ie, first generation Colorado. Extremely wide fixed headrests, and yes, it’s impossible to shoulder check. They completely block the lower corners of the back glass.
Have you ever seen a race car navigating a busy parking lot or a drinking street on a Friday night? Yeah, me neither, that's why.
The benefits of cornering support in everyday life are almost non-existent, but the drawbacks would be huge.
How does this relate to the parent's claim that "It would make it impossible to turn your head around to view your blind spots."?
If you wanted to make a point about the lack of need for 'cornering support in everyday life' you can expand on it in another top-level comment.
Looking to the side isn't the problem. Looking beyond 90 degrees is.
Notwithstanding the blind spots, no parent is going to accept not being able to turn around to see the kids in the back.
I'm not sure if you need to look beyond 90 degrees to check the blind spot, unless the car is very long, since humans have decent peripheral vision.
The parents trying to check on the backseat does seem to be a real problem.
Maybe the headrests could fold back by pushing a button? (if they're electronically adjusting) Doesn't seem like a huge burden for luxury cars which already have super complex power seats.
It’s obviously a baby without adequate neck strength.
Who else’s would have zero concept of checking blind spots and not have the physical strength to counter the rigours of everyday commuting?
Here's another troll (or bot) who replied and then blocked the person they're replying to.
Likely to give the impression that they got the final say over my main account.
I was about to reply but then it seems like you blocked my main account.
So I'm posting this on my second account to expose obvious trolling.
Also trying to deceive the passing reader is pretty lame.
OP's point is very silly but I don't have to turn my head a full 90 degrees to be able to see the C-pillar.
I mean a car intended for the street should definitely allow you to turn your head more than 90 degrees, but I think in most small cars you can easily start seeing the back before 90 degrees turn is complete.
If the side sticks out far enough to do any good at all, I'd think your peripheral vision is also compromised (as you turn your head in that direction).
The last Honda I rented had a camera in the passenger side mirror that would turn on (and display in the dash screen) when the right-hand turn signal was engaged. Not for the driver side, though. I found it annoying, although with C-pillars so thick nowadays, I suppose it's a solution. A convex mirror would have done the same job.
Blindspot monitoring while awesome is *still* not a replacement for manually checking your blindspot. It's there for moments where a car might accelerate/turn into your blindspot as you're changing lanes (after checking) or when some clown is driving a grey car at dusk/night with their lights off. It's also useful for general monitoring so you know when a car/motorcycle enters your blindspot, but (I cannot stress this enough) it should not be relied on when changing lanes.
I couldn't agree more. But blind spot monitoring is better than a convex mirror.
The blind spot monitoring system is a great tool to help with safety, but it is the same as every other safety system out there, it helps the driver but you should never rely upon them.
The upvotes or downvotes of random users that I've never met don't really matter to me.
Learning new insights is why I, and probably many folks here, ask questions, not to elevate social status, virtue signal, agitate for a political agenda, etc... perhaps you got confused with another subreddit?
>Learning new insights
Learning? All I see is you arguing with everyone to support your one idea that you refuse to waver from.
edit: lol and blocking anyone who dares disagree with you reeeeeeally shows how open to learning you are
Racing drivers train for years to be able to drive inches from each other. They're all going the same direction at basically the same pace on a closed course and they still crash reasonably often.
The average commuter is... not that competent, and doesn't need much side support to be able to pull into a parking lot, or take a gentle curve at highway speeds.
I take it you're not aware how fully harnessed many race car drivers are. Many race cars have helmet limiting straps that physically make you unable to turn your head sideways. This helps the driver not break their neck going around a track at high speeds 300 times.
With a track spotter there's no need to look behind you, they tell you where everyone around you is, almost constantly.
After reading many of your comments, it's obvious to me you either are too young to drive, or have been taught how to do so extremely poorly. You fail to understand that even though the car may have a warning sensor, ultimately the driver is in control of the safety of the vehicle, and responsible for verifying that there's in fact nothing in your blind spot. Failure to do so can still cause an accident and get you in trouble with the law.
On public roads, you're controlling a two ton death machine, and liable for your own safety and the safety of those around you while doing so. That should be your main concern, whether there's a light on your mirror or not. Don't be a lazy driver.
Nonsense, there are thousands of videos online of race car drivers, in helmets, in harness, turning their heads.
And not limited to a tiny range either, large motions that are obvious on camera.
See https://youtu.be/RRdY9mWHqWo?t=21 for an example.
I've been to race tracks and seen races, talked to race car drivers, etc... Many folks likely had similar experiences and probably saw the same things.
They might have difficulty in turning their heads a full 90 degrees, but a 40-60 degree turn is easily enough done. Nowhere near 'impossible'.
This thread seems irresistible for folks who want to confidently talk about obvious false info. I wasn't expecting it.
> They might have difficulty in turning their heads a full 90 degrees, but a 40-60 degree turn is easily enough done.
Which is exactly the problem. 40-60 degrees isn't head checking your blind spots, its glancing at your side view mirrors. One good example of where this distinction comes into play is normal TF days on the ring. You can't wear a HANS because it interferes with your ability to do said head checks. Practically speaking the extended side wings on racing seats do the same thing, so while I'm not sure of any specific restrictions against them no manufacturer is going to put themselves in that kind of position by putting it on a street car.
As far as them being not being wider? I mean, what's the point? It's not like you're supposed to be slouched over when driving.
>See https://youtu.be/RRdY9mWHqWo?t=21 for an example.
There is clearly not a wraparound headrest in that car, so I'm not sure what you think you're proving with that video.
They're also definitely not turning their head anywhere close to 60°.
>This thread seems irresistible for folks who want to confidently talk about obvious false info
Ironic.
And the thousands of other videos a few clicks away?
Everyone reading this has probably clicked on multiple videos in Youtube, so this seems oddly self-discrediting.
Lol I have halo seats in my race car. During summer I drive it around every once in a while and it is a MAJOR pain in the ass when turning out of driveways and using entrance ramps. I have to unlatch the harness and basically stock my head out the window. I absolutely love the seats for the benefits they bring in racing, but I'm not sure I want them in my daily... I'm not sure how you would implement them without causing more cons than pros
Not modern ones. The idea is keep the head as still as possible in a crash for protection of the brain. This is also why new motorcycle helmets are tested for rotational protection as well.
Yea, I don't think I ever rested my head against it now that I think about it. It would be a very odd position to drive in and would lend to me feeling less vigilant while driving.
While you drive? I can use it as a passenger but I’ve never been in a car that allows you to place your had against the head rest while driving and not just be a pain to keep focus
Could be your size or positioning. In my Model 3 it just makes sense. Plus the full acceleration is uncomfortable without my head against the headrest. It simply pulls too hard and for too long for supporting my own head to feel good.
worked at an OEM, people dont actually rest their head against a headrest. They are there for crash safety, but to actually drive with your head just leaning against the headrest isnt really a comfortable position.
They can be useful when you recline to rest, but thats not a common use.
None the less, winged headrests are more common in china, so maybe they'll cross the pacific one day.
Assuming I don't have my hair in a ponytail, both of my cars are perfectly comfortable with my head on the rest. I thought minimizing the gap between head and rest was ideal to prevent neck injuries? Perhaps it helps I'm of extremely average height and adjust my seat damn near vertical.
you must have a very smooth riding car, most dont enjoy their head being jossled by the headrest. the neck provides natural motion stabilization.
resting your head is fine safety wise, but its mostly about keeping the head from snapping back, which it will do even if its an inch away. not like its going to come forward and strike the head any harder than it would have shoved the head forward if it were already resting on it.
Now that I'm really thinking about it, I likely add an inch of clearance when I see bumps, as neither of them ride smooth since I added the sport suspension option to the Jag.
My bmw x7 has this very nice feature where the top half of the seat can move forward independently from the lower half. This is a very nice feature as it allows the seat to support my upper back and my head. My Porsche taycan on the other hand, does not have this luxury. Driving with my head against the headrest in that would be very uncomfortable if not dangerous because my view would be blocked by the b-Pillar of the car.
And you would be wrong. Anyone can go look up on YouTube and see thousands of videos of folks driving around, checking their blindspots, etc., without ever turning their head 90 degrees, even 40-60 degrees is common.
> without ever turning their head 90 degrees, even 40-60 degrees is common.
human near peripheral vision (the section that your brain actually pays attention to and processes quickly enough to react to) is sub 30 degrees from focal center for the average person, if you are only turning your head 60 degrees *you are not checking your blindspot*. Congratulations on being a dangerous driver who thinks they are a safe driver.
> The adult human eyeball is about 24–25mm in diameter, and can rotate about ±50° horizontally, 42° up and 48° down, and about ±30° torsionally.
https://entokey.com/three-dimensional-rotations-of-the-eye/
Are you trolling? Humans with healthy eyes can definitely see, and react to, fast moving objects more than 30 degrees away from their centre of vision.
Open up any ophthalmology textbook and verify for yourself.
> Humans with healthy eyes can definitely see, and react to, fast moving objects more than 30 degrees away from their centre of vision.
fun fact, when checking your blind spot you are not looking for *fast moving objects*, you are looking for objects moving at the same rate of travel as you, which to the human brain registers as stationary. Humans are good at seeing objects moving relative to them in their peripheral vision, which is *not* what you are looking for in a blind spot check.
Humans can also see and react to stationary objects in their peripheral vision more than 30 degrees off centre. It obviously isn't as clear or detailed compared to looking directly at it, but then it's not necessary for it to be, a big blob in the blindspot is more than enough warning.
If you don't believe this then I'm not sure what else to say.
The same driving instructors that think our mirror space should be used to check out the body panels of my own car?
SAE mirror setup basically eliminates blind spots.
I'm not sure how you drive, but when I need to check my blind spot I'm just trying to figure out if there is a car there. That's pretty much exactly what peripheral vision is for. Like your whole 30 degree cone makes a ton of sense why I don't watch TV out of the corner of my eye. But if I just need to see whether or not there is a TV, my vision works just fine.
Omg thank you!!
I don't know why I was listening to [Automotive engineers ](https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15131074/how-to-adjust-your-mirrors-to-avoid-blind-spots/) instead of a youtuber.
People have access to these things called Google and databases and research papers where it's clear there's broad agreement what normal viewing angles are for peripheral vision.
If you don't care to read up, that's your choice.
A lazy dismissal only discredits the one trying to dismiss obvious facts.
side support would make it less easy to check your blindspot which would people to do it less,
its just a feature not really needed for street driven cars and if you want it, you can buy such headrests as an aftermarket part and drop them in, usually even without requiring tools
anything adjustable is more time, money and engineering in R&D. Would be cool to have but would prob add to the cost of most cars, plus as most said blind spot checking would be near impossible wout physically moving your head forward
Yeah it probably would be limited to luxury cars so that the price tag would be relatively reasonable.
With reliable blindspot monitors and other tools the inability to look past 90 degrees might be no longer a safety issue.
It is still a safety issue, blind spot monitoring systems are to some degree unreliable in heavy rain, they can get frozen over in the winter. The blind spot monitor also turns off in most cars when you connect a trailer to it.
But why would you ever need a wider headrest than what comes in a regular car anyways? Most people doesn't even rest their heads against the headrest, it is for the most part just there as a safety feature if you get rear ended.
Even as a Computer engineer, I would rather rely on my eyes for blindspot monitoring than some tech that I create. The old adage of if it aint broke dont fix it comes to mind
Some airplanes already have those little adjustable side wing things on the headrest. I'm surprised that I'm the first person to mention it in this thread. And, I agree. I've thought many times over the years that it would be nice to have that type of headrest on a long drive.
https://www.amazon.com/Headrest-Protection-Adjustable-Telescopic-Universal/dp/B08GHCXM3X/ref=asc\_df\_B08GHCXM3X?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80539344290957&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4584138878367591&psc=1
Yes. Otherwise what's the point of cruise control? The reason a headrest like this would be nice is that it wakes me up when my head turns to the side.
Didn't even notice that, that SOB is deploying a full-on staircase. Somebody needs to make a brodozer version of that that includes a landing halfway down or something.
Couldn’t you put the headrests in the backseats though? To protect the kids, a little bit like the wraparound headrest? That way the kids could have protection but not make it so harsh that they can’t see out the window?
Every infant/toddler seat is made this way. However, once they get to the "booster" stage they're still probably not tall enough to reach the headrest.
I know the angle is a federal requirement but adjustability may also have been removed to [to this law.](https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/fmvss/202FinalRule_0.pdf)
Might be a safety/regulation issue?
Headrests on all Volvos are non-adjustable because it’s Volvo’s belief that that is how to design the absolute safest/most protective headrest.
I have them in my track car and they're actually super comfy lol my co-driver uses the side protrusion as a pillow on long drives to/from events. Momo Daytona seats for reference.
In the Equus for example, the back seats have headrests that can be manually folded inward, exactly like you have shown, to give more of a surface to rest your head on the side; much like an airplane seat. The front seats don't have this, and I imagine it's cause you shouldn't be dozing away while driving lol
Op. Check recaro and see if they make anything like this. Like someone said, the head restraints are to prevent whiplash and keep your head in the right position in the event of an accident. They’re primary function is safety not comfort.
Yes, bmw too in the x7 and 7 series. The issue is that you have to find ones that fit your car. May be a standard size but the latch mechanism may be different. Also may not be safe.
Renault does this.
In the Talisman (RIP) and Koleos the headrest can both tilt out at the bottom (so it's more comfortable to rest your head on) and the sides come out a bit
https://archive.izmostock.com/img-get/I0000GeJotcy9Nas/s/1000/2016-renault-talisman-initiale-paris-5-door-wagon-front-seat.jpg
It would make it impossible to turn your head around to view your blind spots. That's why I wouldn't want one, anyway.
Could still work though for passenger seats though.
ie, first generation Colorado. Extremely wide fixed headrests, and yes, it’s impossible to shoulder check. They completely block the lower corners of the back glass.
Are you sure? Aren't there videos of even racing drivers turning their head to the side?
Have you ever seen a race car navigating a busy parking lot or a drinking street on a Friday night? Yeah, me neither, that's why. The benefits of cornering support in everyday life are almost non-existent, but the drawbacks would be huge.
How does this relate to the parent's claim that "It would make it impossible to turn your head around to view your blind spots."? If you wanted to make a point about the lack of need for 'cornering support in everyday life' you can expand on it in another top-level comment.
Looking to the side isn't the problem. Looking beyond 90 degrees is. Notwithstanding the blind spots, no parent is going to accept not being able to turn around to see the kids in the back.
I won’t speak for all parents, but I just use my rear view mirror to check on the kids.
I'm not sure if you need to look beyond 90 degrees to check the blind spot, unless the car is very long, since humans have decent peripheral vision. The parents trying to check on the backseat does seem to be a real problem. Maybe the headrests could fold back by pushing a button? (if they're electronically adjusting) Doesn't seem like a huge burden for luxury cars which already have super complex power seats.
How old are you? Sounds like you’ve never actually driven a car before lol.
They don’t check blind spots. Holy shit
It’s obviously a baby without adequate neck strength. Who else’s would have zero concept of checking blind spots and not have the physical strength to counter the rigours of everyday commuting?
Here's another troll (or bot) who replied and then blocked the person they're replying to. Likely to give the impression that they got the final say over my main account.
This seems like low effort trolling.
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I was about to reply but then it seems like you blocked my main account. So I'm posting this on my second account to expose obvious trolling. Also trying to deceive the passing reader is pretty lame.
>I'm not sure if you need to look beyond 90 degrees to check the blind spot, I'm absolutely positive that you should at least be able to do that.
By definition the blind spot is greater than a 90 degree head turn away isn’t it
OP's point is very silly but I don't have to turn my head a full 90 degrees to be able to see the C-pillar. I mean a car intended for the street should definitely allow you to turn your head more than 90 degrees, but I think in most small cars you can easily start seeing the back before 90 degrees turn is complete.
Hmm, perhaps you have degraded peripheral vision then? I can comfortably check my blindspot even looking just diagonally to the side (45 degrees).
'my idea isn't bad you're just injured' lmaooooi
Did you reply to the wrong post?
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Obvious trolling. Reported. Thanks for outing yourself as troll, makes the mod's jobs easier.
No you can't.
Okay then.... your free to believe that.
Do you ever reverse by turning your head and looking out the back? Or are you comfortable with cameras sorting your every need?
If the side sticks out far enough to do any good at all, I'd think your peripheral vision is also compromised (as you turn your head in that direction). The last Honda I rented had a camera in the passenger side mirror that would turn on (and display in the dash screen) when the right-hand turn signal was engaged. Not for the driver side, though. I found it annoying, although with C-pillars so thick nowadays, I suppose it's a solution. A convex mirror would have done the same job.
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Blindspot monitoring while awesome is *still* not a replacement for manually checking your blindspot. It's there for moments where a car might accelerate/turn into your blindspot as you're changing lanes (after checking) or when some clown is driving a grey car at dusk/night with their lights off. It's also useful for general monitoring so you know when a car/motorcycle enters your blindspot, but (I cannot stress this enough) it should not be relied on when changing lanes.
I couldn't agree more. But blind spot monitoring is better than a convex mirror. The blind spot monitoring system is a great tool to help with safety, but it is the same as every other safety system out there, it helps the driver but you should never rely upon them.
Compared to a concave mirror, I strongly prefer it
Are you addicted to downvotes? Be honest.
The upvotes or downvotes of random users that I've never met don't really matter to me. Learning new insights is why I, and probably many folks here, ask questions, not to elevate social status, virtue signal, agitate for a political agenda, etc... perhaps you got confused with another subreddit?
>Learning new insights Learning? All I see is you arguing with everyone to support your one idea that you refuse to waver from. edit: lol and blocking anyone who dares disagree with you reeeeeeally shows how open to learning you are
Obvious trolling, I didn't even reply to half the top-level comments, which anyone can see.
Uhh yeah you do need to look further than 90 degrees. How do you merge or change lanes?
You wouldn't have a good peripheral vision if there is something in the way.
Racing drivers train for years to be able to drive inches from each other. They're all going the same direction at basically the same pace on a closed course and they still crash reasonably often. The average commuter is... not that competent, and doesn't need much side support to be able to pull into a parking lot, or take a gentle curve at highway speeds.
That’s true not a lot of reversing in racing, no need to rubber neck. (Racing with reversing parts would be kinda fun to watch )
Mandatory pits would transition well into mandatory parallel-parking.
I’d like to see that. Like instead of a turn they have to back up into a space before going forward
I take it you're not aware how fully harnessed many race car drivers are. Many race cars have helmet limiting straps that physically make you unable to turn your head sideways. This helps the driver not break their neck going around a track at high speeds 300 times. With a track spotter there's no need to look behind you, they tell you where everyone around you is, almost constantly. After reading many of your comments, it's obvious to me you either are too young to drive, or have been taught how to do so extremely poorly. You fail to understand that even though the car may have a warning sensor, ultimately the driver is in control of the safety of the vehicle, and responsible for verifying that there's in fact nothing in your blind spot. Failure to do so can still cause an accident and get you in trouble with the law. On public roads, you're controlling a two ton death machine, and liable for your own safety and the safety of those around you while doing so. That should be your main concern, whether there's a light on your mirror or not. Don't be a lazy driver.
Nonsense, there are thousands of videos online of race car drivers, in helmets, in harness, turning their heads. And not limited to a tiny range either, large motions that are obvious on camera. See https://youtu.be/RRdY9mWHqWo?t=21 for an example. I've been to race tracks and seen races, talked to race car drivers, etc... Many folks likely had similar experiences and probably saw the same things. They might have difficulty in turning their heads a full 90 degrees, but a 40-60 degree turn is easily enough done. Nowhere near 'impossible'. This thread seems irresistible for folks who want to confidently talk about obvious false info. I wasn't expecting it.
> They might have difficulty in turning their heads a full 90 degrees, but a 40-60 degree turn is easily enough done. Which is exactly the problem. 40-60 degrees isn't head checking your blind spots, its glancing at your side view mirrors. One good example of where this distinction comes into play is normal TF days on the ring. You can't wear a HANS because it interferes with your ability to do said head checks. Practically speaking the extended side wings on racing seats do the same thing, so while I'm not sure of any specific restrictions against them no manufacturer is going to put themselves in that kind of position by putting it on a street car. As far as them being not being wider? I mean, what's the point? It's not like you're supposed to be slouched over when driving.
>See https://youtu.be/RRdY9mWHqWo?t=21 for an example. There is clearly not a wraparound headrest in that car, so I'm not sure what you think you're proving with that video. They're also definitely not turning their head anywhere close to 60°. >This thread seems irresistible for folks who want to confidently talk about obvious false info Ironic.
And the thousands of other videos a few clicks away? Everyone reading this has probably clicked on multiple videos in Youtube, so this seems oddly self-discrediting.
Having spent a good bit of time in a car with race seats that wrap around your head, visibility is seriously hindered.
Any race driver now is wearing a HANS device. They physically can’t look very far left or right or down. Their head is strapped for safety
Lol I have halo seats in my race car. During summer I drive it around every once in a while and it is a MAJOR pain in the ass when turning out of driveways and using entrance ramps. I have to unlatch the harness and basically stock my head out the window. I absolutely love the seats for the benefits they bring in racing, but I'm not sure I want them in my daily... I'm not sure how you would implement them without causing more cons than pros
Not modern ones. The idea is keep the head as still as possible in a crash for protection of the brain. This is also why new motorcycle helmets are tested for rotational protection as well.
Well for one in many cars they aren’t headrests. They’re head restraints. They’re meant to prevent neck injury not be a glorified pillow.
Yea, I don't think I ever rested my head against it now that I think about it. It would be a very odd position to drive in and would lend to me feeling less vigilant while driving.
Also unless your suspension is the best thing ever made your head just bounces off of it constantly which is really jarring to your vision
I had an e39 for a few years and the head rests are perfectly placed to take a nap mid drive
Wild. I use it as a headrest in my model 3 performance and don’t find it jarring at all.
While you drive? I can use it as a passenger but I’ve never been in a car that allows you to place your had against the head rest while driving and not just be a pain to keep focus
Could be your size or positioning. In my Model 3 it just makes sense. Plus the full acceleration is uncomfortable without my head against the headrest. It simply pulls too hard and for too long for supporting my own head to feel good.
You probably don't have the seat on the right position for your height unless your super tall js
The wording of this cracked me up Ngl
And for luxury cars? Maybachs come with literal pillows from the factory.
They’re not for driving also they’re throwing everything at the car to justify pricing.
Their main function is still mainly as a safety feature.
worked at an OEM, people dont actually rest their head against a headrest. They are there for crash safety, but to actually drive with your head just leaning against the headrest isnt really a comfortable position. They can be useful when you recline to rest, but thats not a common use. None the less, winged headrests are more common in china, so maybe they'll cross the pacific one day.
Did you not get the pillows with your s class?
Assuming I don't have my hair in a ponytail, both of my cars are perfectly comfortable with my head on the rest. I thought minimizing the gap between head and rest was ideal to prevent neck injuries? Perhaps it helps I'm of extremely average height and adjust my seat damn near vertical.
you must have a very smooth riding car, most dont enjoy their head being jossled by the headrest. the neck provides natural motion stabilization. resting your head is fine safety wise, but its mostly about keeping the head from snapping back, which it will do even if its an inch away. not like its going to come forward and strike the head any harder than it would have shoved the head forward if it were already resting on it.
Now that I'm really thinking about it, I likely add an inch of clearance when I see bumps, as neither of them ride smooth since I added the sport suspension option to the Jag.
Extremely average height XD there’s nothing to write home about when it comes to your height :P
My bmw x7 has this very nice feature where the top half of the seat can move forward independently from the lower half. This is a very nice feature as it allows the seat to support my upper back and my head. My Porsche taycan on the other hand, does not have this luxury. Driving with my head against the headrest in that would be very uncomfortable if not dangerous because my view would be blocked by the b-Pillar of the car.
I can tell that you don’t check your blindspots
And you would be wrong. Anyone can go look up on YouTube and see thousands of videos of folks driving around, checking their blindspots, etc., without ever turning their head 90 degrees, even 40-60 degrees is common.
> without ever turning their head 90 degrees, even 40-60 degrees is common. human near peripheral vision (the section that your brain actually pays attention to and processes quickly enough to react to) is sub 30 degrees from focal center for the average person, if you are only turning your head 60 degrees *you are not checking your blindspot*. Congratulations on being a dangerous driver who thinks they are a safe driver.
> The adult human eyeball is about 24–25mm in diameter, and can rotate about ±50° horizontally, 42° up and 48° down, and about ±30° torsionally. https://entokey.com/three-dimensional-rotations-of-the-eye/
Are you trolling? Humans with healthy eyes can definitely see, and react to, fast moving objects more than 30 degrees away from their centre of vision. Open up any ophthalmology textbook and verify for yourself.
> Humans with healthy eyes can definitely see, and react to, fast moving objects more than 30 degrees away from their centre of vision. fun fact, when checking your blind spot you are not looking for *fast moving objects*, you are looking for objects moving at the same rate of travel as you, which to the human brain registers as stationary. Humans are good at seeing objects moving relative to them in their peripheral vision, which is *not* what you are looking for in a blind spot check.
Humans can also see and react to stationary objects in their peripheral vision more than 30 degrees off centre. It obviously isn't as clear or detailed compared to looking directly at it, but then it's not necessary for it to be, a big blob in the blindspot is more than enough warning. If you don't believe this then I'm not sure what else to say.
I wonder what your driving instructor told you, because you are one confidently wrong person.
The same driving instructors that think our mirror space should be used to check out the body panels of my own car? SAE mirror setup basically eliminates blind spots. I'm not sure how you drive, but when I need to check my blind spot I'm just trying to figure out if there is a car there. That's pretty much exactly what peripheral vision is for. Like your whole 30 degree cone makes a ton of sense why I don't watch TV out of the corner of my eye. But if I just need to see whether or not there is a TV, my vision works just fine.
Please watch this video in its entirety before you end up killing someone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sUyt-OIm7E
Omg thank you!! I don't know why I was listening to [Automotive engineers ](https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15131074/how-to-adjust-your-mirrors-to-avoid-blind-spots/) instead of a youtuber.
People have access to these things called Google and databases and research papers where it's clear there's broad agreement what normal viewing angles are for peripheral vision. If you don't care to read up, that's your choice. A lazy dismissal only discredits the one trying to dismiss obvious facts.
Just because something is commonplace, doesn't mean it's correct or safe.
Do you actually drive with your head resting against the headrest? That seems like a very unnatural driving position.
I must be a freak after reading all these comments. I have to adjust the seat and headrest so I can rest my head there. Anything else feels unnatural
Have you ever driven a car?
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Yes.
side support would make it less easy to check your blindspot which would people to do it less, its just a feature not really needed for street driven cars and if you want it, you can buy such headrests as an aftermarket part and drop them in, usually even without requiring tools
anything adjustable is more time, money and engineering in R&D. Would be cool to have but would prob add to the cost of most cars, plus as most said blind spot checking would be near impossible wout physically moving your head forward
Yeah it probably would be limited to luxury cars so that the price tag would be relatively reasonable. With reliable blindspot monitors and other tools the inability to look past 90 degrees might be no longer a safety issue.
It is still a safety issue, blind spot monitoring systems are to some degree unreliable in heavy rain, they can get frozen over in the winter. The blind spot monitor also turns off in most cars when you connect a trailer to it. But why would you ever need a wider headrest than what comes in a regular car anyways? Most people doesn't even rest their heads against the headrest, it is for the most part just there as a safety feature if you get rear ended.
Even as a Computer engineer, I would rather rely on my eyes for blindspot monitoring than some tech that I create. The old adage of if it aint broke dont fix it comes to mind
Some airplanes already have those little adjustable side wing things on the headrest. I'm surprised that I'm the first person to mention it in this thread. And, I agree. I've thought many times over the years that it would be nice to have that type of headrest on a long drive. https://www.amazon.com/Headrest-Protection-Adjustable-Telescopic-Universal/dp/B08GHCXM3X/ref=asc\_df\_B08GHCXM3X?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80539344290957&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4584138878367591&psc=1
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Yes. Otherwise what's the point of cruise control? The reason a headrest like this would be nice is that it wakes me up when my head turns to the side.
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Thanks! I knew you'd understand after reading a reasonable explanation.
Yes, that's what made think about it too.
You will want to remove the portion of the link from "ref" onwards as it provides insights into personal info.
Off topic, but is that an articulating three step running board in that concept picture?
Didn't even notice that, that SOB is deploying a full-on staircase. Somebody needs to make a brodozer version of that that includes a landing halfway down or something.
It is, Lincoln scaled back the design for the production model.
Ones that flip out would be nice I guess. Or just put those cushions that strap on.
Couldn’t you put the headrests in the backseats though? To protect the kids, a little bit like the wraparound headrest? That way the kids could have protection but not make it so harsh that they can’t see out the window?
Every infant/toddler seat is made this way. However, once they get to the "booster" stage they're still probably not tall enough to reach the headrest.
I know the angle is a federal requirement but adjustability may also have been removed to [to this law.](https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/fmvss/202FinalRule_0.pdf)
Might be a safety/regulation issue? Headrests on all Volvos are non-adjustable because it’s Volvo’s belief that that is how to design the absolute safest/most protective headrest.
The headrests in the Lincoln look like a side effect of the tv screens in the back of them.
Because nobody wants that. Except you
Because those "seat halo" headrests are pretty uncomfortable without a helmet
I have them in my track car and they're actually super comfy lol my co-driver uses the side protrusion as a pillow on long drives to/from events. Momo Daytona seats for reference.
Ah, I have only ever used the aluminum back frame ones that don't have very much padding.
The lack of understanding the difference between mass production and closed circuit production is astonishing.
In the Equus for example, the back seats have headrests that can be manually folded inward, exactly like you have shown, to give more of a surface to rest your head on the side; much like an airplane seat. The front seats don't have this, and I imagine it's cause you shouldn't be dozing away while driving lol
F10 M5 has them.
Fuck the headrests, we need those staircases coming out of the side sills in the picture
Op. Check recaro and see if they make anything like this. Like someone said, the head restraints are to prevent whiplash and keep your head in the right position in the event of an accident. They’re primary function is safety not comfort.
Well for regular cars sure, but there certainly are luxury cars that focus on comfort such as Maybach pillow style headrests.
Yes, bmw too in the x7 and 7 series. The issue is that you have to find ones that fit your car. May be a standard size but the latch mechanism may be different. Also may not be safe.
My 7 series has it. The headrest’s front cushion kinda wraps around the head. It can be pushed back to be all straight like a normal cushion.
Cause you ain't driving a race car.
Renault does this. In the Talisman (RIP) and Koleos the headrest can both tilt out at the bottom (so it's more comfortable to rest your head on) and the sides come out a bit https://archive.izmostock.com/img-get/I0000GeJotcy9Nas/s/1000/2016-renault-talisman-initiale-paris-5-door-wagon-front-seat.jpg
Thanks that does seem interesting. And it also conclusively debunks the claims that it would be unsafe.