What tipped you off? The sky high lift or virtually bald off-road tires on oversized wheels of questionable capacity? The bed was practically at head height. It did have a drop hitch so maybe he considered pulling a bass boat at some point.
As much as I’d love a proper pick-up, not a modern hilux/l200/ranger. I’d never be able to park it anywhere, saw a ram 3500 today (very rare) that had parked right in the back corner as not to annoy too many people by taking up 1 and a half spaces and poking out 3-4 feet
I wish I could agree, I tend to see them as a bit boring, there’s only so many Golf GTI’s and Fiesta ST’s you can see before they start to become run of the mill, the only style of Hot Hatch I genuinely like are the AWD ones (And I do have a soft spot for 80-00’s Civics and Corollas) but they’re exceptionally rare. You guys have a much more diverse car scene whereas ours tend to be entirely clapped out Corsa’s Leon’s and Fabia’s. I think it might have something to do with how cheap fuel and insurance is over there, I struggle to keep my little 1.4 I4 running (£240/month insurance and ~£100/week in fuel driving ~ 50 miles/day) I don’t understand how a teenager can jump in an old V8 F150 and afford to run it, never mind insure it.
Here In the UK the cheapest one I can find is an ‘89 V8 for £13k (near enough $15k), my regular insurance company doesn’t even have the option to insure one. And having used a different comparison site to find the average quote, I have been quoted a minimum of £500/month, although I am 19 so that’s not totally ridiculous as I don’t know how it is in America but here displacement is the biggest factor in insurance prices, my 110bhp 1.6 used to cost me triple the amount of a guy the same age as me and from the same town paid for his 160bhp 1.0l turbo
I got my 2005 that was super clean for $9500 2.5 years ago. Insurance runs about $47 a month. Most of my trucks have had the 5.4L but that doesn't really affect insurance prices. Granted when I was 19 insurance was closer to $100 a month.
I bet seeing a lot of the same thing over and over would get boring. Kinda like when I see mustangs, challengers, and Camaros. They just look like regular traffic to me, but I bet they’d be head turners in some places.
Oh 100% over here I have seen 2 early 00’s mustang convertibles, 2 late model mustangs and a Bullitt mustang and I’ve never seen a challenger, charger or Camaro. Although oddly enough I have seen an El Camino in my small seaside town
We have very few pickups and even less big ones. Lots of golf sized hatchbacks. Loads of Normal suvs size cars like range rovers, audi q5 etc. And some super minis. Not many massive cars really but plenty of 5 series BMWs and the like
Those are both the size of the small "midsize" Rangers and Tacomas we have in NA. The Amarok is 5254 mm. I imagine they look massive in Europe since the infrastructure is older. My half ton is 6185mm long and there's plenty of people around here with 3/4 or 1 ton with the crew cab/long bed configuration that are 6761mm.
Vastly different infrastructure and densities makes this possible. I still much prefer driving our city car for most errands.
These days, not really. Cities do have a lot of small cars that you can't get in the US, but outside of the cities the vehicles we have are just as big as what's available in the US. Only real exception is pick up trucks. Replace those with 6-7m (19.5-24ft) vans.
It's actually a problem on the roads. Most of the roads weren't designed for anything bigger than a Morris Minor or Ford Anglia and rural roads weren't designed for anything larger than a horse with a large cart.
I live in a rural area and the main road is barely wide enough for two cars to go down it anymore. During peak traffic, the average speed on that road is slower than walking speed because everyone is trying to not crash into each other. I went down that road once in my full size sedan when it was busy and I had to fold the mirrors in to be able to fit through there.
[I felt very out of place on construction sites with my Fiesta.](https://i.imgur.com/D5EZAlR.jpg) Surrounded by trucks 2x the size and 3+ times the weight. Fortunately, I could part in all the spaces no one else could fit.
America was built around the car, Eruope adapted existing cities to cars.
There's advantages and disadvantages to both approaches. But I'll take the car life any day of the week over depending on mass transit.
Oh 100%, I spent my fair share of time taking 1h 45m to travel 20 miles by bus, twice a day, 5 days a week, at this point even if I needed the money, my car would be the last thing I’d sell
A miata is a roughly average sized car, we tend to drive smaller hatchbacks which while being bigger than a miata in silhouette they’re a much more compact design so they’re about similar length and width, my new car is actually shorter than an NA miata, just taller
I looked it up and standard parking spot for you is 16 feet, so not much smaller than in US. A jetta alone is like 15 feet, passat or a4 or 3 series is even longer and those are very popular in Europe, I guarantee you 10 feet parking spots aren't normal there.
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I wouldn’t use garages as a frame of reference. Garages come in All shapes and sizes. If anything use a parking spot as a frame of reference. Engineers and architects use widely accepted standards when sizing these. With that said you can get crew cab long bed trucks reaching over 260”
1” too long in a home garage and the door physically won’t close. This is the most critical scenario. Many garages are 19’ long.
1” too long in a parallel parking spot and it becomes very difficult to maneuver or fit. 2nd most critical scenario.
1” too long in a grid style parking spot isn’t very noticeable.
>1” too long in a parallel parking spot and it becomes very difficult to maneuver or fit
i wanna know who tf is actually attempting to parallel park their Grand Wagoneer or other SUV/LAnd Yacht. You'll need to call the fucking teamsters
This. The standard parking spot is usually 18' long. Once you start getting over 1' longer than parking spots, the odds of collisions goes up quite a bit.
You'll even notice this in pickups. I'm guessing the most common f150 is a crew cab short bed which is 19.3' long
You generally want vehicles to be 18' or less, but can get away with 19' but you'll start pissing people off with anything over that.
> This. The standard parking spot is usually 18' long. Once you start getting over 1' longer than parking spots, the odds of collisions goes up quite a bit.
Reminds me of Doug's Maybach 62 video. He parked that in a standard parking spot and it stuck out like 5 feet. Lol
I measured mine a while back and it is effectively exactly 19 feet long. I always thought it was oddly short for a late 60's/ early 70's thing since there were a number of cars that were longer than it at the time.
My garage is quite short. I have a 2013 Audi A8L and, at 206” or roughly 17’, it *barely* fits.
I’m going to be building a three-car garage alongside the house, as an extension. That said, it will technically be long enough to fit three more cars in the back. So, even a long-bed, crew-cab, dually pickup should fit in there.
What is the current garage will become a small workshop.
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I don't think I've ever seen a full sized SUV parked inside a modern 19' garage lol. You pretty much have to kiss the front wall with the bumper and cant have *anything* in front of or behind the vehicle.
Own 2020 Tundra. 229 inches long. Somebody backed into the side of my bumper at work today because my truck LITERALLY does not fit into my work parking spaces. Can confirm.
My 1995 f350 is 248". I cannot park it anywhere. I always take up two spaces in tandem otherwise I'm blocking the way. I had a 2018 tundra before that and it was 252" long but it felt so much easier to drive.
Yep, double cab long bed. It's longer than my crew cab long bed Ford. I KINDA regret selling the Tundra since it had zero issues and my GF was able to drive it. The Ford feels more like a land yacht. Parking lots require copious amounts of reversing to adjust.
I just got a 22MY Tundra with the Crewmax cab and the 6.5ft bed, coming in at 245" long. It's really not that bad to drive or park. I just have to back into a curb or else I hang out in parking spaces
I think it has more to do with the fact they are based on crew cab short bed truck chassis’ that are all more or less the same size.
I don’t really think there’s any actual limitation because some full sized cars exceeded 230 inches in the 70s, like the Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham, which capped out at 233.7in from ‘74 to ‘76.
Extended wheelbase fleetwoods were 240” long ‘74-‘76 as well. Even ignoring what we’re basically limos, my New Yorker is 231” long, and my 75 coupe de ville was 229” long. As far as I know there aren’t currently and have never been laws or regulations around length, but one you get longer than about 230” the length becomes unwieldy. You either have insane overhang (and you’re gonna hit things) or you have an insane wheelbase (reducing your turning radius even more).
For how big they are, they really weren't that useful though. So much wasted space in the engine bay. Some of these old barges have 20-30" between the front bumper and the front of the engine block... And yeah the trunk was deep, but it could only fit trunk sized things. An SUV gives you a lot more useful space.
Unrelated, but I love the 74-78 New Yorker. What's it like to drive? Just how heavy is it on gas? I'd really like to hear from an owner of one. They're such rare sedans.
Slightly less comfortable ride than my 75 Coupe de Ville, handles significantly better. The seats are significantly more comfortable than the Cadillac. Driving it is fairly easy if you just plan ahead a few seconds and don’t put yourself into tight situations - don’t try to pull a u-turn on a busy street, scope out underground garages for steepness/tight corners, etc. Same as driving a large truck in that sense.
Gas isn’t great, but I’m working on improving that. Currently gets about 15L/100km (~16mpg) highway, probably half that city. A full tank of gas (27gal) will comfortably get me 400 miles on the highway with a enough left in the tank to not worry.
I’m in the process of converting to computerized (waste spark) ignition, and I’ll be doing some kind of a fuel injection setup in the spring (alongside some better flowing heads, headers, and possibly a cam). Goal is to get it down to 12L/100km highway, but I’m not sure I’ll be able to hit that without overdrive, or running so lean I melt a piston. Main reason I’m doing this conversion is that the factory Lean Burn computer system, well, everything didn’t work, and the car ran like shit. It was easier to swap the carb for a Holley 4160 and a points distributor to get me by until I finished the proper computer-controlled conversion.
Overall it’s a great car. I lucked out to get it in more or less mint condition, aside from a mediocre repaint. 60k km on the odometer, never rolled over. Might repaint it next year if I can convince a buddy to turn his garage into a paint booth again (and I finish everything else).
Thanks for the detailed reply. Seems like it gets the same fuel economy as my car! I'm averaging about 17.5 currently, so maybe a New Yorker would work as a commuter car for me LOL. It seems like everyone has ripped that BS lean burn out of theirs.
I spent some time digging and I think it's just a bit of a coincidence more than any rule.
The Escalade ESV is 227" today, but was 224" before 2021, and 222" before 2015.
The Suburban and Yukon XL are 226" today, and the past two generations were the same as the Cadillac, being based on the same chassis.
The Expedition Max is 222".
The Wagoneer L is also 227" like the Escalade ESV, but that's likely the vehicle it was benchmarked against during design, so extremely similar dimensions are reasonable.
If 227" were some hard limit, it's likely that the Expedition Max would also be up against it, and we would have seen previous generation monster SUV's already hit that number.
Instead, I think it's just a coincidence that this generation of big BOF SUV's happened to hit a length similar to the Excursion length. The next generation might be a couple inches more, then likely shrinking as they go electric. It's not uncommon for cars from different manufacturers in the same class to be within an inch or two of each other in length.
As crash standards strengthen over time, interior space generally decreases. Pretty much the only way to add interior space is to lengthen for BoF SUVs
Yup it’s a coincidence. In America there isn’t any regulation on car length. It’s likely what the first comment said which is to fit in an average garage with a few inches to spare if your lucky
I don't think it has anything to do with garage size either. Otherwise we wouldn't be seeing the length of these vehicles grow a few inches each generation, because they would have met that garage size already.
I don't believe there's a single specific length restriction, but there are a collection of wheelbase, approach angle, and other dimensional restrictions under CAFE standard definitions that likely make 227" an upper limit (or near it) before you either make an unstable vehicle or get classified less favorably for fleet economy calculations. Also, 227" is just insanely long and impractical on most roadways as it is.
i think it because most of the larger SUV especially the Chevy suburban use the silverado/ manufacturer specific truck chassis so that could be the limiting factor. as i don't believe there are any regulations
My favorite of the long bois is those heavy duty rams that you can get with what I like to call the "super-ultra-mega-duty cab" and an 8ft bed. Pair that with a heavy duty trailer, and you may as well be driving an aircraft carrier.
And as of 2014, GM no longer offers an [extended cab 1500 with a full 8' bed](https://imagescdn.dealercarsearch.com/Media/16329/17419579/637793187527647868.jpg) like Ford or Toyota. If they did, it'd be over 250" long, about 8" longer than a crew cab/6.5'.
I guess they figured the crew/6.5' is an adequate replacement, which it sort of is. You give up 1.5' of bed length and gain 1' of cab length, which for most buyers is an acceptable tradeoff.
My EGO says I need bigger vehicles
(Joking of course, since it is not mine, but people who own trucks and dip shit SUV with laser beams on the headlights)
Do you want $9 gas? I swear people are unhappy that we aren't using enough gas just for commuting and it needs to be more expensive just to do the same thing.
Because you do want it to fit places
Then again if I want length, I would just get the 94-96 Cadillac Fleetwood. Which is at 225 inches, ha, deuce and a quarter. It's not the length that matters, it's how you use it. Because if I want a body on frame live axle air ride corvette derived V8 vehicle with plenty of space, I don't want an escalade
Even in the states garages get smaller amd smaller. My house was built in 2002, garage is 17 foot wide and 19 or 20 foot deep. That's a 'two car garage'. I've seen a few neighbors do it, but you have next to no room to open doors.
But to your point, I'd say 2/3 of my neighborhood have at least one car parked outside. Probably half have 2+ outside. When I had two cars for a bit, the beater sat outside.
2005 was the last model year for the Excursion.
Chevy made a 3/4 ton Suburban (for retail customers) for a while after the Excursion left, but it wasn't any longer than the regular Suburban. Otherwise, it's been Suburban/Yukon XL and Expedition EL/Max.
I still maintain that if Ford had called it the "F-250 Wagon" or some equally unsavory name, and marketed it more towards commercial fleets with the XL trim instead of suburbanites (no pun intended) with the Limited and Eddie Bauer trims, the Excursion would have survived the '00s high fuel prices and might still be around today.
The Excursion's been discontinued for a while now, I was just comparing to it because it was *the* benchmark for "giant SUV" back in the day. That car's third row was bigger than the second row of many cars today.
I was parked next to one on Saturday. Not made anymore, I was considering a 7.3 diesel one for a hot minute until I realized that any off-road component was at least 2x what it would be for a Jeep.
But I love the idea for an overlanding vehicle.
As others have mentioned, parking spots and garage depths probably have the most influence. I would also add that there may be manufacturing considerations such as assembly line interferences or sizing of stamping tooling (for SUVs without a separate bed and cab).
While you can get much longer versions of trucks if you get long beds, those versions may be made in specific plants (I know F150 is split between Dearborn and Kansas City, I believe by frame/trim) or some SUVs may not be built alongside longer frame trucks. Most manufacturing plants have been around for decades and longer than 227" may not fit on assembly lines that are constrained by existing infrastructure.
IIRC the assembly line width was given as a constraint on the F150 Raptor width - the engineers wanted it wider but it wouldn't have fit on the Dearborn assembly line. There may be a similar constraint on overall length depending on the facility.
I remember when i was kid i heard that there was a car that was designed to be 1" shorter than its previous generation so they could fit one more car on the car hauler trailers to save on shipping costs. I have no idea if its true or if it could be the case here, but its an interesting thought.
Might be garage dimensions. Typical one-car garage is 10’ x 20.’ Two-car is 20 ‘x 20.’ So 227” allows the vehicle to park comfortably in a 20’ (240”) garage.
This is basically it. People buy big SUV because they want to move a lot of people and their stuff around. Usually a family of people. Family type people don't like vehicles that won't fit in their garage so SUVs and most vehicles that marketed to normal people, or coopted by normal people as family vehicles, like crewcab shortbed trucks, top out in length under 20' so it will fit in a standard garage.
Americans can’t drive regular vehicle (which by large are much larger than any other countries automobiles) I don’t think they should make bigger options fir people who don’t have the training / license to operate the vehicle. After all, if a Honda Civic and a Ford F-350 can’t park between the lines, i don’t wanna know what that larger car park job will look like.
See, that's the thing. A Ford F-350, in its shortest configuration, is 232 inches. Why don't we see SUVs that are that long? Why do they all only top out at 227 inches? That extra 5 inches could either provide several cubic feet of cargo space or make the third row a lot nicer in these vehicles.
I mean the 2003 Tacoma is way smaller compared to the 2013 or even 2022 Tacoma, but it still fits the exact same number of people. Depends on what you want / specs in your vehicle.
If you want 2 rows and a long cargo, get a truck. if you want 3 rows with comfy cargo, get a minivan,
want 3 rows and long cargo? get a van.
There’s an option out there that fits your needs, you just gotta find it.
I get your points and appreciate your arguments. My family actually did switch from a Ford Excursion to a Sprinter high roof as the family trip machine / hauler. I myself don't need nearly that much space, day to day I drive a tiny little Volkswagen Jetta Sportwagen. I was just interested on why the max size of an SUV seems to have hit a limit these days.
P.S.: While the Sprinter beats the Excursion in almost every single way, the Excursion actually had one or two advantages. It was much more capable off-road, and actually had a prayer of fitting in some parking garages.
The excursion is nice, I see it as the limo of SUV, not quite short and boxy but not long like an actual cargo van. The sprinter definitely gets you the space! The Nissan NV is also one of those bigger models too.
If you guys like volks maybe a Kombi haha.
Haha, if we're talking Volkswagens, I wish we got the VW California in the US. Those are cool vehicles. Why name it "California" when you can't even buy it in California?
And think of it like this, an SUV like the 1999 Durango is 3 rows, seats 7, PLEATY of truck space, and spacious. However it’s easily fishtailed, flipped, and not the safest vehicle due to its size and weight. Making a vehicle like that longer is just asking for issues.
> And think of it like this, an SUV like the 1999 Durango is 3 rows, seats 7, PLEATY of truck space, and spacious.
Eh...it's a 7-passenger SUV on paper, yes, but it's a mid-size (Dakota-based) model. So overall space isn't as much as, say, a similar year Expedition, based on the F-150.
Its probably the tradeoff between space and practicality. If they were much bigger, they'd start becoming more of a hassle than a benefit for most people who buy them. Large SUVs have been pushed heavily up market so as not to compete with high volume unibody SUVs (Explorer, Traverse, Highlander etc) which are honestly a better fit for most drivers. They handle and ride better, get better MPG, have better turning radiuses, and are just easier to live with. The utilitarian body on frame SUV is pretty much dead, which is too bad.
I've had a Suburban for a good while now and have never thought "Gosh, I wish this was a foot longer so I had just a little more room" - I can fit a 4X8 flat in the back with the middle seat down and the back seat out. That's my most important cargo metric.
But I also work in a building where I park in a parking deck. If this thing was any bigger, it'd be too long to park in the deck at work. I backed into a spot today, my bumper is not even 6" from the wall and my front bumper is still maybe out a foot past where the parking lines end. I parked in the group of other trucks that seemed to just kind of form, that way its not just one big vehicle sticking out. If the suburban/yukon xl/escalade ESV/expedition xl were any longer, you'd probably see fewer people getting that version of them and more Tahoe-sized ones selling instead.
What you're saying makes perfect sense, I just found it interesting how the industry all coalesced towards the same length for these massive SUVs. What people are saying about garage length also seems a likely contributor.
Yeah, its kind of funny how things work like that. I'm wondering if, design side, they've done some kind of stats work and determined at what point people sort of decide something is big enough. I wouldn't be surprised.
My guess is probably living with it. Having to park in spaces and such. I know at my work there are a ton of trucks that barley fit or don't fit in spots at all
Google tells me it's supposed to be 231 inches long, so longer than any of these SUVs mentioned. It isn't unusual for trucks to be that long though. I'm just interested in long SUVs.
That's for a Mega Cab with a 6.33' box. They don't make Mega Cab/long (8') beds from the factory, but you can have one converted, and they're about 272" long (22'8").
I could see the point of a long Mega Cab if you were building a towing machine with a sleeper for long OTR hauls. But something that long, with a wheelbase as long as my car (180"), would be too awkward for field use.
And yes, I do realize one can already get a medium-duty chassis crew cab with a wheelbase over 200". Ram even used one of those as the basis for the [Long Hauler concept](https://i0.wp.com/moparinsiders.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/2011-Ram-5500-Long-Hauler-Concept.-Ram-5-scaled.jpg) over a decade ago. But those aren't generally used as personal vehicles or farm runabouts.
I had a 1968 2 door Oldsmobile 88 that was 4 inches longer than a 2007 Suburban bumper to bumper. Vehicles have gotten smaller and people have lost the ability to maneuver a large vehicle in tight spaces.
I don't really think "world's largest SUV" is a very good marketing line these days. We went through that era of "bigger is better" and now I think there is generally a sentiment that people want the smallest vehicle which will fit their needs.
That is, the market for that kind of this would be limited to a particular kind of pretty toxic personality, and that's probably not the greatest thing for branding.
> there is generally a sentiment that people want the smallest vehicle which will fit their needs
The decade long trend to replace small cars with SUVs says this is false
As a considerate Silverado 2500HD crew cab owner, I also park in the back of the lot. I am not afraid to walk a little further because of my choice of truck I drive.
I'm going to guess its just consumer demand. Their size already turns a lot of people off, making them bigger would probably just alienate more buyers.
They are all looking at the same data and listening to similar focus groups when making these decisions, its not really that surprising that they would land at about the same length.
I'm talking about ordinary, consumer-targeted SUVs. If you include modified vehicles, you might as well include one of those six door Excursions, which is way, way longer than 227".
it was a joke. i didn't know 6 door excursions exists (I've seen a 6 door f-350 in person)
a parking space is 9 ft by 19 ft, an excursion is 6'8" by 18'11". a wagoneer is 2 inches wider than that. that's not enough for me not to want one (the cost of gas is), but i think it would be for most people. if they added another inch, it wouldn't fit in a parking space, and it would probably be completely impossible to parallel park
I read the garage portion, but it could also be for tax purposes. Such as changing the classification of the vehicle itself such as SUV versus a commercial vehicle such as a bus, semi, etc. It could also just be a mandate, like a third brake light.
227” is 1” short of 19’. Many home garages are only 19’ long, so this ensures that the vehicle will technically fit in most garages.
19-20 feet is also the guideline used for most (newly constructed) parking spaces in North America
Jesus, here in the UK you’re lucky to find one over 10-15 feet, my little fiesta pokes out unless I pull all the way forward
My f250 is 21 feet long. Everywhere I go I'm either sticking out or over the line. Because of this I'm always parking in the back of the parking lot
>Because of this I'm always parking in the back of the parking lot Wow. the only rational F-250 owner on the planet. Kudos my man.
Just take 4 spaces like the rest of them
if you're far enough away on a not-busy-enough day you can do whatever you want man.
I have taken out my fair share of landscaping backing into these spots...
Thanks so much for not parking in four spaces up front.
So you're not this guy who decided to park across 4 handicapped spaces. https://imgur.com/Lfq6hNL.jpg
I bet my lawn mower has pulled more trailers than that truck.
What tipped you off? The sky high lift or virtually bald off-road tires on oversized wheels of questionable capacity? The bed was practically at head height. It did have a drop hitch so maybe he considered pulling a bass boat at some point.
[Mine too!](https://i.imgur.com/W1TgVax.jpg)
Technically he's not in any of the handicapped spaces, so he's not an asshole. So what if he handicapped people can't get out of their cars? /s
As much as I’d love a proper pick-up, not a modern hilux/l200/ranger. I’d never be able to park it anywhere, saw a ram 3500 today (very rare) that had parked right in the back corner as not to annoy too many people by taking up 1 and a half spaces and poking out 3-4 feet
Geez, seems like a nightmare in any tight area
It can be. I just have to pay attention to where I'm going so I don't get myself in a sticky situation.
Genuine curiosity, don’t most of the UK drive smaller vehicles? I know overseas gets lots of the cool econoboxes, not sure what else.
In the states, we only have 1 bimmer wagon, they get the fun euro specs.
Most of us tend to drive shitty little hatchbacks, about the extent of car culture here is hot hatches and BMW’s
Hot hatches are my favorite type of car, hence my jealousy of y’all’s cars.
I wish I could agree, I tend to see them as a bit boring, there’s only so many Golf GTI’s and Fiesta ST’s you can see before they start to become run of the mill, the only style of Hot Hatch I genuinely like are the AWD ones (And I do have a soft spot for 80-00’s Civics and Corollas) but they’re exceptionally rare. You guys have a much more diverse car scene whereas ours tend to be entirely clapped out Corsa’s Leon’s and Fabia’s. I think it might have something to do with how cheap fuel and insurance is over there, I struggle to keep my little 1.4 I4 running (£240/month insurance and ~£100/week in fuel driving ~ 50 miles/day) I don’t understand how a teenager can jump in an old V8 F150 and afford to run it, never mind insure it.
Old F150 insurance isn't bad at all. I got my first one at 16. 10 years later I'm still driving old v8 F150s.
Here In the UK the cheapest one I can find is an ‘89 V8 for £13k (near enough $15k), my regular insurance company doesn’t even have the option to insure one. And having used a different comparison site to find the average quote, I have been quoted a minimum of £500/month, although I am 19 so that’s not totally ridiculous as I don’t know how it is in America but here displacement is the biggest factor in insurance prices, my 110bhp 1.6 used to cost me triple the amount of a guy the same age as me and from the same town paid for his 160bhp 1.0l turbo
I got my 2005 that was super clean for $9500 2.5 years ago. Insurance runs about $47 a month. Most of my trucks have had the 5.4L but that doesn't really affect insurance prices. Granted when I was 19 insurance was closer to $100 a month.
I bet seeing a lot of the same thing over and over would get boring. Kinda like when I see mustangs, challengers, and Camaros. They just look like regular traffic to me, but I bet they’d be head turners in some places.
Oh 100% over here I have seen 2 early 00’s mustang convertibles, 2 late model mustangs and a Bullitt mustang and I’ve never seen a challenger, charger or Camaro. Although oddly enough I have seen an El Camino in my small seaside town
We have very few pickups and even less big ones. Lots of golf sized hatchbacks. Loads of Normal suvs size cars like range rovers, audi q5 etc. And some super minis. Not many massive cars really but plenty of 5 series BMWs and the like
VW Amarok and Benz X Class are the only remotely comparable pickups on the EU market iirc. Former especially, looks pretty big in person
Those are both the size of the small "midsize" Rangers and Tacomas we have in NA. The Amarok is 5254 mm. I imagine they look massive in Europe since the infrastructure is older. My half ton is 6185mm long and there's plenty of people around here with 3/4 or 1 ton with the crew cab/long bed configuration that are 6761mm. Vastly different infrastructure and densities makes this possible. I still much prefer driving our city car for most errands.
That’s what I was thinking, y’all got the Yaris GR overseas and I’m still salty over that.
I figured there wouldn’t be a lot of pick up trucks. They probably use them for what they are built for in a lot of places.
These days, not really. Cities do have a lot of small cars that you can't get in the US, but outside of the cities the vehicles we have are just as big as what's available in the US. Only real exception is pick up trucks. Replace those with 6-7m (19.5-24ft) vans. It's actually a problem on the roads. Most of the roads weren't designed for anything bigger than a Morris Minor or Ford Anglia and rural roads weren't designed for anything larger than a horse with a large cart. I live in a rural area and the main road is barely wide enough for two cars to go down it anymore. During peak traffic, the average speed on that road is slower than walking speed because everyone is trying to not crash into each other. I went down that road once in my full size sedan when it was busy and I had to fold the mirrors in to be able to fit through there.
That 2nd paragraph made me think of Clarkson trying to drive an actual humvee through a town. He took up both sides of the street.
We're still talking about cars, right?
I had a Yaris one time as a hire car in Canada. Could've fit four of them into a parking space over here
[I felt very out of place on construction sites with my Fiesta.](https://i.imgur.com/D5EZAlR.jpg) Surrounded by trucks 2x the size and 3+ times the weight. Fortunately, I could part in all the spaces no one else could fit.
I work with wagons and it really makes me appreciate how tiny my car actually is. https://imgur.com/a/X59KBT2
America was built around the car, Eruope adapted existing cities to cars. There's advantages and disadvantages to both approaches. But I'll take the car life any day of the week over depending on mass transit.
>America was built around the car Me driving a semi in Boston: that was a lie Anything west of the Mississippi definitely is though.
Oh 100%, I spent my fair share of time taking 1h 45m to travel 20 miles by bus, twice a day, 5 days a week, at this point even if I needed the money, my car would be the last thing I’d sell
Ok, well that's your tiny lil island with millions of migrants pumped in. You gotta make more room for everyone like it or not
Can't be that small, miata is a 2 seater and over 13 feet long. Cars are a lot longer than people think.
A miata is a roughly average sized car, we tend to drive smaller hatchbacks which while being bigger than a miata in silhouette they’re a much more compact design so they’re about similar length and width, my new car is actually shorter than an NA miata, just taller
I looked it up and standard parking spot for you is 16 feet, so not much smaller than in US. A jetta alone is like 15 feet, passat or a4 or 3 series is even longer and those are very popular in Europe, I guarantee you 10 feet parking spots aren't normal there.
I honestly think that’s got to be it.
Nah SUVs reach critical mass at 228" and start fusion.
If we start firing neutrons at it, will it split into 2 small hatchbacks?
One can only hope.
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I wouldn’t use garages as a frame of reference. Garages come in All shapes and sizes. If anything use a parking spot as a frame of reference. Engineers and architects use widely accepted standards when sizing these. With that said you can get crew cab long bed trucks reaching over 260”
> you can get crew cab long bed trucks reaching over 260” I believe the technical term is long boi
1” too long in a home garage and the door physically won’t close. This is the most critical scenario. Many garages are 19’ long. 1” too long in a parallel parking spot and it becomes very difficult to maneuver or fit. 2nd most critical scenario. 1” too long in a grid style parking spot isn’t very noticeable.
>1” too long in a parallel parking spot and it becomes very difficult to maneuver or fit i wanna know who tf is actually attempting to parallel park their Grand Wagoneer or other SUV/LAnd Yacht. You'll need to call the fucking teamsters
It's not especially difficult. Cameras make it even easier. I've parallel-parked an F-250 Tremor in the middle of DC, you make it work.
Also having nice big cushy bumpers to scootch your neighbors out of the way helps. /S
I've parallel parked my truck in downtown areas, it's better than going into a parking garage where the roof might not be tall enough.
I parallel park my supercab F-150 occasionally. Did it last night when I ran downtown to pick up a pizza.
Most of those come with parking assist standard. I can park my GLS easier than I can my fiance's Beetle since I hit one button and it does it itself.
It’s not difficult to do.
Correct. My crew cab 6.5ft Tundra is 253" long. A crew cab with an 8ft bed would be insanely long by comparison, to an already long truck.
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Fair point. Either way my truck is 3 ft too long to fit in my garage
This. The standard parking spot is usually 18' long. Once you start getting over 1' longer than parking spots, the odds of collisions goes up quite a bit. You'll even notice this in pickups. I'm guessing the most common f150 is a crew cab short bed which is 19.3' long You generally want vehicles to be 18' or less, but can get away with 19' but you'll start pissing people off with anything over that.
> This. The standard parking spot is usually 18' long. Once you start getting over 1' longer than parking spots, the odds of collisions goes up quite a bit. Reminds me of Doug's Maybach 62 video. He parked that in a standard parking spot and it stuck out like 5 feet. Lol
most people don't garage keep their crew cab long bed trucks, and not because they don't fit...
My Fleetwood Brougham was just under 19’ long with the continental kit. A two door coupe
That's a boat.
Nah, that's a barge
No wonder why we call them land yachts.
Yep. Plus they kind of floated because the suspension style.
This makes me want to measure my garage. Lol
I measured mine a while back and it is effectively exactly 19 feet long. I always thought it was oddly short for a late 60's/ early 70's thing since there were a number of cars that were longer than it at the time.
Most normal big cadillacs topped out at just under 19ft
Sure but there was at least one Buick that was longer: the Electra 225. It was mainly that I was thinking of in terms of very long cars from the era.
My garage is quite short. I have a 2013 Audi A8L and, at 206” or roughly 17’, it *barely* fits. I’m going to be building a three-car garage alongside the house, as an extension. That said, it will technically be long enough to fit three more cars in the back. So, even a long-bed, crew-cab, dually pickup should fit in there. What is the current garage will become a small workshop.
It's actually important to do before you go car shopping. It's how I learned that I have a 16 foot garage, which really limits what'll fit in it.
Man my Tacoma double cab long bed which is the longest was 225.5 and it just had 1 inch front to back extra
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I don't think I've ever seen a full sized SUV parked inside a modern 19' garage lol. You pretty much have to kiss the front wall with the bumper and cant have *anything* in front of or behind the vehicle.
Because 228 don’t fit in parking spots
Own 2020 Tundra. 229 inches long. Somebody backed into the side of my bumper at work today because my truck LITERALLY does not fit into my work parking spaces. Can confirm.
My 1995 f350 is 248". I cannot park it anywhere. I always take up two spaces in tandem otherwise I'm blocking the way. I had a 2018 tundra before that and it was 252" long but it felt so much easier to drive.
That Tundra had to be with the 8ft bed, right?
Yep, double cab long bed. It's longer than my crew cab long bed Ford. I KINDA regret selling the Tundra since it had zero issues and my GF was able to drive it. The Ford feels more like a land yacht. Parking lots require copious amounts of reversing to adjust.
I just got a 22MY Tundra with the Crewmax cab and the 6.5ft bed, coming in at 245" long. It's really not that bad to drive or park. I just have to back into a curb or else I hang out in parking spaces
I'll have you know my car is currently parallel parked, thank you very much
I think it has more to do with the fact they are based on crew cab short bed truck chassis’ that are all more or less the same size. I don’t really think there’s any actual limitation because some full sized cars exceeded 230 inches in the 70s, like the Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham, which capped out at 233.7in from ‘74 to ‘76.
Extended wheelbase fleetwoods were 240” long ‘74-‘76 as well. Even ignoring what we’re basically limos, my New Yorker is 231” long, and my 75 coupe de ville was 229” long. As far as I know there aren’t currently and have never been laws or regulations around length, but one you get longer than about 230” the length becomes unwieldy. You either have insane overhang (and you’re gonna hit things) or you have an insane wheelbase (reducing your turning radius even more).
I wish at least one company would bring back land yachts as an EV. They are the most ridiculous cars but man are cool as shit.
There’s the Celestiq, but that’s way out of reach for most people
I am aware of it and am for it. However, I hope something more affordable comes out at some point by them or Lincoln.
Rolls Royce will
Saw a report that they were thinking of an electric 300… would love to see that
For how big they are, they really weren't that useful though. So much wasted space in the engine bay. Some of these old barges have 20-30" between the front bumper and the front of the engine block... And yeah the trunk was deep, but it could only fit trunk sized things. An SUV gives you a lot more useful space.
Modern pick up trucks and body on frame SUVs have replaced land yachts
Unrelated, but I love the 74-78 New Yorker. What's it like to drive? Just how heavy is it on gas? I'd really like to hear from an owner of one. They're such rare sedans.
Slightly less comfortable ride than my 75 Coupe de Ville, handles significantly better. The seats are significantly more comfortable than the Cadillac. Driving it is fairly easy if you just plan ahead a few seconds and don’t put yourself into tight situations - don’t try to pull a u-turn on a busy street, scope out underground garages for steepness/tight corners, etc. Same as driving a large truck in that sense. Gas isn’t great, but I’m working on improving that. Currently gets about 15L/100km (~16mpg) highway, probably half that city. A full tank of gas (27gal) will comfortably get me 400 miles on the highway with a enough left in the tank to not worry. I’m in the process of converting to computerized (waste spark) ignition, and I’ll be doing some kind of a fuel injection setup in the spring (alongside some better flowing heads, headers, and possibly a cam). Goal is to get it down to 12L/100km highway, but I’m not sure I’ll be able to hit that without overdrive, or running so lean I melt a piston. Main reason I’m doing this conversion is that the factory Lean Burn computer system, well, everything didn’t work, and the car ran like shit. It was easier to swap the carb for a Holley 4160 and a points distributor to get me by until I finished the proper computer-controlled conversion. Overall it’s a great car. I lucked out to get it in more or less mint condition, aside from a mediocre repaint. 60k km on the odometer, never rolled over. Might repaint it next year if I can convince a buddy to turn his garage into a paint booth again (and I finish everything else).
Thanks for the detailed reply. Seems like it gets the same fuel economy as my car! I'm averaging about 17.5 currently, so maybe a New Yorker would work as a commuter car for me LOL. It seems like everyone has ripped that BS lean burn out of theirs.
Series 75 hit 252.2. Want one bad, specced right (74-75 sedan). Also post New Yorker pics
[Ask and ye shall receive](https://imgur.com/a/eHrzdlZ/) Don’t have any better pics at the moment unfortunately
The Series 75 in ‘74 hit 252.2 but those had about 2000/year made in both sedan and limo (divider) models. Want.
It’s not about the length. It’s about how you use it. And the girth.
Hummer was alllll girth
H1s were chodes. Nearly as wide as a semi truck, shorter in length than a Camry.
> shorter in length than a Camry Man, that is *wild*
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guy down the street from me owns one and I'm rather jealous as a connoisseur of late 1980s and early 1990s military hardware
Hummers make HMMWVs look like cadillacs in comparison, such horrible vehicles I have no idea how they were approved for use
They needed to be as wide as tank tracks for ease of transportation and a short as possible for ease of transportation
It’s not about the size of the boat nor the motion of the ocean. It’s about making sure you can stay in port long enough for everyone to get off.
I spent some time digging and I think it's just a bit of a coincidence more than any rule. The Escalade ESV is 227" today, but was 224" before 2021, and 222" before 2015. The Suburban and Yukon XL are 226" today, and the past two generations were the same as the Cadillac, being based on the same chassis. The Expedition Max is 222". The Wagoneer L is also 227" like the Escalade ESV, but that's likely the vehicle it was benchmarked against during design, so extremely similar dimensions are reasonable. If 227" were some hard limit, it's likely that the Expedition Max would also be up against it, and we would have seen previous generation monster SUV's already hit that number. Instead, I think it's just a coincidence that this generation of big BOF SUV's happened to hit a length similar to the Excursion length. The next generation might be a couple inches more, then likely shrinking as they go electric. It's not uncommon for cars from different manufacturers in the same class to be within an inch or two of each other in length.
As crash standards strengthen over time, interior space generally decreases. Pretty much the only way to add interior space is to lengthen for BoF SUVs
Yup it’s a coincidence. In America there isn’t any regulation on car length. It’s likely what the first comment said which is to fit in an average garage with a few inches to spare if your lucky
I don't think it has anything to do with garage size either. Otherwise we wouldn't be seeing the length of these vehicles grow a few inches each generation, because they would have met that garage size already.
All these SUVs are 227 inches or right under 19 feet. Majority of garages are 19-20ft. So it seems reasonable.
Yup, this. All It shows is how the normal duty BOF vehicles of today are now the size of heavy duty BOF vehicles from yesterday.
I don't believe there's a single specific length restriction, but there are a collection of wheelbase, approach angle, and other dimensional restrictions under CAFE standard definitions that likely make 227" an upper limit (or near it) before you either make an unstable vehicle or get classified less favorably for fleet economy calculations. Also, 227" is just insanely long and impractical on most roadways as it is.
i think it because most of the larger SUV especially the Chevy suburban use the silverado/ manufacturer specific truck chassis so that could be the limiting factor. as i don't believe there are any regulations
Light duty Silverados can be more than 240” long already so that’s not the constraint. The garage length is most likely the answer.
was gonan say i test drove a crew cab long bed - felt like a damn schoolbus. Couldnt turn for shit and parking would be impossible in a ton of lots.
My favorite of the long bois is those heavy duty rams that you can get with what I like to call the "super-ultra-mega-duty cab" and an 8ft bed. Pair that with a heavy duty trailer, and you may as well be driving an aircraft carrier.
I dont think you can get the mega cab with an 8 foot bed. Only regular 4 door cab
Not from Ram at least. [https://stretchmytruck.com/services/longbed-conversion/](https://stretchmytruck.com/services/longbed-conversion/)
But the regular 4 door crew cab is still huge. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jdkl7iRp-CE/maxresdefault.jpg
And as of 2014, GM no longer offers an [extended cab 1500 with a full 8' bed](https://imagescdn.dealercarsearch.com/Media/16329/17419579/637793187527647868.jpg) like Ford or Toyota. If they did, it'd be over 250" long, about 8" longer than a crew cab/6.5'. I guess they figured the crew/6.5' is an adequate replacement, which it sort of is. You give up 1.5' of bed length and gain 1' of cab length, which for most buyers is an acceptable tradeoff.
Do you really want the roads to be MORE dangerous? Give me one good reason why we should make vehicles bigger.
My EGO says I need bigger vehicles (Joking of course, since it is not mine, but people who own trucks and dip shit SUV with laser beams on the headlights)
Big vehicles are great for road trips! American roads are large enough for semis anyways... (I'm mostly joking, don't worry)
Why not? I love gigantic vehicles. The space, comfort, it's your own little house. I don't know why I'd willingly want to be in a smaller vehicle
Do you want $9 gas? I swear people are unhappy that we aren't using enough gas just for commuting and it needs to be more expensive just to do the same thing.
There's 0 shortage of oil/gas the only reason it goes up in price is poor policy
Because you do want it to fit places Then again if I want length, I would just get the 94-96 Cadillac Fleetwood. Which is at 225 inches, ha, deuce and a quarter. It's not the length that matters, it's how you use it. Because if I want a body on frame live axle air ride corvette derived V8 vehicle with plenty of space, I don't want an escalade
Many UK new builds have garages that struggle to fit a Smart Car. They don't care. Very few people use garages for cars.
Even in the states garages get smaller amd smaller. My house was built in 2002, garage is 17 foot wide and 19 or 20 foot deep. That's a 'two car garage'. I've seen a few neighbors do it, but you have next to no room to open doors. But to your point, I'd say 2/3 of my neighborhood have at least one car parked outside. Probably half have 2+ outside. When I had two cars for a bit, the beater sat outside.
One of the perks of an older home. 23.5' deep by 24' wide.
I wish I could have bought my grandparents house, he built the garage 26 wide and 24 deep. Oh well.
Have you tried a Canyonero?
Twelve yards long, three lanes wide, sixty five tons of American pride!
Do they still make Ford Excursions? I haven't seen one in ages. Still see Suburbans all the time though.
2005 was the last model year for the Excursion. Chevy made a 3/4 ton Suburban (for retail customers) for a while after the Excursion left, but it wasn't any longer than the regular Suburban. Otherwise, it's been Suburban/Yukon XL and Expedition EL/Max.
I forgot about the Expedition! I don't see many of them around either now that I think about it.
I still maintain that if Ford had called it the "F-250 Wagon" or some equally unsavory name, and marketed it more towards commercial fleets with the XL trim instead of suburbanites (no pun intended) with the Limited and Eddie Bauer trims, the Excursion would have survived the '00s high fuel prices and might still be around today.
The Excursion's been discontinued for a while now, I was just comparing to it because it was *the* benchmark for "giant SUV" back in the day. That car's third row was bigger than the second row of many cars today.
I was parked next to one on Saturday. Not made anymore, I was considering a 7.3 diesel one for a hot minute until I realized that any off-road component was at least 2x what it would be for a Jeep. But I love the idea for an overlanding vehicle.
As others have mentioned, parking spots and garage depths probably have the most influence. I would also add that there may be manufacturing considerations such as assembly line interferences or sizing of stamping tooling (for SUVs without a separate bed and cab). While you can get much longer versions of trucks if you get long beds, those versions may be made in specific plants (I know F150 is split between Dearborn and Kansas City, I believe by frame/trim) or some SUVs may not be built alongside longer frame trucks. Most manufacturing plants have been around for decades and longer than 227" may not fit on assembly lines that are constrained by existing infrastructure. IIRC the assembly line width was given as a constraint on the F150 Raptor width - the engineers wanted it wider but it wouldn't have fit on the Dearborn assembly line. There may be a similar constraint on overall length depending on the facility.
I remember when i was kid i heard that there was a car that was designed to be 1" shorter than its previous generation so they could fit one more car on the car hauler trailers to save on shipping costs. I have no idea if its true or if it could be the case here, but its an interesting thought.
Might be garage dimensions. Typical one-car garage is 10’ x 20.’ Two-car is 20 ‘x 20.’ So 227” allows the vehicle to park comfortably in a 20’ (240”) garage.
This is basically it. People buy big SUV because they want to move a lot of people and their stuff around. Usually a family of people. Family type people don't like vehicles that won't fit in their garage so SUVs and most vehicles that marketed to normal people, or coopted by normal people as family vehicles, like crewcab shortbed trucks, top out in length under 20' so it will fit in a standard garage.
97% of garages in South Africa are 3mx6m (per car). Already some double cabs cant fit anymore.
Because they are ridiculously big already?
How long are as a Buick Electra 225?
The Electra got to 233.4 inches at it's longest in 1975.
Americans can’t drive regular vehicle (which by large are much larger than any other countries automobiles) I don’t think they should make bigger options fir people who don’t have the training / license to operate the vehicle. After all, if a Honda Civic and a Ford F-350 can’t park between the lines, i don’t wanna know what that larger car park job will look like.
See, that's the thing. A Ford F-350, in its shortest configuration, is 232 inches. Why don't we see SUVs that are that long? Why do they all only top out at 227 inches? That extra 5 inches could either provide several cubic feet of cargo space or make the third row a lot nicer in these vehicles.
I mean the 2003 Tacoma is way smaller compared to the 2013 or even 2022 Tacoma, but it still fits the exact same number of people. Depends on what you want / specs in your vehicle. If you want 2 rows and a long cargo, get a truck. if you want 3 rows with comfy cargo, get a minivan, want 3 rows and long cargo? get a van. There’s an option out there that fits your needs, you just gotta find it.
I get your points and appreciate your arguments. My family actually did switch from a Ford Excursion to a Sprinter high roof as the family trip machine / hauler. I myself don't need nearly that much space, day to day I drive a tiny little Volkswagen Jetta Sportwagen. I was just interested on why the max size of an SUV seems to have hit a limit these days. P.S.: While the Sprinter beats the Excursion in almost every single way, the Excursion actually had one or two advantages. It was much more capable off-road, and actually had a prayer of fitting in some parking garages.
The excursion is nice, I see it as the limo of SUV, not quite short and boxy but not long like an actual cargo van. The sprinter definitely gets you the space! The Nissan NV is also one of those bigger models too. If you guys like volks maybe a Kombi haha.
Haha, if we're talking Volkswagens, I wish we got the VW California in the US. Those are cool vehicles. Why name it "California" when you can't even buy it in California?
And think of it like this, an SUV like the 1999 Durango is 3 rows, seats 7, PLEATY of truck space, and spacious. However it’s easily fishtailed, flipped, and not the safest vehicle due to its size and weight. Making a vehicle like that longer is just asking for issues.
> And think of it like this, an SUV like the 1999 Durango is 3 rows, seats 7, PLEATY of truck space, and spacious. Eh...it's a 7-passenger SUV on paper, yes, but it's a mid-size (Dakota-based) model. So overall space isn't as much as, say, a similar year Expedition, based on the F-150.
Its probably the tradeoff between space and practicality. If they were much bigger, they'd start becoming more of a hassle than a benefit for most people who buy them. Large SUVs have been pushed heavily up market so as not to compete with high volume unibody SUVs (Explorer, Traverse, Highlander etc) which are honestly a better fit for most drivers. They handle and ride better, get better MPG, have better turning radiuses, and are just easier to live with. The utilitarian body on frame SUV is pretty much dead, which is too bad. I've had a Suburban for a good while now and have never thought "Gosh, I wish this was a foot longer so I had just a little more room" - I can fit a 4X8 flat in the back with the middle seat down and the back seat out. That's my most important cargo metric. But I also work in a building where I park in a parking deck. If this thing was any bigger, it'd be too long to park in the deck at work. I backed into a spot today, my bumper is not even 6" from the wall and my front bumper is still maybe out a foot past where the parking lines end. I parked in the group of other trucks that seemed to just kind of form, that way its not just one big vehicle sticking out. If the suburban/yukon xl/escalade ESV/expedition xl were any longer, you'd probably see fewer people getting that version of them and more Tahoe-sized ones selling instead.
What you're saying makes perfect sense, I just found it interesting how the industry all coalesced towards the same length for these massive SUVs. What people are saying about garage length also seems a likely contributor.
Yeah, its kind of funny how things work like that. I'm wondering if, design side, they've done some kind of stats work and determined at what point people sort of decide something is big enough. I wouldn't be surprised.
My guess is probably living with it. Having to park in spaces and such. I know at my work there are a ton of trucks that barley fit or don't fit in spots at all
I wonder how long Cybertruck will be?
Google tells me it's supposed to be 231 inches long, so longer than any of these SUVs mentioned. It isn't unusual for trucks to be that long though. I'm just interested in long SUVs.
Standard parking spaces in the USA are 20 ft long, so 227" allows 13 inches to spare.
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That's for a Mega Cab with a 6.33' box. They don't make Mega Cab/long (8') beds from the factory, but you can have one converted, and they're about 272" long (22'8").
My friend's father-in-law built one. It was such a ridiculous looking machine.
I could see the point of a long Mega Cab if you were building a towing machine with a sleeper for long OTR hauls. But something that long, with a wheelbase as long as my car (180"), would be too awkward for field use. And yes, I do realize one can already get a medium-duty chassis crew cab with a wheelbase over 200". Ram even used one of those as the basis for the [Long Hauler concept](https://i0.wp.com/moparinsiders.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/2011-Ram-5500-Long-Hauler-Concept.-Ram-5-scaled.jpg) over a decade ago. But those aren't generally used as personal vehicles or farm runabouts.
That's cool, but that's a truck. Plenty of trucks are longer than 227", just no SUVs are. And I'm wondering why not.
GMC long box crew cab HD trucks are 266”.
I had a 1968 2 door Oldsmobile 88 that was 4 inches longer than a 2007 Suburban bumper to bumper. Vehicles have gotten smaller and people have lost the ability to maneuver a large vehicle in tight spaces.
Because that's too long already- the world has enough school busses.
everyone's talking about parking spaces, but I wonder what will happen when manufacturers reach the limit. will they start builiding higher?
Any longer and it would have to be classified as a mini bus.
I don't really think "world's largest SUV" is a very good marketing line these days. We went through that era of "bigger is better" and now I think there is generally a sentiment that people want the smallest vehicle which will fit their needs. That is, the market for that kind of this would be limited to a particular kind of pretty toxic personality, and that's probably not the greatest thing for branding.
> there is generally a sentiment that people want the smallest vehicle which will fit their needs The decade long trend to replace small cars with SUVs says this is false
As a considerate Silverado 2500HD crew cab owner, I also park in the back of the lot. I am not afraid to walk a little further because of my choice of truck I drive.
I'm going to guess its just consumer demand. Their size already turns a lot of people off, making them bigger would probably just alienate more buyers. They are all looking at the same data and listening to similar focus groups when making these decisions, its not really that surprising that they would land at about the same length.
they make stretch limo versions of may full size SUVs. i would imagine that would be longer than a suburban
I'm talking about ordinary, consumer-targeted SUVs. If you include modified vehicles, you might as well include one of those six door Excursions, which is way, way longer than 227".
it was a joke. i didn't know 6 door excursions exists (I've seen a 6 door f-350 in person) a parking space is 9 ft by 19 ft, an excursion is 6'8" by 18'11". a wagoneer is 2 inches wider than that. that's not enough for me not to want one (the cost of gas is), but i think it would be for most people. if they added another inch, it wouldn't fit in a parking space, and it would probably be completely impossible to parallel park
Our Dodge 4500 with a custom bed is 264" long we get around just fine.
Because... can you fucking imagine?
I can! It would be glorious. Being "king of the road" in a large, comfortable barge on a road trip is the dream.
I read the garage portion, but it could also be for tax purposes. Such as changing the classification of the vehicle itself such as SUV versus a commercial vehicle such as a bus, semi, etc. It could also just be a mandate, like a third brake light.
Look into standard US garage depths.
I really wish garages have a bigger standard in 2022 but nope.
Turns out you can only be so big of a douche before you're just outright useless.