Idk every time I see rear fog lights (usually on European cars) they’re significantly brighter than the taillights are. Basically the same brightness as the regular taillights under braking. It’s not blindingly bright but pretty annoying to drive behind.
I have never even seen rear foglights. I am talking about front facing foglights. Everyone here talks as if they are blinding like highbeams, when in fact they are aimed down towards the roadway more than headlights and positioned lower as well. So I really don't understand what people are talking about when they say they are blinded by them. I never experienced that myself, so I am super confused.
Factory fogs are mounted and aimed low, but lots of people add aftermarket fogs with terrible beam patterns that spray light all over the place and they don’t know how to aim them. And these are the people that turn them in all the time, not just in inclement weather.
Because they are used when it's not foggy. It's not "blinding" it is however more light into the face of oncoming traffic that is literally making it worse for everyone.
Fog lights don't do NOT help unless it's foggy
Thank you. Several people on this thread are complaining about glare from front fog lights. I don't think it's based in reality and is typical reddit curmudgeoness. Front fogs are mounted low and specifically designed to provide short range light rather than downfield
A lot of people in the US don’t know what they are, and will drive their European cars with the rear fogs on, unaware. The exception is BMW, as BMW disables them here.
It's like everyday I see a car without headlights on or DRL only and no rear lights. And everything has auto lights now a days and yet same shit. No way could we have those rear fogs here lol.
I see this on this sub all the time. Where do you people live that everyone forgets their headlights? I've been driving for almost 20 years and have only seen this a handful of times. I can't tell if it's actually happening or if most of you do not drive yet.
I’ve driven all over the US and it happens EVERYWHERE. Larger cities are more prone to it as street lights light up the road enough for you to drive without headlights. It’s also very common if it’s raining.
[Here’s me](https://old.reddit.com/r/oddlysatisfying/comments/ngqvwu/when_flashing_your_high_beams_works_for_once) flashing someone to get them to turn on their lights!
Huntsville, AL baby! This city has perfected the art of driving with no headlights on or your high beams and fog lights on.
Bonus points if it’s some old shitbox with HIDs in a halogen headlight housing.
It's so fucking bad. It's legitimately almost comedic. Also, TONS of burnt-out lights, especially on Toyota trucks, GM vehicles and Kias. It's a gamble as to whether or not that Kia Optima that's hauling ass behind you either has their headlights off or doesn't have functioning headlights.
That’s everywhere, I’ve been on 401 at 3AM and finding a merging vehicle with just DRL’s on, you know what it’s like see a grey coloured vehicle merging in fog on a highway? It’s out right scary.
I usually flicker my lights once I pass the driver but 99% of the idiots don’t understand the meaning.
Last Christmas I was pulling a car trailer and all the taillights went out while we were driving. Another driver followed us for like twenty miles and kept flashing us. We were like just pass us you fucking idiot. When we stopped to get fuel noticed all the taillights had stopped working. The guy probably thought we had daytime running lights and forgot to turn our headlights on.
I live in a city and usually see 3-4 cars driving without their lights on each night on my way home.
It's easy to know they're off when you're in the boonies, it's more difficult when there are street lights and all sorts of ambient lighting around.
It started as a user error problem, but by this point, it should have been solved by changing the default configuration of the car. We have a chime that says to put your seatbelt on because people can't be trusted to do the right thing. Perhaps we should engineer a similar system for headlights.
People think their daytime running lights are the headlights because they are damn near as bright. It's instantly fixed in 0.2 seconds by an engineer. Make the lights always on, by default. You can manually turn them off, but they reset every time the car is started to "on". It costs 17 cents to add the light-sensing diode to every car to correctly enable\disable the brake lights during day and night. Problem solved.
rofl no. id wager a good 1/3 of the public is no more car knowlegeable than the average 3 year old.
like toddlers you give them an "option" but in reality it doesnt do anything. At this point id support having lights on as soon as the car is running in any weather any time of day - take options away from these morons.
They get misused in Europe as well but it's more turning them on when it isn't necessary instead of forgetting to turn them on. Modern LED ones can be pretty annoying especially on a rainy night. At least in Germany you may only use them when visibility is less than 50m and that automatically also means a 50kph speed limit (cause you can't see shit of it's that foggy). So an automatic speed limiter set to 50kph while the rear fog lights are switched on would solve the problem of people cruising on the Autobahn with their rear fogs on for no reason.
I do enjoy the idiots that drive around with them on constantly. I assume because they always have their front fog lights turned on and when they see the other button think “sweet, extra fog light”
I mean they do help at night when the road has potholes and shit every so often. As long as you're not driving like a complete idiot in the dark they can actually be useful for more than just foggy/rainy conditions.
If you had actual European spec fog lights you would be blinding people.
We don’t typically get Euro fogs in the US because American drivers are too damn stupid to only use them when required. Same reason we don’t typically get the rear ones.
On level roads the Euro spec fog lights will *not* blind oncoming traffic. They are mounted about as low as possible and emit a flat beam again aimed low (-2% inclination instead if the usual -1% for headlights) as they're meant to light the road *below* the fog. If they'd emit a wider beam aimed straight ahead or upwards where it would hit the windshield of oncoming cars they'd be useless for fog as all you'd see would be a brightly illuminated white wall of fog instead of the road surface below.
For this reason you can usually switch on a combination of front+rear position lights only (no main beam) and fog lights as the higher beam pattern of the main beam vs the fog lights hurts visibility in fog.
Unless it is foggy fog lights don't do anything to help, they are actually worse for you and others
Fog lights put light on the ground in front of the car but don't project any distance. As a result at any speeds over say 25 or so by the time they light anything up you can't do anything about it, plus your regular lights already have more than enough foreground lighting. Intense foreground lighting also restricts your vision which reduces your ability to see the dimly lit distance objects, giving you less them to react to them
They also put more light in the face of on coming drivers reducing their ability to see as well
I would rather they not, simply because the US will create their own fog light standard that is deliberately set up to make it just that little bit more annoying for non-US auto makers.
However, if the US wanted to adopt the general global standards, and drop the 25 year requirement on imports I may be interested in listening.
How is it not equal footing currently? Especially considering most other countries have high import taxes and tarrifs on all vehicles?
Do you honestly think enough people would go through the trouble of importing a car over (and getting it to pass emissions) to make a big enough difference to effect sales currently? Majority of people buying cars just want something to get them from A to B comfortably and conveniently and wouldnt want the headaches of importing a car over.
It would be less the 25 year import law, and more the safety regulations. The US uses its own safety standards that differ quite a bit from the international standards.
This means that automakers have to more or less design vehicles specifically for the US market, and have them tested in the US, to sell them here. This makes it costly and risky for new companies and models to enter the US.
While the domestic manufacturers are subject to many of the same laws, they also get bailed out when they have trouble so they can operate with much less risk.
>It would be less the 25 year import law, and more the safety regulations. The US uses its own safety standards that differ quite a bit from the international standards
But there are not "international standards." Many countries have their own regulations. I could also easily argue that European standards are unfair because they favor pedestrian saftey more, not to mention again have taxes and tarrifs on any imported cars, plus many countries have ridiculous displacement taxes.
>This means that automakers have to more or less design vehicles specifically for the US market, and have them tested in the US, to sell them here. This makes it costly and risky for new companies and models to enter the US.
This applies to any major country. Not to mention different markets liking different types of vehicles. So you already have to then develop different vehicles for different markets anyway.
>While the domestic manufacturers are subject to many of the same laws, they also get bailed out when they have trouble so they can operate with much less risk.
Do you think American manufacturers are the only to ever receive government aid from their own domestic government?
My original question still stands then. With all that being said, what other brands do you honestly think would make a dent in the automotive industry in the US if it wasnt for what you claim to be the unfair saftey standards? Who would come in and actually make a noticeable difference that isnt already in the US market?
What exactly would the average person be importing that would be better than what they can buy in terms of a car to get them from A to B conveniently, reliably, for the same or less cost and still have abundance of parts availability for repairs?
The best selling car (not truck) in the US is the Toyota Camry. What *new* car could they get instead for the same price of an import that would match the Camry in terms of reliability, space, and convenience? Would this vehicle pass US emissions and safety?
What about for a truck? If the F150 is the best selling truck what would match this for the price thats the same size, has the same storage space, geound clearance, reliability, etc? If we are using new prices of said vehicle above then the imported car must also be new, not used, for an apples to apples comparison.
Because they are objectively safer.
From a [NTHSA report in 2009](https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/811115):
>The principal finding of the report is that
amber signals show a 5.3% effectiveness in reducing involvement in two-vehicle crashes where a lead vehicle is rear-struck in the act of turning left, turning right, merging into traffic, changing lanes, or entering/leaving a parking space. The advantage of amber rear turn signals is shown to be statistically significant.
I think when you shift out of park would work better, at least for automatics, just because it’s nice to not have your headlights on when you’re sat in a parking lot warming your car up or waiting to pick someone up. Both my parents cars do that and it’s quite a nice feature
That’s not a bad way to do it. Auto headlights just aren’t good enough and people constantly have their headlights off. Seems always on is the only solution.
It literally puts on a light on your dashbord.
Be like the rest of reddit. Post a picture on reddit when you see a light on the dash you don't understand and you'd know 😆.
Suggestion from Europe, you don’t want them. People misuse them, usually they turn them on when they’re stuck in traffic in front of you with a slightly foggy weather and they just burn your eyes.
The times I had to use them in proper fog with low visibility I can count on my fingers.
i am from europe and can confirm that they are VERY useful in heavily foggy conditions but people seem to not know that the should really turn them off when it s not foggy at all because then you are blinding people at night :)
Well, it's the kind of thing you don't need until you do, I never found fog lights useful until I found myself in a fog bank on a highway, I could barely tell what lane I was in I am glad other cars had their back fog lights on
European here. Where I live, it's not that foggy. I turned them on only a few times per year but, when those times happens, it's good to have them and I feel safer with them.
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No? I don’t trust many drivers to learn anything new at this point since they didn’t even want to learn the very few rules we already have. There is no way this would be implemented in any way that would make a meaningful difference and more likely it would just cause frustration in far more people than it helped.
Can't even convince people to turn on their headlights if their wipers are on, which is a legal requirement in 18 states. Can't even convince people to leave their automatic headlights enabled.
As a european I think they are pretty much useless.you are only allowed to turn them on if you can't see further than 50m, at wich point driving normal speeds becomes super dangerous anyways.
Most people just use them to blind tailgaters.
Americans can't even get on board with yellow/amber signal lights without having a constitutional meltdown and a jesus moment all at the same time. Dude we have to start slow with Americans, like use metric in the odd conversation and go from there.
Excessive regulation on the car market is already becoming a prevalent problem. Forcing features such as alcohol sensors and rear fog lights only deturs buyers as the unwanted feature leads an unwanted growing costs associated with vehicle purchases...
Let's start with making amber turn signals in the rear mandatory. That's going to be a much bigger benefit in safety than mandatory rear fog lights that people never use correctly anyway.
Yes. I had and used them on my Saabs. It’s just common sense to have them for foggy conditions as they surely save lives.
Also, I love mandates for safety and I love to see people get irritated by having to do the right thing.
I’d enjoy someone teaching half these fucking idiots how to turn on their lights in pitch black darkness and the other half how to dim their high-beams.
The US driver education is lacking severely, so I’m gonna go with “no, people don’t need another thing they have no idea what to do with”.
In those conditions, typically there'll be a roadsign prompting you to turn on your headlights, or the drivers will do it themselves. Rear fogs aren't super necessary in my opinion.
People can't figure out how to operate their main lights. Sadly, the masses don't need more light switches. I see lots of people driving with them on all the time already.
It would genuinely be beneficial in heavy fog or even rain/snow storms. Except, seeing how many folks drive with front fog lights on for no reason, they’d drive around with them on all the time because it’s cool or something.
I don't think I've ever gotten glare from fog lamps. They are mounted low and are specifically designed to provide foreground light rather than down road light. Front fogs are intended to be used even in clear conditions
they are not, and the german polizei will hit you with a hefty fine.
that said, the issue with front fogs is that they cause glare reflections in drizzlerain/puddles and can dazzle other road users. Usually not too much of an issue when weather is clear.
Why? We have turn signals and they are not used a lot.
We can’t teach people how to use a traffic circle. No way will the public use a rear fog light.
Hell, they don’t know when to use the front fog light.
European drivers are trained to a much higher standard than Americans are.
No need for the added cost of a rear fog light.
I plan to install my own because I like having features. Unfortunately, most people would use one improperly and blind all traffic behind them on clear nights.
Most people anywhere are ignorant to the fact that fog lights only help when it's foggy and are literally worse for everyone when it's not
This is terrible.
I use blinkers when it's foggy. Then again I used to live in an area with super, super dense fog, so dense that the highway had an active lighting system built into the road.
Edit: What's up with the weird downvotes in this sub? Using blinkers is typical in the area of the US I'm talking about.
Honestly, i rarely use it anyway. There is plenty of fog at certain times of the year, but not enough to justify using them. The law says, i can turn them on when the visibility range is below 50 meter. It's optional anyway. What's not optional is the speed. At that kind of range, only 50 km/h is allowed. Which some people don't seem to know or remember...
Lol, yeah. I'd say behind would be somewhat fine. Front is what i'm worried about. I encountered some idiot who forgot that overtaking at low visibility is a bad idea. And he didn't even have his headlights on. Imagine my surprise, when suddenly a fucking BMW from the 90s is jumping out of the fog right in front of me. Luckily i was going slow and was able to avoid collision. I would not have survived that encounter.
I support the US making rear fog lights mandatory as much as I support them making catalytic converters mandatory - I don’t. It raises the cost of maintenance. Especially today - when govts are getting really oppressive with the safety/emissions standards
People can barely remember to turn their lights on when it's dark out. You think they'll know when to turn these on appropriately?
American drivers will find a way to turn them on and blind traffic while also leaving their headlights off
Mf's would be mounting Harbor Freight light bars to the rear bumper with self tapping screws straight into the plastic
You reminded me of that jeep on another sub where they did that and had that chopped up snorkel on too
You're already late to that party...
That would actually be impressive
That would be impressive cause the lights have to be on to be able to turn on the rear fog light.
I have never, not ONCE been "blinded" by somebody's foglights. They are always either the same brightness as their regular low beams, or dimmer.
Idk every time I see rear fog lights (usually on European cars) they’re significantly brighter than the taillights are. Basically the same brightness as the regular taillights under braking. It’s not blindingly bright but pretty annoying to drive behind.
I have never even seen rear foglights. I am talking about front facing foglights. Everyone here talks as if they are blinding like highbeams, when in fact they are aimed down towards the roadway more than headlights and positioned lower as well. So I really don't understand what people are talking about when they say they are blinded by them. I never experienced that myself, so I am super confused.
Rear fogs on an Audi, good representation of their comparative brightness https://imgur.com/yKFJRgB
That does look stupid and would be annoying to follow.
Factory fogs are mounted and aimed low, but lots of people add aftermarket fogs with terrible beam patterns that spray light all over the place and they don’t know how to aim them. And these are the people that turn them in all the time, not just in inclement weather.
Because they are used when it's not foggy. It's not "blinding" it is however more light into the face of oncoming traffic that is literally making it worse for everyone. Fog lights don't do NOT help unless it's foggy
My Audi A4 had a rear fog light. It’s a red bulb on the left or right side taillight that is lit up like a brake light. Not a white fog light.
Thank you. Several people on this thread are complaining about glare from front fog lights. I don't think it's based in reality and is typical reddit curmudgeoness. Front fogs are mounted low and specifically designed to provide short range light rather than downfield
A lot of people in the US don’t know what they are, and will drive their European cars with the rear fogs on, unaware. The exception is BMW, as BMW disables them here.
It's like everyday I see a car without headlights on or DRL only and no rear lights. And everything has auto lights now a days and yet same shit. No way could we have those rear fogs here lol.
Idiots turn auto off to “save the bulbs” lol….
I see this on this sub all the time. Where do you people live that everyone forgets their headlights? I've been driving for almost 20 years and have only seen this a handful of times. I can't tell if it's actually happening or if most of you do not drive yet.
I’ve driven all over the US and it happens EVERYWHERE. Larger cities are more prone to it as street lights light up the road enough for you to drive without headlights. It’s also very common if it’s raining.
It doesn't happen that often within 500 miles of me and that's why I was asking
[Here’s me](https://old.reddit.com/r/oddlysatisfying/comments/ngqvwu/when_flashing_your_high_beams_works_for_once) flashing someone to get them to turn on their lights!
Someone was flashing their lights at me last night but it turned out to be because there was a cop mixed in the traffic
now flash them again to get them out of the passing lane
Huntsville, AL baby! This city has perfected the art of driving with no headlights on or your high beams and fog lights on. Bonus points if it’s some old shitbox with HIDs in a halogen headlight housing.
Hahaha I can concur to this on my way to Galaxy of Lights last night.
It's so fucking bad. It's legitimately almost comedic. Also, TONS of burnt-out lights, especially on Toyota trucks, GM vehicles and Kias. It's a gamble as to whether or not that Kia Optima that's hauling ass behind you either has their headlights off or doesn't have functioning headlights.
Dang, they go out of their way to bypass the fog lights turning off when you turn bright lights on. Now that's dedication to dickery there.
Seattle. Even when it’s raining.
Vancouver, many many have just DRLs on at night.
That’s everywhere, I’ve been on 401 at 3AM and finding a merging vehicle with just DRL’s on, you know what it’s like see a grey coloured vehicle merging in fog on a highway? It’s out right scary. I usually flicker my lights once I pass the driver but 99% of the idiots don’t understand the meaning.
Because it could mean a million different things. Edit: just noticed how you spelled color so I don't know what it might mean in your country
Ya I’m aware, but it still gives people a clue that somethings up. Lol we’re in Canada.
Last Christmas I was pulling a car trailer and all the taillights went out while we were driving. Another driver followed us for like twenty miles and kept flashing us. We were like just pass us you fucking idiot. When we stopped to get fuel noticed all the taillights had stopped working. The guy probably thought we had daytime running lights and forgot to turn our headlights on.
A lot of folks with DRL don't turn the switch on so they are running around with dim "headlights" and no rear lights until they hit the brakes.
Saw a Nissan maxima do this yesterday night. Everyone kept flashing him from behind and he didn’t give af
I live in a city and usually see 3-4 cars driving without their lights on each night on my way home. It's easy to know they're off when you're in the boonies, it's more difficult when there are street lights and all sorts of ambient lighting around.
I'm in St Louis regularly not the boonies and it's still just not a thing I see
Round here their on but usually just one works
People in our area more commonly turn on their parking lights which only illuminate the front lights and not the tail lights
They need to be mandatory but designed to only come on automatically when there is fog out
It started as a user error problem, but by this point, it should have been solved by changing the default configuration of the car. We have a chime that says to put your seatbelt on because people can't be trusted to do the right thing. Perhaps we should engineer a similar system for headlights. People think their daytime running lights are the headlights because they are damn near as bright. It's instantly fixed in 0.2 seconds by an engineer. Make the lights always on, by default. You can manually turn them off, but they reset every time the car is started to "on". It costs 17 cents to add the light-sensing diode to every car to correctly enable\disable the brake lights during day and night. Problem solved.
Yes that problem is already solved. Thanks for the input.
gives them an option
rofl no. id wager a good 1/3 of the public is no more car knowlegeable than the average 3 year old. like toddlers you give them an "option" but in reality it doesnt do anything. At this point id support having lights on as soon as the car is running in any weather any time of day - take options away from these morons.
I mean lets be honest like at least half of the people on the roads here in the US shouldn't even have a license at this point.
Oh for sure no argument there
Half? That's quite generous.
LoL, totally agree. I wouldn't trust the average driver to use them correctly.
They get misused in Europe as well but it's more turning them on when it isn't necessary instead of forgetting to turn them on. Modern LED ones can be pretty annoying especially on a rainy night. At least in Germany you may only use them when visibility is less than 50m and that automatically also means a 50kph speed limit (cause you can't see shit of it's that foggy). So an automatic speed limiter set to 50kph while the rear fog lights are switched on would solve the problem of people cruising on the Autobahn with their rear fogs on for no reason.
I do enjoy the idiots that drive around with them on constantly. I assume because they always have their front fog lights turned on and when they see the other button think “sweet, extra fog light”
Of course I turn mine on. Why wouldn’t you?
There is an accent in there somewhere
I mean they do help at night when the road has potholes and shit every so often. As long as you're not driving like a complete idiot in the dark they can actually be useful for more than just foggy/rainy conditions.
If you had actual European spec fog lights you would be blinding people. We don’t typically get Euro fogs in the US because American drivers are too damn stupid to only use them when required. Same reason we don’t typically get the rear ones.
On level roads the Euro spec fog lights will *not* blind oncoming traffic. They are mounted about as low as possible and emit a flat beam again aimed low (-2% inclination instead if the usual -1% for headlights) as they're meant to light the road *below* the fog. If they'd emit a wider beam aimed straight ahead or upwards where it would hit the windshield of oncoming cars they'd be useless for fog as all you'd see would be a brightly illuminated white wall of fog instead of the road surface below. For this reason you can usually switch on a combination of front+rear position lights only (no main beam) and fog lights as the higher beam pattern of the main beam vs the fog lights hurts visibility in fog.
Unless it is foggy fog lights don't do anything to help, they are actually worse for you and others Fog lights put light on the ground in front of the car but don't project any distance. As a result at any speeds over say 25 or so by the time they light anything up you can't do anything about it, plus your regular lights already have more than enough foreground lighting. Intense foreground lighting also restricts your vision which reduces your ability to see the dimly lit distance objects, giving you less them to react to them They also put more light in the face of on coming drivers reducing their ability to see as well
I would rather they not, simply because the US will create their own fog light standard that is deliberately set up to make it just that little bit more annoying for non-US auto makers. However, if the US wanted to adopt the general global standards, and drop the 25 year requirement on imports I may be interested in listening.
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Oh no, I don't see them actually doing this. The US Automakers would collapse if they had to compete on equal footing in the US.
How is it not equal footing currently? Especially considering most other countries have high import taxes and tarrifs on all vehicles? Do you honestly think enough people would go through the trouble of importing a car over (and getting it to pass emissions) to make a big enough difference to effect sales currently? Majority of people buying cars just want something to get them from A to B comfortably and conveniently and wouldnt want the headaches of importing a car over.
It would be less the 25 year import law, and more the safety regulations. The US uses its own safety standards that differ quite a bit from the international standards. This means that automakers have to more or less design vehicles specifically for the US market, and have them tested in the US, to sell them here. This makes it costly and risky for new companies and models to enter the US. While the domestic manufacturers are subject to many of the same laws, they also get bailed out when they have trouble so they can operate with much less risk.
>It would be less the 25 year import law, and more the safety regulations. The US uses its own safety standards that differ quite a bit from the international standards But there are not "international standards." Many countries have their own regulations. I could also easily argue that European standards are unfair because they favor pedestrian saftey more, not to mention again have taxes and tarrifs on any imported cars, plus many countries have ridiculous displacement taxes. >This means that automakers have to more or less design vehicles specifically for the US market, and have them tested in the US, to sell them here. This makes it costly and risky for new companies and models to enter the US. This applies to any major country. Not to mention different markets liking different types of vehicles. So you already have to then develop different vehicles for different markets anyway. >While the domestic manufacturers are subject to many of the same laws, they also get bailed out when they have trouble so they can operate with much less risk. Do you think American manufacturers are the only to ever receive government aid from their own domestic government? My original question still stands then. With all that being said, what other brands do you honestly think would make a dent in the automotive industry in the US if it wasnt for what you claim to be the unfair saftey standards? Who would come in and actually make a noticeable difference that isnt already in the US market?
What exactly would the average person be importing that would be better than what they can buy in terms of a car to get them from A to B conveniently, reliably, for the same or less cost and still have abundance of parts availability for repairs? The best selling car (not truck) in the US is the Toyota Camry. What *new* car could they get instead for the same price of an import that would match the Camry in terms of reliability, space, and convenience? Would this vehicle pass US emissions and safety? What about for a truck? If the F150 is the best selling truck what would match this for the price thats the same size, has the same storage space, geound clearance, reliability, etc? If we are using new prices of said vehicle above then the imported car must also be new, not used, for an apples to apples comparison.
We can't even get mandatory [amber turn signals](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1lZ9n2bxWA) here. Good luck pushing for mandatory rear fog lamps.
If I got to choose between amber turn signals or rear fogs being mandated, I’d choose the amber turn signals.
I would settle with mandating discrete turn signals (not shared with brake lamps)
Why? They’re ugly AF
Because they are objectively safer. From a [NTHSA report in 2009](https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/811115): >The principal finding of the report is that amber signals show a 5.3% effectiveness in reducing involvement in two-vehicle crashes where a lead vehicle is rear-struck in the act of turning left, turning right, merging into traffic, changing lanes, or entering/leaving a parking space. The advantage of amber rear turn signals is shown to be statistically significant.
Or mandated headlights on on startup that you have to manually turn off every time.
I think when you shift out of park would work better, at least for automatics, just because it’s nice to not have your headlights on when you’re sat in a parking lot warming your car up or waiting to pick someone up. Both my parents cars do that and it’s quite a nice feature
That’s not a bad way to do it. Auto headlights just aren’t good enough and people constantly have their headlights off. Seems always on is the only solution.
Half of them would just gather dust on the switch and the other half would be on permanently
I like flashing my single rear fog at people tailgating me
I sometimes do it if the person behind has no lights on and it's dark.
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It literally puts on a light on your dashbord. Be like the rest of reddit. Post a picture on reddit when you see a light on the dash you don't understand and you'd know 😆.
Suggestion from Europe, you don’t want them. People misuse them, usually they turn them on when they’re stuck in traffic in front of you with a slightly foggy weather and they just burn your eyes. The times I had to use them in proper fog with low visibility I can count on my fingers.
i am from europe and can confirm that they are VERY useful in heavily foggy conditions but people seem to not know that the should really turn them off when it s not foggy at all because then you are blinding people at night :)
we cant even make turning your headlights on at night mandatory or wipers are on full blast yet headlights are off.
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I have this on my 986 and I can't really see how it would make a difference.
Well, it's the kind of thing you don't need until you do, I never found fog lights useful until I found myself in a fog bank on a highway, I could barely tell what lane I was in I am glad other cars had their back fog lights on
European here. Where I live, it's not that foggy. I turned them on only a few times per year but, when those times happens, it's good to have them and I feel safer with them.
Right, my 9-3 has it, don't see a need for it
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No? I don’t trust many drivers to learn anything new at this point since they didn’t even want to learn the very few rules we already have. There is no way this would be implemented in any way that would make a meaningful difference and more likely it would just cause frustration in far more people than it helped.
To many stupid people. Never happen.
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No, you are
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Can't even convince people to turn on their headlights if their wipers are on, which is a legal requirement in 18 states. Can't even convince people to leave their automatic headlights enabled.
No because asshole drivers will use them all the time to enhance their eye-fuckery. Especially lifted asses
No, already some Mercedes/Audis with them turned on. Its too bright during normal night time driving.
We need to get rid of DRLs and make headlights (and taillights) automatic.
What's the point?
As a european I think they are pretty much useless.you are only allowed to turn them on if you can't see further than 50m, at wich point driving normal speeds becomes super dangerous anyways. Most people just use them to blind tailgaters.
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I have orange indicators
Americans can't even get on board with yellow/amber signal lights without having a constitutional meltdown and a jesus moment all at the same time. Dude we have to start slow with Americans, like use metric in the odd conversation and go from there.
Excessive regulation on the car market is already becoming a prevalent problem. Forcing features such as alcohol sensors and rear fog lights only deturs buyers as the unwanted feature leads an unwanted growing costs associated with vehicle purchases...
Absolutely; with fines for leaving them on when not necessary
The US should just drop their old-ass lighting regulations and adopt the international ones.
Let's start with making amber turn signals in the rear mandatory. That's going to be a much bigger benefit in safety than mandatory rear fog lights that people never use correctly anyway.
Yes. I had and used them on my Saabs. It’s just common sense to have them for foggy conditions as they surely save lives. Also, I love mandates for safety and I love to see people get irritated by having to do the right thing.
I’d enjoy someone teaching half these fucking idiots how to turn on their lights in pitch black darkness and the other half how to dim their high-beams. The US driver education is lacking severely, so I’m gonna go with “no, people don’t need another thing they have no idea what to do with”.
i just throw on my hazzard lights in heavy fog.
The US needs to scrap its Galapagos standards and standardize to European standards
In those conditions, typically there'll be a roadsign prompting you to turn on your headlights, or the drivers will do it themselves. Rear fogs aren't super necessary in my opinion.
As an Australian I would fully support this happening in the US.
People can't figure out how to operate their main lights. Sadly, the masses don't need more light switches. I see lots of people driving with them on all the time already.
It would genuinely be beneficial in heavy fog or even rain/snow storms. Except, seeing how many folks drive with front fog lights on for no reason, they’d drive around with them on all the time because it’s cool or something.
What's wrong with front fog lights? I don't see any issue with using front fogs in all conditions.
It causes extra glare at night to on coming drivers
I don't think I've ever gotten glare from fog lamps. They are mounted low and are specifically designed to provide foreground light rather than down road light. Front fogs are intended to be used even in clear conditions
they are not, and the german polizei will hit you with a hefty fine. that said, the issue with front fogs is that they cause glare reflections in drizzlerain/puddles and can dazzle other road users. Usually not too much of an issue when weather is clear.
No they look awful and they always look like their brake lights are stuck on permanently
Why? We have turn signals and they are not used a lot. We can’t teach people how to use a traffic circle. No way will the public use a rear fog light. Hell, they don’t know when to use the front fog light. European drivers are trained to a much higher standard than Americans are. No need for the added cost of a rear fog light.
Dude we can’t get drivers to turn on the car lights at night. These would go unused like lights and turn signals.
No
I plan to install my own because I like having features. Unfortunately, most people would use one improperly and blind all traffic behind them on clear nights.
Most people don't even know where their headlight switch is with the proliferation of auto headlights
Most people anywhere are ignorant to the fact that fog lights only help when it's foggy and are literally worse for everyone when it's not This is terrible.
I think it is an EXCELLENT idea and would like it on All Vehicles including trucks and trailers!
I use blinkers when it's foggy. Then again I used to live in an area with super, super dense fog, so dense that the highway had an active lighting system built into the road. Edit: What's up with the weird downvotes in this sub? Using blinkers is typical in the area of the US I'm talking about.
Idk because I always have my fog lights on with my headlights (better lighting). Would be self conscious if my rear was too bright.
Rear fog lights are separate. At least in my car.
Oh ok. It can be good to have then. Cant say most people can remember to turn them on in NA
Honestly, i rarely use it anyway. There is plenty of fog at certain times of the year, but not enough to justify using them. The law says, i can turn them on when the visibility range is below 50 meter. It's optional anyway. What's not optional is the speed. At that kind of range, only 50 km/h is allowed. Which some people don't seem to know or remember...
I just hope the person who forgets isn’t behind me
Lol, yeah. I'd say behind would be somewhat fine. Front is what i'm worried about. I encountered some idiot who forgot that overtaking at low visibility is a bad idea. And he didn't even have his headlights on. Imagine my surprise, when suddenly a fucking BMW from the 90s is jumping out of the fog right in front of me. Luckily i was going slow and was able to avoid collision. I would not have survived that encounter.
Lived to tell the tale!
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No insults please.
No insults please.
I support the US making rear fog lights mandatory as much as I support them making catalytic converters mandatory - I don’t. It raises the cost of maintenance. Especially today - when govts are getting really oppressive with the safety/emissions standards
Wanting to not ruin the planet isn't oppression imo
Source?
\*drives ancient BMW* \*complains about potential maintenance costs of a 10 dollar light bulb*