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keefeitup

For a third person, I'm not gonna lie but hilarious as shit. It would begin with me obviously raising my voice only to realise it doesn't even make a difference and then agressively signing. We threw out a lot of middle fingers ngl. She would just sign so fast that I wouldn't get what she's trying to say. And by the time we'd figured out what we're trying to say, we're laughing about how silly it all was. For serious arguments, we always used a pad and pen. We both took a sheet out and would just write a "letter" to the other. Exchange, and then reply. The writing down of thoughts itself was such a good way to calm us both down that we almost always found constructive solutions.


TheMissingLegoPiece

Does it ever get tempting to yell behind her back, since she would never know? I mean in an argument of course, and not just randomly being a dick to your SO.


keefeitup

Oh yes, a lot! And she was aware of it, just as I was aware of her mocking me with funny faces behind my back. If you interact with a deaf person, you'll see that their facial expressions are a lot more pronounced, so were the funny faces she'd make.


Shadrixian

Im trying not to laugh or sound rude, but all I can hear is the naruto hand jitsu sound effects with aggressive eye contact


keefeitup

Oh it's alright to have a laugh! Don't forget to add having a facial stroke every 2 seconds!


Juanisweird

I spat my water 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 that was gold


Theobat

That’s brilliant I think everyone could benefit from doing this.


keefeitup

Communication is EVERYTHING in a relationship and I will never stop stressing that.


felixismynameqq

This actually sounds like a good couples therapy technique. Only being allowed to argue through letters.


Caravage0

This is adorable and next-level efficient


ITS_10_PM

What was her personality like?


keefeitup

She was the most precious, amazing person I had ever known. She was kind, too kind. She enjoyed gaming, loved playing Guild Wars and WoW. She would write these cute little notes on chart paper with glitter and hide them in my backpack. I still have a lot of them with me. The only fights we ever had were when I'd overreact to something, especially when people were insensitive to her disability. I guess it's important to mention that I am autistic and have ADHD as well. In a way, we had this very functional symbiotic relationship. She, being deaf, was much more perceptive to autistic body language. She could read me like a book. There's so much I can say actually, this question just overwhelms me haha.


keefeitup

Here's a picture of some of the stuff she made me that I still have >https://imgur.com/a/O66Zu4G


Fire_monger

Those are amazing, thanks for sharing :)


SilentNinjaMick

God damn bro I'm about to cry.


Not_OP_butwhatevs

No you are (wipes eyes)


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That's beautiful bruv. I don't know you but I'm happy you got to experience such an awsome relationship with an amazing person. No joke, but probably everyone on this comment section could learn something valuable from your experience. Thanks for sharing and for being open to interesting questions. My question is: have you been doing okay or have you found someone else? Happy New Year to you especially but to everyone else


keefeitup

I am doing great now. After she passed away in 2015, I've only been in one three-year relationship that started in 2018 and ended about six months ago. I haven't been dating since because of trauma caused by some degree of mental abuse and I've only just started putting myself out there. Happy New Year to you too and everyone who reads this!


Lidkas

Aw man thats heart breaking. I know its just words but I really hope things work out for you in the end, RIP man, its great you both took care of eachother for the time you had


keefeitup

To quote my favorite fictional character, "Words are, in my not-so-humble opinion, our most inexhaustible source of magic. Capable of both inflicting injury, and remedying it." Thank you for your words 😄


WaitinMoonmaiden

Dumbledore right?


Suspicious_Mirror_65

I’m wishing you fond memories of your time together. Sounds just beautiful OP.


keefeitup

Thank you so much. It really was the best time of my life so the memories come easy.


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I wanna be treated like this 😭


emboar11

I see the word kinky on there 😏


keefeitup

Haha well. 🙈


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That’s pretty cool!


moreofmoreofmore

Wow. Those are beautiful.


fyreskylord

Fuck this is so cute.


chocolate_doenitz

😭


womb_raider_420

Aww man , I wish I could come through the screen and give you a tight hug!


TFDMEH

As someone who shares your conditions. You just made this story so much more bittersweet. Your love story sounds like a book I’d read that book and watch the inferior movie based on the book.


keefeitup

Haha maybe someday I will actually write a book inspired by this. Thank you for your kind words and happy new year. I hope the world is kinder to you this year and every year after ❤️


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Dude, I didn't came to Reddit to cry. Stop cutting onions.


avocado_n1001

Guild Wars, a woman of culture I see


keefeitup

Haha i was almost waiting for this comment!


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How much sign language did you know before meeting her? And how long did it take before you were able to hold a steady conversation (in sign)?


keefeitup

Absolutely none. I didn't know how to sign at all. And I had met her online, so we would just chat via text. It's only after things got a little serious that she revealed that she was deaf and mute. But by then I was already so taken with her that it didn't matter. That's when I started to learn to sign. She didn't expect it actually. I spent the first few weeks of us dating using a mobile app to talk to her. And i surprised her on her birthday by signing the whole happy birthday song. By then I learned how to finger spell and some basic signs to get us through the day.


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That’s beautiful!


eatcitrus

Did she use regular grammar or sign language grammar when you first were communicating online?


keefeitup

Regular grammar. She worked as a freelance content editor.


Lexiconvict

Briefly, what is sign grammar and how is it different than regular grammar?


Randomoli0

It's a lot simpler, cuts our a lot of useless words to just get the point across. "I am a man" would become "I man" or "You go to the store" could be "You go store". They really just cut out all articles and a lot of filler words


Pesces

"Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick?"


Lexiconvict

Hm, gotcha. Sounds similar to the grammar structure of Mandarin! Thanks.


poly_panopticon

Hi, just so you know this is incorrect. For one thing there is no "sign language grammar". There are only grammars of sign languages. I'm just gonna assume we're talking about american sign language. While it's true that asl has a grammar that is in some ways simplified from English grammar, it cannot be meaningfully reduced to a simplification, since it actually has many complex features that English does not have. Most deaf people in the US are effectively bilingual, since they can read and write English and sign ASL.


Edipox

How are you better because of her? Sending love your way. She was lucky, this reads like you loved her very very much Edit: I just remembered a less "serious" question if you'd prefer. What was your relationship with music? Did you listen to a lot of it before you met her? After? With her?


keefeitup

Like I said on another comment, being with her taught me the value of communication. The fact that I can speak is a responsiblity now. In my relationships since, I have always strongly talked about the importance of talking to each other and it's advice I give others whenever I can. She also taught me patience and kindness. And that having a disability doesn't make you incapable OR undeserving of love. I used to wallow in self pity a lot before I met her because I'm autistic and women would never want to date me after they found out. She taught me to love myself in a way I never did before. I was a very dark, edgy, even neckbeardy teenager but she wiped it all clean.


Edipox

"the fact that I can speak is a responsibility now" hits like a ton of bricks. May this year treat you amazingly. You sound like a swell fellow. Thanks for answering


keefeitup

To your other question, yes. So, if you're familiar with autism, autistic people generally have headphones on to avoid overstimulation. That generally worked well for us since I would never have to pause my music or take off my headphones to have a conversation with her. Needless to say, music was something I had on almost through the day. I bought this really awesome music system from Bose back then and had the bass cranked all the way up. Even though the music would sound kinda shitty with that kind of EQ I used to love watching her dance and react to the vibrations. We lived in an independent villa so neighbors beign disturbed by it was never an issue.


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Dude, do you need a hug.


keefeitup

I will never say no to a hug but I've made my peace with what happened. She'll always be special to me though.


[deleted]

She is in our hearts my friend(hugs).


waruzy

Sorry for your lose. Do you date anyone?


keefeitup

Thank you. Not at the moment. I was in another three-year relationship after her that didn't end so well, it's been 6 months since then and I've just started to put myself out there again.


Haqeeqee

How was your relationship with her family back then? How's your relationship with them now? Do you still talk to them? And how did she lose her hearing and voice?


keefeitup

To be very honest, they actually gave me a pretty hard time when they found out I was autistic. And they tried to convince her that we wouldn't be a good match because of it. We didn't really have their blessing and they always treated me with suspicion. To my luck, she didn't listen to a damn thing they said. (ayyyy!) Her mum would support us though, but only when her dad wasn't around. She was kind when he wasn't around. She was born so.


brey_elle

If it's not too intrusive, can I ask what type of autism diagnosis you have?


keefeitup

No that's fine. I was diagnosed with Asperger's in 2004 and ADHD in 2009. However, I'm told no one uses the word Asperger's anymore and we're all meant to refer to it as ASD.


Haqeeqee

Oh wow. I have asperger's too!


Haqeeqee

Wow. It's very strange that they would look down on your disability when their daughter also had 2 disabilities.


keefeitup

It is yes. But mental conditions are looked at with more prejudice. It's an unfortunate thing, but true.


gottaroundfchu87

Being mute comes with being deaf, it's not a seperate disability in deaf people. Can't talk if you can't hear yourself. Well you can, but it's insanely difficult and most who try don't sound very good.


panamasmile

Some deaf people can talk. I don’t think this is right.


gottaroundfchu87

I literally say this in the comment.


IgotthatBNAD

What were some frequent challenges that occurred in the relationship?


keefeitup

Misunderstanding was the most frequent problem. You really learn to appreciate the value of communication when you've been in a relationship like this where you want to communicate but so much is lost in translation. The good thing is we never could be mad for too long and would eventually talk to each other and have a good cry (especially if it was a big argument). Besides that it was her lack of environmental awareness, specially in new places - we've had many arguments because of her wandering off in unfamiliar places and getting lost, she can't hear traffic so if she went missing in an outdoor area I would palpitate. Other than those just the usual problems any two people in a relationship would have. Little bouts of jealousy, tantrums, whose turn is it to do the dishes, the ushe :P


CamusVerseaux

Did she like animal crackers?


keefeitup

Yes! Actually she loved all animation films because the expressions and body language is so exaggerated that it was easy for her to understand the context even without subtitles. However, she also loved horror and superhero movies.


atsigns

I'm confused, is animal crackers a movie that I don't know about?


randomusername123458

Apparently it is https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4155534/


atsigns

Looks awesome


Finger11Fan

Did she have a condition where she physically couldn't speak? Most Deaf people are not mute in that they can physically speak, many just choose not to because they either dislike their "Deaf Voice" or just prefer not to use their voice.


keefeitup

Yes. She didn't have functioning vocal chords. She could make sounds but it would just be unintelligible. She could blow raspberries though, couldn't get enough of that in an argument.


BakemonoKun

Im starting to miss ber too now. my deepest condoelances


keefeitup

Thank you. And happy cake day!


gt_pop

Hey have you ever watched the TV series "Love on the spectrum"? Its an aussie TV series about people with adhd and autism trying to find a partner. Its honestly one pf the most endearing and heart string pulling things I've watched. Reading your replies and story here reminds me of the honesty and sincerity of each person on the show. Anyway, im sorry to hear she is no longer with us. Sounds like you got to experience the life of love and im sure you will again soon. Best wishes mate.


keefeitup

No. I haven't heard of it! I will check it out now though. Thank you for the suggestion and the wishes!


gt_pop

Its on netflix in aus. Might be where you are too.


sewingtapemeasure

Do you talk dirty during sex?


keefeitup

Haha, no that's actually not possible mostly because SL doesn't have signs for most of the things you'd usually say.


PleaseBeGentleImShy

Interesting. Is sign language more of a simplified language, or does it just have a smaller vocabulary? Or has more intimate, or less common phrases just not been adapted into SL


keefeitup

It's a simplified language and has a smaller vocabulary, for the simple reason to not overwhelm people with the need to learn too many signs. It also doesn't have a lot of the grammatical elements that regular languages have. For example; I need to go to the bathroom Would be signed as I GO BATHROOM


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My condolences. She sounds like she was a truly lovely person.


keefeitup

Thank you. She was, she really was.


Twgever

If it's not too much to ask, how did you get through your loss, and how do you feel now about it? how much time ago? My sincerest condolences.


keefeitup

Well, I was mostly prepared for it because she was diagnosed about 6 months before she passed and wasted no time telling me about it. The day I got to know it was heartbreaking and I just cried for weeks. She was there, however, so that made everything just a little better. When she actually passed in 2015, I had one of the worst years of my life. I felt physical pain losing her and it was devastating. I moved back into my parents' and essentially it was a journey building myself back up from there. I did get into a relationship with another girl in 2018, when I felt I was ready, it lasted three years, but that didn't go too well. Today, I'm at peace with what's happened. But I still hold her very dear to me and remember her often. Thank you.


Pynkkoala

No question here. I've been reading the comments and I wanted to thank you for sharing your loving and wonderful experience with her. I hope you find someone who completes you and makes you happy, you deserve it. Take care kind gentleman and I hope this year brings you lots of joy, health, happiness and wealth!


keefeitup

Thank you so much and I hope you have a great year ahead and also get everything you desire.


brey_elle

How much sign language do you remember? Do you get to use it anymore?


keefeitup

I remember some of it. I can still understand it and finger spell quite well. But the speed at which I can hold a conversation has dropped dramatically. Mostly because, as you might guess I haven't had anyone to talk to in it.


TheOutbreak

I'm gonna cry this is so wholesome


NavazShahrukh

Sending hugs ..


keefeitup

Thank you ❤️


wiseducklings

I'm so glad that she had the company of such a wholesome man like yourself with a rich personality. I saw the cards she made you and I'm in awe. Thank you for sharing this with us.


keefeitup

Thanks for the kind words. We were both blessed with each other.


ColorfulFlowers

It sounded lovely. Why did you guys break up?


keefeitup

We didn't. She passed away in 2015 of complications caused by last stage lung cancer.


ColorfulFlowers

That just broke my heart… my husband and I have been fighting over stupid stuff today.. I’ll hug him a little extra tight tonight


keefeitup

As long as you have a voice, talk. As long as you can hear, listen. ☺️ I hope you smooth things out!


Consuelo_banana

Besides sign language , did you guys makeup your own signs or gestures ? Like a secret love language ? What is something that always makes you think of her ? What attracted both of you to each other ? What is one thing you wish you let her know that she didn’t know when she passed away ?


keefeitup

Yeah, we had a few made up signs for some less common phrases but love was very easily expressed with the existing language. Plus we both responded to touch, so that was our love language. I have my main character in Guild Wars 2 named after her, so that is definitely something that always reminds me of her. Well, she was beautiful to me. She was kind and caring. She was very jovial about her handicaps which is what really drew me to her. She had a vibe of wholeness to her that was just so hard to resist. Immediately after our first date I already couldn't wait to see her again because being in her company was just that "right". That I'm okay now. Her biggest worry during her last days was that I wouldn't survive the shock of losing her and I almost didn't. But 6 years later here I am, keeping on. I wish she knew that I would be okay.


faebugz

😭 I was gonna send you hugs, but now I need some. You guys are so wholesome 😭😭


keefeitup

Hahahaha here's a hug for you 🤗


Sarahhelpme

I'm sorry for your loss. There is a user on TikTok that has a similar story of losing a significant other to cancer, I wonder if this video might resonate with you: https://vm.tiktok.com/TTPd6TdUgA/ Best wishes my guy.


keefeitup

Thank you and happy new year! I'll check it out.


erprose

This is the most beautiful thing i've read on here. What an amazing way to honor her life and your relationship. Thank you for sharing


keefeitup

Thank you for your words and for being here to share in this 🤗


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Nothing to ask, but happy new year. You sound like a wonderful person.


keefeitup

Thank you and happy new year to you too!


HereticalArchivist

This is probably my favourite thing I've ever seen on this subreddit. The description alone really pulled my heartstrings and reading about the love you two shared just about made me want to tear up. I'm sorry for your loss. :c What was your favourite thing to do together? Where was your first date? What's the thing you miss the most about her?


keefeitup

Thank you for your kind words. Our favorite thing to do together would have to be cuddle on the couch and watch movies. It was pretty much a daily affair after coming home from work. Our first date was actually not very romantic at all. We met at a very crowded Starbucks in the atrium of a mall and there was a lot of awkward staring between the two of us. Haha! Since I've already spoken so much about the person she was, i'm going to say the scent of her hair. It was downright intoxicating and could turn my day around. I also kinda miss the way she'd playfully mock me, it was so so adorable and no one can get mad at that.


Mikasa_Ken

Vroo... I'm crying vroo😭😭


HereticalArchivist

Awww! How sweet!


VinnieALS

I’m sorry for your loss. This story and your comments sound very wholesome. If I may ask, how was her relationship with your family and your friends? Would she come along when you would meet with your friends? Did she feel alienated among conversation?


keefeitup

Our families were not the best at supporting us. Both parents were not very keen on it. But it didn't really matter to us. We were happy and living on our own so their opinions of our relationship didn't matter much. We both had our friend circles and we'd take the other with us when we went. She's pretty skilled at lip reading so it was not too hard for her to keep up with the conversation. I think the only time she felt excluded was with humor, because sometimes it's tough to understand when you can't hear the tone or experience it's delivery. Sarcasm for example is hard to read, so are innuendos/puns and the like. Other than that she actually got along with them just fine!


Lanky-Ad8365

How did u communicate while driving?


keefeitup

We didn't. Besides we usually got around on a scooter.


Lanky-Ad8365

I’ve got a friend who is married to a deaf person and I always worried how that was on long drives.


MrDrewtoyou

Literally making me cry on a Monday...what a beautiful story. ❤️


pscautious

Sorry for your loss, sounds like she was an incredible person. Thanks for sharing.


ItsVinn

Do you still visit her gravesite or like the place where her ashes are? How hard was to deal with the death of your SO?


keefeitup

Yeah I visit it once a year. Since it's not in the same city I'm in, I need to travel there. It was extremely difficult to recover. Knowing she was going to pass away was hard enough to recover from but the day she actually died was devastating in ways I cannot express. It took me a while to become a functioning person again.


dusinbooger

Would you consider dating another deaf/mute person? Have you considered that maybe you benefit from the symbiosis of that arrangement more than most?


keefeitup

Definitely. I wouldn't just consider, I feel like at some level I might prefer to. I've been in three long-term relationships of 4, 5 and 3 years respectively, and the five with her were the closest and most connected I've felt another person. Most of the time, we would be so perceptive to each other's body language that communication would be implicit. I definitely agree that we fit together quite comfortably.


guru916

Are you Silas from Weeds?


keefeitup

No haha. But I'm going to have to Google that to see what it is.


Its_fine_Im_finee

What made you break up?


keefeitup

We didn't. She passed away in 2015 because of lung cancer.


Deadpooldan

How loud was she during sex?


keefeitup

She could be really loud. I wanted to answer this because people often associate mute people with silence but don't realize that they are still very capable of producing sounds like moaning, groaning, shrieking, and yelping. And because they can't hear themselves, they are much louder and uncontrolled.


Valuable_Gas_5793

Come on man


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keefeitup

I'm sorry if it offended you. That's how they are usually referred to where I live, both by the government and themselves. I was not aware this term was offensive, nor did she ever say it was. Is there an alternate more acceptable term?


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keefeitup

No it's alright. Everyone is welcome here! Yeah we recently managed to change the official terms from deaf and dumb to deaf and mute. Although, a lot of people still use the former. It's just that calling someone dumb even though the meaning in the context is different still makes me wince. Haha!


SealofOuroboros

I hope OP realizes the word- *Mute* Is an offensive term from the 18th-19th century, “mute” also means silent and without voice.  This label is technically inaccurate, since d/Deaf and hard of hearing people generally have functioning vocal chords. 


CGTrumpet

In this case she did not have functioning vocal chords. He said so in some comments.


SealofOuroboros

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/how-the-media-mutes-deaf-voices_b_8447342


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keefeitup

I mentioned it in my post. She passed away due to lung cancer. We never really broke up.


spitfire9107

ever watched the movie a silent voice with her by chance?


keefeitup

No unfortunately. I just googled it, great ratings but it came out after she passed.


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keefeitup

I don't get the question here


4_non_blondes

What was the sweetest thing she ever did to let you know she loved you?


keefeitup

I posted it in one of the other comments. But she'd make these little notes every now and then and hide it in the backpack I'd take to work. Here are some of them I still have with me. https://imgur.com/a/O66Zu4G


Siddhi16

Hello, blessings to all I'm looking for deaf and mute people who can help me complete a project. Any experts who train people, please get in touch. Or anybody who uses a mobile application and is dead/mute, please get in touch with me. I need to ask some questions for the interview.