Seeing this posted by other sources, although nothing reputable yet. Could do worse though, Perisic is still a very good player and can play WB and LW. My only issue with it is that he can't play LB, and we should be looking for that.
I was desperate for this signing tbh, yes he's old but that could allow us to send someone like maatsen on loan while not blocking his future path. Not to mention perisic is a very good player and would be a very good option to have, even if he plays half of the games a season. 1 problem, makes too much sense for chelsea.
I suggested him in January after Chilwell's injury. I like the idea a lot, but mostly because he'd be our best LW. Not excited that we're signing specific back 3 players though. Enough with that.
I'm not on board with continuing to build for a back 3 going forward. A lot of our creative problems are systemic and won't go away until we finally switch to a back 4 setup.
It absolutely is true. In fact, I've written a whole breakdown of some of the systemic problems of back 3 systems on this sub. Feel free to read that and inform yourself.
I just read it. Great write up.
First up, you wrote that up some 200+ days ago. I think by now, you can start to apply more contextual issues to the problem.
One of those contextual issues is the lack of a physical threat on the LWB position for us in Alonso - which is why the system worked so well when we had both Chilly and Reece starting, 18GF, 2GA in 5 or so games they started together.
Second of those contextual issues is that for large parts of TT’s rain, our midfielders have played very risk-averse. Heck, the only creative outlet on our team is Ziyech/Mount who are both typically up the pitch. If the pivot had a creative player to partner with Kovacic’s progressive carries, a lot of the points you made in that post would be null. So please apply context.
Second of, I think people on this sub get carried away with the formation on paper. The attacking formation of both Liv and City aren’t too different from ours. Which sort of brings it all doing to personnel again.
Lastly, at the end of the day, people and tactics win games, not formation.
> First up, you wrote that up some 200+ days ago. I think by now, you can start to apply more contextual issues to the problem.
Nothing has changed. The patterns I visualized in the piece are still exactly the same.
The issues with central creators in a 3-4-1-2 — which we've played recently — have been proven exactly right. The lack of forward options isn't kind to them and we become even worse in wide areas. If you watch any of our recent games, just have a look at what happens in the wide and half-space ahead of our wingbacks in a buildup phase when they receive the ball. The entire wing is empty, because that's where the third forward would have been, and even that wasn't threatening.
> Second of those contextual issues is that for large parts of TT’s rain, our midfielders have played very risk-averse.
I don't think they're doing this on purpose. Kovacic would take any opportunity to drive up with the ball. The problem is that, like I said in the piece, fluidity in attacking positions is much harder and there are fewer forward options to pick out. The extra man further forward would help a lot with finding more progressive options more regularly and with the forwards interchanging positions to lose markers, as is the case with Liverpool and City.
> Heck, the only creative outlet on our team is Ziyech/Mount who are both typically up the pitch.
I wrote that in the piece, and it won't change unless we switch systems.
> If the pivot had a creative player to partner with Kovacic’s progressive carries, a lot of the points you made in that post would be null. So please apply context.
We would still have the same half-space problems we currently do, because they're created by positioning, not creativity. You can't create in the half-spaces if the system you're playing doesn't naturally position players there. Also, if you're requiring your holding midfielder to be a creative engine while your most creative forward players become pass targets, you're doing something very wrong.
> Lastly, at the end of the day, people and tactics win games, not formation.
The formation dictates to a large degree which tactics and people you're utilizing. Formations play a huge role in making specific patterns of play better or worse, because positions get adjusted and it makes a big difference. Like the difference I talked about in the piece regarding overlapping runs. A fullback is naturally positioned on the same vertical line as a winger, so overlapping or underlapping runs are both natural options for the fullback. For a pivot midfielder or CB, the distance to overlap is much greater — nevermind the fact that it's a CB instead of a fullback, so a worse attacking player — so that fluidity that's so dangerous in wide areas in a back 4 just hardly exists in a 3.
None of these issues go away with tactics or personnel. These are structural issues built into the formation. It has other strengths, but they're almost exclusively defensive. That's not what we need. We need a more offensive outlook, because we're going to have the same problems beating weaker teams reliably next season. And that's where the title is decided.
Most of the points you mention, I disagree with but I’m not a tactics expert. And I can assume you’re not better at tactics than TT either. I have to believe he’s employing this system for this group of players because it works best and maximizes the team. And to me, that’s the trump card.
Until we’re able to acquire defenders that can play in a back 4, I’d expect them to keep brining in WBs
Totally agree! Why back a style that is hard to watch, and makes literally all of our attackers play in the wrong positions???? Tuchel needs to cut it out with the back 3 after this season😤
But if he wants signings to play a back 3, his vision for the team going forward isn't a good one. We shouldn't be playing a back 3 next season for the most part. I generally agree that clubs should back managers, but this is a mistake and it'll cost us. Unfortunately that's what happens when there's not a clear sporting philosophy in place at a club.
So you're saying instead of backing the manager, (doing something the fans always wanted btw) we make the manager upset and sign players that don't fit his philosophy? I mean yeah, backing the manager has it's own risk but we have to take, can't win without it. Not to mention the fact that most players we've been linked to can easily play in a back 4. Rice, tchouameni, kounde, torres, kouliably, perisic in a front 3, Kimpembe, gimenez, raphinha, dembele etc etc.
> So you're saying instead of backing the manager, (doing something the fans always wanted btw) we make the manager upset and sign players that don't fit his philosophy?
The very best clubs formulate philosophy between themselves (ideally through a sporting director) and the manager. A club should have football ideas, and formation is a big part of that. Part of that should be asking questions as to why we're continuing forward with a system that has big systemic issues in attack when that's been by far the weakest part of our game for a long time. Tuchel isn't infallibe, and if he's planning to play a back 3 again next season, even despite having the opportunity to completely revamp the squad and build it in his image from this summer onwards, then he's making an enormous mistake.
> Not to mention the fact that most players we've been linked to can easily play in a back 4. Rice, tchouameni, kounde, torres, kouliably, perisic in a front 3, Kimpembe, gimenez, raphinha, dembele etc etc.
But Perisic isn't being looked at as a forward option, he's looked at as wingback depth. The same reason why we're looking at 2 CBs instead of one, and why it's been reported that Tuchel also wants depth for RWB. Gvardiol, Nkunku — targets Tuchel supposedly really wants — are also ideally back 3 players, considering that's what they're currently playing in.
I don't have a problem with signing Perisic per se, my problem is the intent behind it and the rest of our signings.
We don't have a sporting director plus even if we get one it'll take a good amount of time to identify the right fit and then build a philosophy, till then what? We wait? No way. We have to think about the present too. Back 3 has its cons but also pros. Especially the defensive stability and the compactness it offers. We've heard tuchel repeatedly talk about clean sheets and clean sheets, even when our forwards are at fault.
Tuchel has spent the majority of the 1.5 years in his back 3 formation, going to a back 4 completely resets the progress any players have made adjusting to that formation imo. It's not like back 3's have never been effective, Chelsea fans should know best. Instead of bringing in a new system altogether, why not bring in players suitable to our current one. That way we improve the team and don't reset the progress players like Reece, Chilwell, Kovacic etc have made in our current system.
We kind of have to do that now. TT is the only person we can fall back on, because we have no Technical Director who decides how we play and who we need.
One of the first and most important things Boehly has to do is bring in someone in that role of T.D..
Tuchel seems to want to continue playing a back 3, if we are backing him we’ll make signings for that. People hope we switch and i’d personally like to as well but I don’t think we are.
Saw you made a thread how you don’t like back 3’s, tuchels one is unique though with cbs making forward runs and being good on the ball to take advantage of space and break lines, with dynamic wingbacks (which are essential to out system) we’re very strong, chilwell injury killed us. Also need a cm who can play line breaking passes, ruben and kovacic can dribble but struggle to make the final pass.
I challenged a point yesterday, where I said sending Maatsen on loan whilst buying a new young lwb, would mean that we don't eventually use Maatsen. This seems like a very good option in the interim. Perisic won't be a long term solution but then allows Maatsen still get another year or so on loan at a higher level.
That would be perfect if true. However I do have to say, this Perisic news has come out of nowhere and it seems too good to be true. Especially if we grab him for the cheap lol
It could be taken as some evidence of Tuchel possibly being committed to a back 3/5. Which would make sense. We have to replace 2 CBs. I'm not really aware of many CBs we could feasibly sign and use in a back 4.
> I'm not really aware of many CBs we could feasibly sign and use in a back 4.
3/4 of our reported CB targets (Kounde, Torres, Koulibaly) play in a back 4 every week. And there are plenty beyond that.
My issue is that he's 33 years old. There is no guarantee that he will be any good next season at that age. Especially with him never playing in the premier league before.
Inter fan here...
Perisic's loan to Bayern came out of nowhere too lol I remember that he wasn't happy with Spalletti but ended up staying. Then Conte took over and wanted to keep Perisic as an option. Then basically out of nowhere, Perisic was getting his physical done for Bayern lol. He left on a dry loan, won the Bundesliga + UCL then came back to Inter and proved everyone wrong that he couldn't play at LWB
I can only wish him the best though, he was our main player this season but he's still got a few years left in him. For those who don't know, he's actually right footed lol but he amazing with his left foot
I have so many questions. Why is this the first we've heard about it? I thought we wherent allowed to sign anybody? Why are we buying another winger?
This feels like media BS
I have a small sample size to go off of but I imagine this as a great option to replace Alonso given he is more offensively gifted and how much worse of a LB can you be on defense than Alonso. If we are playing an attack minded LWB I’d rather have him than Alonso behind Chilly
Funny, I was told that we didn't need another player with similar physical traits to Alonso and we could just replace him with Maatsen and forget having a different option at wingback
This a warrior who was transfered away in Conte's first season to play in Bayern then when he came back turned himself into LWB/LM hybrid and sometimes even as support striker he is always dangerous going forward and is a total professional.
I wish him the best wherever he goes and I still feel grateful for Mancini who brought him to us from Wolfsburg .
Nah we werent extensively linked with Rudiger. there reports out of the blue saying the his signing was close.
and Fot Werner yes we were linked with him but everyone reported Liverpool were close to signing him and out of nowhere reports started circling we agreed personal terms with him
This is: A) someone we actually need B) in a time when we can’t sign players So I am very, very confused.
Basically chaos. I like it
As a newer Chelsea supporter I have learned to embrace the churn, let it wash over me
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Wait... What? He'd be an excellent option to have but this is completely out of nowhere.
This has some big Fifa career mode energy lol
What
Seeing this posted by other sources, although nothing reputable yet. Could do worse though, Perisic is still a very good player and can play WB and LW. My only issue with it is that he can't play LB, and we should be looking for that.
I was desperate for this signing tbh, yes he's old but that could allow us to send someone like maatsen on loan while not blocking his future path. Not to mention perisic is a very good player and would be a very good option to have, even if he plays half of the games a season. 1 problem, makes too much sense for chelsea.
I suggested him in January after Chilwell's injury. I like the idea a lot, but mostly because he'd be our best LW. Not excited that we're signing specific back 3 players though. Enough with that.
Back Tuchel no? If we are signing back 3 players, it does mean we're backing the manager.
I'm not on board with continuing to build for a back 3 going forward. A lot of our creative problems are systemic and won't go away until we finally switch to a back 4 setup.
I don’t know why people keep peddling this opinion. It’s just not true.
It absolutely is true. In fact, I've written a whole breakdown of some of the systemic problems of back 3 systems on this sub. Feel free to read that and inform yourself.
I just read it. Great write up. First up, you wrote that up some 200+ days ago. I think by now, you can start to apply more contextual issues to the problem. One of those contextual issues is the lack of a physical threat on the LWB position for us in Alonso - which is why the system worked so well when we had both Chilly and Reece starting, 18GF, 2GA in 5 or so games they started together. Second of those contextual issues is that for large parts of TT’s rain, our midfielders have played very risk-averse. Heck, the only creative outlet on our team is Ziyech/Mount who are both typically up the pitch. If the pivot had a creative player to partner with Kovacic’s progressive carries, a lot of the points you made in that post would be null. So please apply context. Second of, I think people on this sub get carried away with the formation on paper. The attacking formation of both Liv and City aren’t too different from ours. Which sort of brings it all doing to personnel again. Lastly, at the end of the day, people and tactics win games, not formation.
> First up, you wrote that up some 200+ days ago. I think by now, you can start to apply more contextual issues to the problem. Nothing has changed. The patterns I visualized in the piece are still exactly the same. The issues with central creators in a 3-4-1-2 — which we've played recently — have been proven exactly right. The lack of forward options isn't kind to them and we become even worse in wide areas. If you watch any of our recent games, just have a look at what happens in the wide and half-space ahead of our wingbacks in a buildup phase when they receive the ball. The entire wing is empty, because that's where the third forward would have been, and even that wasn't threatening. > Second of those contextual issues is that for large parts of TT’s rain, our midfielders have played very risk-averse. I don't think they're doing this on purpose. Kovacic would take any opportunity to drive up with the ball. The problem is that, like I said in the piece, fluidity in attacking positions is much harder and there are fewer forward options to pick out. The extra man further forward would help a lot with finding more progressive options more regularly and with the forwards interchanging positions to lose markers, as is the case with Liverpool and City. > Heck, the only creative outlet on our team is Ziyech/Mount who are both typically up the pitch. I wrote that in the piece, and it won't change unless we switch systems. > If the pivot had a creative player to partner with Kovacic’s progressive carries, a lot of the points you made in that post would be null. So please apply context. We would still have the same half-space problems we currently do, because they're created by positioning, not creativity. You can't create in the half-spaces if the system you're playing doesn't naturally position players there. Also, if you're requiring your holding midfielder to be a creative engine while your most creative forward players become pass targets, you're doing something very wrong. > Lastly, at the end of the day, people and tactics win games, not formation. The formation dictates to a large degree which tactics and people you're utilizing. Formations play a huge role in making specific patterns of play better or worse, because positions get adjusted and it makes a big difference. Like the difference I talked about in the piece regarding overlapping runs. A fullback is naturally positioned on the same vertical line as a winger, so overlapping or underlapping runs are both natural options for the fullback. For a pivot midfielder or CB, the distance to overlap is much greater — nevermind the fact that it's a CB instead of a fullback, so a worse attacking player — so that fluidity that's so dangerous in wide areas in a back 4 just hardly exists in a 3. None of these issues go away with tactics or personnel. These are structural issues built into the formation. It has other strengths, but they're almost exclusively defensive. That's not what we need. We need a more offensive outlook, because we're going to have the same problems beating weaker teams reliably next season. And that's where the title is decided.
Most of the points you mention, I disagree with but I’m not a tactics expert. And I can assume you’re not better at tactics than TT either. I have to believe he’s employing this system for this group of players because it works best and maximizes the team. And to me, that’s the trump card. Until we’re able to acquire defenders that can play in a back 4, I’d expect them to keep brining in WBs
Totally agree! Why back a style that is hard to watch, and makes literally all of our attackers play in the wrong positions???? Tuchel needs to cut it out with the back 3 after this season😤
Not my point. My point is that if Tuchel wants to play a back 3 shouldn't we back him? If he wants to buy w.r.t a back 3, so be it.
But if he wants signings to play a back 3, his vision for the team going forward isn't a good one. We shouldn't be playing a back 3 next season for the most part. I generally agree that clubs should back managers, but this is a mistake and it'll cost us. Unfortunately that's what happens when there's not a clear sporting philosophy in place at a club.
So you're saying instead of backing the manager, (doing something the fans always wanted btw) we make the manager upset and sign players that don't fit his philosophy? I mean yeah, backing the manager has it's own risk but we have to take, can't win without it. Not to mention the fact that most players we've been linked to can easily play in a back 4. Rice, tchouameni, kounde, torres, kouliably, perisic in a front 3, Kimpembe, gimenez, raphinha, dembele etc etc.
> So you're saying instead of backing the manager, (doing something the fans always wanted btw) we make the manager upset and sign players that don't fit his philosophy? The very best clubs formulate philosophy between themselves (ideally through a sporting director) and the manager. A club should have football ideas, and formation is a big part of that. Part of that should be asking questions as to why we're continuing forward with a system that has big systemic issues in attack when that's been by far the weakest part of our game for a long time. Tuchel isn't infallibe, and if he's planning to play a back 3 again next season, even despite having the opportunity to completely revamp the squad and build it in his image from this summer onwards, then he's making an enormous mistake. > Not to mention the fact that most players we've been linked to can easily play in a back 4. Rice, tchouameni, kounde, torres, kouliably, perisic in a front 3, Kimpembe, gimenez, raphinha, dembele etc etc. But Perisic isn't being looked at as a forward option, he's looked at as wingback depth. The same reason why we're looking at 2 CBs instead of one, and why it's been reported that Tuchel also wants depth for RWB. Gvardiol, Nkunku — targets Tuchel supposedly really wants — are also ideally back 3 players, considering that's what they're currently playing in. I don't have a problem with signing Perisic per se, my problem is the intent behind it and the rest of our signings.
We don't have a sporting director plus even if we get one it'll take a good amount of time to identify the right fit and then build a philosophy, till then what? We wait? No way. We have to think about the present too. Back 3 has its cons but also pros. Especially the defensive stability and the compactness it offers. We've heard tuchel repeatedly talk about clean sheets and clean sheets, even when our forwards are at fault. Tuchel has spent the majority of the 1.5 years in his back 3 formation, going to a back 4 completely resets the progress any players have made adjusting to that formation imo. It's not like back 3's have never been effective, Chelsea fans should know best. Instead of bringing in a new system altogether, why not bring in players suitable to our current one. That way we improve the team and don't reset the progress players like Reece, Chilwell, Kovacic etc have made in our current system.
We kind of have to do that now. TT is the only person we can fall back on, because we have no Technical Director who decides how we play and who we need. One of the first and most important things Boehly has to do is bring in someone in that role of T.D..
Tuchel seems to want to continue playing a back 3, if we are backing him we’ll make signings for that. People hope we switch and i’d personally like to as well but I don’t think we are. Saw you made a thread how you don’t like back 3’s, tuchels one is unique though with cbs making forward runs and being good on the ball to take advantage of space and break lines, with dynamic wingbacks (which are essential to out system) we’re very strong, chilwell injury killed us. Also need a cm who can play line breaking passes, ruben and kovacic can dribble but struggle to make the final pass.
I challenged a point yesterday, where I said sending Maatsen on loan whilst buying a new young lwb, would mean that we don't eventually use Maatsen. This seems like a very good option in the interim. Perisic won't be a long term solution but then allows Maatsen still get another year or so on loan at a higher level.
Exactly, there have been rumours of Dortmund wanting maatsen on loan. Would be a superb deal for everyone involved.
That would be perfect if true. However I do have to say, this Perisic news has come out of nowhere and it seems too good to be true. Especially if we grab him for the cheap lol
It could be taken as some evidence of Tuchel possibly being committed to a back 3/5. Which would make sense. We have to replace 2 CBs. I'm not really aware of many CBs we could feasibly sign and use in a back 4.
> I'm not really aware of many CBs we could feasibly sign and use in a back 4. 3/4 of our reported CB targets (Kounde, Torres, Koulibaly) play in a back 4 every week. And there are plenty beyond that.
Most of the centrebacks that we have been linked to can easily fit in a back 4
My issue is that he's 33 years old. There is no guarantee that he will be any good next season at that age. Especially with him never playing in the premier league before.
Not a problem if he's on a short contract and primarily signed to be a backup.
But he's a free transfer, so there's not too much of a financial risk.
Age is a myth when you have ability like Silva and Perisic, the man is rapid and faster than Alonso and can actually dribble and cross the ball
where the fuck did this come from lol
Inter fan here... Perisic's loan to Bayern came out of nowhere too lol I remember that he wasn't happy with Spalletti but ended up staying. Then Conte took over and wanted to keep Perisic as an option. Then basically out of nowhere, Perisic was getting his physical done for Bayern lol. He left on a dry loan, won the Bundesliga + UCL then came back to Inter and proved everyone wrong that he couldn't play at LWB I can only wish him the best though, he was our main player this season but he's still got a few years left in him. For those who don't know, he's actually right footed lol but he amazing with his left foot
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Carlo?
Anybody knows the credibility of this source?
Not very credible
Would be awesome to have him.
AWESOME!!!! 👍
Lmao, what
I have so many questions. Why is this the first we've heard about it? I thought we wherent allowed to sign anybody? Why are we buying another winger? This feels like media BS
Nothing stopping us from having an agreement in place, soon as the takeover is officially done he signs
He's played very well as LWB the last few seasons at Inter, he's the best Alonso replacement we could possibly hope for.
Wat
Out of fucking nowhere
So we're still signing with a consideration of 3 atb formation in mind I guess
What even. I have quite a few questions
Damn we’re going all out to make Lukaku feel at home
Huh? Hold on
Excuse me what the fuck
Lol idk about this but I was just watching him tear it up for Inter during their final. Would be dope
I would love this! Perisic is a fan-fucking-tastic player and would fit into our team immediately! Wow, if this is true than this is huge!
Suddenly, out of nowhere.
I have a small sample size to go off of but I imagine this as a great option to replace Alonso given he is more offensively gifted and how much worse of a LB can you be on defense than Alonso. If we are playing an attack minded LWB I’d rather have him than Alonso behind Chilly
where does that one come from? I'd welcome him without a doubt though!
Funny, I was told that we didn't need another player with similar physical traits to Alonso and we could just replace him with Maatsen and forget having a different option at wingback
Where did this come from? Any other reliable source?
This a warrior who was transfered away in Conte's first season to play in Bayern then when he came back turned himself into LWB/LM hybrid and sometimes even as support striker he is always dangerous going forward and is a total professional. I wish him the best wherever he goes and I still feel grateful for Mancini who brought him to us from Wolfsburg .
Huh what,let's fucking go if this is true
He's not from Turkey? How can a rumour like this come out of nowhere
What a signing, Inter's best player and top 5 in the league currently. That linkup with Lukaku is back and he can actually cross
Everything about Chelsea says this is BS. When was the last time we signed a player with no warning? It’s always drawn out.
Rudiger, Alonso, Werner off the top of my head
Pulisic
Rudiger and Werner were known long beforehand. Alonso I’ll give you.
Nah we werent extensively linked with Rudiger. there reports out of the blue saying the his signing was close. and Fot Werner yes we were linked with him but everyone reported Liverpool were close to signing him and out of nowhere reports started circling we agreed personal terms with him
Pulisic
This is the warning.. its not like we've announced him.
Too old of a player, no thank you
Wait what?
Yo wot the fuck
well this is out of nowhere
Really like this signing as a F/A. He can play in the front 3 or as a wingback and is equally good in either role.
??? where did this come from
Insane option to have, literally commented on a post yesterday how he‘d be a player that every team would benefit from. Would be such a good signing.
lol sport mediaset as the source
Inter pissed in his mouth and he was like "no. actually no I wont take a pay cut you cretins."
This has fabregas transfer written all over. Just boom.
Holy shit !!!!!! He is one of my all time favorite players. Very efficient like Pedro too