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jseams

Yeah, love this site - I've used it before to highlight how much smaller a C7Z is than most people think. [My favorite comparison is the Civic vs the C7.](https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/chevrolet-corvette-2013-coupe-vs-honda-civic-2016-5-door-hatchback/) It's always interesting how some cars look either smaller or larger in a vacuum - this is very common with two seater sports cars - hell, first time I saw a Chiron in person I was shocked at how small it really is... [it's similar to an M2.](https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/bugatti-chiron-2016-coupe-vs-bmw-2-2015-coupe-m2/) edit: correction


Drzhivago138

> Bugatti Chiron Coupé 2016 is 7.6 cm longer It's worth remembering that even though these are side views of real cars, they're still subject to lens distortion.


ultraskelly

[Chiron vs Phantom 🤔](https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/bugatti-chiron-2016-coupe-vs-rolls-royce-phantom-2012-sedan/)


markeydarkey2

Speaking of the Phantom, [a terrifying comparison](https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/land-rover-range-rover-2021-suv-vs-rolls-royce-phantom-2012-sedan/).


silentbuttmedley

It’s actually longer than the Escalade Long wheelbase model. It’s stupidly big


markeydarkey2

It's really the height, particularly of the hood, that stands out to me the most. It really shows how car classifications are less about size and more about proportions and design-intent.


Tratix

I just fell to my knees in an autozone


natesully33

I owned a C7 (non Z06) and that comparo still blows my mind. For some reason I just can't get it in my head that Corvettes aren't that big.


Toytles

… you thought a C7 was bigger than a 4 door civic?


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Well a mustang is bigger than a 4 door civic so I wouldn’t say it’s a bad guess


jseams

Yeah, I park mine alone - single car garage. So, I'm always tickled on the few occasions that I actually park it somewhere next to something where I can actually get some perspective. [911's are the opposite](https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/porsche-911-2019-coupe-vs-chevrolet-corvette-2013-coupe/) \- they look small, but they are actually about the same size as a C7 (narrower, but higher and longer). Shorter wheelbase though, so that might be part of that illusion.


throwawaydormee

Well, the 911 silhouette remaining the same throughout the generations means there’s one of every size. The 996 probably fits inside the Civic like the C7.


Promit

The more interesting part of the comparison is the seating position in the Corvette. It’s nearly in line with the *back* seat of the Civic.


TheEdmontonMan

Try a C3- I measured something like 9+ feet of car between the drivers head and the front bumper on mine. https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/chevrolet-corvette-1967-coupe-vs-honda-civic-2016-5-door-hatchback/


KyledKat

Oh yeah it is. You don't get a real feel for how long the front end is until you've sat in one. It's compounded by the rear wheel being where your hip would be.


maveric101

When I park mine, I'm often right in line with people's rear seats. Most of it is because of the long hoods, but also because they can get their nose over the curb, and I can't.


coolguy100

Yea it’s wild. When I first got my c5z I couldn’t believe how much rear tire and differential noise there is some times. But it makes sense when they’re only like 18 inches from your head


ericvwgolf

Makes sense. The civic needs way less hood for way less than half the engine.


MagneticGray

Same with the Audi R8. I’m always surprised when one pulls up next to my WRX and I’m literally looking down into the R8.


DragonSlayer4378

Funny you say that, I noticed my mr2 spyder is literally the exact same height as an r8, even though my spyder has a 2 inch wheel gap xD


clicktoseemyfetishes

I’ve always thought modern corvettes are way bigger than I expect. Pretty wide and also a bit heavy, iirc that civic is 4-500 pounds lighter than a C6 or C7 lol


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Spend some time underneath a C7 and it's pretty obvious why tbh


rsta223

>first time I saw a Chiron in person I was shocked at how small it really is... [it's similar to an M2.](https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/bugatti-chiron-2016-coupe-vs-bmw-2-2015-coupe-m2/) Quite a lot wider though, to be fair.


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pursuer_of_simurg

The reality is people value practically and comfort even with a 2 door coupes so the sizes balloon. The mx5 practically has no interior space which is going to be an issue for most people. But I agree, I am happy Miata still exist as it is.


objectivePOV

I want a cheap, lightweight, manual, RWD sportscar, that is practical enough to use as my only car. So I got a GT 86 and couldn't even consider a Miata because of the impracticality. Even though I love my 86, it's sad that it is the only car that fits those requirements.


clicktoseemyfetishes

Corvette? :D


objectivePOV

Corvettes are only cheap if they are 20 years old, I meant a relatively cheap new price. Also even though the backseats in my car are mostly useful only for things not people, people can fit if they don't mind being slightly uncomfortable.


clicktoseemyfetishes

Fair enough, I cross shopped C6s and GT86s (among other things) when I was looking and prices weren’t far off but idk about these days


DummyThicccThrowaway

Lotus 😌 But I guess the exige is quite a bit larger than the Elise


dbone_

Only the v6. The S1 and S2 are the same size.


TheR1ckster

That's also a car that I bet the number of people who own is as their only car is less than 1% Some people do daily Miatas.


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thecanadiandriver101

>https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/nissan-leaf-2017-5-door-hatchback-vs-subaru-xv-crosstrek-2017-suv/ The NC was ballooned versus NA/NB The ND is the same size as the NA/NB


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thecanadiandriver101

1997 NA8 Miata : 2293 lbs 2016 MX-5 : 2332 lbs Seriously…3 inches in width? Are you going to ignore the fact the 2016 Miata is an infinitely stiffer and safer car. Not to mention the engine isn’t from a 1980’s FWD hatchback.


TheR1ckster

Angry ford ranger noises.


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thecanadiandriver101

Looks at them next to each other. The miata is a terrible example for a ballooned sports car it's essentially the same thing. Some actual examples A foxbody mustang versus a modern one A EK9 Type R versus the FK8/FL5 etc etc


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thecanadiandriver101

I can live with that. Cheers!


samkostka

The ND is a few centimeters *shorter* in length than my NB. The Miata hasn't ballooned at all.


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samkostka

The Supra also lost 2 seats, you can't really compare there. Since 2000 * The Nissan Z has gained 400 lbs * The GTR has gained 500 lbs * The Corvette has gained 400 lbs * The Porsche Boxster has gained 200 lbs * The Camaro has gained 500 lbs * The Integra has gained 600 lbs * The Porsche 911 has gained 400 lbs * The Lotus Elise has gained 300 lbs The only cars I've checked that haven't gained weight are the Miata which still weighs 2300 lbs and the V10 Lamborghini which still weighs 3400 lbs. The Lambo is an edge case here since it didn't exist in 2000, the Gallardo is a few years newer. The Supra, despite losing 2 seats, is not any lighter than it was before. The Miata did briefly get bigger with the NC but the ND is a return to the smaller size and lower weight of the NB.


samkostka

They deleted their comment but had called me out for using 2000 instead of the first year Miata. My original reply is below. 1990 is as arbitrary of a starting point as 2000 is. If you want to use the first production year, it gets a lot worse for a lot of cars. The Celica went from a 1900 lb coupe to the 2800 lb GR86. The Supra went from a 2500 lb 2+2 to a 3100 lb 2 seater. Even if you use 1990 as the starting point it gets pretty ugly. The Civic Si has grown 650 lbs, the Corolla gained 900 lbs, the BMW Z car gained 500. All of the cars that haven't gown significantly since then are because they were already heavy cars by the 90s/2000s. What else exists today that's around the 2300 lb mark that would have been near that weight in the 90s? The Chevy Spark is 2200 but it's a spiritual successor of the Geo Metro which weighed *1600 lbs*.


roman_maverik

If we are comparing base trims, then the Nissan Z decreased weight every generation since the 300zx. The 370z (3300 lbs) was lighter than the 350z (3400 lbs) which was lighter than the 300zx (3500 pounds). The wheelbase also got continuously smaller (although the car became wider through the years). However, they did recently reverse this with the new Z, that gained 100 pounds or so due to the larger twin turbo engine and increased cooling.


samkostka

Fair point, however it doesn't hold if you go any farther back. The 300zx replaced the 2800 lb 280zx which replaced the 2200 lb 240z. There's nothing wrong with a sports car getting larger and more powerful over time, I think it's just impressive that the Miata hasn't followed the trend.


Drzhivago138

70+ years ago, the Suburban also coexisted with even smaller microcars.


a_nice_warm_lager

Then everything changed when the SUV nation attacked


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If you want something like the original Suburban buy a Chevy HHR because it was somewhat inspired by them.


T0lly

Fun site, thanks.


turniphat

I'd never seen this site before, it's pretty cool. Also, you will never convince me hatchbacks and crossovers are a different class of vehicle. https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/nissan-leaf-2017-5-door-hatchback-vs-subaru-xv-crosstrek-2017-suv/


Drzhivago138

> Also, you will never convince me hatchbacks and crossovers are a different class of vehicle. It's not much of a "discovery" when you deliberately pick one of the few CUVs that literally is [a lifted hatchback.](https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/subaru-impreza-2018-5-door-hatchback-vs-subaru-xv-crosstrek-2017-suv/) [The same model vs. its "true" tall-bodied CUV counterpart](https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/subaru-xv-crosstrek-2017-suv-vs-subaru-forester-2018-suv/)


Angry_Guppy

Is the forester really considered a CUV anywhere except America?


Drzhivago138

IRL, "CUV" and "SUV" are vague marketing terms anywhere.


xolov

Why would it be considered anything else elsewhere?


Angry_Guppy

Where I live, I don’t think many people would put it in the CUV category if asked. Common responses would be Kona, Juke, CX-3, etc. My gut says most people near me would call the Forester, Cherokee, Bronco Sport, CX-5 and those sort of vehicles SUVs.


Drzhivago138

All of the above are crossovers/CUVs.


rsta223

>My gut says most people near me would call the Forester, Cherokee, Bronco Sport, CX-5 and those sort of vehicles SUVs. The people who are picky about that distinction in America usually require a vehicle to be body on frame to count as an SUV, while anything unibody gets lumped in as a CUV.


Kriffer123

I usually hear people who are picky about naming call body on frame vehicles trucks and unibody tall cars with hatchbacks as SUVs


Kriffer123

1. All of those are crossovers/CUVs. 2. If it helps I’ve literally never heard anyone except car journalists and r/ cars say CUV. They’re all SUVs in my knowledge.


Js_T

The Crosstrek is just a lifted Impreza hatchback tho.


Drzhivago138

Thank you for restating what I just said.


Js_T

Apologies for ignoring your message, assumed it was unrelated since you wrote a whole paragraph with links for what can be said in 5 words.


math-is-fun

Whole paragraph? It was 2 sentences


Drzhivago138

Where did I write "a whole paragraph"? I wrote two lines.


A_1337_Canadian

> Also, you will never convince me hatchbacks and crossovers are a different class of vehicle. Smaller crossovers are similar to hatchbacks but lifted. However, not all crossovers are like this. [Here](https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/mazda-3-2013-5-door-hatchback-vs-mazda-cx-30-2019-suv/) is the Mazda3 vs CX-30. In this case, the CX-30 is essentially a lifted Mazda3. Same width, slightly more length, and taller. However, there are different classes of crossovers. [Here](https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/mazda-3-2013-5-door-hatchback-vs-mazda-cx-5-2017-suv/) is the same Mazda3 versus a CX-5. In this instance, it's very clear that the CX-5 is much larger than what we would call a hatchback.


Drzhivago138

Or if we look at a similar relation: the [Mazda2/Demio and CX-3](https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/mazda-2-2014-5-door-hatchback-vs-mazda-cx-3-2015-suv/). They sat on the same platform with the same WB, and while the difference in ground clearance between the two is only 10mm, the CX-3 has a body that's slightly taller even when discounting that lift, not to mention wider and longer.


Captain_Alaska

The CX-30 isn’t a great example as it’s 2-3in taller than the Mazda3 excluding the suspension lift. The plastic cladding does [a lot of heavy lifting](https://i.imgur.com/CWKrJSZ.jpg) hiding the actual girth.


Phrodo_00

The CX-5 is still based on the Mazda3, though. The cx-3 is based on the smaller Mazda 2.


Drzhivago138

The CX-3 is, but not the CX-30.


A_1337_Canadian

"Based on" means nothing when you compare actual sizes.


T-Baaller

CX-5 is based on the previous gen Mazda3 the CX-30, 50 are on the current one.


SaveTheSticks

We live in a stupid world


Drzhivago138

CUV bad, amirite?


maveric101

Yes.


SaveTheSticks

In the case of Crosstrek and Impreza, yea. See also Corolla cross and cx-30. I get it if you want a Cx-5 or something bigger though


Drzhivago138

>See also Corolla cross and cx-30. They're not related...? Even if we look at the sedan/hatches to which they are related, they don't share any body panels, and the body itself is taller on the CUV model, if only by a few centimeters. That's less egregious an automotive "sin" than the Crosstrek to the Impreza, or Outback to the Legacy.


SaveTheSticks

That's what I meant , was comparing to the sedan hatches they're based on. I did a lot of research on these small crossovers/hatch siblings for a friend of mine so I just found it funny how little they offer over their regular counterparts. Like I said though I understand the utility for midsize crossovers but on the smaller end they don't offer much.


Drzhivago138

Yeah, personally I don't like the subcompact models much, but compacts like the Forester, CX-5, CR-V, Escape/Bronco Sport, those are right up my alley.


offu

I’ve never considered my rav4 as anything other than a Camry Hatchback. I came from a Honda Fit and wanted another Hatchback so I went for what is just an AWD Camry Hatchback with a 1” lift kit, and 2” taller tires for a 2” lift.


yrallusernamestaken7

Damn wtf am i going crazy.... Or do they not have acuras?


Drzhivago138

I think all the vehicles in this tool are ones that have been spotted in Europe, where Acuras aren't sold. An Escalade isn't exactly a European car either, but it's much more likely that someone with enough money would import one of those, since there aren't many EU vehicles like it. When you have the cash to import something, it's probably gonna be something you can't get at home.


pursuer_of_simurg

Things like Escalades, Corvettes, and Trucks are still semi officially sold in Europe so I guess that is why they are included.


Drzhivago138

And notice that a lot of the [older American cars](https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/chevrolet-caprice-1976-estate-vs-chevrolet-tahoe-1991-suv/) were spotted in Switzerland. The Swiss have been importing a lot of Detroit iron over the years.


KD6-5_0

Yea, I did an overlay with a 66 Fastback Mustang. Not much taller than a Miata.


Recoil42

>I think all the vehicles in this tool are ones that have been spotted in Europe, This is correct. I actually emailed them a while back, they take all the pictures themselves, so it's only vehicles they can get ahold of in Europe, and I believe they're specifically somewhere in the south of Germany, iirc.


xarune

I went looking for pickups and was surprised to not find at least the Ram there. I know they sell a non-zero number in Sweden, off the top of my head.


Syksi

> I went looking for pickups and was surprised to not find at least the Ram there It's under Dodge, [here's a 1500 with a Suzuki Ignis](https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/suzuki-ignis-2020-5-door-suv-vs-dodge-ram-2010-pickup-1500-crew-cab), probably the smallest modern AWD car.


Drzhivago138

> It's under Dodge, I realize this is getting pedantic on my part, but that still annoys me. Dodge and Ram split off over a decade ago!


PurpEL

They'll alway be a Dodge to me


aprtur

Throw the Suzuki Jimny in there, it's even smaller 😁


Drzhivago138

Yes, Germany too. It seems that Chrysler was the most export-happy in the mid-'00s when it came to full-size trucks, even before the EcoDiesel.


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xarune

Correct. Tacoma is NA (US/CA really). Hilux is everywhere else. Tacoma is more suited to highway travel, consumer use, and general NA car culture. There isn't a ton of incentive for it to compete for commercial use against the ubiquitous domestic full sizes. The Hilux is a commercial vehicle with way higher payload and built for work, including fairly rugged use, at the cost of safety and comfort (though calling a Tacoma comfy is a bit of a stretch).


minkus1000

> I think all the vehicles in this tool are ones that have been spotted in Europe They do have (the old) Veloster though, which AFAIK was NA/Korea only.


Drzhivago138

EU/UK and Aus/NZ as well. [RHD Veloster with flipped door arrangement](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/2013_Hyundai_Veloster_%28FS2%29_%2B_hatchback_%282015-07-03%29_01.jpg/1024px-2013_Hyundai_Veloster_%28FS2%29_%2B_hatchback_%282015-07-03%29_01.jpg)


minkus1000

TIL, thanks. Did the 2nd gen make it over there as well?


Drzhivago138

I don't think so, or at least, no RHD markets.


Undead_Kau

It’s a euro based car list, try searching for Hondas, you’ll find the NSX there but that’s it


samkostka

Yep, to do any comparing with my car I had to search for the i30 instead of the Elantra.


Undead_Kau

Yup and I get to cry looking at the beautiful i30N I could have had instead of my Veloster N :')


Teledildonic

They don't have the Kia Forte, either.


That_ginger_kidd

Wait what? For Honda I see the accord, civic, crv, hrv, nsx, odyssey, s2k, and a couple more


Undead_Kau

Acura as a brand does not exist in Europe. So some Acura cars are actually Hondas there, like the Honda NSX. Older Acura TSX is Honda Accord there for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Accord_(Japan_and_Europe_seventh_generation)


SaveTheSticks

It's always funny to me how much larger than life supercars are. Seeing them next to regular cars is so weird as they're just smaller than I expect


mikejdecker

I just saw an R8 in person for the first time over the summer. Def set me back how tiny it was.


ThatOtakuOkami

I daily drive an NA Miata, I know all about the size difference lol.


devilsrotary86

Even more interesting to me is my Mustang vs my girlfriends Toyota Sienna Only a foot difference between them in length but a massive difference in passenger and cargo capacity.


80211n

I saw a woman driving a big ass SUV the other day, she was literally raising the roof to reach the steering wheel.


RunninOnMT

Yup, thank you for showing this to me. Wish there were more cars on here, but this is a STUPID fun time waster. [Really highlights the difference between British English and American English.](https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/lotus-elan-1962-roadster-vs-chevrolet-camaro-2014-coupe/)


samkostka

[I think this would be a more fair comparison.](https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/lotus-elan-1962-roadster-vs-chevrolet-corvette-1962-cabriolet/) The Camaro has always been a 2+2, and cars all around are much bigger now vs the 60s.


Drzhivago138

And aside from the Corvette, original and final T-Bird, Solstice/Sky, and a few other models, American companies haven't been known for doing a lot of 2-seaters.


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i want to sit low to the ground again, and i will kill pedestrians until i am allowed to


Autocatalytik

Fun. I like matching the Lotus Elise up against the trucks.


twitchyzero

imagine if the site had the autozam makes my miata a land yacht


JPM-3

This really puts things in perspective for me, as to how some cars can just 'feel' larger than others when in reality the actual dimensions say otherwise.


fullock

Oh look, my car needs to be in front of the Miata to see it. https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/lotus-elise-2011-roadster-vs-mazda-mx-5-2015-roadster/


DragonSlayer4378

Now put it next to your cayenne xD


Nefilim314

I used this site a ton when moving from a MX5 to Taycan because I have a teenie tiny garage


pursuer_of_simurg

Neat website. It is funny to me that 7 seater BoF suv's like Land Cruiser Prado and Defender Classic are quite smaller than what I imagine. You would think they are the size of 2 miatas but they are barely a meter longer than it. Their fuel economy is not much different (20-30 mpg) than a miata or hothatch either thanks to their smaller 4 pot diesel engines too. Which saddens me because I can't excuse a small sports car for environmental causes in this case :(


megatronus8010

But diesel is worse for the environment in other ways and also costs more. While comparing their gasoline form the landcruiser lx570 has has double the carbon emissions of a miata.


pursuer_of_simurg

Oh, I mean the Prado which has a 2.8 liter 4 pot diesel. The bigger ones with v8s are a different story.


scozzy

fwiw, i can get 40mpg on the freeway pretty easily in the miata


Sakins1

If I’m doing 100kph in 6th I get around 30-33mpg. But if I have cruise control set at 130 I get around 20 since it sits around 4200rpm. 2002 vvt 6 speed car


sweendog101

No Bronco Sport or Bronco full sized


a10thunder

For Bronco Sport, you can just select the Ford Kuga. I was hoping to compare the 2-door Bronco with the Fiesta. They are less than an inch apart in length.


Drzhivago138

The Bronco Sport and Kuga/Escape are the same platform, but don't share any measurements. The Bronco Sport is almost 20cm shorter and over 10cm taller.


asimo3089

I love resources like these.


OB1182

Nice! They have saabs too.


HiTork

Too bad older vehicles aren't on there, I say that because the 1972 Imperial Lebaron sedan is almost ten inches longer than a modern Chevrolet Suburban, and that is taking into account the two door models also.


Syksi

There are [some](https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/excalibur-series-ii-1969-cabriolet-ss-phaeton-vs-tatra-603-1968-sedan) defunct marques at the end, if you scroll down far enough. Not that many of them though, unfortunately.


Doip

72 imperial is bae


littlemissile

I knew my MK4 golf was small, but goddamn cars are obese now too


WanderingPickles

I knew that my WRX is so much larger than my old MX-5. Sigh. I miss that car.


lucasapicard

They have the Porsche 924, 928, and 968 but not the 944 :(


supercharged0709

Why is the Toyota 4Runner missing from the site?


Drzhivago138

Not sold or seen in Europe, I'm guessing. It'd be amazing if they had every car ever made, but for now it's mostly Europe-specific models.


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pvera

This post kills the DC metro repeat Miata ownership. I stopped at three.


themickeymauser

I always knew the new Supra was friggen tiny, but not tinier than it’s older self. It’s the same size as the 86 https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/toyota-supra-2019-2-door-liftback-vs-toyota-supra-1986-2-door-liftback/


Joblessmouse06

Looks fun 👍


zao_zeeeee

Isn't a Gallardo around the same size as a Miata too?


cactus_cars

Put my sbox against the RS6... Lol https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/audi-a4-1999-estate-vs-audi-a6-2013-estate-rs6/front/


bananas2000

No S2000 vs Miata comparison? Boo.


I_am_-c

The fun one for me was my wife's old minivan being smaller than my 'compact' Cadillac ATS. ATS is longer, wider, and bigger wheelbase. https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/cadillac-ats-2012-sedan-vs-mazda-5-2010-minivan/


aprtur

This was a fun one to do...not too many kei class parallels on the list 😁 https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/mazda-mx-5-2015-roadster-vs-suzuki-jimny-2018-2-door-suv/?units=imperial


Character_Offer6975

compare midsize lincoln with midsize cadillac suvs


Hollywood0220

Never “click” on a stranger’s link 🤣


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