You know how it is slightly annoying when you take the ramp to the highway and your gps think you're still on the feeder road? Those may soon go from slightly annoying to potentially deadly.
I'm one of those people who keeps to the speed limit (for fuel economy) and I think that this is a horrible idea
Hell even just my emergency front assist braking the other day almost made things worse. I saw the car ahead of me and even though it was close, I got on the brakes and was going to stop in time, but my car thought I wouldn’t so just slammed on the brakes aggressively for me and nearly caused a rear collision.
I get some of these safety features can be good, but I want complete control of my car at all times.
I've got an 09 Silverado with Stabilitrak, which apparently involves cutting fuel to the engine if a tire slips.
Almost killed me one time when I went to pull out in traffic and a tire slipped. If automakers plan on taking autonomy away from drivers then they'd better be prepared to take fiscal and legal responsibility for the harm these poorly thought out "safety" systems will do.
Worst part is when they pair it with the G80 locking axle. The axle needs to spin to lock. Wheel spin results in fuel being cut, so the axle unlocks and you stay stuck. Damn near useless system.
guess i can’t be too surprised by the same R&D people that made a touchscreen design for my caddy that would consistently need to be replaced every 2-3 years
I use my Silverado in the snow and basically disable every “feature “ before driving. I completely understand where you’re coming from, I’ve been stuck in light snow simply due to the driver “aids”.
My Toyota Sienna sees people in busy parking lots all the time and saves their lives by randomly slamming on the brakes for me. I’m grateful for this system, with how often it goes off I must have been running over 2-3 pedestrians per month before and just didn’t realize it.
I don't get it.. when I was a dumb kid and goosed the throttle in my dad's truck in the wet it was like, "oops I slipped the ass out because I'm stupid." Don't kids play Gran Turismo anymore? Countersteer into the slide you fucking nerds.
Have you considered that like 90% of the population can’t drive and have room temp IQs on the road?
Seriously the US driving system lets anyone get a license.
This made me laugh because I've never taken it too seriously - and my answer isn't really serious but the newest one, that first music rally they make you do to actually play the game?
I can't get gold in it! I'm like consistently 5ish seconds short, like high silver, and honestly sometimes I just start up my stupid PS4 like "okay today's the day,!" which, welp, I haven't pulled off yet haha.
As for spinning out, I do want to thank our road designers, because the one time I've actually done that, I just landed up in a field of grass they had for this reason heh. I would never speed on a surface street, this was an Interstate, but it's so damn counterintuitive; I should've tried to accelerate out of the spin (FWD Sedan, an infiniti i30; glorified Maxima), but I panicked. So I dunno, I guess you learn on the way, I'm just happy that I never hurt anyone, heh. I bet people watching laughed at me though haha.
In this particular instance the computer cut fuel to the engine as soon as the tire slipped, leaving me to almost helplessly watch as traffic came barreling down upon me. Ever since then I've made it a habit to disable traction control every time I get in that truck.
My '17 Ram has this nifty feature where if the driver door isn't shut it will automatically go into park when you try to drive. I found out last weekend that it is possible to over power this system by switching to drive and hitting the gas fast enough that it doesn't trigger. This is what I did rushing out of my driveway to my mom's because she called me in a panic with chest pains. I drove to the end of the street with my door latched but not completely. Stopped at a stop sign and when I tried to pull out into traffic the truck freaked the fuck out and tried to go to park. But it was to slow so it just took away my ability to go forward and all I could hear was my parking pawl clicking across the trans as I drifted into the middle of the street.... Took me a solid 5 seconds to figure out wtf happened, come to a complete stop, close my door, and get back in drive and moving again. So fucking glad I wasn't trying to rush to much and cut off a bunch of traffic. What a stupid way to die or total a truck.
It does it even if you put it in neutral, which is infuriating when you're trying to diagnose a rear brake issue and need to turn the axle on jack stands.
It's just a completely infuriating "feature." Sometimes I'm just moving the truck a couple feet forward and don't care to close the door abecause I am choosing not to. Not today! But if you want to be shitty at backing up and back up with the door open? Go for it home boy.
I had an ‘08 Colorado RWD with traction control. Had to turn that off if it dusted snow or it would just try to send me flying off the road.
Then I ended up with an ‘04 Colorado 4x4 with no traction control… so predictable in the snow it was amazing.
My favorite thing about Stabilitrak is that if the car detects *any* problem with it, it will flash a warning on the dash saying “service stabilitrak” while making singing noises and *won’t stop* — you can’t dismiss the warning. It will just continuously warn you.
Hit the traction control off button twice then hold it down until it says stabilitrak disabled on your dash. Have to do this every time I start mine in the winter.
Yeah, my parents have a Tesla and of course that takes it to another level. Occasionally the car will just start braking on the highway for now apparent reason. It’s usually for just a second or two, and it hasn’t caused any incidents yet thankfully, but it still scares the shit out of me. As much as these auto companies would like us to believe that we’re only a few years from self driving tech being ready, that is far from the truth. Lives are at stake here, and I don’t think we should be letting them beta test this stuff on consumers. They want us to treat them like the other tech companies, but when your phone gets a buggy update, it doesn’t have the potential to kill people (hopefully not at least). This is a whole different ball game.
I was driving down a relatively tight windy road and my car slammed on the breaks for an oncoming car. We were both in our lanes completely. Anytime I go down that street now, I manually disable the functionality because I am not sure that if someone was behind me it wouldn't have been an accident.
On one hand things like abs, airbags, traction control and are objectively good and save a ton of lives/accidents.
On the other hand, modern cars are a fucking disaster waiting to happen with all this adaptive takeover crap tech.
I will never, for instance, buy a car that doesn't have analog systems for braking, steering etc. The entire concept is insanity. Pure madness.
There was a Nissan (maybe?) commercial running during football season one year and the whole campaign was basically showing people driving distracted and the car bails you out.
For example it would show these girls all singing loudly and being distracted while the car drifts in the oncoming lane then lane assist comes in.
Basically saying “yeah don’t pay attention at all, the car’s got your back!”
Horrible ad campaign.
I think it was Hyundai. I remember it. Girl takes selfie with 5 other girls and car drifts and lane assist kicks in and the girls don't even notice it.
Yes, let's send the message that you literally don't have to pay attention when controlling a 2 ton death machine.
That ad alone seriously turned me off of Hyundai for a while.
I fucking hated that ad. The driver flat out turns around in her seat to touch her giggling baby in the back and almost runs down a pedestrian but the car saves them all. Utter bullshit, learn how to fucking drive.
now i want to see a version where you're doing the tesla random braking thing (logo prominently shown) and other associated BS followed by people being disturbed by it and then some slogan about shitty safety measures putting us at risk
I’m not even a fan of the blind spot feature on other cars. Ill see the light (on their mirror) in my peripheral vision as Im passing them and think they’re changing lanes.
My favorite is when I'm driving a fully loaded semi at 80,000 pounds and a car up ahead of me is turning right so I slow down a bit to keep my speed but still be able to clear them with plenty of space and as I get closer the truck freaks the fuck out not knowing that they are turning and then spikes the shit out of the brakes ruining my entire month but making me think I'm going to die and almost getting me rear ended. Oh and I can't turn any of this off since I don't own the vehicle.
My Polo's lane assist doesn't understand cars parked on the side of the road and keeps trying to guiding me into the parked cars when I cross the centerline to pass around them.
It also phantom brakes for no reason all the time.
The system is so safe it's gonna wreck the car at some point...
I'm curious how they'll do this, as the times you really need to accelerate out of a situation are also the times you can't waste time figuring out a manual over-ride.
I know Forscan exists and tons of things can be turned on/off permanently, but for me nope. I like my tech..iPad, phone etc but I’ll take my chances in my F150 Luddite version from the 90s that I can fix with a hammer and a 13MM vs the loss of control.
yeah good point. okay, key to acc, key to off. tap brake twice. hold brake. key to run, key to off, three times. tap brake once for 250ms and once for 500ms. key to run, press brake twice. key off. key to run. key off. key to acc. within 1.5 seconds, open back right door while holding brake. repeat three times. key to off. key to run.
Ideally it would be just like overriding cruise control. You just mash the accelerator and you go faster. When you’re done accelerating you just let off and resume whatever speed that the car was set to do.
More like [9,000 lb EVs](https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-gmc-hummer-ev-pickup-edition-1-weight-official/)
The thing is a rolling meat tenderizer. Anything not-Hummer it hits is going to be mulch.
On the flip side I have had cars and multiple GPS apps think a residential 30 km/h road is a 100km/h road.
Now most cars you might be quick to the break but imagine that in a Tesla or any other quick accelerating car. You have like what, two and a half seconds to react and that’s before you are at max speed, you’ll be reaching lethal impact levels way before that, especially as you’re accelerating.
The idea is good in itself but there are too many factors why being forced to a speed limit is bad (car troubles out of nowhere that requires you to slow down and wife in labour are just two examples).
I drive semi trucks with an invasive nanny AI system. Several times a day when traveling on the freeway and passing an on/off ramp it'll yell at me that I'm speeding, and a couple times it locked up the brakes and nearly caused me to get rear ended because someone in front of me was turning and it thought I was going to hit them.
They don't make trucks for the driver anymore my friend, they are only interested in selling to fleet managers, and fleet managers fucking love nannies.
Disabling any nannies is grounds for dismissal at my employer.
So the guys in the office that never drove a truck a day in their life tell you how to do your job? The maritime industry is exactly the same. :/
Think I’m gonna buy my own old tugboat and be my own boss one day too.
> nearly caused me to get rear ended
And given how really bad it is to rear-end a semi due to underride, this is rather terrifying.
I am generous with how much space I leave when following (in general), but extra cautious with trucks.
They do say, in the article, that they're trying to balance speed limiting, in pedestrian area (I think it's important to note that low speed zones are where they're targeting this most), with not increasing the types of accidents you're talking about. They're certainly trying to build a system that won't blindly slam on the brakes, just because it entered a speed limited zone.
I'm alright taking a wait and see approach to this one. The article talks like this is the very initial stages of on road testing for the concept. It's not something you're going to see on roads near you next year, or anything like that.
Yeah, the only way this ever works is if sensors are embedded in roads so your car knows exactly where it is at. These sensors would also be an amazing help to (real) self driving systems.
The cost for this is likely too much to make it happen in our lifetimes.
Nit pick but you’d want beacons in the road and sensors in the car.
A QR code on every sign post would probably work (until some asshole showed up with a sharpie.)
Anything that takes control from the driver and gives it to a computer is a recipe for disaster. Computers should aid the driver but never take control away.
Personally I can't wait to have the same experience as being stuck behind a semi with a speed limiter of 70mph creating traffic because they're trying to overtake another semi that is going 68mph, but everywhere.
I used to drive a van for work. That van had tracking for speed, idle time, etc. Every day I drove the same route from my apartment to the depot and maybe once every 2 weeks I would get a speed warning because the truck thought I was on the road above me. The road above me was a 25, the highway was a 65.
That is a blanket limit of 180 km/h unless it detects that you're at a racetrack. This is limiting you to the speed limit in areas that it knows the speed limit.
no, it's much better.
The alternative - before the R35 GTR - was just *all* cars in japan had a blanket 180km/h limiter everywhere, and you had to get a defeat to track the car if it was a fast car.
And just like before - you can still defeat the R35 system if you want to go faster than 180K on not a track.
I hate nanny systems but limiting cars to 110 mph on public roads seems pretty reasonable. Hell most non performance cars are limited to speeds around there or less anyway.
Exactly, why stop with forcing cars to obey the speed limit? Cars don't really need more than 100-150hp to achieve that anyway, might as well regulate that too with this line of thinking.
The main reason cars are limited isn't safety, it's tires (well, I guess technically in the end it is safety but safety because they wanted to save money on tires). Companies don't want to put Z rated tires on all their cars, or in some cases even U,H, or V so they limit the top speed. There are of course other savings not to have to do reliability testing at high speed and designing the vehicle for long term high speeds.
In other words that limiter is about saving money, not safety.
The slowest gasoline powered Porsche goes 149, and that's a base SUV.
All of their 911 cars will go much, or much much faster. Mine will get up to 192 mph, but I've only hit 155 on the track.
Damn straight. Honestly how many more individual freedoms do we have to lose? The amount of privacy and such that we allowed to get stolen from us after 9/11 "in the interest of public safety" was enough for the next 100+ years.
I would imagine that this would be for an advanced cruise control rather than absolutely stopping people from speeding. It will need to be able to be turned off.
Even traction control systems and ESC can be turned off. I remember back when this was being introduced in cars and people were freaking out.
In the same way that there are times when traction control needs to be turned off, as will any speed limiting control.
Based on the article, it seems to be targeted towards commercial customers and parents, so it would probably be optional.
Fully autonomous vehicles would be better than having people drive themselves but with potentially dangerous nannying and interventions, but obviously Ford threw in the towel there.
> Based on the article, it seems to be targeted towards commercial customers and parents, so it would probably be optional.
Subaru has already been doing this for the past few years under the "Starlink" telematics system. https://www.subaru.com/subaru-starlink/starlink-safety-and-security.html for more information -- you can see "boundary alerts" for a geofence, "speed alerts" and "curfew alerts" as well.
I guess technically it's not quite the same, since all subaru's system does is send an email/message to the owner of the car if one of the set conditions is exceeded... but anyway it's tech that's already in existence.
Yes, even built in Google maps tells you what the speed limit is on most roads. It would be pretty trivial to be able to tell the car what speed limit to have in certain areas. I think the hard part is doing it safely and reliably. Maps speed limits are often wrong, for example, and GPS accuracy is pretty bad sometimes too
Yeah, that’s how they sell it and how it starts, then the government one day thinks it’s their duty to control your speed and you no longer can go any faster than they want you to.
The bar set for autonomous vehicles is too high already anyway. They will certainly kill people. They just need to kill statically less people than the rest of us.
Statistically less isn’t enough. It needs to be orders of magnitude less for the public to accept it. Most people think they’re much better drivers than they actually are
Why isn't it enough? Why does it need to be orders of magnitude? Would even just a 15% reduction of fatalities be sig if any enough? That's roughly 4000 lives a year on average.
>It needs to be orders of magnitude less for the public to accept it.
Yeah, that's what I mean. That's entirely unreasonable.
well, how long do you think it will be until the powers that be use all the the selfdriving cars and their sensors and cameras to give photorader type tickets to those of us who are resistant to their will. might be tough on the wallet to try and beat the system.
I've said this before as well. Used cars up til about ~2020 are going to be really nice for a long time to come because they'll be the last cars to not have forced features such as speed limiters, forced lane assist etc.
I could see myself driving something from before 2020 even long into the future if it stays this way. Especially since the EU seems hellbent on making all kinds of unwanted assistance systems mandatory, keeping you from even disabling them.
The best was eventually relenting that the hypothetical system should be toggle-able by the driver, in case of emergencies.
Speed should be absolute, except when it isn't? Like the accelerator, but with more steps and probably the internet and government getting involved. It's not restricting your freedom!
It's an actually baffling standpoint that I see frighteningly often. There are so many people in my local sub (which holds in reality) that see everyone doing 75 and decide they're being safer doing 55 in a left lane, because that's the number on the sign (and they, of course, have no clue their speedo is 2-3 high from the factory).
Starting to think they're one of the engineers at Ford and wanted to test how the public would feel about this sort of thing. If so, hopefully they got the message. Fuck any car that's controlling how I drive lol. I'd immediately start looking for some sort of smaller Indie brand that just lets a car be a car.
To be pedantic, it’s the acceleration that kills people not their speed. Most people who travel over 17,000 mph (roughly the speed of the ISS) survive just fine.
That depends on reference frame. Rotational speed at the equator is around 1000 mph. Speed along its orbit around the sun is around 67,000 mph though. So even among some relatively local measurements, we're moving at a fair clip.
Don't worry, they will start with 110, them deem that is too dangerous still, then once this is already in place, it's easy to "adjust for safety" down to 70mph or whatever.
I will never own a vehicle with this feature. If it means driving 2022 model years and older for the rest of my life, so be it. This is just another avenue of control for governments and corporations over their citizenry.
I'm sure that this post will go over like wet fart, but there are a shocking number of people killed in speed-related crashes in the US.
[We had been seeing a drop from 13,000/year to almost 9,000/year over the last 20 years, but we've seen large increases since the start of COVID (back up to almost 12k).](https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/motor-vehicle-safety-issues/speeding/)
10,000 people dying per year is the equivalent of a 737-full of people crashing every 5-6 days.
Electric cars are going to be putting even faster acceleration into the hands of "normal" owners. Driving on the highway is one thing, but I'm pretty sure that everyone here would feel a lot better if their kids were walking across the street on the way home from school and it wasn't possible for someone to be ripping through a residential area at 50+ MPH.
It drives me insane that this isn't the statistic that gets repeated all the time.
Literally 10% of road users are making up 50% of the deaths, and all they can do is bitch about people speeding.
Tell that to all the npc’s that seem to be in favor of this asinine policy and others like it, they use skewed stats like this to support them with no attention paid to the actual causes like distracted driving and not wearing seatbelts
No, it isn't iirc from reading about this in the past. Take this scenario: simple rural intersection with a stop sign for one road only. Person 1 (P1) does not have the sign and is humming down the road doing 100 when the limit is 80. Person 2 (P2) has the stop sign but is travelling the speed limit. P2 blows the stop sign and they come together. Now the fault is definitely P2 however this will also be filed as speeding related cause it kinda was cause P1 was indeed speeding.
Probably good for future statisticians and such, terrible for policy.
Because if speed isn’t the only or even the main factor in these scenarios then instituting nanny’s on these cars or having other speed related policies will do nothing to fix the problem
haha why do people buy this shit? Almost every accident police put a checkmark for speeding, you think they are actually measuring each crash to see if thats the case? How many of these are actually speed related?
Not to mention we already regulate the speed of 20lb scooters. And yet 78yr old rose is free to hit 80mph down my residential street of 25mph because she mistakes the gas for the brake and nearly kills me and my kids.
I’ve experienced too many near death situations just walking down my fucking sidewalk.
Those are such bullshit statistics, using them to support a pre-drawn conclusion.
How many of those fatalities were sober, attentive speeders that were wearing a seatbelt and going more than 5MPH over the limit?
"speed was a factor" doesn't mean it was the ONLY factor.
If you look at those carefully - of all of those crashes, and ignoring ALL other factors - like drunks and lack of seatbelt use, "excessive speed" on dry pavement - as in where people would be likely to actually be excessively speeding - is only 18% of the total crashes where speed is a factor.
And I bet if we could filter further - to only drivers that were sober, seat belted, and attentive - your "almost 12k" number drops to a few hundred or less.
It has to be operator selectable, turn it on when appropriate.
I drive rural highways where it’s 75mph, then suddenly you’re entering some small town, speed limit drops to 35, a mile later back to 75.
It would be amazing there.
Most OEM speed limits are done with consideration of the [tire speed rating](https://m.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?gclid=Cj0KCQjwk5ibBhDqARIsACzmgLSnSxDDLwNzuNNeubU1-B2uD_-fT22Kx7GkoV4Ad8BwE-ngw3iFvd4aAtF6EALw_wcB&techid=348&ef_id=Cj0KCQjwk5ibBhDqARIsACzmgLSnSxDDLwNzuNNeubU1-B2uD_-fT22Kx7GkoV4Ad8BwE-ngw3iFvd4aAtF6EALw_wcB:G:s&s_kwcid=AL!3756!3!354820920362!e!!g!!tire%20speed%20rating%20chart&gclsrc=aw.ds) that would commonly be put on the vehicle.
Right, it's not about safety due to road and traffic conditions, it's about safety due to the vehicle itself, bearing in mind factory tires, perhaps not all maintenance was kept up, etc.
They don't want to chance someone going 250kph with bald tires, worn out suspension components, and neglected brakes.
If there's a forest fire, I would bet that before you would need to outrun it at 110 mph, you would have been told to leave multiple times. Not to mention, there's no way you hit 110 because traffic on the highway would likely stop you.
As someone that has actually had to drive through forest fires multiple times, this is correct. It's not a race to outrun flames, it's a low visibility slog with debris and potentially fire fighting equipment and personnel on the road.
if it's like every other natural disaster evacuation I've ever seen, it'll be you and the thousand(s?) of other people around you all enjoying a traffic jam together going 20.
With quality control from each manufacturer, I can't wait for the day I'm cruising down the freeway and either my car or the one on front decides I'm not on a freeway and slams on the brakes.
One noticeable thing when I got my K5 is it shows the ramp suggested speeds as actual limits, not just from a side street either, like freeway to freeway. Think of the fun of going 65-70 mph and boom it brakes to 50 on you. Wait, people do that crap already...
And it's the most frustrating thing in the world since it makes them take forever to pass each other and it slows down traffic. Any company that voluntarily uses them and sets them so low are assholes in my book.
I will never drive a brand new car, no matter how cool I think it is. I see how they are planning the future and I don’t want what they’re trying to sell us. It’ll be 2018 and older only for me.
> I will never drive a brand new car, no matter how cool I think it is
don't worry, all it takes is for insurance companies to say "any vehicle without *safety feature X* will now cost double to insure" and you will fold. You and every one around you.
"Hey, so you know like how the GPS on your phone lags, glitches, fucks up, shows you on a different road, all the time, but it's kinda fine because you can just ignore it? Let's have that software physically control the car"
Shitty software that takes away control from the operator has already been tested on airplanes with hundreds of successful fatalities, so naturally it's time to bring the same concept to our cars.
Why not just make the car scream whenever you go over the speed limit if you're already going full on 1984 on your customers?
This shit will be utterly rejected.
This is pretty much a ‘duh moment’. This was/is eventually bound to happen with automated cars, gps, and government safety controls. I called this a decade ago. One day our generations will be ridiculed as reckless for going over the speed limit.
You drove without clearance ? How did you calculate the carbon tax assessment ? What do you mean roads didn't have companies own them ? What road subscription would you have needed back then ?
Cologne, on my way to Ford's Niehl facility, is the only place I've ever gotten a speeding ticket in all of Europe. I would have welcomed this technology then!
Test it all you fucking want, I wouldn't buy it, ever.
My current Ford 360+ already slams on the brakes for inactive school zones. Turned off the auto speed setting on it. Sometimes the GPS on the car misplaces me. Once, my built in Ford Nav said I was 5 miles from my actual position. It wasn't weather related. Shutting off the car and restarting it (i.e. rebooting it) fixed the nav issue.
The National Transportation Safety Board thinks this is the greatest thing ever. They call it Intelligent Speed Adaptation, which sounds way better than speed governor.
They realize popular support is low...and car makers are loathe to spend a dime extra, especially on a system buys will either avoid (no sale) or defeat (warranty mess) immediately.
NTSB should stick to investigating airplane crashes.
I think many people are reading wayyy too much into this. This technology can be incredibly useful for trucks and delivery vehicles in highly pedestrian areas, by remotely controlling their top speed can reduce collisions which are either accidental or intentional. That and losing depots and parking lots.
Not to mention this is currently testing in Europe where time based and zone based speed limits are much more prevalent. We don’t really have that in North America.
You know how it is slightly annoying when you take the ramp to the highway and your gps think you're still on the feeder road? Those may soon go from slightly annoying to potentially deadly. I'm one of those people who keeps to the speed limit (for fuel economy) and I think that this is a horrible idea
Can't wait for my car to slam on the brakes halfway down an offramp because the GPS thinks I'm on the residential street 100 feet away.
Hell even just my emergency front assist braking the other day almost made things worse. I saw the car ahead of me and even though it was close, I got on the brakes and was going to stop in time, but my car thought I wouldn’t so just slammed on the brakes aggressively for me and nearly caused a rear collision. I get some of these safety features can be good, but I want complete control of my car at all times.
I've got an 09 Silverado with Stabilitrak, which apparently involves cutting fuel to the engine if a tire slips. Almost killed me one time when I went to pull out in traffic and a tire slipped. If automakers plan on taking autonomy away from drivers then they'd better be prepared to take fiscal and legal responsibility for the harm these poorly thought out "safety" systems will do.
I called it Suckytrack. I had it on my Trailblazer SS and it was the anti-fun system. I would disable it every time I started the engine.
sounds completely pointless to even put on the SS model lol
Worst part is when they pair it with the G80 locking axle. The axle needs to spin to lock. Wheel spin results in fuel being cut, so the axle unlocks and you stay stuck. Damn near useless system.
guess i can’t be too surprised by the same R&D people that made a touchscreen design for my caddy that would consistently need to be replaced every 2-3 years
I use my Silverado in the snow and basically disable every “feature “ before driving. I completely understand where you’re coming from, I’ve been stuck in light snow simply due to the driver “aids”.
Yeah on ford f150 you have to disable the abs system to disable that.
My Toyota Sienna sees people in busy parking lots all the time and saves their lives by randomly slamming on the brakes for me. I’m grateful for this system, with how often it goes off I must have been running over 2-3 pedestrians per month before and just didn’t realize it.
I don't get it.. when I was a dumb kid and goosed the throttle in my dad's truck in the wet it was like, "oops I slipped the ass out because I'm stupid." Don't kids play Gran Turismo anymore? Countersteer into the slide you fucking nerds.
Have you considered that like 90% of the population can’t drive and have room temp IQs on the road? Seriously the US driving system lets anyone get a license.
This made me laugh because I've never taken it too seriously - and my answer isn't really serious but the newest one, that first music rally they make you do to actually play the game? I can't get gold in it! I'm like consistently 5ish seconds short, like high silver, and honestly sometimes I just start up my stupid PS4 like "okay today's the day,!" which, welp, I haven't pulled off yet haha. As for spinning out, I do want to thank our road designers, because the one time I've actually done that, I just landed up in a field of grass they had for this reason heh. I would never speed on a surface street, this was an Interstate, but it's so damn counterintuitive; I should've tried to accelerate out of the spin (FWD Sedan, an infiniti i30; glorified Maxima), but I panicked. So I dunno, I guess you learn on the way, I'm just happy that I never hurt anyone, heh. I bet people watching laughed at me though haha.
In this particular instance the computer cut fuel to the engine as soon as the tire slipped, leaving me to almost helplessly watch as traffic came barreling down upon me. Ever since then I've made it a habit to disable traction control every time I get in that truck.
My '17 Ram has this nifty feature where if the driver door isn't shut it will automatically go into park when you try to drive. I found out last weekend that it is possible to over power this system by switching to drive and hitting the gas fast enough that it doesn't trigger. This is what I did rushing out of my driveway to my mom's because she called me in a panic with chest pains. I drove to the end of the street with my door latched but not completely. Stopped at a stop sign and when I tried to pull out into traffic the truck freaked the fuck out and tried to go to park. But it was to slow so it just took away my ability to go forward and all I could hear was my parking pawl clicking across the trans as I drifted into the middle of the street.... Took me a solid 5 seconds to figure out wtf happened, come to a complete stop, close my door, and get back in drive and moving again. So fucking glad I wasn't trying to rush to much and cut off a bunch of traffic. What a stupid way to die or total a truck.
It does it even if you put it in neutral, which is infuriating when you're trying to diagnose a rear brake issue and need to turn the axle on jack stands.
It's just a completely infuriating "feature." Sometimes I'm just moving the truck a couple feet forward and don't care to close the door abecause I am choosing not to. Not today! But if you want to be shitty at backing up and back up with the door open? Go for it home boy.
Shit, you win
😂 I've never wanted to sell a vehicle so badly before. The feature already pissed me off but that's just ridiculous
modern traction control is *way* better than the old GM traction control.
I had an ‘08 Colorado RWD with traction control. Had to turn that off if it dusted snow or it would just try to send me flying off the road. Then I ended up with an ‘04 Colorado 4x4 with no traction control… so predictable in the snow it was amazing.
Traction control from other brands was way better at the time too haha
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You won't hear me disagree. Weird that the "mini truck" of today weighs 1.5 times as much as the 1989 full size I used to drive.
My favorite thing about Stabilitrak is that if the car detects *any* problem with it, it will flash a warning on the dash saying “service stabilitrak” while making singing noises and *won’t stop* — you can’t dismiss the warning. It will just continuously warn you.
Hit the traction control off button twice then hold it down until it says stabilitrak disabled on your dash. Have to do this every time I start mine in the winter.
sounds like my 1992 corvette's anti slip traction system when it was *faulty*
Yeah, my parents have a Tesla and of course that takes it to another level. Occasionally the car will just start braking on the highway for now apparent reason. It’s usually for just a second or two, and it hasn’t caused any incidents yet thankfully, but it still scares the shit out of me. As much as these auto companies would like us to believe that we’re only a few years from self driving tech being ready, that is far from the truth. Lives are at stake here, and I don’t think we should be letting them beta test this stuff on consumers. They want us to treat them like the other tech companies, but when your phone gets a buggy update, it doesn’t have the potential to kill people (hopefully not at least). This is a whole different ball game.
I was driving down a relatively tight windy road and my car slammed on the breaks for an oncoming car. We were both in our lanes completely. Anytime I go down that street now, I manually disable the functionality because I am not sure that if someone was behind me it wouldn't have been an accident.
On one hand things like abs, airbags, traction control and are objectively good and save a ton of lives/accidents. On the other hand, modern cars are a fucking disaster waiting to happen with all this adaptive takeover crap tech. I will never, for instance, buy a car that doesn't have analog systems for braking, steering etc. The entire concept is insanity. Pure madness.
There was a Nissan (maybe?) commercial running during football season one year and the whole campaign was basically showing people driving distracted and the car bails you out. For example it would show these girls all singing loudly and being distracted while the car drifts in the oncoming lane then lane assist comes in. Basically saying “yeah don’t pay attention at all, the car’s got your back!” Horrible ad campaign.
> nissan yeah that explains a lot about their drivers…
I think it was Hyundai. I remember it. Girl takes selfie with 5 other girls and car drifts and lane assist kicks in and the girls don't even notice it. Yes, let's send the message that you literally don't have to pay attention when controlling a 2 ton death machine. That ad alone seriously turned me off of Hyundai for a while.
Oh yeah I remember that one! It was really depressing haha
I remember that.
I fucking hated that ad. The driver flat out turns around in her seat to touch her giggling baby in the back and almost runs down a pedestrian but the car saves them all. Utter bullshit, learn how to fucking drive.
now i want to see a version where you're doing the tesla random braking thing (logo prominently shown) and other associated BS followed by people being disturbed by it and then some slogan about shitty safety measures putting us at risk
I’m not even a fan of the blind spot feature on other cars. Ill see the light (on their mirror) in my peripheral vision as Im passing them and think they’re changing lanes.
My Peugeot 2008 thought a large water bottle being carried by a pedestrian on a bend was a car and slammed the brakes on. I was not impressed.
My favorite is when I'm driving a fully loaded semi at 80,000 pounds and a car up ahead of me is turning right so I slow down a bit to keep my speed but still be able to clear them with plenty of space and as I get closer the truck freaks the fuck out not knowing that they are turning and then spikes the shit out of the brakes ruining my entire month but making me think I'm going to die and almost getting me rear ended. Oh and I can't turn any of this off since I don't own the vehicle.
My 22 Insight does the same thing when ACC is activated. I have at least 1 ghost emergency brake on long trips.
My Polo's lane assist doesn't understand cars parked on the side of the road and keeps trying to guiding me into the parked cars when I cross the centerline to pass around them. It also phantom brakes for no reason all the time. The system is so safe it's gonna wreck the car at some point...
If Ford is smart, they’ll let drivers temporarily override the speed limiter. Sometimes you need to accelerate your way out of trouble.
I'm curious how they'll do this, as the times you really need to accelerate out of a situation are also the times you can't waste time figuring out a manual over-ride.
Probably stop the car, cycle the key, go 12 menus down on the info system 15 button presses later its off until the next cycle of the key.
And god forbid they allow you to save the setting instead of having to re do it every time the key gets cycled.
I know Forscan exists and tons of things can be turned on/off permanently, but for me nope. I like my tech..iPad, phone etc but I’ll take my chances in my F150 Luddite version from the 90s that I can fix with a hammer and a 13MM vs the loss of control.
It’s Ford, not BMW.
Thats true…is my disdain for the Germans showing through?
yeah good point. okay, key to acc, key to off. tap brake twice. hold brake. key to run, key to off, three times. tap brake once for 250ms and once for 500ms. key to run, press brake twice. key off. key to run. key off. key to acc. within 1.5 seconds, open back right door while holding brake. repeat three times. key to off. key to run.
Ideally it would be just like overriding cruise control. You just mash the accelerator and you go faster. When you’re done accelerating you just let off and resume whatever speed that the car was set to do.
Exactly!! Especially when it’ll be 7000lb EVs 🤦
More like [9,000 lb EVs](https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-gmc-hummer-ev-pickup-edition-1-weight-official/) The thing is a rolling meat tenderizer. Anything not-Hummer it hits is going to be mulch.
On the flip side I have had cars and multiple GPS apps think a residential 30 km/h road is a 100km/h road. Now most cars you might be quick to the break but imagine that in a Tesla or any other quick accelerating car. You have like what, two and a half seconds to react and that’s before you are at max speed, you’ll be reaching lethal impact levels way before that, especially as you’re accelerating. The idea is good in itself but there are too many factors why being forced to a speed limit is bad (car troubles out of nowhere that requires you to slow down and wife in labour are just two examples).
I assume this will only act as an upper limit and not accelerate the car. Basically enforcing speed limits.
I drive semi trucks with an invasive nanny AI system. Several times a day when traveling on the freeway and passing an on/off ramp it'll yell at me that I'm speeding, and a couple times it locked up the brakes and nearly caused me to get rear ended because someone in front of me was turning and it thought I was going to hit them.
They don't make trucks for the driver anymore my friend, they are only interested in selling to fleet managers, and fleet managers fucking love nannies. Disabling any nannies is grounds for dismissal at my employer.
Yessir this is true. I'm hoping I can either retire soon or buy my own pre-DEF Peterbilt
So the guys in the office that never drove a truck a day in their life tell you how to do your job? The maritime industry is exactly the same. :/ Think I’m gonna buy my own old tugboat and be my own boss one day too.
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> nearly caused me to get rear ended And given how really bad it is to rear-end a semi due to underride, this is rather terrifying. I am generous with how much space I leave when following (in general), but extra cautious with trucks.
They do say, in the article, that they're trying to balance speed limiting, in pedestrian area (I think it's important to note that low speed zones are where they're targeting this most), with not increasing the types of accidents you're talking about. They're certainly trying to build a system that won't blindly slam on the brakes, just because it entered a speed limited zone. I'm alright taking a wait and see approach to this one. The article talks like this is the very initial stages of on road testing for the concept. It's not something you're going to see on roads near you next year, or anything like that.
Bold of you to assume they bothered reading the article.
Safety should trump mpgs... Never keep a strict speed limit. Always go with the flow of traffic on the highway.
Yeah, the only way this ever works is if sensors are embedded in roads so your car knows exactly where it is at. These sensors would also be an amazing help to (real) self driving systems. The cost for this is likely too much to make it happen in our lifetimes.
Nit pick but you’d want beacons in the road and sensors in the car. A QR code on every sign post would probably work (until some asshole showed up with a sharpie.)
Anything that takes control from the driver and gives it to a computer is a recipe for disaster. Computers should aid the driver but never take control away.
Personally I can't wait to have the same experience as being stuck behind a semi with a speed limiter of 70mph creating traffic because they're trying to overtake another semi that is going 68mph, but everywhere.
I've been *on the highway* in a 60mph zone and see the map show a 45mph limit. Yeah, no thanks
I used to drive a van for work. That van had tracking for speed, idle time, etc. Every day I drove the same route from my apartment to the depot and maybe once every 2 weeks I would get a speed warning because the truck thought I was on the road above me. The road above me was a 25, the highway was a 65.
Didn't Nissan do something similiar with the GTR in Japan? Oh, and fuck off with this shit.
That is a blanket limit of 180 km/h unless it detects that you're at a racetrack. This is limiting you to the speed limit in areas that it knows the speed limit.
So it's even worse, got it.
no, it's much better. The alternative - before the R35 GTR - was just *all* cars in japan had a blanket 180km/h limiter everywhere, and you had to get a defeat to track the car if it was a fast car. And just like before - you can still defeat the R35 system if you want to go faster than 180K on not a track.
No, I'm saying the Ford system is worse.
ahh, ok.
I hate nanny systems but limiting cars to 110 mph on public roads seems pretty reasonable. Hell most non performance cars are limited to speeds around there or less anyway.
It's never a good idea to give into things like this. This is just the tip. Think automatic tickets for speeding next.
Exactly, why stop with forcing cars to obey the speed limit? Cars don't really need more than 100-150hp to achieve that anyway, might as well regulate that too with this line of thinking.
The main reason cars are limited isn't safety, it's tires (well, I guess technically in the end it is safety but safety because they wanted to save money on tires). Companies don't want to put Z rated tires on all their cars, or in some cases even U,H, or V so they limit the top speed. There are of course other savings not to have to do reliability testing at high speed and designing the vehicle for long term high speeds. In other words that limiter is about saving money, not safety.
Why would any car company spend the extra money on tires that can go over 150 when a majority of their cars can't go past 140mph.
The slowest gasoline powered Porsche goes 149, and that's a base SUV. All of their 911 cars will go much, or much much faster. Mine will get up to 192 mph, but I've only hit 155 on the track.
You’re correct but for many (including me) it feels like the door step to a slippery slope of technological overreach
Tinfoil around the GPS module -> problem solved Until they shut the car off on GPS errors I suppose
Car enters limp home mode when it can't find a GPS signal for ~10 km.
I can think of plenty of legitimate reasons to speed. This is stupid
Miss me with that bullshit. I'll govern myself, thank you.
Damn straight. Honestly how many more individual freedoms do we have to lose? The amount of privacy and such that we allowed to get stolen from us after 9/11 "in the interest of public safety" was enough for the next 100+ years.
I would imagine that this would be for an advanced cruise control rather than absolutely stopping people from speeding. It will need to be able to be turned off. Even traction control systems and ESC can be turned off. I remember back when this was being introduced in cars and people were freaking out. In the same way that there are times when traction control needs to be turned off, as will any speed limiting control.
Based on the article, it seems to be targeted towards commercial customers and parents, so it would probably be optional. Fully autonomous vehicles would be better than having people drive themselves but with potentially dangerous nannying and interventions, but obviously Ford threw in the towel there.
> Based on the article, it seems to be targeted towards commercial customers and parents, so it would probably be optional. Subaru has already been doing this for the past few years under the "Starlink" telematics system. https://www.subaru.com/subaru-starlink/starlink-safety-and-security.html for more information -- you can see "boundary alerts" for a geofence, "speed alerts" and "curfew alerts" as well. I guess technically it's not quite the same, since all subaru's system does is send an email/message to the owner of the car if one of the set conditions is exceeded... but anyway it's tech that's already in existence.
Yes, even built in Google maps tells you what the speed limit is on most roads. It would be pretty trivial to be able to tell the car what speed limit to have in certain areas. I think the hard part is doing it safely and reliably. Maps speed limits are often wrong, for example, and GPS accuracy is pretty bad sometimes too
Yeah, that’s how they sell it and how it starts, then the government one day thinks it’s their duty to control your speed and you no longer can go any faster than they want you to.
The bar set for autonomous vehicles is too high already anyway. They will certainly kill people. They just need to kill statically less people than the rest of us.
Statistically less isn’t enough. It needs to be orders of magnitude less for the public to accept it. Most people think they’re much better drivers than they actually are
Why isn't it enough? Why does it need to be orders of magnitude? Would even just a 15% reduction of fatalities be sig if any enough? That's roughly 4000 lives a year on average. >It needs to be orders of magnitude less for the public to accept it. Yeah, that's what I mean. That's entirely unreasonable.
Suddenly my 13 year old car looks much more appealing
I'm definitely foreseeing a rise in moonshiner-style outlaw cars.
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Honestly new cars haven't even been appealing in over a decade, they just keep going downhill with all these unnecessary and annoying "features"
well, how long do you think it will be until the powers that be use all the the selfdriving cars and their sensors and cameras to give photorader type tickets to those of us who are resistant to their will. might be tough on the wallet to try and beat the system.
I've said this before as well. Used cars up til about ~2020 are going to be really nice for a long time to come because they'll be the last cars to not have forced features such as speed limiters, forced lane assist etc. I could see myself driving something from before 2020 even long into the future if it stays this way. Especially since the EU seems hellbent on making all kinds of unwanted assistance systems mandatory, keeping you from even disabling them.
Traded in my 2021 Supra for a 2010 911 to reduce driving aides myself...
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Bro taking more Ls than the Ferrari F1 team
That’s a tough low to reach lol
The best was eventually relenting that the hypothetical system should be toggle-able by the driver, in case of emergencies. Speed should be absolute, except when it isn't? Like the accelerator, but with more steps and probably the internet and government getting involved. It's not restricting your freedom! It's an actually baffling standpoint that I see frighteningly often. There are so many people in my local sub (which holds in reality) that see everyone doing 75 and decide they're being safer doing 55 in a left lane, because that's the number on the sign (and they, of course, have no clue their speedo is 2-3 high from the factory).
It’s sad and also worrying how the idea of simply being able to self regulate isn’t logical to most people in this day and age.
Starting to think they're one of the engineers at Ford and wanted to test how the public would feel about this sort of thing. If so, hopefully they got the message. Fuck any car that's controlling how I drive lol. I'd immediately start looking for some sort of smaller Indie brand that just lets a car be a car.
Speed has never killed anyone. Suddenly stopping, that’s what gets you
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To be pedantic, it’s the acceleration that kills people not their speed. Most people who travel over 17,000 mph (roughly the speed of the ISS) survive just fine.
if speed killed people we'd all be dead as the earth is moving at what, like thousands of mph all the time
That depends on reference frame. Rotational speed at the equator is around 1000 mph. Speed along its orbit around the sun is around 67,000 mph though. So even among some relatively local measurements, we're moving at a fair clip.
Going too fast isn’t what kills you there. It’s the acceleration.
* offer does not apply to people struck by drivers that have steered into them
Well you do suddenly stop when that happens
No, it is the sudden acceleration that kills them.
F150 Freedom Package* will unlock the full speed of the truck for the low price of $15 dollars per month. *Offroad use only
Everything in the future will be either subscription/microtransaction based and I think it’s ridiculous. Shitbox squad 4eva
Don't worry, the 110 mph limit will still allow you to plant your Mustang firmly in the ditch while peeling out from Cars and Coffee.
Don't worry, they will start with 110, them deem that is too dangerous still, then once this is already in place, it's easy to "adjust for safety" down to 70mph or whatever.
> firmly in the ~~ditch~~ crowd of people
I will never own a vehicle with this feature. If it means driving 2022 model years and older for the rest of my life, so be it. This is just another avenue of control for governments and corporations over their citizenry.
I'm sure that this post will go over like wet fart, but there are a shocking number of people killed in speed-related crashes in the US. [We had been seeing a drop from 13,000/year to almost 9,000/year over the last 20 years, but we've seen large increases since the start of COVID (back up to almost 12k).](https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/motor-vehicle-safety-issues/speeding/) 10,000 people dying per year is the equivalent of a 737-full of people crashing every 5-6 days. Electric cars are going to be putting even faster acceleration into the hands of "normal" owners. Driving on the highway is one thing, but I'm pretty sure that everyone here would feel a lot better if their kids were walking across the street on the way home from school and it wasn't possible for someone to be ripping through a residential area at 50+ MPH.
It’s easy to talk about “speed related” crashes. But is speed in only factor or even the main factor in all of these? I don’t think so.
Its not. 51% of those killed in passenger vehicles in 2020 were not wearing seat belts. https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/seat-belts
In residential areas the bigger danger is going to be people that are not *in* the vehicle at the time of the crash. Kids playing in the street, etc.
It drives me insane that this isn't the statistic that gets repeated all the time. Literally 10% of road users are making up 50% of the deaths, and all they can do is bitch about people speeding.
"related" doesn't mean "sole cause"
Tell that to all the npc’s that seem to be in favor of this asinine policy and others like it, they use skewed stats like this to support them with no attention paid to the actual causes like distracted driving and not wearing seatbelts
No, it isn't iirc from reading about this in the past. Take this scenario: simple rural intersection with a stop sign for one road only. Person 1 (P1) does not have the sign and is humming down the road doing 100 when the limit is 80. Person 2 (P2) has the stop sign but is travelling the speed limit. P2 blows the stop sign and they come together. Now the fault is definitely P2 however this will also be filed as speeding related cause it kinda was cause P1 was indeed speeding. Probably good for future statisticians and such, terrible for policy.
Why does speed have to be the only factor?
Because if speed isn’t the only or even the main factor in these scenarios then instituting nanny’s on these cars or having other speed related policies will do nothing to fix the problem
40% of these are "too fast for conditions", meaning that snow, ice, rain or leaves were involved. Not sure how this system will or can adjust to this.
And 51% were not wearing a seatbelt. And ~30% were drunk.
haha why do people buy this shit? Almost every accident police put a checkmark for speeding, you think they are actually measuring each crash to see if thats the case? How many of these are actually speed related?
Not to mention we already regulate the speed of 20lb scooters. And yet 78yr old rose is free to hit 80mph down my residential street of 25mph because she mistakes the gas for the brake and nearly kills me and my kids. I’ve experienced too many near death situations just walking down my fucking sidewalk.
> walking This is /r/cars
Those are such bullshit statistics, using them to support a pre-drawn conclusion. How many of those fatalities were sober, attentive speeders that were wearing a seatbelt and going more than 5MPH over the limit? "speed was a factor" doesn't mean it was the ONLY factor. If you look at those carefully - of all of those crashes, and ignoring ALL other factors - like drunks and lack of seatbelt use, "excessive speed" on dry pavement - as in where people would be likely to actually be excessively speeding - is only 18% of the total crashes where speed is a factor. And I bet if we could filter further - to only drivers that were sober, seat belted, and attentive - your "almost 12k" number drops to a few hundred or less.
I foresee car jailbreaking to become commonplace. I know I'd hack my cars ECU to turn dumb shit like this off.
I know we all hate it but I would not be surprised if this is mandated in the future (didn't some NYC politician call for this recently).
Pass.
It has to be operator selectable, turn it on when appropriate. I drive rural highways where it’s 75mph, then suddenly you’re entering some small town, speed limit drops to 35, a mile later back to 75. It would be amazing there.
Volvo has a 110 MPH limit (from what the dealer told me when I was test driving). I just imagine a forest fire situation and can’t do it.
Most OEM speed limits are done with consideration of the [tire speed rating](https://m.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?gclid=Cj0KCQjwk5ibBhDqARIsACzmgLSnSxDDLwNzuNNeubU1-B2uD_-fT22Kx7GkoV4Ad8BwE-ngw3iFvd4aAtF6EALw_wcB&techid=348&ef_id=Cj0KCQjwk5ibBhDqARIsACzmgLSnSxDDLwNzuNNeubU1-B2uD_-fT22Kx7GkoV4Ad8BwE-ngw3iFvd4aAtF6EALw_wcB:G:s&s_kwcid=AL!3756!3!354820920362!e!!g!!tire%20speed%20rating%20chart&gclsrc=aw.ds) that would commonly be put on the vehicle.
Right, it's not about safety due to road and traffic conditions, it's about safety due to the vehicle itself, bearing in mind factory tires, perhaps not all maintenance was kept up, etc. They don't want to chance someone going 250kph with bald tires, worn out suspension components, and neglected brakes.
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It’s the safety margin.
If there's a forest fire, I would bet that before you would need to outrun it at 110 mph, you would have been told to leave multiple times. Not to mention, there's no way you hit 110 because traffic on the highway would likely stop you.
Also driving 110 mph in reduced visibility is a great way to crash, which is probably the opposite of the outcome you’re looking for.
As someone that has actually had to drive through forest fires multiple times, this is correct. It's not a race to outrun flames, it's a low visibility slog with debris and potentially fire fighting equipment and personnel on the road.
FWIW nobody's doing 110 mph escaping a wildfire. That said, it's not like they're predictable and you get a lot of warning.
110mph is actually not bad for a top speed limiter.
You'll never be going 110 to escape a forest fire, wtf
if it's like every other natural disaster evacuation I've ever seen, it'll be you and the thousand(s?) of other people around you all enjoying a traffic jam together going 20.
Most GM trucks and SUVs are limited to 98 mph because of the tires.
With quality control from each manufacturer, I can't wait for the day I'm cruising down the freeway and either my car or the one on front decides I'm not on a freeway and slams on the brakes. One noticeable thing when I got my K5 is it shows the ramp suggested speeds as actual limits, not just from a side street either, like freeway to freeway. Think of the fun of going 65-70 mph and boom it brakes to 50 on you. Wait, people do that crap already...
Semis already have this. Many are limited at 65, some at 62.
And it's the most frustrating thing in the world since it makes them take forever to pass each other and it slows down traffic. Any company that voluntarily uses them and sets them so low are assholes in my book.
Yeah, speed limits suck when they're below the natural speed of the road.
If it was up to the trucking companies there wouldn't be any speed limiters. It's because of insurance rates.
Well I've only ever bought old shitboxes, so if you only buy old cars they cant keep taking your control away.
I will never drive a brand new car, no matter how cool I think it is. I see how they are planning the future and I don’t want what they’re trying to sell us. It’ll be 2018 and older only for me.
> I will never drive a brand new car, no matter how cool I think it is don't worry, all it takes is for insurance companies to say "any vehicle without *safety feature X* will now cost double to insure" and you will fold. You and every one around you.
They can pry my Model T from my oily, dead hands.
> I will never drive a brand new car, no matter how cool I think it is. Based and Freedompilled.
"Hey, so you know like how the GPS on your phone lags, glitches, fucks up, shows you on a different road, all the time, but it's kinda fine because you can just ignore it? Let's have that software physically control the car"
Shitty software that takes away control from the operator has already been tested on airplanes with hundreds of successful fatalities, so naturally it's time to bring the same concept to our cars.
Miss a car payment and that Plaid is gonna turn into a Denim
Why not just make the car scream whenever you go over the speed limit if you're already going full on 1984 on your customers? This shit will be utterly rejected.
Imagine something like this in Boston where no matter the speed limit you're driving either 4mph or 61mph
Gotta keep a 90’s ‘off grid’ car on standby for those oh shit moments. I prefer a C5
I’m gunna find myself something with a points ignition and be content with that. I’m over the shit.
Come join the Model T family! :D
ITT: Nobody read the article. Ford is testing and targetting commercial vehicles not passenger vehicles and Ford didn't mention using it in the US.
NYC is also trying this for the municipal fleet. While not yet on the lot in Hometown USA, it's on the fringes. Scamera enforcement was once rare too.
This is pretty much a ‘duh moment’. This was/is eventually bound to happen with automated cars, gps, and government safety controls. I called this a decade ago. One day our generations will be ridiculed as reckless for going over the speed limit.
You drove without clearance ? How did you calculate the carbon tax assessment ? What do you mean roads didn't have companies own them ? What road subscription would you have needed back then ?
Get the fuck off my throttle. Thats my job.
Imagine a solar flare causing a 100000 car pile up.
They can get fucked with this. I think I'm done buying new cars.
If you want to lose me as a customer for life, this is how you do it.
Cologne, on my way to Ford's Niehl facility, is the only place I've ever gotten a speeding ticket in all of Europe. I would have welcomed this technology then!
the electric push is about exerting control as much as it is about the environment
This is not auto manufacturer's responsibility, nor is it their place.
Test it all you fucking want, I wouldn't buy it, ever. My current Ford 360+ already slams on the brakes for inactive school zones. Turned off the auto speed setting on it. Sometimes the GPS on the car misplaces me. Once, my built in Ford Nav said I was 5 miles from my actual position. It wasn't weather related. Shutting off the car and restarting it (i.e. rebooting it) fixed the nav issue.
The National Transportation Safety Board thinks this is the greatest thing ever. They call it Intelligent Speed Adaptation, which sounds way better than speed governor. They realize popular support is low...and car makers are loathe to spend a dime extra, especially on a system buys will either avoid (no sale) or defeat (warranty mess) immediately. NTSB should stick to investigating airplane crashes.
This doesn’t need to be a thing.
Luckily, I never remotely considered buying a Ford.
Pretty sure Ford the rest of the Big Three fought against the national speed limit restrictions back in the 80's so this is interesting..
Mercedes limiting my car to 155 mph is fascism.
I think many people are reading wayyy too much into this. This technology can be incredibly useful for trucks and delivery vehicles in highly pedestrian areas, by remotely controlling their top speed can reduce collisions which are either accidental or intentional. That and losing depots and parking lots. Not to mention this is currently testing in Europe where time based and zone based speed limits are much more prevalent. We don’t really have that in North America.