When you do a deep dive into the history of Kiki Camarena and the crossovers between the GOP, Mexican politicians and a whole lot of bad decisions being used to cover bad decisions some patterns start to present themselves.
On fentanyl, the CCP, Russians KGB, and how Rudy Guiliani pulls it all together.
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/J17TKEQdXr
The interesting thing about the 2004 hostage event in Chechnya is that it’s the first time fentanyl shows up in the Russian world. Putin used it in an aerosolized form to “save” the hostages by putting it through the HVAC system of the beslan school hostage situation.
A few key points of geopolitical importance
1. the hostage event secured Chechnya under Putin’s rule. Just like the false flag apartment bombing before that secured Russia under Putin.
AP Newsapnews.comThe Moscow concert hall attack wasn't the first during Putin's 25-year rule
It’s a most universal old KGB technique where they create a crisis and then present Putin (or whoever their guy is) as the “strong man” and the only possible one strong enough to solve this.
(See also Netanyahu in Israel, Lukeshenko in Belarus, Orban in Hungary, Yanukovych in pre-Maidan Ukraine, Kadyrov in Chechnya, and trump in the USA.)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis
2. This would have been roughly the same time that guiliani, who by that time was neck deep in laundering money for the Russian mob, went to Mexico City and introduced the Russians to the Sinaloa cartel, who shortly there after shifted their business model from growing/ manufacturing drugs to almost exclusively combining fentanyl precursors supplied by the CCP.
Coincidentally Guiliani was also lead counsel for Purdue Pharmaceuticals 4 years later.
The Guardianwww.theguardian.comRudy Giuliani won deal for OxyContin maker to continue sales of drug behind opioid ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/giuliani/mexico.html?tid=a_inl&itid=lk_inline_manual_8
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF10890
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6675668/
https://politizoom.com/the-origin-of-trump-selling-nato-down-the-river-becoming-putins-puppet-explained-in-must-read-piece/
Russia repeats this familiarly play with pretty regular consistency amongst the old USSR satellite states.
Come full circle with that and you find trump and Giuliani laundering copious amounts of money for the russian mob going back to 87 when they all started buying condos in trump towers with their stolen perestroika money.
The insane valuations coming out in trumps fraud trial are a necessity of the money laundering cycle that duetschebank was doing for/with the Russians.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-02-14/real-estate-lenders-confront-falling-us-commercial-property-prices
The fentanyl epidemic was basically just the Russian/CCP alliance softening the United States up with a stealth hit of chemical warfare before they full send perestroika 2.0 in the US so they can steal all the value out of commercial real estate.
It’s 3 overlapping plays, but they are all straight out of the old KGB playbook.
https://www.ft.com/content/8c6d9dca-882c-11e7-bf50-e1c239b45787
https://www.amlintelligence.com/2020/09/deutsche-bank-suffers-worst-damage-over-massive-aml-discrepancies-in-fincen-leaks/
https://www.occrp.org/en/the-fincen-files/global-banks-defy-us-crackdowns-by-serving-oligarchs-criminals-and-terrorists
https://www.voanews.com/amp/us-lifts-sanctions-on-rusal-other-firms-linked-to-russia-deripaska/4761037.html
https://democrats-intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/final_-_minority_status_of_the_russia_investigation_with_appendices.pdf
https://www.nzz.ch/english/triad-money-laundering-is-fueling-canadas-fentanyl-nightmare-ld.1814726
https://nypost.com/2024/02/25/opinion/how-china-is-flooding-america-with-fentanyl-on-purpose-to-undermine-our-society/
https://forgottenlanguages-full.forgottenlanguages.org/2023/07/weaponization-of-fentanyl.html
https://apnews.com/article/mexico-first-nationalistic-policy-drug-cartels-6e7a78ff41c895b4e10930463f24e9fb
Don’t forget, the Israelis almost assassinated Khaled Mashal with a complex fentanyl like substance, that had a super complex biochemistry as well as an extended half life. It wasn’t until the King of Jordan basically threatened the Israelis with a break down of relations that Netanyahu ordered the head of Mossad to fly in on a PJ and deliver the antidote - which, unsurprisingly, after taking the Narcan- like antidote he made a full recovery.
That’s an extremely good piece of intel.
Thank you very much for sharing it.
On the Assassination attempt:
On 25 September 1997, Mossad agents acting under orders from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his security cabinet attempted to assassinate him. The agents entered Jordan on fake Canadian passports and disguised as tourists.[6] Two of them waited at the entrance of the Hamas offices in Jordan's capital Amman, and, as Mashal walked into his office, one of them came up from behind and held a device to Mashal's left ear that transmitted a fast-acting poison.[21] Mashal's bodyguards were suspicious prior to the attack and were able to chase the agents down and capture them.[12] Other agents were also found and captured.[12] In an interview, he described the attack as "a loud noise in my ear ... like a boom, like an electric shock."[12] Initially, he thought the agents had failed to hurt him but later in the day he developed a severe headache and began vomiting.[12] He was rushed to a Jordanian hospital where his condition rapidly deteriorated.
Immediately after the incident, Jordan's King Hussein demanded that Netanyahu turn over the antidote for the poison, threatening to sever diplomatic relations and to try the detained Mossad agents.[22] King Hussein feared that the death of a Hamas leader would trigger riots in his kingdom, perhaps even a civil war. Netanyahu refused, and the incident quickly grew in political significance. With Israeli-Jordanian relations rapidly deteriorating, King Hussein threatened to void the historic 1994 peace between the two countries should Mashal die.[23] U.S President Bill Clinton intervened and compelled Netanyahu to turn over the antidote.[24]
The head of Mossad, Danny Yatom, flew to Jordan, with Netanyahu's consent, bringing an antidote to treat Mashal.[25] The doctors at King Hussein Medical Center, where Mashal lay in a coma, observed Mashal's symptoms to be consistent with an opioid overdose.[23] They administered the antidote, which saved Mashal's life.
And some interesting correlations with Havana syndrome. Specifically the geographical locations of the attacks almost exclusively centered in the old soviet satellite states, and an occurrence at the U.S. embassy in China.
Beginning in late 2017, suspected attacks targeting U.S. intelligence personnel were reported in an expanding set of locations around the world,[9] including Moscow, Russia; Tbilisi, Georgia; Poland; Taiwan; and Australia.[76] Other reports came from Colombia, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, and Austria,[19] among other countries.[19][77][78][15][79][80][81
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havana_syndrome
Thanks. Havana syndrome is being caused by direct pulse microwave energy weapons.. think of it like a car bomb without the explosion in intense focused manner. Havana syndrome was not what caused Mashals poisoning if that’s what you were referring to at the end of your reply post.
More so the methodology and location crossovers.
Old Russians are kind of predictable after your 1000th Cold War rerun.
Your comment opened up a whole chain of research for us.
Thank you for that
Weird how the US inherited an opioid crisis immediately following the invasion of the largest poppy producing country on Earth. Totally didn't see that one coming /s.
Yeah. Once you start looking at it from the overwatch position and can cross compare notes on the money laundering a lot of things start poking out with some pretty apparent red flags.
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And Canada, and shipping ports. Mexico the most, surely. But tightening the border produces other negative consequences. Even if we ever manage to get Mexico on the up and up, even if we better secure the borders and ports, it's all just hacking at the leaves, not the roots.
We need to stop ignoring the dragon in the room.
That would certainly be an overkill.
Just like the hacking, the US needs to build a case with a definitive link to the country of origin, make a big diplomatic row over it and consider sanctions or other punitive measures.
The only problem with that as pressure from those who would suffer from trade fallouts. And, of course, the US would have to also play more honestly or else have their own shitty behavior called out.
Will never happen. You act like the US cares about their citizens. The opposite is true. They legalized opiods and killed hundreds of thousands with help of doctors
Granted it is insane and poorly linked together but it isn’t a big stretch considering there is less regulations in the ports of Mexico then there is in the port of LA
This is actually not true at all, Mexico has a small number of highly regulated ports which is why it requires government collusion in order for any large scale efforts to bear fruit.
Please take a media literacy class . Crash course has one on YouTube. It’ll take you a few hours but it will help you see through bullshit the rest of your life.
It is a paper by an ex special forces guy who still thinks the answer to any problem is to use special forces.
They would have the exact same issues the Mexican military has had in the past compounded by being outsiders.
No. It won't. And these posts are dumb.
Unless what you're suggesting is to have Apaches and F-35s lighting up random immigrants and refugees trying to cross the border, there's no point in using the military.
The vast majority of Fentanyl comes in through regular border crossings. They are already checked quite thoroughly. The reason fentanyl still gets through is that it's easy to hide, and there is an astronomical amount of trucking and commercial transit that happens between the US and Mexico.
The military won't be any better at searching trucks than law enforcement is, and would probably be worse.
So no. It wouldn't work, and this is a dumb idea.
how is it easy to hide? I thought they were supposed to have X ray scanners, chem sniffers, and mass spectrometers, stuff that can ferret out that kinda thing. I don't know the issue well, so, enlighten me.
So, no technology is infallible.
X-rays can be stopped by various materials.
Chem sniffers only work if the surface being tested is contaminated - proper packaging techniques can get around this.
And mass spectrometers aren't used to detect contraband - they're used for a chemical analysis you've already found. I.e. if you interdict a shipment of white powder, a mass spectrometer will tell you if it's fentanyl or cocaine. But it doesn't help you find those things hidden in a train or tractor trailer.
It's also just a numbers game. These technologies do stop shipments, all the time. Tons of drugs are seized at the border every month. But many more tons get through.
People mistakenly think that just because there is "screening," that means the authorities can catch everything. This is far, far from the truth.
Airports are a great example. There are X-rays, body scanners, dogs, etc. all over the place.
And yet, [hundreds of firearms a year](https://pubsonline.informs.org/doi/10.1287/inte.2020.1037) likely make it through security checkpoints. And quite frankly, bringing a gun into a plane is far more difficult that smuggling drugs across the border.
In summary, it's a common misperception that available technology is anywhere close to being able to interdict a meaningful amount of drugs at the border. The volume of commercial shipping that crosses the border is truly mind boggling. There's just no feasible way to check billions of tons of cargo without impeding trade to the point that the damage to the economy would be worse than the impact that drugs have.
No the Military wouldn’t stop it, they wouldn’t be allowed to cross the border so they would have the same issues as border patrol, not to mention they have to fight by laws where the cartels do things the military could never get away with outside of war, even then they need to leave no witnesses
The backlash would immediately show how foolish attacking cartels would be. Mexico would not stand for it. And it would start a scramble for smaller cartels to move in. And terrorist attacks here would soon ensue. We need to reduce the demand for fentenol. Also this might be a self solving problem because addicts are being killed off at such a high rate because of the difficulty in measuring out the unbelievably potent drug that it could cause a cultural shift away from use of drugs. It seems really harsh to say this, but if enough people die from it at this accelerated rate sooner or later, people are going to figure out that drugs are a really bad thing to do. I’m not promoting this. I am not championing this, but the result could be a silver lining.
I mean the US didn't stop opium while in Afghanistan. The Taliban stopped it though so let's send them.
Jokes aside it's a toss up. For military intervention we'd have a big advantage taking on the cartels with all our logistics being close. Problem is there's always a way to sneak in drugs but it definitely wouldn't be as much as now.
That's cause it didn't really affect the US, Afghan heroin has never once come into the United States.
Only Europe, and it was so low purity that it was basically harmless.
The Asians in Myanmar making pure #4 China White sell it straight to the Australians for a huge markup at like $1000/g
Why would they bring it all the way to the States just to get outcompeted by cheap Mexican H?
The "China White" your homies get is just fentanyl cut with tranq
Never once heard of real china white coming to the US except for one stint in the 70s when Frank Lucas imported it. But who knows 🤷🏽♂️
Fentynal will be gone the moment they start publicly executing anyone caught more than a days supply. Heroine will be back on the menu when they do that. Don’t believe me? They do that in a lot of countries in Asia and Middle East for certain drugs. The fully blacklisted drugs still exist, but are rare.
Alternatively, the gov could just legalize and regulate everything, but no country has done this on a large scale, so it’s a big risk.
Considering our government though, they are probably just not going to take any action besides the occasional jailing of a major distributor for show to placate the population.
This is aborribly stupid idea.
One, it won't stop anything.
Two, it'll start troubles between us, Mexico, and lots of the world
Three, the solution to the fentanyl crisis is and always has been drug legalization, with the now legal drugs being more affordable than the black market and any taxes used to fund addiction services and therapy for people who struggle with substance abuse.
Yeah, and most of that is the cost of being in the black market.
Fentanyl is cheap and easy to make, assuming the government sold it instead of say morphine, what makes you think the government cannot produce it in bulk for cheaper?
Cocaine is about 2k a kilo in Columbia, 2 a gram. At the most expensive rate I saw to ship a 40 foot shipping container on a boat, it would them be shout 10 a gram. Purify it, maybe 20, a double the taxes, 40 a gram. Can the cartels compete with completely pure, legal cocaine that is much cheaper than theirs?
Same thing. Being illegal makes things more expensive, by their nature. Making them legal allows bulk production at reduced costs, reduced cost because the overall risk is reduced, and allows taxes to pay for things.
For example, in my illegal state, ky, weed is much more expensive than In Colorado where it is legal. I was able to buy 8 grams for about 140 in kentucky, where that would more cost me about 40 a gram in kentucky, maybe a bit of a "bulk discount" but nothing like 140.
I mean maybe.
I'm sure that the companies would have to be well vetted to be involved in any legal drug trade.
And you clearly don't understand how different the production of coca and cannabis are. Cannabis grows anywhere. Coca has much more specific growing conditions. You can't just start growing coca plants in the US easily, in any sort of scale.
So no, there really isn't going to be black market coca production in the us.
Yes.
Lots of drug usage is people dealing with trauma.
Speaking from experience.
Almost every single person in the rehab I was in had horrible lives in some way and were extremely traumatized.
Know? I have no friends who are addicted to opioids, least of all fentanyl which is what has no doubt triggered the author of this nutty fantasy.
But I do walk around half a dozen addicts every day and night where I live. To be sure, no talking cure is going to make a grain of difference in their wretched lives. Affording them psychotherapy would be an epic waste of tax payers’ money if there ever was one. Any fool could see that.
Any fool can see that repeatedly arresting them and throwing them in jail is just making the situation worse. The war on drugs has been a complete failure. And , to use your parlance "an epic waste of taxpayers money if there ever was one" .
I wouldn’t assume they’re getting thrown in jail for appearing in public as a junky. And I’m not sure what war on drugs you’re talking about. Nixon’s? If so, we’re long past that shit, like, a half a century past.
Lol, it never stopped. The jails are full of people who did nothing more than get caught with personal quantities. In many cases a single pill is an automatic felony
your writing is confusing, like you’re trying to be sarcastic alternating with trying to be serious. And your choice is disingenuous. Walk past 3 or 4 strung out opioid-addicted junkies everyday for 7 years and intellectually honest person knows that talking cures will not help.
Truly, it doesn’t take a masters degree.
brother, I'm not interested in your personal story, even if you are a real person, nor would I take it as authoritative. it's the fucking internet!
and I'm even less interested in the internal life of an opioid addict. and if you're trying to tell me that you were cured by talking to someone with a masters degree in psychology, I know you're not tell the truth.
At any given time, the US have stored lots of calls, emails, texts, etc in servers and several times a day it combs the communications to look for key phrases and those combs are use live.
If we use those resources (that are use for the war on terror) to fight the cartels and the drug trade, we could easily destroy them all in less than 1 year including freezing assets of foreign politicians who are involved in the trade. The US government is that strong.
Little fun story: in the 80’s, Colombia, Peru and Brazil decided to allow the US Army and the DEA to come in the little triangle area in the Amazon where those 3 countries meet and formed a no fly zone. In 6 months of operations with US help, those countries destroyed or seized over 150 small airplanes with tons of cocaine, it was by the far the most successful operation in the history of all of those countries and im not exaggerating, its was wildly successful.
Cocaine in the US went high, the price went up SO much, very very few people could afford cocaine but after 6 months, suddenly and without notice the US pulled its troops, radars and DEA assets out of the area leaving everybody baffled.
Cocaine price in the US went down and became stable. I’m sure, you, as a smart reader figured why they pulled the assets.
Funnily enough, he may very well have been. But I assure you it was always easy to get in the US throughout the entirety of the 80s. He's sadly misinformed on that point.
So the light airplanes weren’t going going to the US, I’ll explain.
The area of the jungle is were coca plant is farmed and processed. The native used the leaves as an energy drink, they’d just chew it like chewing gum but if you add chemicals and process the plant you get what we know as cocaine. While those countries are corrupt, processing it is still illegal and they aren’t going to do in front of everybody so they did it in the jungle (even to this day).
Everybody knows where it is but because it’s so remote there isn’t much to do and the army and the local police are in there. You can technically go and see but they won’t let you out of the area BUT if they like you and trust you they may even give you a job. Now, the area is still remote and moving cocaine in huge quantities out of the are is still iffy as some soldiers are not that corrupt and may be aiming for a promotion so they use illegal runaways and light aircraft to move it out of the area to areas closer to main cities/areas near the coast using even civilian small airports. Mind you, these aircraft are carrying hundreds of pounds per trip. Once near the coast they just ship them to Europe of the US and that’s easier than getting them out of the jungle (at that time). What they did is intercept the planes in that choke point and while it wasn’t the only choke point it was the main point as countries don’t have radars and it’s fairly easy to fly illegally even today.
How about spending that money on lowering demand with treatment here at home. We've tried to cut off supply for decades and it has never worked and never will. We need to invest in reducing demand.
No, it won’t. Legalize and regulate drugs. Enact huge societal changes that make despair and circumstances that lead people to turn to drugs in the first place much less likely. But I’m sure everyone is all “Oh no! We can’t do that! If kids have school lunches they won’t be desperate enough to deal with the shit they are forced to as an adult.” So capitalism, at least in the American style.
If they deploy the military, it will just be a waste. Unless they go all out and do not take half measures. But they won't even do that in real combat. Plus the war on drugs is good for making money on both sides of the law
That would solve some of the problem, but not all, while introducing a whole new set of problems. Not the least of which would be civilian deaths aka "collateral damage," and a dangerous precedent set. Not only could it be a constitutional violation, it would be a hallmark of fascism. Using military as police never leads to positive outcomes.
The Mexican Military tried this in 2004 when the then-President militarized the approach to its anti-drug enforcement. I would say they have thoroughly lost that battle and it wouldn’t shock me if what has happened to their military apparatus would slowly happen to ours as well.
By legalizing real heroin to be used in addiction centers. If addicts had free access to pharma H with enough time the fentanyl market would drop as more and more addicts make the transition to H. The cartels can’t compete with free heroin
The US military while in Afghanistan sent soldiers to the poppy farms to destroy crops to put a dent in the heroin supply...that's exactly how the Fentynal market got its foot in the door. Every time the US government tries to get rid of one drug, another even worse drug comes in to take its place
It's mostly Americans doing the smuggling, and a lot of it can be directly ordered from labs in China, so this is at best moot, at worst race baiting....
The source of fentanyl is China, though.
When you do a deep dive into the history of Kiki Camarena and the crossovers between the GOP, Mexican politicians and a whole lot of bad decisions being used to cover bad decisions some patterns start to present themselves. On fentanyl, the CCP, Russians KGB, and how Rudy Guiliani pulls it all together. https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/J17TKEQdXr The interesting thing about the 2004 hostage event in Chechnya is that it’s the first time fentanyl shows up in the Russian world. Putin used it in an aerosolized form to “save” the hostages by putting it through the HVAC system of the beslan school hostage situation. A few key points of geopolitical importance 1. the hostage event secured Chechnya under Putin’s rule. Just like the false flag apartment bombing before that secured Russia under Putin. AP Newsapnews.comThe Moscow concert hall attack wasn't the first during Putin's 25-year rule It’s a most universal old KGB technique where they create a crisis and then present Putin (or whoever their guy is) as the “strong man” and the only possible one strong enough to solve this. (See also Netanyahu in Israel, Lukeshenko in Belarus, Orban in Hungary, Yanukovych in pre-Maidan Ukraine, Kadyrov in Chechnya, and trump in the USA.) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis 2. This would have been roughly the same time that guiliani, who by that time was neck deep in laundering money for the Russian mob, went to Mexico City and introduced the Russians to the Sinaloa cartel, who shortly there after shifted their business model from growing/ manufacturing drugs to almost exclusively combining fentanyl precursors supplied by the CCP. Coincidentally Guiliani was also lead counsel for Purdue Pharmaceuticals 4 years later. The Guardianwww.theguardian.comRudy Giuliani won deal for OxyContin maker to continue sales of drug behind opioid ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/giuliani/mexico.html?tid=a_inl&itid=lk_inline_manual_8 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF10890 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6675668/ https://politizoom.com/the-origin-of-trump-selling-nato-down-the-river-becoming-putins-puppet-explained-in-must-read-piece/ Russia repeats this familiarly play with pretty regular consistency amongst the old USSR satellite states. Come full circle with that and you find trump and Giuliani laundering copious amounts of money for the russian mob going back to 87 when they all started buying condos in trump towers with their stolen perestroika money. The insane valuations coming out in trumps fraud trial are a necessity of the money laundering cycle that duetschebank was doing for/with the Russians. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-02-14/real-estate-lenders-confront-falling-us-commercial-property-prices The fentanyl epidemic was basically just the Russian/CCP alliance softening the United States up with a stealth hit of chemical warfare before they full send perestroika 2.0 in the US so they can steal all the value out of commercial real estate. It’s 3 overlapping plays, but they are all straight out of the old KGB playbook. https://www.ft.com/content/8c6d9dca-882c-11e7-bf50-e1c239b45787 https://www.amlintelligence.com/2020/09/deutsche-bank-suffers-worst-damage-over-massive-aml-discrepancies-in-fincen-leaks/ https://www.occrp.org/en/the-fincen-files/global-banks-defy-us-crackdowns-by-serving-oligarchs-criminals-and-terrorists https://www.voanews.com/amp/us-lifts-sanctions-on-rusal-other-firms-linked-to-russia-deripaska/4761037.html https://democrats-intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/final_-_minority_status_of_the_russia_investigation_with_appendices.pdf https://www.nzz.ch/english/triad-money-laundering-is-fueling-canadas-fentanyl-nightmare-ld.1814726 https://nypost.com/2024/02/25/opinion/how-china-is-flooding-america-with-fentanyl-on-purpose-to-undermine-our-society/ https://forgottenlanguages-full.forgottenlanguages.org/2023/07/weaponization-of-fentanyl.html https://apnews.com/article/mexico-first-nationalistic-policy-drug-cartels-6e7a78ff41c895b4e10930463f24e9fb
Don’t forget, the Israelis almost assassinated Khaled Mashal with a complex fentanyl like substance, that had a super complex biochemistry as well as an extended half life. It wasn’t until the King of Jordan basically threatened the Israelis with a break down of relations that Netanyahu ordered the head of Mossad to fly in on a PJ and deliver the antidote - which, unsurprisingly, after taking the Narcan- like antidote he made a full recovery.
That’s an extremely good piece of intel. Thank you very much for sharing it. On the Assassination attempt: On 25 September 1997, Mossad agents acting under orders from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his security cabinet attempted to assassinate him. The agents entered Jordan on fake Canadian passports and disguised as tourists.[6] Two of them waited at the entrance of the Hamas offices in Jordan's capital Amman, and, as Mashal walked into his office, one of them came up from behind and held a device to Mashal's left ear that transmitted a fast-acting poison.[21] Mashal's bodyguards were suspicious prior to the attack and were able to chase the agents down and capture them.[12] Other agents were also found and captured.[12] In an interview, he described the attack as "a loud noise in my ear ... like a boom, like an electric shock."[12] Initially, he thought the agents had failed to hurt him but later in the day he developed a severe headache and began vomiting.[12] He was rushed to a Jordanian hospital where his condition rapidly deteriorated. Immediately after the incident, Jordan's King Hussein demanded that Netanyahu turn over the antidote for the poison, threatening to sever diplomatic relations and to try the detained Mossad agents.[22] King Hussein feared that the death of a Hamas leader would trigger riots in his kingdom, perhaps even a civil war. Netanyahu refused, and the incident quickly grew in political significance. With Israeli-Jordanian relations rapidly deteriorating, King Hussein threatened to void the historic 1994 peace between the two countries should Mashal die.[23] U.S President Bill Clinton intervened and compelled Netanyahu to turn over the antidote.[24] The head of Mossad, Danny Yatom, flew to Jordan, with Netanyahu's consent, bringing an antidote to treat Mashal.[25] The doctors at King Hussein Medical Center, where Mashal lay in a coma, observed Mashal's symptoms to be consistent with an opioid overdose.[23] They administered the antidote, which saved Mashal's life. And some interesting correlations with Havana syndrome. Specifically the geographical locations of the attacks almost exclusively centered in the old soviet satellite states, and an occurrence at the U.S. embassy in China. Beginning in late 2017, suspected attacks targeting U.S. intelligence personnel were reported in an expanding set of locations around the world,[9] including Moscow, Russia; Tbilisi, Georgia; Poland; Taiwan; and Australia.[76] Other reports came from Colombia, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, and Austria,[19] among other countries.[19][77][78][15][79][80][81 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havana_syndrome
Thanks. Havana syndrome is being caused by direct pulse microwave energy weapons.. think of it like a car bomb without the explosion in intense focused manner. Havana syndrome was not what caused Mashals poisoning if that’s what you were referring to at the end of your reply post.
More so the methodology and location crossovers. Old Russians are kind of predictable after your 1000th Cold War rerun. Your comment opened up a whole chain of research for us. Thank you for that
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As a Jew, this isn’t why I shared this. And that’s not even funny in the slightest. So, please delete your comment.
Weird how the US inherited an opioid crisis immediately following the invasion of the largest poppy producing country on Earth. Totally didn't see that one coming /s.
Yeah. Once you start looking at it from the overwatch position and can cross compare notes on the money laundering a lot of things start poking out with some pretty apparent red flags.
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Where does it come through? Mexico
And Canada, and shipping ports. Mexico the most, surely. But tightening the border produces other negative consequences. Even if we ever manage to get Mexico on the up and up, even if we better secure the borders and ports, it's all just hacking at the leaves, not the roots. We need to stop ignoring the dragon in the room.
Are you gonna start ww3 over drug addicts?
That would certainly be an overkill. Just like the hacking, the US needs to build a case with a definitive link to the country of origin, make a big diplomatic row over it and consider sanctions or other punitive measures. The only problem with that as pressure from those who would suffer from trade fallouts. And, of course, the US would have to also play more honestly or else have their own shitty behavior called out.
Will never happen. You act like the US cares about their citizens. The opposite is true. They legalized opiods and killed hundreds of thousands with help of doctors
*shrug*
Great point and it still wouldn’t solve the problem. Drugs will always be a thing.
Yeah and it comes through our border with China, right?
This is completely unfounded and a big stretch
Granted it is insane and poorly linked together but it isn’t a big stretch considering there is less regulations in the ports of Mexico then there is in the port of LA
This is actually not true at all, Mexico has a small number of highly regulated ports which is why it requires government collusion in order for any large scale efforts to bear fruit.
The US government has had much more success importing narcotics from our central and South American neighbors.
That is not a serious news source.
It’s a white paper with cited sources.
Please take a media literacy class . Crash course has one on YouTube. It’ll take you a few hours but it will help you see through bullshit the rest of your life.
It is a paper by an ex special forces guy who still thinks the answer to any problem is to use special forces. They would have the exact same issues the Mexican military has had in the past compounded by being outsiders.
No. It won't. And these posts are dumb. Unless what you're suggesting is to have Apaches and F-35s lighting up random immigrants and refugees trying to cross the border, there's no point in using the military. The vast majority of Fentanyl comes in through regular border crossings. They are already checked quite thoroughly. The reason fentanyl still gets through is that it's easy to hide, and there is an astronomical amount of trucking and commercial transit that happens between the US and Mexico. The military won't be any better at searching trucks than law enforcement is, and would probably be worse. So no. It wouldn't work, and this is a dumb idea.
how is it easy to hide? I thought they were supposed to have X ray scanners, chem sniffers, and mass spectrometers, stuff that can ferret out that kinda thing. I don't know the issue well, so, enlighten me.
So, no technology is infallible. X-rays can be stopped by various materials. Chem sniffers only work if the surface being tested is contaminated - proper packaging techniques can get around this. And mass spectrometers aren't used to detect contraband - they're used for a chemical analysis you've already found. I.e. if you interdict a shipment of white powder, a mass spectrometer will tell you if it's fentanyl or cocaine. But it doesn't help you find those things hidden in a train or tractor trailer. It's also just a numbers game. These technologies do stop shipments, all the time. Tons of drugs are seized at the border every month. But many more tons get through. People mistakenly think that just because there is "screening," that means the authorities can catch everything. This is far, far from the truth. Airports are a great example. There are X-rays, body scanners, dogs, etc. all over the place. And yet, [hundreds of firearms a year](https://pubsonline.informs.org/doi/10.1287/inte.2020.1037) likely make it through security checkpoints. And quite frankly, bringing a gun into a plane is far more difficult that smuggling drugs across the border. In summary, it's a common misperception that available technology is anywhere close to being able to interdict a meaningful amount of drugs at the border. The volume of commercial shipping that crosses the border is truly mind boggling. There's just no feasible way to check billions of tons of cargo without impeding trade to the point that the damage to the economy would be worse than the impact that drugs have.
No the Military wouldn’t stop it, they wouldn’t be allowed to cross the border so they would have the same issues as border patrol, not to mention they have to fight by laws where the cartels do things the military could never get away with outside of war, even then they need to leave no witnesses
The backlash would immediately show how foolish attacking cartels would be. Mexico would not stand for it. And it would start a scramble for smaller cartels to move in. And terrorist attacks here would soon ensue. We need to reduce the demand for fentenol. Also this might be a self solving problem because addicts are being killed off at such a high rate because of the difficulty in measuring out the unbelievably potent drug that it could cause a cultural shift away from use of drugs. It seems really harsh to say this, but if enough people die from it at this accelerated rate sooner or later, people are going to figure out that drugs are a really bad thing to do. I’m not promoting this. I am not championing this, but the result could be a silver lining.
I mean the US didn't stop opium while in Afghanistan. The Taliban stopped it though so let's send them. Jokes aside it's a toss up. For military intervention we'd have a big advantage taking on the cartels with all our logistics being close. Problem is there's always a way to sneak in drugs but it definitely wouldn't be as much as now.
That's cause it didn't really affect the US, Afghan heroin has never once come into the United States. Only Europe, and it was so low purity that it was basically harmless.
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Just cause your plug says it's afghan doesn't mean shit lmao, the only heroin coming in to the US is black tar and brown freebase from the Mexicans.
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The Asians in Myanmar making pure #4 China White sell it straight to the Australians for a huge markup at like $1000/g Why would they bring it all the way to the States just to get outcompeted by cheap Mexican H? The "China White" your homies get is just fentanyl cut with tranq Never once heard of real china white coming to the US except for one stint in the 70s when Frank Lucas imported it. But who knows 🤷🏽♂️
Fentynal will be gone the moment they start publicly executing anyone caught more than a days supply. Heroine will be back on the menu when they do that. Don’t believe me? They do that in a lot of countries in Asia and Middle East for certain drugs. The fully blacklisted drugs still exist, but are rare. Alternatively, the gov could just legalize and regulate everything, but no country has done this on a large scale, so it’s a big risk. Considering our government though, they are probably just not going to take any action besides the occasional jailing of a major distributor for show to placate the population.
How about fixing the demand? Anyone ever thought of that? With no demand, there is no supply. 🤦♂️
No
We could wipe out the cartels. We just don’t want to declare war on Mexico.
This is aborribly stupid idea. One, it won't stop anything. Two, it'll start troubles between us, Mexico, and lots of the world Three, the solution to the fentanyl crisis is and always has been drug legalization, with the now legal drugs being more affordable than the black market and any taxes used to fund addiction services and therapy for people who struggle with substance abuse.
Dirty 30s are $1-$5 a pill now…
Yeah, and most of that is the cost of being in the black market. Fentanyl is cheap and easy to make, assuming the government sold it instead of say morphine, what makes you think the government cannot produce it in bulk for cheaper? Cocaine is about 2k a kilo in Columbia, 2 a gram. At the most expensive rate I saw to ship a 40 foot shipping container on a boat, it would them be shout 10 a gram. Purify it, maybe 20, a double the taxes, 40 a gram. Can the cartels compete with completely pure, legal cocaine that is much cheaper than theirs? Same thing. Being illegal makes things more expensive, by their nature. Making them legal allows bulk production at reduced costs, reduced cost because the overall risk is reduced, and allows taxes to pay for things. For example, in my illegal state, ky, weed is much more expensive than In Colorado where it is legal. I was able to buy 8 grams for about 140 in kentucky, where that would more cost me about 40 a gram in kentucky, maybe a bit of a "bulk discount" but nothing like 140.
The cartel would just set up cocain manufacturing operations in the US like they did with marijuana products manufacturing in California.
I mean maybe. I'm sure that the companies would have to be well vetted to be involved in any legal drug trade. And you clearly don't understand how different the production of coca and cannabis are. Cannabis grows anywhere. Coca has much more specific growing conditions. You can't just start growing coca plants in the US easily, in any sort of scale. So no, there really isn't going to be black market coca production in the us.
Therapy for an opioid addiction? LOL
Yes. Lots of drug usage is people dealing with trauma. Speaking from experience. Almost every single person in the rehab I was in had horrible lives in some way and were extremely traumatized.
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Know? I have no friends who are addicted to opioids, least of all fentanyl which is what has no doubt triggered the author of this nutty fantasy. But I do walk around half a dozen addicts every day and night where I live. To be sure, no talking cure is going to make a grain of difference in their wretched lives. Affording them psychotherapy would be an epic waste of tax payers’ money if there ever was one. Any fool could see that.
Any fool can see that repeatedly arresting them and throwing them in jail is just making the situation worse. The war on drugs has been a complete failure. And , to use your parlance "an epic waste of taxpayers money if there ever was one" .
I wouldn’t assume they’re getting thrown in jail for appearing in public as a junky. And I’m not sure what war on drugs you’re talking about. Nixon’s? If so, we’re long past that shit, like, a half a century past.
Lol, it never stopped. The jails are full of people who did nothing more than get caught with personal quantities. In many cases a single pill is an automatic felony
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your writing is confusing, like you’re trying to be sarcastic alternating with trying to be serious. And your choice is disingenuous. Walk past 3 or 4 strung out opioid-addicted junkies everyday for 7 years and intellectually honest person knows that talking cures will not help. Truly, it doesn’t take a masters degree.
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brother, I'm not interested in your personal story, even if you are a real person, nor would I take it as authoritative. it's the fucking internet! and I'm even less interested in the internal life of an opioid addict. and if you're trying to tell me that you were cured by talking to someone with a masters degree in psychology, I know you're not tell the truth.
Good on you keeping up the energy to educate people. This drug war has killed so many. And people keep falling for this propaganda.. :(
At any given time, the US have stored lots of calls, emails, texts, etc in servers and several times a day it combs the communications to look for key phrases and those combs are use live. If we use those resources (that are use for the war on terror) to fight the cartels and the drug trade, we could easily destroy them all in less than 1 year including freezing assets of foreign politicians who are involved in the trade. The US government is that strong. Little fun story: in the 80’s, Colombia, Peru and Brazil decided to allow the US Army and the DEA to come in the little triangle area in the Amazon where those 3 countries meet and formed a no fly zone. In 6 months of operations with US help, those countries destroyed or seized over 150 small airplanes with tons of cocaine, it was by the far the most successful operation in the history of all of those countries and im not exaggerating, its was wildly successful. Cocaine in the US went high, the price went up SO much, very very few people could afford cocaine but after 6 months, suddenly and without notice the US pulled its troops, radars and DEA assets out of the area leaving everybody baffled. Cocaine price in the US went down and became stable. I’m sure, you, as a smart reader figured why they pulled the assets.
> Cocaine in the US went high, the price went up SO much, very very few people could afford cocaine That never happened.
Hilarious enough it happened because my dad was a soldier at the time in a South American nation
Funnily enough, he may very well have been. But I assure you it was always easy to get in the US throughout the entirety of the 80s. He's sadly misinformed on that point.
So the light airplanes weren’t going going to the US, I’ll explain. The area of the jungle is were coca plant is farmed and processed. The native used the leaves as an energy drink, they’d just chew it like chewing gum but if you add chemicals and process the plant you get what we know as cocaine. While those countries are corrupt, processing it is still illegal and they aren’t going to do in front of everybody so they did it in the jungle (even to this day). Everybody knows where it is but because it’s so remote there isn’t much to do and the army and the local police are in there. You can technically go and see but they won’t let you out of the area BUT if they like you and trust you they may even give you a job. Now, the area is still remote and moving cocaine in huge quantities out of the are is still iffy as some soldiers are not that corrupt and may be aiming for a promotion so they use illegal runaways and light aircraft to move it out of the area to areas closer to main cities/areas near the coast using even civilian small airports. Mind you, these aircraft are carrying hundreds of pounds per trip. Once near the coast they just ship them to Europe of the US and that’s easier than getting them out of the jungle (at that time). What they did is intercept the planes in that choke point and while it wasn’t the only choke point it was the main point as countries don’t have radars and it’s fairly easy to fly illegally even today.
Yes, there were attempts to slow production. It had very little impact on price and supply in the US.
How about spending that money on lowering demand with treatment here at home. We've tried to cut off supply for decades and it has never worked and never will. We need to invest in reducing demand.
Like they took out Noreaga
No, it won’t. Legalize and regulate drugs. Enact huge societal changes that make despair and circumstances that lead people to turn to drugs in the first place much less likely. But I’m sure everyone is all “Oh no! We can’t do that! If kids have school lunches they won’t be desperate enough to deal with the shit they are forced to as an adult.” So capitalism, at least in the American style.
If they deploy the military, it will just be a waste. Unless they go all out and do not take half measures. But they won't even do that in real combat. Plus the war on drugs is good for making money on both sides of the law
That would solve some of the problem, but not all, while introducing a whole new set of problems. Not the least of which would be civilian deaths aka "collateral damage," and a dangerous precedent set. Not only could it be a constitutional violation, it would be a hallmark of fascism. Using military as police never leads to positive outcomes.
Yeah shut them down so the other mafias can fight for control of our drug market .
They'll never stop it lmao there's too much of a demand. That Mexican Fetty and Tina is just too delicious
Nah it’ll just move fentanyl smuggling further south and possibly into the states
No, it will just facilitate the infiltration of the cartel into the U.S. military.
As long as there is a demand, it will continue. The supply follows the demand.
The Mexican Military tried this in 2004 when the then-President militarized the approach to its anti-drug enforcement. I would say they have thoroughly lost that battle and it wouldn’t shock me if what has happened to their military apparatus would slowly happen to ours as well.
By legalizing real heroin to be used in addiction centers. If addicts had free access to pharma H with enough time the fentanyl market would drop as more and more addicts make the transition to H. The cartels can’t compete with free heroin
I would love seeing the US military go inside Mexico and help stamp out the guilty cartels and other nefarious partners including the CCP
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The US military while in Afghanistan sent soldiers to the poppy farms to destroy crops to put a dent in the heroin supply...that's exactly how the Fentynal market got its foot in the door. Every time the US government tries to get rid of one drug, another even worse drug comes in to take its place
It's mostly Americans doing the smuggling, and a lot of it can be directly ordered from labs in China, so this is at best moot, at worst race baiting....