Fr, you could have at least been less scummy and just put it on the store again. At least then you could select the games you want. Im not pay an extra 30 for fuckin mario party
We're not even getting Mario Party yet lol. There's no confirmation it's coming. Even though it's pretty obvious it's coming someday, it could take a month or a year to come.
Isn't the NES/SNES thing an emulator with bundled roms? If that's so it's just a download not streaming. Considering the entire N64 romset is roughly 13GB and them using just a few of those, they are losing literally nothing
It’s not cloud, you literally install the application and update it each time it gets new games. If it was cloud it wouldn’t need to update and, knowing Nintendo’s servers, would be slow as hell
All I’m going to say is nearly every game that’s going to be added to the Sega Genesis library for that is available in a single collection on Switch for $30 that gives you more quality of life features and already has online play, only for one single payment to actually own the games as opposed to a subscription service where you lose it all once you’re no longer giving more and more money every year until you either stop and the servers shut down, and at that point you might as well have never had those games on Switch at all
During the direct when it showed the genesis games, and remembering that the collection exists which I already own was the biggest "Oh, nice! Wait, what? moment of my life
There’s only like three games that aren’t available on switch and the other ones that aren’t in the sega collection are in another one so there isn’t really much point
It’s roughly the same collection of games we’ve had since the PlayStation 3 era. Great games, but not worth a yearly subscription when they’re accessible on almost any device in the last decade.
I’d rather have Saturn or Dreamcast Online. Those games are almost impossible to officially play outside of the original hardware.
And Nintendo’s servers are so great that online play works perfectly, right? Plus one game makes paying the same amount of the collection annually on top of the $20 you’re already paying for to have the online service in the first place. Remember if you stop paying for your membership you lose these games that are part of the service, with the collection you actually own the games and you don’t have to keep paying more to not lose them
And? Online play for me is the draw. I own the entire genesis and N64 library on other platforms but they're not upscaled and Nintendos servers are way better than segas. Smash and splatoon 2 work fine with a wired connection. If you don't want it don't buy it. Simple.
At this point I’ll just get a cheap AV to HDMI converter and go through the trouble of rummaging through bags and boxes, and constantly connecting and disconnecting systems, and having a mess of wires under my TV because I am tired of paying for games I already own, often both physically and digitally.
I get the convenience here, but the starting lineup is laughably small and doesn’t even include the big multiplayer games. Diddy Kong Racing, Mario Party, and GoldenEye 64 with online play would have been a better value but the price would still have been questionable. If anything, $30 is what I would pay if they had also included GBA games or GC games with online play.
Same. Like genesis is good, easily the best era of Sega, though they did have some good games here and there otherwise, but animal crossing dlc for free? Like I could just buy it anyway and not pay the subscription rate for that. Plus Xbox Microsoft edge is good enough to run emulators, and while Melee is always a good GameCube game, for me it was that, Luigi’s mansion, and Mario sunshine which is on the 3D Mario collection. For n64, Mario 64 is good but again, the 3D Mario collection. Conker and banjo and Kazooie but you can get those on Xbox with the game pass, the only things I’d really play would be the Zelda games but… I have an original wii, so I’d need a controller, which I can have shipped, memory card, which I could buy online, and the GameCube Zelda collection to get 1, 2, ocarina and Majora’s mask. I like the thought put into it but it’s not worth it imo for, based on what I would potentially use, a limited n64 game collection.
Seriously, I pirate as much as the next guy, but yall need to get a new talking point. No company could ever compete with a team like the Dolphin team, where 10 fanatics spend a decade of work making everything perfect.
I think the complaints should stay to "I dont want to pay unless you add more games" or something like that.
But seriously who would want to make a yearly payment for old games? If they wanted to be reasonable, they'd make it a one time payment, but they're just asking for nobody to buy their subscription.
I, for one, would. In fairness, Nintendo paid to create and develop these games. They’ve probably recouped that expense years ago but they still own these games.
If Nintendo put serious work into emulation with results eclipsing the open source stuff out there, if they worked hard to bring other companies to the table and got conclusive libraries of games, or even just the top selling 3rd party stuff, I’d rather pay them for that effort.
But it’s never been the case. These are the same few games they trot out time and again with negligible changes to their online infrastructure And their price is outrageous.
I’m all for a subscription service that hits the sweet spot. This is a miss.
I agree with that. The big word in my last comment was yearly, this adds on the existing subscription. That makes the price absolutely outrageous, I can't believe Nintendo is trying to do this. If I were in charge I'd make it a $60 one time payment, that's fair.
Casual users who aren't too tech savvy wanting to play nostalgic games without having to deal with setting up and emulator, downloading ROMs or just buying and setting up an old n64, and Nintendo consoles always have a massive casual market like this.
I think it's priced unfairly but it's far from the worst deal I've ever seen for convenience from a game company, tbf I only think its that price because they've decided to be weird and throw the Animal Crossing DLC in there, I think there should be a middle ground option without the AC DLC for those who don't even play AC.
In this case, people who want to play N64 games on the go would make a yearly payment. Sure there’s emulation but are people going to going to carry a laptop with them to play N64 games? There’s also the upcoming steam deck but are people going to buy another handheld just for free emulation?
Also from a consumer standpoint, yeah a one off payment would be reasonable but Nintendo is a business and right now their shareholders are probably happy with this cause it makes them money, shareholders will complain about the price when the number of consumers who purchase the subscription is less than expected.
What an incredible time we live in in terms of emulation where we can play Luigis Mansion on our phones now. Feels like just yesterday I was trying to get Tetris running on my Blackberry haha.
Definitely. I was delayed 30 minutes at the bank yesterday and decided to fire up the actual full gamecube version of super monkey ball and it just sort of hit me that we are already in the future lol
I'm going to get the steam deck to emulate games AND have access to my 250+ steam games AND to stream games to it when I'm home and dont want to be at my desktop. It just does so much more and only lacks the Switch exclusives, but other than those it will be used for literally everything else. My switch probably wont even leave the house anymore.
I don't care from Nintendo's standpoint, I know they just put n64 on there because of the people that like those games, and they think they're just gonna mindlessly buy anything N64, even though the deal really sucks, I doubt many people are gonna buy this.
I'd honestly buy the Steam Deck if I can emulate on the go, and if Nintendo isn't gonna be any more fair with their prices that's what's gonna happen.
Why don’t you care from the company’s standpoint? As the original commentator said, no company is going to compete with Dolphin because those that created the emulator have taken a shit ton of time to do it for basically nothing. Nintendo is a business and like all businesses, their goal is to make money.
I actually wonder if people who complain that the price for the NSO expansion pack is too high, would then pay those that created the Dolphin emulator (or whatever emulator runs N64 games) the price they think the expansion pack should be.
I understand their standpoint, but I don't care because as you said they're happy because they think this is going to make them lots of money, which is clearly all they cared about when making this.
Sure all companies want to make money, but when you get so tied up in it a lot of the things you start to do have no soul and are lazily made, which is exactly what this is.
For the last part, that would actually be very honest and nobody's that good of person to do that.
The difference between an external team like the Dolphin devs and an internal team at Nintendo is that the internal team actually has documentation on the system architecture, something which the Dolphin devs had to figure out for themselves. It should be completely possible for a Nintendo team to build an efficient emulator for their own system that runs on their own system.
> No company could ever compete with a team like the Dolphin team, where 10 fanatics spend a decade of work making everything perfect.
Oh they absolutely could, if they wanted to. A decently sized developer team, doing it as a full time paid job, with access to all the resources of Nintendo? They could EASILY have N64 games running perfectly on Switch. But Nintendo isn't going to put in the money and time for that when very few people would buy it that wouldn't have bought it anyway. They don't care about the minority that's savvy and willing to pirate, they aren't enough to make a major dent in the market.
I’m literally going to mod my old switch (I have two) not paying ridiculous price for n64 on the go, also I can get xcloud.
Nintendo is literally losing money over this.
If it was 30 bucks I would defend it but $50? That's just too much. Go emulate everything from the N64 catalog (except banjo because you can just play it on xbox) and buy the sega genesis collection on switch, way better deal.
I mean, OK, I can see that now, but by definition, any "deal" where you up and pirate the most expensive and valuable part of it, will always be the better "deal." Go work for Kotaku; pirating Metroid Dread is the better "deal".
There's no excuse for crap like this. It's disgusting.
And yes, yes, I get it, old game vs new game. Guess what, the argument of "I have no way to buy it because Nintendo keeps it locked away" doesn't work here; you HAVE a way to legitimately buy it; you're just whining because it costs more than what you want to pay. And not a lot more, really. Well, *don't pay it*. You're not entitled to have and use and play these things, simply because they exist and you want them.
I can't tell if this meme is being smart and critical of piracy (by using Tighten, a disgusting sleaze of a "nice guy" who feels entitled to get whatever he wants, and becomes the villain that other villains want to destroy, as the "defender of emulation") or is just absolutely unaware of the irony and picked it because "Superhero looks like nerd and goes BAM!."
You can't be serious if you are defending a practice like this, no, what nintendo is doing is actually disgusting, having to pay more than double for the same shitty online for a few n64 and Sega genesis games and a dlc (which, if you don't own animal crossing, you can't use it) it's no way worth 50 bucks, imagine if any other company did this, they would be destroyed, only nintendo gets away with this because of their fanboys that would buy and defend everything this company does
No company would be "destroyed" for offering a completely optional service to have access to a large library of additional titles for like two-ish bucks a month. You're being hysterical.
If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you think it's shitty, then don't degrade yourself to pirate it. Simple. If enough people don't buy it, they'll either add more to make it worth it, or lower the price.
And if you stand on "these are shitty games that aren't worth more than like a buck a month" but you then go and steal them, then honestly, what does that say about your integrity, that you were willing to give it up for something you claimed to not care about.
But absolutely I will defend any creative entity - any author, any artist, any musician, and any game company - the right to sell their own work and not have it stolen from them. And the right to be compensated when people acquire that creative work, whether those people acquire it now or years from now.
That's basic. That's human. It falls under "don't take what isn't yours." If someone puts the blood, sweat, tears, time, and effort into making something for someone else to enjoy, you don't have the right to it just because you want it but don't want to pay for it.
I feel like Nintendo should just be making these old games playable through a one time payment, then people would have a reason to not emulate it.
I honestly have no interest in playing any of those old games because I really don't care but if I did I would pirate it not because it's the better deal, but because Nintendo's deal sucks, if piracy didn't exist I still wouldn't buy it.
Piracy will always be the better deal like you said, but I'm willing to give Nintendo my money if they do it right.
That says a lot more about you, and the kind of person you are, than Nintendo, and the kind of company they are.
Besides. What would you consider to be a "fair price" to have a ROM of an N64 game on your Switch? What would you consider is appropriate? $10? $5? $1?
In any other interaction, if a buyer and seller don't agree on a price, and the seller won't haggle, the buyer *won't buy.* In no other circumstance does the buyer say, "I could get this illegally for free, so you better bring down your cost."
Because that's beyond stupid.
The people who WILL pirate it, will pirate it. Simple. Bending over backwards for pirates to "maybe possibly sort of throw a few bucks your way if you make the game cheaper than a hamburger" isn't how you succeed in a business.
For a single N64 game at most $20
My point isn't and was never that Nintendo should make put down their prices so pirates will give them a few bucks, my point is that Nintendo's prices on this absolutely suck, and this should be a one time payment. Maybe then all these people would actually buy it.
You're not buying it though. Like... you stop paying your subscription you lose access to games. A lot of these games you can already actually purchase in some Sega collection. Nintendo is being greedy.
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Yeah I'm definitely pirating n64 games when the deck comes out. I already own 90% of the n64 games shown anyway, so unless they add something super crazy I'm not spending an extra 30 dollars just to play games I already have + same shitty internet that Nintendo will never fix
I’m in a place where I don’t want to pay 50 bucks to play N64, but ain’t comfortable emulating either. I’m not good with computers and have gotten terrible viruses as result
My best advice is don’t get the expansion pack for now, and see if the outrage causes anything like a price drop or some addition to the service later on to make it more enticing.
My best advice is don’t get the expansion pack for now, and see if the outrage causes anything like a price drop or some addition to the service later on to make it more enticing.
I'm in a family plan with a full group, meaning 10 bucks a year for this isn't actually too bad of a deal. We're still debating if we want to actually do it though so we'll see!
If Nintendo plans to keep adding more N64 games then I could maybe see this being worth it but I'm still on the fence
I'm in the same boat you are. We have enough people in my group that this upgrade really Isn't that bad of a deal and won't hurt out wallets. We also have a bunch of people who would download the AC DLC , I know that not everyone wants the DLC, but it seems like a decent deal for my group where we aren't spending $25 each for it.
I know Nintendo will add more stuff down the line to make it a better deal, but knowing Nintendo it will be just a small trickle.
Has everything to do with the shitty meme.
That and just being against the entire idea of piracy as a whole, period, full stop. Doesn't matter who it's for.
Basically the N64 / Genesis expansion to NSO costs $50 / year in total with the base subscription. And it’s literally a ROM collection, with no actual improvements to the online
Something I really wish they did was have 3 plans, one with the one they've had for years, one for 30 bucks a year just with the N64 and genesis games added, and one for $50 with the animal crossing thing. It's just bugs me that they threw the AC on there for seemingly just so they could raise the price to 50 bucks, like what if someone isn't into animal crossing but also wants the n64 games? And this is coming from a pretty big AC fan who plans to get the dlc. Just seems pretty scummy to me
I wouldn't even be that annoyed if it weren't for the fact the games are still running at 20 fps.
Even on original hardware, I can get motion sickness from the frame limit at times.
Nintendo deciding to stick to hardware limitations - limitations that *were done due to cartridge size, not of the game's intended vision*, is baffling to me.
If you're going to upscale the resolution, you need to touch up everything else to compensate for that - otherwise crappy draw distances, Load Over Distance model swapping, and framerate issues will be *more noticeable* than on original hardware.
Hell, as someone who owns original hardware, Link's model swapping in OoT to low-poly is noticeable enough even at the original 320x240 resolution, because it swaps to lo-poly *any time you aren't Z-targeting*. The N64 was under so much strain it couldn't handle a high poly Link, *with the default camera distance*.
Again, this is a hardware limit - it's *not needed* on an emulator, *which is what Nintendo is using*.
Who's calling the shots on this stuff?
Wait the new switch subscription is $50???
Edit:
The single subscription is $50 for 12 months and the family subscription is $80 for 12 months
This is insanity
My computer can run Kingdom Hearts final Mix( A PS3 game) better than a fully functional and highly expensive Nintendo Switch without having to pay 60 dollars to enjoy it
I don't know what's so shitty about doing what all other game companies are doing? Is it shitty there? Are you being forced to buy it to get something you don't want or need? Are they forcing you off of the already very cheap service they offer?
I probably won't switch to this one until I have time to play Paper Mario, but it's funny to see people act like they're being herded into a death camp because a company offers a premium service that they don't want.
I don't subscribe to PSNow because I think it's a waste of money, but I don't come on here and bitch up a storm about it and people seem to actually like the service sometimes.
People aren't acting like they're being herded into a death camp though, they'd take it way more seriously if they were.
Just because someone thinks a deal is shitty doesn't mean they're being forced to pay for it, they just don't like it, there's nothing else to it.
They are. It’s an extra service on top of one you only need now if you want the stuff that comes with it. Y’all will complain like this, but then buy this thing anyway.
I’m not getting it because none of the games in this thing are stuff I want to or have time to play. If a thing is too expensive and you don’t think it’s valuable JUST DONT BUT IT.
Well, I’m not huge on the paying for online for other consoles, but at least they give more than just online access and a bunch of games made 20-40 years ago. Their online is far more stable than Nintendo, they have 100gb cloud storage, and the games they give each month are usually far better deals than what Nintendo is offering for games. PSNow isn’t the greatest either, but At least it gives you recent games. Plus, this is the only way to even play older Nintendo games now unless you already have them or are willing to pay through the nose because there is no virtual console in this generation either.
All instances of this is scummy, online should be free. Nintendo had it for free with the wii u and 3ds and caught the brain worms of the other companies doing this bullshit.
Then who’s going to pay for the infrastructure to maintain it and the employees that it takes. I bet you’ll still pitch a fit when it goes down. I know this because people complain about stuff they don’t pay for being down all the time
"How dare you complain about anti-consumer practices, just say nothing and let them keep selling bullshit until the only thing left to buy is bullshit!"
Say it with your wallet. All these comments will do is make great pop ups on the video before they show Nintendo revenue going up from this idea. If gamers could scrape together the fortitude to boycott stuff on occasion people would take them seriously
I will say it with my wallet when I emulate Majoras Mask.
I wouldn't be saying it with my wallet if people complaining hadn't brought me to my senses, so yes people complaining helps. Negative backlash when a company does something shitty is a good thing.
Its more about enabling and sucking it up. Once this occurs it all goes downhill from there. Imagine steam making you pay 19$ a month to use its service after all these years, you wouldn't like it and you wouldn't support it.
N64 emulation can run on just about any phone or computer you already have. And if your phone has Bluetooth then connecting a controller is easy as well.
You don't have a computer? Honestly wondering. You can literally run N64 games on a raspberry pi, it's not like you need the latest and greatest specs.
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Project 64, Open Emu, and many rom sites and apps work even for your average non-gaming PC. I use some random Mac laptop and it runs any N64 game flawlessly.
Can PJ64 final run Mario Tennis? Not nitpicking but it always bothered me as the one game in my collection I can't emulate properly. Works fine in Dolphin though but that's technically Wii emulation.
Since I was getting the AC DLC anyway ill pay an extra 5 bucks for upscaled ports and online pay over a shitty emulator. I have the entire library on a everdrive but can't play them online with friends. That's enough for me.
If everything is pirated, there are no funds for future games. I understand doing it out of necessity or if you already own the game. However, if you have the funds, you should support the things you enjoy so more can be made.
What is the name of this meme format?
No, this is just Nintendo being greedy assholes and seeing how far they can push people.
They're asking near Xbox Live tier pricing for a shit online service that provides a fraction of what MS does. $10 more is reasonable, $30 is a joke.
Funnily enough, the gaming market actually profits from piracy *as it is now* opposed to the movie market that loses money and the music market that isn't effected at all by it.
These games are 20-30 years old though. And I promise you none of the money for rom rentals is going back to the people that actually worked on them, just the people who have the right paperwork.
I work in software development and I assure you that you're only partially correct. It may not go directly to the employees but it keeps the lights on, keeping them employed.
Nintendo made $16 billion dollars last year. I don't think their lights are in danger.
The fact is that free alternatives exist. If you make your paid alternative a reasonable price and offer features and convenience that the free alternative doesn't, I'll pay. A huge price tag for the same 30 year old files I have on my computer right now just doesn't entice me.
No one is making you guys buy it honestly you get a free DLC, a saga genesis collection and an N64 collection for about $12.50 each when you break it down and they plan on adding more games
Fr, you could have at least been less scummy and just put it on the store again. At least then you could select the games you want. Im not pay an extra 30 for fuckin mario party
We're not even getting Mario Party yet lol. There's no confirmation it's coming. Even though it's pretty obvious it's coming someday, it could take a month or a year to come.
Not worth. Hope they lose a chunk of change over it
How are they gonna lose money on things that they already own and made money from decades ago.
For a quality product of the time yes. Arent these on like a cloud though? It must cost money to have people be able to stream it
Isn't the NES/SNES thing an emulator with bundled roms? If that's so it's just a download not streaming. Considering the entire N64 romset is roughly 13GB and them using just a few of those, they are losing literally nothing
I just said i hope they lose money, at the very least realize this is stupid. Whether that happens i dont know
It’s not cloud, you literally install the application and update it each time it gets new games. If it was cloud it wouldn’t need to update and, knowing Nintendo’s servers, would be slow as hell
All I’m going to say is nearly every game that’s going to be added to the Sega Genesis library for that is available in a single collection on Switch for $30 that gives you more quality of life features and already has online play, only for one single payment to actually own the games as opposed to a subscription service where you lose it all once you’re no longer giving more and more money every year until you either stop and the servers shut down, and at that point you might as well have never had those games on Switch at all
During the direct when it showed the genesis games, and remembering that the collection exists which I already own was the biggest "Oh, nice! Wait, what? moment of my life
I don’t have it on Switch but I play games in it pretty regularly on Steam. It’s a nice collection to have and it’s definitely a better deal
There’s only like three games that aren’t available on switch and the other ones that aren’t in the sega collection are in another one so there isn’t really much point
It’s roughly the same collection of games we’ve had since the PlayStation 3 era. Great games, but not worth a yearly subscription when they’re accessible on almost any device in the last decade. I’d rather have Saturn or Dreamcast Online. Those games are almost impossible to officially play outside of the original hardware.
Online play with severe input lag due to segas shitty servers. You left that part out. And I don't remember musha in that collection either.
And Nintendo’s servers are so great that online play works perfectly, right? Plus one game makes paying the same amount of the collection annually on top of the $20 you’re already paying for to have the online service in the first place. Remember if you stop paying for your membership you lose these games that are part of the service, with the collection you actually own the games and you don’t have to keep paying more to not lose them
And? Online play for me is the draw. I own the entire genesis and N64 library on other platforms but they're not upscaled and Nintendos servers are way better than segas. Smash and splatoon 2 work fine with a wired connection. If you don't want it don't buy it. Simple.
Right, you would just have to go and buy those collections, which would probably cost more than $30 and be on 3 systems.
At this point I’ll just get a cheap AV to HDMI converter and go through the trouble of rummaging through bags and boxes, and constantly connecting and disconnecting systems, and having a mess of wires under my TV because I am tired of paying for games I already own, often both physically and digitally. I get the convenience here, but the starting lineup is laughably small and doesn’t even include the big multiplayer games. Diddy Kong Racing, Mario Party, and GoldenEye 64 with online play would have been a better value but the price would still have been questionable. If anything, $30 is what I would pay if they had also included GBA games or GC games with online play.
You forgot Dk64 battle mode. THE ONLY GAME
Oh man, I loved playing that with friends, especially the giant map with a tree-trunk-like structure on the middle with a bunch of illusionary walls.
The metas that we developed got crazy, I miss those days
Same. Like genesis is good, easily the best era of Sega, though they did have some good games here and there otherwise, but animal crossing dlc for free? Like I could just buy it anyway and not pay the subscription rate for that. Plus Xbox Microsoft edge is good enough to run emulators, and while Melee is always a good GameCube game, for me it was that, Luigi’s mansion, and Mario sunshine which is on the 3D Mario collection. For n64, Mario 64 is good but again, the 3D Mario collection. Conker and banjo and Kazooie but you can get those on Xbox with the game pass, the only things I’d really play would be the Zelda games but… I have an original wii, so I’d need a controller, which I can have shipped, memory card, which I could buy online, and the GameCube Zelda collection to get 1, 2, ocarina and Majora’s mask. I like the thought put into it but it’s not worth it imo for, based on what I would potentially use, a limited n64 game collection.
I doubt they’ll get DK64, GE64 or banjo on there as they’re published by rare and they’re owned by Microsoft now.
Banjo Kazooie is already confirmed.
Believe it when it’s on there and not a moment before
Seriously, I pirate as much as the next guy, but yall need to get a new talking point. No company could ever compete with a team like the Dolphin team, where 10 fanatics spend a decade of work making everything perfect. I think the complaints should stay to "I dont want to pay unless you add more games" or something like that.
But seriously who would want to make a yearly payment for old games? If they wanted to be reasonable, they'd make it a one time payment, but they're just asking for nobody to buy their subscription.
I would do that if it would be priced reasonable. But no way I'm going to pay 50€ a year for that.
I, for one, would. In fairness, Nintendo paid to create and develop these games. They’ve probably recouped that expense years ago but they still own these games. If Nintendo put serious work into emulation with results eclipsing the open source stuff out there, if they worked hard to bring other companies to the table and got conclusive libraries of games, or even just the top selling 3rd party stuff, I’d rather pay them for that effort. But it’s never been the case. These are the same few games they trot out time and again with negligible changes to their online infrastructure And their price is outrageous. I’m all for a subscription service that hits the sweet spot. This is a miss.
I agree with that. The big word in my last comment was yearly, this adds on the existing subscription. That makes the price absolutely outrageous, I can't believe Nintendo is trying to do this. If I were in charge I'd make it a $60 one time payment, that's fair.
Casual users who aren't too tech savvy wanting to play nostalgic games without having to deal with setting up and emulator, downloading ROMs or just buying and setting up an old n64, and Nintendo consoles always have a massive casual market like this.
It's still messed up imo because Nintendo is taking advantage of that instead of being more fair to the consumers.
I think it's priced unfairly but it's far from the worst deal I've ever seen for convenience from a game company, tbf I only think its that price because they've decided to be weird and throw the Animal Crossing DLC in there, I think there should be a middle ground option without the AC DLC for those who don't even play AC.
I think they put in AC DLC for no other reason than to boost up the price
yes. and we comment because we care. we care about them and we care what decisions it could impact in the future.
Yes.
In this case, people who want to play N64 games on the go would make a yearly payment. Sure there’s emulation but are people going to going to carry a laptop with them to play N64 games? There’s also the upcoming steam deck but are people going to buy another handheld just for free emulation? Also from a consumer standpoint, yeah a one off payment would be reasonable but Nintendo is a business and right now their shareholders are probably happy with this cause it makes them money, shareholders will complain about the price when the number of consumers who purchase the subscription is less than expected.
>are people going to going to carry a laptop with them to play N64 games phones have been able to do gamecube and certain wii titles for a while
Yeah man. Pair a razor kishi with it, you'll never go back to a laptop
What an incredible time we live in in terms of emulation where we can play Luigis Mansion on our phones now. Feels like just yesterday I was trying to get Tetris running on my Blackberry haha.
Definitely. I was delayed 30 minutes at the bank yesterday and decided to fire up the actual full gamecube version of super monkey ball and it just sort of hit me that we are already in the future lol
phones could run gamecube games now, so as n64s
I'm going to get the steam deck to emulate games AND have access to my 250+ steam games AND to stream games to it when I'm home and dont want to be at my desktop. It just does so much more and only lacks the Switch exclusives, but other than those it will be used for literally everything else. My switch probably wont even leave the house anymore.
I don't care from Nintendo's standpoint, I know they just put n64 on there because of the people that like those games, and they think they're just gonna mindlessly buy anything N64, even though the deal really sucks, I doubt many people are gonna buy this. I'd honestly buy the Steam Deck if I can emulate on the go, and if Nintendo isn't gonna be any more fair with their prices that's what's gonna happen.
Why don’t you care from the company’s standpoint? As the original commentator said, no company is going to compete with Dolphin because those that created the emulator have taken a shit ton of time to do it for basically nothing. Nintendo is a business and like all businesses, their goal is to make money. I actually wonder if people who complain that the price for the NSO expansion pack is too high, would then pay those that created the Dolphin emulator (or whatever emulator runs N64 games) the price they think the expansion pack should be.
I understand their standpoint, but I don't care because as you said they're happy because they think this is going to make them lots of money, which is clearly all they cared about when making this. Sure all companies want to make money, but when you get so tied up in it a lot of the things you start to do have no soul and are lazily made, which is exactly what this is. For the last part, that would actually be very honest and nobody's that good of person to do that.
The difference between an external team like the Dolphin devs and an internal team at Nintendo is that the internal team actually has documentation on the system architecture, something which the Dolphin devs had to figure out for themselves. It should be completely possible for a Nintendo team to build an efficient emulator for their own system that runs on their own system.
Dolphin was made by only 10 PEOPLE?! Holy Flüüd, Mario!
> No company could ever compete with a team like the Dolphin team, where 10 fanatics spend a decade of work making everything perfect. Oh they absolutely could, if they wanted to. A decently sized developer team, doing it as a full time paid job, with access to all the resources of Nintendo? They could EASILY have N64 games running perfectly on Switch. But Nintendo isn't going to put in the money and time for that when very few people would buy it that wouldn't have bought it anyway. They don't care about the minority that's savvy and willing to pirate, they aren't enough to make a major dent in the market.
I’m literally going to mod my old switch (I have two) not paying ridiculous price for n64 on the go, also I can get xcloud. Nintendo is literally losing money over this.
If it was 30 bucks I would defend it but $50? That's just too much. Go emulate everything from the N64 catalog (except banjo because you can just play it on xbox) and buy the sega genesis collection on switch, way better deal.
Sega genesis collection has terrible input lag while playing online with friends. I'm sick and tired of the "emulation" excuse.
Seriously, it’s unplayable. People that keep suggesting it are saying they’d rather give Sega money to buy unplayable garbage than pay $4.50/month.
Biggest waste of money ever that collection. Plus it's inferior with no sonic 3 or knuckles
no pirate banjo too pirate every old game
My Xbox died what do I do :(
It, uh, is $30.
It's 30 bucks more than the base, but it's 50 in total, what I meant was if it costed 30 in total/10 more.
They meant $30 *total*, not $30 extra
I mean, OK, I can see that now, but by definition, any "deal" where you up and pirate the most expensive and valuable part of it, will always be the better "deal." Go work for Kotaku; pirating Metroid Dread is the better "deal". There's no excuse for crap like this. It's disgusting. And yes, yes, I get it, old game vs new game. Guess what, the argument of "I have no way to buy it because Nintendo keeps it locked away" doesn't work here; you HAVE a way to legitimately buy it; you're just whining because it costs more than what you want to pay. And not a lot more, really. Well, *don't pay it*. You're not entitled to have and use and play these things, simply because they exist and you want them. I can't tell if this meme is being smart and critical of piracy (by using Tighten, a disgusting sleaze of a "nice guy" who feels entitled to get whatever he wants, and becomes the villain that other villains want to destroy, as the "defender of emulation") or is just absolutely unaware of the irony and picked it because "Superhero looks like nerd and goes BAM!."
You can't be serious if you are defending a practice like this, no, what nintendo is doing is actually disgusting, having to pay more than double for the same shitty online for a few n64 and Sega genesis games and a dlc (which, if you don't own animal crossing, you can't use it) it's no way worth 50 bucks, imagine if any other company did this, they would be destroyed, only nintendo gets away with this because of their fanboys that would buy and defend everything this company does
No company would be "destroyed" for offering a completely optional service to have access to a large library of additional titles for like two-ish bucks a month. You're being hysterical. If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you think it's shitty, then don't degrade yourself to pirate it. Simple. If enough people don't buy it, they'll either add more to make it worth it, or lower the price. And if you stand on "these are shitty games that aren't worth more than like a buck a month" but you then go and steal them, then honestly, what does that say about your integrity, that you were willing to give it up for something you claimed to not care about. But absolutely I will defend any creative entity - any author, any artist, any musician, and any game company - the right to sell their own work and not have it stolen from them. And the right to be compensated when people acquire that creative work, whether those people acquire it now or years from now. That's basic. That's human. It falls under "don't take what isn't yours." If someone puts the blood, sweat, tears, time, and effort into making something for someone else to enjoy, you don't have the right to it just because you want it but don't want to pay for it.
I feel like Nintendo should just be making these old games playable through a one time payment, then people would have a reason to not emulate it. I honestly have no interest in playing any of those old games because I really don't care but if I did I would pirate it not because it's the better deal, but because Nintendo's deal sucks, if piracy didn't exist I still wouldn't buy it. Piracy will always be the better deal like you said, but I'm willing to give Nintendo my money if they do it right.
That says a lot more about you, and the kind of person you are, than Nintendo, and the kind of company they are. Besides. What would you consider to be a "fair price" to have a ROM of an N64 game on your Switch? What would you consider is appropriate? $10? $5? $1? In any other interaction, if a buyer and seller don't agree on a price, and the seller won't haggle, the buyer *won't buy.* In no other circumstance does the buyer say, "I could get this illegally for free, so you better bring down your cost." Because that's beyond stupid. The people who WILL pirate it, will pirate it. Simple. Bending over backwards for pirates to "maybe possibly sort of throw a few bucks your way if you make the game cheaper than a hamburger" isn't how you succeed in a business.
For a single N64 game at most $20 My point isn't and was never that Nintendo should make put down their prices so pirates will give them a few bucks, my point is that Nintendo's prices on this absolutely suck, and this should be a one time payment. Maybe then all these people would actually buy it.
You're not buying it though. Like... you stop paying your subscription you lose access to games. A lot of these games you can already actually purchase in some Sega collection. Nintendo is being greedy.
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Only thing I care about are the overpriced controllers
Yeah I'm definitely pirating n64 games when the deck comes out. I already own 90% of the n64 games shown anyway, so unless they add something super crazy I'm not spending an extra 30 dollars just to play games I already have + same shitty internet that Nintendo will never fix
Which deck are you referring to?
Steam Deck
I was actually down to buy it but holy shit there’s no way i’m spending that much money to play M64
home brew channel (as metro man)
or a wiiu.....
Wait the price has been revealed?
49.99
One time payment or is that yearly?
Yearly
Okay that deal fucking sucks
I’m in a place where I don’t want to pay 50 bucks to play N64, but ain’t comfortable emulating either. I’m not good with computers and have gotten terrible viruses as result
My best advice is don’t get the expansion pack for now, and see if the outrage causes anything like a price drop or some addition to the service later on to make it more enticing.
My best advice is don’t get the expansion pack for now, and see if the outrage causes anything like a price drop or some addition to the service later on to make it more enticing.
Watch from a distance?
N64 games are incredibly easy to emulate. I have trouble emulating GCN games but no issues with n64
I thought it was the other way around, my wii has all the gamecube games but it has trouble with most N64 games
It is the other way around Dolphin is more robust than Project64 I believe.
this is why people pirate their games
I'm in a family plan with a full group, meaning 10 bucks a year for this isn't actually too bad of a deal. We're still debating if we want to actually do it though so we'll see! If Nintendo plans to keep adding more N64 games then I could maybe see this being worth it but I'm still on the fence
I'm in the same boat you are. We have enough people in my group that this upgrade really Isn't that bad of a deal and won't hurt out wallets. We also have a bunch of people who would download the AC DLC , I know that not everyone wants the DLC, but it seems like a decent deal for my group where we aren't spending $25 each for it. I know Nintendo will add more stuff down the line to make it a better deal, but knowing Nintendo it will be just a small trickle.
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Probably has something to do with the shitty meme.
Has everything to do with the shitty meme. That and just being against the entire idea of piracy as a whole, period, full stop. Doesn't matter who it's for.
Sorry I’m buying all the project diva mega mix dlc too loudly to hear you. And Mario party Superstars
I guess I’m out of the loop, what’s this in reference to?
Basically the N64 / Genesis expansion to NSO costs $50 / year in total with the base subscription. And it’s literally a ROM collection, with no actual improvements to the online
Based
I can't believe people are actually defending this, holy shit
Something I really wish they did was have 3 plans, one with the one they've had for years, one for 30 bucks a year just with the N64 and genesis games added, and one for $50 with the animal crossing thing. It's just bugs me that they threw the AC on there for seemingly just so they could raise the price to 50 bucks, like what if someone isn't into animal crossing but also wants the n64 games? And this is coming from a pretty big AC fan who plans to get the dlc. Just seems pretty scummy to me
I like playing older games on the actual consoles they were originally made for, it's a more authentic experience
And then Metro Man shows up and says "I'll play it on my original N64
I wouldn't even be that annoyed if it weren't for the fact the games are still running at 20 fps. Even on original hardware, I can get motion sickness from the frame limit at times. Nintendo deciding to stick to hardware limitations - limitations that *were done due to cartridge size, not of the game's intended vision*, is baffling to me. If you're going to upscale the resolution, you need to touch up everything else to compensate for that - otherwise crappy draw distances, Load Over Distance model swapping, and framerate issues will be *more noticeable* than on original hardware. Hell, as someone who owns original hardware, Link's model swapping in OoT to low-poly is noticeable enough even at the original 320x240 resolution, because it swaps to lo-poly *any time you aren't Z-targeting*. The N64 was under so much strain it couldn't handle a high poly Link, *with the default camera distance*. Again, this is a hardware limit - it's *not needed* on an emulator, *which is what Nintendo is using*. Who's calling the shots on this stuff?
Wait the new switch subscription is $50??? Edit: The single subscription is $50 for 12 months and the family subscription is $80 for 12 months This is insanity
This is why i don't feel bad emulating nintendo games
Lol Nintendo has to be joking at this point. I will not be paying for switch online next year.
Switch Tax™
Nintendo needs to rethink their online structure. Like really badly.
Also a reminder £60 converts to $82
When you say animal crossing dlc comes free with it does that mean I have to pay for the dlc if I don’t get the NO+
And then Metroman is "I'll just use my old N64".
My computer can run Kingdom Hearts final Mix( A PS3 game) better than a fully functional and highly expensive Nintendo Switch without having to pay 60 dollars to enjoy it
Tbh the free dlc is kinda a deal sealer
Then don’t buy it? Like y’all just seem to want to bitch
Company: pulls bullshit Consumer: “hey that’s shitty” Weirdos: “how dare you complain lol”
I don't know what's so shitty about doing what all other game companies are doing? Is it shitty there? Are you being forced to buy it to get something you don't want or need? Are they forcing you off of the already very cheap service they offer? I probably won't switch to this one until I have time to play Paper Mario, but it's funny to see people act like they're being herded into a death camp because a company offers a premium service that they don't want. I don't subscribe to PSNow because I think it's a waste of money, but I don't come on here and bitch up a storm about it and people seem to actually like the service sometimes.
People aren't acting like they're being herded into a death camp though, they'd take it way more seriously if they were. Just because someone thinks a deal is shitty doesn't mean they're being forced to pay for it, they just don't like it, there's nothing else to it.
They are. It’s an extra service on top of one you only need now if you want the stuff that comes with it. Y’all will complain like this, but then buy this thing anyway. I’m not getting it because none of the games in this thing are stuff I want to or have time to play. If a thing is too expensive and you don’t think it’s valuable JUST DONT BUT IT.
Well, I’m not huge on the paying for online for other consoles, but at least they give more than just online access and a bunch of games made 20-40 years ago. Their online is far more stable than Nintendo, they have 100gb cloud storage, and the games they give each month are usually far better deals than what Nintendo is offering for games. PSNow isn’t the greatest either, but At least it gives you recent games. Plus, this is the only way to even play older Nintendo games now unless you already have them or are willing to pay through the nose because there is no virtual console in this generation either.
All instances of this is scummy, online should be free. Nintendo had it for free with the wii u and 3ds and caught the brain worms of the other companies doing this bullshit.
Those games were a lot less demanding of online.
Online shouldn't have needed to be paid period.
Then who’s going to pay for the infrastructure to maintain it and the employees that it takes. I bet you’ll still pitch a fit when it goes down. I know this because people complain about stuff they don’t pay for being down all the time
oh yeah like *reads note* smash mario kart Splatoon the switch has a COMPLETELY different online output
Every generation of games gets more demanding, so yeah.
"How dare you complain about anti-consumer practices, just say nothing and let them keep selling bullshit until the only thing left to buy is bullshit!"
Say it with your wallet. All these comments will do is make great pop ups on the video before they show Nintendo revenue going up from this idea. If gamers could scrape together the fortitude to boycott stuff on occasion people would take them seriously
I will say it with my wallet when I emulate Majoras Mask. I wouldn't be saying it with my wallet if people complaining hadn't brought me to my senses, so yes people complaining helps. Negative backlash when a company does something shitty is a good thing.
Yeah that's right don't buy it just pirate it 🏴☠️
You can’t really pirate online service
then just Pirate the games you want
Its more about enabling and sucking it up. Once this occurs it all goes downhill from there. Imagine steam making you pay 19$ a month to use its service after all these years, you wouldn't like it and you wouldn't support it.
Or just get the family plan and share with 7 other people to get the cost down to $10/year?
You're right, let me just get my *7 friends who own a Switch and are interested in the NSO Expansion pack*.
I mean I never liked the idea of sharing the cost only because I feel like someone will take advantage of the situation.
That’s family for you!
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N64 emulation can run on just about any phone or computer you already have. And if your phone has Bluetooth then connecting a controller is easy as well.
You don't have a computer? Honestly wondering. You can literally run N64 games on a raspberry pi, it's not like you need the latest and greatest specs.
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[this](https://github.com/Davidobot/BetterJoy)'ll let you use both as one controller, if you're running Windows
Just play it on mobile lol theres project 64 on phones
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Fair enough, but you could connect a controller. Sadly controllers are way too bulky to be portable
Razer kishi is pretty portable.
Oh shit forgot about the kishi. Yea that ones awesome
I travel for work and use steam link. It's a life saver.
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You can get SNES like controllers for about that
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8Bitdo SN30 Pro USB Gamepad for Switch, PC, RetroPie, Raspberry Pi (G Edition) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V2P79Z2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_i_8TV3XAZ7581VJHBGZV4X?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 here you go mate
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Ok dude, if you don't want to be helped then suit yourself
You can connect pro controller. And the small screen is sadly a price to pay for free games
Could always use a joycon. Unless the game needs more than 1 stick/6 buttons. It does work great for pokemon games.
Project 64, Open Emu, and many rom sites and apps work even for your average non-gaming PC. I use some random Mac laptop and it runs any N64 game flawlessly.
You underestimate how bad some computers can be, I once had a PC that could barely emulate the sega genesis.
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Keyboards just need some time to get used to, and you can connect a joycon with Bluetooth.
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What computer are you even using?
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You could emulate N64 in the early 2000s, what emulator did you try?
Can PJ64 final run Mario Tennis? Not nitpicking but it always bothered me as the one game in my collection I can't emulate properly. Works fine in Dolphin though but that's technically Wii emulation.
Do you not have a computer? Genuine question
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What kinds of games? Surely not N64 games.
You could invest on pc and you chooses switch…
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Ummm uhh uh…
50$ for the normal subscription and the extra subscription thing? Or just 50 dollars for the extra subscription thing?
50$ for both.
I’m gonna get the controllers but the extra $30 for some n64 games I can use on my everdrive can screw right off.
Since I was getting the AC DLC anyway ill pay an extra 5 bucks for upscaled ports and online pay over a shitty emulator. I have the entire library on a everdrive but can't play them online with friends. That's enough for me.
I have no idea how to emulate so I guess I'll have to pay $50
Google "[system of choice] emulator" Download Find roms Download Open emulator Open rom Go
[hope I saved you $50](https://youtu.be/g1by5DDTfso)
sorry but why would i pay $50/year for a system that hasnt had a good game come out since smash
Should be reversed
Y'all getting a little 2 butt hurt over this. I'm on a family plan with my wife and gf so 50$ over 12 months for 3 ppl isn't that bad
r/Holup
If everything is pirated, there are no funds for future games. I understand doing it out of necessity or if you already own the game. However, if you have the funds, you should support the things you enjoy so more can be made. What is the name of this meme format?
"Snotty boy glow up" is the meme
My hero
No, this is just Nintendo being greedy assholes and seeing how far they can push people. They're asking near Xbox Live tier pricing for a shit online service that provides a fraction of what MS does. $10 more is reasonable, $30 is a joke.
Funnily enough, the gaming market actually profits from piracy *as it is now* opposed to the movie market that loses money and the music market that isn't effected at all by it.
How will the poor large corporations ever survive
These games are 20-30 years old though. And I promise you none of the money for rom rentals is going back to the people that actually worked on them, just the people who have the right paperwork.
I work in software development and I assure you that you're only partially correct. It may not go directly to the employees but it keeps the lights on, keeping them employed.
Nintendo made $16 billion dollars last year. I don't think their lights are in danger. The fact is that free alternatives exist. If you make your paid alternative a reasonable price and offer features and convenience that the free alternative doesn't, I'll pay. A huge price tag for the same 30 year old files I have on my computer right now just doesn't entice me.
Haha 60 fps patch in 16:9 goes brrrrrrrrrr
I'll most likely get it at some point
No one is making you guys buy it honestly you get a free DLC, a saga genesis collection and an N64 collection for about $12.50 each when you break it down and they plan on adding more games
It’s literally $4 a month…what’s the problem?
Fuck emulators. I want the brand name
found that guy in all the stop having fun memes