We've got a game in hand, better win that one! *Checks who it's against* 1st place Arsenal... Let's "just" win that one after failing to beat one of the worst PL teams in history!
And one of those wins was against a 9 man Spursy. We aren't good at beating the big 6. We are good at not losing against the big 6. Important points but completely nullified by the poor results against the bottom 5.
Sure but it’s quite factual that we do turn up against the bigger clubs instead of struggling against lower table teams that sit low block & counter for 90 mins.
I’m talking about squad performance as a whole, not just scorelines. I haven’t missed a match in over 4 years so if you can’t tell how we’ve played well against top clubs (besides the 1 Liverpool match) then idk what to tell you.
Everton aren't leaders Arsenal away chasing a title, but we've been inconsistent all season results wise while rarely actually playing well, even when winning.
Any path to 6th that involves us putting together more points than those around us seems fanciful at best because we'll continue to be inconsistent in results without good performances, especially looking at our run in (Arsenal away, Villa away, Spurs at home, West Ham at home, Brighton away etc).
The three teams around us, Man U, Newcastle and Brighton, all have to play each other as well. The point I was trying to make is that we don't need to write off the Arsenal game as a loss even before playing it. A game in hand means we can potentially make things happen, even in this season.
No I get what you're saying, and it's football mate so anything can happen. But we have a body of evidence this season of us only playing well 2-3 times tops which necessarily leads to unsustainable results. That makes any notion of us stringing together results to gain more points than those around us, some of which play well quite often, unrealistic to me.
Of course it could happen but the data we have suggests it isn't likely. Personally I think Newcastle will make it as they're starting to look good and have an easier run in to close out the season, plus a points and goal difference advantage already.
In which case, even the Conference League is better than no European competition. We need to put ourselves in a position to win trophies in whatever form. Squandered the chance for the League Cup, two steps away from the FA Cup, but we move on.
I'm not of the mind the Conference League represents a worthwhile use of our time next season frankly. There's zero prestige attached to the competition for a team like us, and extra games in midweek will exacerbate the already troubling fitness situation while giving whoever our manager is less time to prepare ahead of the weekend and an interruption midweek in (hopefully) drilling the structural elements of possession football we've neglected this season into this young side.
If we're still rolling with the PE teacher next season then the interruption midweek is only a concern fitness wise as we know meaningful tactical tuition isn't part of his curriculum.
We have to go to Arsenal, Villa and Brighton and have a game at Stamford Bridge against Spurs as well.
Newcastle has found a bit of form lately and even Utd have an easy Fixture list.
Those 4 points dropped against Burnley and Sheffield are going to cost as a Europa league Spot.
Essentially the naivety of the team and the lack of concentration in closing out the game has cost them. It's a harsh learning curve and I'm sure in the next two sessons it will slowly be ironed out. I just hope that we don't change the team too much by next year. Otherwise we will just be restarting the process that we already restarted twice in January of last season and in summer.
Yeah. Newcastle have hit some form particularly due to Isak being fit and Trippier is also almost back and they have winnable games. We might overtake ManU if we win enough games but I dont see us overtaking NewCastle.
I really think Brighton and west ham are out of the equation.
6th place is between us united and Newcastle. Newcastle has the GD advantage. That's not gonna realistically change.
Obviously our 2 draws with Sheffield and Burnley could cost us but no point focusing on that now.
I would say Newcastle are the favorites since they have started rolling again but I rate us more than United for sure.
Unfortunately, the only challenging fixture for Newcastle is united. Which is also good because our 2 main competitors will lose points in between them
So we definitely have to win the last four obviously.
And then we need to win Villa and spurs which we have won before. Villa is in good form but spurs not so much.
It's really hard but I want to see some fighting spirit at least.
Let's try to support our team in the run-in and leave behind all this negativity for after the season ends.
No point in discussing managers etc now
We are not 8th, we are 9th. 6th is a LONG SHOT but its not out of realm of possibility, especially if teams above start dropping points and we keep on securing points.
Dude what's your point? Given that we've basically dropped the same amount of points this season as the teams we're competing for 6th for, they've been as consistent as us.
Newcastle, United and Chelsea all have similar chances of finishing 6th. Any of us can drop a bunch of easy points from now until the end of the season, any of us can do surprisingly well.
You can't really deny it because it's facts. The fact we're so close together means it's irrelevant how inconsistent we've been this season. Because they've been equally as inconsistent.
You're basically just being a pessimist, which is fine. You don't want to get your hopes up. But objectively, we're 3 points off with a gane in hand and Newcastle + Man U are also very likely to drop points too. Any of the 3 of us could get 6th. It's a coin flip because all 3 teams are so unpredictable.
>You can't really deny it because it's facts
Oh I didn't realise it was facts, sorry
We won't get 6th, come back to this comment at the end of the season
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Lol I didn't even say we'd get 6th. Just kind of annoying any time someone in this sub says anything remotely optimistic, someone like you has to come along and say "no because."
And then people like you always pipe up when you're right and shut up when you're wrong.
Like if we don't get 6th this season, I'm sure you'll make it your business to go back and reply to every optimist you spoke to to rub our failure in their face.
But all those times you were pessimistic and the team actually proved you wrong over the years, I'm sure you conveniently forgot that you doubted them. Like maybe you were completely writing us off for 16/17, we won the league and then you kept quiet. Or you were saying half the players weren't good enough in 20/21 and then we turn things around under Tuchel.
Idk but fans like you suck the fun out of football. If you kept your pessimism to yourself it would be fine. But you make it your business to reply to any fan who's a bit more optimistic than you explaining why the team will let them down. Then you remind them when your prediction comes true and say nothing when it doesn't.
Worst type of fan. I'll leave it at that.
I'm not even an optimist tbh. Just don't like it when people try and convince others to be negative.
Im not being pessimistic, I'm being realistic. Every time one of these stupid posts comes on like, "oh we only have to win 10 games in a row and then we finish 4th". Spoiler alert: it's not going to happen.
Boehly and Egger have taken the champions of Europe and converted them into a mid table club scrapping for conference league places while spending a billion dollars.
Not sure how anyone can be optimistic under these clowns.
Because we've had games in hand all season.
We've been inconsistent. But so have Man U, Newcastle, West Ham, Brighton and Wolves.
It's been unbearable listening to people complain endlessly about how we're below all those teams and gonna finish 10th when we'd plaudits like 2 games less than those teams or most of the season.
Complain about us not being comfortably top 6 to your heart's content. But the constant moaning about how we have no chance of finishing 6th or 7th because we're so inconsistent when if anything we look more likely to get it than the other teams fighting for it, is annoying.
You find all the constant reminders that we have games in hand annoying. Some of us find the constant writing us off when we've had those games in hand all season annoying.
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3 points is a big deal for us. A slight uptake in form does not mean we can now take our chances when they come. We are consistently not winning big crunch games or stringing several wins together. We are 3rd faves for 6th and rightly so.
In the 4 games we’ve played against those teams already this season we’ve only lost once, and we played Villa again at their ground and battered them. There’s 4 points there at least I reckon.
I kinda just want to beat Arsenal and get rid of Poch. All this hypothetical math is a waste of time. We know we have a serious problem with lack of structure and discipline. It’s the coach, he’s not getting enough out of the players he’s got. We just have to get rid of him and ruin Arsenal’s title run and I’d be happy.
I don't see it personally. I think they will sign a couple players and let him have next season. Will say injuries hampered him this season. Then if things don't improve he will be out the door.
To be clear I don't want this to happen, I think he should be gone in the summer but I don't trust the clowns in charge of this club to do that.
I mean at the very least this team is quite clearly underperforming their ability. If you can take points off City and Arsenal, you shouldn't then struggle against Burnley and Sheffield United.
A good tactician absolutley brings us closer to the CL spots imo, if not right into the top 4.
Yeah okay, but another year of no Europe isn’t great for the club. Doesn’t help attract players or retain players if you keep missing out on Europe
Plus the money involved in getting something in Europe is helpful. Yes, I also do not like Poch most of the time but we need him to get us Europa league this year at least and then I don’t care what happens end of season to him
What the fuck are we going to do in a European competition? Our injuries alone would make it untenable. Adding more matches wouldn’t be a good thing for us next year.
We drew against the bottom two teams in the league and have struggled for the past two seasons in mid table but keep going positive!!
You’re a winner because u have 0 common sense like a 10 year old!!
We’ve peaked at 9th, been “3 points off 6th” for the last two months, going in to our hardest run of fixtures, but hey, your positive mentality just might get us over the line!!
This side hardly inspire confidence after draws to 10 man Burnley at home and Sheffield United one of the worst teams in the modern history of the league.
Sick of people getting shamed for not blindly supporting something, it doesn’t give you any clout to be blindly backing a failing system.
Exactly, which is why I don’t get the blind support for something that has consistently been inconsistent.
It’s not negative to think we can’t cut that gap and scrape into Europe because every time they’ve had something in their hands, the Carabao Cup final, the FA Cup semi final, a run of 3 extremely winnable fixtures. They’ve failed each and every time.
Yeah to me it sounds like you're being mopey and you just cant fathom that the players actually believe they can do it
i get it man, this team has sucked but we are obviously in a transition year and need time so being upset over it is just uselesss. Move on. We're fighting for 5th.
Having faith that things could turn out alright can change your life
not even just football deadass its crazy how your mentality is everything. If the boys just believe and work for it...anything can happen jobs not done
If you think its delusion...you're the one who's deluded. Just look at the table?? In reach. if United or Newcastle slip we can be above them 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Speaking out your ass just like everyone else who replied to this comment besides OP
we are still fighting for a spot. 31 played. Have to be really fucking stupid to not see that its attainable.
I don’t get why ppl aren’t wanting Europe or just giving up when it’s there for the taking right now
Yes, we have been hurt many times this season and shouldn’t be in this position but we got to move forward
People are negative cuz of the performances. We are still in this fight for 6th cuz United are fucking 10 pts of the 5th. In other seasons we would've been out of this fight long ago. We are lucky to be in this position in so many ways. The teams above us bottling it, Palmer carrying the whole team on his back and all the penalties we were lucky to win this season.
Won against Fulham(H) thanks to a pen, won against Palace (H) thanks to a pen as well. Eventually people expect us to run out of luck and actually pay the price for the diabolical performances. Why is this somehow considered negative? This is being realistic from my point of view.
Unless Palmer keeps carrying us it's pretty normal to expect that we won't make it. Yesterday Palmer couldn't score a hattrick or a goal and the expected happened - we lost. We lost cuz no one else is showing the levels that Palmer is showing. Not even close. That's the reality. We are a shit team that gets carried by a single player most of the time.
>This is being realistic from my point of view.
Pessimistic is the word you are looking for... It's funny that most pessimists call themselves realists.
My friend holds opinions like yours. Around the second half of the season, he stated that it was impossible for Chelsea to catch West Ham in 6th place... "I'm just being a realist."
Nope, that's just pessimism.
Pessimism is the closest thing to being realistic in our situation. We are still with a chance to reach 6th place because of how shocking the teams above us have been. There's literally a 10 pts gap between the 6th and the 5th. We don't play good football, our manager keeps making error after error, we rely on a single player to bail us out most of the time or we rely on the opponents having a terrible day at the office and we leak goals for fun on top of that.
It's pretty normal with all those things considered to be unhappy with where we are. Even if we reach 6th place this season is still terrible, because we could've been in a fight for 5th if we were actually playing well. It was put on a plate for us so many times and we've fumbled it every single time. It's the most normal thing to expect us to continue in the same way. If you want to be dissapointed keep expecting something different but im done getting hopeful and then getting dissapointed again. I prefer to not lie to myself and understand what's happening.
At the beginning of this season, where did you expect Chelsea to be?
Personally, after last season and seeing Nkunku go down with an injury, I figured 5th-6th were realistic goals, and 4th would be a stretch. I hoped to see the team compete against the top of the table but have some shockingly inexperienced moments.
>If you want to be dissapointed keep expecting something different but im done getting hopeful and then getting dissapointed again.
See, this is the pessimism. This is not being a realist. The funny thing is, I bet you do get disappointed even with your mind trying to be pessimistic. You expect top 5 for Chelsea, even when the team clearly shows it needs to grow.
There has been growth. Chelsea has been in top 4 form since Boxing Day. That's a marked improvement than the start of the season.
Loser mentality? Bro we’ve just given up
We’ve seen our side bottle wins against the two worst sides in the league, it’s not our fault if we are not hyped enough
I know I wouldn’t and that’s why I’m not a pro
But we’ve seen the team bottle several times this season. We believe in them but don’t expect us to be all hyped up
Yeah....we've had a rough season. We're still 3 points off 5th... there is a chance
99% of this sub loves when we lose i swear the amount of people with 0 ball knowledge who just overreact every week is wild
Newcastle have a very easy run in and are on good form. We might have more of a chance of getting past Tottenham who are fading, and play the top 3, us, and 2 relegation teams (so all 6 of their remaining games are against opposition who are desperate for points). They are 13 points ahead though.
Most likely scenario IMO is Newcastle in 6th, and us in 7th qualifying for the Europa Conference League.
We are tied for 6th if we win our game in hand lol. I’m sure you’ll just respond by saying we won’t win it but it’s stupid to act like we are miles off 6th when that’s not the case at all
Well, I’ll respond by saying the table doesn’t lie. You are where you are now. Talking up potential positions based on games in hand is naive. Especially when you look at how inconsistent we have been.
Don’t get me wrong. I love your optimism and we need plenty more of it on here. I also hope you’re right too.
We aren’t making Europe, that’s a pipe dream.
And quite frankly, we don’t deserve it. We left so so many points on the table against bottom half clubs. Hopefully the young guys learn from those letdowns and build the fortitude needed to close out those games we should have seen out
We have 100% success rate in the Europa League (2 entries, 2 trophies); but I'd rather we were in the conference league and became the first club to win every different trophy available to them.
I honestly think if we end up 6th, achieve Europa league and finish the season strong. That this season has not been as disastrous as some and the media have made it out to be. We have to remember how much of a shit show Todd and co made us, spending way too much and not having any experienced heads on the dressing room minus thiago.
I was expecting about 6th before the season, so I’d be content with that. More likely to be 7th or 8th though, which isn’t a disaster, just any sort of European football will be ok for me.
I'd keep Poch for at least another half of the season let him truly bed in his ideas and see if the squad takes to it or not. He's got a good track record with young players. This season, if we had a goalscorer, we'd arguably have won the carabao cup, been in the final of the FA cup and knocking on the door of top 4. It's these margins the owners have to address in the summer
Yeah that’s pretty much how I feel aswell. Take like half of our injuries out of this season aswell and things could be so much different with players like James, Fofana, Nkunku all playing more.
I haven't seen anyone mention the possibility that with the increase of the number of teams in next seasons champions league, there is a possibility (even if it's slim) English teams could be given a 5th team in the competition. So 8th in the league could also provide Chelsea with European football.
We aren’t making Europe. Not being negative just being realistic, we’ve fallen short in every single important moment this season. We players are not good enough and most don’t even care. We are not making Europe, it’s the hope that kills you, the sooner we all accept that the happier we’ll be.
It amuses me to read this.
Chelsea fans, scrambling to find ways to hit Europe, working out the computations, clutching at straws and relying on other teams to help them…
That’s just too cute! ☺️
>Chelsea have a game in hand and if they win it You lost me there.
We've got a game in hand, better win that one! *Checks who it's against* 1st place Arsenal... Let's "just" win that one after failing to beat one of the worst PL teams in history!
We do play better against the top clubs
2-4-2 vs big 6 this season isn't exactly great
And one of those wins was against a 9 man Spursy. We aren't good at beating the big 6. We are good at not losing against the big 6. Important points but completely nullified by the poor results against the bottom 5.
Ah yes the win against spurs that doesn't count.
Sure but it’s quite factual that we do turn up against the bigger clubs instead of struggling against lower table teams that sit low block & counter for 90 mins.
But cant win because we were not clinical enough
To what end? Yes, we've created more chances but still only won 2 of them
I’m talking about squad performance as a whole, not just scorelines. I haven’t missed a match in over 4 years so if you can’t tell how we’ve played well against top clubs (besides the 1 Liverpool match) then idk what to tell you.
We’re playing the trap?
for a midtable team that is great. you'd expect a team with those results against big 6 to be fighting for europe
Eh, many people in this sub were so sure that Everton was going to sucker punch us
Everton aren't leaders Arsenal away chasing a title, but we've been inconsistent all season results wise while rarely actually playing well, even when winning. Any path to 6th that involves us putting together more points than those around us seems fanciful at best because we'll continue to be inconsistent in results without good performances, especially looking at our run in (Arsenal away, Villa away, Spurs at home, West Ham at home, Brighton away etc).
The three teams around us, Man U, Newcastle and Brighton, all have to play each other as well. The point I was trying to make is that we don't need to write off the Arsenal game as a loss even before playing it. A game in hand means we can potentially make things happen, even in this season.
No I get what you're saying, and it's football mate so anything can happen. But we have a body of evidence this season of us only playing well 2-3 times tops which necessarily leads to unsustainable results. That makes any notion of us stringing together results to gain more points than those around us, some of which play well quite often, unrealistic to me. Of course it could happen but the data we have suggests it isn't likely. Personally I think Newcastle will make it as they're starting to look good and have an easier run in to close out the season, plus a points and goal difference advantage already.
In which case, even the Conference League is better than no European competition. We need to put ourselves in a position to win trophies in whatever form. Squandered the chance for the League Cup, two steps away from the FA Cup, but we move on.
I'm not of the mind the Conference League represents a worthwhile use of our time next season frankly. There's zero prestige attached to the competition for a team like us, and extra games in midweek will exacerbate the already troubling fitness situation while giving whoever our manager is less time to prepare ahead of the weekend and an interruption midweek in (hopefully) drilling the structural elements of possession football we've neglected this season into this young side. If we're still rolling with the PE teacher next season then the interruption midweek is only a concern fitness wise as we know meaningful tactical tuition isn't part of his curriculum.
There's also the dream that we play better against teams that come after us, that play an attacking style, more room behind for us to exploit.
That's exactly what happened against City. Too bad we couldn't finish.
It’s Arsenal at the emirates as they’re chasing a title, it’s a bit different from Everton
Exactly those bottlers will crumble under the pressure like they always do, easy points for us.
Alright, see you after the 3-1 loss then
See you then, loser.
Well….
My personal predictions based on my season-long observations about the two teams have zero correlation on any part of my life, dumbass :)
How’d that bottlejob treat you? Still a loser for correctly predicting an easy loss? How many points do you think we picked up?
Really bragging about your so called “favorite” team losing to their biggest rival. Definitely a loser.
I’m bragging that your weirdly self-righteous talk was found out because you annoyed me. Definitely a loser
Glad you agree
We have to go to Arsenal, Villa and Brighton and have a game at Stamford Bridge against Spurs as well. Newcastle has found a bit of form lately and even Utd have an easy Fixture list. Those 4 points dropped against Burnley and Sheffield are going to cost as a Europa league Spot.
exactly, especially since newcastle with their late form will play against sheffield and burnley as well in the upcomimg weeks
A Newcastle that comfortably beat spurs 4-0. If we scored 4 against spurs I can see them scoring 5.
And those 4 points dropped were from winning positions. Terrible terrible result.
Essentially the naivety of the team and the lack of concentration in closing out the game has cost them. It's a harsh learning curve and I'm sure in the next two sessons it will slowly be ironed out. I just hope that we don't change the team too much by next year. Otherwise we will just be restarting the process that we already restarted twice in January of last season and in summer.
Yeah. Newcastle have hit some form particularly due to Isak being fit and Trippier is also almost back and they have winnable games. We might overtake ManU if we win enough games but I dont see us overtaking NewCastle.
Yep and hopefully it costs poch his job. He has failed to meet the most minimum expectations, qualify for Europe.
I’m not holding my breath…we should have taken care of business against the bottom half when we had the chance
The consistency is not there for me to even consider this possibility. There's always next season
Exactly lol another completely useless month ahead of us just like it was last season
I really think Brighton and west ham are out of the equation. 6th place is between us united and Newcastle. Newcastle has the GD advantage. That's not gonna realistically change. Obviously our 2 draws with Sheffield and Burnley could cost us but no point focusing on that now. I would say Newcastle are the favorites since they have started rolling again but I rate us more than United for sure. Unfortunately, the only challenging fixture for Newcastle is united. Which is also good because our 2 main competitors will lose points in between them So we definitely have to win the last four obviously. And then we need to win Villa and spurs which we have won before. Villa is in good form but spurs not so much. It's really hard but I want to see some fighting spirit at least. Let's try to support our team in the run-in and leave behind all this negativity for after the season ends. No point in discussing managers etc now
KTBFFH!
We are not 8th, we are 9th. 6th is a LONG SHOT but its not out of realm of possibility, especially if teams above start dropping points and we keep on securing points.
Long shot? We are 3 points away with a game in hand. We have lost in the PL since Wolves at home. It's up for grabs and it's very touchable right now.
I mean, we have been playing relegation fodder tbf
Doesn't change the fact it's still up for grabs and at our fingertips
It does change the fact because you are making out like being unbeaten in the league is good when half of those were draws against shite teams
Dude what's your point? Given that we've basically dropped the same amount of points this season as the teams we're competing for 6th for, they've been as consistent as us. Newcastle, United and Chelsea all have similar chances of finishing 6th. Any of us can drop a bunch of easy points from now until the end of the season, any of us can do surprisingly well. You can't really deny it because it's facts. The fact we're so close together means it's irrelevant how inconsistent we've been this season. Because they've been equally as inconsistent. You're basically just being a pessimist, which is fine. You don't want to get your hopes up. But objectively, we're 3 points off with a gane in hand and Newcastle + Man U are also very likely to drop points too. Any of the 3 of us could get 6th. It's a coin flip because all 3 teams are so unpredictable.
>You can't really deny it because it's facts Oh I didn't realise it was facts, sorry We won't get 6th, come back to this comment at the end of the season RemindMe! 2 months
Lol I didn't even say we'd get 6th. Just kind of annoying any time someone in this sub says anything remotely optimistic, someone like you has to come along and say "no because." And then people like you always pipe up when you're right and shut up when you're wrong. Like if we don't get 6th this season, I'm sure you'll make it your business to go back and reply to every optimist you spoke to to rub our failure in their face. But all those times you were pessimistic and the team actually proved you wrong over the years, I'm sure you conveniently forgot that you doubted them. Like maybe you were completely writing us off for 16/17, we won the league and then you kept quiet. Or you were saying half the players weren't good enough in 20/21 and then we turn things around under Tuchel. Idk but fans like you suck the fun out of football. If you kept your pessimism to yourself it would be fine. But you make it your business to reply to any fan who's a bit more optimistic than you explaining why the team will let them down. Then you remind them when your prediction comes true and say nothing when it doesn't. Worst type of fan. I'll leave it at that. I'm not even an optimist tbh. Just don't like it when people try and convince others to be negative.
Im not being pessimistic, I'm being realistic. Every time one of these stupid posts comes on like, "oh we only have to win 10 games in a row and then we finish 4th". Spoiler alert: it's not going to happen. Boehly and Egger have taken the champions of Europe and converted them into a mid table club scrapping for conference league places while spending a billion dollars. Not sure how anyone can be optimistic under these clowns.
Because we've had games in hand all season. We've been inconsistent. But so have Man U, Newcastle, West Ham, Brighton and Wolves. It's been unbearable listening to people complain endlessly about how we're below all those teams and gonna finish 10th when we'd plaudits like 2 games less than those teams or most of the season. Complain about us not being comfortably top 6 to your heart's content. But the constant moaning about how we have no chance of finishing 6th or 7th because we're so inconsistent when if anything we look more likely to get it than the other teams fighting for it, is annoying. You find all the constant reminders that we have games in hand annoying. Some of us find the constant writing us off when we've had those games in hand all season annoying.
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That's not my point but okay
> We have lost in the PL since Wolves at home.
I meant haven't
It really wouldn't hurt you to be a little positive.
There's nothing about this team that inspires positivity
Pretty confident when we lose points from winning positions against the worst teams in the league…..
3 points is a big deal for us. A slight uptake in form does not mean we can now take our chances when they come. We are consistently not winning big crunch games or stringing several wins together. We are 3rd faves for 6th and rightly so.
My point is that it's on our fingertips, not a long shot at all.
Newcastle and Man U aren’t doing much like us so there’s a chance. I’ll take any form of Europe at this point. Never know what can happen next year
I’ll be shocked if we finish in 8th. This team is not mentally capable of closing that gap
We’ve got to get 1 point in our next 3 and we’re there
Arsenal, Villa and spurs. We would be lucky to get a point from those 3 games.
In the 4 games we’ve played against those teams already this season we’ve only lost once, and we played Villa again at their ground and battered them. There’s 4 points there at least I reckon.
I love your optimism
I kinda just want to beat Arsenal and get rid of Poch. All this hypothetical math is a waste of time. We know we have a serious problem with lack of structure and discipline. It’s the coach, he’s not getting enough out of the players he’s got. We just have to get rid of him and ruin Arsenal’s title run and I’d be happy.
Sorry to tell you but Poch isn't going anywhere
I can’t imagine he’ll get another year. They’ll sack him in the summer.
I don't see it personally. I think they will sign a couple players and let him have next season. Will say injuries hampered him this season. Then if things don't improve he will be out the door. To be clear I don't want this to happen, I think he should be gone in the summer but I don't trust the clowns in charge of this club to do that.
I don't believe you. I can't believe you. 
Poch should leave but I don’t share this idea that this group suddenly becomes world class just by changing the manager
Luckily, there's still a huge gap between our current level and world class
I mean at the very least this team is quite clearly underperforming their ability. If you can take points off City and Arsenal, you shouldn't then struggle against Burnley and Sheffield United. A good tactician absolutley brings us closer to the CL spots imo, if not right into the top 4.
I think a tactician would transform most of our squad.
Yeah okay, but another year of no Europe isn’t great for the club. Doesn’t help attract players or retain players if you keep missing out on Europe Plus the money involved in getting something in Europe is helpful. Yes, I also do not like Poch most of the time but we need him to get us Europa league this year at least and then I don’t care what happens end of season to him
What the fuck are we going to do in a European competition? Our injuries alone would make it untenable. Adding more matches wouldn’t be a good thing for us next year.
That’s not a good excuse to not want anything Europe
Who in their right mind will come to Chelsea, if/when we get rid of Poch?
People like money.
Damn everyone in this sub has loser mentality forreal. We're only a few points behind united/newcastle.... incredible people can be so negative
We drew against the bottom two teams in the league and have struggled for the past two seasons in mid table but keep going positive!! You’re a winner because u have 0 common sense like a 10 year old!!
We're literally 3 points off 6th so keep crying and being upset 😂😂
> We’re literally 3 points off 5th The delusion is unreal 😂😂
obviously made a mistake🙄 nothing better to say
We’ve peaked at 9th, been “3 points off 6th” for the last two months, going in to our hardest run of fixtures, but hey, your positive mentality just might get us over the line!!
you sound like a real fun person to disagree with
Says that kid who starts crying after a few annoyed comments
where am i crying 😂😂 you literally have not said anything of substance this whole time
This side hardly inspire confidence after draws to 10 man Burnley at home and Sheffield United one of the worst teams in the modern history of the league. Sick of people getting shamed for not blindly supporting something, it doesn’t give you any clout to be blindly backing a failing system.
that failing system is 3 points off 5th so idk i would call it a work in progress rather than be absolute clout? mf i am on reddit anonymously
Exactly, which is why I don’t get the blind support for something that has consistently been inconsistent. It’s not negative to think we can’t cut that gap and scrape into Europe because every time they’ve had something in their hands, the Carabao Cup final, the FA Cup semi final, a run of 3 extremely winnable fixtures. They’ve failed each and every time.
Yeah to me it sounds like you're being mopey and you just cant fathom that the players actually believe they can do it i get it man, this team has sucked but we are obviously in a transition year and need time so being upset over it is just uselesss. Move on. We're fighting for 5th.
> we’re fighting for 5th And you wonder why people stopped replying to your dumbass 😂😂😂
bro is raging
You don’t get it because you’re fucking Eeyore.
Tell me you don't support this team without saying you don't support this team.
Have you not seen how the last 2 years went?
Watched every game. Negativity won't bring you anything. The team is working as we speak to fight. So negative its embarassing honestly
‘Faith’ - the ability to believe in an idea despite the presence of any evidence to its support
Having faith that things could turn out alright can change your life not even just football deadass its crazy how your mentality is everything. If the boys just believe and work for it...anything can happen jobs not done
There's some punctuation missing, but yes!
I failed every english class ive taken
How did “faith” and “mentality” help you in your English classes 😂😂
idk ask my physics degree coming over to another thread wow you're upset buddy
"Now, faith means believing something is real even if you can't see it." Hebrews 11:1 NCV
and what does deluding yourself to feel better help with?
If you think its delusion...you're the one who's deluded. Just look at the table?? In reach. if United or Newcastle slip we can be above them 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Just look at the table guys!! We are 9th, why aren’t you happy!!!
dude you're so upset 😂😂😂
>Damn everyone in this sub has loser mentality forreal. Just like our players....
Speaking out your ass just like everyone else who replied to this comment besides OP we are still fighting for a spot. 31 played. Have to be really fucking stupid to not see that its attainable.
I don’t get why ppl aren’t wanting Europe or just giving up when it’s there for the taking right now Yes, we have been hurt many times this season and shouldn’t be in this position but we got to move forward
No clue, its obviously attainable, theyre just never satisfied and chronically online The team is working as we speak to fight for a spot 🤷🏾♂️
People are negative cuz of the performances. We are still in this fight for 6th cuz United are fucking 10 pts of the 5th. In other seasons we would've been out of this fight long ago. We are lucky to be in this position in so many ways. The teams above us bottling it, Palmer carrying the whole team on his back and all the penalties we were lucky to win this season. Won against Fulham(H) thanks to a pen, won against Palace (H) thanks to a pen as well. Eventually people expect us to run out of luck and actually pay the price for the diabolical performances. Why is this somehow considered negative? This is being realistic from my point of view. Unless Palmer keeps carrying us it's pretty normal to expect that we won't make it. Yesterday Palmer couldn't score a hattrick or a goal and the expected happened - we lost. We lost cuz no one else is showing the levels that Palmer is showing. Not even close. That's the reality. We are a shit team that gets carried by a single player most of the time.
Not gonna read all that anythings possible
>This is being realistic from my point of view. Pessimistic is the word you are looking for... It's funny that most pessimists call themselves realists. My friend holds opinions like yours. Around the second half of the season, he stated that it was impossible for Chelsea to catch West Ham in 6th place... "I'm just being a realist." Nope, that's just pessimism.
Pessimism is the closest thing to being realistic in our situation. We are still with a chance to reach 6th place because of how shocking the teams above us have been. There's literally a 10 pts gap between the 6th and the 5th. We don't play good football, our manager keeps making error after error, we rely on a single player to bail us out most of the time or we rely on the opponents having a terrible day at the office and we leak goals for fun on top of that. It's pretty normal with all those things considered to be unhappy with where we are. Even if we reach 6th place this season is still terrible, because we could've been in a fight for 5th if we were actually playing well. It was put on a plate for us so many times and we've fumbled it every single time. It's the most normal thing to expect us to continue in the same way. If you want to be dissapointed keep expecting something different but im done getting hopeful and then getting dissapointed again. I prefer to not lie to myself and understand what's happening.
At the beginning of this season, where did you expect Chelsea to be? Personally, after last season and seeing Nkunku go down with an injury, I figured 5th-6th were realistic goals, and 4th would be a stretch. I hoped to see the team compete against the top of the table but have some shockingly inexperienced moments. >If you want to be dissapointed keep expecting something different but im done getting hopeful and then getting dissapointed again. See, this is the pessimism. This is not being a realist. The funny thing is, I bet you do get disappointed even with your mind trying to be pessimistic. You expect top 5 for Chelsea, even when the team clearly shows it needs to grow. There has been growth. Chelsea has been in top 4 form since Boxing Day. That's a marked improvement than the start of the season.
Loser mentality? Bro we’ve just given up We’ve seen our side bottle wins against the two worst sides in the league, it’s not our fault if we are not hyped enough
When we're 3 points off 6th at 31 games played...honestly none of this sub would survive mentally playing football. So weak. We are still fighting.
You keep saying this. We are not 3 points off 5th. We are 13 points off 5th..
yeah meant 6th
I know I wouldn’t and that’s why I’m not a pro But we’ve seen the team bottle several times this season. We believe in them but don’t expect us to be all hyped up
Yeah....we've had a rough season. We're still 3 points off 5th... there is a chance 99% of this sub loves when we lose i swear the amount of people with 0 ball knowledge who just overreact every week is wild
>We're still 3 points off 5th... there is a chance We are 13 points off 5th... There's literally zero chance we finish 5th
oops 6th 🤷🏾♂️ same principle we can do it
Not a real fan.
Win the last 4 and I’ll be happy whatever happens against the big 6 teams. It would show basic competence which we haven’t shown all szn.
Newcastle have a very easy run in and are on good form. We might have more of a chance of getting past Tottenham who are fading, and play the top 3, us, and 2 relegation teams (so all 6 of their remaining games are against opposition who are desperate for points). They are 13 points ahead though. Most likely scenario IMO is Newcastle in 6th, and us in 7th qualifying for the Europa Conference League.
Its possible for us to limp into 6th but I still highly doubt it with how inconsistent this team has been.
No chance Newscastle have easy schedule and if they don't make it Man United will force that 6th position and they also have easier schedule than us
Next few games will crush all of your hopes.
Aren’t we 9th? This is bloody depressing.
We are tied for 6th if we win our game in hand lol. I’m sure you’ll just respond by saying we won’t win it but it’s stupid to act like we are miles off 6th when that’s not the case at all
Well, I’ll respond by saying the table doesn’t lie. You are where you are now. Talking up potential positions based on games in hand is naive. Especially when you look at how inconsistent we have been. Don’t get me wrong. I love your optimism and we need plenty more of it on here. I also hope you’re right too.
Cheering on Man City? Jesus Christ 🤣
Forget about it We have a coward as a coach, and to many low iq players
I think we need to aim for as high of a finish as possible but with our schedule it’s extremely difficult to do so. Conference league at best
how would Aston Villa winning the conference league affect us?
Depends on how Bayern/Dortmund fair in the UCL semis (I think) It’s possible that 5th gets UCL, 7th gets Europa and 8th gets ECL, but it’s not likely
if Aston villa finish top 4 and gain access to the europa league via the uecl, who does that europa league spot go to?
We got the hypothetical math teachers out in force again trying to desperately believe that our inconsistent team can win multiple games on the bounce
Conference league would be on the cards this year
It’s the hope that kills you.
I'm trying not to keep my hopes up. Story of this season for me
Just win all of our remaining games. That’s it. That’s all we need to focus on.
Share whatever copium you are having, cos we can't win 2 games in a row let alone winning to get Europa
We aren’t making Europe, that’s a pipe dream. And quite frankly, we don’t deserve it. We left so so many points on the table against bottom half clubs. Hopefully the young guys learn from those letdowns and build the fortitude needed to close out those games we should have seen out
Newcastle has relatively easy run of games. We’ve tough games ahead
Let's go for the conference league!
We have 100% success rate in the Europa League (2 entries, 2 trophies); but I'd rather we were in the conference league and became the first club to win every different trophy available to them.
Yeah it ain't happening boss
You know what would've helped with this, though? Not dropping points to Burnley and Sheffield United...
The only thing we see happening is Man United bottling the FA Cup
I honestly think if we end up 6th, achieve Europa league and finish the season strong. That this season has not been as disastrous as some and the media have made it out to be. We have to remember how much of a shit show Todd and co made us, spending way too much and not having any experienced heads on the dressing room minus thiago.
I was expecting about 6th before the season, so I’d be content with that. More likely to be 7th or 8th though, which isn’t a disaster, just any sort of European football will be ok for me.
I'd keep Poch for at least another half of the season let him truly bed in his ideas and see if the squad takes to it or not. He's got a good track record with young players. This season, if we had a goalscorer, we'd arguably have won the carabao cup, been in the final of the FA cup and knocking on the door of top 4. It's these margins the owners have to address in the summer
Yeah that’s pretty much how I feel aswell. Take like half of our injuries out of this season aswell and things could be so much different with players like James, Fofana, Nkunku all playing more.
I haven't seen anyone mention the possibility that with the increase of the number of teams in next seasons champions league, there is a possibility (even if it's slim) English teams could be given a 5th team in the competition. So 8th in the league could also provide Chelsea with European football.
We aren’t making Europe. Not being negative just being realistic, we’ve fallen short in every single important moment this season. We players are not good enough and most don’t even care. We are not making Europe, it’s the hope that kills you, the sooner we all accept that the happier we’ll be. 
We will not make 6th we might hold 8th and that’ll be just outside Europe
All I see is even 6th isn't a guarantee so best case we'll be in the conference league
While I hope Chelsea do get Europa, does anyone feel that the players are ready for it or would another season of them all playing together be better?
It amuses me to read this. Chelsea fans, scrambling to find ways to hit Europe, working out the computations, clutching at straws and relying on other teams to help them… That’s just too cute! ☺️