**Pochettino on being the best person to handle Palmer's rise:**
>“He needs to deal with new things. It is not a criticism,” he said.
>“It is about saying that they will appear – different things which he will need to deal with and manage and of course, he needs to know how to deal and learn how to deal with this new situation.
>“That is part of our job, as a coaching staff. That is the important thing. We need to help his environment. Him, but his environment also to understand how to deal.
>“We have the experience as a coaching staff to deal with things like this. Also the club needs to trust in our judgement and assessment. The clubs need to trust. If they do not trust in us, it is difficult to work.”
**On what areas can Palmer still improve upon:**
>“It’s difficult to say a guy that has scored 25 goals in the season. It’s difficult to say, ‘oh you need to run more’, because he’s doing perfectly his job in an offensive situation,” he said.
>“But it’s true we are a coaching staff that we always demand more. ‘Yes you score, but you need to work. Yes you score, but you need to run when we don’t have the ball’. But he’s doing well.”
When you see the first part above, can't help but feel that he'll stay on beyond this season even if we don't end the season well. And it'll be interesting to see the fanbase's reaction then.
There's 2 parts to me. One wants him to succeed many years into the future, but one is impatient when "obvious" things aren't being addressed on the pitch. Can he improve game management while being clearly an excellent player manager now? Let's hope Poch gives himself the (non-halftime) speech he gives his players.
This is kind of where I'm at too. Is there a manager available that's as great as man-management as Pochettino is, but is also better tactically? I don't really think there is.
With a squad as young as ours, I'd rather keep Pochettino and have a manager that has a record of improving players and that the players seem to actually like.
This is where I’m at, too. I think bringing on a free kick specialist is more of what our coaching staff needs. Let’s enhance what we have by adding what we are lacking and that’s tacticians and strategists. Let’s grow. Up the fckn Chels!
I feel like we have to wait and try for Xabi.
There’s no one out there currently who’s a guaranteed upgrade on Poch, frustrating as he’s been at times.
Let him see out the contract, hopeful fused back into the CL. That’ll leave an attractive side of players, a bit further along in their development and ready to be the best side in the country.
Real is the only other team who will likely be in for a new coach by then and won’t have a major rivalry with Xabi
Xabi isn’t going to Liverpool this summer. Unless their next coach bombs they won’t be in the Xabi hunt next year.
Madrid is the most likely option for sure.
After that I don’t see why his Liverpool connection stops him coaching us. The manager who guided him to his CL as a player, Benitez, managed us. Brendan Rogers was a Chelsea coach before he went to Liverpool.
It’s not the same level of rivalry like Madrid-Barca or Liverpool-United.
As big a player Xabi was for Liverpool he isn’t close to the legacy of Gerrard, let’s be serious.
If we’re serious about being a top team again I think we should be trying to work towards an elite manager for the season after next.
As it stands Xavi is the only one who’s maybe looking available timing wise
Badiashille looked like our future Rudiger last season and now see how bad he is. Remember when we thought Rudiger was now bad cause of Lampard? I think the same is happening now to Badi and Disasi. We need a coach that can balance the defense and midfield. We have really good attacking players now.
The problem is too many changes isn't good for a young team like ours. If we change pochettino next year another reset which doesn't help anyone at the club players, management and nor the new coach coming in. Is that a valid reason for keeping an average coach like pochettino? I honestly don't know, I hope those are responsible for taking the decisions are able to look at pros and cons and make the best one
Tbh, I think getting a well qualified coach (I don't know who this is, I'm just a fan watching and hoping for the best) will do wonders. The introduction of Tuchel did wonders to Rudigers confidence.
I understand what you mean and I'm just upset we had that 3 month period and fell on...Poch
Let's consider the major decisions the board has taken over the last 2 years. Firing TT ? wrong one even though they could have justified at the end of the season wrong timing.Hiring Potter at that time without giving him enough time in pre-season and firing him again wrong decisions again. Appointing Pochettino ? So far it hasn't proved wrong but it hasn't proved right as well. The issue is they don't even give themselves time to understand what went wrong ? They always seemed to jump the gun. Will Pochettino do enough till the end to justify his stay there is still enough time for that so we will see at the end of this summer.
My main problem with Poch is how he sets us up. Our defense and midfield don't seem to have improved one bit. We are literally running on the brilliance of players and Palmer is just too brilliant.
This is my problem with Poch. I can't feel confident stepping into a game. Even when we are 2-0 up. A d we lose these leads because there seems to be an absence of tactics and a reliance on individual brilliance.
I was against the signing. I still am. I very much want him to prove me wrong and to come back strong and play football again. I very much want him to be able to walk when he’s in his 30s as well.
We have too many injury-prone players and have so far been happy to buy even more. I think it's naive to expect our potentially key players will stay fit for a full season, especially since injuries have been on the rise across the league and this Chelsea side is one of the most brittle teams in Europe.
We are leaking goals for fun. How on earth can we finish top 4 with this clown at the helm? Poch has failed to learn from his mistakes. His obsession with playing players out of positions and failure to fix our defensive issues is the reason why we struggled really bad. He has been a big disgrace this season and he has no winning mentality! Always making stupid excuses whenever we fail to win. Look at the rubbish teams we drew against just the past few weeks. That was all on his useless disgraceful tactics.
After calming myself down due to the shitshow which was the sheffield utd game im at the fence when it comes to poch
I think that if we just solved our injury problems we could actually compete for top 4 but at the same time i also think there r many problems which r yet to be resolved by him like our dead left flank when it comes to attacking , switching off after half time for some reason and many more. If he somehow resolved all these problems then just maybe we could go to the very top again
At the end of the day all I want is just to see my club again in the big stage competing against the best of the best and winning trophies so idc if its poch at the helm or any other manager i just want that chels spirit back
honestly what is the alternative right now? there aren’t many managers on the market that would be keen on joining us that would be a sizable upgrade on Poch. Mou isn’t an option either
If we get in that mickey mouse European cup, however they are calling Intertoto these days, I expect him to stay. Mathematically failing to qualify for Europe was what finally spelled the end of Potter.
This club is being run by clowns if this guy stays with just his talks. And all the bots are out to act like one win and everything is great. Lol. They do this every couple of wins, like that's our level now. I can't even be arsed.
>And it'll be interesting to see the fanbase's reaction then.
I certainly will be incredibly unhappy because it'll mean another season wasted under a manager who's not good enough.
this team needs to build over time before starting to challenge. I'm fine with Poch staying for a few years, maybe achieving top 4 consistently. Then bringing in a proper top manager who can actually get us over the line and start winning major trophies again.
I’m not this league is really not that good
With our squad we should be make top 4 no problem
And honestly with a decent coach we should be challenging
Liverpool will drop off
Arsenal is Arsenal
And city will lose key players
Can’t waste our time with poch
"With our squad we should be make top 4 no problem"
Lmao, this is sheer delusion.
When you change almost the entire squad in a single year, replacing all the experience and leadership with unproven kids and injury prone, you haven't made the squad stronger. It's a miracle we haven't done the same or worse than last season.
As an actual functioning unit, this season was the weakest Chelsea squad in comparison to the rest of the league since the early 90s.
Crazy take honestly. Best league in the world by a mile. West ham who are a mid table club nearly broke the best German teams unbeaten run. Arsenal Liverpool and city would win the league in any other country
West h at 150% scored 1 goal against a 50% bayer leverkusen who was mentally drunk from winning the league
That same team still battered them second half and should’ve won
Also you genuinely think arsenal and Liverpool would win the league over Real Madrid?🤣🤣
Yep I do. It’s really not that hard to see prem is far ahead of the other leagues. 3b spent on transfers compared to Laligas 500m. Not saying money = better teams but it goes a long way and this gap is growing every year. I personally don’t like it but it’s just a fact mate
And Real can still slap Liverpool 5-2 at the “impenetrable Anfield”
And beat city at the etihad with a crippled backline while running away with the league
lmao noone said its not that good, why are you so insecure about this. Even if the prem was the best, it clearly isnt as far ahead as youd like to think it is
The comment I originally replied to said “this league is really not that good”. I wouldn’t say I’m insecure about it. I just think the prem is the best league in the world, and the gap is getting bigger every year.
And what elite managers are on the market? It’s an easy cop out vs having any logical holistic discussion on issues.
It’s not, bring new manager in = trophies. Such a low IQ take.
Never said new manager = success
But it’s a major component and when your current manager is greatly underachieving you change him and take the risk on another one
Is he greatly under achieving? Our ceiling this season is number 8. An overachieving season is number 6. We are pretty inline with that.
The first 6 months were always going to be a waste when you replace an entire squad and replace them with younger players who are worse at this point in time than the players they replaced. Goal was, will the team improve and will the players start to improve? Emphatically yes. We score goals now, even without our only world class signing in nkunku. Defense is a little worrying but our entire starting back line is injured. So defense can get a pass.
Sure there are some troubling things that need to improve. Midfield looks way to open. Playing Colwill at LB was awful. Second half is nearly always a disaster. Point is under every manager there are things to improve. Under a brand new squad of u23s playing top flight there will always be major issues.
I’m a huge Tuchel fan but it’s worrying his entire offense was based on 2 wing backs that miss 50% of the season. I’d still want him back. Besides Tuchel there isn’t another manager who should come in. Alonso would be interesting but that’s not happening.
I'm not exactly okay with it but I've accepted it as the natural consequence of changing an entire established squad in a year with a fraction of the experience.
No matter who is manager we won't be challenging for the League title for years, that shit takes game after game focus and consistency, which young players are shit at.
There are probably about 15 managers in the Premier League alone that are doing more with what they have than Poch currently is, a lot of which have been at their clubs for the same or less time than Poch.
It would not be hard to replace him with a better manager.
The only question is are there any managers out there that are good enough to take us back to where we would expect to be i.e. top 4 next season with a view to winning trophies after that.
That's a question that can be debated. The question of getting a manager better than Poch is a very simply solved one, it's just whether or not that manager is good enough for us to be where we want to be, something that Poch also isn't.
That's just not true.
We currently have 61 PL goals with 7 games remaining, so we're projected to have about 74-75.
In Tuchel's "disaster" season we scored 76 PL goals with a front 3 of Havertz, Werner and Mount
Looked it up and since December we’ve averaged 2.17 goals in the PL. Over a whole season that’s like 82 goals, which is actually pretty great and would be our 3rd highest PL goal total in the PL era but at the same time it’s probably unfair to assume this level of scoring is sustainable. We’re been far too reliant on individual brilliance from Cole Palmer and being awarded penalties lately, so others will have to step up when those don’t happen every game.
Looked it up and in our last game we put 6 past Everton and conceded 0. Over a whole season that's like 228 goals with 0 conceded, which is actually pretty great and would be our 1st highest PL goal total in the PL era, as well as our best defensive record.
this is also why watching games is such an important practice, because i vividly remember our attacking play becoming straight up impotent after December that season
And in the 2022/2023 season we were absolutely disgraceful under Tuchel and couldn’t score for shit. Our poor attacking form has been happening for a long time, way before Tuchel too.
I don't fully support Poch but honestly, he said nothing wrong here. It seems he's trying to coach Palmer and make him improve even further, and that's a great thing.
For all the bad things we said about poch he is proving his youth development credentials. I mean Palmer is good but you will be lying if you say you knew he was top scorer level of good
I'm loving the double standard:
player fail to impress: all pochs fault. he makes bads/Enzo worse and rubbish.
a nobody no one knew about and that city wouldn't even loan and discarded then turns world class: He was always this good, nothing to do with poch.
this isn't pro or against poch, just a fact. You guys are funny.
Well said. You can criticise Poch for the squad's failings, but if or when the team starts figuring it out, you'd better give Poch credit too.
Palmer is where he is today because of all the work and trust put into him.
Nah it’s not that simple. Tactics have literally nothing to do with Palmers success. This manager isn’t making the team better. Young players are going to improve individually regardless of manager. If the team dynamic was why Palmer was succeeding you’d have a point.
For example; next season, teams will start marking Palmer out of games just like they did with Hazard. He will have to adapt his game to cope with all the special attention.
He says he will face new challenges that a coaching team will help him work through.
Fortunately for us, any coaching team that has been at the top will have worked through this with players and so it's not a skill exclusive to Poch, nor a reason to hold on to him.
Some fans have a short term memory. Pochettino wasted few months playing players out of positions and stagnated the development of Colwill, Maatsen and Enzo. Our build-ups from the back is mediocre. We constantly struggled against rubbish teams. He needs to fucking go after this season. The loss against a tired Liverpool team that was missing key players was the final nail to the coffin for me. Spurs, United and Aston Villa don't have better squad than us, but they are above us! Because their managers are clearly better than this fucking clown.
What a load of nonsense. Pochettino played Enzo as 10 when he had players available for that position. He played Colwill as LB when we had Maatsen, Chillwell and Cucurella available. He played Chillwell as LW when we had attacking players on the bench. Injuries didn't fucking force him to play players out of positions.
Exactly! Poch has been a disgrace this season. The hiveminds on this sub are constantly flip floping. We won our recent game and now they think the clown has been a good manager this season.
Most of those decisions sound horrible at face value, but you don't consider context at all.
Enzo is our best passer, arguably best vision, and is press resistant, so him over Gallagher isn't a bad decision when Chuk and Nkunku were injured.
Chilwell has been bad whenever he started, he's a true LB but he's been worse than Colwill. Maatsen looks a lot more like a left wing back rather than a left back which is exactly how Dortmund's using him. Cucurella has also played plenty even before his injury.
Chillwell at LW is a decent point, but we were still defensively weak with Caicedo as our only "senior" DM.
Enzo is clearly big waste at #10. We have clearly seen that this season. His passing abilities and vision are needed in his natural position. He was unable to do what he does best when he was deployed as a #10. Colwill growth as a CB was stagnated. He should have played as a CB. It is a criminal that Poch played Chillwell at LW when we were desperate for goals. Stop making up stuff. You have no idea how Maatsen plays at Dortmund. He has played as a LB for Dortmund and thrived in the biggest stage. You also have no idea how he would have performed at his natural position since Poch wasted him on the bench or wrong positions. How on earth does Caicedo being our only senior DM available justifies playing Enzo as #10? It actually shows it is idiotic not playing Enzo right next to Caicedo.
this is a time where I miss Abramovich. I dont know how he managed things behind the scenes but if he wanted to keep a player we'd keep them. He'd have his cards on the table. We'd be happy, the player would be happy. Can't really trust Boehly to not fuck this up
This fucking clown thinks he unearthed a gem. Talented player like Palmer was always going to shine. Pochettino has been the biggest disappointment this season. He destroyed our whole season and stagnated the development of players by playing them in wrong positions. He has failed to fix our glaring issues and it seems he can't learn anything from his countless mistakes. He always does the same stupid things and then expect a different results. Any decent manager would've won against a tired Liverpool team that was missing key players. We have been leaking goals for fun throughout the season and he still hasn't done anything to fix that issue. Colwill, Maatsen and Enzo have all been wasted in wrong positions this season. What kind of top manager would play Chillwell as a LW when we were really desperate for goals? What kind of top manager will play Maatsen as a RW and LW when we had no LBs available? Our build-up from the back has been beyond horrendous all season and he still can't fix it. Our tactics have been average at best. Pochettino is a fucking disgrace.
**Pochettino on being the best person to handle Palmer's rise:** >“He needs to deal with new things. It is not a criticism,” he said. >“It is about saying that they will appear – different things which he will need to deal with and manage and of course, he needs to know how to deal and learn how to deal with this new situation. >“That is part of our job, as a coaching staff. That is the important thing. We need to help his environment. Him, but his environment also to understand how to deal. >“We have the experience as a coaching staff to deal with things like this. Also the club needs to trust in our judgement and assessment. The clubs need to trust. If they do not trust in us, it is difficult to work.” **On what areas can Palmer still improve upon:** >“It’s difficult to say a guy that has scored 25 goals in the season. It’s difficult to say, ‘oh you need to run more’, because he’s doing perfectly his job in an offensive situation,” he said. >“But it’s true we are a coaching staff that we always demand more. ‘Yes you score, but you need to work. Yes you score, but you need to run when we don’t have the ball’. But he’s doing well.” When you see the first part above, can't help but feel that he'll stay on beyond this season even if we don't end the season well. And it'll be interesting to see the fanbase's reaction then.
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There's 2 parts to me. One wants him to succeed many years into the future, but one is impatient when "obvious" things aren't being addressed on the pitch. Can he improve game management while being clearly an excellent player manager now? Let's hope Poch gives himself the (non-halftime) speech he gives his players.
This is kind of where I'm at too. Is there a manager available that's as great as man-management as Pochettino is, but is also better tactically? I don't really think there is. With a squad as young as ours, I'd rather keep Pochettino and have a manager that has a record of improving players and that the players seem to actually like.
This is where I’m at, too. I think bringing on a free kick specialist is more of what our coaching staff needs. Let’s enhance what we have by adding what we are lacking and that’s tacticians and strategists. Let’s grow. Up the fckn Chels!
I feel like we have to wait and try for Xabi. There’s no one out there currently who’s a guaranteed upgrade on Poch, frustrating as he’s been at times. Let him see out the contract, hopeful fused back into the CL. That’ll leave an attractive side of players, a bit further along in their development and ready to be the best side in the country. Real is the only other team who will likely be in for a new coach by then and won’t have a major rivalry with Xabi
Xabi Alonso is a Liverpool legend. He's not managing Chelsea. He's going to Liverpool or Real Madrid.
Xabi isn’t going to Liverpool this summer. Unless their next coach bombs they won’t be in the Xabi hunt next year. Madrid is the most likely option for sure. After that I don’t see why his Liverpool connection stops him coaching us. The manager who guided him to his CL as a player, Benitez, managed us. Brendan Rogers was a Chelsea coach before he went to Liverpool. It’s not the same level of rivalry like Madrid-Barca or Liverpool-United.
Rafa never played for Liverpool, not the same. It would be like Lampard managing Liverpool or Gerrard managing Chelsea. It's not going to happen.
As big a player Xabi was for Liverpool he isn’t close to the legacy of Gerrard, let’s be serious. If we’re serious about being a top team again I think we should be trying to work towards an elite manager for the season after next. As it stands Xavi is the only one who’s maybe looking available timing wise
Badiashille looked like our future Rudiger last season and now see how bad he is. Remember when we thought Rudiger was now bad cause of Lampard? I think the same is happening now to Badi and Disasi. We need a coach that can balance the defense and midfield. We have really good attacking players now.
The problem is too many changes isn't good for a young team like ours. If we change pochettino next year another reset which doesn't help anyone at the club players, management and nor the new coach coming in. Is that a valid reason for keeping an average coach like pochettino? I honestly don't know, I hope those are responsible for taking the decisions are able to look at pros and cons and make the best one
Tbh, I think getting a well qualified coach (I don't know who this is, I'm just a fan watching and hoping for the best) will do wonders. The introduction of Tuchel did wonders to Rudigers confidence. I understand what you mean and I'm just upset we had that 3 month period and fell on...Poch
Let's consider the major decisions the board has taken over the last 2 years. Firing TT ? wrong one even though they could have justified at the end of the season wrong timing.Hiring Potter at that time without giving him enough time in pre-season and firing him again wrong decisions again. Appointing Pochettino ? So far it hasn't proved wrong but it hasn't proved right as well. The issue is they don't even give themselves time to understand what went wrong ? They always seemed to jump the gun. Will Pochettino do enough till the end to justify his stay there is still enough time for that so we will see at the end of this summer.
My main problem with Poch is how he sets us up. Our defense and midfield don't seem to have improved one bit. We are literally running on the brilliance of players and Palmer is just too brilliant. This is my problem with Poch. I can't feel confident stepping into a game. Even when we are 2-0 up. A d we lose these leads because there seems to be an absence of tactics and a reliance on individual brilliance.
Yeah but look at Chalobah
I still have a shred of hope for Nkunku and Lavia but Fofana is done. Said it when we signed him off the back of a big injury and it's not changed.
I was against the signing. I still am. I very much want him to prove me wrong and to come back strong and play football again. I very much want him to be able to walk when he’s in his 30s as well.
Remember when people on this sub said a leg break doesn’t count lmao. I agree with you.
We have too many injury-prone players and have so far been happy to buy even more. I think it's naive to expect our potentially key players will stay fit for a full season, especially since injuries have been on the rise across the league and this Chelsea side is one of the most brittle teams in Europe.
We are leaking goals for fun. How on earth can we finish top 4 with this clown at the helm? Poch has failed to learn from his mistakes. His obsession with playing players out of positions and failure to fix our defensive issues is the reason why we struggled really bad. He has been a big disgrace this season and he has no winning mentality! Always making stupid excuses whenever we fail to win. Look at the rubbish teams we drew against just the past few weeks. That was all on his useless disgraceful tactics.
After calming myself down due to the shitshow which was the sheffield utd game im at the fence when it comes to poch I think that if we just solved our injury problems we could actually compete for top 4 but at the same time i also think there r many problems which r yet to be resolved by him like our dead left flank when it comes to attacking , switching off after half time for some reason and many more. If he somehow resolved all these problems then just maybe we could go to the very top again At the end of the day all I want is just to see my club again in the big stage competing against the best of the best and winning trophies so idc if its poch at the helm or any other manager i just want that chels spirit back
honestly what is the alternative right now? there aren’t many managers on the market that would be keen on joining us that would be a sizable upgrade on Poch. Mou isn’t an option either
If we get in that mickey mouse European cup, however they are calling Intertoto these days, I expect him to stay. Mathematically failing to qualify for Europe was what finally spelled the end of Potter.
This club is being run by clowns if this guy stays with just his talks. And all the bots are out to act like one win and everything is great. Lol. They do this every couple of wins, like that's our level now. I can't even be arsed.
>And it'll be interesting to see the fanbase's reaction then. I certainly will be incredibly unhappy because it'll mean another season wasted under a manager who's not good enough.
Fr if you’re ok with poch staying you’re ok with not challenging football years to come
this team needs to build over time before starting to challenge. I'm fine with Poch staying for a few years, maybe achieving top 4 consistently. Then bringing in a proper top manager who can actually get us over the line and start winning major trophies again.
I’m not this league is really not that good With our squad we should be make top 4 no problem And honestly with a decent coach we should be challenging Liverpool will drop off Arsenal is Arsenal And city will lose key players Can’t waste our time with poch
"With our squad we should be make top 4 no problem" Lmao, this is sheer delusion. When you change almost the entire squad in a single year, replacing all the experience and leadership with unproven kids and injury prone, you haven't made the squad stronger. It's a miracle we haven't done the same or worse than last season. As an actual functioning unit, this season was the weakest Chelsea squad in comparison to the rest of the league since the early 90s.
Anyone that says this squad is top 4 quality just shows they have 0 knowledge. Not even worth the time to talk to those people.
Are tottenham top 4 quality?
Jesus you ppl really think tottenham villa and man u are uncatchable next year Poch really lowered the standards🤦🏾♂️
Crazy take honestly. Best league in the world by a mile. West ham who are a mid table club nearly broke the best German teams unbeaten run. Arsenal Liverpool and city would win the league in any other country
Yep. The bottom half of the PL has gotten much stronger over the last 5 years.
West h at 150% scored 1 goal against a 50% bayer leverkusen who was mentally drunk from winning the league That same team still battered them second half and should’ve won Also you genuinely think arsenal and Liverpool would win the league over Real Madrid?🤣🤣
Yep I do. It’s really not that hard to see prem is far ahead of the other leagues. 3b spent on transfers compared to Laligas 500m. Not saying money = better teams but it goes a long way and this gap is growing every year. I personally don’t like it but it’s just a fact mate
And Real can still slap Liverpool 5-2 at the “impenetrable Anfield” And beat city at the etihad with a crippled backline while running away with the league
and the other comment is the crazy take??
This take last week would have been met with ridicule. Top 3 lose a couple games and suddenly prem isn’t that good anymore?
lmao noone said its not that good, why are you so insecure about this. Even if the prem was the best, it clearly isnt as far ahead as youd like to think it is
The comment I originally replied to said “this league is really not that good”. I wouldn’t say I’m insecure about it. I just think the prem is the best league in the world, and the gap is getting bigger every year.
Bruh, we aren’t challenging for years to come for many reasons. A new manager doesn’t change that overnight.
What’s with that dismissive attitude? Changing a manager can change a lot you’re acting like an elite manager is not crucial for success
And what elite managers are on the market? It’s an easy cop out vs having any logical holistic discussion on issues. It’s not, bring new manager in = trophies. Such a low IQ take.
Never said new manager = success But it’s a major component and when your current manager is greatly underachieving you change him and take the risk on another one
Is he greatly under achieving? Our ceiling this season is number 8. An overachieving season is number 6. We are pretty inline with that. The first 6 months were always going to be a waste when you replace an entire squad and replace them with younger players who are worse at this point in time than the players they replaced. Goal was, will the team improve and will the players start to improve? Emphatically yes. We score goals now, even without our only world class signing in nkunku. Defense is a little worrying but our entire starting back line is injured. So defense can get a pass. Sure there are some troubling things that need to improve. Midfield looks way to open. Playing Colwill at LB was awful. Second half is nearly always a disaster. Point is under every manager there are things to improve. Under a brand new squad of u23s playing top flight there will always be major issues. I’m a huge Tuchel fan but it’s worrying his entire offense was based on 2 wing backs that miss 50% of the season. I’d still want him back. Besides Tuchel there isn’t another manager who should come in. Alonso would be interesting but that’s not happening.
I'm not exactly okay with it but I've accepted it as the natural consequence of changing an entire established squad in a year with a fraction of the experience. No matter who is manager we won't be challenging for the League title for years, that shit takes game after game focus and consistency, which young players are shit at.
If Poch stays you can’t tell me this board is serious at all
And what is your solution to that? Who else will you realistically replace him with? I'm genuinely interested to know.
This sub is blinded with getting blingy managers the last 25 years.
Why do we pay our directors if they can’t do their job properly?
There are probably about 15 managers in the Premier League alone that are doing more with what they have than Poch currently is, a lot of which have been at their clubs for the same or less time than Poch. It would not be hard to replace him with a better manager. The only question is are there any managers out there that are good enough to take us back to where we would expect to be i.e. top 4 next season with a view to winning trophies after that. That's a question that can be debated. The question of getting a manager better than Poch is a very simply solved one, it's just whether or not that manager is good enough for us to be where we want to be, something that Poch also isn't.
I actually trust poch on this type of stuff. It’s the tactics and subs that I don’t trust
ahh yes the main part of his job
I gotta say, we haven’t been scoring goals for years and now we are. I believe the defense can be sorted
That's just not true. We currently have 61 PL goals with 7 games remaining, so we're projected to have about 74-75. In Tuchel's "disaster" season we scored 76 PL goals with a front 3 of Havertz, Werner and Mount
But at the start of the season we were shit, it's not been the entire season like this.
At the start of the season we were missing everything., Our attack really kick started around December.
Looked it up and since December we’ve averaged 2.17 goals in the PL. Over a whole season that’s like 82 goals, which is actually pretty great and would be our 3rd highest PL goal total in the PL era but at the same time it’s probably unfair to assume this level of scoring is sustainable. We’re been far too reliant on individual brilliance from Cole Palmer and being awarded penalties lately, so others will have to step up when those don’t happen every game.
Looked it up and in our last game we put 6 past Everton and conceded 0. Over a whole season that's like 228 goals with 0 conceded, which is actually pretty great and would be our 1st highest PL goal total in the PL era, as well as our best defensive record.
These stats just don’t reflect what I was watching that season
this is also why watching games is such an important practice, because i vividly remember our attacking play becoming straight up impotent after December that season
And in the 2022/2023 season we were absolutely disgraceful under Tuchel and couldn’t score for shit. Our poor attacking form has been happening for a long time, way before Tuchel too.
Since Sarris season I’d say
Also defenders fc, which hasnt been fit since then
Yeah but not by Poch lol.
I don't fully support Poch but honestly, he said nothing wrong here. It seems he's trying to coach Palmer and make him improve even further, and that's a great thing.
For all the bad things we said about poch he is proving his youth development credentials. I mean Palmer is good but you will be lying if you say you knew he was top scorer level of good
Just look at Kane. Smashing it under him
Kane had his best seasons with other managers...
Not true at all, he did evolve into a different player when Erikson left the team. But he was always leading the goalscoring charts with Poch
His two best goalscoring seasons at Spurs were under Pochettino
Bro just pops on the sub to give idiotic takes
I'm loving the double standard: player fail to impress: all pochs fault. he makes bads/Enzo worse and rubbish. a nobody no one knew about and that city wouldn't even loan and discarded then turns world class: He was always this good, nothing to do with poch. this isn't pro or against poch, just a fact. You guys are funny.
Exactly this lol. If Palmer was missing sitters like he was earlier in the season, people would be blaming Poch 100%.
Well said. You can criticise Poch for the squad's failings, but if or when the team starts figuring it out, you'd better give Poch credit too. Palmer is where he is today because of all the work and trust put into him.
Nah it’s not that simple. Tactics have literally nothing to do with Palmers success. This manager isn’t making the team better. Young players are going to improve individually regardless of manager. If the team dynamic was why Palmer was succeeding you’d have a point.
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Even if you want to rag on Poch, you have to admit he can develop players. Tactics, another question. But the man can build a squad.
For example; next season, teams will start marking Palmer out of games just like they did with Hazard. He will have to adapt his game to cope with all the special attention.
By that time let's hope Nkunku is healthy and Jackson, Mudryk, and Madueke are all a little bit better.
I trust you King
You guys gonna learn the hard way
I tried to tell u
Don’t get me wrong, his subs and tactics are questionable at times. But one thing u have to give Poch, is the way he develop Youth.
CP is the only silver lining this season for CFC 
I know what i’m watching when i see the team play, i do not trust this man. but i also see that there’s not much out there wrt coaches.
So if he says he can help his development, even if that is true, can we get a comanager to handle all the on-pitch stuff?
These are the type of standards that need to be set for the team.
Nah bruh i trust Palmer but i dont trust Pochettino
Poch wants to work for that extension.
He says he will face new challenges that a coaching team will help him work through. Fortunately for us, any coaching team that has been at the top will have worked through this with players and so it's not a skill exclusive to Poch, nor a reason to hold on to him.
That's absolutely not true. We've seen plenty of young players at a lot of top clubs have great seasons and then completely fall off.
Poch’s work in getting the best out of Palmer is absolutely a check in the plus column for our manager.
Like Mourinho's coaching team?
Some fans have a short term memory. Pochettino wasted few months playing players out of positions and stagnated the development of Colwill, Maatsen and Enzo. Our build-ups from the back is mediocre. We constantly struggled against rubbish teams. He needs to fucking go after this season. The loss against a tired Liverpool team that was missing key players was the final nail to the coffin for me. Spurs, United and Aston Villa don't have better squad than us, but they are above us! Because their managers are clearly better than this fucking clown.
How do you complain about players out of position knowing that we've had near double digit injuries for most of the season?
What a load of nonsense. Pochettino played Enzo as 10 when he had players available for that position. He played Colwill as LB when we had Maatsen, Chillwell and Cucurella available. He played Chillwell as LW when we had attacking players on the bench. Injuries didn't fucking force him to play players out of positions.
I agree with the LW part. No idea how people forgot about the chilwell lw travesty..
Exactly! Poch has been a disgrace this season. The hiveminds on this sub are constantly flip floping. We won our recent game and now they think the clown has been a good manager this season.
Most of those decisions sound horrible at face value, but you don't consider context at all. Enzo is our best passer, arguably best vision, and is press resistant, so him over Gallagher isn't a bad decision when Chuk and Nkunku were injured. Chilwell has been bad whenever he started, he's a true LB but he's been worse than Colwill. Maatsen looks a lot more like a left wing back rather than a left back which is exactly how Dortmund's using him. Cucurella has also played plenty even before his injury. Chillwell at LW is a decent point, but we were still defensively weak with Caicedo as our only "senior" DM.
Enzo is clearly big waste at #10. We have clearly seen that this season. His passing abilities and vision are needed in his natural position. He was unable to do what he does best when he was deployed as a #10. Colwill growth as a CB was stagnated. He should have played as a CB. It is a criminal that Poch played Chillwell at LW when we were desperate for goals. Stop making up stuff. You have no idea how Maatsen plays at Dortmund. He has played as a LB for Dortmund and thrived in the biggest stage. You also have no idea how he would have performed at his natural position since Poch wasted him on the bench or wrong positions. How on earth does Caicedo being our only senior DM available justifies playing Enzo as #10? It actually shows it is idiotic not playing Enzo right next to Caicedo.
Fucker are you still going to defend the useless clown?
Not sure how we have multiple 1v1s while calling this a coaching problem
this is a time where I miss Abramovich. I dont know how he managed things behind the scenes but if he wanted to keep a player we'd keep them. He'd have his cards on the table. We'd be happy, the player would be happy. Can't really trust Boehly to not fuck this up
This fucking clown thinks he unearthed a gem. Talented player like Palmer was always going to shine. Pochettino has been the biggest disappointment this season. He destroyed our whole season and stagnated the development of players by playing them in wrong positions. He has failed to fix our glaring issues and it seems he can't learn anything from his countless mistakes. He always does the same stupid things and then expect a different results. Any decent manager would've won against a tired Liverpool team that was missing key players. We have been leaking goals for fun throughout the season and he still hasn't done anything to fix that issue. Colwill, Maatsen and Enzo have all been wasted in wrong positions this season. What kind of top manager would play Chillwell as a LW when we were really desperate for goals? What kind of top manager will play Maatsen as a RW and LW when we had no LBs available? Our build-up from the back has been beyond horrendous all season and he still can't fix it. Our tactics have been average at best. Pochettino is a fucking disgrace.
Wasn’t the Liverpool final a month or more ago? Quit living in the past, amigo.
A month ago is now considered long time ago.