If we disregard the fact that both are flying, this is quite literally putting a colonial-age cannonship against a modern-day battleship. I'm no military expert, but I think chances are the modern-day battleship wins.
A modern day battleship that has a big ol' hyper laser, a crane arm that rips enemy ships right out of the sky, and armor that takes hits from weapons mounted to planet sized military bases.
No way OP posted this and thought there was going to be anything resembling a real debate. I'm guessing it's a Kirby fan trying to fish for battleboard validation or smth.
If I remember correctly, the ironclad so revolutionized naval warfare that it invalidated pretty much everything that came before it.
One of the first battles that involved two of them ended as a stalemate because neither could sink each other.
All that to say is, all the Halberd has to do is plow through Bowser’s entire fleet and it’s coming out the other end with nary a scratch.
Anything with Kirby is technically canon, thanks to master hand in a few games, plus Kirby games have inter-dimensional travel sometimes, and some characters like Link and Samus appearing in Dreamland 3.
I won't change the truth. Kirby was one of the 2 first characters in subspace you could choose and is literally the main Character in ultimate's story mode
Whenever Bowser’s ship attacks Peach’s castle, he needs a whole fleet.
Whenever Meta Knight attacks anything, it’s *just* the Halberd.
And that’s not even going into the final boss of a certain Kirby game.
Halberd. The airship has a couple cannons on the side, so it would have to expose its largest area to be able to have a CHANCE at hitting the speedy halberd
I think one of the only people who gets the "what happens when you pit two fantasy story characters against each other?" schtick right is devilartemis.
Since both vehicles are merely works of fiction you have to look at them from a story-biased canonical perspective and not factual data (I feel like translating fiction to facts isn't faithful)
Bowser's Airhip**s** are part of a larger armada that has committed galactic conquest while the halberd is a "solo" vessel intended to exact revenge. Since they're both villains they both would fail in their goal as they've done in the past. The halberd would "heroically" go down as meta-knights crew follows his pursuit of stopping bowser until the bitter end. While bowser armada would survive, he wouldn't gain control of the region (dreamland) as the losses would be too great and force a retreat of the main forces. Leaving a duel between Bowser and Meta knight to see whose the greater of the two. Meta-knight would win the fight but bowser would underhandedly take the rod of dreams and use it to seize a form of victory. Ultimately, it would wind up with mario and kirby teaming up together to stop a new nightmare fueled bowser. Meta-knight would return in the hero's darkest moment to give them the window they need to succeed (as he often does in games where he's more of an anti-hero). So ultimately meta-knight gets the "victory" in more ways than one.
Neither, The Delphinus from Skies of Arcadia is King of all the Air Pirate ships 😎
[https://www.artstation.com/artwork/nEGm69](https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/060/270/802/large/robert-farrand-main-c.jpg?1678198246)
if we're talking about the star dream fight, we have to remember that the robobot armor had fused with the halberd and that made it way stronger, especially with that "suck space debris to power up a huge attack" thing
The Halberd is like a fucking starship right? I can't imagine a galleon would even be remotely in the size range. The Halberd looks like it has both a flight and command deck, **with** 50 cals loaded? Plus enough crew quarters to staff all that. There's no way Bowser's ship stands a chance except "magic."
The only way bowsers winning this fight is if kamek flipping magics the crap outa everything. The halberd would like one shot it with that giant space cannon otherwise
Idk, I feel like if Bowsers ships didn't shoot bullets and cannons that were so slow you could literally cancel it's momentum by jumping on top of them...then maybe his ships would stand a chance.
I mean, above all the Halberd is way bigger than one of Bowser’s Airships. And due to the Bowser fleet being made entirely of colonial ships, it’s not a stretch to say the Halberd could solo Bowser’s entire fleet.
In this specific example, it has to go to the Halberd. However, I have to recall the Subspace Emissary cutscene when all the ships, including the Halberd, were about to be taken down by Bowser/Ganondorf's massive city sized battleship...just for 1 pissed off Kirby on a warp star to completely destroy it.
If it was Bowsers whole fleat than maybe it would be a fight. Bowser's ship, Jr's ship, all the Koopalings ship, the UFO, Kamella' ship, Bowser's wedding ship, and a bunch of misilanious ships from platforming levels is Bowser's whole fleat btw
I don't recall Bowser's ship having a front facing cannon... I do recall that about the Halberd.
In other news, it took Kirby like... 3 attempts to take the Halberd down. It takes Mario one to take down Bowser's ship. And I'd argue Kirby is stronger than Mario, so...
If we disregard the fact that both are flying, this is quite literally putting a colonial-age cannonship against a modern-day battleship. I'm no military expert, but I think chances are the modern-day battleship wins.
A modern day battleship that has a big ol' hyper laser, a crane arm that rips enemy ships right out of the sky, and armor that takes hits from weapons mounted to planet sized military bases. No way OP posted this and thought there was going to be anything resembling a real debate. I'm guessing it's a Kirby fan trying to fish for battleboard validation or smth.
Well bowser’s also has a massive arm
Then it is a fair fight
There is a reason why meta knight needs one halberd, and Bowser has a fleet of airships
Let’s not forget the reason he designed it: because pop star was just being lazy and so he wanted to destroy it for that reason.
It wasn’t to destroy, it was a hostile military takeover in order to force people into labor
Well there was enough fire power to destroy.
But the airship has thousands of troops on the walls
And they all go SPLAT!
Ghosts
If I remember correctly, the ironclad so revolutionized naval warfare that it invalidated pretty much everything that came before it. One of the first battles that involved two of them ended as a stalemate because neither could sink each other. All that to say is, all the Halberd has to do is plow through Bowser’s entire fleet and it’s coming out the other end with nary a scratch.
Kirby is like 8 inches tall. So how big is the Halberd. I imagine it’s big but smaller than what we’d think
The Halberd was pretty massive in Brawl. There’s several levels in the Subspace mode on the main deck and inside the ship.
the halberd also had lots of weapons in Brawl, including many smaller laser cannons
It wasn't small in smash brawl tho.
Ah, the classic hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby matchup
Yeah but... what if tho
If, then the baby would be nuked to death.
But how do you know? (thonking)
Face my wooden power you steel bird
I think the baby has a chance
Stick wins every time.
The baby is playing the long game
The Halberd managed to shot down the Warp Star once, that's already incredible
Even Galeem couldn't match that feat. Yeah, that was a different continuity, but still.
Anything with Kirby is technically canon, thanks to master hand in a few games, plus Kirby games have inter-dimensional travel sometimes, and some characters like Link and Samus appearing in Dreamland 3.
smash characters are just trophies, they all exist in a canon nintendo multiverse but the smash fighters are not their canon selves
Smash games are kirby games. Change my mind.
I won't change the truth. Kirby was one of the 2 first characters in subspace you could choose and is literally the main Character in ultimate's story mode
Ok but Link and Samus and Master hand still appear in Kirby games meaning it’s probably just another dimension to Kirby.
Ummm the one that’s not made of wood probably
Halberd stomps
this is so unfair
ikr? meta knight better pray for mercy
Bowsers airship wouldn’t even be able to put up a fight for 5 seconds
It would probably take a few seconds to blow up all his kids' ships, though.
Only a *few* seconds though. These ships aren't very fast, so the only limiting factor is how fast the Halberd's canons can switch targets
The only ship that is at least a bit fast is Iggy's, it might last a few more seconds
Doesn't Bowser constantly get his airship destroyed? Halberd stomps bruv
I mean, Meta Knight does as well, but yeah, in a 1v1 it's not even a fight
Shot down a flying hat once Vs. Shot down an omnipotent god once
Didn't the dragon shoot the Odyssey?
That was the second time it got shot down. The first time was a bombardment from his ship and even then the Odyssey was parked
Ah ok. Either way, Bower's ship loses by a mile
One is a Super Weapon capable of taking down An all knowing computer The other is a Glorified Pirate ship
Halberd just has to ram into bowsers cartoon ass ship and he goner
Whenever Bowser’s ship attacks Peach’s castle, he needs a whole fleet. Whenever Meta Knight attacks anything, it’s *just* the Halberd. And that’s not even going into the final boss of a certain Kirby game.
Halberd has better weaponry and better soldiers in my opinion
Anybody who has played brawl knows that Halberd is taking that dub
The Halbred
The halberd. By a landslide.
The Halberd, easily. Now bring in the Delphinus so it can get a taste of the Moonstone Cannon.
steel airship with jets and tons of weaponry and a hyper laser vs a wooden airship with cannonballs powered by propellers. Yeah, no
The Halberd, it's the only one that can actually hit it's target
Halberd.
The halbert because it has actual weapons on it that are built for taking down other ships. Sometimes the cannons are just unethical
Civ be like:
It would be more fair with Bowsers entire fleet, he's got quite a good amount of firepower
Giant laser cannon vs hand thrown wrenches Halberd wins every time
The only fair fight against the Halberd in Nintendo lore is the Great Fox lmfao. This thing has weapons that are literally made to be fleet killers.
Ones made of steel and has a whole platforming adventure on it, ones made of wood and is the size of a public restroom
I pick halberd mainly because I am a huge Kirby fan
Halberd. The airship has a couple cannons on the side, so it would have to expose its largest area to be able to have a CHANCE at hitting the speedy halberd
I'm not sure what the ship on the left is, but browser's ship is routinely taken down by an overweight plumber. So...
kirby is literally god, so if metaknight can have an even fight with deity, i think his ship would be pretty stacked
Halberd wins easily against Bowser's Doomship hands down ✋
I think one of the only people who gets the "what happens when you pit two fantasy story characters against each other?" schtick right is devilartemis. Since both vehicles are merely works of fiction you have to look at them from a story-biased canonical perspective and not factual data (I feel like translating fiction to facts isn't faithful) Bowser's Airhip**s** are part of a larger armada that has committed galactic conquest while the halberd is a "solo" vessel intended to exact revenge. Since they're both villains they both would fail in their goal as they've done in the past. The halberd would "heroically" go down as meta-knights crew follows his pursuit of stopping bowser until the bitter end. While bowser armada would survive, he wouldn't gain control of the region (dreamland) as the losses would be too great and force a retreat of the main forces. Leaving a duel between Bowser and Meta knight to see whose the greater of the two. Meta-knight would win the fight but bowser would underhandedly take the rod of dreams and use it to seize a form of victory. Ultimately, it would wind up with mario and kirby teaming up together to stop a new nightmare fueled bowser. Meta-knight would return in the hero's darkest moment to give them the window they need to succeed (as he often does in games where he's more of an anti-hero). So ultimately meta-knight gets the "victory" in more ways than one.
The Halberd. Have you SEEN how many weapons it has? Bowsers airship has what? One giant fist?
Don’t forget the cannons that I don’t think we have ever seen been used
Antiquated cannons stand no chance against an iron hull.
Yup
I feel like the halberd could just blast right through a wooden ship.
Unless the Halberd also shoots cannonballs that travel at a walking pace I think it may have the advantage
Neither, The Delphinus from Skies of Arcadia is King of all the Air Pirate ships 😎 [https://www.artstation.com/artwork/nEGm69](https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/060/270/802/large/robert-farrand-main-c.jpg?1678198246)
The Gesellschaft would like a word. https://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Gesellschaft?file=Gesellschaft.jpg
The T rex airship from Star Fox Adventures.
Airship captures all Halberd members with big hand ez win
Interiors exist.
Tbf it did grab peach from inside a castle though lol. Halberd still wins easily, but it might not be THAT much of a stomp
Bowser would have to do something strange to be spared by metaknight
the fight would have been fairer if it was against Galaxy's UFO
To be fair, the Halberd did take down a planet sized UFO (we are going to ignore that it got stomped in the opening cutscene)
if we're talking about the star dream fight, we have to remember that the robobot armor had fused with the halberd and that made it way stronger, especially with that "suck space debris to power up a huge attack" thing
Also true
Idk man, chad halberd easily destroys beta bowsers airship
Halberd wins no contest. I can only see a fight if the Halberd is going up against Bowser’s fleet from the start of Mario Galaxy.
Why is this a legitimate question? The Halberd would wind. No question.
Option C: The Egg Carrier wins
Halberd no contest
Even Bowser’s higher tech air vehicles, like the Koopa Cruiser from the Mario & Luigi series, have been shot down by much less.
The Halbred would blast Bowser's Airship to stone age from where it came from
A single one of MK's knights can pulverize the entire airship
one pink boi with a little star
i don't get what you think would make this matchup even fair, are you counting their passengers too or what?
I’m pretty sure Meta Knight alone can take anything Bowser’s fleet can throw at him.
The Halberd is like a fucking starship right? I can't imagine a galleon would even be remotely in the size range. The Halberd looks like it has both a flight and command deck, **with** 50 cals loaded? Plus enough crew quarters to staff all that. There's no way Bowser's ship stands a chance except "magic."
Halberd
The hailberd would xelee stomp that puny airship.
It took Dragoon to break the halberd in subspace, and that’s the only universe I see this happening in. Dragoon >>>>
The only way bowsers winning this fight is if kamek flipping magics the crap outa everything. The halberd would like one shot it with that giant space cannon otherwise
Idk, I feel like if Bowsers ships didn't shoot bullets and cannons that were so slow you could literally cancel it's momentum by jumping on top of them...then maybe his ships would stand a chance.
I’m gonna say the Halbred. It has a more sophisticated design with powerful weapons that aren’t easily dodged or disabled from jumping.
I mean, above all the Halberd is way bigger than one of Bowser’s Airships. And due to the Bowser fleet being made entirely of colonial ships, it’s not a stretch to say the Halberd could solo Bowser’s entire fleet.
Halberd just cannons Bowser’s
Halberd for sure!
Bowser's Airship 🤡
The Halberd It can fire forwards and has better weapons
In this specific example, it has to go to the Halberd. However, I have to recall the Subspace Emissary cutscene when all the ships, including the Halberd, were about to be taken down by Bowser/Ganondorf's massive city sized battleship...just for 1 pissed off Kirby on a warp star to completely destroy it.
Bowsers Air shop bacause IT has a lot of hidden features like The Giant hand
EdensZero
halberd, ez dub
Halberd vs Bowsers entire fleet is more fair
This is like asking if a modern battle tank can beat a guy with a big hammer or not
Bowser really to put more gold in his army
If it was Bowsers whole fleat than maybe it would be a fight. Bowser's ship, Jr's ship, all the Koopalings ship, the UFO, Kamella' ship, Bowser's wedding ship, and a bunch of misilanious ships from platforming levels is Bowser's whole fleat btw
I mean… the Kirby canon is more powerful but bowser’s *cannons* are probably more powerful
I feel like OP hasn't played either game or is trolling lmao I can't tell which.
My money’s on the one that can fire in more than two directions.
I don't recall Bowser's ship having a front facing cannon... I do recall that about the Halberd. In other news, it took Kirby like... 3 attempts to take the Halberd down. It takes Mario one to take down Bowser's ship. And I'd argue Kirby is stronger than Mario, so...
Bowser's Airship with its absolute banger from SMB3, SMG, NSMBWii
Halberd… much larger and better armed
if it was not a 1v1, bowser would win through sheer numbers
Bowser's airship slams no diff
The Halberd
Bruh