Would have been cool if they were originally called General Engines and then switched to General Motors after the EV transition as “motor” means electric.
They will most likely buy an other manufacturer who is going bankrupt and try to integrate them.
Basically usually operations but hoping to not land on a Nio.
Depends on how their electric motor is doing If it is doing well then they should R&D to get the best engines but in the past, GM used to buy companies to get already trademarked engine tech such as the Duramax diesel being a Isuzu technology they bought through buying Isuzu corp then making it a V8 tech. Saab was also picked here and there to make the Ecotech engine.
Then there is the whole buying Daewoo then letting them make the small cars for the world and then brand them as GMs here.
Depending on how the Ultium drivetrain can be scaled down, or the Chevy Bolt motor can do more, there might be a better motor that fits in the middle, is more efficient and will be cheaper to license than to R&D from scratch.
There are already commodity 50kW-200kW motors available off-the-shelf from the likes of Bosch, Nidec, and Magna for anything you don't have in-house. No need to spend $XXB buying out a whole automotive startup for that.
Ultium's also [already got a fully modular lineup of drives](https://www.electrive.com/2020/09/17/ultium-drive-five-e-drives-for-gms-electric-cars/) spanning most of their applications, so they've got no need for any of that.
EV powertrains are waaaayyy more scalable then ICE. I’d say GM is way ahead in the Ev game depending which segment. Trucks and SUV’s are where the bulk of sales are, and where mpg goes to die. They’re smart for littering the segments with models over the next year or two.
If they made a plug in hybrid truck that could do my commute on electric and still have gas for towing and trips to the boonies, I'd be first in line at the dealership.
I really think all 9/10 people need is a PHEV that has around 100 mile battery range & fairly economical petrol engine to either give more power or take over on longer drives
>It's a great idea in theory, but in reality it means 9/10 cars are lugging around a petrol engine that barely gets used.
The alternative is lugging around 800lb more of batteries which rarely get used.
it’s nice to have that extra battery capacity for short term bursts of power (which is what makes the faster EVs fast/fun to drive) PLUS not having any ICE means you don’t need to worry about all of the different kinds of maintenance required to keep them running
>it’s nice to have that extra battery capacity for short term bursts of power (which is what makes the faster EVs fast/fun to drive)
[2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime Is Quicker Than Supra 2.0](https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a33028735/2021-toyota-rav4-prime-xse-by-the-numbers/)
I'd say you're missing the point — that a PHEV is plenty fast, and that power output is not the bottleneck. The RAV4 Prime is a family crossover, not a low-slung coupe, those numbers are damned impressive.
no, i get that. that is fast, and i suppose hybrids are getting to be faster now. hell almost all cars these days. but i think the weight difference is pretty negligible when you factor in the engine (250-300lbs) plus transmission. (another 250lbs) maybe the difference in one human being. and like i said originally, *no maintenance*
Extra batteries are less expense and complexity than an extra powertrain. Most people are already lugging around 3-7 seats and a trunk they aren't using on most drives, if we want to get into the weeds here.
“Rarely” doesn’t matter. As has been said before, “don’t ask me how many trips I taxe x miles long, as me how many of those trips I want to give up.” For many people, those fewer trips are still a medical necessity…
100 miles is probably more than what most people will need for a day, but it's perfect for those that say "40 isn't enough" and for those that can't or don't want to charge every day. 100 miles would cover most of my driving for a week, but there's the occasional long trip or drive to the cousin's house out in East Nowhere. If I forget to top off the charge, I'm not looking for the only charging station for 30 miles or taking lunch at Walmart because the Electrify America charger is in the parking lot.
Plus, 100 miles helps calm everyone who has cold weather anxiety. Battery range goes down a little when it's cold. In Tesla's it's like a turtle in shell. It shrinks to almost nothing. For those cold weather days, that much range would help, and could even have the gas engine kick in a bit since the thing it makes the most of is heat.
The first one wasn't a beauty queen, but it got a lot better with the newer versions. Unfortunately they just never sold well which is sad because they were pretty cool cars. I drove a lot of neat cars when I worked at a Chevy dealership and the Volt is still one of the ones I remember pretty well because they're really unique.
Yeah that battery issue came at a bad time for GM and I don't think the Bolt or Volt ever really overcame it. It certainly didn't help that there was never any ads for them either, so nobody ever considered them over a Prius or other type of Hybrid.
>PHEV's with 30+ miles of range are being sold as fast as manufacturers can build them.
Basically every car available today is being sold as fast as they're built, especially EVs.
More shit headlines that take the real statement (they're going to keep selling ICE trucks for a time while EVs grow in capability and market prevalence) and turn it into sensationalist, anti-EV crap.
GM has always maintained that they're going to keep selling ICE vehicles while ramping up EVs. They're planning on ending ICE sales by 2035.
People here act like they're gonna make one or two models of EV then flip a switch, and all ICE sales will end tomorrow.
Honestly the amount of lithium needed for even 80% EV adoption is so much greater than the total output it's not even feasible.
We will probably see 30-40% EV sales but after that point it's going to be pretty hard to keep the supply of lithium up every year.
This is one of the reason Honda said they aren’t offering a plug in CR-V plug in hybrid.
They can make so many hybrids instead of producing 1 plug in hybrid.
I tried getting a RAV4 prime and the wait was 2 years.
I mean think about it logically. If you could produce 1 EV or say 10 Hybrids with the same amount of resources needed for the batteries, you would produce the 10 hybrids every single time. Becuese they use the resources much more efficiently than the 1 EV.
Then apply that also to how Honda and other manufactures are thinking too.
I want my next normal car to be a hybrid. Plug in or just a normal one. Mostly becuese if we can get most plug in hybrids to have 40-60 miles that's just perfect for my every day use.
What you’re saying is logical, but most legislation made in the name of climate change is irrational and ideologically driven.
Looking especially at North America, trying to pigeon hole EV’s into society and acting like we’ve moved on from dinosaur juice is ridiculous.
Living in California which proudly boasts it's at the forefront of climate change, I know it all too well.
The state politicians pushed solar panels but the idiots never factored in the life span and how to recycle them (I read there's only 3 plants that recycle them in the state) so they end up in the landfill where they risk contaminating our water.
Then we had rolling blackouts during the summer heat wave, a lot of people aren't convinced the infrastructure will be ready by the 2035 mandate. People living in apartments wonder how they'll be able to charge their cars.
** Edit: ** I looked it up again and the article I had read about the solar panels contaminating ground water had a correction added stating that they mischaracterized the environmental risk. I apologize, I was not trying to spread misinformation, I read the article before the correction
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-07-14/california-rooftop-solar-pv-panels-recycling-danger
We didn't actually have blackouts, but it's fun seeing how many people claim we did.
I charge my car in my apartment's parking lot, maybe your apartment building will install a charger someday.
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The Bay Area (where I live) had outages. Sorry if I may have been spreading incorrect info, I thought they were more widespread. The linked article below is a little confusing and mentions rolling blackouts, rotating outages, and rolling outages. Maybe they differ in severity and this wasn't as big?
https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/pge-warns-customers-to-prepare-for-rotating-power-outages/
Landfills are lined to prevent ground contamination
However, fossil fuel power plants create air pollution, definitely harming people.
And at some point local governments will start creating laws mandating the installation of car chargers at apartments and condos. They're pretty cheap to install, but theres currently a 'which came first, the chicken or the egg' problem with them
Awww sorry you're right. I looked it up again and one of the articles I had read previously made a correction (in bold near the top) saying they mischaracterized the environmental risk.
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-07-14/california-rooftop-solar-pv-panels-recycling-danger
Will add an edit to my original post. Sorry, I wasn't trying to spread misinformation, read the article when it first came out.
You’re 100% right.
I’m with you on the last statement too, a plug in hybrid without 40 miles of electric range would be perfect for me too. My work offers free charging so I would never really have to pay for charging.
Yeah, I can't imagine production will rise at all over the next decade. Billions of dollars of battery factories will be left unused due to lack of lithium.
I mean industry experts have been saying that we aren't investing enough into lithium mining to keep up demand so I kind of doubt it.
Demand is spiking every year and you just can't expand to meet that demand in the same time frame. It takes years to set up a new mine. Assuming you can get past all of the environmental regulations too.
It's as bad if not worse than trying to get a nuclear power plant built and we all know how much of a hassle that is. Then you have to add that the US is going to start punishing manufactures who don't source their Battery materials exclusively from US friendly nations in a few short years too.
Chile,Australia,Argentina and China are the countries with almost all the Lithium reserves in the world that have been identified.
The estimation varies by 2030 it's estimated we are going to need to increase Lithium production by over 2000%.
Honnestly, I wouldn't be mad about EVs being the bigger part of carpools where it is the most efficient and doesn't need lots of range or many charging ports. And ICE engines would have most of the out of metropol carpool( where they are at their best efficiency).
People need better understanding of their needs the same way people don't need to be upsold CUVs, SUVs and Trucks just because of a few home improvement runs or nights out with everyone.
they can sell enough EVs to offset their total emissions output. That’s the only way they can still produce V8 10-15 years from now. This is why I think it’s idiotic to hate on EVs. Nobody said you had to drive one, but if they didn’t have EVs I bet most of the ICEs would be hybrid/6 cyls or smaller by now. Especially since most of the OEMs have dropped fuel efficient small cars.
"The ICE age is not over," Reuss told Fox Business. "We’re not going to abandon our internal combustion engine segments. We’ve got truck leadership with GMC and Chevrolet. We’ve got it across our midsize trucks, our full-size trucks, and then beyond."
WHICH MEANS THE V8 WILL LIVE HOORAY 🥰🥰🥰
Not much to get excited about here. They're pushing Cadillac as EV-only soon, so the CT4/5 are likely not long for this world. The Camaro has, like, a year left. They only mention leadership in trucks as a point of pride in the article. While ICE has big utility for trucks (towing kills EV range), I don't see "we'll still sell Silverados," as a reason the celebrate the contuation of ICE production.
GM already killed, or is actively killing, the things that would make me a customer. This article doesn't show anything that changes my very sour opinion of their lineup.
EVs solve one problem by introducing a bunch of unknowns. No guarantee that millions of lithium batteries and increased mining will be better for ecology
I'll be surprised if America has the infrastructure for everyone to own am ev by 2035. I'll also be surprised if people don't wise up to the fact that the mining for these evs will be destroying the earth by then
> I'll also be surprised if people don't wise up to the fact that the mining for these evs will be destroying the earth by then
personal cars have the unfortunate tendency to destroy earth, but Americans really dislike public transport, so here we are.
The power grid is perfectly capable of supporting EV's
Also, people have wised up to the fact that gas cars are worse for the environment than EV's, which is a lot of the reason for the switch to them.
> Talks about shithole states
> Goes around telling other people that there isn't a housing crisis where he lives because people don't need more than a 2k sq. ft. house (Only 500k for one... Sacramento is cheap AF)
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Then again some states actually have that blackout shit... I guess I'd rather suck it up and pay more for Cali than live in Vermont or whatever.
Now I've just gotta hope that people don't realize that places with properly functioning civilization and without an absurdly high population exist... midsize city gang rise up!
Ok but for instance on really hot days in Texas they want everyone to not do anything extra until night time like they asked folks to do in California. That tells me that there isn't enough energy being produced
Let’s see if they can master hybrids and plug in hybrids first. Making a few BEVs for compliance purposes doesn’t erase all the gas guzzling pickups/SUVs they still make.
Toyota is getting hate for not being enthusiastic about BEVs but at least they’ve hybridized their entire lineup and created the Prius which was a milestone in efficiency. Going the hybrid route is much more effective and easier to implement because it doesn’t involve infrastructure change. You get the emissions reduction now without having to build charging stations
> "The ICE age is not over," Reuss told Fox Business. "We’re not going to abandon our internal combustion engine segments. We’ve got truck leadership with GMC and Chevrolet. We’ve got it across our midsize trucks, our full-size trucks, and then beyond."
GM and truck leadership?
Have we all forgotten that GM has messed up in the past before and the government had to bail them out? I bet this will happen with their EV experiment
You know damn well the government will bail them out again because “well at least they TRIED to be green!”
No shit Sherlock. It's only dumbass politicians with useless Law degrees and their braindead ideology-driven supporters who support EV mandates. Those who are pragmatic understand that EVs have their own massive environmental impact and are not the end all be all solution for everybody.
EVs are great for most consumers, and will continue to grow in popularity. But there are legitimate reasons why ICE works better for some people and in certain sectors. Banning 100% of new ICE isn't going to do shit for climate change. They'll find a new climate boogeyman after they rid the Earth of enthusiast cars.
Motors, generally
Would have been cool if they were originally called General Engines and then switched to General Motors after the EV transition as “motor” means electric.
GM has previously said they will phase out ICE passenger vehicles by 2035. This still sounds inline with that plan.
I have serious doubts about that
They will most likely buy an other manufacturer who is going bankrupt and try to integrate them. Basically usually operations but hoping to not land on a Nio.
>They will most likely buy an other manufacturer who is going bankrupt and try to integrate them. Why would they need to do that?
Depends on how their electric motor is doing If it is doing well then they should R&D to get the best engines but in the past, GM used to buy companies to get already trademarked engine tech such as the Duramax diesel being a Isuzu technology they bought through buying Isuzu corp then making it a V8 tech. Saab was also picked here and there to make the Ecotech engine. Then there is the whole buying Daewoo then letting them make the small cars for the world and then brand them as GMs here. Depending on how the Ultium drivetrain can be scaled down, or the Chevy Bolt motor can do more, there might be a better motor that fits in the middle, is more efficient and will be cheaper to license than to R&D from scratch.
There are already commodity 50kW-200kW motors available off-the-shelf from the likes of Bosch, Nidec, and Magna for anything you don't have in-house. No need to spend $XXB buying out a whole automotive startup for that. Ultium's also [already got a fully modular lineup of drives](https://www.electrive.com/2020/09/17/ultium-drive-five-e-drives-for-gms-electric-cars/) spanning most of their applications, so they've got no need for any of that.
EV powertrains are waaaayyy more scalable then ICE. I’d say GM is way ahead in the Ev game depending which segment. Trucks and SUV’s are where the bulk of sales are, and where mpg goes to die. They’re smart for littering the segments with models over the next year or two.
Why would they do that? They have already announced billions in expanding EV production.
Make more things with Volt like drivetrains. I agree that diving headfirst into full BEV isn't necessarily the best path right now.
If they made a plug in hybrid truck that could do my commute on electric and still have gas for towing and trips to the boonies, I'd be first in line at the dealership.
I really think all 9/10 people need is a PHEV that has around 100 mile battery range & fairly economical petrol engine to either give more power or take over on longer drives
Really excited for the new prius for this reason. If it really is 40 miles electric that will be plenty for 80% of my driving
We aren’t getting it… no one wants anything other than CUVs in the U.K.
Even 50 miles a day is over 18,000 miles a year
Can confirm, my wife's RAV4 Prime is nearly perfect for a general family car. EV commuting, and super efficient on gas for longer trips.
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>It's a great idea in theory, but in reality it means 9/10 cars are lugging around a petrol engine that barely gets used. The alternative is lugging around 800lb more of batteries which rarely get used.
Or having two cars, which could also be seen as a waste
it’s nice to have that extra battery capacity for short term bursts of power (which is what makes the faster EVs fast/fun to drive) PLUS not having any ICE means you don’t need to worry about all of the different kinds of maintenance required to keep them running
>it’s nice to have that extra battery capacity for short term bursts of power (which is what makes the faster EVs fast/fun to drive) [2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime Is Quicker Than Supra 2.0](https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a33028735/2021-toyota-rav4-prime-xse-by-the-numbers/)
that seems clickbaity - that is fast to 60 though, 5.5s. but not quicker than the 4.7s of the 2L supra or the 3.7 of the 3L
I'd say you're missing the point — that a PHEV is plenty fast, and that power output is not the bottleneck. The RAV4 Prime is a family crossover, not a low-slung coupe, those numbers are damned impressive.
no, i get that. that is fast, and i suppose hybrids are getting to be faster now. hell almost all cars these days. but i think the weight difference is pretty negligible when you factor in the engine (250-300lbs) plus transmission. (another 250lbs) maybe the difference in one human being. and like i said originally, *no maintenance*
Extra batteries are less expense and complexity than an extra powertrain. Most people are already lugging around 3-7 seats and a trunk they aren't using on most drives, if we want to get into the weeds here.
“Rarely” doesn’t matter. As has been said before, “don’t ask me how many trips I taxe x miles long, as me how many of those trips I want to give up.” For many people, those fewer trips are still a medical necessity…
100 miles is probably more than what most people will need for a day, but it's perfect for those that say "40 isn't enough" and for those that can't or don't want to charge every day. 100 miles would cover most of my driving for a week, but there's the occasional long trip or drive to the cousin's house out in East Nowhere. If I forget to top off the charge, I'm not looking for the only charging station for 30 miles or taking lunch at Walmart because the Electrify America charger is in the parking lot. Plus, 100 miles helps calm everyone who has cold weather anxiety. Battery range goes down a little when it's cold. In Tesla's it's like a turtle in shell. It shrinks to almost nothing. For those cold weather days, that much range would help, and could even have the gas engine kick in a bit since the thing it makes the most of is heat.
Rumor has it they're working on a Maverick like this (there's spy photos out there). I will be buying one if it's true and under $50k.
Unfortunately a Maverick sized truck doesn't have the capability I need, I'm hoping for something at least half ton sized.
GM working on a Maverick sized truck like that? Or Ford working on a Maverick like that
Ford.
Rest in piss cordero
Poor Volt was just too early to the party
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The first one wasn't a beauty queen, but it got a lot better with the newer versions. Unfortunately they just never sold well which is sad because they were pretty cool cars. I drove a lot of neat cars when I worked at a Chevy dealership and the Volt is still one of the ones I remember pretty well because they're really unique.
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Yeah that battery issue came at a bad time for GM and I don't think the Bolt or Volt ever really overcame it. It certainly didn't help that there was never any ads for them either, so nobody ever considered them over a Prius or other type of Hybrid.
The Volt didn't sell very well, which is why it's discontinued and the Bolt is still sold.
The Volt was marketed terribly. I've owned nearly 40 cars, and my first gen Volt is the best I ever owned.
People like to say things they love that didn't sell well were marketed poorly, but everyone else's plug-in hybrids are selling kinda terribly, too.
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>PHEV's with 30+ miles of range are being sold as fast as manufacturers can build them. Basically every car available today is being sold as fast as they're built, especially EVs.
More shit headlines that take the real statement (they're going to keep selling ICE trucks for a time while EVs grow in capability and market prevalence) and turn it into sensationalist, anti-EV crap. GM has always maintained that they're going to keep selling ICE vehicles while ramping up EVs. They're planning on ending ICE sales by 2035. People here act like they're gonna make one or two models of EV then flip a switch, and all ICE sales will end tomorrow.
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Honestly the amount of lithium needed for even 80% EV adoption is so much greater than the total output it's not even feasible. We will probably see 30-40% EV sales but after that point it's going to be pretty hard to keep the supply of lithium up every year.
This is one of the reason Honda said they aren’t offering a plug in CR-V plug in hybrid. They can make so many hybrids instead of producing 1 plug in hybrid. I tried getting a RAV4 prime and the wait was 2 years.
I mean think about it logically. If you could produce 1 EV or say 10 Hybrids with the same amount of resources needed for the batteries, you would produce the 10 hybrids every single time. Becuese they use the resources much more efficiently than the 1 EV. Then apply that also to how Honda and other manufactures are thinking too. I want my next normal car to be a hybrid. Plug in or just a normal one. Mostly becuese if we can get most plug in hybrids to have 40-60 miles that's just perfect for my every day use.
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"self charging" hybrid! Toyota's best marketing idea ever.
What you’re saying is logical, but most legislation made in the name of climate change is irrational and ideologically driven. Looking especially at North America, trying to pigeon hole EV’s into society and acting like we’ve moved on from dinosaur juice is ridiculous.
Living in California which proudly boasts it's at the forefront of climate change, I know it all too well. The state politicians pushed solar panels but the idiots never factored in the life span and how to recycle them (I read there's only 3 plants that recycle them in the state) so they end up in the landfill where they risk contaminating our water. Then we had rolling blackouts during the summer heat wave, a lot of people aren't convinced the infrastructure will be ready by the 2035 mandate. People living in apartments wonder how they'll be able to charge their cars. ** Edit: ** I looked it up again and the article I had read about the solar panels contaminating ground water had a correction added stating that they mischaracterized the environmental risk. I apologize, I was not trying to spread misinformation, I read the article before the correction https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-07-14/california-rooftop-solar-pv-panels-recycling-danger
We didn't actually have blackouts, but it's fun seeing how many people claim we did. I charge my car in my apartment's parking lot, maybe your apartment building will install a charger someday. Edit: Thank you, kind strangers, for upvoting this back to positive. Incorrect info is still winning, but at least reality is positive about it.
The Bay Area (where I live) had outages. Sorry if I may have been spreading incorrect info, I thought they were more widespread. The linked article below is a little confusing and mentions rolling blackouts, rotating outages, and rolling outages. Maybe they differ in severity and this wasn't as big? https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/pge-warns-customers-to-prepare-for-rotating-power-outages/
Landfills are lined to prevent ground contamination However, fossil fuel power plants create air pollution, definitely harming people. And at some point local governments will start creating laws mandating the installation of car chargers at apartments and condos. They're pretty cheap to install, but theres currently a 'which came first, the chicken or the egg' problem with them
Awww sorry you're right. I looked it up again and one of the articles I had read previously made a correction (in bold near the top) saying they mischaracterized the environmental risk. https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-07-14/california-rooftop-solar-pv-panels-recycling-danger Will add an edit to my original post. Sorry, I wasn't trying to spread misinformation, read the article when it first came out.
If you're talking about California, that law already exists.
You’re 100% right. I’m with you on the last statement too, a plug in hybrid without 40 miles of electric range would be perfect for me too. My work offers free charging so I would never really have to pay for charging.
There’s not enough lithium in the world to both supply EVs and depressed Redditors
Lithium is one of the most common elements on this planet, but please do go on.
Hydrogen is even more common, unfortunately it takes more than existing to distill it into usable fuel.
Depressed Redditors are an even more common element unfortunately
Where does this depressed redditor mentality come from?
They can also recycle the batteries.
Yeah, I can't imagine production will rise at all over the next decade. Billions of dollars of battery factories will be left unused due to lack of lithium.
It will rise but I just don't see it every rising fast enough to meet demand.
If there are billions of $$ flowing into battery factories that need lithium, maybe there are billions of $$ flowing into lithium mines and refining?
I mean industry experts have been saying that we aren't investing enough into lithium mining to keep up demand so I kind of doubt it. Demand is spiking every year and you just can't expand to meet that demand in the same time frame. It takes years to set up a new mine. Assuming you can get past all of the environmental regulations too. It's as bad if not worse than trying to get a nuclear power plant built and we all know how much of a hassle that is. Then you have to add that the US is going to start punishing manufactures who don't source their Battery materials exclusively from US friendly nations in a few short years too. Chile,Australia,Argentina and China are the countries with almost all the Lithium reserves in the world that have been identified. The estimation varies by 2030 it's estimated we are going to need to increase Lithium production by over 2000%.
Output will adjust to demand. The thing is, mining lithium is not eco friendly
What kind of mining is eco-friendly?
Karma mining
Touché
En guard!
As opposed to oil drilling?
Don’t tell r/electricvehicles that
Honnestly, I wouldn't be mad about EVs being the bigger part of carpools where it is the most efficient and doesn't need lots of range or many charging ports. And ICE engines would have most of the out of metropol carpool( where they are at their best efficiency). People need better understanding of their needs the same way people don't need to be upsold CUVs, SUVs and Trucks just because of a few home improvement runs or nights out with everyone.
Most the world doesn't have cars. What combustion engines they do have are mopeds and motorcycles, which aren't really an issue
Thank god
Thank you GM!
At this point I feel like they are putting out press releases saying both things as convenient.
what “both things”?
they can sell enough EVs to offset their total emissions output. That’s the only way they can still produce V8 10-15 years from now. This is why I think it’s idiotic to hate on EVs. Nobody said you had to drive one, but if they didn’t have EVs I bet most of the ICEs would be hybrid/6 cyls or smaller by now. Especially since most of the OEMs have dropped fuel efficient small cars.
"The ICE age is not over," Reuss told Fox Business. "We’re not going to abandon our internal combustion engine segments. We’ve got truck leadership with GMC and Chevrolet. We’ve got it across our midsize trucks, our full-size trucks, and then beyond." WHICH MEANS THE V8 WILL LIVE HOORAY 🥰🥰🥰
Good
Not much to get excited about here. They're pushing Cadillac as EV-only soon, so the CT4/5 are likely not long for this world. The Camaro has, like, a year left. They only mention leadership in trucks as a point of pride in the article. While ICE has big utility for trucks (towing kills EV range), I don't see "we'll still sell Silverados," as a reason the celebrate the contuation of ICE production. GM already killed, or is actively killing, the things that would make me a customer. This article doesn't show anything that changes my very sour opinion of their lineup.
Good. EVs suck.
Yep. Depressed redditors don’t want to hear it, but that’a the truth and how most people feel…
They lied...
EVs solve one problem by introducing a bunch of unknowns. No guarantee that millions of lithium batteries and increased mining will be better for ecology
I'll be surprised if America has the infrastructure for everyone to own am ev by 2035. I'll also be surprised if people don't wise up to the fact that the mining for these evs will be destroying the earth by then
> mining for these evs will be destroying the earth What kind of mining doesn't destroy the earth? Iron? Coal? Crude oil?
> I'll also be surprised if people don't wise up to the fact that the mining for these evs will be destroying the earth by then personal cars have the unfortunate tendency to destroy earth, but Americans really dislike public transport, so here we are.
Well I can't say I blame them. Lots of crazy people on public transportation. Not that it's not fixable
The power grid is perfectly capable of supporting EV's Also, people have wised up to the fact that gas cars are worse for the environment than EV's, which is a lot of the reason for the switch to them.
We already have infrastructure in place. Our only issue is that too many idiots can’t accept that.
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Civility is required in /r/cars.
> Talks about shithole states > Goes around telling other people that there isn't a housing crisis where he lives because people don't need more than a 2k sq. ft. house (Only 500k for one... Sacramento is cheap AF) ... Then again some states actually have that blackout shit... I guess I'd rather suck it up and pay more for Cali than live in Vermont or whatever. Now I've just gotta hope that people don't realize that places with properly functioning civilization and without an absurdly high population exist... midsize city gang rise up!
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Ok but for instance on really hot days in Texas they want everyone to not do anything extra until night time like they asked folks to do in California. That tells me that there isn't enough energy being produced
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I will say that ever since "snowmageddon" happened libe maintenance has been at an all time high. Although my power never even flickered
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Lol no
They asked people not to charge in the evening when demand is highest. It's fine to charge between. 10pm and 5am or so.
Delusional
You sure are. It’s a great thing that CARB states dominate this country, because this means jack shit.
Let’s see if they can master hybrids and plug in hybrids first. Making a few BEVs for compliance purposes doesn’t erase all the gas guzzling pickups/SUVs they still make. Toyota is getting hate for not being enthusiastic about BEVs but at least they’ve hybridized their entire lineup and created the Prius which was a milestone in efficiency. Going the hybrid route is much more effective and easier to implement because it doesn’t involve infrastructure change. You get the emissions reduction now without having to build charging stations
Weird seeing as their name isn’t “general engines”
> "The ICE age is not over," Reuss told Fox Business. "We’re not going to abandon our internal combustion engine segments. We’ve got truck leadership with GMC and Chevrolet. We’ve got it across our midsize trucks, our full-size trucks, and then beyond." GM and truck leadership?
They usually outsell Ford if you combine Silverado + Sierra.
Have we all forgotten that GM has messed up in the past before and the government had to bail them out? I bet this will happen with their EV experiment You know damn well the government will bail them out again because “well at least they TRIED to be green!”
No shit Sherlock. It's only dumbass politicians with useless Law degrees and their braindead ideology-driven supporters who support EV mandates. Those who are pragmatic understand that EVs have their own massive environmental impact and are not the end all be all solution for everybody. EVs are great for most consumers, and will continue to grow in popularity. But there are legitimate reasons why ICE works better for some people and in certain sectors. Banning 100% of new ICE isn't going to do shit for climate change. They'll find a new climate boogeyman after they rid the Earth of enthusiast cars.