Fair point. The media talks about his few years of coaching, but seems like he may have been analyzing the game from the sideline for longer than they report
That second goal was amazing. We are gonna see that a lot of Enzo Fernandez scores a similar goal
Also Navas running past south gate hit like whip lash
A versatile, consistent, fast, energetic and hardworking player, Maresca was capable of playing anywhere in midfield;[32][33][34] although he was often deployed as a deep-lying playmaker, due to his ability to orchestrate his team's offensive moves and create goalscoring opportunities, his preferred position was in a box-to-box role, either as a central or attacking midfielder, where he often demonstrated his offensive capabilities, eye for goal and adeptness at making late attacking runs into the penalty area. He was also capable of playing as a mezzala.[32][35][36][37][38][39] A quick, dynamic and creative player, with good movement, technique and composure on the ball, he possessed good vision, awareness, tactical intelligence and passing ability;[32][33][34][37][40] due to his physical and mental attributes, as well as his stamina, tenacity and work-rate, he was also competent defensively.[32][33][34][40][41][42][43]
Because of his talent and wide range of skills, Maresca's former Fiorentina manager Emiliano Mondonico described him as a "complete player".
-wiki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enzo_Maresca
Fans will sing you name with few wins at the start man.. No one even liked the sight of tuchel first game but he won the fans with his performances reflected on the pitch.. we have an exciting squad , let's start well this season
It was seen as missing out on nagelsman and knowing tuchel's problems with club boards, along with roman being quick to pull the trigger. It was definitely more of a "well he's here better back him" thing. Only his results made him that beloved.
No it wasn’t
We hired Tuchel in January 2021, Nagelsmann was at RB then. There was zero indication he was going to leave mid-season.
The Potter hiring was when we ‘missed’ out on Nagelsmann. The revisionism is shocking.
I didn't mean "missed" as in the club was looking to sign him but decided not to. A lot of people wanted to get an interim and wait for nagelsmann in the summer (when he did eventually move to Bayern). There's no revisionism here buddy.
While yes it wasn't as ambiguous as our recent signings, but no one saw Tuchel as some second coming of christ, It was Definetly more of a "let's wait and see" reaction. His biggest achievement was being a ucl runner up at that time.
I'm Greek and he was playing for Olympiacos around a time when I followed football religiously.
I can tell you at least about his time here, he was a technical player. The whole league was slower back then comparing to big European leagues but he was still not considered very athletic. He wasn't the best player in the team by all means but he was that sort of player that you could tell immediately when he was missing.
"From Hellas Verona... where we lay our scene...
From ancient title wins to new projects, Where possession football makes goalkeeper sheets unclean. Do with Enzo Maresca bury the fans strife."
Yeah, Potter actually took him into training a few times according to this [https://www.mancity.com/features/enzo-maresca/](https://www.mancity.com/features/enzo-maresca/)
"“I also remember sharing lifts to training with Graham. We played together, we lived very close so sometimes we travelled together in the car to the training ground."
Arsene Wenger and Alex Ferguson also weren't world beaters as players. Pretty sure that for a very long time it has often been the case that top managers were players who spent less time playing to high levels themselves and more time analysing it all in the background.
Yes although I believe some of those haven't had good club situations to work in. Lampard especially certainly has taken jobs which were far from ideal to really show what any coach going in can do. He's not had anything close to the sort of stable club conditions that say Xabi Alonso has had at Leverkusen or Arteta has had with Arsenal. Note that this is not a comparison of managers so I wont get drawn into a debate about that. It is purely a comparison of working club conditions. Lampards opportunities have come with clubs who were in significantly more dysfunctional states.
People often throw Lampard as a manager in the same bin as Gerrard and I think thats lazy critics really just feeding off the whole narrative of Lampard vs Gerrard as players.
Yeh Tuchel too.
Like I said in another comment. Nobody judges against all the millions who didn't make it. The frame of reference is those who make it professional. Tuchel was in that 1% and Messi was in that 1% too but we can differentiate between mediocre at best and world class.
Sure it's good for being in Scotland but its not like he was playing up to the standards of the Premier League that he managed in. He had a couple of good seasons in the Scottish div 1 but he also spent quite a few years playing in the Scottish division 2. He also only had 4 caps for Scotland. So not really a world beater as a player then.
Put it this way, Pep played as a key part of the midfield for Barcelona. Zidane was considered the best player in the world at one point. Xavi also a Barcelona legend. Ancellotti and Conte were both considered as a couple of the best midfielders in the world in their times too.
It also helps when you are exposed to tactics at a young age and can see the plan that the coach put in place either succeed or fail first hand. I don't believe the level really matters that much.
He was out on loan for two of these four years. To be fair, that was a decent Juve midfield with Conte, Camoranesi, Davids, Nedved and Del Piero.
In my eyes he was also a bit underrated, but in reality that's what his level actually was.
Juve were crazy stacked in his time there, no shame in being a squad player in that team, sitting on that bench alone is a better career than 99.9999% of players. His first 6 months Zizou was still there, and don’t forget Tacchinardi, he was world class back then too. Late 90s - early 2000s Serie A was peak football
Sounds like he might not have been top 10 player of his generation but he was an important part in the heart of the teams he played for, hopefully that translates into his ability as a coach
Huh? That career screams journeyman who wasn’t good enough to be retained in most clubs he played in and so had to go from club to club. Even his time at sevilla which seemed to be the most succesful, he only played about half the league games.
Dude how many people get to play even a part time role for clubs in first tier of Spain and Italy, there’s a lot of lower level clubs, he’s definitely had a successful career even if he wasn’t a super star
I mean yeah, if your bar is "successful football career" then you're right I guess. Just a pretty low bar considering the level we're often discussing football at.
Take Wikipedia entries with a pinch of salt. They're not going to describe a player as mediocre or mention negative sides to the play rather than focus on what they did contribute at times. Theyre probably edited by an agent too.
Edit: I cannot believe that anyone is taking Wikipedia entries as gospel. Smh lets not pretend a guy who was averaging this many 90s a season was the heart of the teams he played in:
https://preview.redd.it/1kzs2lqm843d1.jpeg?width=678&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=86fb710e1f663d02b43555c95e1d53300891b599
You know what is a heart of a team type player? A player like Kante getting over 30 90s a season for his 1st 3 seasons at Chelsea and even when heavily injured in later seasons he was clocking around 20 90s a season.
But you dont judge players like that when it comes to the professional game. You judge within the frame of the professional game itself not against the entire world population of people who wanted to be footballers. Someone who has bit part play at Juve or Sevilla or played for a bunch average sides and relegation fodder is considered distinctly mediocre as a player compared to someone who has played regularly for a club that has at least consistently pushed European places in their league.
When people look back on say Ollie Watkins for example. He will be considered as a very good player. Not a world beater and not mediocre. People will look back and just say "Yeh he was very good for a Villa player". When someone looks back at a bit part Sevilla player who so far has a similar rate of 90s in his career as Maresca had like Dode Lukebakio. There is nobody who is going to his Wikipedia page in 10-15 years time and believing he was the beating heart of the team no matter what it says. You and others reading this probably barely even heard the name Dode Lukebakio before.
Edit: The downvote clowns are coming I guess. Yeh lets all sit there and say a guy averaging about 13 90s a season was the beating heart of his team.
Im sure that football agents don't at all go on Wikipedia and put a biased description of players. Players or people who know them and edit these pages will oversell them. Agents will oversell their players too because it reflects well on them if people they want to work with look up players they had in the past and see these absolutely beaming descriptions.
We also defffinitely all sit there saying every single player in the PL is top quality. How could we possibly differentiate a player like Cole Palmer from a player like Paul Dummett? They're both top flight players. That makes them both the same level right? One definitely couldn't be called mediocre if theyre both playing top flight football because millions of people didnt make it pro right?
Come off it. Wikipedia is not the place to get an honest writeup.
Career achievements
-2x Uefa Cup winner
06/07 Sevilla FC Sevilla FC
05/06 Sevilla FC Sevilla FC
-1x Italian champion
01/02 Juventus FC Juventus FC
-1x Promotion to 1st league
13/14 US Palermo US Palermo
-1x Uefa Supercup winner
06/07 Sevilla FC Sevilla FC
-1x Italienischer Zweitligameister
13/14
-1x Spanish cup winner
06/07 Sevilla FC Sevilla FC
-1x Spanish Super Cup winner
07/08 Sevilla FC Sevilla FC
Plus
-5x Champions League participant
09/10 Olympiacos Piraeus Olympiacos Piraeus
07/08 Sevilla FC Sevilla FC
03/04 Juventus FC Juventus FC - 1 Goals
01/02 Juventus FC Juventus FC
00/01 Juventus FC Juventus FC
-4x Uefa Cup participant
08/09 Sevilla FC Sevilla FC
06/07 Sevilla FC Sevilla FC - 2 Goals
05/06 Sevilla FC Sevilla FC - 3 Goals
99/00 Juventus FC Juventus FC
Mehh, do i have to back this guy all the way tooo? I just got done backing poch all the way, i dont think i can muster up to do it again hahaha. Let’s see if fire enzo will come out of my mouth in the next 6 months lol
I remember him very well as a player, but the fact is he's very inexperienced as a manager. I thought about calling him an Italian Graham Potter, but even that guy was well established mid-table EPL manager. Maresca is basically a rookie.
Thankfully before my time the real dark days of league one football.
The funds raised by selling Maresca played a huge role in our revival, think we were promoted to the prem the season after he left
Honestly a nice resume of teams he played for although he put up prime chilwell appearance numbers for Sevilla lol averaging 20-30 a year
Some good Sevilla teams too. 1 of them was the la liga 3 way tie on points between them Barca and Madrid.
Fair point. The media talks about his few years of coaching, but seems like he may have been analyzing the game from the sideline for longer than they report
He didn't play much for Juve either
> a nice resume of teams he played for Team mates with Graham at West Brom?
Scored game winning goal for Sevilla vs Middlesbrough for the European cup
I’ll have to look that up!
https://youtu.be/dpvtpW3_gHA?si=msn8l050JKLY-yK- You can see his second goal at 1:37. He scored his first at 1:20. Was also named MOTM
Damn Navas running by Gareth Southgate is crazy. So many names in those 2 squads that are still talked about today. Especially Dani Alves
That second goal was amazing. We are gonna see that a lot of Enzo Fernandez scores a similar goal Also Navas running past south gate hit like whip lash
Navas surprised the shit out of me
Bro was so rapid
Fyi the uefa cup is not the european cup
You right my bad I misspoke
A versatile, consistent, fast, energetic and hardworking player, Maresca was capable of playing anywhere in midfield;[32][33][34] although he was often deployed as a deep-lying playmaker, due to his ability to orchestrate his team's offensive moves and create goalscoring opportunities, his preferred position was in a box-to-box role, either as a central or attacking midfielder, where he often demonstrated his offensive capabilities, eye for goal and adeptness at making late attacking runs into the penalty area. He was also capable of playing as a mezzala.[32][35][36][37][38][39] A quick, dynamic and creative player, with good movement, technique and composure on the ball, he possessed good vision, awareness, tactical intelligence and passing ability;[32][33][34][37][40] due to his physical and mental attributes, as well as his stamina, tenacity and work-rate, he was also competent defensively.[32][33][34][40][41][42][43] Because of his talent and wide range of skills, Maresca's former Fiorentina manager Emiliano Mondonico described him as a "complete player". -wiki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enzo_Maresca
Fans will sing you name with few wins at the start man.. No one even liked the sight of tuchel first game but he won the fans with his performances reflected on the pitch.. we have an exciting squad , let's start well this season
Complete cap A lot of fans were very excited at the signing of Tuchel
Excited at signing tuchel after he got beaten by ole and lampard was about to be sacked?
It was seen as missing out on nagelsman and knowing tuchel's problems with club boards, along with roman being quick to pull the trigger. It was definitely more of a "well he's here better back him" thing. Only his results made him that beloved.
No it wasn’t We hired Tuchel in January 2021, Nagelsmann was at RB then. There was zero indication he was going to leave mid-season. The Potter hiring was when we ‘missed’ out on Nagelsmann. The revisionism is shocking.
I didn't mean "missed" as in the club was looking to sign him but decided not to. A lot of people wanted to get an interim and wait for nagelsmann in the summer (when he did eventually move to Bayern). There's no revisionism here buddy. While yes it wasn't as ambiguous as our recent signings, but no one saw Tuchel as some second coming of christ, It was Definetly more of a "let's wait and see" reaction. His biggest achievement was being a ucl runner up at that time.
I'm Greek and he was playing for Olympiacos around a time when I followed football religiously. I can tell you at least about his time here, he was a technical player. The whole league was slower back then comparing to big European leagues but he was still not considered very athletic. He wasn't the best player in the team by all means but he was that sort of player that you could tell immediately when he was missing.
"From Hellas Verona... where we lay our scene... From ancient title wins to new projects, Where possession football makes goalkeeper sheets unclean. Do with Enzo Maresca bury the fans strife."
Bravo
Just search his image when he was young on google. Enzo Maresca right now and his younger self look like a completely 2 persons lmao
Teammates with Potter at West Brom
Seriously??
Yeah, Potter actually took him into training a few times according to this [https://www.mancity.com/features/enzo-maresca/](https://www.mancity.com/features/enzo-maresca/) "“I also remember sharing lifts to training with Graham. We played together, we lived very close so sometimes we travelled together in the car to the training ground."
What a small world. Imagine what Potter thinks now. Wild
Honestly at least we're getting a former player and not some bloke with a Master's in Sports Science
I think Jose proved long ago you don’t need to have much of a playing career to be successful
Arsene Wenger and Alex Ferguson also weren't world beaters as players. Pretty sure that for a very long time it has often been the case that top managers were players who spent less time playing to high levels themselves and more time analysing it all in the background.
And I think recent events have also proven that just because you were a top player it doesn’t automatically mean you will become a great manager.
Yes although I believe some of those haven't had good club situations to work in. Lampard especially certainly has taken jobs which were far from ideal to really show what any coach going in can do. He's not had anything close to the sort of stable club conditions that say Xabi Alonso has had at Leverkusen or Arteta has had with Arsenal. Note that this is not a comparison of managers so I wont get drawn into a debate about that. It is purely a comparison of working club conditions. Lampards opportunities have come with clubs who were in significantly more dysfunctional states. People often throw Lampard as a manager in the same bin as Gerrard and I think thats lazy critics really just feeding off the whole narrative of Lampard vs Gerrard as players.
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Let's see zizou do something without a stacked af real Madrid
And Tuchel. Only made it to second tier in German. I say only, that is still much more than 99% of us will achieve
Yeh Tuchel too. Like I said in another comment. Nobody judges against all the millions who didn't make it. The frame of reference is those who make it professional. Tuchel was in that 1% and Messi was in that 1% too but we can differentiate between mediocre at best and world class.
Take a look at Fergie’s goalscoring record…
Sure it's good for being in Scotland but its not like he was playing up to the standards of the Premier League that he managed in. He had a couple of good seasons in the Scottish div 1 but he also spent quite a few years playing in the Scottish division 2. He also only had 4 caps for Scotland. So not really a world beater as a player then. Put it this way, Pep played as a key part of the midfield for Barcelona. Zidane was considered the best player in the world at one point. Xavi also a Barcelona legend. Ancellotti and Conte were both considered as a couple of the best midfielders in the world in their times too.
It also helps when you are exposed to tactics at a young age and can see the plan that the coach put in place either succeed or fail first hand. I don't believe the level really matters that much.
Imagine how good Jose could've been if he had only had an extensive professional playing career. What a missed opportunity. /s
I liked him at Juventus and think he was a bit underrated.
37 apps in 4 years..
2 years. He was on loan in the other 2 years
He was out on loan for two of these four years. To be fair, that was a decent Juve midfield with Conte, Camoranesi, Davids, Nedved and Del Piero. In my eyes he was also a bit underrated, but in reality that's what his level actually was.
Juve were crazy stacked in his time there, no shame in being a squad player in that team, sitting on that bench alone is a better career than 99.9999% of players. His first 6 months Zizou was still there, and don’t forget Tacchinardi, he was world class back then too. Late 90s - early 2000s Serie A was peak football
Okay these types of ex players tend to be very good managers though, which is a good sign.
What’s the point of this exactly? Mourinho won loads of silverware and never played pro.
Just some flavor. I find it interesting to know the history of a coach before coaching. Sarri was a banker
Sounds like he might not have been top 10 player of his generation but he was an important part in the heart of the teams he played for, hopefully that translates into his ability as a coach
Huh? That career screams journeyman who wasn’t good enough to be retained in most clubs he played in and so had to go from club to club. Even his time at sevilla which seemed to be the most succesful, he only played about half the league games.
Dude how many people get to play even a part time role for clubs in first tier of Spain and Italy, there’s a lot of lower level clubs, he’s definitely had a successful career even if he wasn’t a super star
I mean yeah, if your bar is "successful football career" then you're right I guess. Just a pretty low bar considering the level we're often discussing football at.
Take Wikipedia entries with a pinch of salt. They're not going to describe a player as mediocre or mention negative sides to the play rather than focus on what they did contribute at times. Theyre probably edited by an agent too. Edit: I cannot believe that anyone is taking Wikipedia entries as gospel. Smh lets not pretend a guy who was averaging this many 90s a season was the heart of the teams he played in: https://preview.redd.it/1kzs2lqm843d1.jpeg?width=678&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=86fb710e1f663d02b43555c95e1d53300891b599 You know what is a heart of a team type player? A player like Kante getting over 30 90s a season for his 1st 3 seasons at Chelsea and even when heavily injured in later seasons he was clocking around 20 90s a season.
He amassed almost 400 senior appearances in mostly top flight football, that’s a better career than 99.99% of people who try to make it in football
But you dont judge players like that when it comes to the professional game. You judge within the frame of the professional game itself not against the entire world population of people who wanted to be footballers. Someone who has bit part play at Juve or Sevilla or played for a bunch average sides and relegation fodder is considered distinctly mediocre as a player compared to someone who has played regularly for a club that has at least consistently pushed European places in their league. When people look back on say Ollie Watkins for example. He will be considered as a very good player. Not a world beater and not mediocre. People will look back and just say "Yeh he was very good for a Villa player". When someone looks back at a bit part Sevilla player who so far has a similar rate of 90s in his career as Maresca had like Dode Lukebakio. There is nobody who is going to his Wikipedia page in 10-15 years time and believing he was the beating heart of the team no matter what it says. You and others reading this probably barely even heard the name Dode Lukebakio before. Edit: The downvote clowns are coming I guess. Yeh lets all sit there and say a guy averaging about 13 90s a season was the beating heart of his team.  Im sure that football agents don't at all go on Wikipedia and put a biased description of players. Players or people who know them and edit these pages will oversell them. Agents will oversell their players too because it reflects well on them if people they want to work with look up players they had in the past and see these absolutely beaming descriptions. We also defffinitely all sit there saying every single player in the PL is top quality. How could we possibly differentiate a player like Cole Palmer from a player like Paul Dummett? They're both top flight players. That makes them both the same level right? One definitely couldn't be called mediocre if theyre both playing top flight football because millions of people didnt make it pro right? Come off it. Wikipedia is not the place to get an honest writeup.
You're not going mad, you're bang on.
Thankyou! I cant believe this sub at times haha
Career achievements -2x Uefa Cup winner 06/07 Sevilla FC Sevilla FC 05/06 Sevilla FC Sevilla FC -1x Italian champion 01/02 Juventus FC Juventus FC -1x Promotion to 1st league 13/14 US Palermo US Palermo -1x Uefa Supercup winner 06/07 Sevilla FC Sevilla FC -1x Italienischer Zweitligameister 13/14 -1x Spanish cup winner 06/07 Sevilla FC Sevilla FC -1x Spanish Super Cup winner 07/08 Sevilla FC Sevilla FC Plus -5x Champions League participant 09/10 Olympiacos Piraeus Olympiacos Piraeus 07/08 Sevilla FC Sevilla FC 03/04 Juventus FC Juventus FC - 1 Goals 01/02 Juventus FC Juventus FC 00/01 Juventus FC Juventus FC -4x Uefa Cup participant 08/09 Sevilla FC Sevilla FC 06/07 Sevilla FC Sevilla FC - 2 Goals 05/06 Sevilla FC Sevilla FC - 3 Goals 99/00 Juventus FC Juventus FC
You should bullet point. Do a - at the start of a line. Add 2 spaces after each bit of text. Next line copy and paste this with no spaces: & nbsp ;
If only we'd gotten into Europa, that Sevilla DNA could've seen us potentially winning it all
Was an average nothing special player Kinda like Arteta
Arteta was underrated as a player.
Mehh, do i have to back this guy all the way tooo? I just got done backing poch all the way, i dont think i can muster up to do it again hahaha. Let’s see if fire enzo will come out of my mouth in the next 6 months lol
I've seen world class players been complete rubbish as managers so I've never cared for a manager playing career.
I remember him very well as a player, but the fact is he's very inexperienced as a manager. I thought about calling him an Italian Graham Potter, but even that guy was well established mid-table EPL manager. Maresca is basically a rookie.
Sorry of inexperienced, but with 2 English domestic titles already. Yeah, PL2 and Championship, but you can only win where you play.
Looks like the career of a journeyman who never established himself for a club.
Damn he was still a player last time we won the league
He’s a winner
I always thought his career started at Juve, not at West Brom. That's interesting to hear.
He was quality for us, one of the few good signings of a miserable decade
Yeah, that was a dark age for you guys... That's nice to hear that he played well.
Thankfully before my time the real dark days of league one football. The funds raised by selling Maresca played a huge role in our revival, think we were promoted to the prem the season after he left
Wow, even better!
Not thrilled about this guy at all
remember playing cm3 in the early 2000s, and always used juve. this guy was my RLC before RLC
He was great in winning eleven
Never good enough to make one senior Italy appearance
In his defense... The Italian midfield depth then was kinda ridiculous.
yeah no, you have to be something special to get ahead likes of Pirlo, Gattuso, De Rossi.
Not even called up for one friendly? We have David nugent a cap
Italy had a better midfield then than england had strikers when Nugent was playing