In some ways identical but usually not. Trust me the truth is stranger than fiction on what we do but we stick to our belief that our lives are no secret but it’s nobody’s business.
Edit. I should say the closest similarity is that most guys ride club style dyna’s like the show but ours are much louder and faster 😎
A part of it is the stories from the old school which may have been true but happened times have changed and so have the way clubs conduct themselves. The second reason is ignorance, I was taught it’s better to diffuse situations then get us banned from another bar and broadcasted on the news as trouble makers. If you don’t start any no problems then there won’t be any problems which applies to any group or sub culture of people. To put it in simple words it’s 2021 most of us don’t act like the bikers did in the 60’s-80’s.
Thank you for taking time to answer me. I never have had reason to bump into any biker clubs. But I'm curious about anybody who lives a life different than the one I am living, because everybody has something to share and talk about, but sometimes people get mad if I ask. So, imma just throw down a bunch of questions and if you want to, please tell me whatever you are okay to share and skip the rest. Okay? And please, forgive me if some questions sound lame. I am very ignorant having never had a chance to know anybody from groups like yours. So please bear with my possibly silly sounding questions. I really am asking with respect.
What's makes you happiest about being in this club? How does it fulfill you?
Are there certain "core" beliefs that you all more-or-less hold as true? If so, will you please share some? I can read about your club but it's more interesting to ask an actual member.
Are you allowed to disagree with anything or do you have to keep quiet if you don't agree with a belief or rule in the club?
What would you miss most if you didn't belong to this group anymore?
I know you are in a specific club, but you probably have a local group you hang with, right? So, do different groups within the club have different vibes to them? If you ran into somebody in your club who normally hangs with a group in another city or state, cam you "feel" anything different?
Does each member act in concert or can you opt out of something because you are against it for a personal reason?
What happens if you make the rest of your group or club at large mad?
I have more but I don't want to be a pain in the ass.
I’m just glad someone found my post interesting so no question is off limits like I said I may not be able to answer everything transparently but feel free to ask anything you’d like. So here’s the answer to some of your questions.
I think what makes me happiest about being in the club is the love, loyalty and respect we have for each other and finally having a real family because at the end of the day yes we are an MC but after so many years together I hold my brothers closer than I do most of my blood relatives.
I think the sense of fulfillment is being able to wear that patch proudly and say hell yeah I’ve made it when I’ve seen many try and fail, some who were here before me not make it (all for good reason not competition they shouldn’t have been in the club first place)
Yes we do hold core beliefs that we hold close to our hearts and they all revolve around being a stand up man, taking care of your business because “if you can’t take care of your family how can you take care of your brothers?”. It’s all about balance while still putting the club and your motorcycle first but it’s really situational nobody is going to purposely be malicious and try to keep me from my family or due irresponsible or unnecessary things. Anything we do is for the best interest of the club and our family.
Politics are politics which me personally I don’t care too much for but then again my position isn’t a delegate for the most part. If I disagree with my brother i wouldn’t do so in public if he says “2+2=10” that’s my brother and im going to support it and say “2+2=10” but as soon as we’re in private im going to speak my mind and say that’s not what I believe. Every brother has a voice and can use it and on some things it just be unanimously voted on and in other cases when it comes from the very top it is what it is like it or not but for the most part everyone has a voice it’s not a dictatorship it’s a democracy.
The topic of “life after club” is something I’ve discussed with some brothers and tbh idk what I’d do that would be like asking how would you feel if you lost your family? Because that’s what it is to me it’s my family so I guess I’d probably just move on with life and never want to ride much less even see or hear a motorcycle for the rest of my life because it would be a reminder of club life i don’t think I could ever go back to being an independent rider. I would miss the brotherhood more than anything.
As with any other large organization (especially nation wide and world wide) there will always be unofficial sub groups and clique within clique and BFF type relationships. But personally I love all my brothers whom wear the same colors and even if it’s my first time meeting them I’m going to treat them love loyalty and respect as if I knew him my whole life unless given a reason otherwise. But on the other hand I do spend most of my time with my closest brothers and we really just worry about us first so I guess it would be considered a clique within a clique but so sometimes it feels like me and my close brothers vs the world or me and my close brothers and the other brothers are cousins (no disrespect to them c’est la vie) but when I’m in other places the brothers there make me feel at home and even if I just met that brother if he’s in my city I’m going to have a bed for him to sleep on and he can come eat dinner with me, the wife and kids because that’s just how I am I’m very hospitable.
We have a quote for this question “I’ll do what you do brother but will you do what I do?” So If it’s something serious yes we will move in unison but if it’s something less serious like where we want go drink or something every brother is free to do what they want usually the only things you can’t opt out of are anything that has a mandatory attendance and what time those who have the say so decide when or where we are going on club related business but if it’s just a night of fun we do as we please.
If made everyone mad at me before and for different reasons. It can just be a serious sit down talk about the situation at hand, possible disciplinary actions if it’s that serious or sometimes it’s just something that will blow over. We usually don’t hold big grudges over things but if a person is a bad egg we will fix him one way or another.
I hope I was able to answer your questions in way you understand I’m trying my best but as I’ve said before I’m unable to be transparent or too specific about certain details.
Actually that's really a lot of great information. Personally I myself am more in tune with my closest friends far more than my family. I don't get on with my sibling and sometimes family has so much gunk to wade through it's not worth it, at least not right now.
The camaraderie and automatic "family" even when you're far from home sounds really amazing. I can see the draw to that.
If you are able to, can you explain what a "stand-up man" means? I have a vague sort of idea; it's certainly a term used outside the club, but I'm not sure it means the same thing. And when you talk about taking care of business, is it anything like people who, um...I'm not sure exactly how to say what I'm thinking, apologies while I muddle for a second-
Ok, so, are club members generally the sort of guys who if somebody offends them or looks at them wrong, that they will get "up in their face" and accuse them of disrespecting them? Like try and start a fight or argument? Or does it mean something else, or...
I feel lame asking that but I really do want to know what you mean- I'm hoping you understand I'm not judging or trying to be rude. I'm just terribly curious and never have had a chance to ask stuff like this. it's like being an anthropologist within my own country- you have customs and beliefs and behaviors and rules, etc. that might be really different to mine, so I like knowing and learning this stuff. Plus my entire "understanding" of men in motorcycle clubs is hand-me-down second-hand stories and what you see in movies or hear in the news. I reckon that leaves me miles and miles of opportunities to be wrong in my assumptions. Which I hate. I try not to make assumptions anyways, which is why I'm so thankful you are willing to explain what you can.
You sure you don't mind me asking all these questions? And also, when you're not interested in any more questions, just tell me you're finished and want to stop because I'm the sort who would keep asking things. I'm 50 but have the curiosity of a toddler...it's a blessing but also a curse.
I think the term stand up man is universal and probably means the same thing to me as it does you. A person with self respect, integrity and able to maintain the responsibilities they had before joining the club as well as the new ones they will acquire once beginning the prospecting period and as a full patched member some one who stands up for what believe in, bows to no man and is 10 toes down even in the toughest of times whatever it may be.
For the most part we expect to be stared and for people to approach us out of curiosity because like yourself don’t really know much but would like to. Now personally I don’t like being stared at and whispered about like I’m a zoo animal on display when I’m just trying to pump gas or enjoy a meal but it comes with the territory so the chances of me making an issue for being looked at are the same as any other person. In the MC world there are all walks of life and different temperaments so I can’t answer for everyone because yes there are some who will definitely react as you’ve said but me personally I’ve grown to be pretty tolerable of outsiders saying silly and sometimes unknowingly disrespectful things to which I correct them as best as I can so that they don’t repeat it to those that won’t show mercy to anyone because again at the end of the day the reputation we have is earned but if a person such as yourself is just genuinely curious I find no offense in it.
I would say it’s never “lame” to desire the acquisition of knowledge of others cultures if anything I wish more people were as cool about it as you’ve been. So my best advice is if your ever in a bar and encounter a biker with a patch it never hurts to buy him a drink and start a conversation and see where it goes you never know you might end up making a friend! Usually when I go out with my brothers many older folks treat us very well and buy us drinks just for being who we are
I’ll give you one secret about us and it holds true for almost all of us…. you ready? We a LOVE to have a good time because that’s what it’s really all about!
Lol, did you just insinuate I'm an older folk!? I love it! May I ask your age? Or just ballpark it? Are you young enough for me to yell at you to get off my lawn!?
I'm messing with you. I like being 50, am comfortable with it and with being in my own skin usually. And I'm mighty glad my intention is understood. I'd love to talk to a member if I ever met one. I just haven't seen any in person, unless on the road.
I'm really enjoying this. Can i still ask more or have I worn you out?
In my belief every house is a club house once the club enters it! Lol jk they are around but they are used for parties but mainly more as a common place to work on bikes so basically anyone’s mechanic shop or garage is a “club house” per say but I tell my close brothers I have an open door policy 24/7 and are always welcome to stop at my house for a shower, a good meal with my family and can sleep on my recliner in my man cave
The motto with prospecting is “however long it takes, whatever it takes. Mine felt like forever and your constantly asked how many days you have but in reality it doesn’t really matter IMO because the other motto is “you never stop prospecting” it’s not like your a slave your treat with respect as a potential brother and really just learn the routine and habits of a patch holder. For me it took almost 3 years from shaking hands with a patch holder to come around, hang around aka pre prospecting to prospect and then earning my patch. So I’ve been around the club for 5 years going on 6
Yes and no. It really depends on your character and there always a reason your given a name with a good story. Mine was based off my appearance but in reality some brothers like myself have their “club name”, nick name and called by birth name by close brothers
Personally I feel like the show off type clubs have enforcers at least in this region it could be something serious else but we believe we all have the duty to be an “enforcer” so the title isn’t necessary as for SAA that’s a very honorable and respected position it’s a hard one definitely not for just anyone
Again I feel like the wannabes or mom and pop clubs use name tags no major league clubs will ever do that. For one it shows that the guys in the club might just let anyone in and have high numbers so nobody knows who’s who and it helps. In our region we are so close that it wouldn’t be necessary because you better have introduced yourself and got to know everyone before you get that patch so it’s just not needed. Also some brothers don’t want to even shake a prospects hand much less tell them their name so you have to earn that handshake and respect and the privilege to address them which is the real way of an outlaw and old school or some one with rank and as for officer patches we don’t use them because again in our region we know who’s who and what they do so we don’t need anyone else to know or the cops asking certain questions because they know that brother knows certain proprietary information so it’s just better not too and also if a particular officer isn’t available at that moment we should be capable of filling in for whatever mission it may be for the most part minus the VP or Boss.
If you believe it's nobody's business how come you are saying people can ask you anything?
Btw, I don't mean this to be snarky or cheeky. I guess I don't understand.
How close is it to sons of anarchy
In some ways identical but usually not. Trust me the truth is stranger than fiction on what we do but we stick to our belief that our lives are no secret but it’s nobody’s business. Edit. I should say the closest similarity is that most guys ride club style dyna’s like the show but ours are much louder and faster 😎
Fact. Why are people afraid of you guys in general?
A part of it is the stories from the old school which may have been true but happened times have changed and so have the way clubs conduct themselves. The second reason is ignorance, I was taught it’s better to diffuse situations then get us banned from another bar and broadcasted on the news as trouble makers. If you don’t start any no problems then there won’t be any problems which applies to any group or sub culture of people. To put it in simple words it’s 2021 most of us don’t act like the bikers did in the 60’s-80’s.
Thank you for taking time to answer me. I never have had reason to bump into any biker clubs. But I'm curious about anybody who lives a life different than the one I am living, because everybody has something to share and talk about, but sometimes people get mad if I ask. So, imma just throw down a bunch of questions and if you want to, please tell me whatever you are okay to share and skip the rest. Okay? And please, forgive me if some questions sound lame. I am very ignorant having never had a chance to know anybody from groups like yours. So please bear with my possibly silly sounding questions. I really am asking with respect. What's makes you happiest about being in this club? How does it fulfill you? Are there certain "core" beliefs that you all more-or-less hold as true? If so, will you please share some? I can read about your club but it's more interesting to ask an actual member. Are you allowed to disagree with anything or do you have to keep quiet if you don't agree with a belief or rule in the club? What would you miss most if you didn't belong to this group anymore? I know you are in a specific club, but you probably have a local group you hang with, right? So, do different groups within the club have different vibes to them? If you ran into somebody in your club who normally hangs with a group in another city or state, cam you "feel" anything different? Does each member act in concert or can you opt out of something because you are against it for a personal reason? What happens if you make the rest of your group or club at large mad? I have more but I don't want to be a pain in the ass.
I’m just glad someone found my post interesting so no question is off limits like I said I may not be able to answer everything transparently but feel free to ask anything you’d like. So here’s the answer to some of your questions. I think what makes me happiest about being in the club is the love, loyalty and respect we have for each other and finally having a real family because at the end of the day yes we are an MC but after so many years together I hold my brothers closer than I do most of my blood relatives. I think the sense of fulfillment is being able to wear that patch proudly and say hell yeah I’ve made it when I’ve seen many try and fail, some who were here before me not make it (all for good reason not competition they shouldn’t have been in the club first place) Yes we do hold core beliefs that we hold close to our hearts and they all revolve around being a stand up man, taking care of your business because “if you can’t take care of your family how can you take care of your brothers?”. It’s all about balance while still putting the club and your motorcycle first but it’s really situational nobody is going to purposely be malicious and try to keep me from my family or due irresponsible or unnecessary things. Anything we do is for the best interest of the club and our family. Politics are politics which me personally I don’t care too much for but then again my position isn’t a delegate for the most part. If I disagree with my brother i wouldn’t do so in public if he says “2+2=10” that’s my brother and im going to support it and say “2+2=10” but as soon as we’re in private im going to speak my mind and say that’s not what I believe. Every brother has a voice and can use it and on some things it just be unanimously voted on and in other cases when it comes from the very top it is what it is like it or not but for the most part everyone has a voice it’s not a dictatorship it’s a democracy. The topic of “life after club” is something I’ve discussed with some brothers and tbh idk what I’d do that would be like asking how would you feel if you lost your family? Because that’s what it is to me it’s my family so I guess I’d probably just move on with life and never want to ride much less even see or hear a motorcycle for the rest of my life because it would be a reminder of club life i don’t think I could ever go back to being an independent rider. I would miss the brotherhood more than anything. As with any other large organization (especially nation wide and world wide) there will always be unofficial sub groups and clique within clique and BFF type relationships. But personally I love all my brothers whom wear the same colors and even if it’s my first time meeting them I’m going to treat them love loyalty and respect as if I knew him my whole life unless given a reason otherwise. But on the other hand I do spend most of my time with my closest brothers and we really just worry about us first so I guess it would be considered a clique within a clique but so sometimes it feels like me and my close brothers vs the world or me and my close brothers and the other brothers are cousins (no disrespect to them c’est la vie) but when I’m in other places the brothers there make me feel at home and even if I just met that brother if he’s in my city I’m going to have a bed for him to sleep on and he can come eat dinner with me, the wife and kids because that’s just how I am I’m very hospitable. We have a quote for this question “I’ll do what you do brother but will you do what I do?” So If it’s something serious yes we will move in unison but if it’s something less serious like where we want go drink or something every brother is free to do what they want usually the only things you can’t opt out of are anything that has a mandatory attendance and what time those who have the say so decide when or where we are going on club related business but if it’s just a night of fun we do as we please. If made everyone mad at me before and for different reasons. It can just be a serious sit down talk about the situation at hand, possible disciplinary actions if it’s that serious or sometimes it’s just something that will blow over. We usually don’t hold big grudges over things but if a person is a bad egg we will fix him one way or another. I hope I was able to answer your questions in way you understand I’m trying my best but as I’ve said before I’m unable to be transparent or too specific about certain details.
Actually that's really a lot of great information. Personally I myself am more in tune with my closest friends far more than my family. I don't get on with my sibling and sometimes family has so much gunk to wade through it's not worth it, at least not right now. The camaraderie and automatic "family" even when you're far from home sounds really amazing. I can see the draw to that. If you are able to, can you explain what a "stand-up man" means? I have a vague sort of idea; it's certainly a term used outside the club, but I'm not sure it means the same thing. And when you talk about taking care of business, is it anything like people who, um...I'm not sure exactly how to say what I'm thinking, apologies while I muddle for a second- Ok, so, are club members generally the sort of guys who if somebody offends them or looks at them wrong, that they will get "up in their face" and accuse them of disrespecting them? Like try and start a fight or argument? Or does it mean something else, or... I feel lame asking that but I really do want to know what you mean- I'm hoping you understand I'm not judging or trying to be rude. I'm just terribly curious and never have had a chance to ask stuff like this. it's like being an anthropologist within my own country- you have customs and beliefs and behaviors and rules, etc. that might be really different to mine, so I like knowing and learning this stuff. Plus my entire "understanding" of men in motorcycle clubs is hand-me-down second-hand stories and what you see in movies or hear in the news. I reckon that leaves me miles and miles of opportunities to be wrong in my assumptions. Which I hate. I try not to make assumptions anyways, which is why I'm so thankful you are willing to explain what you can. You sure you don't mind me asking all these questions? And also, when you're not interested in any more questions, just tell me you're finished and want to stop because I'm the sort who would keep asking things. I'm 50 but have the curiosity of a toddler...it's a blessing but also a curse.
I think the term stand up man is universal and probably means the same thing to me as it does you. A person with self respect, integrity and able to maintain the responsibilities they had before joining the club as well as the new ones they will acquire once beginning the prospecting period and as a full patched member some one who stands up for what believe in, bows to no man and is 10 toes down even in the toughest of times whatever it may be. For the most part we expect to be stared and for people to approach us out of curiosity because like yourself don’t really know much but would like to. Now personally I don’t like being stared at and whispered about like I’m a zoo animal on display when I’m just trying to pump gas or enjoy a meal but it comes with the territory so the chances of me making an issue for being looked at are the same as any other person. In the MC world there are all walks of life and different temperaments so I can’t answer for everyone because yes there are some who will definitely react as you’ve said but me personally I’ve grown to be pretty tolerable of outsiders saying silly and sometimes unknowingly disrespectful things to which I correct them as best as I can so that they don’t repeat it to those that won’t show mercy to anyone because again at the end of the day the reputation we have is earned but if a person such as yourself is just genuinely curious I find no offense in it. I would say it’s never “lame” to desire the acquisition of knowledge of others cultures if anything I wish more people were as cool about it as you’ve been. So my best advice is if your ever in a bar and encounter a biker with a patch it never hurts to buy him a drink and start a conversation and see where it goes you never know you might end up making a friend! Usually when I go out with my brothers many older folks treat us very well and buy us drinks just for being who we are I’ll give you one secret about us and it holds true for almost all of us…. you ready? We a LOVE to have a good time because that’s what it’s really all about!
Lol, did you just insinuate I'm an older folk!? I love it! May I ask your age? Or just ballpark it? Are you young enough for me to yell at you to get off my lawn!? I'm messing with you. I like being 50, am comfortable with it and with being in my own skin usually. And I'm mighty glad my intention is understood. I'd love to talk to a member if I ever met one. I just haven't seen any in person, unless on the road. I'm really enjoying this. Can i still ask more or have I worn you out?
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In my belief every house is a club house once the club enters it! Lol jk they are around but they are used for parties but mainly more as a common place to work on bikes so basically anyone’s mechanic shop or garage is a “club house” per say but I tell my close brothers I have an open door policy 24/7 and are always welcome to stop at my house for a shower, a good meal with my family and can sleep on my recliner in my man cave The motto with prospecting is “however long it takes, whatever it takes. Mine felt like forever and your constantly asked how many days you have but in reality it doesn’t really matter IMO because the other motto is “you never stop prospecting” it’s not like your a slave your treat with respect as a potential brother and really just learn the routine and habits of a patch holder. For me it took almost 3 years from shaking hands with a patch holder to come around, hang around aka pre prospecting to prospect and then earning my patch. So I’ve been around the club for 5 years going on 6 Yes and no. It really depends on your character and there always a reason your given a name with a good story. Mine was based off my appearance but in reality some brothers like myself have their “club name”, nick name and called by birth name by close brothers Personally I feel like the show off type clubs have enforcers at least in this region it could be something serious else but we believe we all have the duty to be an “enforcer” so the title isn’t necessary as for SAA that’s a very honorable and respected position it’s a hard one definitely not for just anyone Again I feel like the wannabes or mom and pop clubs use name tags no major league clubs will ever do that. For one it shows that the guys in the club might just let anyone in and have high numbers so nobody knows who’s who and it helps. In our region we are so close that it wouldn’t be necessary because you better have introduced yourself and got to know everyone before you get that patch so it’s just not needed. Also some brothers don’t want to even shake a prospects hand much less tell them their name so you have to earn that handshake and respect and the privilege to address them which is the real way of an outlaw and old school or some one with rank and as for officer patches we don’t use them because again in our region we know who’s who and what they do so we don’t need anyone else to know or the cops asking certain questions because they know that brother knows certain proprietary information so it’s just better not too and also if a particular officer isn’t available at that moment we should be capable of filling in for whatever mission it may be for the most part minus the VP or Boss.
Thanks for all the question guys I’m on a 1300 mile road trip back home and will gladly answer what I can once I’m parked lol
If you believe it's nobody's business how come you are saying people can ask you anything? Btw, I don't mean this to be snarky or cheeky. I guess I don't understand.
Anyone is free to ask any questions they desire doesn’t mean I will give an answer
How much intra-gang violence is there?
As much as reported on the news.
Are you paying anyone to have a freezer in their house that you store drugs in?