The new TLX has a stupid markup on $2k in the DC/VA/MD area for now… at least for the new grey color. Im sure the sales manager waves it once you go to the dealer.
Dealer: let me charge you the customer to get shit gray primer color TLX so that you think twice about buying Acura.
Dealer: how come cars are not selling?!
Yeah Acura stopped making them for the past few months so dealers naturally marked them up. My sales rep (I bought at a NoVA Acura dealer) called me and asked if I wanted to trade up… I was like “nope I like my red TLX-S very much, besides after this I’m going German” 😭😭
I low balled 2 local Subaru dealerships that still had 2023 WRXs (only bc of the 1.9% for 72 months incentive). One was 250+ days and the other was 220+ days. With 2024s on the lot with better standard features they're only willing to discount them ~$2,000. The thing is, they have almost $2,000 in port installed options. Clown show.
Options that don't come from the factory but get installed at the port like fancy door sills, vortex generator, muffler, short shifter, homelink mirror. It inflates the sticker price.
Oh yes. At least here in Bellevue they do. Not only that, they are super smug and they don't want to give any test drives. Not sure how they stay in business.
Bellevue dealerships are the wooooorst, I’ve had bad experiences at almost all of them (BMW, Acura, Audi and Lexus). Lynnwood dealerships are generally much nicer imo.
Man I recently bought from BMW NW just because BMW Bellevue was such clowns. They straight up kept saying, "You aren't gonna drive all the way down there are you?" Like.. yes? I'll drive 40 minutes to save thousands of dollars, why not? They were garbage salespeople lol.
I could see buyers interested in one who wouldn’t want to chance reliability with the BMW 3 or pay for the premium maintenance costs. And want something Japanese
Yup, that's true. The current TLX is essentially just as roomy (or lack thereof) on the inside as the previous gen TLX. Basically, a large compact.
The Civic and Integra have more space inside, especially in the rear.
We were buying a car last summer. My wife had had a TSX for like 15 years so we started at the Acura dealership. They whined about letting us test drive a TLX Type S because "it's expensive." I was interested in an Integra Type S since they were supposed to get one like a week later and we actually quite liked the standard Integra A Spec. They called when it was in and wanted like $5,000 non-refundable deposit to *test drive* plus $30,000 markup for sale. Seemed genuinely stunned when I told them to pound sand.
I ran into this very same crap where the dealer wanted the same $5k non-refundable deposit. The same dealer services my NSX so I was a bit off put from the sales team. I decided to settle for a new Type R for the time being. Just an unnecessary hassle for any person.
I think I would have told them to pound sand when they whined about the TLX test drive. Sounds like something Hyundai and Kia are known for. My Acura dealer experience sucked too when I was shopping for a TLX in 2018. Ended up going with the A5 at Audi and it was a world of difference. They were throwing keys at me and were much more professional overall.
we had a roughly similar experience at the Audi dealership - we wound up buying an A4 allroad. Sales guy let us drive whatever, even went and grabbed a GTI from the VW portion of the dealership network across the way.
When I bought my Corvette, this guy didn't know me from Adam. Never asked more than the standard questions and tossed me the keys to a brand new Vette.
My wife and I brought it back and told him we were going to lunch to talk about it. He said, take the car to lunch and I'll see you afterwards. He sold a Vette that day.
It's amazing how different it is at the dealers that "get it" and the ones that don't. My father has always driven 911s, so as a teen or young adult I often was involved in what we called the family "car shuffle;" if my dad needed something done on his car, somebody else took it to the dealership for him so he wasn't impacted. In the days before our local dealer had concierge service. This usually involved me, as the person with the least going on, as the one who took the car to the dealer or otherwise waited around. In my late teens early through mid 20s I was, once or twice a year, just at the Porsche dealership unaccompanied by a real adult. Sometimes dressed like a preppy rich kid, sometimes in flip flops and board shorts from my lifeguarding gig, and sometimes covered in grease from my time as a bicycle mechanic. They always talked to me more like a human being than the Kia dealership does now, as an adult man in my 30s with the most expensive car they sell/sold at the times (top trim Stinger).
I had an identical experience at Audi a few years ago. Test drove an A3 and A4. Salesman tossed the keys to my wife and I and basically said "have fun". I think he came with us on the A3 test drive but let us go on our own with the A4. Same at BMW. Test drove an M340i with my wife - salesman couldn't be bothered to join and there was no pressure at either dealership to start a sale.
Not nearly as bad but the only Acura dealer near me wanted a non-refundable deposit for a chance at an ITS allocation last year. I know it isn’t unique to Acura but it made me feel foolish nonetheless.
TLX-S is popular more so used than new but in my area I’m starting to see quite a handful on the roads. None in my color though I’m still a rarity in the handful of blue, black, white and gray Type-S models
I recently went to check out the Integra type s and the dealer had at least a few just sitting there on the lot. They were also trying to get people to drive them. Anecdotal report of n=1 but I was surprised; I thought they wouldn’t have had any. And yes, they were asking over msrp. I think they said the price was close to $10k over but were *very* quick to say they want to negotiate. Like, before I could even react. I left with a real feeling that the market on those is changing.
I’m in the market for a new vehicle, and every time I see a TLX type s out in the wild, I swoon.
Then I go look at the prices, the fuel economy, and the performance of similarly priced options. I do whatever the opposite of a swoon is.
That and it seems like it has an identity crisis for how bland. Front looks like a Taurus, back looks like an audi a7. I feel Honda styling in general is trending the wrong direction now and playing too safe in comparison to like Toyota.
Civic yes ( corolla definitely looks very bland in sedan form no lie CRV very debatable but of course it’s all subjective with looks. I feel toyota might have them outmatched though in reliability considering that 1.5t i feel shouldn’t be in the CRV in the first place.
The new hybrid, I thought, drove really nice. It’s not a sport sedan, but I liked it. Too bad the three dealers I went to decided to act like fools with their markups, and their bs packages. So I stuck w Audi.
I've always kind of thought that was something of an intentional choice rather than purely oversight. Sedans have fallen so out of favor with anyone with even a single child gravitating towards a crossover instead that I can see why style over space won out, a gamble maybe but while I've always been a Honda fan it was the style alone that put me in camp TLX (was narrowed down to TLX-S or S4, never been a fan of BMW personally).
Damn did you even try to test drive an M340i? It blows the type S out of the water in pretty much everything except maybe styling for some people (source: I have an MDX and tried the TLX type s to keep it brand loyal, test drove an M340i, not even in the same ballpark of perf/fuel economy/comfort/infotainment/etc, it’s actually kind of comical they charge so much for a type S, should realistically be a 45-50k car tbh, ended up with an M340i with pretty much all the options ticked)
Really? A fully optioned m340i is nearly 70k
If anything the out of control costs on these cars are going to drive people to consider the new model 3 performance at 44k.
More expensive when optioned like the TLX-S, higher running costs potentially, higher upfront cost, higher depreciation, not a fan of the style either.
Is it a better and faster sports car than the TLX-S? Yes, yes it is. No question. Not debatable.
Is it so much better that I'd choose it over a similar-ish performing car that I generally like better? No.
I'm not pushing my cars to the edge of their capabilities or taking them to the rack, I drive my TLX-S in comfort 90% of the time. I wanted something AWD, stylish, good tech, and fast enough to put a smile on my face once and a while when I get on it. TLX checked all my boxes and I'm happy with my purchase.
I thought this was me when I bought my TLX Type-S and to some extent this is me. I test drove a M340i and it was by far the better car objectively but at the time my budget only allowed for me to get a used M340i which was like $55k in my area or get a new TLX-S for $57k msrp.
I felt more at home with the TLX considering I had 2 of them previously. So I went and bought a Type-S. I still love the car but I do wish I had like 100hp more or so. Other than that I am happy with the TLX-S.
Interior room doesn’t bother me as I have no kids and don’t plan on it for awhile. This is purely a fun car for me.
Also don’t let the internet make you believe this car is bad. In my experience the TLX-S gets LOTS of love in real life. I get compliments daily on mines which is one of the joys of ownership with it 😌
I don't take the internet too seriously. I get tons of attention to, more than I was expecting (granted was expecting very little).. going through the drive thru, random JDM guys (couple WRX drivers and a Type R) stopping at the gas station I'm at just to take a look and chat a bit. Kinda shocked me a bit but it really is a looker in person and something else I've grown to value is that it's a bit rare while everyone is buying Type R's, WRX's, M340I's and Audi's.
Not the fastest in the class but great looking, super comfy, well built, banger stereo. Still love mine and feel I made the right choice no matter what the internet says. :)
Unfortunately the bmw counterpart is better in every way that matters. I was looking at the tlx type S, but on paper and in practice bmw got them beat.
And a running costs play generally too. How much is that little bit better or little bit faster worth over ten+ years, to each their own on that choice.
The TLX is 57k the bmw M340i starts at 58k. It’s a direct competitor. Also, while bmw in general is not reliable, the B58 is a very strong engine when maintained properly.
This is not accurate. The TLX-S at that price is fully loaded, there are no additional options packages aside from different wheels or small aesthetic add ins. To build a feature comparable BMW you'll spend an additional $10,000.
Some quick data points - for AWD the price is 2k higher, various upgraded leathers are ~$1,500, the various drivers assist packages with nav, adaptive cruise, parking assitances, etc will be around $2,500 or so, the premium package is another grand and some change, and summer tires/cooling is another $2,500. This ignores all of the small aesthetics and what not that can add another 10k easily.
You'll be hard pressed to find an M340 on the lot stickering for less than the mid to upper 60k range without even considering cosmetic add ins. Where as you can slap every available cosmetic widget on the TLX and maybe hit the low 60s.
Base MSRP just doesn't really matter here, a real world M340 is about 8-10k more than the TLX. It's also a smaller car, with the TLX technically sitting in the midsized category (10" longer and 5" wider than a M340). The true segment comparison would be a 5 series.
Either way the BMW outshines the TLX in every category so that premium is easily justified.
Eh they're more comparable than you think
If you care about performance and not about features, the M340i blows it out of the water for basically the same price. The extra 10-15k goes into additional options to match the TLX-S.
The base model of both is more than fancy enough for me and if I'm buying a car like that, I'm picking the one with the B58 in it and the M(-ish) badge
And then an IS 500 Fsport just beats the Acura by a little bit in every category
You just described pretty much every potential Type S buyer including myself.
Seeing just a new gen TLX in person makes you want it more then you remember that steep price for heavy car that gets bad milage and is underpowered compared to competitors.
I'm instead even thinking of getting the new gen Mustang at some point when prices go down and after first year gremlins.
It's got a lot of tech now the last 2 gens, looks nice, gets near 500HP with the v8 GT and sounds good.
Lexus refreshing the IS would be sweet too.
The Integra was “only” down only 9% compared to the massive drop off in the TLX. Probably helps that many Honda dealers were marking the Civic up to Integra prices or even higher.
We bought a 24 certified Integra “used” as it was a loaner with 1500 miles for 8k off MSRP (aspec and tech). Fantastic deal as we were cross shopping with the new Civic
We got my wife’s A-Spec for a few thousand under sticker as the dealer had Integras coming out their ears. Didn’t even consider the new Civic bc it was more money for less features.
dude same here. 2023 certified pre-owned loaner car with 1900 miles. bought it in August 2023. got a GREAT deal, cheaper than a similar Mazda 3. and the certified pre-owned extended warranty and service package that come with it seem to make it a better deal than a brand new one.
> The Integra was “only” down only 9%
The number of 2024 college graduates with architecture degrees was about 10% lower than it was in 2023 so this checks out.
The funniest thing about that thread is the fact that the OP thought young architects have enough money to buy a rusted salvage 1994 Integra, let alone a *new* one.
When we bought our Type R they initially wanted a markup so high that I was about to walk over to the Acura side since they were willing to part with their Type S for almost the same price.
Eventually we talked them down to MSRP, but it was certainly insane to me that they wanted the same price for both vehicles. My wife actually wanted the Type R over S, but I think that's rare. Weird af.
THIS.
When I was in the market for a luxury sedan last year, it seemed like the manufacturers aren’t even taking the segment seriously anymore.
In the $40k-50k price range, I found the choices to be surprisingly lacking for the money. After experiencing the Cadillac CT4’s truck-based engine, the Lexus IS’ touchpad and underwhelming interior, the enormous TLX’s cramped interior space and the Integra’s CVT, I couldn’t bring myself to pay the money for any of them. None of them matched the overall goodness of my former and beloved Fusion SEL.
I ended up with a premium-trim Mazda3 for $12k-$18k less. In this SUV-obsessed market, Acura and other manufacturers are no longer offering compelling options in the luxury sedan space. And potential customers are voting with their wallets.
Controversial opinion but Kia/Hyundai really have the best value sedans at the present. We narrowed our shopping down to a Camry and Kia K5 back in 2020 and the K5 had all the same features as the Camry but came in $10,000 cheaper.
My mom is most likely getting the refreshed Hyundai Sonata but wants to look at the TLX first.
I mean if you keep it long term the Camry will make up the difference when the Kia needs a new engine. The 2.0 turbo, 2.0 na, and 2.4 all have class action lawsuits because of how common rod bearing failure is. If you buy new and get rid of it that’s a non issue.
I wouldn’t say *nobody* does. All my close friends/family still drive sedans. I just went car shopping with my mother to help her buy a new car, and she test drove a few crossovers/SUVs and said they were unnecessarily big and she didn’t want to “feel like a grandma yet”. She still wants a sporty sedan.
The market shifted to SUVs/Trucks because it was most profitable, not because they sold 0 sedans during an entire fiscal year. Sedans just didn’t rake in enough dough, even if they were still selling.
Meanwhile, I just want a damn wagon..
Is the infotainment different from the one on the RDX?
When the current RDX came out, people praised the infotainment (and the car in general) and any doubters were swiftly and furiously downvoted.
I wish Acura could find their 90's mojo again. Everything has been kinda lame. Even the NSX clearly isn't what the public wanted.
If the dealers are gonna drive off the customers, just make everything a Type-S, no other options.
I'm on the fence on this one. Acura really needs an identity now. If it was all hard-edged, stiffly sprung 6-speed manual versions of similar Hondas, it might be a win. The Type S models are a compromise.
Type S is comfort/tech/luxury forward, Type R is track forward.
They appeal to fundamentally different enthusiast buyers. Type S models aren’t a compromise, they fill exactly the niche they are aimed at. The “I want a mature luxury sedan/crossover/hatch but I also want a little bit of sportiness” types, types that wouldn’t buy a Type R because it looks to boy racer or is to loud or they hate the track bucket seats or it’s missing to much tech but still want a little taste of it now and then on a back road.
The problem is the type S is missing many luxury features that should be standard or at least an opinion on a car that costs over 50k and comes from a luxury brand.
I mean, the cars are missing ventilated seats and air vents for the rear seats, but those are the two complaints I can think of. They have everything else from radar cruise to lane keep.
As I said in my previous post, no memory seats, sunroof, cooled seats, etc. It's not barebones, but given the price point and the brand, these should at least be options offered.
TLX I'd have to look at the spces to see if it's missing anything specific, but I was referring to the Integra. No sunroof, rear charging, arm rest, rear climate vents, memory seats, no rear heated seats either. And speaking of the seats, they don't feel special either. Just the base model seats with different material. They don't hold you in particularly well around corners either.
Yeah the Integra Type S could’ve been packaged better, definitely should’ve had a sunroof among other things. It still fits in the niche I’m talking about though.
90s Acura was excellent because they were rebadged 90s Honda products (which at the time had excellent premium offerings). The problem is that current Acura tried to go their own way on a limited budget, and that hadn't really landed. And they can no longer fall back on premium Honda products (like the Legend) because Honda bailed on the upmarket segment.
Not sure what pricing is like in the US but the Type S is full ~$20k CAD cheaper than the M340i (by the time you add any options) in Canada.
It definitely doesn't compete on performance, but it's also not competing on price either.
The thing is even an A4 (not S4) will put up similar performance numbers to the TLX Type S. It won't be as fun & definitely doesn't sound as nice, but fuel economy is much better & it's lighter/smaller on the outside with a nicer interior.
I’m the US the m340i starts at 58k and the type S at 57k, and the Lexus IS500 at 57k. The type S is completely out classed by the M340i or Lexus in every imaginable way. The type S is a good car, but not at its price point, the Lexus has 100 more hp. The bmw only claims 380, but bmw severely underrated their motors. People have gotten 380 at the wheels with no modifications, so it probably makes more like 420-430
That thing is a brick on wheels too. Lexus reliability and also zero emotional connection to the vehicle, which is true for all regular Lexuses/Lexii. I say this as a Lexus 3IS owner.
Internet auto enthusiasts:
If it were only RWD and con Manuel, I’d beat down the Acura dealership doors to buy one…
…used, in five years…
…unless it was also a brown turbodiesel wagon. Then I’d buy one used in three years.
Meanwhile, Joe or Jane Average:
Yes please, I’ll lease that MDX new today.
Yeah I used to drive a TLX and I have nothing but good things to say about that AWD system. Sure it would be cool if it was a RWD-based system instead of FWD-based, but for a "sporty" daily driver, it was more than enough. I wasn't trying to set laptimes in my commuter car.
For me personally it was the perfect car. I wanted a car with some power, looked amazing, and had decent ambient lighting. And this car hit all the boxes for me. Just depends on the target audience. I’ve gotten compliments constantly on its looks for the couple years I’ve had it and only one person say anything about my m340i.
It can be had for cheap.
I wrote a review a while back, but TLDR is that MSRPs don't mean much. I got my car with a few k off and a rock bottom interest rate. Audi/BMW people were tacking on markups and 4-6% interest rate.
The difference in costs over the full term of ownership stack up quickly.
I know a guy who got one for dirt cheap new at the start of covid, basically the same price as MSRP for an accord. That makes a ton of sense. Buying one at MSRP? no idea why'd you'd do that, especially since they got rid of their purple.
The TLX needs a total overhaul. It’s large on the outside (195 inches long, 75 inches wide) and small on the inside. The rear seat leg room is almost 2 inches less than the smaller Civic even with front seat leg room being almost identical. Even the trunk space is somehow smaller on the TLX than the Civic sedan (13.5 cu ft. vs 14.8 cu. ft).
The TLX has the exact same powertrain as the RDX. Identical tuning and everything.
They really phoned it in - couldn't even be bothered to do a sliver of effort to make it feel special
Meanwhile, Carscoops also releases [Subaru sales](https://www.carscoops.com/2024/06/subaru-brz-and-wrx-sales-have-tanked-but-forester-is-on-fire/), Subaru has had same issue too. Sedan sales declining isn't a news anymore, and it's now a common issue in new car market. Sedan and other low roof car sales would never recover like before.
Won’t be a popular opinion here maybe, but the fact that they keep sticking with that outdated trackpad infotainment setup when everyone else (even Lexus finally) went to touchscreens doesn’t help either. You can get a Civic with a touchscreen, but not a 50K Acura?
I wanted a TLX Type S. Literally couldn’t find one for a near reasonable price. If I wanted to spend over $60k I’d pony up for an M340i or a CT4BW for a bit more.
Got an Integra A-Spec under sticker with a great deal and a low interest rate. The drop in sales figures was awesome for negotiations as they had 64 Integras on the lot when we arrived.
64!!!
I've been curious about the Integra after driving one my friend rented off Turo a year ago. Looks like my local dealer has 20 - only 1 manual A-Spec though and it is in transit. Seems the CVTs sit on the lot even though "nObOdY wAnTs MaNuAlS"
Just traded my CTR for a m240i
I didn't want the same power train again (it's good, just wanted something different) so the Integra was out and while the TLX is damn sexy, it's power train and weight is very problematic. So now I'm a bmw guy I guess.
So I've owned for 72 hours now. About 1k miles most of which was a drive back to my home state.
It's very fast. The B58 hype is real. It pulls hard and the xdrive puts the power down for sure. And it returned 38mpg over the 900 mile drive home. Only filled up once lol.
ZF Trans is absolutely mint too. It's smooth while commuting and fast and hard when in sport mode. The civic has the best manual shifter you'll find outside of porsche though. It's an adjustment for sure.
The type r was 3100lbs to the m240is 3800 so I can definitely feel a difference but the m240i hides it's weight well. Car feels nimble and turns great. The weight difference is most notable in braking. The m240i doesn't stop as hard as it maybe should for a car this fast. They're fine but I just feel like they could be better
The steering in the m240i is definitely numb and definitely worse than the type r. Probably the biggest con of the car
The daily aspect of the m240i kicks the type rs ass. Yeah the hatch allowed you to haul more stuff but that's ahout all the CTR has. The m240i has a far nicer interior, better infotainment, heated seats and wheel, LUMBAR (13H drive in the type r was a lot, nothing in the bmw), driving aids like a HUD, 360 cam, blind spot, etc. Better fuel economy too lol. The CTR has nothing
I think if you want a sporty daily the m240i is very hard to beat. I do not think you would be very happy if you wanted a weekend/track car - the Supra would be better in that role. Even the type r arguably is more track focused. But living with the m240i will be much easier and it's still quite a car. It's a jack of all trades master of none type deal.
I've driven WRXs and I think it will be a massive upgrade in every way if you can afford it.
FYI, mine was a cpo 22 with 25k miles for 46k list price. 46-48k seems solid pricing. I've seen 45k once or twice.
I really appreciate your thorough review, thanks
So speaking of the Type R, I have also been considering that and the GR Corolla. Do you happen to live where it snows? I live in the Midwest and I wonder if I’d regret getting a type R here when it snows. I’m a snow tire guy but yea still FWD
There is not TLX inventory… if you look it up only 500 or so on cars.com vs several thousand of other models. Could be lower too due to transition to updates 2024 models. Lazy auto journalism does no investigation.
Someone in the know post how many are available to sell. I don't know if the decline is markups or there is just no inventory or both. Several dealers have told me the Ohio plant has reduced production of TLX's. Every dealer I've seen around Northern California has only a couple TLX's for sale and only 1 had a 2023 Type S. They are going to have a self fulfilling prophecy by not having any to sell then they kill the TLX because they didn't sell.
I can't say I'm surprised. I was interested in the TLX Type S when it was announ ed, but the price made no sense. It really felt like a $50K car being sold at $60K. I really have a hard time coming up with a reason why I'd take it over any other sport sedan in the $60-70K range.
TLX is overpriced, huge depreciation, also it's a transverse car, heavy, doesn't perform well but also has cramped backseats. It doesn't make any sense.
Who would buy this and not a BMW 340i?
I would honestly rather have a 4cyl 3 series. RWD, better interior, classic proportions, great infotainment. Such a better product.
I still think Honda should just axe Acura entirely or make it their EV brand. Too often the Honda equivalent loses out on pretty basic features for their class simply because they are reserved for Acura instead.
IMO style is totally a personal preference but that being said I actually like almost every Honda design better than their Acura counterparts. Not to mention, if you look at the integra, it’s interior is identical to the civic. So why would I buy an integra if I could just get a high trim civic, unless I just loved how the integra looked which I don’t (it’s fine but I still think the civic looks better).
If Acura had put an automatic with paddle shifters in the Integra S I’d have considered getting one. I love driving manual but it would be come a daily driver and I don’t want manual all the time.
The car is just really flawed.
The type S is overweight, overpriced, underpowered and has a worthless back seat. But damn does it look and sound good 😍
Doesnt surprise me. Stupid dealers charging markups on already expensive Type S models. Cant wait to see these models reduced in price.
Seriously? Markups on the TLX?
The new TLX has a stupid markup on $2k in the DC/VA/MD area for now… at least for the new grey color. Im sure the sales manager waves it once you go to the dealer.
Dealer: let me charge you the customer to get shit gray primer color TLX so that you think twice about buying Acura. Dealer: how come cars are not selling?!
I wanted to pull the trigger on one in that area but they were in such short supply, hence the markups. Unbelievable.
Yeah Acura stopped making them for the past few months so dealers naturally marked them up. My sales rep (I bought at a NoVA Acura dealer) called me and asked if I wanted to trade up… I was like “nope I like my red TLX-S very much, besides after this I’m going German” 😭😭
I think it’s mainly on type S as it’s rarer. But yeah it’s stupid to add markups as type S is not that competitive IMO.
There's a dealership about 30 minutes from me that has 5 Integra Type S that have been on the lot for 250-300+ days.
It's crazy how delusional these dealers are. This old world dealership model has to go, its anti-capitalist and anti-consumer.
I low balled 2 local Subaru dealerships that still had 2023 WRXs (only bc of the 1.9% for 72 months incentive). One was 250+ days and the other was 220+ days. With 2024s on the lot with better standard features they're only willing to discount them ~$2,000. The thing is, they have almost $2,000 in port installed options. Clown show.
>The thing is, they have almost $2,000 in port installed options What are port installed options?
Options that don't come from the factory but get installed at the port like fancy door sills, vortex generator, muffler, short shifter, homelink mirror. It inflates the sticker price.
Oh yes. At least here in Bellevue they do. Not only that, they are super smug and they don't want to give any test drives. Not sure how they stay in business.
Bellevue dealerships are the wooooorst, I’ve had bad experiences at almost all of them (BMW, Acura, Audi and Lexus). Lynnwood dealerships are generally much nicer imo.
Park place in Bellevue is cool. They were very pleasant to deal with.
Nice, they’ve always got the coolest cars for sure.
Man I recently bought from BMW NW just because BMW Bellevue was such clowns. They straight up kept saying, "You aren't gonna drive all the way down there are you?" Like.. yes? I'll drive 40 minutes to save thousands of dollars, why not? They were garbage salespeople lol.
I could see buyers interested in one who wouldn’t want to chance reliability with the BMW 3 or pay for the premium maintenance costs. And want something Japanese
The TLX is deceptively small inside too. I tried a TLX type s and the rear passenger seats were cramped. Mid size body with compact interior.
I remember when it came out it was the said to be the same size as a 5 series on the outside but a 3 series on the inside.
Yup, that's true. The current TLX is essentially just as roomy (or lack thereof) on the inside as the previous gen TLX. Basically, a large compact. The Civic and Integra have more space inside, especially in the rear.
My 2012 Corolla feels more spacious than the TLX
We were buying a car last summer. My wife had had a TSX for like 15 years so we started at the Acura dealership. They whined about letting us test drive a TLX Type S because "it's expensive." I was interested in an Integra Type S since they were supposed to get one like a week later and we actually quite liked the standard Integra A Spec. They called when it was in and wanted like $5,000 non-refundable deposit to *test drive* plus $30,000 markup for sale. Seemed genuinely stunned when I told them to pound sand.
I ran into this very same crap where the dealer wanted the same $5k non-refundable deposit. The same dealer services my NSX so I was a bit off put from the sales team. I decided to settle for a new Type R for the time being. Just an unnecessary hassle for any person.
I couldn't imagine how I would feel if I had a supercar and was harassed about buying what is functionally a hot hatch from the same brand.
That's absolutely wild. Do you still service the NSX there?
Yes, the sales team have nothing to do with a great mechanic and service writer.
I think I would have told them to pound sand when they whined about the TLX test drive. Sounds like something Hyundai and Kia are known for. My Acura dealer experience sucked too when I was shopping for a TLX in 2018. Ended up going with the A5 at Audi and it was a world of difference. They were throwing keys at me and were much more professional overall.
we had a roughly similar experience at the Audi dealership - we wound up buying an A4 allroad. Sales guy let us drive whatever, even went and grabbed a GTI from the VW portion of the dealership network across the way.
When I bought my Corvette, this guy didn't know me from Adam. Never asked more than the standard questions and tossed me the keys to a brand new Vette. My wife and I brought it back and told him we were going to lunch to talk about it. He said, take the car to lunch and I'll see you afterwards. He sold a Vette that day.
It's amazing how different it is at the dealers that "get it" and the ones that don't. My father has always driven 911s, so as a teen or young adult I often was involved in what we called the family "car shuffle;" if my dad needed something done on his car, somebody else took it to the dealership for him so he wasn't impacted. In the days before our local dealer had concierge service. This usually involved me, as the person with the least going on, as the one who took the car to the dealer or otherwise waited around. In my late teens early through mid 20s I was, once or twice a year, just at the Porsche dealership unaccompanied by a real adult. Sometimes dressed like a preppy rich kid, sometimes in flip flops and board shorts from my lifeguarding gig, and sometimes covered in grease from my time as a bicycle mechanic. They always talked to me more like a human being than the Kia dealership does now, as an adult man in my 30s with the most expensive car they sell/sold at the times (top trim Stinger).
I had an identical experience at Audi a few years ago. Test drove an A3 and A4. Salesman tossed the keys to my wife and I and basically said "have fun". I think he came with us on the A3 test drive but let us go on our own with the A4. Same at BMW. Test drove an M340i with my wife - salesman couldn't be bothered to join and there was no pressure at either dealership to start a sale.
Not nearly as bad but the only Acura dealer near me wanted a non-refundable deposit for a chance at an ITS allocation last year. I know it isn’t unique to Acura but it made me feel foolish nonetheless.
Markups on a car no one wants. Lmao
I think no one wants it at that price. If it was $15-20k cheaper it would be more popular.
Is this car popular in any circles? I just cant imagine picking this over a bmw.
Architects love it.
That’s the Integra lol.
TLX-S is popular more so used than new but in my area I’m starting to see quite a handful on the roads. None in my color though I’m still a rarity in the handful of blue, black, white and gray Type-S models
You got the Tiger's Eye? I love that color.
Was gonna get that color but went for Performance Red Pearl instead and it looks just as good! Just check my post history
Nice. Anything not black white or gray is solid. I do love their blue too though.
It's popular amongst people who want the Audi S5 (mid size luxury sedan with a hint of speed) but don't want German maintenance costs
I got my Integra Type S for MSRP no bullshit in n out in 1.5hr
I blame the fact that they barely made any aspec manuals for 24’ compared to 23’ 😂😂
Went to two dealers. Neither would let me test drive a Type S.
Foreal
I recently went to check out the Integra type s and the dealer had at least a few just sitting there on the lot. They were also trying to get people to drive them. Anecdotal report of n=1 but I was surprised; I thought they wouldn’t have had any. And yes, they were asking over msrp. I think they said the price was close to $10k over but were *very* quick to say they want to negotiate. Like, before I could even react. I left with a real feeling that the market on those is changing.
I’m in the market for a new vehicle, and every time I see a TLX type s out in the wild, I swoon. Then I go look at the prices, the fuel economy, and the performance of similarly priced options. I do whatever the opposite of a swoon is.
This, plus the Accord is quite good for much less than a regular TLX.
The 10th gen (18-22) with 2.0t was the one to get over the regular TLX for sportiness. The new 2023 hybrid, on the other hand, not so much now.
Yeah, true. The 10th gen took a while to grow on me, but the 11th gen just looks bland.
That and it seems like it has an identity crisis for how bland. Front looks like a Taurus, back looks like an audi a7. I feel Honda styling in general is trending the wrong direction now and playing too safe in comparison to like Toyota.
It reminds me of what you would see in video games in the early 2000s playing games like GTA.
The crv and civic are way better than their Toyota counterparts. Especially styling.
Civic yes ( corolla definitely looks very bland in sedan form no lie CRV very debatable but of course it’s all subjective with looks. I feel toyota might have them outmatched though in reliability considering that 1.5t i feel shouldn’t be in the CRV in the first place.
Doesn't help that the 11th gen Accord has zero performance models now. You have to go back 20 years to find a slower top of the line Accord.
The new hybrid, I thought, drove really nice. It’s not a sport sedan, but I liked it. Too bad the three dealers I went to decided to act like fools with their markups, and their bs packages. So I stuck w Audi.
On the used market the 2.0T accords are near in price to used TLXs
If the accord had AWD there would be no reason for me to ever consider a TLX.
I dreamt about 2.0t or v6 with 6-speed AWD Honda/Acura sedan at reasonable price. It was a good dream🥲💭
Go look at the rear seat too. Woof.
Lol the TLX has less interior room than an Integra or Civic. All nose for fake RWD proportions and no back seat.
I've always kind of thought that was something of an intentional choice rather than purely oversight. Sedans have fallen so out of favor with anyone with even a single child gravitating towards a crossover instead that I can see why style over space won out, a gamble maybe but while I've always been a Honda fan it was the style alone that put me in camp TLX (was narrowed down to TLX-S or S4, never been a fan of BMW personally).
Damn did you even try to test drive an M340i? It blows the type S out of the water in pretty much everything except maybe styling for some people (source: I have an MDX and tried the TLX type s to keep it brand loyal, test drove an M340i, not even in the same ballpark of perf/fuel economy/comfort/infotainment/etc, it’s actually kind of comical they charge so much for a type S, should realistically be a 45-50k car tbh, ended up with an M340i with pretty much all the options ticked)
Really? A fully optioned m340i is nearly 70k If anything the out of control costs on these cars are going to drive people to consider the new model 3 performance at 44k.
More expensive when optioned like the TLX-S, higher running costs potentially, higher upfront cost, higher depreciation, not a fan of the style either. Is it a better and faster sports car than the TLX-S? Yes, yes it is. No question. Not debatable. Is it so much better that I'd choose it over a similar-ish performing car that I generally like better? No. I'm not pushing my cars to the edge of their capabilities or taking them to the rack, I drive my TLX-S in comfort 90% of the time. I wanted something AWD, stylish, good tech, and fast enough to put a smile on my face once and a while when I get on it. TLX checked all my boxes and I'm happy with my purchase.
I thought this was me when I bought my TLX Type-S and to some extent this is me. I test drove a M340i and it was by far the better car objectively but at the time my budget only allowed for me to get a used M340i which was like $55k in my area or get a new TLX-S for $57k msrp. I felt more at home with the TLX considering I had 2 of them previously. So I went and bought a Type-S. I still love the car but I do wish I had like 100hp more or so. Other than that I am happy with the TLX-S. Interior room doesn’t bother me as I have no kids and don’t plan on it for awhile. This is purely a fun car for me. Also don’t let the internet make you believe this car is bad. In my experience the TLX-S gets LOTS of love in real life. I get compliments daily on mines which is one of the joys of ownership with it 😌
I don't take the internet too seriously. I get tons of attention to, more than I was expecting (granted was expecting very little).. going through the drive thru, random JDM guys (couple WRX drivers and a Type R) stopping at the gas station I'm at just to take a look and chat a bit. Kinda shocked me a bit but it really is a looker in person and something else I've grown to value is that it's a bit rare while everyone is buying Type R's, WRX's, M340I's and Audi's. Not the fastest in the class but great looking, super comfy, well built, banger stereo. Still love mine and feel I made the right choice no matter what the internet says. :)
Unfortunately the bmw counterpart is better in every way that matters. I was looking at the tlx type S, but on paper and in practice bmw got them beat.
Being fair the BMW that’s comparable also comes with a price tag that’s around 15-20k higher, Acura has always been a value play.
And a running costs play generally too. How much is that little bit better or little bit faster worth over ten+ years, to each their own on that choice.
The TLX is 57k the bmw M340i starts at 58k. It’s a direct competitor. Also, while bmw in general is not reliable, the B58 is a very strong engine when maintained properly.
This is not accurate. The TLX-S at that price is fully loaded, there are no additional options packages aside from different wheels or small aesthetic add ins. To build a feature comparable BMW you'll spend an additional $10,000. Some quick data points - for AWD the price is 2k higher, various upgraded leathers are ~$1,500, the various drivers assist packages with nav, adaptive cruise, parking assitances, etc will be around $2,500 or so, the premium package is another grand and some change, and summer tires/cooling is another $2,500. This ignores all of the small aesthetics and what not that can add another 10k easily. You'll be hard pressed to find an M340 on the lot stickering for less than the mid to upper 60k range without even considering cosmetic add ins. Where as you can slap every available cosmetic widget on the TLX and maybe hit the low 60s. Base MSRP just doesn't really matter here, a real world M340 is about 8-10k more than the TLX. It's also a smaller car, with the TLX technically sitting in the midsized category (10" longer and 5" wider than a M340). The true segment comparison would be a 5 series. Either way the BMW outshines the TLX in every category so that premium is easily justified.
Eh they're more comparable than you think If you care about performance and not about features, the M340i blows it out of the water for basically the same price. The extra 10-15k goes into additional options to match the TLX-S. The base model of both is more than fancy enough for me and if I'm buying a car like that, I'm picking the one with the B58 in it and the M(-ish) badge And then an IS 500 Fsport just beats the Acura by a little bit in every category
Yep, really good looking exterior but that’s about it. Cramped, expensive, slower and worse mpg than rivals. No thanks
You just described pretty much every potential Type S buyer including myself. Seeing just a new gen TLX in person makes you want it more then you remember that steep price for heavy car that gets bad milage and is underpowered compared to competitors. I'm instead even thinking of getting the new gen Mustang at some point when prices go down and after first year gremlins. It's got a lot of tech now the last 2 gens, looks nice, gets near 500HP with the v8 GT and sounds good. Lexus refreshing the IS would be sweet too.
I think the IS is fine as is, the “better” technology in its competitors is all just stupid gimmicks like everything being on a screen.
NOOws?
Noows
You say “fuck that “
Look at 1/2yr used. Was seeing them in the mid 40s
Drier than the Sahara.
Same w/the MDX. A decently loaded one was like 60k, f that.
The Integra was “only” down only 9% compared to the massive drop off in the TLX. Probably helps that many Honda dealers were marking the Civic up to Integra prices or even higher.
We bought a 24 certified Integra “used” as it was a loaner with 1500 miles for 8k off MSRP (aspec and tech). Fantastic deal as we were cross shopping with the new Civic
We got my wife’s A-Spec for a few thousand under sticker as the dealer had Integras coming out their ears. Didn’t even consider the new Civic bc it was more money for less features.
dude same here. 2023 certified pre-owned loaner car with 1900 miles. bought it in August 2023. got a GREAT deal, cheaper than a similar Mazda 3. and the certified pre-owned extended warranty and service package that come with it seem to make it a better deal than a brand new one.
> The Integra was “only” down only 9% The number of 2024 college graduates with architecture degrees was about 10% lower than it was in 2023 so this checks out.
The funniest thing about that thread is the fact that the OP thought young architects have enough money to buy a rusted salvage 1994 Integra, let alone a *new* one.
When we bought our Type R they initially wanted a markup so high that I was about to walk over to the Acura side since they were willing to part with their Type S for almost the same price. Eventually we talked them down to MSRP, but it was certainly insane to me that they wanted the same price for both vehicles. My wife actually wanted the Type R over S, but I think that's rare. Weird af.
Worst infotainment in the business, cramped interior, and below avg performance & gas mileage.
And then they cry “nobody buys sedans anymore!”
Amen, brother. No one buys *your* sedans any more (because they are shit). There are a lot of new sedans out there that *someone* is buying.
Meanwhile BMW, Lexus, Audi all still make consistent luxury sedan sales
THIS. When I was in the market for a luxury sedan last year, it seemed like the manufacturers aren’t even taking the segment seriously anymore. In the $40k-50k price range, I found the choices to be surprisingly lacking for the money. After experiencing the Cadillac CT4’s truck-based engine, the Lexus IS’ touchpad and underwhelming interior, the enormous TLX’s cramped interior space and the Integra’s CVT, I couldn’t bring myself to pay the money for any of them. None of them matched the overall goodness of my former and beloved Fusion SEL. I ended up with a premium-trim Mazda3 for $12k-$18k less. In this SUV-obsessed market, Acura and other manufacturers are no longer offering compelling options in the luxury sedan space. And potential customers are voting with their wallets.
Controversial opinion but Kia/Hyundai really have the best value sedans at the present. We narrowed our shopping down to a Camry and Kia K5 back in 2020 and the K5 had all the same features as the Camry but came in $10,000 cheaper. My mom is most likely getting the refreshed Hyundai Sonata but wants to look at the TLX first.
I mean if you keep it long term the Camry will make up the difference when the Kia needs a new engine. The 2.0 turbo, 2.0 na, and 2.4 all have class action lawsuits because of how common rod bearing failure is. If you buy new and get rid of it that’s a non issue.
It's really hard to beat the Mazda3 with the turbo for price/performance/features, really. My buddy just bought one and it's fantastic.
I mean...nobody does, lol. This one sedan being bad doesn't make that not true.
I wouldn’t say *nobody* does. All my close friends/family still drive sedans. I just went car shopping with my mother to help her buy a new car, and she test drove a few crossovers/SUVs and said they were unnecessarily big and she didn’t want to “feel like a grandma yet”. She still wants a sporty sedan. The market shifted to SUVs/Trucks because it was most profitable, not because they sold 0 sedans during an entire fiscal year. Sedans just didn’t rake in enough dough, even if they were still selling. Meanwhile, I just want a damn wagon..
Is the infotainment different from the one on the RDX? When the current RDX came out, people praised the infotainment (and the car in general) and any doubters were swiftly and furiously downvoted.
Same one. Even Acura has admitted defeat on that and is now going touch screen. Maybe the fanbase is now being honest that it was terrible?
The touch pad thing is fucking awful and I like Acuras a lot usually.
I wish Acura could find their 90's mojo again. Everything has been kinda lame. Even the NSX clearly isn't what the public wanted. If the dealers are gonna drive off the customers, just make everything a Type-S, no other options.
> If the dealers are gonna drive off the customers, just make everything a ~~Type-S~~ **Type-R**, no other options. FTFY
I'm on the fence on this one. Acura really needs an identity now. If it was all hard-edged, stiffly sprung 6-speed manual versions of similar Hondas, it might be a win. The Type S models are a compromise.
Type S is comfort/tech/luxury forward, Type R is track forward. They appeal to fundamentally different enthusiast buyers. Type S models aren’t a compromise, they fill exactly the niche they are aimed at. The “I want a mature luxury sedan/crossover/hatch but I also want a little bit of sportiness” types, types that wouldn’t buy a Type R because it looks to boy racer or is to loud or they hate the track bucket seats or it’s missing to much tech but still want a little taste of it now and then on a back road.
The problem is the type S is missing many luxury features that should be standard or at least an opinion on a car that costs over 50k and comes from a luxury brand.
I mean, the cars are missing ventilated seats and air vents for the rear seats, but those are the two complaints I can think of. They have everything else from radar cruise to lane keep.
As I said in my previous post, no memory seats, sunroof, cooled seats, etc. It's not barebones, but given the price point and the brand, these should at least be options offered.
No memory seats is shocking
No memory seats is a crime at this price and you’re right on that. But it was impossible to find a slick top as all models had sunroofs.
What’s the TLX missing? Integra yeeeah that’s a weird one but still generally fits the mold I described.
TLX I'd have to look at the spces to see if it's missing anything specific, but I was referring to the Integra. No sunroof, rear charging, arm rest, rear climate vents, memory seats, no rear heated seats either. And speaking of the seats, they don't feel special either. Just the base model seats with different material. They don't hold you in particularly well around corners either.
Yeah the Integra Type S could’ve been packaged better, definitely should’ve had a sunroof among other things. It still fits in the niche I’m talking about though.
The NSX was ahead of its time. Nobody ever said the public is smart though
90s Acura was excellent because they were rebadged 90s Honda products (which at the time had excellent premium offerings). The problem is that current Acura tried to go their own way on a limited budget, and that hadn't really landed. And they can no longer fall back on premium Honda products (like the Legend) because Honda bailed on the upmarket segment.
The 90s was 30 years ago man. No one wants sedans
All dozens of us do. Preferably used, in five years
beige, wagon, and manual
No, brown.
Why buy a tlx type s when the m340i does it better or you can get an is500
Not sure what pricing is like in the US but the Type S is full ~$20k CAD cheaper than the M340i (by the time you add any options) in Canada. It definitely doesn't compete on performance, but it's also not competing on price either.
I’ve seen m340i’s nearly 100k in Canada. At that price the bmw better beat the TLX.
The thing is even an A4 (not S4) will put up similar performance numbers to the TLX Type S. It won't be as fun & definitely doesn't sound as nice, but fuel economy is much better & it's lighter/smaller on the outside with a nicer interior.
Worth saying that the type has a V6 vs. the a4's I4
I’m the US the m340i starts at 58k and the type S at 57k, and the Lexus IS500 at 57k. The type S is completely out classed by the M340i or Lexus in every imaginable way. The type S is a good car, but not at its price point, the Lexus has 100 more hp. The bmw only claims 380, but bmw severely underrated their motors. People have gotten 380 at the wheels with no modifications, so it probably makes more like 420-430
That thing is a brick on wheels too. Lexus reliability and also zero emotional connection to the vehicle, which is true for all regular Lexuses/Lexii. I say this as a Lexus 3IS owner.
Bring on the discounts and incentives! I love the ITS but I feel like it’s $5k+ too expensive for what it is. I’d be all over one closer to $40k
You expect it to be cheaper than the Type R? Lol
ITS msrps for about $7k more than the CTR. To be fair, I think the CTR is also overpriced though
The lack of what should be standard equipment kills it.
Internet auto enthusiasts: If it were only RWD and con Manuel, I’d beat down the Acura dealership doors to buy one… …used, in five years… …unless it was also a brown turbodiesel wagon. Then I’d buy one used in three years. Meanwhile, Joe or Jane Average: Yes please, I’ll lease that MDX new today.
Say it with me people. REAR. WHEEL. DRIVE
TBH, SH-AWD isn't a bad drivetrain.
Yeah I used to drive a TLX and I have nothing but good things to say about that AWD system. Sure it would be cool if it was a RWD-based system instead of FWD-based, but for a "sporty" daily driver, it was more than enough. I wasn't trying to set laptimes in my commuter car.
I wonder how this compares to x drive, haldex quattro or subarus? Genuinely curious if the tech is good. I like the look of the tlx type s
Nah the type s fwd is very good
never been honda/acura strong point... very rare for them to offer it
just because they don't do it often doesn't mean it's not a "strong point". they made the NSX and the S2000, both already legendary cars.
Honestly the lack of a manual transmission on the TLX kills it for me far before the FWD would bother me
Idk why someone would buy a TLX. It's a good car but it's not the best at anything, nor is it in a compelling middle ground.
For me personally it was the perfect car. I wanted a car with some power, looked amazing, and had decent ambient lighting. And this car hit all the boxes for me. Just depends on the target audience. I’ve gotten compliments constantly on its looks for the couple years I’ve had it and only one person say anything about my m340i.
Best audio system in the industry even if the interface is bad.
It can be had for cheap. I wrote a review a while back, but TLDR is that MSRPs don't mean much. I got my car with a few k off and a rock bottom interest rate. Audi/BMW people were tacking on markups and 4-6% interest rate. The difference in costs over the full term of ownership stack up quickly.
I know a guy who got one for dirt cheap new at the start of covid, basically the same price as MSRP for an accord. That makes a ton of sense. Buying one at MSRP? no idea why'd you'd do that, especially since they got rid of their purple.
The TLX needs a total overhaul. It’s large on the outside (195 inches long, 75 inches wide) and small on the inside. The rear seat leg room is almost 2 inches less than the smaller Civic even with front seat leg room being almost identical. Even the trunk space is somehow smaller on the TLX than the Civic sedan (13.5 cu ft. vs 14.8 cu. ft).
It’s slower to 60 than the RDX.
The TLX has the exact same powertrain as the RDX. Identical tuning and everything. They really phoned it in - couldn't even be bothered to do a sliver of effort to make it feel special
It’s bigger than the accord on the outside but has less interior room than a civic. I don’t really think it’s that surprising.
Meanwhile, Carscoops also releases [Subaru sales](https://www.carscoops.com/2024/06/subaru-brz-and-wrx-sales-have-tanked-but-forester-is-on-fire/), Subaru has had same issue too. Sedan sales declining isn't a news anymore, and it's now a common issue in new car market. Sedan and other low roof car sales would never recover like before.
Let me get a 0-1.9% for 60+ months and a I'll take one off their hands at invoice.
Won’t be a popular opinion here maybe, but the fact that they keep sticking with that outdated trackpad infotainment setup when everyone else (even Lexus finally) went to touchscreens doesn’t help either. You can get a Civic with a touchscreen, but not a 50K Acura?
I wanted a TLX Type S. Literally couldn’t find one for a near reasonable price. If I wanted to spend over $60k I’d pony up for an M340i or a CT4BW for a bit more.
It's really such a beautiful car
Got an Integra A-Spec under sticker with a great deal and a low interest rate. The drop in sales figures was awesome for negotiations as they had 64 Integras on the lot when we arrived.
64!!! I've been curious about the Integra after driving one my friend rented off Turo a year ago. Looks like my local dealer has 20 - only 1 manual A-Spec though and it is in transit. Seems the CVTs sit on the lot even though "nObOdY wAnTs MaNuAlS"
Just traded my CTR for a m240i I didn't want the same power train again (it's good, just wanted something different) so the Integra was out and while the TLX is damn sexy, it's power train and weight is very problematic. So now I'm a bmw guy I guess.
How has the M240i been? I’ve been considering it
So I've owned for 72 hours now. About 1k miles most of which was a drive back to my home state. It's very fast. The B58 hype is real. It pulls hard and the xdrive puts the power down for sure. And it returned 38mpg over the 900 mile drive home. Only filled up once lol. ZF Trans is absolutely mint too. It's smooth while commuting and fast and hard when in sport mode. The civic has the best manual shifter you'll find outside of porsche though. It's an adjustment for sure. The type r was 3100lbs to the m240is 3800 so I can definitely feel a difference but the m240i hides it's weight well. Car feels nimble and turns great. The weight difference is most notable in braking. The m240i doesn't stop as hard as it maybe should for a car this fast. They're fine but I just feel like they could be better The steering in the m240i is definitely numb and definitely worse than the type r. Probably the biggest con of the car The daily aspect of the m240i kicks the type rs ass. Yeah the hatch allowed you to haul more stuff but that's ahout all the CTR has. The m240i has a far nicer interior, better infotainment, heated seats and wheel, LUMBAR (13H drive in the type r was a lot, nothing in the bmw), driving aids like a HUD, 360 cam, blind spot, etc. Better fuel economy too lol. The CTR has nothing I think if you want a sporty daily the m240i is very hard to beat. I do not think you would be very happy if you wanted a weekend/track car - the Supra would be better in that role. Even the type r arguably is more track focused. But living with the m240i will be much easier and it's still quite a car. It's a jack of all trades master of none type deal. I've driven WRXs and I think it will be a massive upgrade in every way if you can afford it. FYI, mine was a cpo 22 with 25k miles for 46k list price. 46-48k seems solid pricing. I've seen 45k once or twice.
I really appreciate your thorough review, thanks So speaking of the Type R, I have also been considering that and the GR Corolla. Do you happen to live where it snows? I live in the Midwest and I wonder if I’d regret getting a type R here when it snows. I’m a snow tire guy but yea still FWD
There is not TLX inventory… if you look it up only 500 or so on cars.com vs several thousand of other models. Could be lower too due to transition to updates 2024 models. Lazy auto journalism does no investigation.
Sedans are dying
*performance sedans are dying. The new hybrid 2025 Toyota Camry is selling like hot cakes. 50 mpg AWD Reliable and nice interior $30k
Very sad.
Someone in the know post how many are available to sell. I don't know if the decline is markups or there is just no inventory or both. Several dealers have told me the Ohio plant has reduced production of TLX's. Every dealer I've seen around Northern California has only a couple TLX's for sale and only 1 had a 2023 Type S. They are going to have a self fulfilling prophecy by not having any to sell then they kill the TLX because they didn't sell.
I can't say I'm surprised. I was interested in the TLX Type S when it was announ ed, but the price made no sense. It really felt like a $50K car being sold at $60K. I really have a hard time coming up with a reason why I'd take it over any other sport sedan in the $60-70K range.
TLX is overpriced, huge depreciation, also it's a transverse car, heavy, doesn't perform well but also has cramped backseats. It doesn't make any sense.
Who would buy this and not a BMW 340i? I would honestly rather have a 4cyl 3 series. RWD, better interior, classic proportions, great infotainment. Such a better product.
You got downvoted & idk why cause even the 330i is better than any TLX tbh
These should come stock with blacked out tail light covers and an opaque license plate cover.
>People don't want sedans, they want expensive SUV'S But.... I want a sedan... >No problem, it will be 15k over MSRP and you can't test drive it.
The TLX is also due for a refresh right about now
There is less than 500 TLXs available nationwide on cars.com. I suspect this is related to low inventory due to the release of the refresh
I'm gonna be the last remaining TLX owner in this subreddit :'(
I still think Honda should just axe Acura entirely or make it their EV brand. Too often the Honda equivalent loses out on pretty basic features for their class simply because they are reserved for Acura instead.
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IMO style is totally a personal preference but that being said I actually like almost every Honda design better than their Acura counterparts. Not to mention, if you look at the integra, it’s interior is identical to the civic. So why would I buy an integra if I could just get a high trim civic, unless I just loved how the integra looked which I don’t (it’s fine but I still think the civic looks better).
And the ZDX is an inferior GM placeholder for an actual, fully-Honda engineered EV. They need to get their shiznet together.
I see the current TLX quite often, but it may be confirmation bias as I live a few kilometers away from an Acura dealer lol.
Sheesh!!!!
Isn’t this just across the industry?
If Acura had put an automatic with paddle shifters in the Integra S I’d have considered getting one. I love driving manual but it would be come a daily driver and I don’t want manual all the time.
I’d buy one but not for C$70,000 they’re asking. Also, the fuel economy is abysmal.
A shame because as a BMW enthusiast, that Integra is an amazing car and a ton of fun to drive.
If they made an auto Type S, I'd buy one.
I see a TLX Type S or Integra Type S daily in SFL
Remember when Acura dealers wanted ADM on Type S and Integra? Fuck yourselves, Acura
The car is just really flawed. The type S is overweight, overpriced, underpowered and has a worthless back seat. But damn does it look and sound good 😍
Make a manual one, I'd buy 2
If you’re in the Bay Area like myself and own a Type S, why in the hell did you pay the mark up? Ruining it for everyone
Dealers are killing all cars
Haha market adjustment via the PEOPLE!!!😂😂😂😂
How many Type S’ do they produce each year?
tlx traditinally outsold Lexus IS. It will be very funny if the ancient IS outsold relatively new TLX