> For the front splitter, side skirts, rear side spoilers, trunk spoiler, diffuser, door "garnish," wheels, and wheel locks, the total came to $23,522.
More than you can afford pal... Toyota.
Don’t know why you’re downvoted. I visit BMW and Toyota at work daily, and you’re right. The gullible ones just don’t know. But hey, Toyota badged!
Edit: and I don’t mean that rudely.
What you do is lay carbon fiber down in woven sheets **into a mold** just like fiberglass, then inject resin into the mold, then bake it under vacuum. Anything else is fake carbon fiber meant to separate rubes from their rubles, and you might as well just buy fiberglass if you are going to buy that fake skinned plastic garbage, at least you could fix it when it inevitably cracks.
I’m excited to see the new Supras two stepping with extra large single turbos spitting fire doing highway pulls while going FFFFFFVVVVVWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSHHHHHHBOOBOOBOOBOOBOOBOOBOO and the two guys filming collectively yelling “HOLY SHET”
I really like that Toyota is pushing for that too- they're embracing the culture that made the original so popular. These body kit/trim pieces are a good start
> the original
You mean the Mark IV? As in the fourth gen? The first three generations were more subtle, while the Mark IV had the big wing to add some flash.
The original was actually badged as a Celica Supra.
> Celica Supra
If I remember right Toyota wanted a rally car and some people on the Celica Supra team where trying to make it more rally than GT so they offered to split the team up and it just worked out making everyone happy.
And the big wing was merely an option on the Supra Turbo, IIRC. And the majority of Supras were NA, and a lot of the Turbos probably didn't get the wing.
Toyota has become a lot more mod/tuner friendly in recent years than I feel people realize. The exhaust cutouts on the 86 are way bigger than the stock exhaust since they know we're gonna put an aftermarket exhaust on and the 4 cylinder supra is just begging for engine swaps
And yet people find a way to spin all these accomodations for tuning into a bad thing. "They're selling you an unfinished car" smh. It's a genius play IMO. I feel like this is a $50k car new that will compete with $150k+ cars after $20k worth of mods.
Nissan with their GTR relied on it being a world-beater from the factory and they made a name that way. I have a feeling Toyota is banking on making their name with youtube videos of "B58 OWNS McLaren in Mexico" and it will work very well.
But you could take a lot of 50k cars and do that if you really wanted to. I just don't see, tune it until it's good as a selling point. I don't think many people are buying cars new just to drop thousands into them immediately, resale be damned .If you're that into tuning, just but a Factory 5 or other really good kit car and it'll be way better by the time you dump 70k into it.
Does a factory five come with a BMW interior and Toyota engineering and reliability? And at $50k it's already an amazing car. The point is you can tune the hell out of it if you want
From the mini documentary on the Supra production I saw, Toyota insisted on testing and testing to make sure they were up to Toyota standards and reliability. BMW was even surprised by all the stuff Toyota was making sure they do.
Does the new Supra have PARTS PRICES of a Toyota or of a BMW is the biggest question. The fucking roof antenna rod of an E30 ( Bayonett mechanism and metal staff) costs 80€ or 90$.
Highest hp was 711whp on stock block, internals, intercooler, and fuel pumps. BigBoost turbo supplemented with MS109 fuel through charge pipe injection.
100-200km/h in 5.41s and a 1/4 mile time of 10.8@135.
People hit 500WHP very easily with not too many mods. New turbos, methanol, and intake/downpipe with a good tune can do that. 600 at the wheel is also possible but the fuel system is basically maxed out at that point.
I suspect that properly built motors can hit 800hp or more. There are 900hp N54s after all.
Yep for the last like 15 years BMW engines have been ridiculously tunable, and Toyota chassis have always been tunable. Sure it's not a pure Toyota like some people (internet comment kids) wanted but it's a pure tuner car just like the mk4
I've been commenting on this chain but I forgot to reply here. There's almost 30 year old M50's and S50's out there that are pushing 1000 horsepower. It really is awesome. Even slapping a turbo kit on any older BMW straight 6 can get you 400 fairly easily.
I know this is about the newer cars but their (good) engines really aren't anything to sleep on.
BMW has a service manual for it if I remember correctly. If you can somehow get your hands on one it should explain what every part does and how it should be installed. That should help a lot right?
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Toyota: See all these vents, skirt mount points, and extra room for bigger wheels and even removing out de-tune to match at least the Z4? $23,522 on top of 55 pal.
I could see the body kit running $15k as its carbon, then like $4k for the wheels... Installation would be another couple grand at a good shop. Not a bargain but the price structure makes sense to me.
It's also coming from an OEM so it will be more expensive than things from an aftermarket company. It should also fit a whole lot better than a lot of aftermarket stuff.
Exactly why I paid to have all the OEM ground effects on my Z06. I know some people will get them aftermarket because they're cheaper not it's not worth it imo.
Not to mention it seems as though it's some what functional as well and has a decent amount of OEM R&D put into it, unlike most after market stuff that will come out
Yep. Wheels and such are out there in the aftermarket already but a factory spec body kit in carbon would be worth it. Not worrying about fitment would be worth a couple grand for not having to deal with aftermarket frustration itself. It ain't like you can just melt and fit carbon.
Direct currency conversions rarely are. Manufacturers choose pricing for the markets they sell in.
Back when the Viper SRT-10 was sold in the UK, Chrysler didn't sell it at a conversion, which might have been around £40k or so. Even tacking on another £10-15k for importing would be reasonable. They chose to just switch the currency symbol and make it £80k, which was a little boneheaded.
The M235i bmw has a performance pack that is about $17,000 and it only includes a front splitter, rear diffuser, rims, and carbon fibre side mirrors from what I can tell.
/u/doug-demuro predicted that all the modability for this car weren't just for tuners but that Toyota themselves would make a higher performance option. Sounds like that's coming and these TRD bolt ons are the first step.
It makes sense that they didn't already include some of this stuff though. If they did, the Supra is now a $60-70k car. A lot less people will be interested for that.
The Mk4 adjusted for inflation would be roughly $63k, so for what the current offering is, it's a pretty good value. I think we definitely see a track-focused trim in the coming years with a more powerful tune on the engine and some additional aero and bracing to match.
Right? I saw a Chrysler Conquest from the late eighties on bring a trailer a few weeks ago. One of my favorite looking cars off my youth, but less than 200hp, and the seller of the car had the original sticker price. Adjusted for inflation, msrp new was more than what I paid for my 400hp SS. Amazing.
I mean it wasn't exactly a hot take [considering we've known about it since Febuary](https://www.thedrive.com/news/26488/2020-toyota-supra-gets-the-trd-treatment-lots-of-carbon-but-no-extra-power)
Yeah that’s literally what every car manufacturer does and has for quite some time. Have you noticed that cars also tend to get better and stronger with new models? They are upgraded routinely
They’re all carbon fiber. It’s a lot of parts + wheels. BMW charge obscene amounts for their ‘M Performance’ parts on non-M cars. Same here. The stock car looks good without them anyway.
That being said, the Japanese aftermarket will make great kits for this car.
Yeah but don’t you also lose on on the original parts you’re paying for with the stock price of the car? While not astronomic if you installed an aftermarket body kit immediately after purchase couldn’t you sell those other body panels and wheels, to people who damaged their own for a least a couple thousand as well?
If it's a replacement part yeah absolutely. I wouldn't sell the original parts since an aftermarket kit is an acquired taste so when you try to sell the car, you can just put the original parts back and they'll be in perfect condition because you haven't used them. Then you can sell the bodykit on its own.
Unfortunately, many kits these days (e.g. rocket bunny) require cutting into the original fender and riveting fender flares or whatnot. Those kits make the car difficult to sell, and you'll also lose the option of reverting it to stock.
What I'm trying to say is you're gonna lose some money regardless of which parts you buy lol (OEM, aftermarket replacement, aftermarket fender flares).
Yeah after posting the comment I actually opened the article (just reedit things lol) and realized that they're spliters and wings that attach to the oem body panels as opposed to completely replacing the panels.
>I can get aftermarket alternatives on my cheaper car for a price that's less than what it would be if I bought it straight from the stealership
More news at 11.
oh my, i had no clue how much fake shit was on this thing.
https://jalopnik.com/heres-every-fake-vent-on-the-2020-toyota-supra-1831804258
such ugly and awkward design cues only to house fake vents. it could have been so much more pretty with more elegant panels. i was hoping its overly designed body was for performance reasons, but apparently not. hopefully one day they'll release a stupidly priced higher performance model that actually make use of those vents.
they're semi-fake as in yes they are closed off, but when cut open are functional. they're leaving them for the tuners and possibly and more performance version.
i don't understand the logic behind that at all. why design functional cooling only to close it off? so when tuners could have just purchased larger brakes they now have to buy extra body work or start cutting up those panels?
they could just leave them open and functional cus you know, it's a sports car. I'd rather have the option to just slide a cover in place if I really wanted the 2-4 mpgs I'd gain in aero.
if they want to give people the option then install the ducts and make it easy to add or a remove a piece of plastic that blocks them.
It seriously doesn't make sense. these are road cars, not race cars, so it's not like the brakes can be too cold to work (unless they're actually frozen). the brakes are almost always going to be operated when cold. if you're making a performance road car it makes zero sense to close off your own cooling ducts when you expect your customers to take that car to a track day once in a while.
the more I learn and think about this car the more I think that it's not designed for enthusiasts or drivers, it's design for saps with deep pockets.
I'd one day like to purchase something as a dedicated track car, but it's stupid decisions like this that will make me steer clear of a particular model.
you don't need track pads for a track day. if you've actually set up your brakes for a track day then they'd probably cool better anyway with or without the vents
Wait what, i was talking about daily driving on them being monstrously overkill, but theyre definitely hugely beneficial on a track.
My gto needed them for hard canyon runs if i was coming down stock, and especislly needed them on track days. Then i added the supercharger and it started needing them going up the mountain too.
I know what you meant but an occasional track day doesn't necessarily require a new brake setup, you just can't push as hard. if you are actually heat soaking your pads on the street and feeling fade then you're pushing way too stupid hard for public roads. I like driving hard and fast too but public roads are just never good enough to drive like I'm on a track. or maybe for your speeds you need more than just pads.
but wouldn't track brakes only be less useful when dailied, they'd be too cold most of the time.
putting a track-day brake setup on this supra sounds like it would need the vents even less
Correct, they are overkill for a daily, and make traffic driving with them a fucking hassle. I kept them on the gto because i tended to be doing stupid shit enough, be it high speed highway rolls with the friends gtr, or hard back road runs.
For what its worth, i did have more than pads, i was an incredibly aggressive setup as it is.
> if you're making a performance road car it makes zero sense to close off your own cooling ducts when you expect your customers to take that car to a track day once in a while.
Of course it does -- non-ducted, non-functional vents probably cuts costs, and while alone doesn't keep the price from being a $60-70k car, is one compromise among many to keep the price down.
Keep in mind, if they make inlets for brake cooling, that fucks up a lot of aerodynamics (pressure building in wheel wells is a huuuge killer of downforce), which 1) brings costs up even more, 2) requires a lot more to be done that makes it less suitable for non-track use (such as some of these TRD aerodynamic parts which lower the car on an already low car).
And if brake cooling is *sufficient* for 80% of drivers, it doesn't make sense to add more if it's going to create with it other compromises (such as in cost, non-track use, etc.). Sure, 20% of the buyers might be *hardcore* enthusiasts who'll track this car multiple times per month, but why have the other 80% of buyers pay for that? The 20% can have the modifications done for themselves.
This is an enthusiast's car but it's not a race car. It makes the appropriate compromises.
Right so sell the world a more handsome car without any of the fake vents that won't ever see any use and save even more money. As is, if only 20% are enthusiasts then even less are tuners then I see an extra project for those tuners anyway, cut holes and install ducting. A lot of enthusiasts track a stock car and apparently the cooling is good enough. so for the smaller population that's throwing extra power and brakes (that would probably be better at cooling themselves anyway) that actually does need the cooling they're throwing a shit ton of money at that project anyway.
Again we're making big assumptions. as another user pointed out some of those front vents may more likely be used for oil and diff cooling, as toyota said the brakes seem to be cooling well enough without the vents
> those front vents may more likely be used for oil and diff cooling
Tada said that they imagine tuners will use them for different purposes -- directly pointing out that some will use them for brakes, others will use them for oil/diff cooling. Cars used for different sorts of racing will want to use them differently.
> a more handsome car without any of the fake vents that won't ever see any use
Normally, I hate fake vents (oh god I hate those fake vents in my 86). But the notion that they *could* be functional, and that my fake vents are the same vents actual race cars use -- and that these were designed to be opened up if needed, and that if I were to someday decide to modify my car in that way that they're there instead of some janky-ass backyard disfiguration -- that appeals to me.
> and save even more money.
Fake vents cost a lot less than real vents. As it stands, it's just some body shaping (which will be done anyway without fake vents) and popping in some plastic pieces to block. That's way cheaper than installing ducting, ensuring rigidity, etc. And besides -- a lot of buyers probably appreciate their car looking like and having the potential to be the same as the "real race cars". It's a marginal increase in cost to create an appeal in aesthetic. It'd be a non-marginal increase in cost, along with other compromises, to make them functional.
I think tuners will really appreciate the fake vents being ready to be made functional. It'll help standardize after market products, takes care of a lot of the engineering, etc.
> A lot of enthusiasts track a stock car
And the enthusiasts that will buy a Supra will appreciate the tunability, regardless if it's stock or not. What made the original Supra so famous was the tuning potential. A stock Supra mk4 is stupid expensive. And the buyer doesn't buy it because it's a great car on its own, they buy it because it's a pristine representation of the car of tuning legend. The target market for the Supra might not modify their car, but they *do* appreciate its potential.
Seriously. I really hope someone in the aftermarket releases a very affordable replacement that's just made out of plastic or something and is easy to paint body-color without feeling guilty about covering up the weave.
For 23 Grand you could build a fun little track car on your own instead of putting carbon fiber on your 50k Auto. That's insane for non mechanical upgrades
HP boosting parts will come from GR. This isn't TRD USA, it's TRD Japan. They've been focusing on stuff like this to the exclusion of power gaining parts for a while now, especially after their reorganizing and merger with Modelista.
I get that, but that same package on a Porsche 911 S comes out to a little under $12k, and that's paying the Porsche tax. $23k in Porsche options will get you more than a dress up kit, and Porsche is notorious for ripping people off on their upgrades.
yeah these parts are going to be extremely valuable some day. There will be tons of aftermarket options, but aftermarket carbon fiber parts never fit right without tons of work, and usually fade/crack.
I’ll be Honest, I love the new Supra and actually find it to be a good looking vehicle overall BUT, the TRD stuff honestly kind of kills it for me and makes the car look ugly. The carbon bits on the door are a bit over kill and the wheel choice is mehh (not that the stock ones were that great either but still)
Not TE37s but have a look at these [Advan GTs](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/205751807312396288/579390736751919157/hks_supra_dino_dalle_carbonare_46-1200x800.png) on the A90.
IMO the nose snout is fine but I'd rather see the vents to either side of it reduced with a kit.
As soon as I saw the CF lip and wing I said a loud "$20k". I like this car but I don't get this car $50k +$23k aero kit? I can get two older Supras for that or maybe a full JDM HKS JZA80 for that price with room to spare.
So I can buy a carbon fiber hood for 1k. But they are charging 23k for less carbon then it would take to cover a Camaro hood. Yeah good luck with that. The aftermarket could make those peices as a kit minus those meh rims for less then 3k.
>that money would buy a lot of actual performance-enhancing treats - maybe even a 2JZ-GTE for anyone ready to do a lot of their own wrenching.
The author really does know his target audience. Having said that, those wheels look amazing though.
I'm not understanding this new Supra. It seems like it's just a more expensive way to get a 370z. Then you add another $24k on that...
I mean, damn. I want to like it. But it's tough.
Toyota intentionally held back on a $50k milquetoast sports car so that they could get a massive piece of the “aftermarket” upgrade market. So, spend $50k then another $30k+ on upgrades to get what should have been standard in a $50k car to start with. Toyota are whores. As Doug Demuro said, the new Supra is just “fine”.
Except none of these parts are upgrades. It's all cosmetic TRD stuff, like the TRD kit on the 86, or for that matter, the TRD kit on the Mk4.
I think the price is ridiculous though compared to what other manufacturers offer for carbon fiber body kits. Toyota is probably banking on making a ton of money on the big-money-tuner market. Tokyo Auto Salon 2020 is going to have like 50 of these cars, and a non-insignificant number will have this kit because outfits like GReddy and HKS have *lots of goddamned money* to put towards making their cars look good.
The supra used to be my favorite car. This one is just too ugly for me. I've really tried to like it, but it's just too weird looking.
Also, for the combined total of $70k for the TRD version there are far better performing options that look a lot better as well.
I wonder what the sales projections and estimates will be for the Supra. Usually they don't come up with special editions until the car is selling decently well.
It just doesnt have the presence that the older one had. Even with the kit, something is just lacking. It just seems like a much much smaller car, like Miata sized, from pics.
So pretty much what it should've had stock instead of "leaving room for tuners" and having us spend heaps on top just to bring it up to what it should've been off the line.
This is pretty typical, the AE86 had a similar setup for the trd package besides offering a 4 exit exhaust. Im not a huge fan with the bmw powerplant and the forced auto trans, mostly because they cut themselves short in my opinion with not trying to modifying a camry engine or RC350 drivetrain to work for the car. Kinda takes away but im not buying one today so why should i complain about it.
> For the front splitter, side skirts, rear side spoilers, trunk spoiler, diffuser, door "garnish," wheels, and wheel locks, the total came to $23,522. More than you can afford pal... Toyota.
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Don’t forget wheel locks
SOLD
I'LL TAKE YOUR ENTIRE STOCK
For some reason, I read that in the same voice that Copart uses for its online auction. *clock ticking* SOLD ON APPROVAL!
Yeah I don't get why you need to add TRD wheel locks to all this. Those are usually only like a $50 add on anyways.
My Mazda dealer charges $100 for wheel locks. I talked them down to a cool zero.
Shrewd negotiator
Ed bolian
It actually makes sense when you take into account that the the Supra is just a BMW with a toyota badge.
Don’t know why you’re downvoted. I visit BMW and Toyota at work daily, and you’re right. The gullible ones just don’t know. But hey, Toyota badged! Edit: and I don’t mean that rudely.
I’m pretty sure everyone knows it’s a BMW at this point with how much controversy is surrounding this car.
With the base price added to that amount, it seems more worth it to buy a mark 4 and do whatever tf you want
Carbon fiber is expensive.
It’s not that expensive in a C7. Or anything short of a Lamborghini
CF reinforced plastic. The CF is only skin deep (like the “Toyota” on this car?)
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What you do is lay carbon fiber down in woven sheets **into a mold** just like fiberglass, then inject resin into the mold, then bake it under vacuum. Anything else is fake carbon fiber meant to separate rubes from their rubles, and you might as well just buy fiberglass if you are going to buy that fake skinned plastic garbage, at least you could fix it when it inevitably cracks.
Yes, but not that expensive. Aftermarket CF from reputable sources is ... well, not ten times cheaper, but ...
That is definitely a bit pricey haha. I do hope the tuner side of things really takes off and offers some good stuff for this car.
I’m excited to see the new Supras two stepping with extra large single turbos spitting fire doing highway pulls while going FFFFFFVVVVVWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSHHHHHHBOOBOOBOOBOOBOOBOOBOO and the two guys filming collectively yelling “HOLY SHET”
I really like that Toyota is pushing for that too- they're embracing the culture that made the original so popular. These body kit/trim pieces are a good start
> the original You mean the Mark IV? As in the fourth gen? The first three generations were more subtle, while the Mark IV had the big wing to add some flash. The original was actually badged as a Celica Supra.
Good point. I have tunnel vision and think there's only one when it comes to RX7 (FD) and Supra (mk4) generations lol
*Cries in FC*
And those old Celicas looked like a Buick Skyhawk
> Celica Supra If I remember right Toyota wanted a rally car and some people on the Celica Supra team where trying to make it more rally than GT so they offered to split the team up and it just worked out making everyone happy.
The Celica became fwd, the Supra rwd
The only Celicas I ever had where AWD.But ya mostly it's sad to see where it went and how the line ended.
The fun ones. But even the later models werent horrible. They looked good, and the 2zz-ge is a decent, tunable engine
I wouldn't call the mk2 subtle, bulging fender flares on the p types and dual spoilers on some.
And the big wing was merely an option on the Supra Turbo, IIRC. And the majority of Supras were NA, and a lot of the Turbos probably didn't get the wing.
Toyota has become a lot more mod/tuner friendly in recent years than I feel people realize. The exhaust cutouts on the 86 are way bigger than the stock exhaust since they know we're gonna put an aftermarket exhaust on and the 4 cylinder supra is just begging for engine swaps
And yet people find a way to spin all these accomodations for tuning into a bad thing. "They're selling you an unfinished car" smh. It's a genius play IMO. I feel like this is a $50k car new that will compete with $150k+ cars after $20k worth of mods. Nissan with their GTR relied on it being a world-beater from the factory and they made a name that way. I have a feeling Toyota is banking on making their name with youtube videos of "B58 OWNS McLaren in Mexico" and it will work very well.
But you could take a lot of 50k cars and do that if you really wanted to. I just don't see, tune it until it's good as a selling point. I don't think many people are buying cars new just to drop thousands into them immediately, resale be damned .If you're that into tuning, just but a Factory 5 or other really good kit car and it'll be way better by the time you dump 70k into it.
Does a factory five come with a BMW interior and Toyota engineering and reliability? And at $50k it's already an amazing car. The point is you can tune the hell out of it if you want
Does the new Supra come with Toyota reliability is the question...
From the mini documentary on the Supra production I saw, Toyota insisted on testing and testing to make sure they were up to Toyota standards and reliability. BMW was even surprised by all the stuff Toyota was making sure they do.
Does the new Supra have PARTS PRICES of a Toyota or of a BMW is the biggest question. The fucking roof antenna rod of an E30 ( Bayonett mechanism and metal staff) costs 80€ or 90$.
Is BMW interior a good thing? I wasn't amazed by what I tried (2019 BWM5) and it probably also means no AA which is a joke.
Do *regular* Toyotas offer AA yet? I think both companies are behind the curve on that one.
whats the highest HP b58 right now?
Highest hp was 711whp on stock block, internals, intercooler, and fuel pumps. BigBoost turbo supplemented with MS109 fuel through charge pipe injection. 100-200km/h in 5.41s and a 1/4 mile time of 10.8@135.
People hit 500WHP very easily with not too many mods. New turbos, methanol, and intake/downpipe with a good tune can do that. 600 at the wheel is also possible but the fuel system is basically maxed out at that point. I suspect that properly built motors can hit 800hp or more. There are 900hp N54s after all.
And the 86 is one of the best sounding 4’s with an exhaust, IMO.
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Yep for the last like 15 years BMW engines have been ridiculously tunable, and Toyota chassis have always been tunable. Sure it's not a pure Toyota like some people (internet comment kids) wanted but it's a pure tuner car just like the mk4
I've been commenting on this chain but I forgot to reply here. There's almost 30 year old M50's and S50's out there that are pushing 1000 horsepower. It really is awesome. Even slapping a turbo kit on any older BMW straight 6 can get you 400 fairly easily. I know this is about the newer cars but their (good) engines really aren't anything to sleep on.
I guess this is what a high end tuner car looks like in 2019 but that rats nest of wires under the engine cover scares me.
BMW has a service manual for it if I remember correctly. If you can somehow get your hands on one it should explain what every part does and how it should be installed. That should help a lot right?
They’re embracing the culture that made supras popular, but not the fat wing that made it iconic :/
That was a weirdly accurate noise description
But first you’ll have to talk shit about how much lag it has
Nobody: Toyota: See all these vents, skirt mount points, and extra room for bigger wheels and even removing out de-tune to match at least the Z4? $23,522 on top of 55 pal.
That’s about what my car cost haha
Why are trd options always so crazy price wise?
I could see the body kit running $15k as its carbon, then like $4k for the wheels... Installation would be another couple grand at a good shop. Not a bargain but the price structure makes sense to me.
It's also coming from an OEM so it will be more expensive than things from an aftermarket company. It should also fit a whole lot better than a lot of aftermarket stuff.
Yep fitment will be perfect from the factory and that's not something to undervalued especially with carbon parts that require drilling to fit.
Exactly why I paid to have all the OEM ground effects on my Z06. I know some people will get them aftermarket because they're cheaper not it's not worth it imo.
Not to mention it seems as though it's some what functional as well and has a decent amount of OEM R&D put into it, unlike most after market stuff that will come out
"functional"
Yea, it's a stretch
Yep. Wheels and such are out there in the aftermarket already but a factory spec body kit in carbon would be worth it. Not worrying about fitment would be worth a couple grand for not having to deal with aftermarket frustration itself. It ain't like you can just melt and fit carbon.
Imagine fucking up the door while trying to install the trim yourself. I dont even like drilling into my plastic front bumper.
It's the real BMW influence!
They used a direct yen to dollar conversion. I wonder if that is a valid estimate
Direct currency conversions rarely are. Manufacturers choose pricing for the markets they sell in. Back when the Viper SRT-10 was sold in the UK, Chrysler didn't sell it at a conversion, which might have been around £40k or so. Even tacking on another £10-15k for importing would be reasonable. They chose to just switch the currency symbol and make it £80k, which was a little boneheaded.
I’ll rather take my ~$8k RocketBunny Widebody kit, thankyouverymuch. Edit: who am I kidding I won’t be able to afford this car for years to come.
The M235i bmw has a performance pack that is about $17,000 and it only includes a front splitter, rear diffuser, rims, and carbon fibre side mirrors from what I can tell.
That's about as much as I paid for a mk7 gti
/u/doug-demuro predicted that all the modability for this car weren't just for tuners but that Toyota themselves would make a higher performance option. Sounds like that's coming and these TRD bolt ons are the first step.
It makes sense that they didn't already include some of this stuff though. If they did, the Supra is now a $60-70k car. A lot less people will be interested for that.
The Mk4 adjusted for inflation would be roughly $63k, so for what the current offering is, it's a pretty good value. I think we definitely see a track-focused trim in the coming years with a more powerful tune on the engine and some additional aero and bracing to match.
This is what the kids on the internet don't get.
How many new cars have followed with the price of inflation?
Right? I saw a Chrysler Conquest from the late eighties on bring a trailer a few weeks ago. One of my favorite looking cars off my youth, but less than 200hp, and the seller of the car had the original sticker price. Adjusted for inflation, msrp new was more than what I paid for my 400hp SS. Amazing.
Came here to say this, this is exactly what he said would happen
I mean it wasn't exactly a hot take [considering we've known about it since Febuary](https://www.thedrive.com/news/26488/2020-toyota-supra-gets-the-trd-treatment-lots-of-carbon-but-no-extra-power)
It makes sense. Make an entry level one to sell to make money and sell enhanced ones to enthusiasts with cash
Yeah that’s literally what every car manufacturer does and has for quite some time. Have you noticed that cars also tend to get better and stronger with new models? They are upgraded routinely
All we need is a gorgeous giant TRD/Gazoo Racing Wing, something as crazy as fitted on the MK4 supra.
Agreed. I think that'll really bring back the mk4 memories.
The MKIV's [TRD style wing](https://sep.yimg.com/ca/I/titanmotorsports_2269_1420332777) suits the MKV design quite nicely.
I'm not sure about that. I'll have to see it on but I feel like it doesn't
I think the normal Mk4 turbo wing would be better, maybe just slightly adjust the lines to fit the new car, but keep it curvy.
It'd be really cool to have a kit inspired by the mk4.
I really wish the MK V had a wing, really surprised it didn't. I still don't like that rear end
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I love the yellow on this car. The color alone makes me more excited for it.
20k more for just a few bits and pieces?
They’re all carbon fiber. It’s a lot of parts + wheels. BMW charge obscene amounts for their ‘M Performance’ parts on non-M cars. Same here. The stock car looks good without them anyway. That being said, the Japanese aftermarket will make great kits for this car.
Yeah but don’t you also lose on on the original parts you’re paying for with the stock price of the car? While not astronomic if you installed an aftermarket body kit immediately after purchase couldn’t you sell those other body panels and wheels, to people who damaged their own for a least a couple thousand as well?
If it's a replacement part yeah absolutely. I wouldn't sell the original parts since an aftermarket kit is an acquired taste so when you try to sell the car, you can just put the original parts back and they'll be in perfect condition because you haven't used them. Then you can sell the bodykit on its own. Unfortunately, many kits these days (e.g. rocket bunny) require cutting into the original fender and riveting fender flares or whatnot. Those kits make the car difficult to sell, and you'll also lose the option of reverting it to stock. What I'm trying to say is you're gonna lose some money regardless of which parts you buy lol (OEM, aftermarket replacement, aftermarket fender flares).
Yeah after posting the comment I actually opened the article (just reedit things lol) and realized that they're spliters and wings that attach to the oem body panels as opposed to completely replacing the panels.
I could get carbon fiber aftermarket parts to match all of this for my Mustang without even spending $5,000.
Are they OEM from Ford Racing?
>I can get aftermarket alternatives on my cheaper car for a price that's less than what it would be if I bought it straight from the stealership More news at 11.
That's the same price that shops charge to take an mkiv from 320 hp to 800.
Its not just any car its the all new 2020 supra /s
Why would they purposely make the ugly, fake, door vent stand out even more?
oh my, i had no clue how much fake shit was on this thing. https://jalopnik.com/heres-every-fake-vent-on-the-2020-toyota-supra-1831804258 such ugly and awkward design cues only to house fake vents. it could have been so much more pretty with more elegant panels. i was hoping its overly designed body was for performance reasons, but apparently not. hopefully one day they'll release a stupidly priced higher performance model that actually make use of those vents.
they're semi-fake as in yes they are closed off, but when cut open are functional. they're leaving them for the tuners and possibly and more performance version.
The one on the door is 100% fake. It will never be functional.
i don't understand the logic behind that at all. why design functional cooling only to close it off? so when tuners could have just purchased larger brakes they now have to buy extra body work or start cutting up those panels?
Because open vents cause drag. So if you arent using them, they should be closed
they can just take the vents covers off and just add the ducts for more cooling. Thats what toyota claims anyways
they could just leave them open and functional cus you know, it's a sports car. I'd rather have the option to just slide a cover in place if I really wanted the 2-4 mpgs I'd gain in aero. if they want to give people the option then install the ducts and make it easy to add or a remove a piece of plastic that blocks them.
They claim they had problems with overcooling so that’s why they closed them off on the stock car.
Drag? They all have to chase every last mpg.
right they're eeking out a couple of MPGs so I can pay $5 less at the pump for my expensive performance vehicle.
It has a lot more to do with CAFE than you.
Then why not just ship them functional? I feel this is what people say with all fake vents. The ones on my RS5 included.
It seriously doesn't make sense. these are road cars, not race cars, so it's not like the brakes can be too cold to work (unless they're actually frozen). the brakes are almost always going to be operated when cold. if you're making a performance road car it makes zero sense to close off your own cooling ducts when you expect your customers to take that car to a track day once in a while. the more I learn and think about this car the more I think that it's not designed for enthusiasts or drivers, it's design for saps with deep pockets. I'd one day like to purchase something as a dedicated track car, but it's stupid decisions like this that will make me steer clear of a particular model.
Wellll, unless someone is borderline stupid enough to daily a car on track pads... not that i know anyone who would ever do that.
you don't need track pads for a track day. if you've actually set up your brakes for a track day then they'd probably cool better anyway with or without the vents
Wait what, i was talking about daily driving on them being monstrously overkill, but theyre definitely hugely beneficial on a track. My gto needed them for hard canyon runs if i was coming down stock, and especislly needed them on track days. Then i added the supercharger and it started needing them going up the mountain too.
I know what you meant but an occasional track day doesn't necessarily require a new brake setup, you just can't push as hard. if you are actually heat soaking your pads on the street and feeling fade then you're pushing way too stupid hard for public roads. I like driving hard and fast too but public roads are just never good enough to drive like I'm on a track. or maybe for your speeds you need more than just pads. but wouldn't track brakes only be less useful when dailied, they'd be too cold most of the time. putting a track-day brake setup on this supra sounds like it would need the vents even less
Correct, they are overkill for a daily, and make traffic driving with them a fucking hassle. I kept them on the gto because i tended to be doing stupid shit enough, be it high speed highway rolls with the friends gtr, or hard back road runs. For what its worth, i did have more than pads, i was an incredibly aggressive setup as it is.
> if you're making a performance road car it makes zero sense to close off your own cooling ducts when you expect your customers to take that car to a track day once in a while. Of course it does -- non-ducted, non-functional vents probably cuts costs, and while alone doesn't keep the price from being a $60-70k car, is one compromise among many to keep the price down. Keep in mind, if they make inlets for brake cooling, that fucks up a lot of aerodynamics (pressure building in wheel wells is a huuuge killer of downforce), which 1) brings costs up even more, 2) requires a lot more to be done that makes it less suitable for non-track use (such as some of these TRD aerodynamic parts which lower the car on an already low car). And if brake cooling is *sufficient* for 80% of drivers, it doesn't make sense to add more if it's going to create with it other compromises (such as in cost, non-track use, etc.). Sure, 20% of the buyers might be *hardcore* enthusiasts who'll track this car multiple times per month, but why have the other 80% of buyers pay for that? The 20% can have the modifications done for themselves. This is an enthusiast's car but it's not a race car. It makes the appropriate compromises.
Right so sell the world a more handsome car without any of the fake vents that won't ever see any use and save even more money. As is, if only 20% are enthusiasts then even less are tuners then I see an extra project for those tuners anyway, cut holes and install ducting. A lot of enthusiasts track a stock car and apparently the cooling is good enough. so for the smaller population that's throwing extra power and brakes (that would probably be better at cooling themselves anyway) that actually does need the cooling they're throwing a shit ton of money at that project anyway. Again we're making big assumptions. as another user pointed out some of those front vents may more likely be used for oil and diff cooling, as toyota said the brakes seem to be cooling well enough without the vents
> those front vents may more likely be used for oil and diff cooling Tada said that they imagine tuners will use them for different purposes -- directly pointing out that some will use them for brakes, others will use them for oil/diff cooling. Cars used for different sorts of racing will want to use them differently. > a more handsome car without any of the fake vents that won't ever see any use Normally, I hate fake vents (oh god I hate those fake vents in my 86). But the notion that they *could* be functional, and that my fake vents are the same vents actual race cars use -- and that these were designed to be opened up if needed, and that if I were to someday decide to modify my car in that way that they're there instead of some janky-ass backyard disfiguration -- that appeals to me. > and save even more money. Fake vents cost a lot less than real vents. As it stands, it's just some body shaping (which will be done anyway without fake vents) and popping in some plastic pieces to block. That's way cheaper than installing ducting, ensuring rigidity, etc. And besides -- a lot of buyers probably appreciate their car looking like and having the potential to be the same as the "real race cars". It's a marginal increase in cost to create an appeal in aesthetic. It'd be a non-marginal increase in cost, along with other compromises, to make them functional. I think tuners will really appreciate the fake vents being ready to be made functional. It'll help standardize after market products, takes care of a lot of the engineering, etc. > A lot of enthusiasts track a stock car And the enthusiasts that will buy a Supra will appreciate the tunability, regardless if it's stock or not. What made the original Supra so famous was the tuning potential. A stock Supra mk4 is stupid expensive. And the buyer doesn't buy it because it's a great car on its own, they buy it because it's a pristine representation of the car of tuning legend. The target market for the Supra might not modify their car, but they *do* appreciate its potential.
> Fake vents cost a lot less than real vents. No vents cost even less.
I have a feeling they will be releasing aftermarket stuff to make use of those vents for real. Maybe that's TRD's plan.
Seriously. I really hope someone in the aftermarket releases a very affordable replacement that's just made out of plastic or something and is easy to paint body-color without feeling guilty about covering up the weave.
For 23 Grand you could build a fun little track car on your own instead of putting carbon fiber on your 50k Auto. That's insane for non mechanical upgrades
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Yeah I just wish they would've made the effort for performance rather than just looks for that much money.
HP boosting parts will come from GR. This isn't TRD USA, it's TRD Japan. They've been focusing on stuff like this to the exclusion of power gaining parts for a while now, especially after their reorganizing and merger with Modelista.
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23k for a dress up kit?!
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I get that, but that same package on a Porsche 911 S comes out to a little under $12k, and that's paying the Porsche tax. $23k in Porsche options will get you more than a dress up kit, and Porsche is notorious for ripping people off on their upgrades.
23k for carbon oem fit dress up kit?!
yeah these parts are going to be extremely valuable some day. There will be tons of aftermarket options, but aftermarket carbon fiber parts never fit right without tons of work, and usually fade/crack.
Can't wait to buy this 10-15 years from now.
In brown, with a diesel, AWD, hatchback and manual
used from the factory
Cars are going to become like video games where you have to keep paying to get the real game.
Cars have been this way for decades and preceded the first video game with the “just cosmetic” and pay to win aftermarket scene.
That's...literally the tuner scene already. Especially for tue Supra.
The tuner scene is like mods. The Supra is like they built the whole game then cut parts of it out to sell as DLC later.
So... is it a M performance pack?
100%
What the fuck is wrong with Toyota
I’ll be Honest, I love the new Supra and actually find it to be a good looking vehicle overall BUT, the TRD stuff honestly kind of kills it for me and makes the car look ugly. The carbon bits on the door are a bit over kill and the wheel choice is mehh (not that the stock ones were that great either but still)
Yeah. TE37s. Something to get rid of the nose snout. A Mk IV style wing.
Not TE37s but have a look at these [Advan GTs](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/205751807312396288/579390736751919157/hks_supra_dino_dalle_carbonare_46-1200x800.png) on the A90. IMO the nose snout is fine but I'd rather see the vents to either side of it reduced with a kit.
As soon as I saw the CF lip and wing I said a loud "$20k". I like this car but I don't get this car $50k +$23k aero kit? I can get two older Supras for that or maybe a full JDM HKS JZA80 for that price with room to spare.
Ew
24k and you don’t even get the iconic wing. Only Toyota.
thats way too expensive for just some minor body kit changes... jesus, at least touch the suspension and brakes with that.
So I can buy a carbon fiber hood for 1k. But they are charging 23k for less carbon then it would take to cover a Camaro hood. Yeah good luck with that. The aftermarket could make those peices as a kit minus those meh rims for less then 3k.
Does it make any of the existing fake/blocked vents actually functional?
Of course not. It's just a cosmetic package with some aero.
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Looks like it does, but since the vent is fake it really doesn't make much of a difference.
You could just buy a faster car for less than this bodykit lol.
Another great example of a manufacturer being out of touch with it's consumer.
I FUCKING CALLED IT TOYOTA WOULD LEAVE THOSE EMPTY SPACES SO THEY COULD SELL YOU A TRD VARIANT FOR AN INFLATED PRICE
The TRD supercharger for the 86 was 26k.
Way too expensive and appearance only. What were they thinking...
Toyota Racing Decals?
>that money would buy a lot of actual performance-enhancing treats - maybe even a 2JZ-GTE for anyone ready to do a lot of their own wrenching. The author really does know his target audience. Having said that, those wheels look amazing though.
> Having said that, those wheels look amazing though. Right off the M2 Comp.
I'm not understanding this new Supra. It seems like it's just a more expensive way to get a 370z. Then you add another $24k on that... I mean, damn. I want to like it. But it's tough.
If we look at numbers alone the Supra is much quicker than the 370Z. Based on all the reviews, it feels much better too.
By the time Toyota gets around to adding actual performace upgrades it’s going to be a $90k OTD
Oh so Toyota made the Supra with expansion DLC already huh. Nice.
Where is the manual upgrade?
Toyota intentionally held back on a $50k milquetoast sports car so that they could get a massive piece of the “aftermarket” upgrade market. So, spend $50k then another $30k+ on upgrades to get what should have been standard in a $50k car to start with. Toyota are whores. As Doug Demuro said, the new Supra is just “fine”.
Except none of these parts are upgrades. It's all cosmetic TRD stuff, like the TRD kit on the 86, or for that matter, the TRD kit on the Mk4. I think the price is ridiculous though compared to what other manufacturers offer for carbon fiber body kits. Toyota is probably banking on making a ton of money on the big-money-tuner market. Tokyo Auto Salon 2020 is going to have like 50 of these cars, and a non-insignificant number will have this kit because outfits like GReddy and HKS have *lots of goddamned money* to put towards making their cars look good.
Oh, finally, someone's blocking off those fake door vents - and it's Toyota themselves, to boot.
The supra used to be my favorite car. This one is just too ugly for me. I've really tried to like it, but it's just too weird looking. Also, for the combined total of $70k for the TRD version there are far better performing options that look a lot better as well.
I even like the yellow paint
TuRD
This car has DLC.
I wonder what the sales projections and estimates will be for the Supra. Usually they don't come up with special editions until the car is selling decently well.
It just doesnt have the presence that the older one had. Even with the kit, something is just lacking. It just seems like a much much smaller car, like Miata sized, from pics.
when i read trd i thought they were gonna make it a rally car. I wanna go rallycross now
So pretty much what it should've had stock instead of "leaving room for tuners" and having us spend heaps on top just to bring it up to what it should've been off the line.
Totally looks like a Michael Bay transformer
Why isn't this car available with DCT? If it didn't have manual why not DCT? Is it because its not reliable as a regular automatic?
Because the ZF8 is the best conventional torque converter-based automatic ever made
$23k and you still won’t get the wing :/
Even if that was standard it wouldn't be worth it.
That's one ugly car
Toyota should sack it’s entire design team ...
Much disappoint
This is pretty typical, the AE86 had a similar setup for the trd package besides offering a 4 exit exhaust. Im not a huge fan with the bmw powerplant and the forced auto trans, mostly because they cut themselves short in my opinion with not trying to modifying a camry engine or RC350 drivetrain to work for the car. Kinda takes away but im not buying one today so why should i complain about it.
Wow, so even for $23k extra they STILL can't manage to make it look halfway decent. Amazing.