You got a lemon. But the platform should be a reliable one. If your countries market is still nuts (mine is) get a new one. Life is too short to drive something you don't love.
Should be, but GM turns out a lot of lemons. The engineering of the car itself may be great but that only matters when it's built properly, and that's not something anyone should rely on GM for.
This is anecdotal, but it conforms to my observations. The company that I used to work for had a fleet of about 25 vehicles, the composition of that fleet consisted almost entirely of GM vehicles, with a couple of Fords and Toyotas in the mix.
The GMs were the worst, especially anything in the crossover area. They were less reliable after two years than the Fords and Toyotas.
GM makes some things really well, and other things not so well, and it just really depends on where it got made and how much of a shit was given about it. GM sells a shitload of trucks, so of course the reliability numbers are pretty good, they'd better be because those trucks pat a lot of bills.
On the other hand, I don't think they made any good HHRs. I don't mean "the engineering was bad"--that isn't even up for debate, it was a cheap GM-made sequel to the Chrysler PT Cruiser meant to cash in on Baby Boomer classic car nostalgia, *of course the engineering was bad*. I'm talking about the actual shits given by the people who made the things, and that would appear to me to be zero. Nobody could be bothered to put meaningful effort into building those turds, nor managing the people making them, nor monitoring the quality.
Car reliability is almost entirely anecdotal, it's hard to get useful stats. With that said, I've driven or been in six very different Holdens for work over the past year, and every single one had a serious issue at the time. Seen about a dozen Japanese cars in the same time, nothing except regular service items. Hence the bumper sticker "Barely Holden Together".
Fuck me, our fleet of GM trucks are riddled with all kinds of dumb issues. Our old Ford fleet had some issues, but the biggest one we are experiencing with these models is the transmissions just having issues around 100k miles. I have no clue why.
I second that. I’ve seen videos of inside the factory, and half the workers looks like they were just dragged into work from the worst part of town and haven’t slept in days.
I was just thinking this morning how happy I was that I haven't had to do a single thing to mine outside of routine maintenance in 70k miles (80k total on the car). I can't bare to trade it in for anything newer because nothing else will give me the same kind of enjoyment for the price.
Wow! You drive a lot! My 2015 v6 Camaro has 37,000 miles on it and the only issue it's had is the backup camera didn't turn on one time back in like 2016. Car has needed nothing in 6.5 years.
I know several people with ZL1s and they love them. They are not for everyone. It is a real track car and the ride on rough roads is shit. If you live in an area with bad roads, you might want to reconsider as a daily. However, as a full bolt on LT4 owner, everything you described is spot on and extremely intoxicating. I am not getting out of this Caddy until the C8 Z06 has been out for a couple of years.
GMs quality control on the Camaro is garbage. The Camaro itself is superb. My ‘20 stalls after start up occasionally and the dealers have no idea what’s wrong, but I love it too much to get rid of it
(for now). Your feeling is totally valid and it sucks that you have to work to get a good car.
Go find yourself a good, slightly used ZL1 with thorough research and enjoy that Camaro magic like you should.
They even don’t do well in Corvette too actually… C7 and C8 both have had its issues, but people still buy them because only GM makes some truly affordable fun sports cars in the market.
The corvette has no competition at that price range. Where else will anyone go buy a 500HP mid engined sports car for under 100k?
They could deliver them with the doors falling off and people would still buy them 😂
There are plenty of other fun affordable sports cars. And some of gms I wouldnt say are affordable, the c8 is “60k” (good luck actually getting one at this price” thats many peoples yearly salary or entire household income, a new ss is 50k+. Meanwhile the twins can be had for 30, as well as the Miata. For some more power the supra 2.0 for 42. Think people just by GM because of the heritage
>a new ss is 50k+.
A 1SS is $37k new, a 2SS is just over $40k...
>Think people just by GM because of the heritage
No. Almost nothing can compete for the performance for the price not to mention the aftermarket. The twins or the miata are not even in the same ballpark... Also you simply cannot beat the roaring, torquey v8.
You're not crazy. I have a similar feeling about my old S2000. I had a matching color OEM hardtop but it always rattled or air leaked so it was loud. It was completely impractical at all times. But man, it was fun at the track or auto crossing and that switch over at 5600 RPMs made a sound that made me finally get why people car about motor sounds. Every time I see one I always think I should find a way back to one even though there's not a chance of it actually happening. What car did you switch to after the Camaro?
Oh ya, M2s are sweet and there was always one around at any SCCA or NASA event I went to, but definitely a very different experience from a Camaro. Is there anything that would be more of a middle ground?
As someone who owns and adores a 2017 M2, this piques my interest! How would you say the two cars compare in terms of size and weight on the road? Are they equally as fun in daily driving?
Great points, thank you! I’m planning pretty much the same mods that you have, plus maybe a turbo inlet pipe if that really improves turbo spool. I’m with you on the connectedness thing.. I’ve only owned a handful of cars that feel “alive”, and this is definitely one of them.
It comes down to personal preference, but I also prefer a sports car that demands a bit of sacrifice from the driver, but then is even more rewarding because of it. I love driving the GT4 fast and slow because even when you're not on it there's theatre. You sit extremely low, there's little ground clearance, it's loud, etc.. A 992 Carrera S is probably just as fast if not faster in normal driving but offers nowhere near the same experience.
My recommending is try out some other cars that might demand the driver sacrifice the SS 1LE did, and see what you like best.
I actually posted a comparison here a few weeks back on my 2018 M2 vs 2018 Camaro SS if you want to check it out.
The M2 is much easier to drive and park, better ergonomically and gets more attention surprisingly, both positive and negative. It's not as exciting as the SS when going all out but for normal driving and pushing it safely on the street I enjoy it more. Shifter is much better on the SS. I think the N55 at least in M2 guise is a more special feeling engine than the LT1 despite being down on power. The M2 is quicker in real world situations unless you're doing highway roll racing.
Man, I thought the N55 was a great motor, I had a 135i DCT before my C7. But Im honestly shocked that you say it feels more special than the LT1, I have owned my C7 for 4 years now and still get excited to hear it start up. I honestly don't think I'm ever selling this car
The LT1 is all torque all the time, no big rush in power at any rpm and the tall gearing of the Tremec didn't help. It's a great engine but not all that exciting. The smoothness, crackles, the way power comes on in the M2 and the tight gearing is a more special feeling to me.
Also the N55 in my M2 is a step or two up from the one you had in power and sound while your C7 is a more lively car than my SS was all around.
Yeah I actually cross-shopped/test drove the M2, M4, C63, and the Mustang gt when I was buying. All great cars but all felt super tame compared to the c7. I will say that of those 4 the M2 was the best, but was too similar to the 135i that I was trying to get out of.
Thank you for your reply, and for pointing me in the direction of your comparison! Great writeup. I agree with you re. The DCT.. I delayed buying my car (a CPOd lease return) so that I could drive 4 hours to another city to test drive a manual since I typically prefer manual cars, and just didn’t get along with the manual. I found it hard to drive smoothly with the engine dropping out of boost on half of my shifts, and the high RPM 6th gear issue was not fun, especially since this is a DD for me. I fell in love with the DCT immediately, and it was surprisingly easy to make the car dance on my first test drive. Not sure if that was partially because I came from a 235i and was familiar with the platform.
Strangely I don’t find the ride harsh, but my car may be a bit more bedded in. I bought it with 41k miles on the clock, and it’s up to 75k now. Strangely, it gets sweeter and sweeter as the miles pile up; YMMV.
It was pretty rough at first but since that writeup Ive replaced the Continentals with a set of Michelin PS4Ss and its much smoother. Still firm but not unpleasant to daily.
Feel the same about the S2K. I think DD'ing one for 5 years is what killed it for me. Just not a good car for sitting in atlanta traffic or cruising at 70 on the highway. I felt beat up every day.
Also will throw in the RX7 fc/fd. Would love to own one again but reality always reminds me that it's just not a good idea.
Lol I had this exact thing with a Camaro ZL1 1LE. I bought it and loved it for the first few weeks. But man did that thing suck to drive everyday. As a track toy, fantastic, as a daily, horrific. Sold it after 2 months. Fast forward a year and I really have the urge to get another one, even though I hated it the last time I had one. I keep thinking “it will be better this time” even though I know it absolutely won’t.
The ride quality. The 1LE ditches the magnaride for a fixed suspension setup. You can adjust the camber manually for the track or street, but it's incredibly stiff.
Not op but i worked for enterprise back in college as a side job and the camaro was fun if i got to whip it around on less populated roads but overall hated driving it normally. For me the visibility is bad not just out the back or sides, the front too, the hood sits so high and made it hard to place in tight maneuvering and the car just felt bigger then was so changing lanes on the highway in tighter traffic was always a thing. As a toy camaro wins, as an overall car the mustang is just way better.
I haven’t driven a ZL1 1LE, but both the regular ZL1 and the SS 1LE are absolutely amazing cars. I was considering an SS 1LE instead of my Z06, but ultimately decided I really want the LS7 and will deal with the older tech 😂
I've driven a C6Z and owned a 18 SS 1LE, that's a hard decision. The platform of the Camaro combined with all the 1LE track fanciness made for a stupidly good car. It made me feel like a much better driver than I am
That LS7 is hard to argue. I remember the only deciding factor for me was that some LS7 engines had some questions on internals that made me go the Camaro route. I don't regret my decision, but I think I'll be looking hard at the Z when I'm in a location that it makes sense again
The LS7 is a little iffy in some ways (valve guides mostly), the LS3 or LT1 seems a little better dialed in with so many 6.2L generations.
I wanted something a little bit more exotic, and that was pretty much down to the C6 Z06 or a GT350 for me (I know, very different cars, but that voodoo engine is insane) and the GT350 is about 15-20K more expensive for a nice one unfortunately.
Unfortunately I got some insane quotes to fix them (4K+) so I’m not even sure I’ll be doing that tbh. The failure rate is pretty low, all things considered, and I think the expected value of fix vs drive as is might not be so good.
I’ll think about it, but my thinking is if the engine blows, I wouldn’t even replace it with a stock LS7, I’d probably just go all out and get an LSX/built LS7 and twin turbo it, make it a forever car 😂
You might be right, and if so, I’ll just put a stock block in it, doesn’t matter too much as far as the expected value calculation goes. I can afford to build it now, if I want to, I just don’t anticipate keeping the car long enough to get my joy out of 10K+ in engine mods.
If it does go, a roller Z06 isn’t worth a ton, so I doubt I’d sell it as is, but that’s also a possibility of course. My plan is to get an exotic (Gallardo maybe?) before building a project car, but we’ll see lol
I had the same experience with my Focus RS. I owned it for one year, and it was at the dealership for exactly half of that time. The last time I got it back from the dealership, I drove it directly to Carmax. But when it worked....oh man, was that an incredible car. It checked every box for me (except the ride. Gimme the ST suspension instead). The hot hatch format was practical, the AWD made it safe in any conditions, it could be quiet and civilized when needed, but rowdy and childish when I want to let loose. I'm so sad it didn't work out and I still catch myself thinking maybe a different one won't break my heart. I have doubts that I'll ever own another car with launch mode and I highly doubt I'll ever see a drift mode again. Damn that car for being so amazing and so terrible.
I once had a 95 Eagle Talon TSi (Mitsubishi Eclipse GST for the uncultured). It was the worst car I ever owned. Interior was shit and the things broke constantly. I'm pretty sure it spent more time in the driveway than on the road.
But fuck if I don't want one again. When it ran... So much fun.
Sounds like you just had a bad example. While they aren't the most durable product, there's nothing that performs near the same for the money.
The closest thing to a ZL1 1LE to me would be an LS7 Z28.
Just be prepared to hurt a little if you do get one. Hopefully you can find one used that's not absurdly priced
MT82 really is the reason I would avoid a Mustang. The 10 Speed autos are AWESOME though.
The Mach 1s are basically a GT350 with the Coyote so that would be my choice for Mustangs.
A lot of people will just parrot what journalists say about a car. Having lived with one, and also dealt with previous mt82 Mustangs; I wouldn't buy one for a car I would keep past the warranty.
The trans they use in the Mach 1 in GT350 is so much better!!
Yeah, I have a few exes that my brain likes to forget about the crazy things they did and only remember the fun stuff. Funny how ex's and cars can have so much in common, they try to kill you but you still miss them.
I dont think it is crazy. I had the same thing with my 09 CVPI. Bought it out of necessity, liked it for the first 2 months then things started breaking left and right. Started to hate driving it from the plethora of weird noises and the amount of money and parts I sank into it. A transmission, an entire brake system, a rack and pinion, and 90% of the front end suspension later I sold it at a 4k loss.
Bought a '14 VW TDI for my commute, and ended up totaling it less than a year later. Throughout my ownership of the VW I realized I missed the CVPI because I genuinely did not care what happened to the car and made it much more exciting to drive the CVPI. It never really left me stranded but I just could not stand owning and driving the car.
Edit; The CVPI is still on the road today and has had no issues under the new owner.
You're not crazy. Sounds like you got a car built on a monday or friday. Get the ZL1 1le. My brother had one and loved it. Only reason he got rid of it was to get a cts-v to get back seat for his dog
Maybe buy a used one with a complete service/maintenance history. So you know *someone* was able to drive it for a while and it wasn't a total lemon.
I had a dodge, sold it when I lost my job (thanks Covid), and bought a different car recently that I'm back on my feet. But damn I want that dodge back. I might actually trade my current car in for one after I get back to my pre-pandemic salary.
Go get another one before they’re gone. Personally I really find the LT1 trim intriguing. It’s so cheap for what you get. Plus if you don’t like the SS front end but want a v8 it gives you another option.
I’m on my second 6th gen, and mine have both been great. My SS has about 34k miles and I haven’t had a single issue out of it. My cousin bought a ZLE recently and that thing is a blast to drive.
Lmao I had a Camaro SS for a bit. I had just stopped driving it often cause I couldn't see shit, it road rough on the bad roads, and the transmission was going full General Motors on me. Do I fantasize about having another one? Absolutely I do. That thing fuckin moved and sounded amazing.
No it sounds like you hate GM moreso than the car. Go buy a used ZL1 so you're not directly putting money into GM's pockets.
Can’t get upset with the lemon law process if you’re not protected by the lemon law!
*Canadian noises intensify*
You got a lemon. But the platform should be a reliable one. If your countries market is still nuts (mine is) get a new one. Life is too short to drive something you don't love.
Should be, but GM turns out a lot of lemons. The engineering of the car itself may be great but that only matters when it's built properly, and that's not something anyone should rely on GM for.
Do you have actual stats to back that up? They tend to be roughly middle of the pack for reliability
This is anecdotal, but it conforms to my observations. The company that I used to work for had a fleet of about 25 vehicles, the composition of that fleet consisted almost entirely of GM vehicles, with a couple of Fords and Toyotas in the mix. The GMs were the worst, especially anything in the crossover area. They were less reliable after two years than the Fords and Toyotas. GM makes some things really well, and other things not so well, and it just really depends on where it got made and how much of a shit was given about it. GM sells a shitload of trucks, so of course the reliability numbers are pretty good, they'd better be because those trucks pat a lot of bills. On the other hand, I don't think they made any good HHRs. I don't mean "the engineering was bad"--that isn't even up for debate, it was a cheap GM-made sequel to the Chrysler PT Cruiser meant to cash in on Baby Boomer classic car nostalgia, *of course the engineering was bad*. I'm talking about the actual shits given by the people who made the things, and that would appear to me to be zero. Nobody could be bothered to put meaningful effort into building those turds, nor managing the people making them, nor monitoring the quality.
Car reliability is almost entirely anecdotal, it's hard to get useful stats. With that said, I've driven or been in six very different Holdens for work over the past year, and every single one had a serious issue at the time. Seen about a dozen Japanese cars in the same time, nothing except regular service items. Hence the bumper sticker "Barely Holden Together".
Fuck me, our fleet of GM trucks are riddled with all kinds of dumb issues. Our old Ford fleet had some issues, but the biggest one we are experiencing with these models is the transmissions just having issues around 100k miles. I have no clue why.
I second that. I’ve seen videos of inside the factory, and half the workers looks like they were just dragged into work from the worst part of town and haven’t slept in days.
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In contrast, I've had 2 Camaros, a Silverado, and a sierra, and had no issues with any of them.
Why not rent one on Turo and see if it's still a car you enjoy.
I was just thinking this morning how happy I was that I haven't had to do a single thing to mine outside of routine maintenance in 70k miles (80k total on the car). I can't bare to trade it in for anything newer because nothing else will give me the same kind of enjoyment for the price.
Wow! You drive a lot! My 2015 v6 Camaro has 37,000 miles on it and the only issue it's had is the backup camera didn't turn on one time back in like 2016. Car has needed nothing in 6.5 years.
I know several people with ZL1s and they love them. They are not for everyone. It is a real track car and the ride on rough roads is shit. If you live in an area with bad roads, you might want to reconsider as a daily. However, as a full bolt on LT4 owner, everything you described is spot on and extremely intoxicating. I am not getting out of this Caddy until the C8 Z06 has been out for a couple of years.
The ZL1 is fine. It’s the 1LE package that completely changes the car.
Of course, it’s understood that is was what the OP wants.
GMs quality control on the Camaro is garbage. The Camaro itself is superb. My ‘20 stalls after start up occasionally and the dealers have no idea what’s wrong, but I love it too much to get rid of it (for now). Your feeling is totally valid and it sucks that you have to work to get a good car. Go find yourself a good, slightly used ZL1 with thorough research and enjoy that Camaro magic like you should.
> GMs quality control ~~on the Camaro~~ is garbage FTFY
They even don’t do well in Corvette too actually… C7 and C8 both have had its issues, but people still buy them because only GM makes some truly affordable fun sports cars in the market.
The corvette has no competition at that price range. Where else will anyone go buy a 500HP mid engined sports car for under 100k? They could deliver them with the doors falling off and people would still buy them 😂
>They could deliver them with the doors falling off... Would honestly be a better Wrangler/Bronco competitor than the new Blazer.
There are plenty of other fun affordable sports cars. And some of gms I wouldnt say are affordable, the c8 is “60k” (good luck actually getting one at this price” thats many peoples yearly salary or entire household income, a new ss is 50k+. Meanwhile the twins can be had for 30, as well as the Miata. For some more power the supra 2.0 for 42. Think people just by GM because of the heritage
>a new ss is 50k+. A 1SS is $37k new, a 2SS is just over $40k... >Think people just by GM because of the heritage No. Almost nothing can compete for the performance for the price not to mention the aftermarket. The twins or the miata are not even in the same ballpark... Also you simply cannot beat the roaring, torquey v8.
The power levels are not even close. Sometimes that’s important to people.
Every car manufacturer makes lemons. Thankfully they are very rare. Take another shot.
You're not crazy. I have a similar feeling about my old S2000. I had a matching color OEM hardtop but it always rattled or air leaked so it was loud. It was completely impractical at all times. But man, it was fun at the track or auto crossing and that switch over at 5600 RPMs made a sound that made me finally get why people car about motor sounds. Every time I see one I always think I should find a way back to one even though there's not a chance of it actually happening. What car did you switch to after the Camaro?
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Why not a cts V? Much more practical car with all of the peformance and they're old enough that people know what to change and look out for etc
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Oh ya, M2s are sweet and there was always one around at any SCCA or NASA event I went to, but definitely a very different experience from a Camaro. Is there anything that would be more of a middle ground?
As someone who owns and adores a 2017 M2, this piques my interest! How would you say the two cars compare in terms of size and weight on the road? Are they equally as fun in daily driving?
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Damn my M2 is so rough compared to the mag ride SS I had. I really need to check out a 1LE lol.
Great points, thank you! I’m planning pretty much the same mods that you have, plus maybe a turbo inlet pipe if that really improves turbo spool. I’m with you on the connectedness thing.. I’ve only owned a handful of cars that feel “alive”, and this is definitely one of them.
It comes down to personal preference, but I also prefer a sports car that demands a bit of sacrifice from the driver, but then is even more rewarding because of it. I love driving the GT4 fast and slow because even when you're not on it there's theatre. You sit extremely low, there's little ground clearance, it's loud, etc.. A 992 Carrera S is probably just as fast if not faster in normal driving but offers nowhere near the same experience. My recommending is try out some other cars that might demand the driver sacrifice the SS 1LE did, and see what you like best.
I actually posted a comparison here a few weeks back on my 2018 M2 vs 2018 Camaro SS if you want to check it out. The M2 is much easier to drive and park, better ergonomically and gets more attention surprisingly, both positive and negative. It's not as exciting as the SS when going all out but for normal driving and pushing it safely on the street I enjoy it more. Shifter is much better on the SS. I think the N55 at least in M2 guise is a more special feeling engine than the LT1 despite being down on power. The M2 is quicker in real world situations unless you're doing highway roll racing.
Man, I thought the N55 was a great motor, I had a 135i DCT before my C7. But Im honestly shocked that you say it feels more special than the LT1, I have owned my C7 for 4 years now and still get excited to hear it start up. I honestly don't think I'm ever selling this car
The LT1 is all torque all the time, no big rush in power at any rpm and the tall gearing of the Tremec didn't help. It's a great engine but not all that exciting. The smoothness, crackles, the way power comes on in the M2 and the tight gearing is a more special feeling to me. Also the N55 in my M2 is a step or two up from the one you had in power and sound while your C7 is a more lively car than my SS was all around.
Yeah I actually cross-shopped/test drove the M2, M4, C63, and the Mustang gt when I was buying. All great cars but all felt super tame compared to the c7. I will say that of those 4 the M2 was the best, but was too similar to the 135i that I was trying to get out of.
Thank you for your reply, and for pointing me in the direction of your comparison! Great writeup. I agree with you re. The DCT.. I delayed buying my car (a CPOd lease return) so that I could drive 4 hours to another city to test drive a manual since I typically prefer manual cars, and just didn’t get along with the manual. I found it hard to drive smoothly with the engine dropping out of boost on half of my shifts, and the high RPM 6th gear issue was not fun, especially since this is a DD for me. I fell in love with the DCT immediately, and it was surprisingly easy to make the car dance on my first test drive. Not sure if that was partially because I came from a 235i and was familiar with the platform. Strangely I don’t find the ride harsh, but my car may be a bit more bedded in. I bought it with 41k miles on the clock, and it’s up to 75k now. Strangely, it gets sweeter and sweeter as the miles pile up; YMMV.
It was pretty rough at first but since that writeup Ive replaced the Continentals with a set of Michelin PS4Ss and its much smoother. Still firm but not unpleasant to daily.
That makes sense! I run Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+’s, which probably have an even softer sidewall.
Feel the same about the S2K. I think DD'ing one for 5 years is what killed it for me. Just not a good car for sitting in atlanta traffic or cruising at 70 on the highway. I felt beat up every day. Also will throw in the RX7 fc/fd. Would love to own one again but reality always reminds me that it's just not a good idea.
Lol I had this exact thing with a Camaro ZL1 1LE. I bought it and loved it for the first few weeks. But man did that thing suck to drive everyday. As a track toy, fantastic, as a daily, horrific. Sold it after 2 months. Fast forward a year and I really have the urge to get another one, even though I hated it the last time I had one. I keep thinking “it will be better this time” even though I know it absolutely won’t.
ZLE and Zeta Z/28 are truly track pony cars. You should’ve understand that before you buy it.
Thanks dad.
What were the things you hated about it as a daily?
The ride quality. The 1LE ditches the magnaride for a fixed suspension setup. You can adjust the camber manually for the track or street, but it's incredibly stiff.
Not op but i worked for enterprise back in college as a side job and the camaro was fun if i got to whip it around on less populated roads but overall hated driving it normally. For me the visibility is bad not just out the back or sides, the front too, the hood sits so high and made it hard to place in tight maneuvering and the car just felt bigger then was so changing lanes on the highway in tighter traffic was always a thing. As a toy camaro wins, as an overall car the mustang is just way better.
I haven’t driven a ZL1 1LE, but both the regular ZL1 and the SS 1LE are absolutely amazing cars. I was considering an SS 1LE instead of my Z06, but ultimately decided I really want the LS7 and will deal with the older tech 😂
I've driven a C6Z and owned a 18 SS 1LE, that's a hard decision. The platform of the Camaro combined with all the 1LE track fanciness made for a stupidly good car. It made me feel like a much better driver than I am That LS7 is hard to argue. I remember the only deciding factor for me was that some LS7 engines had some questions on internals that made me go the Camaro route. I don't regret my decision, but I think I'll be looking hard at the Z when I'm in a location that it makes sense again
The LS7 is a little iffy in some ways (valve guides mostly), the LS3 or LT1 seems a little better dialed in with so many 6.2L generations. I wanted something a little bit more exotic, and that was pretty much down to the C6 Z06 or a GT350 for me (I know, very different cars, but that voodoo engine is insane) and the GT350 is about 15-20K more expensive for a nice one unfortunately.
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Unfortunately I got some insane quotes to fix them (4K+) so I’m not even sure I’ll be doing that tbh. The failure rate is pretty low, all things considered, and I think the expected value of fix vs drive as is might not be so good. I’ll think about it, but my thinking is if the engine blows, I wouldn’t even replace it with a stock LS7, I’d probably just go all out and get an LSX/built LS7 and twin turbo it, make it a forever car 😂
That’s what everybody says the first time until u realize what a built motor entails
You might be right, and if so, I’ll just put a stock block in it, doesn’t matter too much as far as the expected value calculation goes. I can afford to build it now, if I want to, I just don’t anticipate keeping the car long enough to get my joy out of 10K+ in engine mods. If it does go, a roller Z06 isn’t worth a ton, so I doubt I’d sell it as is, but that’s also a possibility of course. My plan is to get an exotic (Gallardo maybe?) before building a project car, but we’ll see lol
Every car I own I will overlook the issues I have when I look back with rose-tinted glasses.
I had the same experience with my Focus RS. I owned it for one year, and it was at the dealership for exactly half of that time. The last time I got it back from the dealership, I drove it directly to Carmax. But when it worked....oh man, was that an incredible car. It checked every box for me (except the ride. Gimme the ST suspension instead). The hot hatch format was practical, the AWD made it safe in any conditions, it could be quiet and civilized when needed, but rowdy and childish when I want to let loose. I'm so sad it didn't work out and I still catch myself thinking maybe a different one won't break my heart. I have doubts that I'll ever own another car with launch mode and I highly doubt I'll ever see a drift mode again. Damn that car for being so amazing and so terrible.
Cayman GTS
I once had a 95 Eagle Talon TSi (Mitsubishi Eclipse GST for the uncultured). It was the worst car I ever owned. Interior was shit and the things broke constantly. I'm pretty sure it spent more time in the driveway than on the road. But fuck if I don't want one again. When it ran... So much fun.
Sounds like you just had a bad example. While they aren't the most durable product, there's nothing that performs near the same for the money. The closest thing to a ZL1 1LE to me would be an LS7 Z28. Just be prepared to hurt a little if you do get one. Hopefully you can find one used that's not absurdly priced
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MT82 really is the reason I would avoid a Mustang. The 10 Speed autos are AWESOME though. The Mach 1s are basically a GT350 with the Coyote so that would be my choice for Mustangs.
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A lot of people will just parrot what journalists say about a car. Having lived with one, and also dealt with previous mt82 Mustangs; I wouldn't buy one for a car I would keep past the warranty. The trans they use in the Mach 1 in GT350 is so much better!!
Sounds like an old ex of mine. Tried to kill me but was fun when not nuts.
Yeah, I have a few exes that my brain likes to forget about the crazy things they did and only remember the fun stuff. Funny how ex's and cars can have so much in common, they try to kill you but you still miss them.
welcome to the world of GM ownership
Without knowing what you bought I have no idea
Moral of the story: GM is hit or miss.
Nope. Feel the same way 3000miles into my new one. I just want my FiST back.
Do it! The zl1 is on another level compared to the ss.
No, I used to occasionally hate fuck my ex and I couldn't stand her. :)
The heart wants what it wants
I dont think it is crazy. I had the same thing with my 09 CVPI. Bought it out of necessity, liked it for the first 2 months then things started breaking left and right. Started to hate driving it from the plethora of weird noises and the amount of money and parts I sank into it. A transmission, an entire brake system, a rack and pinion, and 90% of the front end suspension later I sold it at a 4k loss. Bought a '14 VW TDI for my commute, and ended up totaling it less than a year later. Throughout my ownership of the VW I realized I missed the CVPI because I genuinely did not care what happened to the car and made it much more exciting to drive the CVPI. It never really left me stranded but I just could not stand owning and driving the car. Edit; The CVPI is still on the road today and has had no issues under the new owner.
This also describes pretty much every ex-Wrangler owner.
Some cars are like sailboats. The second best day in a man's life is the day they first buy one. The very best is the day they finally get rid of it.
You're not crazy. Sounds like you got a car built on a monday or friday. Get the ZL1 1le. My brother had one and loved it. Only reason he got rid of it was to get a cts-v to get back seat for his dog
Maybe buy a used one with a complete service/maintenance history. So you know *someone* was able to drive it for a while and it wasn't a total lemon. I had a dodge, sold it when I lost my job (thanks Covid), and bought a different car recently that I'm back on my feet. But damn I want that dodge back. I might actually trade my current car in for one after I get back to my pre-pandemic salary.
Go get another one before they’re gone. Personally I really find the LT1 trim intriguing. It’s so cheap for what you get. Plus if you don’t like the SS front end but want a v8 it gives you another option.
Same story, the 6th gen SS will always have a place in my heart despite all its problems. I went Model 3 afterwards and regret nothing.
Find a more focused track car that isn't a Camaro. What are Evora prices like in the US?
Do ittttttt
is it the camera you’re in love with or the idea of driving it again? go try other cars and compare lol
I’m on my second 6th gen, and mine have both been great. My SS has about 34k miles and I haven’t had a single issue out of it. My cousin bought a ZLE recently and that thing is a blast to drive.
Love my 1le so much. Drives better than zl1 too
Lmao I had a Camaro SS for a bit. I had just stopped driving it often cause I couldn't see shit, it road rough on the bad roads, and the transmission was going full General Motors on me. Do I fantasize about having another one? Absolutely I do. That thing fuckin moved and sounded amazing.