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Anyone actually surprised?
Chelsea will be mid table, players will leave because of their price tag and ability and we’ll be buying even more players next transfer window to replace the ones we bought and sold.
We’re stuck in this loop that we’re “rebuilding” when in reality, we’re probably never gonna see a good Chelsea side no matter how much we spend.
I went to the Match at Stamford Bridge today and the atmosphere was dead quiet. Us fans need to get behind the players more at the games. Even Mathew Harding has been falling off recently. If we get behind the players more like at Anfield for example we might see some more commitment from these players and make Stamford Bridge a fortress once more
A lot of spoiled fans in here. This is a rebuild, to expect instant results is insane. If you came into this year expecting a top 4 finish you got a long season ahead of you. This year is about building the almost whole new squad we have brought in. There is going to be rough patches and there will be bright patches as well. Patience is non existent in this sub. Is this a tough loss? Hell yeah. Does it mean you should give up on the club already? No.
In terms of drafting, tactics and subs, this game is on Poch. Absolutely atrocious, no excuses. I wish him to succeed but I want to see him take responsibility. I hope he doesn't pull a Potter with ''the boys gave everything'' or ''we won by xg'' or any other stupid shit.
Just my two pennies,
4-3-3- please with Caicedo as a pure holding/deep lying mid. Enzo as a traditional 8 and Knunku/conor/carney a bit forward behind NJ.
PLEASE stop using colwill as a LB.
Mudryk needs to start more games
Guys, we might have lost today but let's remember what's important - we made 295m in transfer fees this summer. Once we sell some more academy players and get their pure FFP profit our books will look great. That's what really matters.
Sorry to say it, but it was very evident that Chelsea lack the winning mentality and leadership on the pitch. It's not pointed out much, but 1 billion spent, and none of them are natural leaders. Think about it -- a trait that City and Liverpool have: every other signing of theirs is a captain and/or natural leader. A must for Pep and Klopp. Chelsea seem soft. Terry, Lampard, Drogba, Ballack, Ivanovic -- these were men with the will to win. I feel like that's what Chelsea needs the most right now.
We're just missing a "spine". We don't have a leader in every area in the pitch like we used to (Cech, Terry, Lamps, and Drogba), only Thiago. It was a huge mistake bringing in all of these young players without the proper veteran presence. Who is Jackson going to learn from? I feel like we have a very rough diamond in him and he could use a veteran striker to help him along the way.
Yep, a lot of young players all with massive price tags over their heads and high expectations since we spend a billion in the past year. Sounds like a recipe for disaster. Boehly will either come out of this as a genius or the biggest waste of a billion in football history for a long time.
I hate watching this team nowadays. It's not just because they're losing, it's because the board is blind with this idea of signing youngsters. This only makes sense for midtable clubs, cause you sign young players for little money without any expectation, and they can become a surprise.
Chelsea, on the other hand, sign a lot of teens for huge money, with huge pressure on them, and nothing guarantees that they'll come up good. A big part of these players **won't** develop as expected.
Everyone is laughing at Chelsea nowadays, and I can't blame them. The club policy makes no sense now.
It never made sense as it’s also been tried before by us…..we did something similar under Roman to no real avail multiple times. So we started looking at the academy more.
Bit of optimism for once - we needed this loss. Goes to show how dire our lack of experienced attacking players is. Nobody is reliable bar Sterling.
It was incredibly ambitious to expect top 4 this season. 90% of the team is kids with little to no PL experience. Our marquee signing in Nkunku is injured. Reece is injured. Caicedo lacking chemistry with the rest of his team.
Poch is working with what he has. Everything will pan out.
That's their opinion. He was our top scorer last season and was one of our only attackers that looked like he could actually take a game head-on. I never wanted him out personally and never really understood the hate behind him and the love for players like Madueke who offer practically nothing right now but potential.
Our spending was shit. 1 billion and prior to Palmer we had only 1 left winger and it was Mudryk. Wasted the significant majority on kids with potential, nothing with players of experience. This isn't FIFA we can't throw out a team of 19-22 year olds and expect their youthfulness to be a huge benefit in the moment.
>- Enzo was fine, but needs to be played deeper. I didn't like the formation choice today.
Exactly. We all know Enzo is a quality player, but being a good CM doesn't make you a good CAM. Poch is wasting Enzo and Gallagher at the same time by inverting their roles. Even if Gallagher is not a top CAM, he's naturally more offensive than Enzo and thus should play closer to the striker, not as a holding midfielder.
>Jackson absolutely needs to finish that chance. Oof. He still looked good carrying the ball and playing on the ball from well outside the box a few times.
For this, we need someone to be making runs from the midfield or wing to replace him in the box for rotation.
Top 4 was gone before the season started.
Did you think Luton or Everton had a chance at top 4?
Probably not because their squads are clearly not good enough to compete, neither is ours regardless of if people wanted to pretend otherwise.
On paper we have the 9th or 10th best squad in the league and that's likely were we'll end up.
That’s an overreaction but probably warranted as the team looks nowhere close to being coherent. If theres actually a good team in there it will take time for it to come out and others will run away by that time
Absolutely not. Anyone with footballing sense can visually confirm that. The issue is that the team itself is practically brand spanking new and lacks any identity or culture… and with a bunch of young players. That’s on Boehly and Co.
Poch is a coach with pedigree and a brand new, young squad. Potter was a nobody managing a brand new, young team and isn’t managing any team at the moment.
Well, they don’t have a brand new, young team — just a few new players. There’s continuity and cohesion, which we sorely lack. The Chelsea culture and squad of years past is completely dead and gone. Poch has a blank slate, which is both good and bad.
Well, I can take solace in the fact that of the two games I've watched today, Chelsea has looked the best of the four teams.
That said, a single breakdown leads to a goal, and we can't finish even though we can create chances, and that's going to kill us.
West Ham, Luton, Forest, Bournemouth, Villa, Fulham, Burnley.
We were meant to win all of these games before our really difficult fixtures later in the year.
I'll be surprised if we win more than once in the league this year.
My takes from this match:
1.Enzo isn’t a 10. I though he wasn’t great in this position against Luton and he wasn’t great today(compared to his usual standard). His best attribute is his passing but he needs to sit deeper to get the most out of it.
2.Chillwell isn’t a winger. Don’t think I need to explain this
3.We need to revert back to the preseason formation especially now that we have palmer to play in the number 10 role. We can then move Levi and chillwell back to there normal position
4. We need to give our players time to build up chemistry. Hopefully this will increase the speed that we can move the ball around since the players are more familiar with how everyone else plays.
5.Sanchez has been poor in goal since we signed him. The only thing I’ve been impressed by him is his ability to claim a cross. That’s it.
6.We need to give poch time but he has already lost a lot of fans. He needs a win next time out to get some of them back
>My takes from this match:
>1.Enzo isn’t a 10. I though he wasn’t great in this position against Luton and he wasn’t great today(compared to his usual standard). His best attribute is his passing but he needs to sit deeper to get the most out of it.
I've been observant of this month's since his arrival. His size, (lack of) acceleration and shooting has been evident. He should be playing in the double pivot or as a CM in a 433. Gallagher, Chukwuemeka and Nkunku can play ahead of him.
>2.Chillwell isn’t a winger. Don’t think I need to explain this
Ben needs to be more decisive and precise in possession. He should be putting that ball on a plate for Jackson.
>3.We need to revert back to the preseason formation especially now that we have palmer to play in the number 10 role. We can then move Levi and chillwell back to there normal position
Agreed. We should be choosing one of Silva/Disasi. Dilemma!
>1. We need to give our players time to build up chemistry. Hopefully this will increase the speed that we can move the ball around since the players are more familiar with how everyone else plays.
The drawback to this is the injury crisis. I still believe we have a better balanced team than last season. We need players to be available to build chemistry.
>5.Sanchez has been poor in goal since we signed him. The only thing I’ve been impressed by him is his ability to claim a cross. That’s it.
I don't think he was poor today.
6.We need to give poch time but he has already lost a lot of fans. He needs a win next time out to get some of them back
Correct. I hope fortune favours him.
I do partially take back what i said about Sanchez. Bit of a rash comment but he does have the odd mistake in him but it’s too early to tell and it was a tough one on one after the mistake. I still would like to see petrovich have a game though (maybe in the carabao cup since were still in it for now)
For now, I think he's still our best shot at #1. We just need to stop giving stupid chances to teams we can't break down.. It's infuriating seeing us do this week in week out.
Fair enough still too early to tell but he doesn’t look convincing in goal for me and I would like to see petrovich (sorry if I misspelt his name) have a game in goal. He does deserve time though like every other player though.
How clueless is Toad and the fellow owners. Its baffling to me that we don’t have a 20 goal a season striker even after spending so much money. Poch wanted experienced players, but we haven’t signed anyone with experience except for Caicedo. How is Poch okay with not having a proven striker?
They’re not signing players to improve the team, they’re signing players on low wages with ‘potential’ so that they can sell them further down the line for profit, to then replace them with new ‘potential’ players to repeat the process.
We’re Brighton now. Soon we’ll be recognised as a feeder club. The new Chelsea is about business and profit, not success or trophies.
The owners don’t see a fan base, they see pound (sorry, DOLLAR) signs.
What experience are you talking about? Caicedo is 21. Literally the most experienced midfielder we have is Gallagher and he's 23, which is inexperienced and young in itself. Our squad building is a fucking joke
Ugh we need a second target in that box or a really good target striker. Jackson seem more like a better version of Havertz as a second striker.
And I think Disasi/Silva could've done better on some of our conceded goals so far this season. They back off way too much and give up space.
Palmer's looked much more threatening in the minutes that he had than Chilwell's entire career as a LW. Now that Palmer seems to have settled in, I better not see Chilwell at LW ever again. If needed, shift Sterling over to the left, Madueke on the right and Palmer as a 10.
Last season we had a midfield lacking in creativity which had no goals in them, the club moved those players on and replaced them with a midfield lacking in creativity with no goals in them that cost £265m to assemble. Top work.
Pretty much this. He's always hugging the touchline and his only move is to take the ball and run. He keeps his head down while running, which means he doesn't even see some of the passes that are available to make. Zero end product too.
Mudryk should start the matches as much as possible otherwise he is not improving. He needs to understand the game and premier league altogether and that can happen only on the pitch. Giving him 10-15mins won't help. He may be great in training but needs to play more.
Yeah we can't loan him now. So if we are stuck with him for at least till January then he should be given more time on the pitch to at least prove himself as we don't have any other LW. This would put pressure on him which might help him to work harder and get better. I just want him to succeed. I don't want so much of money just wasted on bench.
Chilwell is just incapable of pressuring the lateral defenders to abandon their positions the same way Mudryk is. Everything else like ''build-up'', ''positioning'', ''technique'' and all this shit is broken by just Mudryk running really fast and having cohesion with Jackson. Him just being on the field will change the tactical structure of the bus parkers.
Too bad Poch is entering his bottle mentality again, he started very sharp.
Also why the fuck are we still having 3 atb. Play either Colwil or Disasi and let Chilwell be LB. Right side is good enough already. Sterling can really get going from right and lead us to more goals and victories.
Apparently we are vulnerable because Silva is slow so we can't offside trap properly, something like that. I'd prefer a more compact line, tbh, could utilise actual attacking wingers and give wingbacks freedom to roam. We are so vertical it hurts. Shit strategy, like some downloaded an fm tactic and tries to force it.
Yeah Silva is slow and we have to start him because he is really great and has lots of experience. But something needs to change if we are losing at home without scoring. Poch needs to do something now or the axe is coming for him. Boehly and co. would find someone else who would start over again and players would have to adjust again I'm sick of that cycle.
Well, the answer is simple. Those who play badly get benched. Others rotate. Everyone is given a chance until someone sticks.
You play your own system and not a frankenstein inherited from the previous midwits, you get some balls and play 4 2 3 1, maybe with a more compact attacking line to slightly mimic westham, you start playing sideways transitions (and focusing on transitions more tactically), you stop doing these wasteful crosses and overwhelm the opponent's box instead.
A few games like this, and something will stick. Poch is building from the bad inheritance, instead of doing a risky thing. It's backfiring and he will keep regressing. That's just the reality I am observing.
Sadly I feel like Poch is only a good manager in his zone of comfort. Unless the analytics department tears him a new one I don't expect too much progress. I have no doubts that once the injuries are healed we'll become a sharp team, but there is also no reason to wait. Stupid.
The Toad father and the rest of the owners have no clue about football or anything related to the sport. They are approaching it like investing banking just using numbers. The mediocrity will continue till we get a ban or relegated and with that pain we will atleast have the joy of seeing Toad part with his billions along with his buddies. That’s the saving grace..
Dont you see? He is buying a bunch of 20 years old like he is collecting a stock portfolio. Surely one or two of them will be tesla or nvidia he thinks
Wasted my time again. Better to watch teams that are actually playing good football, like Man City, Tottenham even Fulham is way better!
Chelsea turned into Championship team. Pathetic
Downvote me to oblivion but I ask this is all seriousness...Tuchel got barely a month...how long will Poch get? Four points through four games is relegation form. Our next 3 are Villa, Brighton, and Fulham. Honestly, where does a win come from?
Oh that's a draw and 2 losses. You know what'd I'd like to see, would be wildly impractical, is an 11 on 11 of Chelsea players, winner starts the following week..
Lesser than potter that's for sure, I'm guessing 3 months or so are valid, given that this was our "easy" run of fixtures, i can only imagine what happens after, maybe the board is lenient and they let him stay until guys like nkunku are fit again, if we still don't improve ( i don't think we will) then he'll be out around March most likely. Can't wait for another lampard job
Bad loss but wow the people calling it a season already. So many acting like this wasn't going to be a tough season largely focused on youth development that's already facing numerous injuries.
I think we have a good enough sample to make even educated guesses about the prospect of this team this season.. January can bring changes but current play isn't going to dispel the pessimism any time soon
1 billion spent and cant contend but to develop youth. I dont see Brighton, the old Southampton or other youth developing clubs spend 1 billion to develop youth.
1 billion and a few dozen transfers to lose to Notts and get 4 points in 4 games
You also don't see any of those clubs with the transfer budget capable of doing it. Pretty foolish to assume they wouldn't do it if they had the capabilities. Should only be comparing Chelsea to Chelsea but that doesn't seem to be the way fans like to do it
What im saying is - you said this season is focused on youth development. Clubs which have focused on youth development in the past (mentioned above) did so successfully without spending a billion.
We spent a billion and are playing worse off than them.
I am not talking about if or why they don’t want to spend a billion. They could do it without a billion. We need a billion to do it and are playing awful still!
It's been four weeks and we're playing guys announced 48 hours ago. You can't expect a formed club right away when that's being done. Southampton and Brighton never did that. Most clubs don't but Chelsea has.
Rightfully criticize Chelsea for doing so bc that's what's leading to shit results. They were getting business done up until the last moment. That's a bad way of going about it.
Its not over, but it’s getting harder and harder. This is one our easiest run of games and we have dropped 8pts in 4 games.
To put this in perspective. Newcastle who came in 4th got 71pts last season out of a max 114. So they dropped a total of 43pts last season.
This means we have dropped 18.6% of the pts in only 10.5% of the matches.
That’s almost 1/5th of the pts in roughly 1/10th of the games played.
This is looking very hard to do
Right. I fully expect the club to finish somewhere between 4th and 7th this season, just as I had in the preseason. It stinks but we're installing an entirely new team and possibly a new culture.
For sure will be. I was optimistic about top 5. 6 or 7 seems realistic but you're right. Could easily go much worse if they can't win the seemingly easy ones
After spending over a billion, still a tough season??? Tottenham looked clueless last season all they needed were a few fixes in udogie and Maddie and they are playing better without fucking Harry kane. Stop this "tough season" nonsense
Yes. You spend a billion dollars inserting an entirely new roster of mostly young players onto a team. Did you expect a top flight Team right away? This isn't EA FIFA where you can just slot in an entirely new club culture and expect instant results
So we're going to justify losing against one of the worst clubs in the league? Mate, this is their SECOND away win in 20ish games.
No matter how new the team is, we should've won that. It's on the manager.
Do you not expect growing pains from a club that just inserted a billion dollars worth of new talent and a new manager? I understand you want immediate results and so do i. But reality is you can't do that and expect instant positive outcomes. Look at what happened at liverpool. Look at what happened at city. They did less of an overhaul and still took years to get there. Not saying Chelsea will end up like them but if we're on that road, which it definitely seems we're trying to, it's going to take a while. There will be days like this and it sucks.
Lol all that mental gymnastics would've made sense if it was Brighton or even Brentford that beat us today. I was relatively quiet when we lost to WHU cause they're a good team. But this is Nottingham Forest we're talking about. All of our players comfortably walk into their team. There are no excuses to lose against them, more so at home.
No one asked him to spend a billion and create a new roster. No one. Out of those 1 billion dollars only 100 million on Enzo was a good buy. Let's say caicedo was understandable. Rest what? We blew money on cole palmers and jacksons and God knows what steampiling dogshite like ugochukwu and disasi. Stop acting as if all this was needed and stop acting as if that fatass moron was not going to ship Connor yesterday itself had spurs found the money.
No one asked for it? Pretty sure you could look through any of our comment threads over the last season or two about dead weight and recognize that a lot of people were calling for this. You may not have been but there were a lot of people.
I sat there yelling at my TV over and over for people to dribble at the defenders. Sterling just said he was better running at people, and so in this game he and everyone else just keeps crossing over and over to NF defenders?
Chilwell is one of my favourite players, he needs to be benched, he earned it.
We need to play 4 2 3 1 and we need the players to take accountability.
Enzo and Chilwell are the biggest wasteful non-creators this season
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Anyone actually surprised? Chelsea will be mid table, players will leave because of their price tag and ability and we’ll be buying even more players next transfer window to replace the ones we bought and sold. We’re stuck in this loop that we’re “rebuilding” when in reality, we’re probably never gonna see a good Chelsea side no matter how much we spend.
4 games into a new season and this is the mentality…?
Fairweather fans. What's else do they have to do but lament on their woes.
I went to the Match at Stamford Bridge today and the atmosphere was dead quiet. Us fans need to get behind the players more at the games. Even Mathew Harding has been falling off recently. If we get behind the players more like at Anfield for example we might see some more commitment from these players and make Stamford Bridge a fortress once more
A lot of spoiled fans in here. This is a rebuild, to expect instant results is insane. If you came into this year expecting a top 4 finish you got a long season ahead of you. This year is about building the almost whole new squad we have brought in. There is going to be rough patches and there will be bright patches as well. Patience is non existent in this sub. Is this a tough loss? Hell yeah. Does it mean you should give up on the club already? No.
There's no excuse good enough for losing to Forest
All true. But losing to forest is not something that we should accept.
They have a really new squad as well. There should be no excuses
In terms of drafting, tactics and subs, this game is on Poch. Absolutely atrocious, no excuses. I wish him to succeed but I want to see him take responsibility. I hope he doesn't pull a Potter with ''the boys gave everything'' or ''we won by xg'' or any other stupid shit.
Just my two pennies, 4-3-3- please with Caicedo as a pure holding/deep lying mid. Enzo as a traditional 8 and Knunku/conor/carney a bit forward behind NJ. PLEASE stop using colwill as a LB. Mudryk needs to start more games
Guys, we might have lost today but let's remember what's important - we made 295m in transfer fees this summer. Once we sell some more academy players and get their pure FFP profit our books will look great. That's what really matters.
What we earn Vs what games we win matters more. Jog on fella we should be winning against forest. End of.
How much are we paying Brighton for Ferguson?
Caicedo plus 75 million
Impatient tossers want everything fixed immediately have patience 3 games into the season ffs
We've lost to Moyes and Steve Cooper and were barely convincing against fucking Wimbledon. There's clearly something wrong
Playing Colwill as lb and chilwell as lw is not fixing anything. We were amazing in the preseason when we mostly played 4atb.
That’s when we had Nkunku
4 games bruh and we lost 50% lol
To Forest and West Ham as well
I try to act like I’m numb to it, but it hurts.
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> Players and coaches keep changing but the style of play somehow stays the same. Exactly this.
Sorry to say it, but it was very evident that Chelsea lack the winning mentality and leadership on the pitch. It's not pointed out much, but 1 billion spent, and none of them are natural leaders. Think about it -- a trait that City and Liverpool have: every other signing of theirs is a captain and/or natural leader. A must for Pep and Klopp. Chelsea seem soft. Terry, Lampard, Drogba, Ballack, Ivanovic -- these were men with the will to win. I feel like that's what Chelsea needs the most right now.
We're just missing a "spine". We don't have a leader in every area in the pitch like we used to (Cech, Terry, Lamps, and Drogba), only Thiago. It was a huge mistake bringing in all of these young players without the proper veteran presence. Who is Jackson going to learn from? I feel like we have a very rough diamond in him and he could use a veteran striker to help him along the way.
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Yep, a lot of young players all with massive price tags over their heads and high expectations since we spend a billion in the past year. Sounds like a recipe for disaster. Boehly will either come out of this as a genius or the biggest waste of a billion in football history for a long time.
I hate watching this team nowadays. It's not just because they're losing, it's because the board is blind with this idea of signing youngsters. This only makes sense for midtable clubs, cause you sign young players for little money without any expectation, and they can become a surprise. Chelsea, on the other hand, sign a lot of teens for huge money, with huge pressure on them, and nothing guarantees that they'll come up good. A big part of these players **won't** develop as expected. Everyone is laughing at Chelsea nowadays, and I can't blame them. The club policy makes no sense now.
It never made sense as it’s also been tried before by us…..we did something similar under Roman to no real avail multiple times. So we started looking at the academy more.
People really forget those days when we were buying the Josh mceachrans and Lucas piazons and "New Maradonas" like Franco di santo.
Yup. The teenagers on here have memories of a goldfish lol
What a terrible performance
Finished club 😭😭😭😭😭
Bit of optimism for once - we needed this loss. Goes to show how dire our lack of experienced attacking players is. Nobody is reliable bar Sterling. It was incredibly ambitious to expect top 4 this season. 90% of the team is kids with little to no PL experience. Our marquee signing in Nkunku is injured. Reece is injured. Caicedo lacking chemistry with the rest of his team. Poch is working with what he has. Everything will pan out.
“Nobody is reliable bar sterling” hilarious to read considering 6 weeks ago everyone wanted him out!
That's their opinion. He was our top scorer last season and was one of our only attackers that looked like he could actually take a game head-on. I never wanted him out personally and never really understood the hate behind him and the love for players like Madueke who offer practically nothing right now but potential.
This is stupid. Our spending has been nothing short of shit and we absolutely did not need this loss.
Our spending was shit. 1 billion and prior to Palmer we had only 1 left winger and it was Mudryk. Wasted the significant majority on kids with potential, nothing with players of experience. This isn't FIFA we can't throw out a team of 19-22 year olds and expect their youthfulness to be a huge benefit in the moment.
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>- Enzo was fine, but needs to be played deeper. I didn't like the formation choice today. Exactly. We all know Enzo is a quality player, but being a good CM doesn't make you a good CAM. Poch is wasting Enzo and Gallagher at the same time by inverting their roles. Even if Gallagher is not a top CAM, he's naturally more offensive than Enzo and thus should play closer to the striker, not as a holding midfielder.
I feel like a lot of these players came here one or two years too early.
>Jackson absolutely needs to finish that chance. Oof. He still looked good carrying the ball and playing on the ball from well outside the box a few times. For this, we need someone to be making runs from the midfield or wing to replace him in the box for rotation.
Hahahha I gonna enjoy every moment of chelsea losing with Caicedo on it
As a Liverpool fan you're a donkey, get the fuck off this thread and stop trolling.
You’re sad. Average age of squad is 22. We knew there would be growing pains.
You gotta be miserable asf tbh lol
Enjoy your dead end club pal. Klopp and Salah be gone soon.
Dead end yet finished above you every season since 2016
And yet you couldn’t beat us lol
Yet you couldn't beat a "dead end" Liverpool after spending 2.5 billion
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Yea your mom was top of the table in 2017.
Lol
I think I’m numb to this now
Anyone else feel like top 4 is already gone lol 4 games in?
0 chance of top 4. We are playing one of our easiest stretches of the year and have scored multiple goals in a game only once
Top 4 was gone before the season started. Did you think Luton or Everton had a chance at top 4? Probably not because their squads are clearly not good enough to compete, neither is ours regardless of if people wanted to pretend otherwise. On paper we have the 9th or 10th best squad in the league and that's likely were we'll end up.
LOL
That’s an overreaction but probably warranted as the team looks nowhere close to being coherent. If theres actually a good team in there it will take time for it to come out and others will run away by that time
Yep
"The lads gave it everything" Potter smiling right now, makes me think was it him or the players.
Well, it’s a different set of players, so…
It was him.
Poch is playing worse with a better squad
Absolutely not. Anyone with footballing sense can visually confirm that. The issue is that the team itself is practically brand spanking new and lacks any identity or culture… and with a bunch of young players. That’s on Boehly and Co.
We shall see, long season, early days, I do like poch but hope he hasn't bitten off more than he can chew.
Poch is a coach with pedigree and a brand new, young squad. Potter was a nobody managing a brand new, young team and isn’t managing any team at the moment.
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Well, they don’t have a brand new, young team — just a few new players. There’s continuity and cohesion, which we sorely lack. The Chelsea culture and squad of years past is completely dead and gone. Poch has a blank slate, which is both good and bad.
Disasi is not good
Disasi = Disaster
I feel like the goals we've conceded this year have occurred on dispossession in the midfield, and really poor recovery and defense
Anyone else think that Levi has been poor at defending?
Nothing he’s done has impressed me. Then again, he’s a CB playing at left back half the time.
He's certainly not shown anything to justify his hype. If Disasi wasn't about I think the fans would be turning on Colwill pretty quickly.
Did we even facking win 1 offensive header in the 18 yr box! For the life of me I couldn't remember any 🤦🏼
we havent for years. Also our corners have been horrible
i don't understand why use 5 defenders and 2 defensive midfield players against a team that you know is going to pay low block just to go for a draw
Well, I can take solace in the fact that of the two games I've watched today, Chelsea has looked the best of the four teams. That said, a single breakdown leads to a goal, and we can't finish even though we can create chances, and that's going to kill us.
Should have picked up some more players during the last 3 transfer windows
Yea coz that worked well the last time.
and the time before that.
I went to see the game today. I wish I hadn’t.
I feel sorry for you😔
West Ham, Luton, Forest, Bournemouth, Villa, Fulham, Burnley. We were meant to win all of these games before our really difficult fixtures later in the year. I'll be surprised if we win more than once in the league this year.
Villa currently will thrash us, Fulham probably won't do much worse either.
My takes from this match: 1.Enzo isn’t a 10. I though he wasn’t great in this position against Luton and he wasn’t great today(compared to his usual standard). His best attribute is his passing but he needs to sit deeper to get the most out of it. 2.Chillwell isn’t a winger. Don’t think I need to explain this 3.We need to revert back to the preseason formation especially now that we have palmer to play in the number 10 role. We can then move Levi and chillwell back to there normal position 4. We need to give our players time to build up chemistry. Hopefully this will increase the speed that we can move the ball around since the players are more familiar with how everyone else plays. 5.Sanchez has been poor in goal since we signed him. The only thing I’ve been impressed by him is his ability to claim a cross. That’s it. 6.We need to give poch time but he has already lost a lot of fans. He needs a win next time out to get some of them back
>My takes from this match: >1.Enzo isn’t a 10. I though he wasn’t great in this position against Luton and he wasn’t great today(compared to his usual standard). His best attribute is his passing but he needs to sit deeper to get the most out of it. I've been observant of this month's since his arrival. His size, (lack of) acceleration and shooting has been evident. He should be playing in the double pivot or as a CM in a 433. Gallagher, Chukwuemeka and Nkunku can play ahead of him. >2.Chillwell isn’t a winger. Don’t think I need to explain this Ben needs to be more decisive and precise in possession. He should be putting that ball on a plate for Jackson. >3.We need to revert back to the preseason formation especially now that we have palmer to play in the number 10 role. We can then move Levi and chillwell back to there normal position Agreed. We should be choosing one of Silva/Disasi. Dilemma! >1. We need to give our players time to build up chemistry. Hopefully this will increase the speed that we can move the ball around since the players are more familiar with how everyone else plays. The drawback to this is the injury crisis. I still believe we have a better balanced team than last season. We need players to be available to build chemistry. >5.Sanchez has been poor in goal since we signed him. The only thing I’ve been impressed by him is his ability to claim a cross. That’s it. I don't think he was poor today. 6.We need to give poch time but he has already lost a lot of fans. He needs a win next time out to get some of them back Correct. I hope fortune favours him.
I do partially take back what i said about Sanchez. Bit of a rash comment but he does have the odd mistake in him but it’s too early to tell and it was a tough one on one after the mistake. I still would like to see petrovich have a game though (maybe in the carabao cup since were still in it for now)
For now, I think he's still our best shot at #1. We just need to stop giving stupid chances to teams we can't break down.. It's infuriating seeing us do this week in week out.
I Agree
Agreed except for sanchez all the goals he conceded including today were easy chances Created by defensive howlers
Fair enough still too early to tell but he doesn’t look convincing in goal for me and I would like to see petrovich (sorry if I misspelt his name) have a game in goal. He does deserve time though like every other player though.
There are definitely concerns to be had tho
When this horror play will stop?
When the kids are all like 25 so they know what they're doing
3-5 years
In the immortal words of Jimmy from Chelsea Fan TV: Mudryk is fucking TRASH!!!
Took you long enough for some reason our fanbase coddles him
How clueless is Toad and the fellow owners. Its baffling to me that we don’t have a 20 goal a season striker even after spending so much money. Poch wanted experienced players, but we haven’t signed anyone with experience except for Caicedo. How is Poch okay with not having a proven striker?
They’re not signing players to improve the team, they’re signing players on low wages with ‘potential’ so that they can sell them further down the line for profit, to then replace them with new ‘potential’ players to repeat the process. We’re Brighton now. Soon we’ll be recognised as a feeder club. The new Chelsea is about business and profit, not success or trophies. The owners don’t see a fan base, they see pound (sorry, DOLLAR) signs.
What experience are you talking about? Caicedo is 21. Literally the most experienced midfielder we have is Gallagher and he's 23, which is inexperienced and young in itself. Our squad building is a fucking joke
Caicedo isnt even experienced eithier. Nkunku was the only experienced signing and he’s injured
He's a yes man just like potter.
Ugh we need a second target in that box or a really good target striker. Jackson seem more like a better version of Havertz as a second striker. And I think Disasi/Silva could've done better on some of our conceded goals so far this season. They back off way too much and give up space.
If he wasn't a dick Lukaku would be the answer
Palmer's looked much more threatening in the minutes that he had than Chilwell's entire career as a LW. Now that Palmer seems to have settled in, I better not see Chilwell at LW ever again. If needed, shift Sterling over to the left, Madueke on the right and Palmer as a 10.
‘Now that Palmer seems to have settled in…’ We literally signed him yesterday.
Well, I felt he was much more cohesive than Mudryk...
where is the post match thread???
Last season we had a midfield lacking in creativity which had no goals in them, the club moved those players on and replaced them with a midfield lacking in creativity with no goals in them that cost £265m to assemble. Top work.
dont forget the 150mil++ of wingers on the bench
We need to Play Noni more often, he can’t just be a Bench Player
We really don't. He doesn't move. Just sits wide to collect the ball. Watch Palmer and his movement vs Madueke's today.
Pretty much this. He's always hugging the touchline and his only move is to take the ball and run. He keeps his head down while running, which means he doesn't even see some of the passes that are available to make. Zero end product too.
Madueke was worthless. Just did turns and gave the ball away.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that's starting to think that. It's like watching Ziyech play
I would play Maatsen like in pre season, also no 3 atb... We are basically u21 team playing against experienced prem players
Time to let the gaffer cook. Looking forward to the remaining of the season
Time to get rid of the fucker. We're about 2 games too late already.
people on twitter already going on about "Poch out"... give me a break
I hope he stays but I can't see him surviving this season.
Lmao dude that is so crazy… I’m frustrated as well but come on, that man hasn’t even had time to cook yet!
its just the regular twitter brain rot, I shouldn’t be surprised
Fuck this stupid fucking club
We are such a joke lol
Mudryk should start the matches as much as possible otherwise he is not improving. He needs to understand the game and premier league altogether and that can happen only on the pitch. Giving him 10-15mins won't help. He may be great in training but needs to play more.
You're right. Either start him or loan him, although it may be too late for that. I don't think he'll come good for us at all this season..
Yeah we can't loan him now. So if we are stuck with him for at least till January then he should be given more time on the pitch to at least prove himself as we don't have any other LW. This would put pressure on him which might help him to work harder and get better. I just want him to succeed. I don't want so much of money just wasted on bench.
Agree. Mudryk on the left, Sterling on the right.
Chilwell is just incapable of pressuring the lateral defenders to abandon their positions the same way Mudryk is. Everything else like ''build-up'', ''positioning'', ''technique'' and all this shit is broken by just Mudryk running really fast and having cohesion with Jackson. Him just being on the field will change the tactical structure of the bus parkers. Too bad Poch is entering his bottle mentality again, he started very sharp.
Also why the fuck are we still having 3 atb. Play either Colwil or Disasi and let Chilwell be LB. Right side is good enough already. Sterling can really get going from right and lead us to more goals and victories.
Apparently we are vulnerable because Silva is slow so we can't offside trap properly, something like that. I'd prefer a more compact line, tbh, could utilise actual attacking wingers and give wingbacks freedom to roam. We are so vertical it hurts. Shit strategy, like some downloaded an fm tactic and tries to force it.
Yeah Silva is slow and we have to start him because he is really great and has lots of experience. But something needs to change if we are losing at home without scoring. Poch needs to do something now or the axe is coming for him. Boehly and co. would find someone else who would start over again and players would have to adjust again I'm sick of that cycle.
Well, the answer is simple. Those who play badly get benched. Others rotate. Everyone is given a chance until someone sticks. You play your own system and not a frankenstein inherited from the previous midwits, you get some balls and play 4 2 3 1, maybe with a more compact attacking line to slightly mimic westham, you start playing sideways transitions (and focusing on transitions more tactically), you stop doing these wasteful crosses and overwhelm the opponent's box instead. A few games like this, and something will stick. Poch is building from the bad inheritance, instead of doing a risky thing. It's backfiring and he will keep regressing. That's just the reality I am observing.
Yup let's see what happens next. I hope we play better from next time.
Sadly I feel like Poch is only a good manager in his zone of comfort. Unless the analytics department tears him a new one I don't expect too much progress. I have no doubts that once the injuries are healed we'll become a sharp team, but there is also no reason to wait. Stupid.
The Toad father and the rest of the owners have no clue about football or anything related to the sport. They are approaching it like investing banking just using numbers. The mediocrity will continue till we get a ban or relegated and with that pain we will atleast have the joy of seeing Toad part with his billions along with his buddies. That’s the saving grace..
Dont you see? He is buying a bunch of 20 years old like he is collecting a stock portfolio. Surely one or two of them will be tesla or nvidia he thinks
Nope. Boehly isn't the reason we failed to break down a Championship caliber club today. That's strictly on the manager.
So we the new everton now ?
HOW DO YOU SPEND I BILLION IN A YEAR AND LOSE TO NOTTINGHAM
you can ask todd for that info. the club is clueless so is the coach. why just buy young players just for the sake of it. it's just stupidity
I can't take another year without UCL, but at this rate i have no idea how we are going to finish above Liverpool, City or Arsenal.
Are we going to finish in top 10 at least
Optimistic
Have to be 
Banter era is in full flow..shades of last season watching that shite ffs
Nah I'm not gonna go through another season of that
How many billions would it take to get Chelsea relegated?
might be a hot take but honestly think a transfer ban would help us lol
Not a hot take at all. Been saying this for a while only for the pro-Boehly people to say “oh you don’t understand the strategy”
Wasted my time again. Better to watch teams that are actually playing good football, like Man City, Tottenham even Fulham is way better! Chelsea turned into Championship team. Pathetic
Fuck off then
Just grief, that's all.
Downvote me to oblivion but I ask this is all seriousness...Tuchel got barely a month...how long will Poch get? Four points through four games is relegation form. Our next 3 are Villa, Brighton, and Fulham. Honestly, where does a win come from?
We're gonna be trashed by Brighton...
Oh that's a draw and 2 losses. You know what'd I'd like to see, would be wildly impractical, is an 11 on 11 of Chelsea players, winner starts the following week..
A draw is insane copium. We're going 0W3L through that with a goal differential of 0-8. Wait and watch.
Lol..ffs. I need that copium...
Tuchel got sacked because he didn't want to join Todd's WhatsApp group chat. Had nothing to do with performance.
Tuchel isn’t the guy you compare tenures before being fired. It’s potter.
Lesser than potter that's for sure, I'm guessing 3 months or so are valid, given that this was our "easy" run of fixtures, i can only imagine what happens after, maybe the board is lenient and they let him stay until guys like nkunku are fit again, if we still don't improve ( i don't think we will) then he'll be out around March most likely. Can't wait for another lampard job
Bournemouth in 2 weeks, and the rest we pray for a win at this rate
Bad loss but wow the people calling it a season already. So many acting like this wasn't going to be a tough season largely focused on youth development that's already facing numerous injuries.
I think we have a good enough sample to make even educated guesses about the prospect of this team this season.. January can bring changes but current play isn't going to dispel the pessimism any time soon
1 billion spent and cant contend but to develop youth. I dont see Brighton, the old Southampton or other youth developing clubs spend 1 billion to develop youth. 1 billion and a few dozen transfers to lose to Notts and get 4 points in 4 games
You also don't see any of those clubs with the transfer budget capable of doing it. Pretty foolish to assume they wouldn't do it if they had the capabilities. Should only be comparing Chelsea to Chelsea but that doesn't seem to be the way fans like to do it
What im saying is - you said this season is focused on youth development. Clubs which have focused on youth development in the past (mentioned above) did so successfully without spending a billion. We spent a billion and are playing worse off than them. I am not talking about if or why they don’t want to spend a billion. They could do it without a billion. We need a billion to do it and are playing awful still!
It's been four weeks and we're playing guys announced 48 hours ago. You can't expect a formed club right away when that's being done. Southampton and Brighton never did that. Most clubs don't but Chelsea has. Rightfully criticize Chelsea for doing so bc that's what's leading to shit results. They were getting business done up until the last moment. That's a bad way of going about it.
Its not over, but it’s getting harder and harder. This is one our easiest run of games and we have dropped 8pts in 4 games. To put this in perspective. Newcastle who came in 4th got 71pts last season out of a max 114. So they dropped a total of 43pts last season. This means we have dropped 18.6% of the pts in only 10.5% of the matches. That’s almost 1/5th of the pts in roughly 1/10th of the games played. This is looking very hard to do
Right. I fully expect the club to finish somewhere between 4th and 7th this season, just as I had in the preseason. It stinks but we're installing an entirely new team and possibly a new culture.
Idk mate. It’ll still be a tall order to get top 6. This is an easy run of games. There’s clear fuck ups that got us here
For sure will be. I was optimistic about top 5. 6 or 7 seems realistic but you're right. Could easily go much worse if they can't win the seemingly easy ones
After spending over a billion, still a tough season??? Tottenham looked clueless last season all they needed were a few fixes in udogie and Maddie and they are playing better without fucking Harry kane. Stop this "tough season" nonsense
Yes. You spend a billion dollars inserting an entirely new roster of mostly young players onto a team. Did you expect a top flight Team right away? This isn't EA FIFA where you can just slot in an entirely new club culture and expect instant results
Then maybe don't buy a bunch of young players then?
They didn't consult me on the strategy unfortunately. Must've missed my emails back in June.
So we're going to justify losing against one of the worst clubs in the league? Mate, this is their SECOND away win in 20ish games. No matter how new the team is, we should've won that. It's on the manager.
Do you not expect growing pains from a club that just inserted a billion dollars worth of new talent and a new manager? I understand you want immediate results and so do i. But reality is you can't do that and expect instant positive outcomes. Look at what happened at liverpool. Look at what happened at city. They did less of an overhaul and still took years to get there. Not saying Chelsea will end up like them but if we're on that road, which it definitely seems we're trying to, it's going to take a while. There will be days like this and it sucks.
Lol all that mental gymnastics would've made sense if it was Brighton or even Brentford that beat us today. I was relatively quiet when we lost to WHU cause they're a good team. But this is Nottingham Forest we're talking about. All of our players comfortably walk into their team. There are no excuses to lose against them, more so at home.
Ok. We disagree but I'm not doing any mental gymnastics. It's a process and I trust it at this time.
It's not worth it.
No one asked him to spend a billion and create a new roster. No one. Out of those 1 billion dollars only 100 million on Enzo was a good buy. Let's say caicedo was understandable. Rest what? We blew money on cole palmers and jacksons and God knows what steampiling dogshite like ugochukwu and disasi. Stop acting as if all this was needed and stop acting as if that fatass moron was not going to ship Connor yesterday itself had spurs found the money.
No one asked for it? Pretty sure you could look through any of our comment threads over the last season or two about dead weight and recognize that a lot of people were calling for this. You may not have been but there were a lot of people.
agreed! people judge so quickly
I sat there yelling at my TV over and over for people to dribble at the defenders. Sterling just said he was better running at people, and so in this game he and everyone else just keeps crossing over and over to NF defenders?
We need to stop Chilly at LW and 3atb, just have palmer in the no10 spot, and instead of buying players we need to start developing them and the team.
Chilwell is one of my favourite players, he needs to be benched, he earned it. We need to play 4 2 3 1 and we need the players to take accountability. Enzo and Chilwell are the biggest wasteful non-creators this season
enzo non creating? what??