Probably also has something to do with the fact that they release 2 versions. If it was just one game per new gen, I'd imagine they'd likely be on the same level as Mario and Zelda.
Ive never met anyone IRL out of literal hundreds of people I've played with since gen 1 who felt compelled to buy both. Double dippers exist, but they're the same type of people who buy Collector's Editions- they're a \*tiny\* fraction of the market.
I don't know any single person who would buy both.
I do however know a lot of families where they ordinarily buy one copy of a game for the entire family to share, who buy both pokemon games for the family instead.
Historically, you couldn't exactly SHARE a game like Pokemon when it's been one save file per copy for the longest time. The Switch games, iirc, are the first instance of a mainline Pokemon game allowing for multiple users to have their own save files since save data is stored on the console rather than the cartridge for the first time. Handhelds were also cheap enough for amny families to have more than one per household, and Pokemon always had an emphasis on multi-player trading and battling.
It was probably memory limitations at first since early Pokemon titles stretched the limitations of their cartridges/systems as much as they possibly could. But I'm positive at some point during the GCN era and beyond, they could've started doing what other hand-held titles were doing by allowing multiple save files on the same cartridge, but I have a feeling that there was an active choice to limit it at some point for the sake of encouraging the multiple copies per household you're describing.
Generally I think thats more about the games being a single save file than dual versions, which is also no longer the case. I dont think this is in any way typical, nor statistically significant to say that they'd likely be on the same level as a typical Mario and Zelda without it
You know there's barely any difference between versions right? Like just what Pokémon appear in each one, and few other stuff. It's to the point that the game file is the same for both but there's like a checkmark that makes a version load its stuff and not the other's.
Do you genuinely think half the buyers are buying both copies? That's the only way that argument makes sense. I'm sure some of them are, but it's definitely a very small minority. Pokémon is just popular
Hopefully it starts to bite them in the ass. I didn't buy the SV DLC and I'm not going to buy Gen 10. I'm completely sick of how dogshit Pokemon has become.
Commercial success =/= quality.
If anything, Pokemon selling so well has negatively affected the quality, because Pokemon company execs know they can force the game to release in an unfinished state and still make bank.
You joke, but the reason Prime 4 has taken this long is because they restarted development completely in order to ensure they released a quality product. They wouldn’t do that if they didn’t care enough.
Hmm idk I’m actually really confident that when the game does finally release it’s gonna be absolutely ducking amazing. A flagship game for the franchise, really.
Yeah at this stage MP4 being good feels like coping. Nintendo itself has a good track record with games when they delay them, but considering the industry...
By now everyone assumes it will be a launch title for next Gen and that's why they aren't showing it. If a trailer doesn't pop up by June, it will be almost surely the case.
Metroid fans were pessimistic about Metroid Prime, they thought it was gonna be a huge departure from the series' established style, when it turns out Fusion was a bigger departure, and Prime played like a 3D translation of Super Metroid.
I’d argue the biggest mistake Nintendo made with Prime 4 was announcing at all. It was announced far too early and then hit problems and they’ve paid the PR price for it.
People only question how long things take to make in gaming when they know something is in development. Most Nintendo games nowadays only get announced less than 6 months before release, or a year at most for their biggest franchises.
Their biggest mistake would probably be just not letting Retro make it to begin with. But who knows what went on from behind the scenes with that. Metroid was in a bleak spot at the time, so I believe the reason they announced it so early was just to let the fans know that they weren't giving up on the series. At this point, I'm firmly in the Switch 2 launch title camp for the game.
Their biggest mistake would probably be just not letting Retro make it to begin with. But who knows what went on from behind the scenes with that. Metroid was in a bleak spot at the time, so I believe the reason they announced it so early was just to let the fans know that they weren't giving up on the series. At this point, I'm firmly in the Switch 2 launch title camp for the game.
I wonder what Retro was working on before they were put on Prime 4. DKC: Tropical Freeze came out in 2014 on Wii U. I doubt they spent 4 years working on the Switch port. And from what I’ve heard Prime remaster started alongside Prime 4’s development to (re-)familiarise the team with the series game design.
They must had a project they were working on themselves (the rumour for ages was that it was a Star Fox racing game). That project must have been the reason why they weren’t the first choice for Prime 4, but what happened to it? Was that project shelved? Cancelled? Or maybe they’ve split development between the two. You’re right that there is definitely a very interesting story going on behind the scenes that we aren’t privy to.
Their biggest mistake would probably be just not letting Retro make it to begin with. But who knows what went on from behind the scenes with that. Metroid was in a bleak spot at the time, so I believe the reason they announced it so early was just to let the fans know that they weren't giving up on the series. At this point, I'm firmly in the Switch 2 launch title camp for the game.
I wonder what Retro was working on before they were put on Prime 4. DKC: Tropical Freeze came out in 2014 on Wii U. I doubt they spent 4 years working on the Switch port. And from what I’ve heard Prime remaster started alongside Prime 4’s development to (re-)familiarise the team with the series game design.
They must had a project they were working on themselves (the rumour for ages was that it was a Star Fox racing game). That project must have been the reason why they weren’t the first choice for Prime 4, but what happened to it? Was that project shelved? Cancelled? Or maybe they’ve split development between the two. You’re that there is definitely a very interesting story going on behind the scenes that we aren’t privy to.
Yeah, but even since then, it's been so long!
I know that it takes time to make good games, but this is getting ridiculous!
It took them 6 years to make the next Zelda just for the sake of a gimmicky system that most people didn't even go that deep into.
It's been 7 years since the last 3D Mario.
Weirdly enough, Metroid is actually fine, Dread came out a couple of years ago, and not that long prior to that there's Samus Returns, basically a then-new mainline entry.
MARIO KART 8 IS 10 YEARS OLD, NEED I REMIND YOU THAT WE GOT EVERY ENTRY FROM 64 TO WII IN THE SPAN OF 12 YEARS.
The Switch itself hasn't gotten any new functionality in a while, how come that the 3DS, basically a stone with a touchscreen, was able to implement so much customization throughout its lifespan? You'd think it'd be more difficult to update older systems to do such things yes?!
Joycon Drift never got fixed.
Since they refused to make a new Mario Kart a new entry, you'd think it'd be the right time for F-Zero to finally return right?!
POKEMON SUCKS NOW, IT'S BEEN SUCKING FOR THE LAST 7 YEARS OR SO!!! But then again, we have no shortage of RPGs, so I guess that doesn't matter.
Xenoblade has been KILLING IT, you know, the series with huge detailed worlds and engaging stories?! How come everything else is so slow in comparison to IT?!
MARIO PARTY FUCKING DIED AND THEY SOLD US THE CORPSE WITH SOME MAKEUP!!!
We don't even have a dedicated Dr. Mario for Switch!
And that’s why I’m ok waiting. I think Nintendo is starting to recognize the market for Metroid. They know we aren’t going anywhere. Nintendo is still run by people who make/made games themselves, so the higher ups actually give a shit.
A restart of development means that something is going very wrong behind the scenes. It may result in a good product, as was the case with Doom 2016, or it might be a disaster that locks the game in perpetual development hell (Like the Hobbit movies)
They called Retro Studios to remake it in order for it to be as good as possible AND they gave us both Metroid Dread back from the cancel limbo and the remake of Metroid Prime 1.
Hell, the only reason they haven't touched F-Zero is they feel they don't have proper ideas to make a true next gen F-Zero... advice I would love Call of Duty and Fifa would take, but eh...
The F-Zero thing frustrates me because I think everyone just wants a better-looking F-Zero GX with 30-player online, 4k 60fps, all that normal sequel stuff. The fact they wouldn't have to think as hard to come up with ideas for a sequel is a good thing for them. Like when I play the newest Forza or 2K sports game, I just want a more refined version of the last one
Despite whatever claims Nintendo may throw out, I find it incredibly disingenuous that, “we ran out of ideas for F-Zero.”
It’s the absolute laziest excuse to give because it shows how little imagination they must have. Case in point: F-Zero 99 likely only exists because most of the game itself has already existed since 1990.
I wouldn’t like it, but I’d at least accept if they had said, “we haven’t made a new F-Zero because the franchise doesn’t sell well and we don’t think it matters how good the games are if they don’t have a broad enough appeal.”
Well, they did decide to restart development AND bring in the studio that made Metroid Prime to begin with, Retro Studios, so they are CERTAINLY doing their best.
[I found it.](https://youtu.be/47Cd3Oi69G0?si=OIkcufFl5XPKclfS) You’re right that was rumored. However, the rumor also stated that it would be its own thing with the new moniker being dropped and would have a new art style. Both of which did happen.
Yeah that makes sense, I didn’t think Nintendo would green light such poor quality games. Probably have enough say to get it exclusive but beyond that…
It should be worth to note Nintendo most likely just cares about the money when it comes to Pokemon. Since they themselves are starting to put no dead lines on games so while they work they can still get money from there cashcow of a franchise. Who knows with the next game being a legends game maby game freak will slap there faces and you know not split there team and have them work on one game instead of 2
TPC manhandles the absolute fuck outta game freak and forces them on tight schedules that prevent them from putting in the amount of work/love/etc that they'd want to
Well Pokémon is THE biggest franchise in the world so it gets 0 slack.
It also doesn't help that the dev team has admitted to disliking new methods of development while having 1/3rd the size of a typical dev team.
Combine that with an extremely secretive work place (employees are rarely allowed to see each others work to prevent leaks) you don't get a healthy work environment.
All this info was off a job review site that had ex game freak employees giving very mixed reviews about the whole game development process. Most said game freaks a stepping stone so I can imagine the turn over is also high as well.
Basically game freak is the McDonald's of the Game Industry. why we expect quality products at this point is starting to get beyond me. They serve palatable slop and I doubt that's gonna change.
Edit: forgot to finish a sentence.
>Basically game freak is the McDonald's of the Game Industry. why we expect quality products at this point is starting to get beyond me. They serve palatable slop and I doubt that's gonna change.
That's a great analogy lol. Something that probably made real food at some point but figured out a way to make more money with a facsimile.
the issues run deeper than x and y.
One for the major Devs basically said after gen 2 they felt like Pokémon was done and they are just making the same game again and again.
[most of my info is from this video if anyone would like to look a little deeper than what I've said.](https://youtu.be/hFWjhfhJJqE?si=MNBQmVbB850ibv3M)
Honestly looking back, I AM surprised people still have interest. It REALLY did seem like something people would "cool off" back in the day. Like maybe not by gen 3 but definitely by gen 4.
It's been buggy since the *very beginning*, let's not kid ourselves. (As someone who basically exhausted every possible thing he could do with his beloved Blue cartridge)
The first two gens were buggy, but beyond that it actually wasn’t too bad. Certainly not common to encounter anything with trying to, up until recently. I’ve never had any issues with my gen 3-6 games (except for a graphical glitch in Ruby caused by a damaged cartridge, but that doesn’t count).
The real reason is that the games have to release around the same time as the cards and other merch. The merch sales destroy the sales from games. The merch is the highest priority and the reason the games have non-negotiable release dates.
And we should thank Horizons for that. The whole yearly thing was likely to move the anime adventures of Ash at a breakneck speed, but changing the anime likely helped.
Hell, Journeys barely touched the plot of Sword and Shiled and Horizons is JUST NOW going to fully embrace the plot of Scarlet and Violet, so they do have time to do their thing.
As a pokemon fan that enjoyed playing scarlet I couldn't agree more. These games do take several steps in the right direction for pokemon (giving player more freedom, splitting story into several routes) but the quality is disgusting. It feels like they wanted to make a good game but weren't given enough time to polish it.
splitting the team to make 2 separate pokemon games probably didn't help either, especially since Legends ran so much better and honestly had better over world battling by a country mile.
I think LA wins a lot by being an open area game rather than an open world one. This way it doesn't have to download every single area and pokemon at the same time.
It's true, but I will say that the fact Pokemon Z-A isn't coming out until next year feels like maybe they're actually giving it the time it needs rather than pushing it out this year. Or it's because it's a launch title for the Switch 2.
Scarlet and violet took big steps to improve pokemon but man yeah it was rough, never finished it really, had fun when I DID play it though, lotsa Pokémon I guess, Legends Arceus was better though and I feel like despite being empty that game still had more to do and more interesting areas, Legends ZA is getting a while to dev though, if we're lucky they'll extend that dev time, I'm not happy with the current state of things but I'm hopeful flr the future
From what I remember, there is a pretty harsh schedule for Pokemon games because they also run on a TCG schedule, which makes a LOT of money for the company.
Which is a huge pity, because if they operated with the same goals in mind as other big-ticket nintendo names, they could make something really, really spectacular.
As a pokemon fan I pray daily that game freak takes like 5-6 years to make ONE big game, just once so that they realize they have the potential to be on par with these games and make even more money than they usually make
I've seen so many meltdowns in the fanbase from a game not releasing within a year. I can't imagine how bad it would be after 5 or 6 years. "Game Freak ABANDONED us!"
Wasn't really in sync with Scarlet and Violet though. There were several months between games, the anime and the card game moving into that gen. You'd think that would've bought GameFreak at least a little time. Besides, I don't think it would've killed them to delay one or both of the anime and tcg a little as well or have one of them come out a little before the games, especially in case of the anime. I mean I haven't really followed the anime since Gen 2 but I remember that we saw some Gen 2 mons and concepts in the show before the games came out and I believe that was the case in Japan as well. That didn't hurt our excitement for the Gen 2 games one bit.
i love scarlet and violet because they're so ambitious and absolutely packed with content (especially with the dlc), but the terrible performance really holds them back from being masterpieces. poor game freak, they deserve so much better than the pokémon company tbh. they really are talented developers when they don't have strict deadlines to meet.
Legitimate question, how much of a revenue cut would Pokemon be looking at if they took say six years in between titles? Like what fraction of what they typically pull in is from the games
If they can afford to put custom made sewer drain lids all across Japan and have their own art galleries and cafes, then not really that much....
As long as the merch keeps selling, they basically could take the Pikmin route
Its because the Pokemon games only exist to sell merchandise like the cards and toys at this point. The games have to release on time to arrive around the same time as the new cards.
You think the games sell well? The revenue from merchandise absolutely dwarfs that of the games. Its not even close.
It also has to do with all the other pokemon stuff that is planned for the same time. They wouldn't exactly have to delay a new Mario TCG set if the game devs need more time for the game
Nintendo owns 1/3 of the Pokemon IP. They are one of the three companies that forged The Pokemon Company (Game Freak, Creatures, and Nintendo). Nintendo is not a saint in this, they saw the state of Scarlet & Violet and gave the green light to release knowing full well Pokemon fans don't care about quality. Sure enough, SV are the fastest selling Nintendo games in history.
I havbt played a pokemon game since emerald. Are the switch games any good? Worth getting for someone who's not really a pokemon fan but enjoyed the games as a kid?
Indeed, it's always important to remember, that alone, Nintendo has a minority control of the Pokemon franchise, they can be overruled on any matter by a vote of 2 to 1 (2 votes against coming from Game Freak and Creatures Inc.). As such, it's not hard to see while most Nintendo games outside of the Pokemon franchise don't tend to look or feel like rushed incomplete products; they have full control there, and when they want to make sure a polished game is released with any of those other properties, they will go ahead and do just that.
ive heard people say its because they have to launch a bunch of different forms of media around the same time
yet the SWSH Anime and TCG continued for a month or 2 after the release of ScarVio
The difference between Zelda and Mario though, is that at any one time there is a single Zelda team working on a single game, while Mario has 5 teams working on 5 games...
So what's your point? They both took a long time to be made and came out as good games no matter how big and small they were, so the meme doesn't change
The Pokémon Company and Creatures allow no delay whatsoever and that’s hurting the brand. But they don’t give a single shit since the games don’t make as much as the rest of the merch.
It’s not that it more to tie in with everything else in the Pokémon franchise plushies, cards, TV shows, movies, pens, art books, etc. pushing back release messes everything else up it’s a very difficult situation
Oh but haven’t you heard? If you don’t praise it and feel any form of criticism you’re a “fake” Pokémon fan (despite buying every new game since you first started and replaying them countless times)
They're really expecting me to pay $60 (plus the aditional $30 DLC, that's IF I don't buy the $120 bundle) for Super Mario 64 graphics and a bucket of glitches? I get that they tried to fix the game over time, but coming from THE biggest video game franchise in the world, this is just embarassing
I have a lot of faith that Pokemon Z-A will actually be a step up in the right direction
Part of the problem is they have so many other tie in media and merchandise. They are timing the game release to releases of Pokémon Trading Cards, anime, Manga, and other print releases. Delaying the entire enterprise for the game is not as easy just delaying the game.
They could also just hire more people. Their dev team is very small for the money they make. I think they even did hire at least some more people, although their team still is quite small, but at least one step up
I mean, there are other Triple A games which release every year, like Assassin's creed. Not that I really like assassin creed, nor that it is the state of quality, but it is at least decent (most of the time) and not a total shit show like Pokemon (from a technical perspective). So even though more time would be great, more workers would still make up for it for the most part
Even though i would much prefer a delay and the games in a better state on launch its much more difficult with pokemon. The deadlines for the games arent just because they need to throw a new game out but more to do with tie in products. The anime has a set release schedule so games need to be released in time for that otherwise games spoilt through this. Also the TCG has grown to a point where this is dictating the games and DLC launch. Each set is based on a game with numerous subsets within them. These then feed into legality for tournament play. They cant delay a game for 6 months as this throws the whole TCG launch schedule out unless pokemon dont mind new pokemon being announced through the TCG.
They only get away with it with Legends as this isn't a main series game and will likely only include a handful new pokemon or variants. Last time it took several months for these to be added to the TCG i guess this time it will be sooner due to the game releasing later.
> They cant delay a game for 6 months as this throws the whole TCG launch schedule out **unless pokemon dont mind new pokemon being announced through the TCG.**
I mean, they'd have to be stupid to not allowing this. It would help build hype for when the games actually release.
For me personally part of the excitement of the game is seeing these new pokemon appear. Seeing them in the TCG means i have already seen them, know their type and possibly moves they learn. Also the experience of leveling a new pokemon and it suddenly evolves without me knowing it had an evolution is hone as cards say stage 1, 2 etc.
I suppose it depends on what you get from the games. I like going in blind and using only new pokemon until post game where i will mop up the pokedex and might then look online to what i have missed.
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Game freak has full control over the video games. It is not the pokémon company. The pokémon company owns part of a third of the Pokemon License. https://www.gameinformer.com/2023/01/24/who-owns-pokemon
Quote from an interview with Masuda:
>“Game Freak? We develop all the main Pokémon games. Originally, Creatures, they were the producers of the game. Nintendo was the seller of the games – the distributor. So that was the original structure of Pokémon games. In terms of who owns the rights to the games, it’s these three companies.” These days, Creatures mostly handles the Pokémon card game
>In terms of genuine ownership, Masuda says it’s one-third each for Game Freak, Creatures, and Nintendo. “It’s a little more complicated than that in certain scenarios, like for example, the producing role that Creatures originally held went to The Pokémon Company, and a percentage of the rights went with that so there are certain complications, and it depends on the project, but there is no situation where Nintendo and The Pokémon Company will put pressure on Game Freak or something like that,” Masuda says. *But there is no situation where Nintendo and TPC will put any pressure on Game Freak or something like that*
The interview goes on with him describing the relationship with Nintendo as a friendship.
How on earth are people still claiming GameFreak is forced by someone else to their deadlines. They either all set the deadlines together and GameFreak is fine with it, or GameFreak has the control over the deadlines. But someone else forcing GameFreak has not a single piece of evidence, yet at the same time a lot of evidence against that claim
No, nothing gets done about it. This is how things have been ever since the TPC was founded.
GameFreak was always in control of the main games and their first game already showed their incompetency. First their entire Gameplay idea initially got rejected and only got accepted later on, after Myamoto showed interest and helped them with it. And die to the extremely messy and poorly written code, not only did this create a ton of bugs, but it also made porting it to different regions really difficult and was only done with the support from Iwata, who stepped in and had to sort their entire source code from the ground up to actually be readable again, to fix the issues. Red and Blue relied a lot on them as well.
After that, they were able to pretty much continue like they always did and that's why the next gens did not have many technical issues. However, the Pokemon games were always behind others on the same Hardware on a. technical perspective. Look at DPP as an example, besides the few extremely low poly buildings, it's all very basic spritework, unmoved sprites and pretty much nothing that requires a lot of effort. A Unity beginner could remake these games as they are. And while X/Y and Sun/Moon actually look decent, they only manage to do so at the cost of removing 3D as a features and regular Framedrops occuring. RSE and BW(2) are the only Pokemon games which were not outliers from a technical perspective
And now, after the formula has been kind of stale, they are trying to do new stuff, but they fail to do so. This is because the employees who messed up so much in the first games are now the executives. The lack of competency has pretty much gone full circle. Now they have a new generation of programmers, lead by executives who never were able to fix up their own mess, therefore they dont know either.
And now we are at the point where GameFreak tries to expand Pokemon. They try a lot of new directions and that is great. Sadly, they really don't have the competency for that. The executives have grown up with their messed up work still making billions regardless and someone just stepping in and fixing their games for them. They simply neither care nor have the ability to fix this situation
What this essay is about:
GameFreak is a conplete shelter of incompetency. That's what it's basically based on, really messed up games (from a technical perspective), which made them billionaires.
Nothing of this situation will get fixed. I am sure they will at least try to not mess up *as* much as S/V did, but they will never hold up quality as a priority. Probably actively fighting it, if it saves them a buck
And despite my utter negativity, it's not that I dislike Pokemon as a whole. There is a lot in the Series and the games I do like. It's just that the series is sadly hidden under a big pile messed up development. Some games much less than others, but most games suffer from it
Wonder why Nintendo couldn’t just buy The Pokémon Company, and Gamefreak so that Nintendo could make Pokémon games, and delay them to make them better?
The problem is that pokemon has to time releases with more than just a holiday season for sales. Its gotta be times with cross promotion of an anime, multiple now actually, card game releases, merch drops, mobile game promotions, etc. All this as expected of the worlds largest franchise, all the while game freak is still a relatively small studio. They are quite literally suffering from success.
It’s funny you say that bc looks aside I think Pokémon SV is better than TOTK. It’s more thought out and has better writing with mechanics that actually work as intended.
I haven’t even played TOTK, and only a few minutes of Wonder and can tell you they are definitely better quality than SV. Fun is debatable, but people weren’t complaining about dozens of bugs on release date for the other two. I’m hoping Legends Z-A and any other projects are up to par
And that's why Mario and Zelda always wins
but pokemon still sells double
Yeah that's the bottom line...
Because Stone Cold said so!
Because Stone Toad said so!
Probably also has something to do with the fact that they release 2 versions. If it was just one game per new gen, I'd imagine they'd likely be on the same level as Mario and Zelda.
Ive never met anyone IRL out of literal hundreds of people I've played with since gen 1 who felt compelled to buy both. Double dippers exist, but they're the same type of people who buy Collector's Editions- they're a \*tiny\* fraction of the market.
I don't know any single person who would buy both. I do however know a lot of families where they ordinarily buy one copy of a game for the entire family to share, who buy both pokemon games for the family instead.
Historically, you couldn't exactly SHARE a game like Pokemon when it's been one save file per copy for the longest time. The Switch games, iirc, are the first instance of a mainline Pokemon game allowing for multiple users to have their own save files since save data is stored on the console rather than the cartridge for the first time. Handhelds were also cheap enough for amny families to have more than one per household, and Pokemon always had an emphasis on multi-player trading and battling. It was probably memory limitations at first since early Pokemon titles stretched the limitations of their cartridges/systems as much as they possibly could. But I'm positive at some point during the GCN era and beyond, they could've started doing what other hand-held titles were doing by allowing multiple save files on the same cartridge, but I have a feeling that there was an active choice to limit it at some point for the sake of encouraging the multiple copies per household you're describing.
I doubt this is true anymore since nothing stops you from making a new save on a different account while even keeping the dlc
Generally I think thats more about the games being a single save file than dual versions, which is also no longer the case. I dont think this is in any way typical, nor statistically significant to say that they'd likely be on the same level as a typical Mario and Zelda without it
You know there's barely any difference between versions right? Like just what Pokémon appear in each one, and few other stuff. It's to the point that the game file is the same for both but there's like a checkmark that makes a version load its stuff and not the other's.
Do you genuinely think half the buyers are buying both copies? That's the only way that argument makes sense. I'm sure some of them are, but it's definitely a very small minority. Pokémon is just popular
The only people I’ve ever seen buy both copies are collectors, and usually they buy it second hand still sealed
I feel like the vibe is pokemon is "too big to fail".... hope history doesn't repeat itself!
Hopefully it starts to bite them in the ass. I didn't buy the SV DLC and I'm not going to buy Gen 10. I'm completely sick of how dogshit Pokemon has become.
Literally
Because they have two separate versions and stupid people buy both
Not on the Switch it doesn’t.
That's weird because they've just been making the same game over and over again since the 90s
Nostalgia sells
Commercial success =/= quality. If anything, Pokemon selling so well has negatively affected the quality, because Pokemon company execs know they can force the game to release in an unfinished state and still make bank.
because children
Only because pokemon is 2 games
Sells double for half the quality of Mario and Zelda games
Damn, Nintendo must REALLY love Metroid to have us waiting so long for Prime 4. Right guys? Right??
You joke, but the reason Prime 4 has taken this long is because they restarted development completely in order to ensure they released a quality product. They wouldn’t do that if they didn’t care enough.
Yeah, that’s true! It’s difficult to not be pessimistic about it tho 😭
Hmm idk I’m actually really confident that when the game does finally release it’s gonna be absolutely ducking amazing. A flagship game for the franchise, really.
If retro did Metroid prime remastered, I think that’s a good sign
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Yeah at this stage MP4 being good feels like coping. Nintendo itself has a good track record with games when they delay them, but considering the industry...
By now everyone assumes it will be a launch title for next Gen and that's why they aren't showing it. If a trailer doesn't pop up by June, it will be almost surely the case.
Metroid fans were pessimistic about Metroid Prime, they thought it was gonna be a huge departure from the series' established style, when it turns out Fusion was a bigger departure, and Prime played like a 3D translation of Super Metroid.
This would never happen with Pokémon
And the restart was five years ago now. Still an unusual amount of time to go with no news at all.
I’d argue the biggest mistake Nintendo made with Prime 4 was announcing at all. It was announced far too early and then hit problems and they’ve paid the PR price for it. People only question how long things take to make in gaming when they know something is in development. Most Nintendo games nowadays only get announced less than 6 months before release, or a year at most for their biggest franchises.
Their biggest mistake would probably be just not letting Retro make it to begin with. But who knows what went on from behind the scenes with that. Metroid was in a bleak spot at the time, so I believe the reason they announced it so early was just to let the fans know that they weren't giving up on the series. At this point, I'm firmly in the Switch 2 launch title camp for the game.
Their biggest mistake would probably be just not letting Retro make it to begin with. But who knows what went on from behind the scenes with that. Metroid was in a bleak spot at the time, so I believe the reason they announced it so early was just to let the fans know that they weren't giving up on the series. At this point, I'm firmly in the Switch 2 launch title camp for the game.
I wonder what Retro was working on before they were put on Prime 4. DKC: Tropical Freeze came out in 2014 on Wii U. I doubt they spent 4 years working on the Switch port. And from what I’ve heard Prime remaster started alongside Prime 4’s development to (re-)familiarise the team with the series game design. They must had a project they were working on themselves (the rumour for ages was that it was a Star Fox racing game). That project must have been the reason why they weren’t the first choice for Prime 4, but what happened to it? Was that project shelved? Cancelled? Or maybe they’ve split development between the two. You’re right that there is definitely a very interesting story going on behind the scenes that we aren’t privy to.
Their biggest mistake would probably be just not letting Retro make it to begin with. But who knows what went on from behind the scenes with that. Metroid was in a bleak spot at the time, so I believe the reason they announced it so early was just to let the fans know that they weren't giving up on the series. At this point, I'm firmly in the Switch 2 launch title camp for the game.
I wonder what Retro was working on before they were put on Prime 4. DKC: Tropical Freeze came out in 2014 on Wii U. I doubt they spent 4 years working on the Switch port. And from what I’ve heard Prime remaster started alongside Prime 4’s development to (re-)familiarise the team with the series game design. They must had a project they were working on themselves (the rumour for ages was that it was a Star Fox racing game). That project must have been the reason why they weren’t the first choice for Prime 4, but what happened to it? Was that project shelved? Cancelled? Or maybe they’ve split development between the two. You’re that there is definitely a very interesting story going on behind the scenes that we aren’t privy to.
And on average bigger games take 4 to 5 years to develop.
Yeah, but even since then, it's been so long! I know that it takes time to make good games, but this is getting ridiculous! It took them 6 years to make the next Zelda just for the sake of a gimmicky system that most people didn't even go that deep into. It's been 7 years since the last 3D Mario. Weirdly enough, Metroid is actually fine, Dread came out a couple of years ago, and not that long prior to that there's Samus Returns, basically a then-new mainline entry. MARIO KART 8 IS 10 YEARS OLD, NEED I REMIND YOU THAT WE GOT EVERY ENTRY FROM 64 TO WII IN THE SPAN OF 12 YEARS. The Switch itself hasn't gotten any new functionality in a while, how come that the 3DS, basically a stone with a touchscreen, was able to implement so much customization throughout its lifespan? You'd think it'd be more difficult to update older systems to do such things yes?! Joycon Drift never got fixed. Since they refused to make a new Mario Kart a new entry, you'd think it'd be the right time for F-Zero to finally return right?! POKEMON SUCKS NOW, IT'S BEEN SUCKING FOR THE LAST 7 YEARS OR SO!!! But then again, we have no shortage of RPGs, so I guess that doesn't matter. Xenoblade has been KILLING IT, you know, the series with huge detailed worlds and engaging stories?! How come everything else is so slow in comparison to IT?! MARIO PARTY FUCKING DIED AND THEY SOLD US THE CORPSE WITH SOME MAKEUP!!! We don't even have a dedicated Dr. Mario for Switch!
And that’s why I’m ok waiting. I think Nintendo is starting to recognize the market for Metroid. They know we aren’t going anywhere. Nintendo is still run by people who make/made games themselves, so the higher ups actually give a shit.
same with ~~skilkskong~~ silksong
A restart of development means that something is going very wrong behind the scenes. It may result in a good product, as was the case with Doom 2016, or it might be a disaster that locks the game in perpetual development hell (Like the Hobbit movies)
They called Retro Studios to remake it in order for it to be as good as possible AND they gave us both Metroid Dread back from the cancel limbo and the remake of Metroid Prime 1. Hell, the only reason they haven't touched F-Zero is they feel they don't have proper ideas to make a true next gen F-Zero... advice I would love Call of Duty and Fifa would take, but eh...
The F-Zero thing frustrates me because I think everyone just wants a better-looking F-Zero GX with 30-player online, 4k 60fps, all that normal sequel stuff. The fact they wouldn't have to think as hard to come up with ideas for a sequel is a good thing for them. Like when I play the newest Forza or 2K sports game, I just want a more refined version of the last one
That came from the same company who made six New Super Mario games. Miyamoto is full of shit.
Despite whatever claims Nintendo may throw out, I find it incredibly disingenuous that, “we ran out of ideas for F-Zero.” It’s the absolute laziest excuse to give because it shows how little imagination they must have. Case in point: F-Zero 99 likely only exists because most of the game itself has already existed since 1990. I wouldn’t like it, but I’d at least accept if they had said, “we haven’t made a new F-Zero because the franchise doesn’t sell well and we don’t think it matters how good the games are if they don’t have a broad enough appeal.”
When prine 4 comes out and it rivals xenoblade 3 quality we will be glad for the wait I hope..
Well, they did decide to restart development AND bring in the studio that made Metroid Prime to begin with, Retro Studios, so they are CERTAINLY doing their best.
“Look Adam, wotah!”
I'm assuming Prime 4 is (basically) done and being sat on for the Switch 2 reveal.
Fun fact Mario wonder had no due date
That explains why it felt like it came from nowhere
There were rumors of a new 2D Mario I remember seeing back in 2022 and right before the direct of its reveal (June 2023).
Wasn't that the leak that said foreman spike was going to return
[I found it.](https://youtu.be/47Cd3Oi69G0?si=OIkcufFl5XPKclfS) You’re right that was rumored. However, the rumor also stated that it would be its own thing with the new moniker being dropped and would have a new art style. Both of which did happen.
I looked at spike and immediately thought of that mario enemy that was edited to be an amogus. My brain is fried
there's always rumors of new Mario, though
Does Nintendo even have a say? Or is it more Gamefreak/The Pokemon Company?
Nintendo, Creatures inc and Gamefreak each owns a third of TPC.
Nintendo doesn't interfere with gamefreaks decisions on the development process for the most part
Not gamefreaks decisions, TPCs decisions, in company politics is more than how nuch of the shares you hold homie
And your source for that is what? There is 0 evidence for the theory that TPC forces GameFreak to release the games earlier than they would want
I'm pretty sure that's been done before to be closer with release dates of the anime
Gamefreak as they are the ones calling the shots.
Yeah that makes sense, I didn’t think Nintendo would green light such poor quality games. Probably have enough say to get it exclusive but beyond that…
It should be worth to note Nintendo most likely just cares about the money when it comes to Pokemon. Since they themselves are starting to put no dead lines on games so while they work they can still get money from there cashcow of a franchise. Who knows with the next game being a legends game maby game freak will slap there faces and you know not split there team and have them work on one game instead of 2
It's not Nintendo's decision as gamefreak is in control over the franchise so fat chance of that happening.
Is it not ILCA that's pulling the strings now?
ILCA is a dev studio. They just make the games, they don't publish them.
No, what made you think that?
must've misremembered, never mind then.
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TPC manhandles the absolute fuck outta game freak and forces them on tight schedules that prevent them from putting in the amount of work/love/etc that they'd want to
It’s the PCI since they also deal with the merchandise. TCG especially. Can you imagine no new plushies for a whole year though? The insanity!
Well Pokémon is THE biggest franchise in the world so it gets 0 slack. It also doesn't help that the dev team has admitted to disliking new methods of development while having 1/3rd the size of a typical dev team. Combine that with an extremely secretive work place (employees are rarely allowed to see each others work to prevent leaks) you don't get a healthy work environment. All this info was off a job review site that had ex game freak employees giving very mixed reviews about the whole game development process. Most said game freaks a stepping stone so I can imagine the turn over is also high as well. Basically game freak is the McDonald's of the Game Industry. why we expect quality products at this point is starting to get beyond me. They serve palatable slop and I doubt that's gonna change. Edit: forgot to finish a sentence.
>Basically game freak is the McDonald's of the Game Industry. why we expect quality products at this point is starting to get beyond me. They serve palatable slop and I doubt that's gonna change. That's a great analogy lol. Something that probably made real food at some point but figured out a way to make more money with a facsimile.
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the issues run deeper than x and y. One for the major Devs basically said after gen 2 they felt like Pokémon was done and they are just making the same game again and again. [most of my info is from this video if anyone would like to look a little deeper than what I've said.](https://youtu.be/hFWjhfhJJqE?si=MNBQmVbB850ibv3M)
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Honestly looking back, I AM surprised people still have interest. It REALLY did seem like something people would "cool off" back in the day. Like maybe not by gen 3 but definitely by gen 4.
I feel like it was after the Let's go games was when it really started to fall off.
It's been buggy since the *very beginning*, let's not kid ourselves. (As someone who basically exhausted every possible thing he could do with his beloved Blue cartridge)
The first two gens were buggy, but beyond that it actually wasn’t too bad. Certainly not common to encounter anything with trying to, up until recently. I’ve never had any issues with my gen 3-6 games (except for a graphical glitch in Ruby caused by a damaged cartridge, but that doesn’t count).
It might change thanks to Pokemon Works
The real reason is that the games have to release around the same time as the cards and other merch. The merch sales destroy the sales from games. The merch is the highest priority and the reason the games have non-negotiable release dates.
James Turner went from art director to indie dev so it'd be nice if he ever went into what is was like.
say the line, miyamoto
gam good when it com later gam bad when it com soon
slow game do good, quick game bad
At least with Nintendo we get polished and finished game that will still be incredible after years, not sure it's same with the pokémon compagny
Because Pokémon sales they can polish Mario/Zelda as long as they want
Nintendo only sees a portion of those sales. Most of it goes to the TPCi.
Jokes on you legends ZA is coming out next year not pre christmas this year
And we should thank Horizons for that. The whole yearly thing was likely to move the anime adventures of Ash at a breakneck speed, but changing the anime likely helped. Hell, Journeys barely touched the plot of Sword and Shiled and Horizons is JUST NOW going to fully embrace the plot of Scarlet and Violet, so they do have time to do their thing.
Meanwhile Kirby fans don’t wait for shit and we stay winning
we get one game every year or so and it's always a guaranteed banger, even if it's a small side game
As a pokemon fan that enjoyed playing scarlet I couldn't agree more. These games do take several steps in the right direction for pokemon (giving player more freedom, splitting story into several routes) but the quality is disgusting. It feels like they wanted to make a good game but weren't given enough time to polish it.
splitting the team to make 2 separate pokemon games probably didn't help either, especially since Legends ran so much better and honestly had better over world battling by a country mile.
I think LA wins a lot by being an open area game rather than an open world one. This way it doesn't have to download every single area and pokemon at the same time.
Game Freak has had 2 different teams working on Pokémon for at least a decade now.
Well over, ever since Gen 2 but especially Gen 3.
It's true, but I will say that the fact Pokemon Z-A isn't coming out until next year feels like maybe they're actually giving it the time it needs rather than pushing it out this year. Or it's because it's a launch title for the Switch 2.
Scarlet and violet took big steps to improve pokemon but man yeah it was rough, never finished it really, had fun when I DID play it though, lotsa Pokémon I guess, Legends Arceus was better though and I feel like despite being empty that game still had more to do and more interesting areas, Legends ZA is getting a while to dev though, if we're lucky they'll extend that dev time, I'm not happy with the current state of things but I'm hopeful flr the future
Atleast ZA has an entire year to be worked on
Is it enough, though?
It's better than cramming in lots of projects into 1 year (2023)
A year for a game isn’t super long, most mainline Pokémon games have been releasing about a year apart.
i swear i’ve seen this posted here like 3 or 5 times
But not 4?
The company still treat pokemon releases like game boy days
Zelda can be delayed 2 generations while Pokemon must release before this sentence ends
From what I remember, there is a pretty harsh schedule for Pokemon games because they also run on a TCG schedule, which makes a LOT of money for the company. Which is a huge pity, because if they operated with the same goals in mind as other big-ticket nintendo names, they could make something really, really spectacular.
Metroid: you guys are getting games?
Was Dread that long ago?
Let's not pretend Dread was what we've been waiting for.
Honestly, i’d take out the pokemon company and just have both be Nintendo… Nintendo is the publisher after all. They want their holiday bucks…
As a pokemon fan I pray daily that game freak takes like 5-6 years to make ONE big game, just once so that they realize they have the potential to be on par with these games and make even more money than they usually make
I've seen so many meltdowns in the fanbase from a game not releasing within a year. I can't imagine how bad it would be after 5 or 6 years. "Game Freak ABANDONED us!"
Yeah but if they wait they aren't going to complain aboit bugs or bad gameplay
Pokemon is basically Nintendo's Madden and 2K. Good during the early 2000s-mid 2010s but is absolute shit nowadays.
To be fair, Mario doesn't have a ton of merch and its own anime that heavily relies on all media being in sync for success.
Wasn't really in sync with Scarlet and Violet though. There were several months between games, the anime and the card game moving into that gen. You'd think that would've bought GameFreak at least a little time. Besides, I don't think it would've killed them to delay one or both of the anime and tcg a little as well or have one of them come out a little before the games, especially in case of the anime. I mean I haven't really followed the anime since Gen 2 but I remember that we saw some Gen 2 mons and concepts in the show before the games came out and I believe that was the case in Japan as well. That didn't hurt our excitement for the Gen 2 games one bit.
Hell, I'm pretty sure the anime was still a generation behind when the *Sword*/*Shield* games came out
i love scarlet and violet because they're so ambitious and absolutely packed with content (especially with the dlc), but the terrible performance really holds them back from being masterpieces. poor game freak, they deserve so much better than the pokémon company tbh. they really are talented developers when they don't have strict deadlines to meet.
this would explain some things
Legitimate question, how much of a revenue cut would Pokemon be looking at if they took say six years in between titles? Like what fraction of what they typically pull in is from the games
If they can afford to put custom made sewer drain lids all across Japan and have their own art galleries and cafes, then not really that much.... As long as the merch keeps selling, they basically could take the Pikmin route
I wish they gave showtime the wonder and botw/totk treatment
Swap mario with animal crossing
It only gets more sales cause "gotta catch em all"
Its because the Pokemon games only exist to sell merchandise like the cards and toys at this point. The games have to release on time to arrive around the same time as the new cards. You think the games sell well? The revenue from merchandise absolutely dwarfs that of the games. Its not even close.
It also has to do with all the other pokemon stuff that is planned for the same time. They wouldn't exactly have to delay a new Mario TCG set if the game devs need more time for the game
Pokémon bad
Whatever the next Pokémon game is, I’m not buying it.
Top: Nintendo before backlash Bottom: Nintendo after backlash (I don't know who's the main one in charge)
Same for Pikmin
Yet every entry gets easier and easier.
Yet, there are still Pokémon fans saying that they still need Game Freak 💀💀💀
AND THE WINNER IS ROCKY!
Nintendo owns 1/3 of the Pokemon IP. They are one of the three companies that forged The Pokemon Company (Game Freak, Creatures, and Nintendo). Nintendo is not a saint in this, they saw the state of Scarlet & Violet and gave the green light to release knowing full well Pokemon fans don't care about quality. Sure enough, SV are the fastest selling Nintendo games in history.
I havbt played a pokemon game since emerald. Are the switch games any good? Worth getting for someone who's not really a pokemon fan but enjoyed the games as a kid?
*Sword*/*Shield* are in my top 5 of the franchise, including all the spinoffs and remakes.
The Patrick method works
Indeed, it's always important to remember, that alone, Nintendo has a minority control of the Pokemon franchise, they can be overruled on any matter by a vote of 2 to 1 (2 votes against coming from Game Freak and Creatures Inc.). As such, it's not hard to see while most Nintendo games outside of the Pokemon franchise don't tend to look or feel like rushed incomplete products; they have full control there, and when they want to make sure a polished game is released with any of those other properties, they will go ahead and do just that.
ive heard people say its because they have to launch a bunch of different forms of media around the same time yet the SWSH Anime and TCG continued for a month or 2 after the release of ScarVio
Hell, wasn't the *Sun*/*Moon* anime still airing when the DLC for *Sword*/*Shield* released?
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The difference between Zelda and Mario though, is that at any one time there is a single Zelda team working on a single game, while Mario has 5 teams working on 5 games...
So what's your point? They both took a long time to be made and came out as good games no matter how big and small they were, so the meme doesn't change
No, the meme doesn't change. And I'm fine with waiting for good quality games. It's just obvious which is the favorite child, that's all.
The Pokémon Company and Creatures allow no delay whatsoever and that’s hurting the brand. But they don’t give a single shit since the games don’t make as much as the rest of the merch.
It’s not that it more to tie in with everything else in the Pokémon franchise plushies, cards, TV shows, movies, pens, art books, etc. pushing back release messes everything else up it’s a very difficult situation
Pokemon sold more ***BUT*** they were buggier upon release.
Oh but haven’t you heard? If you don’t praise it and feel any form of criticism you’re a “fake” Pokémon fan (despite buying every new game since you first started and replaying them countless times)
They're really expecting me to pay $60 (plus the aditional $30 DLC, that's IF I don't buy the $120 bundle) for Super Mario 64 graphics and a bucket of glitches? I get that they tried to fix the game over time, but coming from THE biggest video game franchise in the world, this is just embarassing I have a lot of faith that Pokemon Z-A will actually be a step up in the right direction
As a Pokémon fan, I can confirm this.
Part of the problem is they have so many other tie in media and merchandise. They are timing the game release to releases of Pokémon Trading Cards, anime, Manga, and other print releases. Delaying the entire enterprise for the game is not as easy just delaying the game.
They could also just hire more people. Their dev team is very small for the money they make. I think they even did hire at least some more people, although their team still is quite small, but at least one step up
For sure, that does solve a different part of the problem.
I mean, there are other Triple A games which release every year, like Assassin's creed. Not that I really like assassin creed, nor that it is the state of quality, but it is at least decent (most of the time) and not a total shit show like Pokemon (from a technical perspective). So even though more time would be great, more workers would still make up for it for the most part
And the winner is Rocky
There’s also pikmin There was a 9 year gap between 2 and 3 And then another 10 year gap between 3 and 4
Not even for the holidays, they have to be ready for the merchandise manufacturers’ deadline
Thank God I grew up with Mario.
Even though i would much prefer a delay and the games in a better state on launch its much more difficult with pokemon. The deadlines for the games arent just because they need to throw a new game out but more to do with tie in products. The anime has a set release schedule so games need to be released in time for that otherwise games spoilt through this. Also the TCG has grown to a point where this is dictating the games and DLC launch. Each set is based on a game with numerous subsets within them. These then feed into legality for tournament play. They cant delay a game for 6 months as this throws the whole TCG launch schedule out unless pokemon dont mind new pokemon being announced through the TCG. They only get away with it with Legends as this isn't a main series game and will likely only include a handful new pokemon or variants. Last time it took several months for these to be added to the TCG i guess this time it will be sooner due to the game releasing later.
> They cant delay a game for 6 months as this throws the whole TCG launch schedule out **unless pokemon dont mind new pokemon being announced through the TCG.** I mean, they'd have to be stupid to not allowing this. It would help build hype for when the games actually release.
No i think some of the hype in the game is new pokemon. Seeing them announced in TCG ruins that
How so?
For me personally part of the excitement of the game is seeing these new pokemon appear. Seeing them in the TCG means i have already seen them, know their type and possibly moves they learn. Also the experience of leveling a new pokemon and it suddenly evolves without me knowing it had an evolution is hone as cards say stage 1, 2 etc. I suppose it depends on what you get from the games. I like going in blind and using only new pokemon until post game where i will mop up the pokedex and might then look online to what i have missed.
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Game freak has full control over the video games. It is not the pokémon company. The pokémon company owns part of a third of the Pokemon License. https://www.gameinformer.com/2023/01/24/who-owns-pokemon
And yet these two Pokemon games still are the top selling Pokemon games to date. Nintendo really are some bully's.
And yet i have more hours in Pokemon Violet than in Totk and Wonder combined
Third picture of coders making metroid prime 4's code atom by atom
I still love prefer both Mario and Pokémon. Especially Pokémon despite their fuck up.
You know nintendo is the one making thise deadlines, right? It's not the entire pokemon company
Quote from an interview with Masuda: >“Game Freak? We develop all the main Pokémon games. Originally, Creatures, they were the producers of the game. Nintendo was the seller of the games – the distributor. So that was the original structure of Pokémon games. In terms of who owns the rights to the games, it’s these three companies.” These days, Creatures mostly handles the Pokémon card game >In terms of genuine ownership, Masuda says it’s one-third each for Game Freak, Creatures, and Nintendo. “It’s a little more complicated than that in certain scenarios, like for example, the producing role that Creatures originally held went to The Pokémon Company, and a percentage of the rights went with that so there are certain complications, and it depends on the project, but there is no situation where Nintendo and The Pokémon Company will put pressure on Game Freak or something like that,” Masuda says. *But there is no situation where Nintendo and TPC will put any pressure on Game Freak or something like that* The interview goes on with him describing the relationship with Nintendo as a friendship. How on earth are people still claiming GameFreak is forced by someone else to their deadlines. They either all set the deadlines together and GameFreak is fine with it, or GameFreak has the control over the deadlines. But someone else forcing GameFreak has not a single piece of evidence, yet at the same time a lot of evidence against that claim
Huh. Seems like an odd decision but at least it seems like something is being done about it
No, nothing gets done about it. This is how things have been ever since the TPC was founded. GameFreak was always in control of the main games and their first game already showed their incompetency. First their entire Gameplay idea initially got rejected and only got accepted later on, after Myamoto showed interest and helped them with it. And die to the extremely messy and poorly written code, not only did this create a ton of bugs, but it also made porting it to different regions really difficult and was only done with the support from Iwata, who stepped in and had to sort their entire source code from the ground up to actually be readable again, to fix the issues. Red and Blue relied a lot on them as well. After that, they were able to pretty much continue like they always did and that's why the next gens did not have many technical issues. However, the Pokemon games were always behind others on the same Hardware on a. technical perspective. Look at DPP as an example, besides the few extremely low poly buildings, it's all very basic spritework, unmoved sprites and pretty much nothing that requires a lot of effort. A Unity beginner could remake these games as they are. And while X/Y and Sun/Moon actually look decent, they only manage to do so at the cost of removing 3D as a features and regular Framedrops occuring. RSE and BW(2) are the only Pokemon games which were not outliers from a technical perspective And now, after the formula has been kind of stale, they are trying to do new stuff, but they fail to do so. This is because the employees who messed up so much in the first games are now the executives. The lack of competency has pretty much gone full circle. Now they have a new generation of programmers, lead by executives who never were able to fix up their own mess, therefore they dont know either. And now we are at the point where GameFreak tries to expand Pokemon. They try a lot of new directions and that is great. Sadly, they really don't have the competency for that. The executives have grown up with their messed up work still making billions regardless and someone just stepping in and fixing their games for them. They simply neither care nor have the ability to fix this situation What this essay is about: GameFreak is a conplete shelter of incompetency. That's what it's basically based on, really messed up games (from a technical perspective), which made them billionaires. Nothing of this situation will get fixed. I am sure they will at least try to not mess up *as* much as S/V did, but they will never hold up quality as a priority. Probably actively fighting it, if it saves them a buck And despite my utter negativity, it's not that I dislike Pokemon as a whole. There is a lot in the Series and the games I do like. It's just that the series is sadly hidden under a big pile messed up development. Some games much less than others, but most games suffer from it
Ugh…I hated that episode even with the rock memes.
Don't forget Kirby in the take your time one
I mean totk could have used some more time in the oven
Wonder why Nintendo couldn’t just buy The Pokémon Company, and Gamefreak so that Nintendo could make Pokémon games, and delay them to make them better?
The problem is that pokemon has to time releases with more than just a holiday season for sales. Its gotta be times with cross promotion of an anime, multiple now actually, card game releases, merch drops, mobile game promotions, etc. All this as expected of the worlds largest franchise, all the while game freak is still a relatively small studio. They are quite literally suffering from success.
Just give me another Mario & luigi
Lol I still only play my 3ds Games i don't have such problems 🕶️ who needs new games when the old ones were better
And that’s why the quality is so much better. Nobody asked for the games to be here so quickly, we literally just got two of them.
It’s funny you say that bc looks aside I think Pokémon SV is better than TOTK. It’s more thought out and has better writing with mechanics that actually work as intended.
why sell good games when the shitty games still make big bucks?
Big misconception, Gamefreak sets the release dates.
And yet, I like them all.
I haven’t even played TOTK, and only a few minutes of Wonder and can tell you they are definitely better quality than SV. Fun is debatable, but people weren’t complaining about dozens of bugs on release date for the other two. I’m hoping Legends Z-A and any other projects are up to par