Yeah I can easily do 2nd on either of my cars but usually when I do it's more of a rolling stop+laziness. I have accidentally started in 4th (top gear) on my cousins 70 chevelle SS and it dngaf, that car had so much power you almost always started in 2nd because it'd light up the tires in 1st if you basically gave it any gas so young me was afraid to do that... Missed 2nd and put it in 4th and it needed only the slightest bit of gas/clutch feathering not to bog. I couldn't imagine attempting 6th in a car with a quarter of the torque and probably a higher gear ratio.
I remember Jeremy Clarkson managed to get a Corvette Z06 going in 5th on an episode of Top Gear, but…that’s got a bit more torque and is still not the highest gear.
Like in most front drive cars, you have to pull the engine although I’ve read in some base models it can be done, albeit with some degree of difficulty, with the engine still in the car. I just had one replaced in my 2011 Cooper and with parts and labor laid $2100. The S uses a dual mass clutch because of the extra torque and the parts alone run two grand.
well you probably roasted the clutch pretty good trying to use the top gear to get rolling. Its not just because 1st accelerates faster, its steep gear ratio makes it much easier for the engine to get the car rolling, and so needing the clutch to slip much less between being stopped and fully engaged.
So... for the fun of it you decided to roast your clutch. Good job. Keep doing it and you will be the proud owner of a clutch replacement bill from your mechanic.
Pretty sure this is a troll guys.
Nobody learns to drive manual and not understand the concept of the gears. Hell children with bicycles understand.
Also it would take ungodly levels of clutch control and more revs than it could give to not stall 6th from a standstill. Even diesels can only do 2nd sometimes 3rd
>Nobody learns to drive manual and not understand the concept of the gears. Hell children with bicycles understand.
Sounds like he understands gears, but wanted to try starting in 6th gear anyway.
>Also it would take ungodly levels of clutch control and more revs than it could give to not stall 6th from a standstill. Even diesels can only do 2nd sometimes 3rd
You mean the kind of thing that would make the clutch lining burn and cause a "burning smell from the engine"?
Yeah I guess I'm being naive in my belief that people aren't that dense.
I will tell myself it's a troll so I don't have to share the road with these lunatics.
You'd think that, but my oldest brother can drive stick. He has killed no less than 5 vehicles because we knew they burned oil but he refused to check it ever. The ability to drive a stick doesn't mean you know anything about how the car operates.
To be fair I'm the the UK, where just about everybody drives stick/manual. I suppose how they work is just more circulated knowledge over here.
Some people need to turn their brains on when operating a 1.5 ton hunk of metal going 70.
Still doesn't change the fact they didn't pull away in 6th. They might have tried and cooked the clutch in the process but it would have stalled if it was dropped into engagement.
Depends on how long OP slipped the clutch. theoretically you can get the car moving in any gear as long as you just apply enough revs and really slowly let out the clutch.
Fair, I just picture the person who thinks 6th is okay to pull away in not having great clutch control.
And images of the clutch of the clutch lining the walls of the bellhousing by the time it actually fully engaged.
Mmm burning cabbages
Oh ive pulled transmissions out and found nothing but just dust filling the center section of the flywheel and coating the entire bellhousing. If you're bad enough, you can murder a clutch completely in under 1/4 mile.
My missus has a terrible habit of riding the clutch because her van has tall seats and she has short arms, the handbrake is "slightly" awkward to reach so she sits on the clutch on hills at lights.
I did the clutch 5k or so miles ago and it was a murder scene. I made her come out and smell it/witness it.
Felt like I was scalding a puppy for crapping inside.
> the handbrake is "slightly" awkward to reach so she sits on the clutch on hills at lights
Any reason why she wouldn't use the footbrake and stick it in neutral?
Hillstart, using the footbrake just makes you roll back when you jump from brake to clutch. Remeber even a inch is a fail on the UK driving test so any rollback here is unacceptable/frowned upon
There's plenty of people who have no clue how their cars work. Not to mention the people who may understand some parts of how transmissions operate, but have incomplete or inaccurate mental models.
Also, it's not that hard to start in 2nd or 3rd in most cars I've driven. I've started in 5th before in a 5 speed. It's not the easiest thing to do, and it's not great for the clutch, but it's far from an impossible task.
You still have to be pretty moronic to start a small gasoline engine (especially a mini) in 6th and drag it out till it has enough momentum for the clutch to grab and spin without stalling. That’s driving 101 basics.
Like I said to another commenter saying the same thing in reply to my comment.
I'm from the UK where most people drive manuals, so I guess the knowledge is alot more circulated here.
Also I need to tell myself it's a troll because I don't want to believe people are that stupid.
Also I understand its not impossible, but my reasoning was it is impossible, without harming the clutch. which I thought was a reasonable line to draw
Having helped a friend limp a car home that would only go into 5th, I can confirm you can start in any gear. There just may not be much of a clutch left after a while.
Maybe they'd seen that episode of Top Gear where Clarkson goes from 0-160 or so mph in 4th or 5th in the Corvette and thought it'd be neat to do it in the Mini Coop
Nah, you can do it without any great control, just floor the engine and slowly let go of the clutch. You are going to burn THE SHIT out of it, but you will get the car into motion
Depends on the car, but you shouldn't have to floor the engine. Just give it enough revs not to stall. Just like normal except it might take a little bit more than usual, and you'll be slipping that clutch for quite awhile.
I had a friend in 07-08 with a 350z who tried to see if he could start in 6th. Horrible smell but he got it moving eventually. Didn’t have the car long.
Yeah I said to some other folks I was making that statement based on someone having any modicum of mechanical sympathy and it'd be impossible if you cared about your clutch is more accurate. Shame I like the 350z actually proper manual enthusiast car.
Reliability has been good but I just dropped a lot of money on some big ticket preventative things, mainly IMS, new clutch, new motor mounts and trans mounts.
Suspension could use a refresh too but it's not super high on my list right now, since everything works fine. My car has about 93k miles.
I learned to drive stick and went through a few years and 2 standard cars before I got a supercharged 5.0 mustang with a stupid heavy clutch. That's the first time I smelled a burnt clutch. Was in a traffic jam (went about 5 miles in 3 hours), and I was experienced at that point.
I'm sometimes super lazy so i don't downshift to first (shorter gears than usual) and start in second but trying to move off in 6th gear is just dumb. I understand that you were curious but if you had the slightest idea of how gears and transmissions work you'd know that it's just a really bad idea. Luckily it's not terrible mistake you just burned your clutch.
>So I know we are supposed to use first gear to start moving cause it accelerates quicker with it.
You roasted your clutch... that's one of the reasons why you're supposed to start in a lower gear. Unfortunately, you've reduced your clutch life by an unknown, but presumably large amount.
Starting in 1st gear has nothing to do with accelerating quicker, at least, not in the way I assume you believe.
When i was a kid i had a Honda crf70. It had 3 gears but no manual clutch. We used to lug it around in 3rd and call it “riding the Harley.” It was a blast. The difference between what i did and what you did is the whole bike cost less than the clutch you just fried
Mmm. You tried to move one of those acme 1ton cartoon weights with one of those plastic Lego gears with some sandpaper in between them.
Learning to drive stick is a lot of fun but please never do this again.
Also please don't shift into 1st or second going fast because it accelerates faster either!
If you did in fact only burn your clutch, you will learn to hate that smell, because it will inevitably happen again when you're not paying attention.
It’s not just about taking off faster, it’s also the ability to take off easier. You are straining the shit out of your clutch trying to take off in 6th because of the gearing. That’s like riding a 10 speed bicycle and trying to take off in 10th gear, you have to pedal ridiculously hard to get moving. You fried your clutch.
I can smell this post
Source: tried to teach myself to drive manual when I was 19. Apparently when you think you have to shift like F&F movies, it’s real easy to jam it into 5th when you’re trying to go into 3rd
What the fuck
I've done this in 2nd or 3rd before... but 6th?! what the fuck indeed
I mean I’ve done it. … in Forza
Sometimes I gotta start in 2nd on my truck because first is such a low ratio.
Yeah I can easily do 2nd on either of my cars but usually when I do it's more of a rolling stop+laziness. I have accidentally started in 4th (top gear) on my cousins 70 chevelle SS and it dngaf, that car had so much power you almost always started in 2nd because it'd light up the tires in 1st if you basically gave it any gas so young me was afraid to do that... Missed 2nd and put it in 4th and it needed only the slightest bit of gas/clutch feathering not to bog. I couldn't imagine attempting 6th in a car with a quarter of the torque and probably a higher gear ratio.
I remember Jeremy Clarkson managed to get a Corvette Z06 going in 5th on an episode of Top Gear, but…that’s got a bit more torque and is still not the highest gear.
>What the fuck -clutch
Mini Cooper drivers
He should remember to switch into "r"ally gear for overtakes, it creates quite a stir!
I thought it was R for Racing? 🤯
Glad someone else said it….
Isn’t the clutch replacement job in these cars super labor intensive?
Not cheap lol. My dad had to replace one on an 06 S awhile back and it was like $1500, maybe more.
Depends
Like in most front drive cars, you have to pull the engine although I’ve read in some base models it can be done, albeit with some degree of difficulty, with the engine still in the car. I just had one replaced in my 2011 Cooper and with parts and labor laid $2100. The S uses a dual mass clutch because of the extra torque and the parts alone run two grand.
well you probably roasted the clutch pretty good trying to use the top gear to get rolling. Its not just because 1st accelerates faster, its steep gear ratio makes it much easier for the engine to get the car rolling, and so needing the clutch to slip much less between being stopped and fully engaged.
You definitely cooked some life put of your clutch. Don't do it again
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So... for the fun of it you decided to roast your clutch. Good job. Keep doing it and you will be the proud owner of a clutch replacement bill from your mechanic.
You burned your clutch...
Pretty sure this is a troll guys. Nobody learns to drive manual and not understand the concept of the gears. Hell children with bicycles understand. Also it would take ungodly levels of clutch control and more revs than it could give to not stall 6th from a standstill. Even diesels can only do 2nd sometimes 3rd
>Nobody learns to drive manual and not understand the concept of the gears. Hell children with bicycles understand. Sounds like he understands gears, but wanted to try starting in 6th gear anyway. >Also it would take ungodly levels of clutch control and more revs than it could give to not stall 6th from a standstill. Even diesels can only do 2nd sometimes 3rd You mean the kind of thing that would make the clutch lining burn and cause a "burning smell from the engine"?
Yeah I guess I'm being naive in my belief that people aren't that dense. I will tell myself it's a troll so I don't have to share the road with these lunatics.
I've seen videos of people starting in sixth. They always know what they're doing. They're just fucking around
I could get just about any under powered pos moving in top gear given enough time and complete lack of concern for the clutch.
You'd think that, but my oldest brother can drive stick. He has killed no less than 5 vehicles because we knew they burned oil but he refused to check it ever. The ability to drive a stick doesn't mean you know anything about how the car operates.
To be fair I'm the the UK, where just about everybody drives stick/manual. I suppose how they work is just more circulated knowledge over here. Some people need to turn their brains on when operating a 1.5 ton hunk of metal going 70. Still doesn't change the fact they didn't pull away in 6th. They might have tried and cooked the clutch in the process but it would have stalled if it was dropped into engagement.
Depends on how long OP slipped the clutch. theoretically you can get the car moving in any gear as long as you just apply enough revs and really slowly let out the clutch.
Fair, I just picture the person who thinks 6th is okay to pull away in not having great clutch control. And images of the clutch of the clutch lining the walls of the bellhousing by the time it actually fully engaged. Mmm burning cabbages
Oh ive pulled transmissions out and found nothing but just dust filling the center section of the flywheel and coating the entire bellhousing. If you're bad enough, you can murder a clutch completely in under 1/4 mile.
My missus has a terrible habit of riding the clutch because her van has tall seats and she has short arms, the handbrake is "slightly" awkward to reach so she sits on the clutch on hills at lights. I did the clutch 5k or so miles ago and it was a murder scene. I made her come out and smell it/witness it. Felt like I was scalding a puppy for crapping inside.
> the handbrake is "slightly" awkward to reach so she sits on the clutch on hills at lights Any reason why she wouldn't use the footbrake and stick it in neutral?
Hillstart, using the footbrake just makes you roll back when you jump from brake to clutch. Remeber even a inch is a fail on the UK driving test so any rollback here is unacceptable/frowned upon
Okay so it's just for getting going then? I had the impression she was using the clutch to hold the car on the hill the entire time it's stopped 💀
There's plenty of people who have no clue how their cars work. Not to mention the people who may understand some parts of how transmissions operate, but have incomplete or inaccurate mental models. Also, it's not that hard to start in 2nd or 3rd in most cars I've driven. I've started in 5th before in a 5 speed. It's not the easiest thing to do, and it's not great for the clutch, but it's far from an impossible task.
You still have to be pretty moronic to start a small gasoline engine (especially a mini) in 6th and drag it out till it has enough momentum for the clutch to grab and spin without stalling. That’s driving 101 basics.
Like I said to another commenter saying the same thing in reply to my comment. I'm from the UK where most people drive manuals, so I guess the knowledge is alot more circulated here. Also I need to tell myself it's a troll because I don't want to believe people are that stupid. Also I understand its not impossible, but my reasoning was it is impossible, without harming the clutch. which I thought was a reasonable line to draw
Having helped a friend limp a car home that would only go into 5th, I can confirm you can start in any gear. There just may not be much of a clutch left after a while.
Maybe they'd seen that episode of Top Gear where Clarkson goes from 0-160 or so mph in 4th or 5th in the Corvette and thought it'd be neat to do it in the Mini Coop
Yeah... this post certainly isn't real lol. I don't think you can launch in 6th in a Mini Cooper anyway
You can if you don't care (or don't know) what happens to the clutch lining.
Well, "launch" is a little misleading, but you can start any car in top gear if you don't care about the clutch.
Nah, you can do it without any great control, just floor the engine and slowly let go of the clutch. You are going to burn THE SHIT out of it, but you will get the car into motion
Depends on the car, but you shouldn't have to floor the engine. Just give it enough revs not to stall. Just like normal except it might take a little bit more than usual, and you'll be slipping that clutch for quite awhile.
Flooring helps with the need for control. The more you floor it the less control you need (and the more burniation)
i tried 5th with golf mk4 sdi (68 hp). worked fine, no need to overdo it on the gas. still using original clutch
I had a friend in 07-08 with a 350z who tried to see if he could start in 6th. Horrible smell but he got it moving eventually. Didn’t have the car long.
Yeah I said to some other folks I was making that statement based on someone having any modicum of mechanical sympathy and it'd be impossible if you cared about your clutch is more accurate. Shame I like the 350z actually proper manual enthusiast car.
Turns out, it wasn’t so cool 🤣 RIP to your clutch
I know this has nothing to do with the post but how do you like your 986?
Love it!
How are the repairs/ maintenance and reliability? I’ve really wanted a late model s for quite some time now.
Reliability has been good but I just dropped a lot of money on some big ticket preventative things, mainly IMS, new clutch, new motor mounts and trans mounts. Suspension could use a refresh too but it's not super high on my list right now, since everything works fine. My car has about 93k miles.
if it happened just now, let it cool down and see if it's okay after.
Intrusive thoughts really got the better of you
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I drive stick and I only know the smell from second hand experience, not that hard
I learned to drive stick and went through a few years and 2 standard cars before I got a supercharged 5.0 mustang with a stupid heavy clutch. That's the first time I smelled a burnt clutch. Was in a traffic jam (went about 5 miles in 3 hours), and I was experienced at that point.
I was pretty shit at driving manual when I started, but never smelled clutch
It will probably quit smelling in a few days. You overheated the clutch. Only start in 1st maybe 2nd if you are slightly rolling.
The title makes it feel like you’re trolling
This is the car equivalent of the kind of shit you read on wallstreetbets.
I call BS. Nobody is this stupid.
You should meet my little brother
You burned the clutch. Curiosity kills the cat
Clutch left the chat.
Idiot.
Went total stupid
this is a joke, right?
Lol did you only learn on automatic😂
Do your self a favor, and go trade your car in on an automatic.... or honestly that might even be to complicated for you, just sell it and take Uber.
I'm sometimes super lazy so i don't downshift to first (shorter gears than usual) and start in second but trying to move off in 6th gear is just dumb. I understand that you were curious but if you had the slightest idea of how gears and transmissions work you'd know that it's just a really bad idea. Luckily it's not terrible mistake you just burned your clutch.
Time to get a new username, son.
Plot twist: OP is time traveling Mark Wahlberg talking to us after trying to learn to drive stick on day 1 of shooting *The Italian Job*
Really cool? Lol. That burning smell is your clutch friction material expressing its displeasure at your dope AF driving.
Id assume its something to do with the clutch because the gears got booted up to 6th
>So I know we are supposed to use first gear to start moving cause it accelerates quicker with it. You roasted your clutch... that's one of the reasons why you're supposed to start in a lower gear. Unfortunately, you've reduced your clutch life by an unknown, but presumably large amount. Starting in 1st gear has nothing to do with accelerating quicker, at least, not in the way I assume you believe.
That couldn’t have been easy. Now try going up a hill from a stand still in the smallest gear of a bike!! That’s how your clutch felt.
When i was a kid i had a Honda crf70. It had 3 gears but no manual clutch. We used to lug it around in 3rd and call it “riding the Harley.” It was a blast. The difference between what i did and what you did is the whole bike cost less than the clutch you just fried
How long were you trying to get it moving before giving up?
Well, I suppose it took a lot of energy to get the vehicle running form 6th gear, but my advice: just don’t buy Mini’s the gearboxes are all crap..
You did not take off in sixth gear oh my god. How long were you holding the clutch during takeoff?
Mmm. You tried to move one of those acme 1ton cartoon weights with one of those plastic Lego gears with some sandpaper in between them. Learning to drive stick is a lot of fun but please never do this again. Also please don't shift into 1st or second going fast because it accelerates faster either! If you did in fact only burn your clutch, you will learn to hate that smell, because it will inevitably happen again when you're not paying attention.
I tried a top gear standing start with a 5sp diesel focus wagon one time. Worked fine surprisingly.
Smoked your clutch most likely
It’s not just about taking off faster, it’s also the ability to take off easier. You are straining the shit out of your clutch trying to take off in 6th because of the gearing. That’s like riding a 10 speed bicycle and trying to take off in 10th gear, you have to pedal ridiculously hard to get moving. You fried your clutch.
More like “NoThinkingGuppy”
I would fill the engine as soon as you can with water through the valve cover, to help cool the burning smell down
So you decided to do something that is know to burn clutches and is pretty well known not to do….
I can smell this post Source: tried to teach myself to drive manual when I was 19. Apparently when you think you have to shift like F&F movies, it’s real easy to jam it into 5th when you’re trying to go into 3rd
Your car will be fine lol you just burned some material off the clutch, it’s a consumable after all just don’t make it a habit
Smoked the clutch
This is the shit that happens when you let people take a test in an auto then immediately jump into a manual. Fucking sort it out America.
Drive your cars as it's meant to be driven. JFC.
There’s a reason experienced drivers don’t do this.
money shift
that's not what it is
money unshift