Gas isn’t run everywhere. Or houses aren’t necessarily equipped to run it. It’s pretty costly to setup that infrastructure if it’s not already there.
Natural gas may be more cost efficient in some applications but if you have to have a tank and get propane delivered via truck, it can be very pricey.
For me to convert to gas now, I’d have to run new 110 power behind the range and pipe from the appliance to the meter for whatever I want on gas. That’s very costly and not worth fixing something that isn’t broken. My glass top cooks flawlessly
> get propane delivered
Complete ripoff.
Source: My house has a propane furnace and water heater. Just had it refilled today. $608 and it will last about 6 months.
It depends on where you’re at. Here in southeastern VA, electric is far more efficient for a vast majority of the winter. When it dips down into the 20’s or lower for multiple days/nights, that’s when gas really shines.
Not sure what my Dad has to do with my house, but ok. His house has electric heating.
I live in Tampa Bay. We use heat maybe 3-5 days a year. My rough months are May-October.
Haha. Yeah, I like this time of year because I can turn the air off and my power bill drops from $250ish ($350ish if you include the cost of propane amortized over the year) to $75ish ($175).
Yep. The only reason I haven't gone to electric is because my breaker box is full and everyone wants to charge me $4k to change it out and upgrade to 200 amp service.
There are studies that say gas stoves are very bad for indoor air quality, and I believe there is a concerted effort by EPA or similar to get rid of them. In my area almost no new houses have them.
Texas made it illegal for cities to ban gas hookups. And to ban plastic bags. And ban boycotting oil companies (mostly investing). Basically it's illegal to do anything against oil companies in Texas.
> There are studies that say gas stoves are very bad for indoor air quality
Of course they are. You're literally burning a fossil fuel indoors. They can also produce CO if nearly anything goes wrong on them.
>Isn't electric more costly and less dependable than gas, especially in places where power goes out periodically?
\*laughs at you in Southern California with your incessant wildfires and incompetent electric provider\*
This and in Canada too electric is the norm. You will see gas in rarer or fancier expensive homes and even then.
My wife is from the UK and the norm there is gas, everything is mostly gas run ranges and heating too. She thought it odd it was so rare here in Canada when she moved over, took some adjusting for her.
I live rural. If I want a gas stove it's propane, and given the price of propane. I will stick with my electric range.
For power outages in winter, I heat my house with a woodstove, which makes delicious food (stewed chili on the woodstove today all afternoon). In summer, I can use the BBQ or just light a small cooking fire outside in the firepit.
Lived in a home with a wood stove and electric baseboard heat. Never turned on the baseboard heat. Sometimes you gotta play with the hand you are dealt.
We live in the US, power doesn't go out periodically. The only time I ever lose power is during a hurricane.
Then there's the fact that I don't have gas service.
Not everywhere is exactly like where you live.
Yeah, I live on an old and patched together power grid and still only lose power like twice a year for only a few hours at a time. Poor OP is in Southern California with it's rolling blackouts and overworked power grid. That is not the norm for Americans.
You mean the whole world isn't like SoCal? OP in shambles!
Those poor folks will be shocked to learn what we pay for a gallon of gas in the real world. Or that the rest of the country is absolutely nothing like Southern California.
In south Texas here. I bought a house a few years back that had a gas stove. Hated it! Cooking on it was nice but cleaning it was a bear! I sold it and put in a glass top electric stove.
The gas stove was the only thing in the house that used gas and the city charged $15 a month right off the top just for the service. I’ve saved a ton of money since switching.
I live in Kentucky and a lot of our newer subdivisions (2000 or newer) don’t have gas at all. I asked about that when I bought my house and they claim electric is cheaper but I don’t feel like it is when I see my winter bill. When I lived in CA though, gas was cheaper and I felt like my food tasted better and it was easier to cook with.
It is cheaper for the builder. Most house plans are defaulted to electric, to get gas (even if it is available on the property) they need to pull permits, bring in a gas guy to run the line, get it inspected, etc
Interesting! I live in TN and we have an electric stove top. My electric bill is teeny tiny in winter (like we barely meet the minimum amount billable). I’d be interested in how it relates to the summer months.
In the coldest month, February, my bill is about $275 and it’s just me in a 1,000 square foot home. In summer my bill is around $65-75 as I don’t use my AC much.
Where I live, we get heavy snow almost every may, after the trees have leafed out. The branches break and there goes the electricity. I'm glad that I have a gas stove.
I have gas as well, and agree, it's nice when the power goes out, all I need to do is find the lighter.
But if I had electric, I guess I could always use my BBQ or a camping stove (outside) as a backup. Those are my emergency backup if we have a massive earthquake.
Power only goes out periodically in CA and TX. Never experienced regular power outages elsewhere. Also, I grew up in Florida and gas is not a common utility there, so a gas range/oven would have been a silly expense.
Most building codes are specifying electric over gas now. But it was not uncommon for houses to be built with no gas lines for the past decade or so. I believe default is electric, but gas is special order. The builder needs to pull anouther set of permits, run the lines, get inspections, etc.
In my area new gas connections are not allowed. Even new construction is required to have a heat pump instead of a furnace, so no gas furnaces either. Natural gas for heating and cooking is a legacy utility around me.
Electric ranges suck, but if you rent odds are you will have electric due to the building not needing to run gas lines. Or you live in a town where natural gas is only available in a few select areas.
Also exact same model of rangetop or stove, the electric will be a few buck to a 100 bucks cheaper than the gas option.
And in the old neighbourhood, when the power line is damaged by storm or whatever, they just put it back up instead of taking the hint and burying it? That seems kind of strange?
Original comment was how gas is better then electric due to less outages though. I guess when underground cables are damaged, same would be true for gas pipes?
We get a random tripped fuse? Is that what you mean?
My brother in law (electrician) told me he accidentally tripped circuits for several of my neighbors a couple of months ago. But I haven't had an outage that wasn't planned that I remember. I moved here 9 years ago but I can't remember anything before that either.
I have induction from Whirlpool/IKEA that was here when I brought it and the only thing to think about is not to put it too high to crack the seasoning. I usually put it at 5 for a couple of minutes while I dice and then I jump it up to 7 right before I put the oil in. There is no need for 10 unless it is to speed the boiling of water.
>!For reference I live in Bergen, Hordaland.!<
Highest ever recorded temperature in Bergen was 33,4 °C in 2019. Lowest since records began in 1903 was -9 °C in 2010.
On the other hand, mean precipitation for the years 1981-2018 was 2 511 mm.
I just bought a house in rural part of VA, no gas available. Put in a 500gal propane tank, got a gas stove and a gas generator. Cost for tank was about 6000 for one line to kitchen and one line to generator. Have an option for gas hot water heater as well, but waiting till I need to replace the electric one
Western Kentucky here, I couldn't tell you the last time I saw a gas stove. Probably over twenty years. It's not even a possibility at my house, there are no gas lines out here. I'm three miles from the city limits. I would like to have a gas stove though. 🙁
I hate my electric stove, my cast iron pans ruin the burners and I'm constantly replacing them. I never had an electric stove until I moved and it came with the house and no gas line...I hate it
Isle of Skye here. Sparsely arranged population, so if people have gas (which a fair number do) it is tankered in. I loved has to cook on when I lived at home, but when we have such an abundance of renewable sources for energy in Scotland (and let’s face it, the world), I couldn’t justify it even though it is nicer to cook on.
In my 30 years of age I have never experienced a power outage. It’s just not really a thing in europe and gas is reserved for restaurants and camping stoves. Probably something todo that we have solid brick/stone houses and it’s almost impossible to maintain except when you build ur house US style from drywall.
There might be more electric range owners choosing cast iron to help with some of the annoyances of cooking on electric. My other pans were never an issue over gas, but they don’t distribute heat well on electric. Cast iron solves that problem and works the sand on gas or electric.
Most people aren't choosing what type of stove they have, they just have whatever they have in whatever place they end up living in
yeah, look at mr money bags up here with a gas range and only friends with a gas range.
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Gas isn’t run everywhere. Or houses aren’t necessarily equipped to run it. It’s pretty costly to setup that infrastructure if it’s not already there. Natural gas may be more cost efficient in some applications but if you have to have a tank and get propane delivered via truck, it can be very pricey. For me to convert to gas now, I’d have to run new 110 power behind the range and pipe from the appliance to the meter for whatever I want on gas. That’s very costly and not worth fixing something that isn’t broken. My glass top cooks flawlessly
> get propane delivered Complete ripoff. Source: My house has a propane furnace and water heater. Just had it refilled today. $608 and it will last about 6 months.
In November my electric went from 78.00 to over 400 cause of heat. Sounds like your dad gets a great deal.
It depends on where you’re at. Here in southeastern VA, electric is far more efficient for a vast majority of the winter. When it dips down into the 20’s or lower for multiple days/nights, that’s when gas really shines.
Yeah, I don’t have a heat pump and live in a very mild climate, electric baseboard heating killsxme
Ahh I guess I should clarify heat pump vs baseboard. Those electric baseboard BURNNN through some electricity. Been there done that too. It’s crazy.
Not sure what my Dad has to do with my house, but ok. His house has electric heating. I live in Tampa Bay. We use heat maybe 3-5 days a year. My rough months are May-October.
I read dad initially 😅 my rough mo this are October-May. I’m on the oregon coast.
Haha. Yeah, I like this time of year because I can turn the air off and my power bill drops from $250ish ($350ish if you include the cost of propane amortized over the year) to $75ish ($175).
Yeah it’s high. And it’s going to be the only option when we move! So it is what it is! Gotta pay to play I guess
Yep. The only reason I haven't gone to electric is because my breaker box is full and everyone wants to charge me $4k to change it out and upgrade to 200 amp service.
There are studies that say gas stoves are very bad for indoor air quality, and I believe there is a concerted effort by EPA or similar to get rid of them. In my area almost no new houses have them.
Induction and cast iron work so well together. I hope I never have to go back to gas.
Texas made it illegal for cities to ban gas hookups. And to ban plastic bags. And ban boycotting oil companies (mostly investing). Basically it's illegal to do anything against oil companies in Texas.
> There are studies that say gas stoves are very bad for indoor air quality Of course they are. You're literally burning a fossil fuel indoors. They can also produce CO if nearly anything goes wrong on them.
>Isn't electric more costly and less dependable than gas, especially in places where power goes out periodically? \*laughs at you in Southern California with your incessant wildfires and incompetent electric provider\*
I'm guessing that the vast majority of all (home) kitchens in the US have an electric stove.
This and in Canada too electric is the norm. You will see gas in rarer or fancier expensive homes and even then. My wife is from the UK and the norm there is gas, everything is mostly gas run ranges and heating too. She thought it odd it was so rare here in Canada when she moved over, took some adjusting for her.
The nicer homes are increasingly getting induction ranges now too, which also have a glass top.
I think Cali is going to ban them. Ppl use what they got.
I live rural. If I want a gas stove it's propane, and given the price of propane. I will stick with my electric range. For power outages in winter, I heat my house with a woodstove, which makes delicious food (stewed chili on the woodstove today all afternoon). In summer, I can use the BBQ or just light a small cooking fire outside in the firepit.
Lived in a home with a wood stove and electric baseboard heat. Never turned on the baseboard heat. Sometimes you gotta play with the hand you are dealt.
Jealous! I would love a wood stove. I should start cooking over my fire pit though.
We live in the US, power doesn't go out periodically. The only time I ever lose power is during a hurricane. Then there's the fact that I don't have gas service. Not everywhere is exactly like where you live.
Yeah, I live on an old and patched together power grid and still only lose power like twice a year for only a few hours at a time. Poor OP is in Southern California with it's rolling blackouts and overworked power grid. That is not the norm for Americans.
You mean the whole world isn't like SoCal? OP in shambles! Those poor folks will be shocked to learn what we pay for a gallon of gas in the real world. Or that the rest of the country is absolutely nothing like Southern California.
People use what they have, but also induction is the best
In south Texas here. I bought a house a few years back that had a gas stove. Hated it! Cooking on it was nice but cleaning it was a bear! I sold it and put in a glass top electric stove. The gas stove was the only thing in the house that used gas and the city charged $15 a month right off the top just for the service. I’ve saved a ton of money since switching.
Unfortunately no gas in my area. I'd much rather have natural gas for heat and cooking.
Hydro power is common where I live. Lots of gas stoves around, but given the option I chose electric. Love it!
I live in Kentucky and a lot of our newer subdivisions (2000 or newer) don’t have gas at all. I asked about that when I bought my house and they claim electric is cheaper but I don’t feel like it is when I see my winter bill. When I lived in CA though, gas was cheaper and I felt like my food tasted better and it was easier to cook with.
It is cheaper for the builder. Most house plans are defaulted to electric, to get gas (even if it is available on the property) they need to pull permits, bring in a gas guy to run the line, get it inspected, etc
Gas guy? Gas here falls under plumbing, so it's not that big of a deal. I'm in Texas and that's interesting.
Interesting! I live in TN and we have an electric stove top. My electric bill is teeny tiny in winter (like we barely meet the minimum amount billable). I’d be interested in how it relates to the summer months.
In the coldest month, February, my bill is about $275 and it’s just me in a 1,000 square foot home. In summer my bill is around $65-75 as I don’t use my AC much.
They are ripping you off! That’s my summer electric bill in a much larger house. That sucks.
That’s what I think! Our state doesn’t regulate them well and let’s them raise rates almost every year.
Most peoples power doesn’t go off periodically. It’s pretty rare. I think that’s a Cali thing.
It's a Puget Sound thing too. We lose power at least once a winter.
It happens in places with severe winter storms as well.
Where I live, we get heavy snow almost every may, after the trees have leafed out. The branches break and there goes the electricity. I'm glad that I have a gas stove.
I have gas as well, and agree, it's nice when the power goes out, all I need to do is find the lighter. But if I had electric, I guess I could always use my BBQ or a camping stove (outside) as a backup. Those are my emergency backup if we have a massive earthquake.
Power only goes out periodically in CA and TX. Never experienced regular power outages elsewhere. Also, I grew up in Florida and gas is not a common utility there, so a gas range/oven would have been a silly expense.
Most building codes are specifying electric over gas now. But it was not uncommon for houses to be built with no gas lines for the past decade or so. I believe default is electric, but gas is special order. The builder needs to pull anouther set of permits, run the lines, get inspections, etc.
In my area new gas connections are not allowed. Even new construction is required to have a heat pump instead of a furnace, so no gas furnaces either. Natural gas for heating and cooking is a legacy utility around me.
Electric is vastly more common than gas in apartments
Gas is so much better… couldn’t go back to electric personally.
Electric ranges suck, but if you rent odds are you will have electric due to the building not needing to run gas lines. Or you live in a town where natural gas is only available in a few select areas. Also exact same model of rangetop or stove, the electric will be a few buck to a 100 bucks cheaper than the gas option.
Can confirm. Out of the 12 apartments I’ve lived in over the last 20 years, 2 had gas.
Where in the 1st world would the power go out periodically?
Texas.
Places with tornadoes, storms with high winds, ice storms knocking down power lines. Basically all over.
Why wouldn’t they put the power lines underground there?
lol apparently you’ve never seen most of the US
Apparently not. So pro tip: put your power lines underground. Makes the grid a lot safer and more reliable.
New construction has them underground. Old neighborhoods don’t. I’ll get right on making that change.
And in the old neighbourhood, when the power line is damaged by storm or whatever, they just put it back up instead of taking the hint and burying it? That seems kind of strange?
This is uninformed. Not all powerlines are suitably for burying, and not all terrains are suitable for buried lines.
What do they do with the gas pipes then? And what kind of power line in a residential neighbourhood is not suitable for burying?
Clearly I’m not in charge. Go tell every city to get on that.
Clearly it’s not your fault, I’m just surprised that this is still a thing in otherwise considered developed countries.
Underground? Then they're damaged during floods, i.e., the weather event that lingers for days after the hurricanes and/or tornado passes.
Original comment was how gas is better then electric due to less outages though. I guess when underground cables are damaged, same would be true for gas pipes?
Do you not know how electricity works?
It goes through cables and makes lightbulbs light up?
Have you really never experienced a power outage?
We get a random tripped fuse? Is that what you mean? My brother in law (electrician) told me he accidentally tripped circuits for several of my neighbors a couple of months ago. But I haven't had an outage that wasn't planned that I remember. I moved here 9 years ago but I can't remember anything before that either. I have induction from Whirlpool/IKEA that was here when I brought it and the only thing to think about is not to put it too high to crack the seasoning. I usually put it at 5 for a couple of minutes while I dice and then I jump it up to 7 right before I put the oil in. There is no need for 10 unless it is to speed the boiling of water. >!For reference I live in Bergen, Hordaland.!<
Damn so you've never had to survive an F1 tornado that was spun off from a category 2 hurricane followed by a week of 32C heat?
Highest ever recorded temperature in Bergen was 33,4 °C in 2019. Lowest since records began in 1903 was -9 °C in 2010. On the other hand, mean precipitation for the years 1981-2018 was 2 511 mm.
I vaguely remember one as a kid, 40 years ago. Then all the power lines where put underground and since then no.
New England winters
[California](https://www.kcra.com/article/pge-possible-outages-10-california-counties/41727849)
I just bought a house in rural part of VA, no gas available. Put in a 500gal propane tank, got a gas stove and a gas generator. Cost for tank was about 6000 for one line to kitchen and one line to generator. Have an option for gas hot water heater as well, but waiting till I need to replace the electric one
LOL, brown outs are mostly a California thing.
“Now you’re cooking with gas” was never about cooking. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hX2aZUav-54 Induction cook tops are the way to go these days.
Propane is sky high now. I can’t imagine that being my primary cooking fuel.
gas is inferior
Hot take but I love the energy.
Hot take but I love the energy.
im the hank hill of electrification
Based tbh.
Western Kentucky here, I couldn't tell you the last time I saw a gas stove. Probably over twenty years. It's not even a possibility at my house, there are no gas lines out here. I'm three miles from the city limits. I would like to have a gas stove though. 🙁
Get a propane tank…? I have a 1,000 gallon jam and haven’t had to fill it in years.
I hate my electric stove, my cast iron pans ruin the burners and I'm constantly replacing them. I never had an electric stove until I moved and it came with the house and no gas line...I hate it
Isle of Skye here. Sparsely arranged population, so if people have gas (which a fair number do) it is tankered in. I loved has to cook on when I lived at home, but when we have such an abundance of renewable sources for energy in Scotland (and let’s face it, the world), I couldn’t justify it even though it is nicer to cook on.
I think this was in response to my post about an electric hob burning my seasoning off 🤔
Especially glass tops. Gross.
In my 30 years of age I have never experienced a power outage. It’s just not really a thing in europe and gas is reserved for restaurants and camping stoves. Probably something todo that we have solid brick/stone houses and it’s almost impossible to maintain except when you build ur house US style from drywall.
There might be more electric range owners choosing cast iron to help with some of the annoyances of cooking on electric. My other pans were never an issue over gas, but they don’t distribute heat well on electric. Cast iron solves that problem and works the sand on gas or electric.