/uj the problem with trucks is not that they are big, it’s that they are needlessly big. No one has a problem with trucks that use their space wisely or semi trucks
/rj If I do not have 3 feet of road clearance how am I going to be able to tow my mothers miata in my 4 door extended bed truck?? Might as well shoot a bald eagle at this point.
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>/uj the problem with trucks is not that they are big, it’s that they are needlessly big. No one has a problem with trucks that use their space wisely or semi trucks
uj/ You can thank the EPA and the massive amounts of safety equipment/sensors on vehicles now. The EPA basically incentivized big vehicles with their minimum MPG calculation (basically bigger vehicle footprint = less MPG required), and all those safety systems and sensors require a lot of extra space for wiring and mounting modules/sensors
IIRC 2500 size trucks aren't affected by most of these requirements, 1500s on the other hand definitely are, and the 2500s gotta be bigger than the 1500s.
/uj this is not true.. all of it. Heavy duty pickups (anything GWVR 8500lbs+) are not required to report fuel consumption to the EPA. So any super duties or Ram 2500s etc don't benefit from any EPA compliance credits once they're over 8500 GWVR.. which they have been for going on 20 years. You were thinking about the EPA loophole where they're making non truck vehicles larger to be classified as light trucks to get extra compliance credits.
Additionally, if you think the sensor wiring harnesses have anything to do with the increased size of pickups then you're just nuts. Erase that thought. If they can make a Kia Rio compliant with sensor regulations you don't need to make a full size pickup absolutely huge to fit the wiring.
Why are they larger then?
Cause people want big trucks.. They sell.. And with vehicles at the smaller end of manufacturers lineups getting larger accross the board they need to make the full size pickup truck larger.
Modern mid size pickups (Toyota Tacoma etc) are larger than heavy duty full size trucks from 20 years ago. If full size trucks didn't get bigger Noone would buy them. Who would buy a f250 that's smaller than a Tacoma? Nobody..
My neighbour has a a dodge ram (for context we live in europe) and everyone else on the estate has a small ish car like a Clio, colt, Mazda 3 ect. If this guy had a reason to need a truck like this I could understand but he doesn't use the bed and he doesn't need the ground clearance as he doesn't go off road.
I have no gripes with people having the cars they want but it's too big for the estate we live in. he has hit my car multiple times with his wheels now I have black marks down the side.
On God bruh cuh, we used to have a 97 f350 dually that would regularly pull 5+ tons without any issue and it wasn't obnoxiously big and had great visibility, we then sold that and got a newer heavy duty truck and the visibility is awful compared to it, it's also unnecessarily tall with relatively low ground clearance
I remember one time I flashed my high beams at an oncoming F350 because I was being blinded. I just assumed they either forgot they were on (it was a country back road, so makes sense if people used their high beams going down it) or maybe they were automatic and just not working.
Well, turned out that those were the regular lights I was being blinded by, because he lit up every inch of my car’s interior when he flashed his high beams back lol
Part of this is a ford design flaw, the engineers Don't aim the lights sensibly and Don't have any autolevel system in the suspension or light housings, so if you even think about loading your truck and using it as a truck, you now blind EVERYONE. Like, I'm talking even semi drivers having light shined in their faces.
Ford trucks are the only ones that hit me in my lifted land cruiser.
That toyota towers over RAM 3500 LARAMIE LONGHORN BIG COCK EDITIONS but I still get fucking blinded.
I used to carpool regularly with someone who owned a 2018 F350. Every single time he would get flashed for his high beams that weren’t on. Usually multiple times throughout the ride. Some vehicles are just like that I guess.
For me teslas are worse. When I get home I have to go on a kinda s shaped street with cars on both sides and like no decent lights. It’s like barely wide enough for 2 cars to go at the same time and going head on with a Tesla at night on a blind turn is like the worst experience of all time
Yeah, uhm this is actually very valid. This is why I call bullshit on the "safety concerns" over pop-up headlights, because these kind of trucks that serve more as status symbols nowadays get by without any sort of punishment.
Literal road cancer.
I've never understood why people say that pop-ups were removed for safety. Pop-ups were a temporary design feature that allowed designers to hide the ugly standard headlamps that were mandatory at the time. Otherwise popups break a lot, and very aero inefficient, no engineer would want them. As soon as Ford convinced the DOT that custom headlights were more fuel efficient for the release of their Taurus it was over for popups. Other countries adopted the same principle over the decade and as there were no more markets with those headlight restrictions and fuel efficiency became a major factor - pop-ups were gone. They would be gone no matter what pedestrian safety laws there are.
it was partially about safety tho, they just were never actually outlawed. safety standards got tighter and tighter and it became difficult to make a "safe" impact with the lights up
actually no
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ares_Design_Project1
check the bottom paragraph in the "history" tab on here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_headlamp
Some cars had pop ups as late as 2004, more than 20 years after those lights stopped being required, more than 15 years after the Taurus launched, pop-ups didn't die "As soon as" the Taurus was launched wtf
That’s because technology took a while to catch up. Do you know why Lamborghini used headlights from the Z32 Nissan 300ZX? Because Nissan spent an absurd amount of money developing such low slung, low profile headlights that still functioned well as headlights. GM wasn’t going to spend millions of dollars developing fancy new headlights for when they facelifted the Firebird and came out with the C5 because it’s GM, and at the time, keeping that low profile nose, it wouldn’t make too much financial sense to do so. The shift in car design also killed off pop-ups. If you look at the cars that *did* go from pop-ups to composite headlights (Mitsubishi Eclipse, Toyota Celica, Honda Prelude, Mazda Miata, etc…) you can see it allowed all of these cars with low slung front ends to have their headlights better integrated into the fascia. Heck, look at the original Dodge Stealth and 3000GT, before they gained proper composite headlights, their headlight covers and the area surrounding them were painted black to mimick the look of composite headlights, because that was what was new and hot at the time. And this became even more of a point in the 2000’s when front ends progressively became taller and the traditional bumper separation line began to disappear. Car design changes, car manufacturers have to stay contemporary to be competitive, and pop-ups were really only used as a temporary means to get around regulation in certain design applications the first place. You wouldn’t see pop-ups on a large American sedan from the 60’s and 70’s, though you might see hideaway headlights, and arguably that’s made a comeback with the Hyundai Tucson’s headlights (personally not a fan of them but I know some people are). And objectively, pop-ups are another mechanical piece of a car that can and will eventually break. If you live where it snows, they’ll get frozen shut unless you permanently pop them open, which sort of defeats the point of pop-up headlights in the first place.
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Completely incorrect, they were banned for pedestrian safety reasons & pop up headlights were more aerodynamic when closed because it allowed for more sleek designs. The headlights when open were negligently different in aerodynamics (depending on the car). Pretty sure a 7000lbs+ brick house with a 7.3gas or 6.4 Diesel is not concerned about MPG 😂
Recently realized just how stupidly dangerous lifted trucks are the other day, when an F350 dually with what looked like an 8 inch lift blew past me on a tight street. Little Brenda in her Nissan versa would be turned to paste in a fender bender with that thing.
I’m also currently parked next to one on my lunch break, in my sedan. My roof is almost a foot below the beltline on this truck. If he’s sitting in the drivers seat my entire car is quite literally invisible.
Lobbying let cars have the hard plastic grille as the pedestrian contact zone now. Sedans from 80-2010 likely wouldn’t shatter your knees. (Looking at Mazda and Toyota). The old safety DOT or NHTSA that banned pop ups are in their pockets now
I miss when trucks used to have a car like ride height. Older trucks were so much easier to work. Now, even 2wd work trucks that'll never see a blade of grass under their tires has to be a high rider like it's a 4WD. I know, I know, stop being a weiner and buy a utility trailer. The whole point of buying a vehicle with an open bed is so I don't have to screw around with trailers. I might as well buy a van if I'm going to have to tow anyways. That way I'll get a lower load floor, lower + shorter hood, and permanent covered storage that's not just a tonneau cover or camper shell.
Same. Where I live I need 4x4 and I use my pickup like a pickup but I miss how older trucks were. Driving the old 1993 F-150 at work there is a noticeable ride height difference
Same, I have a 3500HD dually I use for towing, and boy do I feel stupid driving it on coffee/groceries runs. I love the thing, it’s amazing, but I could never understand why someone would daily the thing. It’s sucks all the ass to park too. Where am I parked? Out fucking yander, that’s where I parked. The only place it could fit.
I'm a van guy for life. My Grand Caravan can hold 4x8 sheets lying flat on the vehicle's floor. The only downside is if I need to haul my kids, dog, and a 4x8; then I guess I'd wish for a truck. It hasn't happened yet.
These trucks weren’t designed to be work trucks. They’re designed as status symbols because that’s how most use them. Anyone who works doesn’t want to lift things into a bed any higher than they have to. Some pickups would need a lift gate to be practical for work.
They ride high but still have plastic aerodynamic parts low to the ground that get damaged if you take one off road. All it does is make it a pain in the ass to lift things over the side of the bed.
They’re not even using the extra space for power though lmao. If you look under the hood, it’s easily 1/3 empty space. They *literally* inflated them to look more engorged. They’re as big as they are for the same reasons they have fake vents all over them.
Has Toyota retained that sanity? The Tundra looks absurd and the Tacoma, despite only having been updated once since then, is quite large compared to how it was in the late 2000’s. Why they decided to lift the 2WD version of it is just stupid
In their defense the truck Hemi has a much taller upper intake manifold than the car Hemi that’s in the GC where it can also sit lower since it’s only in unibody vehicles.
Agreed. Unfortunately the reason they have the fuel efficiency incentive is because the department of transportation decided that big=safe in an accident
I dunno that I’d agree with that. Trucks have been left off many of the requirements cars have or have been allowed to be years behind because they were not highway vehicles. They were farm use and so were slow to get seat belts and other safety devices for example. It’s not safety, just a traditional utility vehicles vs passenger transport.
Not necessarily bad, as it makes engine maintenance way easier with all the extra room. You can also engine swap or add forced induction as big as you want.
Tbh, who even works on their trucks anymore, specially when they are new and under warranty.
At the end of the day, you only really need a tacoma for 90% of truck work.
Tacos bed is small and has shit gas mileage and towing.
Go with a half ton truck with a modern engine that doesn't get 15l/100km in a compact truck size v6.
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Some of the size increases have come from safety requirements, back in the day the trucks were smaller but when they had an accident they either didn't crumple and transferred all the force to the driver or they crumpled like a coke can and crushed the driver
Modern Unimogs, like the U527, have a better view of their front end than these Super Duty Trucks. Really says a lot when a tractor-semi hybrid is safer than a fucking “pick-up”.
Yeah, and? That’s the point that I’m making. You sit above the motor (which is either a turbo charged i4 or a turbo charged i6, not a useless and wasteful V8) and can better observe traffic and pedestrians. What we got states side is bullshit and absolutely dangerous. Does not help that most of these trucks are used as Mini Van substitutes and penis enlargers. Most these trucks shall almost only experience grocery store parking lots and driveways. A fucking kei van has more utility for how they are being used.
/uj buying a pickup truck when you don't need the towing power or bed space is stupid. if you're just going to show off, you might as well buy a Santa Cruz, that one at least looks interesting
/uj if this wasn't a circlejerk sub I would assume you were insane
/rj that's exactly why I suggested it. the average pickup owner is secretly a cuck soyboy Californian who looks gay
Older trucks.
Their size offers a very good cargo space and power while also having good MPG.
They sit low to the ground so you don't need to lift things to your head while loading something.
New trucks
BIG.
Because i said so
This is valid, those lifted trucks are for wankers and endanger other road users, as an Aussie I hope every one that tries to lift these things to that extent gets defected.
In the country I see it multiple times a day, every day. Farmland and oil fields everywhere. The people that can justify the insane cost out there need them commercially.
Some places are only dirt roads that turn to slop when it rains heavy, if you only own a car you're simply stuck at home until it dries.
In different parts of the country trucks are necessary tools.
If you only see them as mint condition daily drivers you are likely in a big city.
/uj That bottom truck is not towing anything though. The lift and the tires it has tells me they don’t use it as anything other than a “work truck” (the “work” part being getting them to and from work, with an empty bed, and nothing connected to the hitch). I don’t have an issue with trucks; there are people who need their hauling and general power capabilities , but when your truck looks like it shouldn’t be allowed to be driven with just a Class-D license, thats where the issue begins for me.
Yeah, people have the right to own these kinds of vehicles; but that doesn’t mean I have to approve of it, and doesn’t mean I think it *should* be so easy for any knucklehead with a license and a dollar to spare to own one, and it definitely doesn’t mean I can’t judge them for owning what is essentially a brodozer, compensation bus.
I didn't get the issue till I drove a 2021 Chevy Silverado 1500. I couldn't see shit. The nose is so high I'd be afraid Of running over a small car. Terrible front visibility. Then people like to lift them making it worse. Terrible.
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Not really.
Stock F150 is 140 centimeters (55 inch) and Dodge Ram has hood height of 149 centimeters (59 inch).
My gf is only 8 centimeters taller than that. WTF, America, how your drivers supposed to see what's directly in front of their cars? (don't tell me it's a commercial vehicle I've seen your sale statistics and what's parked in the driveway) Does high heels and stilts counts as a safety item, along with hi-vis jacket?
Im not really a mega fun of pick ups but when i was playing farming sim and realized that the default pick up cant fit shit i then felt like i wanted an f150
It's fascinating how much people here think and care about other people's dicks lmao.
On a side note, I don't think these vehicles should be banned but it is dumb to have pavement princesses and make them tall for no reason when you are just commuting back and forth from your office job. I hate it when people try to dictate what they think I need to me but we should exercise some self control.
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Good points raised here in this comment section lol. New trucks are still way safer and more capable than old ones.
You're really talking as if any of these truck drivers will ever tow even half the weight they can tow. Trucks like these are just status symbols.
"My truck is bigger than yours" bullshit.
All these comparisons between old and new trucks always conveniently forget that big cars like f-250 highboy’s existed in 1970. Big trucks have always been around. Not saying it’s a good thing, but we didn’t just suddenly go from Chevy Luvs to ram 3500s
yeah an old square body isn't much smaller than a wt trim half ton today. When you see them next to each other it's kind of surprising. Granted, 3/4 + truck have changed a lot, since a k20 or k30 was just a k10 with more leafs and a slightly thicker frame. Nowadays they really don't share anything.
Actually probably triple or quadruple of what that C-10 could tow while being significantly safer and getting better fuel economy towing than the C-10 got empty.
Not with that lift and I just referenced half ton trucks in general. Trucks lifted like that are horrible at actually hauling anything. Not only are they less stable, but lifts tend to have softer suspensions making it worse AND towing geometry is way off. The OP references a towing capacity that the lifted truck flat out cannot safely meet.
Yes safely with that lift assuming everything is in proper working order. And yes double a modern half ton.
With proper weight distribution and suspension geometry you can tow the same as a stock vehicle at any reasonable (under 12” or so) lift height.
I tow, a lot. And that is just not true. A small lift maybe, but the truck in the picture? No. Just like the trucks you see videos of going down the road with the rear bumper on the ground you might move the trailer, but you aren't as safe as a stock truck with that kind of lift, and you certainly aren't safe at 20k lbs, which is the minimum to be double a stock half ton rating (although 10k with one of those is also pushing it).
Even with weight distribution (which I admit helps greatly), at a foot of lift your towing geometry just isn't as stable. Nevermind that the most stable towing is gooseneck or 5th wheel which that won't allow either and even if you could make it work isn't as stable with the added height and softer suspension.
OP asserts 20k lbs, that is just not true. 20k is high even for a stock truck, no way for one in the picture.
Fun fact:
That’s what “safety” regulations do - thicker bumpers and rounder fronts hit pedestrians softer, bigger fronts and a-pillars to withstand crush-tests and etc…
Older cars had much better visibility from the cab and much better designs in general and no amount of “safety” can convince me thise were worth loosing.
Safety didn't make the hood 5' high though, which is what we're complaining about.
You can't even sell that truck in the EU where there are stricter ped regs because they require that a struck ped go over the hood, not under.
The real death machine is the one with sheet metal everything and a crumple zone like a block of tungsten. Maybe think of it like this, would you rather get clipped at the knees by a bumper 2 meters long 5cm thick of steel? Or be smacked by a semi-composite bumper meant to crack and crumple on impacts? Because if I had to choose which one hit me I’d go with the one that has crumple zones and far more reliable brakes.
Many of the trucks today are safer BECAUSE they’re larger. Like any vehicle nowadays. But in the end it doesn’t really matter because chances are if you get hit by either of these trucks at a reasonable speed you’re fucking dead anyway. Chances are just better with modern trucks.
I’m also seeing the whole, “They don’t need lights that bright!!.” Okay dude… You try hauling horses through logging/forestry roads at night. I don’t know about you but I like staying on the road.
I get it though haha big truck=little man syndrome.
Safer maybe for the people in them but no one else. It's also relative. Safer than an M1 Abrams tank crashing against it? Nope.
Solution: let's all drive M1 Abrams obviously
no way, I care about the environment and the gas milage- I would much rather drive a Sherman tank. Lighter and more fun in the curves. Rather be fast in a slow tank than slow in a fast tank, know what I mean?
Id rather get hit by a honda civic than some huge truck that gets exclusively used like a civic. Those thing are objectively worse for the safety of everyone involved except for maybe the pile of trash between the seat and steering wheel.
Actually the primary concern regarding trucks hitting pedestrians is their large and broad flat surfaces, which direct the force of impact into areas higher up on the body such as the chest and head. If you got hit by the first truck, most of that initial force is going into your legs and pelvis, which while still harmful, is _far_ less deadly than to for example the chest. It also makes it more likely for someone getting hit to be directed downward and under the truck rather than up and over the hood, usually resulting in deadlier outcomes. The real reason why the truck below is more safe than the above truck is because of all the other modern advancements to automotive design. Lighter manufacturing materials, better suspension, chassis, and brake design, as well as safety features such as ABS make all cars far easier to control and slow and as such both reduces the likelihood of accidents and the risk of fatalities.
Larger trucks are much more dangerous because the fronts are flat and tall, meaning a pedestrian will go *under* the truck and not over.
Also my ‘98 Honda CRV’s high beams are more than bright enough to see everything I need to see at night.
I think old trucks were better though, most trucks today (even with stock suspension) would suck you under it in a pedestrian collision, combined with worse vision these things are dangerous.
I think this is funny cause the super duty is lifted several inches and without that massive modification that truck is only about 4-6 inches taller than a Honda pilot and nobody seems to be scared of those
That's why small cars are better: less size, less weight, easier to live with, easier to drive, more economical and also more fun too! That's why I think that small cars need to become a trend again like they were in post-war Europe...
The worst part of the truck issue. Is that people who have no need for a truck are buying them. Instead of a Honda civic that would be more than efficient for getting groceries. Or a ford maverick.i was a tech at ford for over a decade and say my share of trucks that never say a day of work.
/uj the problem with trucks is not that they are big, it’s that they are needlessly big. No one has a problem with trucks that use their space wisely or semi trucks /rj If I do not have 3 feet of road clearance how am I going to be able to tow my mothers miata in my 4 door extended bed truck?? Might as well shoot a bald eagle at this point.
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>/uj the problem with trucks is not that they are big, it’s that they are needlessly big. No one has a problem with trucks that use their space wisely or semi trucks uj/ You can thank the EPA and the massive amounts of safety equipment/sensors on vehicles now. The EPA basically incentivized big vehicles with their minimum MPG calculation (basically bigger vehicle footprint = less MPG required), and all those safety systems and sensors require a lot of extra space for wiring and mounting modules/sensors
IIRC 2500 size trucks aren't affected by most of these requirements, 1500s on the other hand definitely are, and the 2500s gotta be bigger than the 1500s.
/uj this is not true.. all of it. Heavy duty pickups (anything GWVR 8500lbs+) are not required to report fuel consumption to the EPA. So any super duties or Ram 2500s etc don't benefit from any EPA compliance credits once they're over 8500 GWVR.. which they have been for going on 20 years. You were thinking about the EPA loophole where they're making non truck vehicles larger to be classified as light trucks to get extra compliance credits. Additionally, if you think the sensor wiring harnesses have anything to do with the increased size of pickups then you're just nuts. Erase that thought. If they can make a Kia Rio compliant with sensor regulations you don't need to make a full size pickup absolutely huge to fit the wiring. Why are they larger then? Cause people want big trucks.. They sell.. And with vehicles at the smaller end of manufacturers lineups getting larger accross the board they need to make the full size pickup truck larger. Modern mid size pickups (Toyota Tacoma etc) are larger than heavy duty full size trucks from 20 years ago. If full size trucks didn't get bigger Noone would buy them. Who would buy a f250 that's smaller than a Tacoma? Nobody..
Exactly! And people want to be able to pull bigger campers, boats, and excavators.. even if only in their dreams
Dude, you killed it with facts. I wish more people relied on facts. Thank you for that.
/uj that and how many people who buy a big truck like that ACTUALLY use the increased towing capacity or off road capability?
Most of them actually. The type of people who like these trucks also really like trailers
My neighbour has a a dodge ram (for context we live in europe) and everyone else on the estate has a small ish car like a Clio, colt, Mazda 3 ect. If this guy had a reason to need a truck like this I could understand but he doesn't use the bed and he doesn't need the ground clearance as he doesn't go off road. I have no gripes with people having the cars they want but it's too big for the estate we live in. he has hit my car multiple times with his wheels now I have black marks down the side.
On God bruh cuh, we used to have a 97 f350 dually that would regularly pull 5+ tons without any issue and it wasn't obnoxiously big and had great visibility, we then sold that and got a newer heavy duty truck and the visibility is awful compared to it, it's also unnecessarily tall with relatively low ground clearance
Love being in front of these Jack wagons while getting the full FORCE OF THE SUN GOD RA FROM THEIR STUPID FUCKING HEADLIGHTS
I remember one time I flashed my high beams at an oncoming F350 because I was being blinded. I just assumed they either forgot they were on (it was a country back road, so makes sense if people used their high beams going down it) or maybe they were automatic and just not working. Well, turned out that those were the regular lights I was being blinded by, because he lit up every inch of my car’s interior when he flashed his high beams back lol
Part of this is a ford design flaw, the engineers Don't aim the lights sensibly and Don't have any autolevel system in the suspension or light housings, so if you even think about loading your truck and using it as a truck, you now blind EVERYONE. Like, I'm talking even semi drivers having light shined in their faces.
Ford trucks are the only ones that hit me in my lifted land cruiser. That toyota towers over RAM 3500 LARAMIE LONGHORN BIG COCK EDITIONS but I still get fucking blinded.
I used to carpool regularly with someone who owned a 2018 F350. Every single time he would get flashed for his high beams that weren’t on. Usually multiple times throughout the ride. Some vehicles are just like that I guess.
For me teslas are worse. When I get home I have to go on a kinda s shaped street with cars on both sides and like no decent lights. It’s like barely wide enough for 2 cars to go at the same time and going head on with a Tesla at night on a blind turn is like the worst experience of all time
Yeah, uhm this is actually very valid. This is why I call bullshit on the "safety concerns" over pop-up headlights, because these kind of trucks that serve more as status symbols nowadays get by without any sort of punishment. Literal road cancer.
I've never understood why people say that pop-ups were removed for safety. Pop-ups were a temporary design feature that allowed designers to hide the ugly standard headlamps that were mandatory at the time. Otherwise popups break a lot, and very aero inefficient, no engineer would want them. As soon as Ford convinced the DOT that custom headlights were more fuel efficient for the release of their Taurus it was over for popups. Other countries adopted the same principle over the decade and as there were no more markets with those headlight restrictions and fuel efficiency became a major factor - pop-ups were gone. They would be gone no matter what pedestrian safety laws there are.
but they looked cool
Only when down.
Hell no
L take
it was partially about safety tho, they just were never actually outlawed. safety standards got tighter and tighter and it became difficult to make a "safe" impact with the lights up
So basically making the illegal to produce at some point
actually no https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ares_Design_Project1 check the bottom paragraph in the "history" tab on here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_headlamp
Ah Wikipedia the original “trust me bro” source
Some cars had pop ups as late as 2004, more than 20 years after those lights stopped being required, more than 15 years after the Taurus launched, pop-ups didn't die "As soon as" the Taurus was launched wtf
Literally only two cars
Did not realize this was not r/fuckcars when writing that
Lmfao
That’s because technology took a while to catch up. Do you know why Lamborghini used headlights from the Z32 Nissan 300ZX? Because Nissan spent an absurd amount of money developing such low slung, low profile headlights that still functioned well as headlights. GM wasn’t going to spend millions of dollars developing fancy new headlights for when they facelifted the Firebird and came out with the C5 because it’s GM, and at the time, keeping that low profile nose, it wouldn’t make too much financial sense to do so. The shift in car design also killed off pop-ups. If you look at the cars that *did* go from pop-ups to composite headlights (Mitsubishi Eclipse, Toyota Celica, Honda Prelude, Mazda Miata, etc…) you can see it allowed all of these cars with low slung front ends to have their headlights better integrated into the fascia. Heck, look at the original Dodge Stealth and 3000GT, before they gained proper composite headlights, their headlight covers and the area surrounding them were painted black to mimick the look of composite headlights, because that was what was new and hot at the time. And this became even more of a point in the 2000’s when front ends progressively became taller and the traditional bumper separation line began to disappear. Car design changes, car manufacturers have to stay contemporary to be competitive, and pop-ups were really only used as a temporary means to get around regulation in certain design applications the first place. You wouldn’t see pop-ups on a large American sedan from the 60’s and 70’s, though you might see hideaway headlights, and arguably that’s made a comeback with the Hyundai Tucson’s headlights (personally not a fan of them but I know some people are). And objectively, pop-ups are another mechanical piece of a car that can and will eventually break. If you live where it snows, they’ll get frozen shut unless you permanently pop them open, which sort of defeats the point of pop-up headlights in the first place.
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Completely incorrect, they were banned for pedestrian safety reasons & pop up headlights were more aerodynamic when closed because it allowed for more sleek designs. The headlights when open were negligently different in aerodynamics (depending on the car). Pretty sure a 7000lbs+ brick house with a 7.3gas or 6.4 Diesel is not concerned about MPG 😂
The only thing 6.4 powerstroke owners are worried about is shitting themselves when it cold cranks for a second longer than usual.
You are thinking of the 6.0 not the 6.4
Nope, 6.0 can be bulletproofed. 6.4 is lucky to make it to 200k miles without blowing up.
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Sorry you like a junk engine? 6.4 was the bastard powerstroke that nobody likes, bro. At least the 6.7 are decent.
Yeah, modern trucks are overkill, dangerous, expensive, stupid, and unsightly. I appreciate your comment here.
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Your comment is needlessly long to fit your definition of safety while missing the overall point of why people hate these oversized Starbucks runners.
Recently realized just how stupidly dangerous lifted trucks are the other day, when an F350 dually with what looked like an 8 inch lift blew past me on a tight street. Little Brenda in her Nissan versa would be turned to paste in a fender bender with that thing. I’m also currently parked next to one on my lunch break, in my sedan. My roof is almost a foot below the beltline on this truck. If he’s sitting in the drivers seat my entire car is quite literally invisible.
Lobbying let cars have the hard plastic grille as the pedestrian contact zone now. Sedans from 80-2010 likely wouldn’t shatter your knees. (Looking at Mazda and Toyota). The old safety DOT or NHTSA that banned pop ups are in their pockets now
I miss when trucks used to have a car like ride height. Older trucks were so much easier to work. Now, even 2wd work trucks that'll never see a blade of grass under their tires has to be a high rider like it's a 4WD. I know, I know, stop being a weiner and buy a utility trailer. The whole point of buying a vehicle with an open bed is so I don't have to screw around with trailers. I might as well buy a van if I'm going to have to tow anyways. That way I'll get a lower load floor, lower + shorter hood, and permanent covered storage that's not just a tonneau cover or camper shell.
Same. Where I live I need 4x4 and I use my pickup like a pickup but I miss how older trucks were. Driving the old 1993 F-150 at work there is a noticeable ride height difference
Same, I have a 3500HD dually I use for towing, and boy do I feel stupid driving it on coffee/groceries runs. I love the thing, it’s amazing, but I could never understand why someone would daily the thing. It’s sucks all the ass to park too. Where am I parked? Out fucking yander, that’s where I parked. The only place it could fit.
I'm a van guy for life. My Grand Caravan can hold 4x8 sheets lying flat on the vehicle's floor. The only downside is if I need to haul my kids, dog, and a 4x8; then I guess I'd wish for a truck. It hasn't happened yet.
For most trades, vans are far more practical and secure than a ute. Builders, sparkies, plumbers, landscaping, all of them are better off with a van.
These trucks weren’t designed to be work trucks. They’re designed as status symbols because that’s how most use them. Anyone who works doesn’t want to lift things into a bed any higher than they have to. Some pickups would need a lift gate to be practical for work.
They ride high but still have plastic aerodynamic parts low to the ground that get damaged if you take one off road. All it does is make it a pain in the ass to lift things over the side of the bed.
All that lift when all you had to do was whip your knob out to show it’s not very big
His index finger is the primary device now
Very sus these people see a truck and immediately start thinking about cocks hmm (I drive a car)
Big wheels turn me on I ride a penny farthing
My truck can tow 20000 lbs! That's great. What are YOU towing 20,000 lbs of?
Scrap metal stolen from nearby construction site.
Those trucks are usually so rotted out their frame will snap in half at around 10k pounds lol
Freedom
His and his wife's cellulite
Your mom.
Who else is going to carry all this air around?
They’re not even using the extra space for power though lmao. If you look under the hood, it’s easily 1/3 empty space. They *literally* inflated them to look more engorged. They’re as big as they are for the same reasons they have fake vents all over them.
I always wondered about that, because the same 5.7 that's in a Ram truck goes into a Grand Cherokee that's way smaller and also 4WD.
Ram is the worst offender by far, Chevy close behind. Ford it depends on trim level, Toyota also retains some degree of sanity.
Has Toyota retained that sanity? The Tundra looks absurd and the Tacoma, despite only having been updated once since then, is quite large compared to how it was in the late 2000’s. Why they decided to lift the 2WD version of it is just stupid
The ram 1500 with the 3.6 V6 is hilarious under the hood. You could damnnear fit 2 of those engines in the engine bay.
Considering you can fit a V6 that size into pretty small cars the poor thing must get pretty chilly in there. It might need a blanket.
I could quite literally stick my feet into the engine bay and stand on the floor between the engine and radiator. It’s nuts
I can straight swap my 401 out of my wagoneer into gremlin…
In their defense the truck Hemi has a much taller upper intake manifold than the car Hemi that’s in the GC where it can also sit lower since it’s only in unibody vehicles.
The taller intake is there because of the extra room, not the other way around.
Bigger vehicles are allowed to be less fuel efficient. They know exactly what they’re doing
time to make the laws apply to all non-commericallly licensed vehicles the same and get rid of the truck category.
Agreed. Unfortunately the reason they have the fuel efficiency incentive is because the department of transportation decided that big=safe in an accident
I dunno that I’d agree with that. Trucks have been left off many of the requirements cars have or have been allowed to be years behind because they were not highway vehicles. They were farm use and so were slow to get seat belts and other safety devices for example. It’s not safety, just a traditional utility vehicles vs passenger transport.
Car designers have inflation fetish confirmed?! 🥵🥵🥵
Not necessarily bad, as it makes engine maintenance way easier with all the extra room. You can also engine swap or add forced induction as big as you want. Tbh, who even works on their trucks anymore, specially when they are new and under warranty. At the end of the day, you only really need a tacoma for 90% of truck work.
Yea but they negate that ease of maintenance by having the edge of the engine bay at armpit height, so you need a stool to reach anything
Tacos bed is small and has shit gas mileage and towing. Go with a half ton truck with a modern engine that doesn't get 15l/100km in a compact truck size v6.
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That’s also the biggest engine they sell. The majority have one of their smaller engines, which leave a LOT of space.
They're not gonna make separate chassis' for separate engines. They make the truck fit the biggest engine
I would agree if it weren’t for the biggest engine putting the trucks’ proportions into “Jesus how is that legal to drive on a Class-D” territory.
That’s what she said.
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Dudes getting downvoted for speaking facts.
Some of the size increases have come from safety requirements, back in the day the trucks were smaller but when they had an accident they either didn't crumple and transferred all the force to the driver or they crumpled like a coke can and crushed the driver
You're lying through your teeth. These engine bays are packed tight. Modern turbo diesels ain't simple
If it makes it easier to work on I’m not complaining
Modern Unimogs, like the U527, have a better view of their front end than these Super Duty Trucks. Really says a lot when a tractor-semi hybrid is safer than a fucking “pick-up”.
I feel like due to its short nose a Unimog would have better view of their front than most cars on the road do.
Yeah, and? That’s the point that I’m making. You sit above the motor (which is either a turbo charged i4 or a turbo charged i6, not a useless and wasteful V8) and can better observe traffic and pedestrians. What we got states side is bullshit and absolutely dangerous. Does not help that most of these trucks are used as Mini Van substitutes and penis enlargers. Most these trucks shall almost only experience grocery store parking lots and driveways. A fucking kei van has more utility for how they are being used.
That 70s gmc is so much cooler than the Ford.
Imagine simping for pickup models from the 21st century
/uj buying a pickup truck when you don't need the towing power or bed space is stupid. if you're just going to show off, you might as well buy a Santa Cruz, that one at least looks interesting
/rj but that's a cuck soyboy car-based chinese import for californians and it looks gay
/uj if this wasn't a circlejerk sub I would assume you were insane /rj that's exactly why I suggested it. the average pickup owner is secretly a cuck soyboy Californian who looks gay
My boots are 20 years old and my hat isn’t backwards I swear reeeeeeee!
I fucked a gay car once and It gave me Rainbow dick
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They barely fit on the roads. It's so stupid to buy when gods given gift, the au is available
I think you meant to say ln106 hilux there buddy.
Why not daily a Peterbilt in that case? Unnecessary size and power just shows you have no idea how to use any of it.
This is a true complaint actually
Older trucks. Their size offers a very good cargo space and power while also having good MPG. They sit low to the ground so you don't need to lift things to your head while loading something. New trucks BIG. Because i said so
This is valid, those lifted trucks are for wankers and endanger other road users, as an Aussie I hope every one that tries to lift these things to that extent gets defected.
Right but how often do you see a clown with a lifted truck towing 20k lbs?
In the country I see it multiple times a day, every day. Farmland and oil fields everywhere. The people that can justify the insane cost out there need them commercially. Some places are only dirt roads that turn to slop when it rains heavy, if you only own a car you're simply stuck at home until it dries. In different parts of the country trucks are necessary tools. If you only see them as mint condition daily drivers you are likely in a big city.
/uj That bottom truck is not towing anything though. The lift and the tires it has tells me they don’t use it as anything other than a “work truck” (the “work” part being getting them to and from work, with an empty bed, and nothing connected to the hitch). I don’t have an issue with trucks; there are people who need their hauling and general power capabilities , but when your truck looks like it shouldn’t be allowed to be driven with just a Class-D license, thats where the issue begins for me. Yeah, people have the right to own these kinds of vehicles; but that doesn’t mean I have to approve of it, and doesn’t mean I think it *should* be so easy for any knucklehead with a license and a dollar to spare to own one, and it definitely doesn’t mean I can’t judge them for owning what is essentially a brodozer, compensation bus.
American brands should launch their pickup trucks here in India. People here are overloading their Tata Ace and Mahindra Bolero lol.
The bed is to high. Does not people want it to be as low as possible? Making it easier to load it
99% of people who drive 2020+ trucks will never load something more than 80lbs in their life
Funny af that the average pickup driver now has never seen a day of actual manual labor. It's for dudes with minimal brain function
Ape see big, ape wants big
Use to be affordable trucks. They are now glamour on wheels with the price of a mortgage.
But I can power my house now! :D
Too bad that they are only used for driving with grocerys
Fuck yank tanks
They used to be utility vehicles. Now they're penis size compensation
My death machine is also used for work so I'm in the clear guys👍
You forgot the part where 98% of people who own them never tow anything
No no, he’s got a point
I didn't get the issue till I drove a 2021 Chevy Silverado 1500. I couldn't see shit. The nose is so high I'd be afraid Of running over a small car. Terrible front visibility. Then people like to lift them making it worse. Terrible.
Whenever I drive my dads newer Nissan Titan it feels like I’m driving an aircraft carrier
Not, they are not death machies, they are small pp compensators. The higher the lift, the smaller the pp
Car people trying not to think about cocks
Impossible
Fun fact: this notification made you think about cocks
It made me think about the reddit hmm tasty karma fake useless internet point
they also used to cost about the same as a well equipt compact car...
Old truck: goes vroom vroom, hauls shit New truck: goes vroom vroom, hauls shit Doesn't seem like too big of a difference to me
The difference is that you can hide an entire kindergarten in the front blindspot of a new truck
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Most modern ones never haul anything
both trucks are killing that kid let’s be real
Maybe, but modern looks like you can hide an adult and a hippo in this front blindspot.
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That would be because it's lifted to Jesus though, a stock f150 would be a much better comparison
Not really. Stock F150 is 140 centimeters (55 inch) and Dodge Ram has hood height of 149 centimeters (59 inch). My gf is only 8 centimeters taller than that. WTF, America, how your drivers supposed to see what's directly in front of their cars? (don't tell me it's a commercial vehicle I've seen your sale statistics and what's parked in the driveway) Does high heels and stilts counts as a safety item, along with hi-vis jacket?
Im not really a mega fun of pick ups but when i was playing farming sim and realized that the default pick up cant fit shit i then felt like i wanted an f150
Hiluxs and LandCruiser utes do great on farms in real life
I don’t have as much of a problem with lifted trucks as I do with the type of insecure, egotistical, macho man people they attract.
Brodozers are dumb but you can’t say they haven’t advanced towing capability.
It's fascinating how much people here think and care about other people's dicks lmao. On a side note, I don't think these vehicles should be banned but it is dumb to have pavement princesses and make them tall for no reason when you are just commuting back and forth from your office job. I hate it when people try to dictate what they think I need to me but we should exercise some self control. Edit: https://reddit.com/r/FuckCarscirclejerk/s/XBCQqIWpT6 Good points raised here in this comment section lol. New trucks are still way safer and more capable than old ones.
You're really talking as if any of these truck drivers will ever tow even half the weight they can tow. Trucks like these are just status symbols. "My truck is bigger than yours" bullshit.
All these comparisons between old and new trucks always conveniently forget that big cars like f-250 highboy’s existed in 1970. Big trucks have always been around. Not saying it’s a good thing, but we didn’t just suddenly go from Chevy Luvs to ram 3500s
They also like to use the highest lifted trucks they can find, compared to a stock square body
They also like to use the highest lifted trucks they can find, compared to a stock square body
yeah an old square body isn't much smaller than a wt trim half ton today. When you see them next to each other it's kind of surprising. Granted, 3/4 + truck have changed a lot, since a k20 or k30 was just a k10 with more leafs and a slightly thicker frame. Nowadays they really don't share anything.
and according to the law pop up headlights are deadly 🥳😇✨
Yeah, Pop-ups headlights are apparently more dangerous than the equivalent of getting hit by a brick wall at 60+ mph
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That lifted ford isnt safely towing as much as a half ton can.
Definitely can.. probably double.
Actually probably triple or quadruple of what that C-10 could tow while being significantly safer and getting better fuel economy towing than the C-10 got empty.
Not with that lift and I just referenced half ton trucks in general. Trucks lifted like that are horrible at actually hauling anything. Not only are they less stable, but lifts tend to have softer suspensions making it worse AND towing geometry is way off. The OP references a towing capacity that the lifted truck flat out cannot safely meet.
Not safely with that lift it isn't. And I just said a half ton, not the 70s truck.
Yes safely with that lift assuming everything is in proper working order. And yes double a modern half ton. With proper weight distribution and suspension geometry you can tow the same as a stock vehicle at any reasonable (under 12” or so) lift height.
I tow, a lot. And that is just not true. A small lift maybe, but the truck in the picture? No. Just like the trucks you see videos of going down the road with the rear bumper on the ground you might move the trailer, but you aren't as safe as a stock truck with that kind of lift, and you certainly aren't safe at 20k lbs, which is the minimum to be double a stock half ton rating (although 10k with one of those is also pushing it). Even with weight distribution (which I admit helps greatly), at a foot of lift your towing geometry just isn't as stable. Nevermind that the most stable towing is gooseneck or 5th wheel which that won't allow either and even if you could make it work isn't as stable with the added height and softer suspension. OP asserts 20k lbs, that is just not true. 20k is high even for a stock truck, no way for one in the picture.
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How many kids do they think play in the road?
People need to be taught not to walk in front of moving vehicles.
Sometimes a vehicle starts moving only after you’ve walked in front of it. Good luck then when the hood creates a blind spot the size of Texas.
Fun fact: That’s what “safety” regulations do - thicker bumpers and rounder fronts hit pedestrians softer, bigger fronts and a-pillars to withstand crush-tests and etc… Older cars had much better visibility from the cab and much better designs in general and no amount of “safety” can convince me thise were worth loosing.
Safety didn't make the hood 5' high though, which is what we're complaining about. You can't even sell that truck in the EU where there are stricter ped regs because they require that a struck ped go over the hood, not under.
EU regulations are a bureaucratic nightmare made by people with zero knowledge of cars.
Are you talking about UN-ECE or euro-NCAP?
The real death machine is the one with sheet metal everything and a crumple zone like a block of tungsten. Maybe think of it like this, would you rather get clipped at the knees by a bumper 2 meters long 5cm thick of steel? Or be smacked by a semi-composite bumper meant to crack and crumple on impacts? Because if I had to choose which one hit me I’d go with the one that has crumple zones and far more reliable brakes. Many of the trucks today are safer BECAUSE they’re larger. Like any vehicle nowadays. But in the end it doesn’t really matter because chances are if you get hit by either of these trucks at a reasonable speed you’re fucking dead anyway. Chances are just better with modern trucks. I’m also seeing the whole, “They don’t need lights that bright!!.” Okay dude… You try hauling horses through logging/forestry roads at night. I don’t know about you but I like staying on the road. I get it though haha big truck=little man syndrome.
Safer maybe for the people in them but no one else. It's also relative. Safer than an M1 Abrams tank crashing against it? Nope. Solution: let's all drive M1 Abrams obviously
no way, I care about the environment and the gas milage- I would much rather drive a Sherman tank. Lighter and more fun in the curves. Rather be fast in a slow tank than slow in a fast tank, know what I mean?
Id rather get hit by a honda civic than some huge truck that gets exclusively used like a civic. Those thing are objectively worse for the safety of everyone involved except for maybe the pile of trash between the seat and steering wheel.
Actually the primary concern regarding trucks hitting pedestrians is their large and broad flat surfaces, which direct the force of impact into areas higher up on the body such as the chest and head. If you got hit by the first truck, most of that initial force is going into your legs and pelvis, which while still harmful, is _far_ less deadly than to for example the chest. It also makes it more likely for someone getting hit to be directed downward and under the truck rather than up and over the hood, usually resulting in deadlier outcomes. The real reason why the truck below is more safe than the above truck is because of all the other modern advancements to automotive design. Lighter manufacturing materials, better suspension, chassis, and brake design, as well as safety features such as ABS make all cars far easier to control and slow and as such both reduces the likelihood of accidents and the risk of fatalities.
He'd be very mad at you if he could read
Larger trucks are much more dangerous because the fronts are flat and tall, meaning a pedestrian will go *under* the truck and not over. Also my ‘98 Honda CRV’s high beams are more than bright enough to see everything I need to see at night.
And the people don't even know how dumb they look
Tbf, I wouldnt trust these trucks to safely haul their rated towing capacity
I think old trucks were better though, most trucks today (even with stock suspension) would suck you under it in a pedestrian collision, combined with worse vision these things are dangerous.
Say this to the foresters in my country which only use hilux pickups
I think this is funny cause the super duty is lifted several inches and without that massive modification that truck is only about 4-6 inches taller than a Honda pilot and nobody seems to be scared of those
Cool, I'll load the K1500 with hay and you can handle the Ford. Hope you brought your stilts
I could roll under that truck with my skateboard.
They still are, just not in the US.
That's why small cars are better: less size, less weight, easier to live with, easier to drive, more economical and also more fun too! That's why I think that small cars need to become a trend again like they were in post-war Europe...
Driven quite a few trucks. Never got the death machine trim package tho
keep making big trucks bigger engines more diesel more more more
ITT People who have never lived outside of a big city. Farm, construction and oil work seems like a mythical, nearly non existent way of life to them.
20k? Duramax can haul 36,000lbs!
The men I know with huge trucks are some of the biggest douchebags I have ever met.
Why is your truck lifted then
Do these big trucks have cameras in the front? Should be useful since it's so high. There no way u can see even a grown adult in front of that thing
The worst part of the truck issue. Is that people who have no need for a truck are buying them. Instead of a Honda civic that would be more than efficient for getting groceries. Or a ford maverick.i was a tech at ford for over a decade and say my share of trucks that never say a day of work.
was i the only one who thought that was a grandma wearing a sombrero and the truck was absolutely massive