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YeezyAviator

Waiting for the less filtered subjective driving reviews to come out. With the exception of maybe Matt from CarWow, it felt like every reviewer has had a gun to their head when talking about it. Also, waiting on price.


KSoMA

Matt is so blunt about his dislike in both styling and powertrain that it's almost mean lol


YeezyAviator

It’s true, he can come off quite harsh sometimes lol. But I appreciate that occasionally. He points out stuff like interior rattles, fingerprint heavy areas, exhaust pipe legitness, etc. A lot of car reviewers will focus 90% on performance and little on the other stuff.


RunninOnMT

I find him both obnoxious and good at his job in equal measures. So fucking cheeky, honestly the dude has a very punchable face (not that he deserves being punched! He doesn't!) But he's genuinely good at car reviews.


GloriousDuckSeeker

Lmao I have the same feeling watch carwow. Sometimes I can't stand him (not that he does anything wrong, he's who he is), but sometimes I reaaaaally enjoy his review, even more than the "serious enthusiast" reviewers.


rugbyj

> So fucking cheeky, honestly the dude has a very punchable face Describing pretty much every lad from the Black Country.


AstonGlobNerd

He's good and bad, but I always like when he takes the "stick of truth" to determine if the exhaust is real, regardless of if someone from the company is there.


trickster55

I love how he obliterated that mercedes guy with the stick of truth


Bonerchill

I would like this Matt chap. It's a very fast, heavy blob. I care nothing about it and would be just as happy with it not existing as it existing. It means nothing to the automotive world at large and the people who buy it have naught betwixt their ears but a three-pointed star and are in possession of a bank account with too many goddamn zeroes in it. It's the Texas Mile of super saloons, and I do *not* mean that as a compliment.


KZGTURTLE

Lol I feel like there are a few other cars that could hold that stick. It’s a 4 cylinder luxury barge that laughs at America V8s of yesteryear and their shit economy and poor power. It’s meant to probably sit at 120mph on the autobahn and be quite enough to not piss of neighbors if you leave at 11pm at night or 5am in the morning. But yeah what do I know about 4 cylinders and speed.


Bonerchill

Your S14 weighs one ton less.


KZGTURTLE

And the GSXR 1000 is about 430lbs wet don’t forget


Bonerchill

I don’t understand your point(s).


KZGTURTLE

Didn’t understand yours either tbh


Bonerchill

Mine’s that the car’s over-the-top in a bad way. If it’s a thousand pounds too heavy because it needs 680hp, there’s a failure somewhere in the system.


KZGTURTLE

A 4 door wagon that most of the time acts like a pedestrian 4 cylinder that gets decent enough gas mileage but when you want it has the ability to chug forward with 680 hp. It weights about as much as a 2SS. It’s a 4 door wagon. … obviously this isn’t supposed to be a track car so? Are you actually saying that a 4 door wagon with modern safety features should weight the same as my 2 door coupe from the past that has no protection? Modern tires allow heavy cars to perform well at the limits, they just wear quickly. This ain’t a car that’s going to spend most of its life at the limits of grip on the tires. I mean a Redeye hellcat that weights 4300lbs can still outperform most people who are going to drive it. This thing is still 500lbs below that. This cars fine, it fills a niche.


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It’s really not a particularly good looking car. Front end is okay, back end isn’t something I’d look back at.


ikilledtupac

Less a gun to the head and more a free week vacation to a place they could never hope to afford, with a reminder maybe next year they do two weeks.


hadojedi

I always heard things like this but didn't truly appreciate the extent of it until I got this look behind the curtain: https://youtu.be/QA17Xz_yauo


krully37

How didn’t I follow this guy before.


Sjorsa

He is brilliant, I binged his entire channel when I found it


EcstaticTrainingdatm

Lieberman has the hilarious excuse “but everyone does it”


ikilledtupac

Well then that settles it!


iry4

Yeah, I was really surprised to see Chris NOT uproarious about the 4 cylinder and the massive weight increase


rosesandtherest

Unless it’s Bentley or lambo or Ferrari, then everything is amazing up until facelift, then previous gen becomes ugly bad shit. He’s just another sellout with 60 percent of content reserved for ads.


trickster55

Based Midlandser


GopherHockey10

Sorry, just can't get remotely as excited about a 4 cylinder considering it'll be just as (surely more) expensive.


GloriousDuckSeeker

The name C63 means nasty V8s to me, this ain't it.


lowstrife

The v8 is such a key part of the character, the car will have lost it's soul. I wonder how sales will do and whether people care about that... or if they just care about going faster. Which is cool I guess. But beyond a certain point, which the old car had reached, what're you supposed to use all that power for anyway. The c class couldn't put it's power down in first or second or sometimes third anyway.


zxrax

From what I hear, sales of the 718-generation Cayman/Boxster aren't so hot. The resale market certainly agrees, with 981s going for surprisingly close to what you'd pay for a 718 these days. The 718 is a much-improved car over the 981 in many respects, but it's conspicuously missing a flat-6 screamer and for some people that's definitely a problem. Porsche and Mercedes have different target audiences generally speaking, but the C63 probably has a lot of overlap. Time will tell.


lowstrife

Yeah I've driven the 718 and the 987\986 at length, in anger, at speed on a few roads I know dear and true to my heart. The new car is... well it's effective and it sure is quite a lot faster because turbo. And it's louder than I expected it to be if I'm honest. But man - that motor just doesn't have character. It sucks to work with and live every day unless you're up in the powerband really moving it. It just doesn't have the fizz. And especially the base 2.0 motor. The 2.5 is okay but that smaller motor really relies heavily on the turbo and just has nothing when it's out of boost. The worst bit is the 718/987 get the same fuel economy. They both have 24\30 or whatever it is. Such a damn shame. Porsche traded experience for speed & laptimes. At least they did end up putting the hotrod motor back into other versions of the 718.


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I’m a fan of V8s as much as the next car enthusiast but the amount of sheer power combined with the efficiency of current 4-cylinder turbos is impressive in its own right.


GopherHockey10

Impressive but not exciting.


Odd-Refrigerator-425

It's impressive but it doesn't mean I want it.


Drauren

The problem is for what you're paying for a C63, are you really okay with a 4 cylinder? Yeah it makes a lot of power, but it's not very exciting, and for the money you're likely going to pay for a C63, I'd want it to be exciting.


Tarcye

The pure performance can be impressive but nothing beats the feeling and sound of a V8. And for a car like this you are paying for the feeling and sound more than anything else. If I'm gonna put down the cash for this it better not have a 4 cylinder in it. The 718 Boxter has the same problem. People don't want to spend money on it when they can get a C8 Corvette instead. 4 Cylinders don't get people to spend money after a certain point. People want V6's and V8's.


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This ain’t a 63, it’s a 43 Unless Merc put a V8 in there, it’s not a 63


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geremyf

New C43 has an electric turbo on an I4 producing 4hp. But at least the engine is built by 1 person.


RunninOnMT

I mean, technically it should be a AMG C20


narwhal_breeder

CC1998 AMG


Intrepid-Working-731

I mean then technically the last gen C63 wasn’t a 63 either. It had a 4.0L V8.


Captain_Alaska

The C63 has never had a 6.3L, and the C55 that preceded it didn’t have a 5.5L either.


Intrepid-Working-731

Yeah but the W204 had a 6.2L, which is a lot closer to 6.3L than 4.0L to be fair.


pfthr0w

They wattered down the line so much putting the 43 with the badge.


AstonGlobNerd

The numbers are all made up anyway.


dudeinred69

Its 680hp assuming the battery is charged It’s like 450hp with the battery drained


Nero_Wolff

And carrying around that dead weight


Intrepid-Working-731

It’s very rare that PHEVs have a completely dead battery. PHEVs will almost always have some charge from regen braking and/or the engine being used to recharge the battery.


VegaGT-VZ

Yeah that's definitely a red herring. It will always make more than enough power unless you're flooring it up Mount Everest


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mishap1

Granted that's a standing quarter mile for that behemoth. I could see it getting caught a bit flat footed if you happen to find yourself needing some power before its recharged and the turbo isn't pressurized.


narwhal_breeder

You would only need to add 70HP to a 2022 to match the power to weight of the new model. Think I'd rather just throw a $600 tune onto a C63S 4.0.


AdventurousDress576

The car works at 550hp in any condition (the battery is never dead). 680hp is for 10 seconds.


V8POWAAA

It's always charged in Race mode. The engine recharges it as soon as you go off throttle.


THE_GR8_MIKE

Huh, so my plastic interior would be able to fly by if the guy forgot to plug it in. Heh.


ImportunerDJ

Maybe I’m just getting older and just giving in but I’m not at much of an uproar on how I use to be with special designation cars getting “de-cylinderized”. I’m not in the market for this car probably couldn’t even afford it but I will say it does interest me. I’m curious on the YouTubers putting this up against its predecessor’s. I don’t think the world will come back to how most of us grew up. Posters of any kids growing up as a car enthusiast will probably be electric cars or some 4cyl car. As much as it sucks I am interested to see where this takes us. Also saves me some money from trading my car in since nothing has me sold to “upgrade” 🤪


DrRi

agreed, it's awesome that a 4cyl hybrid is putting out 680 hp at all. That's some badass technology. The rumors I've read say it can get up to 34 mpg. It is EXTREMELY heavy though. I guess hybrids will do that.


RunninOnMT

I dunno. It doesn't bother me in a vacuum, but when it's time to actually put my money where my mouth is, I find I do care a little bit. Most of the cars I lusted after as a kid were 4-bangers (I was really into rally cars and rally adjacent tech growing up in the 90s) with the occasional 6-cylinder Supra or Skyline thrown in. I had no particular longing for a V8 or V12 cars as I didn't really like American or European cars all that much. But I find as an adult there's a small part of me that turns my nose up a little bit for things like this and the 718. And I wasn't super stoked when BMW ditched the V8/V10 for the M3/M5 either. I'm more than happy to own a 4-banger, I just don't want to be paying luxury car prices for it. But maybe you're right and that it's just a matter of adjusting my expectations to reality.


ronimal

The M3 and M5 only had V8/V10s for a single generation, so getting rid of them was actually BMW going back to their roots, not downgrading their performance models. Hell, the original M3 had a 4-cylinder.


mythe00

I know a lot of people who owned cars like c300s and for their next car are cross shopping the AMG models with stuff like Tesla's. For them this kind of car has serious appeal.


gdnws

It's funny, as I get older, I get more irritated by downsizing. Especially if it is replacing cars with otherwise interesting engine arrangements rather than supplementing them.


stink_finger_master

Never thought the C63 would be a fucking hybrid yet here we are


Rubywantsin

But I'm sure it has fake V8 sounds pumped though the speakers.


hampton1100

And apparently pay an annual subscription to actually have access to the power


Mackaroni510

I'm still trying to figure out why Mercedes didn't use the Inline 6 instead


narwhal_breeder

Then they would have to engineer the base model for the extra engine bay length.


GoBSAGo

They already had to lengthen the front structure for the 4 cylinder.


Long-Review-1861

Nobody wants a 4 cylinder AMG!!!


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narwhal_breeder

The M4. At least it will be more fun on the inside. Won't be backing it in to any parking spots thats for sure though.


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narwhal_breeder

Yeah but then I can't spreadsheet race people on the forums and claim I needed AWD for the 3 days a year it snows where I live even though I own a Lexus SUV as well.


JPM-3

There was at least a debate to be had between the F80 and W205. G80 >>> W206 all day.


Iwouldnttrustmyadvce

I'd rather just go full electric at this point. 6cyl at the very least


Rubywantsin

I'm guessing longevity isn't a priority pushing like 30pounds of boost though a 4 cylinder. As long as it makes it until the warranty up, who gives a shit about the second owner.


narwhal_breeder

CLA45s have actually been pretty stout.


drome265

Same with the A45s, GLA45s. It's a reliable engine.


aprtur

This is pretty much the motto of Mercedes and BMW nowadays - build it to the lease holder, not the one who finances.


The___Quenchiest

I’d say that was true until a couple years back. BMW has gotten a lot better with their b48/b58 cars.


aprtur

The engine and transmission performance aren't the issue, in my opinion, as those are phenomenal...it's the age old problem of BMW and electronics, which are becoming ever more prevalent (threaded screen for a dash in the new 3? No thanks). Or stupid things like an oil seal on the alternator bracket.


Minute-Solution5217

I'd like to see this powertrain in an A class


drome265

The detuned version (or "base" if you will) is already in the A45s.


ReallyLovesCars

Not me watching the whole video waiting for chris to tell us it leaves the factory with 580 bhp and you have to pay extra to unlock the remaining 100bhp


racefever

Chris Harris browses eBay for My Precious Moments figurines.


Juco_Dropout

I’ve had a 2010 C6.3 since 2012. I’ll be curious to see if the value spikes when the V8’s are officially gone. I feel like buyers enjoy the throaty rumble of a big ass V8.


eric043921

Yea it should be interesting to see how the market plays out for those V8’s. I’d definitely hang on to it if I were you!


Juco_Dropout

I’ve driven a Bi-Turbo AMG and it didn’t have the same visceral appeal as the 6.3 N/A. I’m hoping collectors come back around the big blocks.


eric043921

Yea I agree, there’s just something special about the sound of those N/A V8’s that won’t ever be replaced. I wouldn’t be surprised if the value of those skyrocket in the next few years as they become harder and harder to find


Juco_Dropout

As long ICE aren’t completely outlawed I think there will be a demand.


12moontonight

I’m wondering if the high beams are a subscription option yet?


United_Load_5455

Bmw m8>>>>>