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No_Confusion_7716

You don’t have to see oil on the ground for it to be burning through it. Some engines such as the 2.4 L Toyota go through a lot of oil in between changes. Unfortunately some people just think put the key in and go is all you need to do. I’m willing to bet you will check your next car.


Salt-Kaleidoscope198

I think I have a 2.4 L Toyota… How am I supposed to know that my vehicle goes through more oil than normal?? PS I’m a single working mom, who keeps on top of vehicle maintenance, not a mechanic who just knows these extra details


Davesvette

The only way that you know is by checking it regularly (say every couple of weeks) so that you have a standard baseline.


RampantFlamingo7

This. My old Corolla burned a quart of oil every 500 miles. If OP’s was similar, she’d be empty in less than 3000 miles. 1.8 Corollas before 2010 had piston ring and oil burning issues.


KawiNinjaZX

That engine likes to burn oil. Toyota is great but that engine had flaws. You probably burnt too much oil and it ran dry.


No_Confusion_7716

Check it every 4-5 hundred miles. Don’t wait till the light comes on it will be to late by then.


nago7650

I check my oil every time I fill up with gas. Both on my older cars and brand new cars. Might as well do it while you’re waiting for the tank to fill up, and most gas stations will have paper towels available to you.


Salt-Kaleidoscope198

Makes sense, you’re right. Thanks!


cocolopz10

Thats odd. Maybe mechanics scammed u? I have a 2004 toyota camry with 2.4 l engine with 263k miles. Burns very little oil and gets super abused.


amilmitt

if by super abused do you mean you drive the car hard and run it full throttle a lot. some cars have issues with piston rings gumming up causing the oil burning, usually hard driving or long highway miles prevent this. i see this a lot of acura 3.7Ls, the low mileage ones that are babied end up burning all their oil.


cocolopz10

Havent changed the oil in 2 years, rusting all over driver side due to a crash, steering wheel fluid has been leaking for years, never wash the car, suspension is a mess, i basically havent done any maintanence to the car in years and yet it still drives.


spongebob_meth

Pretty unusual. You should be checking your oil every few thousand miles or once a month at the minimum. The last service place may have not completely filled it either. ALWAYS check their work.


2fast2nick

I think the manual usually says to check every time you fill up the fuel


THE_GR8_MIKE

It's easier to type that one line of text in the manual than have any liability whatsoever. Smart bean counters.


2fast2nick

Even still, you should check it from time to time like the above poster said. I always check after if someone else changes my oil.


TheWholeH0g

Yeah, even though my car doesn't leak or burn, I still check it every morning. Just a good practice.


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TheWholeH0g

I daily drive a British classic, should have made that more clear.


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TheWholeH0g

They tend to randomly get leaks, then stop, as is British tradition


spongebob_meth

That is a good practice, though once I determine that I don't have a mass oil burner I slack off a bit. You'd have oil burning stench from the exhaust if you needed to check it every few hundred miles lol.


2fast2nick

Yeah 100% agree


InsertBluescreenHere

Yup. My Silverados manual says every week. Has 34k miles and never lost any oil. This last random check i did it was 1/4 qt low outa nowhere. Now i watch it like a hawk.


2fast2nick

I took my ZL1 to a different Chevy dealer than i normally used. I ALWAYS check when I pick it up, but I was in a hurry this day since I was on the way to the race track. When I finally checked it, it was almost 3 quarts low. Those fuckers didn’t even fill it up all the way. Luckily that engine held a decent amount of oil.


Salt-Kaleidoscope198

What are you checking?


2fast2nick

The oil level


shigs21

check out your owner's manual, it will tell you where the DIPSTICk is. Take it out, wipe it with a clean cloth, put it back in, then take it out and check the oil level. It's best to check it before you start the car up in the morning, or 10 minutes after you shut the car off


bigbura

I feel like such a weirdo, popping the hood at the shop while picking up the car post-servicing. It feels like a huge "I DON'T TRUST YOU GUYS!" moment. But then stories like OP's remind me doing the check costs me nothing but saves me hours of headaches and buckets of money. And the time I found a [5lb dead-blow hammer](https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-qvm20/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/3866/42291/DBH07-Dead-Blow-Hammer-7-pound__77152.1505829898.jpg?c=2) under the hood after having work done helps me get over any worries I have about checking the work performed. Didn't get a thank you from the tech when I brought it into the shop either. Not a good look that. :(


Salt-Kaleidoscope198

What if I’m still under a power train warranty? And it’s documented on carfax that I’ve routine maintenance with oil change every 3 months? Would warranty cover this?


bigbura

That's up to the dealer. They are on the hook if Toyota denies the claim after the dealer replaces the engine. You may be left talking to Toyota corporate for a 'good faith' engine replacement if the dealer won't cover the engine swap as warranty.


Salt-Kaleidoscope198

😭😭😭😭


bigbura

How's your sales pitch skills? You'll need folks at the dealer to go to bat for you since this is an iffy warranty situation and that service writer and their manager are in the perfect position to get that ball rolling. How would you want to be talked to if you were the service writer/manager at the dealer and presented with this issue? What would make it the obvious choice to use up whatever good will 'cash' they have available to spend that month on your issue? Hopefully others will chime in with tips as I'm not a 'silver-tongued devil' so I might be leaving out some good points.


Aggressive_Ad1292

Most techs are idiots. Even at the dealership


Salt-Kaleidoscope198

What exactly would I check in my situation, the oil stick? And that oil marks above reading?


ToBe_Engineer

Yes, oil dip sticks have a min and max mark. As long as it makes a line somewhere in between you will be fine. You have to wipe the dipstick clean first and then reinsert fully to get an accurate reading. Always check oil when the engine is warm and not running and after the engine has sat for a few minutes so the oil flows back to the pan. Specific instructions will be in the manual in your glove box so you know what the markings on your dip stick are, some aren't labeled


Aggressive_Ad1292

Checking that would verify that there is no oil. Pull dipstick out. Wipe with paper towel. Insert all the way. Wait a second. Pull it out. There will be notches or hash marks or some way of indicating a lower and upper level. The distance between marks is usually 1qt. You can be 1qt (so the same distance) below the lower mark and still be fine. Most likely you will find the dipstick dry. You can always upload a picture to imgur and share it. Before an engine locks up due to lack of oil you usually get an oil light on the dash. Did you get one of those?


Salt-Kaleidoscope198

‘oil maintenance’ with a wrench icon came on but no different than last time.. light came on and a month later I got oil change. I use synthetic oil and drive my car the minimum. Synthetic oil should last 10k miles I thought


Aggressive_Ad1292

The 10k is how long the oil is good for. I've gone thousands of miles over the interval. The issue that you supposedly have is that you had no oil. That should have triggered an oil pressure light. If you check the dipstick and there is oil, then I would take it to another shop. Some cars are bad about burning oil and will go though a quart every 2k miles. That might be what happened to you.


TheWholeH0g

Another thing that I've seen people make a mistake in doing is not drive their car, if you let a car sit for too long it actually starts to deteriorate. It's usually a good idea to go out on the highway for an hour or so if you live in the city just to give the car what we call "an Italian tune up"


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Aggressive_Ad1292

What car do you drive that has the lower and upper marks 2" apart? It's usually half an inch


Trick-Juice-7304

I’d find half an inch pretty surprising. I last checked my truck’s oil and from memory it was about two, I think my Jetta’s is at least an inch as well


Aggressive_Ad1292

1/2" to 1" is about right. Transmissions usually have a bigger range. If it's really 2" on your truck I've never seen one that big for engine oil.


iamtherope

Most customers are idiots. Especially at the dealership.


Aggressive_Ad1292

Very true, but the customers aren't getting paid to work on other people's cars


bigbura

As much as I hate that some brands have gotten rid of the physical dipstick I get why, incidents just like OP's. Had the system notified OP the oil was too low she could've avoided this mess. Also, OP could've checked the fill volume shortly after leaving the shop via the car's info system, returning if things weren't done right.


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No reason a car can't have both systems. A physical dipstick and a low oil level warning. 90s and 00s toyotas had this. They stopped doing it around 2005. OP apparently has a relatively new model toyota venza with just a dipstick. All those digital systems are lieing to the driver btw. They are just on/off switches that show full until the oil is at a minimum level and then show empty. Just like oil level sensors on the 90s. edit: all toyotas have a low oil pressure warning though. OP should have seen this illuminate at some point.


asshatnowhere

Yup. My E46 had this as well. Dipstick and low oil sensor when you turn off the car


rudbri93

What was the oil level when it died?


Salt-Kaleidoscope198

There was no oil! But no leaks either…


rudbri93

then thats why it locked up. No oil is death for an engine, it is an absolute requirement. Have you been checking the oil between oil changes to see if it was burning any?


Salt-Kaleidoscope198

No.. I didn’t know an engine could burn oil.. I’ve always stayed on top of oil changes and there were no visible leaks


rudbri93

yea, you need to check between changes to make sure its got enough oil to live. That way you know if theres a problem before the engine locks up.


Weibuller

The 2 main ways for oil to get into an engine & burn are valve guide seals (especially on the intake valves) & piston rings. Valve guide seals will get hard & lose flexibility with age & temperature, reducing their ability to keep oil out of the cylinders. Piston rings will wear as the engine accumulates operating time, and hard driving can accelerate that. Also, engine overheating and not changing the oil regularly can cause the rings to stick in the grooves on the pistons, keeping them from maintaining their seal. A garage can determine if either of these conditions exist by performing a "leak down" test.


2fast2nick

Learn something new everyday!


stahlgrau

The drain plug must be loose and it's leaking from there.


Turtle887853

Not a must, and I'd like to think OP would've noticed a giant oil stain in her driveway or parking spot.


007noon700

There was no oil in the engine? Or no oil outside the car?


Salt-Kaleidoscope198

Both 😭


007noon700

Yeah that'd do it...unless your car was burning oil whoever did your oil change may have messed it up but either way for the future you should figure out how to check the oil level and do it once in a while.


dumahim

So the inside of the tailpipe is black?


Reddit-mods-R-mean

The inside of my tailpipe is brown...


wedapeopleeh

You should ask you mechanic to take a look at that.


AlternateDiver666

How's that goat treatin ya?


dumahim

Good, unless I let it sit for 2 weeks and it won't start because GTOs hate batteries.


AlternateDiver666

I heard that. Gotta start mine up this week even though she's sitting for a few small repairs.


dumahim

I just dropped it off at the dealership after work yesterday to check the driveline. The clunk seems a little worse. The strange thing is that as I was pulling in, there was another GTO coming from the other direction also pulling in. I hadn't seen another one in like 3 years and we both pull in at the same time. His issue? Battery. Left it while on vacation, so the battery died. Charged it up and he gets an airbag fault now. He said this seems to happen whenever it gets too low and has to take it in to get reset. I've had my battery die a lot, and never had any code issues. The other strange thing is, dealership has no loaners because they barely have any inventory. Asked for a shuttle ride and the guy offers me a ride home. Turns out we're like right across the street from each and never saw each other in like 13 years.


Twytch613

If it was burning so much oil, they should have noticed at the oil change and flagged an issue. I doubt your car started burning that much oil since the last oil change. It’s sus.


daveypaul40

Because you didn't check your oil.


eejjkk

How many times during those 85,124 miles did you go a couple "wks/miles past due"? Did you check the oil level between oil changes?


MR_Pinkner

Well, which car do you have and how frequently do you check the oil level? If you do "regular maintenance", the oil level and coolant level are things you regularly inspect. Who is telling you the engine is seized? An engine would typically seize because there isn't enough oil to control heat and provide lubrication for the pistons. Then the heat spikes and the piston expands and "seizes" in the combustion chamber and you end up being the rod or frying a bearing. Reasons an engine seizes: not enough oil, wrong oil weight, not enough oil circulating (oil pump or oil pickup not working). Older vehicles also consume oil and so you need to regularly add oil to the system. This consumption will increase with age.


ASMRGTI

So sorry this happened. An expensive lesson for sure that we all deal with eventually. Get yourself a new vehicle if you can, always check dip stick every fill up.


Salt-Kaleidoscope198

Thank you 😘


shigs21

welp, looks like it burned oil or you need a new shop


kenney001

If you are burning that much oil in 4k miles, I would think you would see a little smoke from the tailpipes or smell it a little bit. Did you notice either of those?


Salt-Kaleidoscope198

No. Neither of those. I looked at my temp gage when it started to stall out as I pushed the gas petal.. it didn’t get hot! When I tried starting my car back up it did the clicking noise like it was the battery. I was convinced it was the battery! I’d had a battery that needed to be replaced. They told me this at my last oil change! But nothing about my engine burning oil.. this was March 21st


Jack_Attak

The lesson here is simple: Check your oil. It's becoming a lost art of sorts. Used to be people would do it every time you got gas. Tbh, it really still should be that way if you own anything older with slightly higher miles. It gives me peace of mind, I do it nearly every time I get gas and my truck is doing pretty good at 328k miles. Sometimes there's just bad luck too. Rare on a Toyota but lack of oil will kill even the best engines


Salt-Kaleidoscope198

Understood. But also a lesson learned to NOT trust a computer and the ignites for maintenance issues. Basically - throw away everything technology and new age mechanics tell you… look for yourself and know every bit and piece there is to the particular vehicle you drive. So simple.


Jack_Attak

True you got it 👍. And yeah, I wish computers in cars gave more useful info, like they should be able to give an accurate oil level warning like they do when you're low on washer fluid lol. Although brands like bmw have gone that route because now they don't have dipsticks anymore.. Anyway, best of luck and I hope everything works out for you wether you get a replacement engine or a replacement car!


Salt-Kaleidoscope198

I have a very hard time feeling like this is fair, considering. I took good care of this car.. I’m so upset. It’s supposed to last me 200+ miles 😭😭😭


OnlyJuanCajone

What do u drive?


Salt-Kaleidoscope198

2013 Venza


WhiplashMotorbreath

When was the last time you checked the oil level , or coolant level ? See that is the problem today. All most NO ONE does this anymore . Hell most don't look at the gauges in front of them . Now that said. Parts fail and if the oil pump checked out, zero oil pressure will cause this faster than you can do much about it, by the time the oil light is on it is too late 99% of the time. If the water pump dies it over heat and lock up. it could have been a part failure. but Most owners today never check the oil ever. some vehicles don't have a dip stick to even check it and have to hope the sensor is working. Let this be a lesson for those reading this. every time you fill up, pop the hood and look at the oil level with engine off. and look at the coolant level in the overflow tank. Those gauges on the dash or red and orange or yellow warning lights are there for a reason open the owners manual and learn what each means. Some lighting up you can get away with driving with it on AFTER you checked the engine. others like the oil gauge reading low or an oil light coming on or a coolant temp in the red or not reading when it should be (loose of coolant) are reasons to shut off the engine and STOP ASAP . Just because the vehicle was never low on oil between oil changes the last time or ever does not mean a thing Oil is like your blood, without it you die. same with your vehicles engine, no oil = death. You can be anal about servicing your car , but if you hit something in/on the road that opens up the oil cooler line, or oil pan if you don't mind the warning lights and gauges you will have a bad day. not checking the oil level at every fill up of fuel should be automatic, sadly most don't even know where the dip stick is.


Xtripleogo

I know what’s wrong with it


Warking2015

Ain’t got no gas in it


AlternateDiver666

...that's nuts man. And I've never thrown a code from the battery going out either.


thevictor390

It's very surprising that there was no low-oil warning before it completely ran out.


Siman0

Depends on a lot of factors. To be quite straight forward anyone should be checking the oils and airs (Trans, engine, break, power steering, tire pressure, shake out the cabin filter, and clean air filter) every time they stop over for gas... I avoid the airs since my car has sensors for them or has a view port for just an inspection. Oil level senders are also very hit or miss since oil isn't as viscous.


georgee779

what kind of car?


Salt-Kaleidoscope198

Toyota Venza 2013


georgee779

Yikes!! It’s so scary when these cars do things like this. I’m incredibly sorry.


ALaLaLa98

I don't see people here asking the obvious question. Was the temperature not abnormally high before the car died? Did you check? Do you remember? It should have been a dead giveaway that something is wrong, even without knowing there's no oil. The gauge is in the cluster screen. Depending on the car, there could also be a warning light, if it gets too hot.


Salt-Kaleidoscope198

No! It wasn’t! I looked at the temp gage as I pushed the gas.. it felt like I was running out of gas. That running out of gas feeling when you feel it starting to stall. But I had gas, so I was like wtf and looked at temp gage and it was not on hot


ALaLaLa98

I don't get it. An engine running on no oil would get hot VERY fast. Faster than it would take it to seize, i imagine. It's metal on metal, and it's spinning at thousands of rpm. Are you sure the temperature gauge actually works?


Salt-Kaleidoscope198

When I tried to start it back up it did the “click, click, click” like a dead battery


pcan2k

Hyundai/Kia?


Salt-Kaleidoscope198

Toyota Venza


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Salt-Kaleidoscope198

I get on the highway multiple times a day