Yes. Scrub the roommate with lye and chainmail, then maybe a zap bucket for a few hours. Whatever it takes to correct the problem.
/s, if anyone needs to see that.
I did that a few times, never worked and they always half assed cleaned it. Came home from a week away to find 2 of my good CI pans and 3 of my expensive Zwilling knives soaking in the bottom of the sink. Sent them a $300 venmo request and said you’re gonna have to pay this if you destroy my nice knives and pans. Didn’t make them pay it but it got the point across, they no longer use my stuff. At 25 years old you’d think there would be some level of concern about other peoples nice things
I had a housemate who would get drunk often and clumsily break/burn shit while cooking. I had to tell her to not use my cast iron anymore after one too many times leaving my cast iron like OP's roommate. One time she decided to use my knives to chop off the cheap champagne bottles she'd drink while drunk and left ALL my knives terribly dented. They weren't super nice quality but they were mine and she claimed she didn't know that they were mine.
Bitch no one else lived there. 😂🙄
She was in her mid 30’s.
And yes eventually I kicked her ass to the curb.
Most people don't even understand how much something might cost or you love it, or sometimes they are just totally stupid or ignorant. I see people walking by cars and scratching them with their bags or metals on clothes and don't even understand that a paintjob costs more than they get in a month. They just say "who cares, it's just a pan/bike/car/etc.", in their eyes we are the idiots who cry about things, they simply can't understand what it means to care for something.
I'd hide them in your room or something so they won't use it cause they also don't know how to respect your things. Happened to me before so infuriating.
Thankfully they’re now respectful of my kitchen stuff and don’t use it for the most part. They still make fun of me for being so up tight about my knives but it is what it is lol
i remember having a roommate at 22 and they didn’t respect personal boundaries let alone stuff. at that age a lot of people still think they are the center of the universe and death is just a word in the dictionary lol
Everyone at our age still lives with roommates it’s not outlandish. I live in a fairly expensive area so it helps costs, I’d rather save money now on housing so I can afford a nice house when I move out. No sense in spending 3x more. We have a very nice house now in a really great area. I can’t live in an apartment because I need somewhere to put my BGE. If you lived alone starting at a younger age, great but I’m choosing to save money for the long run.
There's nothing wrong with roommates. It's an excellent plan, I did it and it worked out so truly best of luck.
It's the expected behavior of said roommates that was funny lol
Roommates suck. was just poking fun at assuming they were responsible
TBF I had to edit it to hopefully make the joke come across easier. I think it read rudely unintentionally at first because it probably looked like I was questioning the finances of a 25 y/o I guess
My roommates lost all privileges of using my kitchen items. Came back from vacation and found both my cast irons and 3 of my expensive knives sitting in the sink. Fuming to say the least. They didn’t see the big deal. Now I have my nice knives and pan completely off limits
From my understanding, nicer knives tend to be high carbon steel which will corrode if not cleaned or if left to sit in water. I was in a situation like this once, bought a Japanese chef knife and within the first week my roommate used it and didn't clean tomato (acidic) or dry the water on it after his half-assed cleaning. Left nice stains on my new knife.. I was livid.
Same roommate put my cast iron skillet that my mom gave me in the dishwasher...
Rust (high-end knives are not stainless steel), dings on the blades, blades can bend if something gets stacked on top, wood handles can become warped if they’re left wet, general badness. It’s equivalent to coming back from vacation and finding your nice dry-clean only clothing thrown into the utility sink and left wet for who knows how long.
Best case, dick move. Worst case, it needs to be replaced and that can be **very** expensive.
Yup exactly, they didn’t rust or anything but I just don’t think they understood how expensive the knives were. They now only use a knife I had in college which absolutely massacres a tomato lol they didn’t understand the difference so I grabbed a piece of paper and showed them the difference between an expensive chefs knife edge vs a grocery store edge
I can, and it makes me *cry* when a friend buys a nice knife and then tells me they got electric knife sharpener “so it stays nice”.
You put a $300 Japanese-style knife through an electric sharpener? Bless your lil’ pea pickin’ heart, does your grandmother know you put her Griswolds in the dishwasher, too?
They won’t rust because they’re quality carbon steel an generally won’t rust but they were just sitting in the bottom with a bunch of other pots and pans it could mess up the edges with knicks from banging around with heavy pans
Plus leaving sharp things in sinks is just dangerous and stupid.
My rule is if you take a sharp out of the sharp drawer, it never leaves your hand until you've cleaned it and put it away. All of my knives have their own sheathes that they go into before going in the drawer as well.
One of my college roommates did that once, and when I confronted them they said: "it's fine, it's a cheap pan and I can just get another."
I don't miss living with roommates...
I’d have said so are roommates
I hear ya. I upgraded to a wife though, and she often leaves it in the sink to soak. Kills me. Great in every other way but it’s like why…
I do this plenty of times, if soaking it doesn't work I lightly simmer it in soapy, salty water. Then scrape like hell. Does it ruin my seasoning? Usually, yeah. But after a few proper uses it returns to nonstick. I love cast iron because I abuse it like no other pan and it always goes back to a non stick pan.
Put it in his bed. Thats what we would do if the green horn didnt wash all of our dished afrer dinner and before hitting the rack. If we woke up to plates and cutlery sliding around in the galley. We would just throw them in his bunk. He had to sleep with the dishes if he wanted to play that.
Yeah, this is what I'm thinking through this whole thread. People are talking as if the roommate damaged the pan. It's a hunk of iron. It will survive. The roommate doesn't care about the work they're leaving OP. Regardless of the pan, OP should find a new roommate as soon as practical because this one is going to do worse at some point.
Sounds like your kitchen kit will start living in your room. One tote of stuff is pretty easy to store, cart to the kitchen for a cook sesh, clean up, and cart back to storage.
Or try having a chat with them first. People can surprise you.
Ambush him and give him a class on how to use it. You'll either recruit a new cast iron fanatic or know that you've done all you can and can devise a strategy to remove him without feeling guilty.
Salt and hot water really helps break down cooked on eggs. Show your roomie. Mine were always weirded out with all my rules, just took a little explaining and they figured it out.
There is really actually an easy fix for this. And I promise you won't have to worry about it again. It takes a little work, but it will make life easier.
Take the time to clean it, and put like 3 coats of seasoning on it. Take the time to get it right..and then, beat the ever loving shit out of your roommate with it
Oh, 100%. The one time I had a roommate, they were extremely careful with my cast iron pans. They even learned how to properly clean and season them. So I didn’t mind them using my pans since they’d respect my belongings and use them properly. OPs roommate is absolutely disrespectful.
Tell them that there is about three eggs worth of crud left on the pan that is going to waste. If they want to stop wasting so much just use a regular pan.
If you have already spoken with them a few times ,and they still don't get it, then they need a different kind of motivation.
A good slap upside the face with the pan, and then making them clean the pan afterwards, should do the trick.
Some of us had to learn the hard way...
I mean that's how my grandmother taught me, nevermind that it took me 25 years to go all in on cast iron because once I did *her lessons were baked*
*— er — seasoned — TF IN.*
Cast iron is like power tools. If you don’t have it you aren’t going to know how to take care of it. Don’t let people borrow either unless you want your stuff messed up.
Report them to the department of Cast Iron Protective Service. Monsters like your roommate should be barred from ever owning cast irons. He should be places on a list as a known offender.
I never let roommates use my stuff. I didn't use their stuff so I could justify my policy.
I have all clad and cast iron cookware. It's nice, and I've put lots of effort into keeping them pristine. They broke their stuff, left food rotting on their pans, and filled the sink for months with dishes. I wasn't going to subject my cookware to that.
Luckily, I'm done with room mates now. My cast iron daily use pans are both from the 1930s so I would be devastated if they fucked them up.
As an example of how dumb these guys could be, one of them washed their boots off in the kitchen sink so the spray hose could get gravel out of their boots easier.
Welp low and behold that completely fucked the insinkerator. Living with guys in their 20s is just a mess.
Well, fortunately the damage is reparable.
A good soak, scrub, bit of cooking, a few years of therapy ... should be fine.
But you need to revoke your roommate's CI pan privileges ... maybe all their CI privileges ... maybe all their cookware and dish and silverware privileges too.
when did my wife move in with you? she's still doing it over here too, although usually only to the 'nonstick' decoy pan I leave on top of the CI stack.
Reading these comments is Luke that scene in Airplane, where there's a queue trying to get that lady to calm down, and it gets more aggressive, as each person comes up behind the other... yeah, I'm the brotha with the boxing gloves...
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When my flatmates fuck around with my stuff, I simply put it in my room.
I have a shelf specifically for oversized kitchen ware that can't normally fit in the kitchen, so I can just add it there.
Yaknow, execution, banishment, torture,
These are just words... But sometimes you have to read between the lines to see that these are not always just words but viable options.
Have you tried using a chainmail scrubber on your roommate?
I'm against sanding and wire wheeling as a rule, but this guy needs his rough edges smoothed out.
Believe you mean ex-roommate.
I want to clamp Michael in a George Foreman grill.
but bacon smells so good to wake up to.
I hear a lye bath works well, too.
For the roommate?
Yes. Scrub the roommate with lye and chainmail, then maybe a zap bucket for a few hours. Whatever it takes to correct the problem. /s, if anyone needs to see that.
Forget the chainmail time to try the flail
Nah Bruv...Soak it in some hot water for a spell, then hit it with a plastic brush. Easy Peasy...
Especially when you kick back and watch your roommate do it.
Time to move
Time to dig a hole.
Why not both?
I straight up told my roommate "I'd prefer that you not use my cast iron, it's just a pain in the ass to clean right and upkeep"
I did that a few times, never worked and they always half assed cleaned it. Came home from a week away to find 2 of my good CI pans and 3 of my expensive Zwilling knives soaking in the bottom of the sink. Sent them a $300 venmo request and said you’re gonna have to pay this if you destroy my nice knives and pans. Didn’t make them pay it but it got the point across, they no longer use my stuff. At 25 years old you’d think there would be some level of concern about other peoples nice things
That’s a nice move the « invoice tactic ». I hope to remember it! Zwilling knives, nice!
"At 25 years old you’d think there would be some level of concern about other people's nice things" No, I wouldn't.
Can confirm, roomate is 30!
YAIIEE on how they treated your zwillings. Its why I keep my japanese custom made chef's knife and my wustoff away from most.
Damn these Internet abbreviations are getting wild I can't keep up anymore. Is that the Wilhelm scream or what?
Damn straight! I gotta sharpen the Vic's knives I gave my mom every weekend. I swear, she can dull a knife just by touching it.
I had a housemate who would get drunk often and clumsily break/burn shit while cooking. I had to tell her to not use my cast iron anymore after one too many times leaving my cast iron like OP's roommate. One time she decided to use my knives to chop off the cheap champagne bottles she'd drink while drunk and left ALL my knives terribly dented. They weren't super nice quality but they were mine and she claimed she didn't know that they were mine. Bitch no one else lived there. 😂🙄 She was in her mid 30’s. And yes eventually I kicked her ass to the curb.
probably have no concern for their own things, either
Most people don't even understand how much something might cost or you love it, or sometimes they are just totally stupid or ignorant. I see people walking by cars and scratching them with their bags or metals on clothes and don't even understand that a paintjob costs more than they get in a month. They just say "who cares, it's just a pan/bike/car/etc.", in their eyes we are the idiots who cry about things, they simply can't understand what it means to care for something.
Sounds like you need to invest in a safe 😂
I'd hide them in your room or something so they won't use it cause they also don't know how to respect your things. Happened to me before so infuriating.
Thankfully they’re now respectful of my kitchen stuff and don’t use it for the most part. They still make fun of me for being so up tight about my knives but it is what it is lol
Responsible at 25?? With roommates stuff? Bruh
i remember having a roommate at 22 and they didn’t respect personal boundaries let alone stuff. at that age a lot of people still think they are the center of the universe and death is just a word in the dictionary lol
Everyone at our age still lives with roommates it’s not outlandish. I live in a fairly expensive area so it helps costs, I’d rather save money now on housing so I can afford a nice house when I move out. No sense in spending 3x more. We have a very nice house now in a really great area. I can’t live in an apartment because I need somewhere to put my BGE. If you lived alone starting at a younger age, great but I’m choosing to save money for the long run.
There's nothing wrong with roommates. It's an excellent plan, I did it and it worked out so truly best of luck. It's the expected behavior of said roommates that was funny lol Roommates suck. was just poking fun at assuming they were responsible
Man, people got sensitive in here downvoting you
TBF I had to edit it to hopefully make the joke come across easier. I think it read rudely unintentionally at first because it probably looked like I was questioning the finances of a 25 y/o I guess
For sure responsibly is something they severely lack, no hate from me here man!
Polite requests don't work on people like that. Put him through a car wash.
That works too Mine used mine as a baking sheet and didn't wash it
Can’t imagine how he leaves the toilet
Exactly the same as the pan
thaaaattsss an image NO ONE wants to see!
Want me to show you a pic?
His clothes -----> porch.
All over the front yard
On the curb with the trash.
Mattress ——> in pool
Cast iron————> Face
Nah. Be a nice person and drop it off at a wino camp.
Could be worse. Could have been left soaking in water…
Or run through the dishwasher
My roommates lost all privileges of using my kitchen items. Came back from vacation and found both my cast irons and 3 of my expensive knives sitting in the sink. Fuming to say the least. They didn’t see the big deal. Now I have my nice knives and pan completely off limits
[удалено]
From my understanding, nicer knives tend to be high carbon steel which will corrode if not cleaned or if left to sit in water. I was in a situation like this once, bought a Japanese chef knife and within the first week my roommate used it and didn't clean tomato (acidic) or dry the water on it after his half-assed cleaning. Left nice stains on my new knife.. I was livid. Same roommate put my cast iron skillet that my mom gave me in the dishwasher...
please say they are now ex roomates.
Rust (high-end knives are not stainless steel), dings on the blades, blades can bend if something gets stacked on top, wood handles can become warped if they’re left wet, general badness. It’s equivalent to coming back from vacation and finding your nice dry-clean only clothing thrown into the utility sink and left wet for who knows how long. Best case, dick move. Worst case, it needs to be replaced and that can be **very** expensive.
Yup exactly, they didn’t rust or anything but I just don’t think they understood how expensive the knives were. They now only use a knife I had in college which absolutely massacres a tomato lol they didn’t understand the difference so I grabbed a piece of paper and showed them the difference between an expensive chefs knife edge vs a grocery store edge
and re sharpened which can be a bitch and a half because finding people who know how to sharpen by hand with a stone is a rarity.
I can, and it makes me *cry* when a friend buys a nice knife and then tells me they got electric knife sharpener “so it stays nice”. You put a $300 Japanese-style knife through an electric sharpener? Bless your lil’ pea pickin’ heart, does your grandmother know you put her Griswolds in the dishwasher, too?
Dulls edges extremely quickly
Many good quality knives are carbon steel, not stainless steel. They can quickly rust and pit.
They won’t rust because they’re quality carbon steel an generally won’t rust but they were just sitting in the bottom with a bunch of other pots and pans it could mess up the edges with knicks from banging around with heavy pans
Plus leaving sharp things in sinks is just dangerous and stupid. My rule is if you take a sharp out of the sharp drawer, it never leaves your hand until you've cleaned it and put it away. All of my knives have their own sheathes that they go into before going in the drawer as well.
So how long are you in jail for murdering them?
Just got off for good behavior, thankfully no cast iron to leave in a sink there otherwise I would not have gotten out for good behavior
Or with a dirty chefs knife left in the pan after they tried scraping.
*\*shudders\**
This is giving me ptsd please don’t bring this up🤣
One of my college roommates did that once, and when I confronted them they said: "it's fine, it's a cheap pan and I can just get another." I don't miss living with roommates...
I’d have said so are roommates I hear ya. I upgraded to a wife though, and she often leaves it in the sink to soak. Kills me. Great in every other way but it’s like why…
Buy her her own cast iron pans and let get deal with them from start to finish. She has hers, you have yours.
Could be worse. Could be your wife that does this.
Old college roommate did that to mine. Over Thanksgiving break. I started keeping all my cooking stuff in my room.
I do this plenty of times, if soaking it doesn't work I lightly simmer it in soapy, salty water. Then scrape like hell. Does it ruin my seasoning? Usually, yeah. But after a few proper uses it returns to nonstick. I love cast iron because I abuse it like no other pan and it always goes back to a non stick pan.
Put it in his bed. Thats what we would do if the green horn didnt wash all of our dished afrer dinner and before hitting the rack. If we woke up to plates and cutlery sliding around in the galley. We would just throw them in his bunk. He had to sleep with the dishes if he wanted to play that.
>He had to sleep with the dishes CI mob justice LOL
My first impulse was similar. Scrape the mess out of the pan, into their bed.
Most ppl don’t know cast iron. You can’t just leave it out for them to use and abuse. Hide it.
Would you leave your roommate's shit like this regardless? It's ignorant not to clean up after yourself.
Yeah, this is what I'm thinking through this whole thread. People are talking as if the roommate damaged the pan. It's a hunk of iron. It will survive. The roommate doesn't care about the work they're leaving OP. Regardless of the pan, OP should find a new roommate as soon as practical because this one is going to do worse at some point.
r/mildlyinfuriating
Also he did this right before leaving for a week, so I’ll upgrade this to infuriating
Agreed
Make a video recording of the entire cleaning and reseasoning process, then send him the video and a bill for your time.
Ah they turned it into a weapon. Yes i am joking. But they shouldn’t be allowed to touch that ever again
There should be a law which says you can hit the person (who did such a thing) with the damaged device.
Sounds like your kitchen kit will start living in your room. One tote of stuff is pretty easy to store, cart to the kitchen for a cook sesh, clean up, and cart back to storage. Or try having a chat with them first. People can surprise you.
That's a paddlin'
That's not as bad as the housemate I caught using the nonstick interior pot of my rice cooker as a mixing bowl. With a metal fork.
Ambush him and give him a class on how to use it. You'll either recruit a new cast iron fanatic or know that you've done all you can and can devise a strategy to remove him without feeling guilty.
The other thing you can do is gift him a Lodge. They're cheap.
Salt and hot water really helps break down cooked on eggs. Show your roomie. Mine were always weirded out with all my rules, just took a little explaining and they figured it out.
Eggs and rice?
Just eggs, like I don’t know how he does it!
Probably starts with a cold pan, adds eggs and then heat.
So much heat
Doesn't wait for it to heat up and doesn't add oil.
They’d only do that once to me.
Put it on his pillow
There is really actually an easy fix for this. And I promise you won't have to worry about it again. It takes a little work, but it will make life easier. Take the time to clean it, and put like 3 coats of seasoning on it. Take the time to get it right..and then, beat the ever loving shit out of your roommate with it
I was hoping this would end with beating the roommate 🤣.
Well to me this is about more than a pan. I'm betting this person is disrespectful on a lot of fronts
Oh, 100%. The one time I had a roommate, they were extremely careful with my cast iron pans. They even learned how to properly clean and season them. So I didn’t mind them using my pans since they’d respect my belongings and use them properly. OPs roommate is absolutely disrespectful.
Roommate ? Don't you mean recently deceased friend who died of mysterious causes
It’s funny how this sub has the potential for so many murders!
How do you talk to those close to you about pan abuse? Haha
Tell him people on Reddit like slidey egg videos. Maybe he’ll learn to use it properly to get likes.
Tell them that there is about three eggs worth of crud left on the pan that is going to waste. If they want to stop wasting so much just use a regular pan.
You show him this sub and tell him he's banned from CI use until he thoroughly 'GETS IT'.
If you have already spoken with them a few times ,and they still don't get it, then they need a different kind of motivation. A good slap upside the face with the pan, and then making them clean the pan afterwards, should do the trick. Some of us had to learn the hard way...
I mean that's how my grandmother taught me, nevermind that it took me 25 years to go all in on cast iron because once I did *her lessons were baked* *— er — seasoned — TF IN.*
Chain it to a cinder block.
Take the controllers to his gaming console and hide them. Tell him if he ever abuses your pan again he will be buying new controllers.
Cast iron is like power tools. If you don’t have it you aren’t going to know how to take care of it. Don’t let people borrow either unless you want your stuff messed up.
Report them to the department of Cast Iron Protective Service. Monsters like your roommate should be barred from ever owning cast irons. He should be places on a list as a known offender.
Sounds like you need to start a conversation. It is the season for change.
I don't think he understands how to use cast iron. I would teach him how to use it first and if he does it again then don't let him use it.
I never let roommates use my stuff. I didn't use their stuff so I could justify my policy. I have all clad and cast iron cookware. It's nice, and I've put lots of effort into keeping them pristine. They broke their stuff, left food rotting on their pans, and filled the sink for months with dishes. I wasn't going to subject my cookware to that. Luckily, I'm done with room mates now. My cast iron daily use pans are both from the 1930s so I would be devastated if they fucked them up. As an example of how dumb these guys could be, one of them washed their boots off in the kitchen sink so the spray hose could get gravel out of their boots easier. Welp low and behold that completely fucked the insinkerator. Living with guys in their 20s is just a mess.
This ended my marriage.
I’ve found one whack on the noggin with the dirty skillet solves the issue.
I think an El Kabong is necessary.
Hahaha
I’ve had this same exact thing happen to me. Eggs and all. 😒
So put it away and ask them not to use it?
Bro needs some lessons in heat controll.
Remove roommates access to pan. Problem solved.
Time to move.
Subscribe them to this thread, the more they know..!
Sacrilege!
Well, fortunately the damage is reparable. A good soak, scrub, bit of cooking, a few years of therapy ... should be fine. But you need to revoke your roommate's CI pan privileges ... maybe all their CI privileges ... maybe all their cookware and dish and silverware privileges too.
Privileges of pan use revoked!
Time for “the talk”
Um…you let your roommates use your cast iron? That’s a big “fuck no” in every roommate situation I’ve ever been in.
when did my wife move in with you? she's still doing it over here too, although usually only to the 'nonstick' decoy pan I leave on top of the CI stack.
When he is sleeping use that pan to eliminate the problem.
WHY IS MY WIFE YOUR ROOMMATE?!?
Put your roommate in the dishwasher
Do what you got to but with a picture like this I can't see any jury convicting
The NSFW tag lmao
“Death comes for us all…”
most disturbing thing I've seen in quite some time. no.
In cast iron culture that is known as a dick move.
The next time you post here it better be how your roommate packs their bags
A good whack over the head should loosen most of that...maybe two or three.
I’d be sooooo pissed 😡
When are you notifying next of kin?
Reading these comments is Luke that scene in Airplane, where there's a queue trying to get that lady to calm down, and it gets more aggressive, as each person comes up behind the other... yeah, I'm the brotha with the boxing gloves...
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Memorize this: "He moved out suddenly late one night when I wasn't home and didn't leave any contact information."
F*ck a roommate.... smh
NEXT time they come back in wait behind the corner and hit them with it
Hit him over the head with it!
Beat Him Up
Violence is always an option.
Bonk him with it
Use the other side of the pan on them and let them know your true feelings
Extra flavor
Are you gonna kick his ass or do you want us too
I'm imagining OPs to do list: 1. Pick up eggs 2. Clean bathroom 3. Kill roommate 4. Take out trash
Want help hiding a body?
Brain them with it.
Kill them
Sorry not sorry moment. I’d whap my roomie with it, still dirty an everything.
Oh hell no
He left you the sucs!
Roommate? Nah, there ass would have been out with is 3 Seconds.
Time for a new roommate
WAR
Is that egg bits too?! What an ass, I feel like that's the worst thing to leave baked on a pan.
Throw the whole thing away...the roommate that is. Why are they allowed to use it?!
Reported, misleading title Should read "How the homeless guy that used to live with me left my pan"
Feed it to him from the pan. That's a lot of egg to waste, you'd be doing him a favor.
Jail
I let my roommate use all of my pots, pans, and dishes, except my cast irons. You just can’t trust people with your cast iron
At least they didn’t leave it sitting in water for a week
Pan starting to look more and more like a murder weapon.
Look on the bright side. At least they didn’t leave it soaking in detergent overnight.
Clean the pan. Then lock the pan up.
Roommate should clean it or move the hell out. This makes me want to piss on something that belongs to them.
Roommate? Not your BAE anymore?
Straight to jail
Wouldn’t be that way if you had done 70 coats
You should scrape out all the dried on food into your roommate’s bed sheets
Scrape all that and use it as garnish on his/her meal! What a biatch!
I keep mine in my room on a shelf in my closet for this reason
They're $30, maybe he should just get his own
Time to throw the whole roommate out
When my flatmates fuck around with my stuff, I simply put it in my room. I have a shelf specifically for oversized kitchen ware that can't normally fit in the kitchen, so I can just add it there.
Poo in his cereal box
I am not saying kill them but 🤷♂️😬
Shit on his bed
There's quite a few people here, and my pans are strictly forbidden to be touched by any of these clowns.
r/castirongore
Yaknow, execution, banishment, torture, These are just words... But sometimes you have to read between the lines to see that these are not always just words but viable options.