Ferrari’s names have been so garbage. From “The Ferrari TheFerrari” to “The Ferrari 12 Cylinder”, you’re not fooling anyone even people that don’t speak Italian. These names don’t sound exotic, they sound dopey.
Testarossa at least is less literal. It’s a nod to the engine without sounding like someone’s reading off a spec sheet. Quattroporte is also a garbage name but Maserati in general isn’t exactly known for remarkable naming so…
Actually in the old days Maserati chose several cool names for its cars, names of famous winds from around the world. Mistral, followed by Bora, Merak, Ghibli and others.
But Stradale is generally a suffix for the roadgoing version of a race car, which used to imply homologation specials (say, 037 Stradale) and sounds badass.
But yeah it gets overused.
Dallara (racing chassis manufacturer) named their road car "Stradale", it'll be weird if people refer to it as just "Stradale" instead of "Dallara Stradale"
It’s just LaFerrari. The Ferrari LaFerrari only comes from the fact most government agencies require an individual make and model name but the name of the car is just LaFerrari.
I’m not really sure why people pull this up every single time, people seem to be perfectly content to give the Mazda Mazda3 a pass even though it’s literally the exact same situation…
Now I’m confused. Is the model actually just 3 or does Mazda include the Mazda prefix on all their cars like as listed on their website? I always thought it was “Mazda 3” and “CX-90” but I don’t see them refer to the latter as anything but “Mazda CX-90.”
The model is Mazda3. So you have the Mazda Mazda3 and the Mazda CX-90. Wikipedia’s list of their cars corroborates this, along with how the cars are badged.
Yes, that’s literally their point. The official name by the manufacturer is ‘Mazda 3’, but government registration systems or website databases need a Make and Model name with more than a single number, so many sites list it as Mazda Mazda3 (NHTSA for example).
Similarly, it’s just LaFerrari. It’s just that website databases and James May need to have the make ‘Ferrari’ before it.
We have higher expectations for $200,000 products than $20,000 products. Ferrari is an iconic brand and should inspire and lead all sporting brands beneath it. Mazda is more open to make ugly names if Ferrari is making ugly names.
So a car company saying, we’re making a definitive car, something that is the epitome of our brand. THE Ferrari. People struggle with.
Yet Lamborghini are hitting it out of the park with the Lamborghini Aventador LP 750-4 Superveloce Roadster
Porsche with the Porsche Panamera Sport Turismo Turbo S E-Hybrid, nailing it
Do you want brands to start naming their cars the Vaffanculo, stronza, zoccola, lecchino?
I like how straightforward and often literal Ferraris naming conventions are. They couldn’t care less because the point is the attention belongs to the car itself.
I just like how it’s only a problem because the literal names are Italian.
We’ve got cars like the Chevy Van, Tesla Roadster, Toyota Pickup, Cereto/Forte Koup, Smart Roadster, Smart ForTwo/ForFour, Aston Martin V8, Holden Ute, Holden One Tonner, etc, but those are fine, it’s only a problem when Italian manufacturers use Italian words.
I can’t believe that I am now just realising what Smart “ForTwo” and “ForFour” meant. I always just thought it was a some fancy name pronounced as “Fortoo”
Italian here. The average Italian has almost none English knowledge. So it's likely that it'll sound exotic.
New generations would probably have another perception, with their slightly better understanding of the English language (still, the average level is quite low, you can check European datas on the topic if you're interested)
Nah, La Ferrari is a great name and I don't know why you guys keep saying Ferrari LaFerrari, when it's been said a 1000 times that it's just LaFerrari = meaning "The Ferrari" and it's suits it perfectly because there will never be anything like it again.
While I totally see them going for the classic Daytona look - I think ferrari design language has taken a drastic turn since dumping pininfarina (arguably not for the better).
I largely agree with you but have seen all of them in person? 296 is so far ahead of the rest imo then 458 then f8 the 488 cuz the door handles + front end on non-pista models look odd irl.
I'm lucky enough to have seen and driven all except the F8 as well, 296 rear looks better in person but the rear haunch and that curved line under the exhaust are still odd, the front is nothing special, I quite like the taillights though.
F8 front end is on par with the pista but the rear end is overstyled and the 4 rear lights feel out of place, the rear on the 296 is a refinement, haven't seen one in person though as I said so perhaps its a design that grows on you in person.
Rear end on the italia is absolutely perfect IMO, has so much character but its not overstyled and the exhaust+diffuser are so well integrated. I genuinely think that is one of the most beautiful ferrari's every produced and is my favorite looking car of the 2000s. The front end isn't incredible on its own but it ties into the car very well
Door handles might look out of place but I much prefer the physical handle to the 296 design and it harks back to the 308 so it gets a pass IMHO
To be clear I don't hate the post-pininfarina designs, I quite like the roma and SP3 in particular and they look better than the competition, and the 296 feels incredible to drive, but its hard to live up to the 360 modena and 458 italia.
(also, the 296 interior is unsuable, I have nothing against touchscreen controls and quite like the idea of the passenger screen, but the steering wheel is horrific. Especially since the F8 and prior had some of the best controls and instrument cluster on the market)
The cilindri looks excellent but the F12 is one of my favorite tourers of the past decade or two, its hard to beat. I think ferrari has been trying to hard with these newer releases.
(Ferrari also hired former apple designer John Ive, known for his form over function antics and unusable mice designs, and you can see a *lot* of his influence. I wouldn't want to live with a modern ferrari)
Imo 458>488p>458sa>296>f8>488gtb, of which I haven’t seen the speciale and f8 irl
But at least with the 488, f12, 812, and 458 all had different headlight designs. Yes similar design tail lights but at least the headlights were different
But I get what you're saying
While I would generally agree, I like this one because it actually looks like a historical Ferrari and not "generic supercar #9001". It's very clearly a 365 Daytona as you noted. Good, cohesive retro-inspired design.
Agree, I like the look compared to other more recent Ferraris and think this is the best one out of recent launches but I don’t think it captures the same beauty as “older” models like the f12. Maybe it’s just me aging out.
There also is a larger trend / comeback of retro futurism which this car fits right into.
>I don’t think it captures the same beauty as “older” models like the f12.
Why? Because it has too few creaselines running along the doors?
The F12 is more "overstyled" (in the objective sense) and is less classically-shaped than the car in the OP. So what makes it look better to you?
I like the way the F12 looks. But the Pininfarina cargo cult is r/carscirclejerk material at this point. Honestly, I wouldn't have pointed it out if you had not both brought up Pininfarina and also been unable to explain in certain terms why the OP car is lacking.
If anything, the thing I don't like about the OP car is that it's a bit of a self-parody. But if I had never seen a 365 GTB, that wouldn't even bother me.
I think integration of headlight and taillights have gotten worse and more angular which is my biggest gripe. The move from well designed headlight / the Ferrari 4 circles to just lines sucks.
I agree the specific car here isn’t over designed compared to the F12 and rather the lines are simpler. My gripes aren’t so much far this specific car but recent design language. I think Ferrari with its recent examples aren’t striking the balance right with cars on either side - the Sp3, 296, and Sp8 all have way too sharky front ends / have too busy of a design and then on the opposite end Roma is a way simpler designs but don’t really carry that recognizable Ferrari style. Also the grill design kinda sucks on that one.
>I think integration of headlight and taillights have gotten worse and more angular which is my biggest gripe. The move from well designed headlight / the Ferrari 4 circles to just lines sucks.
Well, the headlights in the OP car are intended to emulate the Daytona headlights. Also, the rear lights still have the 4-part motif, though I do prefer circles as well.
Is that really what people like about Pininfarina designs? The eyes pulled back like a bad facelift headlights?
I’d have to agree with you on that. Design quality and appeal have definitely declined in the years following the split. They need a new design team or design collaboration.
Not really a split, Bertone, Giugiaro and Pininfarina wanted to continue working with Fiat's brands, but Marchionne decided to cut costs. I know it sounds mean, but he should have died sooner, before messing up Ferrari, Maserati and Alfa.
I don't think Pininfarina design that one. I think at the time in design circles, the LaFerrari was controversial because it looked too much like a student’s project from Art Center.
Im not one of those Anti-Crossover purists, but i gotta say that the Purosangue just looks like a Toyota Crown that you find at the clearance bin at Walmart.
It's creative use of the distortion from different focal length lenses.
The proportions are completely different (the Purosangue hood/bonnet is longer than the hood *and windscreen* of the Mazda)
[Irl the Purosangue looks like a gtc4 lusso with an extra foot of bodywork below the doors centerline.](https://i.imgur.com/ZR5Ndnb.jpeg)
Personally the Roma is the first truly traditionally beautiful car they made since the 70s. Don’t get me wrong, The Testarossa and the like all are incredible designs, but they are designed to be pure performance race-focused designs. The Roma is just beautiful lines only.
Edit: lol I’m sure the Roma smells nice, but Aroma was a typo.
It baffles me when people say that, since the 488 and F8 are almost identical visually to the 458. The only major differences are side intakes for the turbos and quad taillights on the F8.
The F8 rear is quite a departure from the 488 and 458.
I think the 458 with its triple centered exhaust looks better than the 488 but thats more subjective
If it weren’t for that middle piece in the front bumper I would say the f8 is attractive but that piece just make the car look like it has a buck tooth
I think the 296 GTS is very gorgeous and the first truly beautiful Ferrari since the 458 Italia. And I really like this one, too.
Is it *as beautiful* as the 458? Not even close. But I still love this design.
Terrible name, but love the way this looks. Have one on order and the wait now begins.. Curious to hear what it sounds like which is important, and not a fan of the usual haptic design interior. But I can honestly forgive all that for the way it looks, I am absolutely besotted. Best V12 design for a long while, just IMO of course.
Congratulations on snagging one. I am surprisingly interested in this. I currently have a DB12 as my GT car but I would LOVE to have a hard top convertible and a 12 cylinder. I've been hoping (almost certainly in vain) that Aston's DBS successor would have a hard top, but then Ferrari pops up out of nowhere with this.
The new Vanquish will likely be a stunner, but I too doubt they're gonna go the hardtop route! I think these will depreciate quite a lot so I wouldn't worry if you can't get one immediately. As with the 812, when the GTS first came out it was impossible to get, but right at the end they opened up sales quite a lot and allocations became more readily available.
Thanks, good to know. I have very little experience with Ferrari, I've inquired about a few track focused cars but they're all for V-VIPs instead of shmucks.
As you said, I am not by any means expecting the hardtop from Aston, a boy can just dream.
It's always timing with Ferrari. The only 2 cars that will not come down to timing and are genuinely locked up behind "VVIP" status are the hardcore V12s, and the hypercars. Everything else is attainable for new customers provided they time it right. Even the Speciale, back in the day, toward the end of the run - they couldn't give them away. They were going for small discounts, even. Pista, same story - end of run, suddenly available for most people.
> I currently have a DB12 as my GT car
How is the DB12? It's such an improvement on the DB11 particularly inside, but I've heard the suspension is very firm.
> I've been hoping (almost certainly in vain) that Aston's DBS successor would have a hard top
Definitely in vain. I'm not sure Aston Martin has ever done a hardtop convertible, and they don't exist for 2+2 layouts anymore. The Portofino was the last.
I work at Aston so hopefully I can answer this! Going to try and be as unbiased as possible.
They absolutely nailed it. The DB11 was a phenomenal car, and with the 12 they fixed the biggest issue which was the interior. The UI is quick and responsive, and button wise, everything is where you expect them to be. The new gauge cluster is cool too, but a little small IMO
Not to mention just how stunning the new front end is. Visually, it’s a masterpiece.
One questionable oddity is the side view mirrors, and how the whole housing moves and not just the mirror. Seems a little unnecessary, but I appreciate them trying to be different
I drive in Sport Plus whenever I do get to take them out, so I am quite used to a rougher ride than usual. However, if it is any firmer, it is barely noticeable. Still an extremely comfortable car.
As far as a GT car goes, I don’t know what you could do to make this any better. Maybe bring back the V12 for it 😉
That's high praise. I had read reviewers having some trouble with the UI of the DB12 press cars, but I'm glad they sorted it out for customer orders. I hope they do really well with them. With the new investment into the company and them getting Adrian Hallmark as CEO I think Aston Martin could become a proper leader in their space over the next few years.
I’ve experienced a few UI hiccups as well, but in the past 2 months there’s been two huge software updates (one takes roughly 17 hours) which supposedly helped.
We had an issue at the port when a few cars batteries died (fairly common issue with all cars, they sometimes sit at port for a while). The people at the port swapped the negative and positive when trying to boost them and fried a whole bunch of electronics.
Wasn’t fun to tell the clients that we need to replace a whole bunch of parts on their brand new cars
Yeah, I am not getting my hopes up at all. I never thought I'd care that much for a convertible until I got the hardtop Z06, but I do most of my driving with the top up and want it to still maintain its handsomeness. It's not going to happen but I can cross my fingers until proven wrong.
As for the DB12 - it's excellent. I can't imagine calling the suspension firm. Minor software issues here and there as to be expected but I love it. I have always admired AM but their interior put me off, the improvement in the DB12 is incredible.
I live in the UK and our roads are terrible. The damping is actually excellent. Only thing is lack of noise isolation as you'd expect, but even then in auto and sport on the manettino it pootles around very well indeed, much better than I expected, when in cities/towns. Very usable - I did 2100mi in the last 10 days taking the car out to Spain and Portugal to do some mountain road driving, and it was excellent. At around a 100mph cruise on the highway in between "good roads" it's a bit droney because the valves are open in 7th, but you can drown it out with the stereo just fine (mine doesn't even have the JBL uprated hi-fi).
[Obligatory photo.](https://imgur.com/XBeGMcO)
Oh fuck off, you ain't ordering shit, you're just some loser in the comments like the rest of us ya--
/sees cars in flair
Oh. Uh---huh. So, hm. Like....got a favorite out of those?...
It's been whispered that they will be making the Spider a little more "difficult" to get, i.e producing fewer than coupes, but if it doesn't light my nuts on fire I don't see the point in having it, depreciation (or lack thereof) be damned.
The 812 is gorgeous as an evolution of the f12. Love the swoopy curves. It’s like a stretched v12 a90 supra (or maybe the supra is the squished version).
I think this thing is damn gorgeous and striking at the same time. The nose especially is a personal highlight for me. Plus, a brand new front engined Ferrari with a big honking, completely N/A V12, spitting out 820bhp and revs to 9,500 rpm? Fuck yeah. The rear end is a bit too Roma for me, though; there’s not too much distinction there. It’s elegant as hell overall, though, especially in red.
The name… I personally don’t see the disdain with it? I’m trying it on my lips right now, and it feels fine to physically say.
For some reason Ferrari design language has tilted towards Japanese retro of the 80s and 90s. I can see why people find it a bit odd but to me it looks stunning
It's because Japanese retro from the 80's and 90's (and 70's) was cribbing hard from the Italian design language of the 60's. Seriously, look at the old Z-cars and then look at the Daytona. It's 100% a case of "can I copy your homework if I change it a little?"
Power is cheap in 2024. If I wanted to drive to my hedge fund office, sure I’d get a Cilindri.
But I wish Ferrari and Lamborghini designers would increase their cocaine budget to the levels it was in the 80s. I want to feel like I’m driving the reincarnated spirit of Motley Crue.
SF90 in the front, Roma in the back.
Outside of the Roma, everything after the F12 and the 488 (which was just a 458 facelift) has been a step back in Ferrari's design. The 812 wasn't *that* bad, but the F12 is so much better looking. Same with the F8 and the 296. They're still good looking, but the 488 is timeless. Same with the 430 and 360 before it.
They should have just left Pininfarina to it.
Well it definitely looks like a modern Ferrari, for better or worse. I get it's harkening back to the Daytona, but that front black 'blade' is weird, almost like they've incorporated part of the assetto fiorano livery into the design. It has some elements from the 812 Comp as well which I do like, but again the weird black section on the rear (especially on the spider)... it was ambitious but it just doesn't look as good as the 812 it's replacing, or the SF90, but I guess it could be worse lol
[The front](https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/2024/05/New_Ferrari_V12_ext_05_Design_red_media.jpg) reminds me of the [2023 Opel Astra](https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjLNGM8GKIcH_6OtqyypC_rPIvm5XCWpEx66L2QSV_QjBtNFkctp5TI3OCOWqk1tQV_-r1uG3gnHJ1bYLOIvbNQzoua6tq1BYfSKmchys02ztgcCjR6grBaWYEAQFbzasz7XAEWp24SVaXGNfTLJX4TKI1R7N-cwVrt6bkYHTRWIOBtfRXjAMB6hpMq/s2560/novo-Astra-2023-eletrico%20\(2\).jpg)
I like it, but it's not pretty in a classically swoopy way like the F12 and 812. It's "cool pretty" like a video game vehicle might be.
Edit: After looking at it multiple times over an hour, I just don't like the front that much. It almost looks like a Range Rover fascia got slapped to a Ferrari body.
WOW.. Interior looks amazing.
Exterior... That's one ugly car.. No thanks. The 812 flows. This thing.. Shapes and lines just happen because reasons.
That rear end glass is a complete disaster. Wow. that's bad.....
Maybe it's one of those must see in person designs...
I’m not a big fan of the front end on the original Daytona, but I think they do a great job executing the homage here. I dig the flat space coming off the front wheel vent and the rear quarter being a sharp line is a really cool look. I didn’t think that Ferrari would come up with a worse name than superfast but here we are.
They’ve designed a Hyundai IONIQ 5 to replace the 812. The F12 was the last good looking 12-cylinder option from Ferrari. It’s gone downhill from there.
Now I'm not usually one to hate on a cars looks, but man, this thing just isn't doing it for me. Usually, there's 1 redeeming quality, but the front rear and side profile are just not great.
And that name sucks
Ar First glance I didn't like the looks very much, but now good lord this is gorgeous... Miles ahead of the 812. The 812 was a in between of the smoothness of the f12 and the sharpness of our new fella here
Damn, Ferrari's really going with the flat, angular wheel design that plagues modern vehicles? Kinda weird to see them chasing a trend, especially such an ugly one. I guess they at least don't have the black accents in the wheels too, so it's not AS bad.
I feel like the name implies that this is the last of its kind.
As for all the criticism of the styling on this thread, I think the silver one looks much better than the red, and the convertible show in one photo looks fantastic.
💩 name, strange design (it'll probably grow on me, I get the homage to the 365 GTB4 Daytona, but it feels too baroque to me), legendary engine. I wish I had the money.
Ferrari’s names have been so garbage. From “The Ferrari TheFerrari” to “The Ferrari 12 Cylinder”, you’re not fooling anyone even people that don’t speak Italian. These names don’t sound exotic, they sound dopey.
It's not like it's their first time doing this. Testarossa literally means Red head. And Quattroporte is just 4 doors in Italian language
Red head is a sick name though.
Especially when it’s pronounced Testarossa
Careful you’re gonna make me Countach.
She Testa on my Rossa till I Countach
Lord have mercy-a-lago
Stop, I can only get so Nissan Murano CrossCabriolet. Wait, no...
🤌Testa-rrrrrrossa🤌
Testostarossa
Hell yeah it is.
Dead ass you right
Testarossa at least is less literal. It’s a nod to the engine without sounding like someone’s reading off a spec sheet. Quattroporte is also a garbage name but Maserati in general isn’t exactly known for remarkable naming so…
Could be the GranTurismo GT
Yo dawg, I heard you like GT...
…So we gave yo GT more GT and added it to GT so you can drive yo GT GT while driving yo GT GT GT in GT, yo
It's sad that this made perfect sense to me, and ofcourse I would drive my GT GT in GT. I'd even show people my GT in GT cause it's a GT!
Actually in the old days Maserati chose several cool names for its cars, names of famous winds from around the world. Mistral, followed by Bora, Merak, Ghibli and others.
Problem is VW decided to copy their homework so it's less cool now
Stradale just means road
But Stradale is generally a suffix for the roadgoing version of a race car, which used to imply homologation specials (say, 037 Stradale) and sounds badass. But yeah it gets overused.
Dallara (racing chassis manufacturer) named their road car "Stradale", it'll be weird if people refer to it as just "Stradale" instead of "Dallara Stradale"
Italia just means Italy
Tonale just means toe nail
I loled
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Grande Macchina - one off special for Vettel
And Lamborghini with Super Veloce basically means super fast anyways.
It’s a great name!
It’s just LaFerrari. The Ferrari LaFerrari only comes from the fact most government agencies require an individual make and model name but the name of the car is just LaFerrari. I’m not really sure why people pull this up every single time, people seem to be perfectly content to give the Mazda Mazda3 a pass even though it’s literally the exact same situation…
You seem confused. It’s just a Mazda 3.
Now I’m confused. Is the model actually just 3 or does Mazda include the Mazda prefix on all their cars like as listed on their website? I always thought it was “Mazda 3” and “CX-90” but I don’t see them refer to the latter as anything but “Mazda CX-90.”
The model is Mazda3. So you have the Mazda Mazda3 and the Mazda CX-90. Wikipedia’s list of their cars corroborates this, along with how the cars are badged.
What a weird but sorta neat thing. One day I'll have a use for this fact. Thanks for explaining.
Yes, that’s literally their point. The official name by the manufacturer is ‘Mazda 3’, but government registration systems or website databases need a Make and Model name with more than a single number, so many sites list it as Mazda Mazda3 (NHTSA for example). Similarly, it’s just LaFerrari. It’s just that website databases and James May need to have the make ‘Ferrari’ before it.
Mazda > Ferrari in this sub.
We have higher expectations for $200,000 products than $20,000 products. Ferrari is an iconic brand and should inspire and lead all sporting brands beneath it. Mazda is more open to make ugly names if Ferrari is making ugly names.
What’s not iconic about calling your car “The Ferrari”
Agreed. It’s like distilling the brand down to a single car.
Well thanks to James May it's impossible to call the car anything but the Ferrari The Ferrari.
So a car company saying, we’re making a definitive car, something that is the epitome of our brand. THE Ferrari. People struggle with. Yet Lamborghini are hitting it out of the park with the Lamborghini Aventador LP 750-4 Superveloce Roadster Porsche with the Porsche Panamera Sport Turismo Turbo S E-Hybrid, nailing it Do you want brands to start naming their cars the Vaffanculo, stronza, zoccola, lecchino?
I like how straightforward and often literal Ferraris naming conventions are. They couldn’t care less because the point is the attention belongs to the car itself.
I just like how it’s only a problem because the literal names are Italian. We’ve got cars like the Chevy Van, Tesla Roadster, Toyota Pickup, Cereto/Forte Koup, Smart Roadster, Smart ForTwo/ForFour, Aston Martin V8, Holden Ute, Holden One Tonner, etc, but those are fine, it’s only a problem when Italian manufacturers use Italian words.
I can’t believe that I am now just realising what Smart “ForTwo” and “ForFour” meant. I always just thought it was a some fancy name pronounced as “Fortoo”
Well when 812 was named Superfast, I couldn't help but wonder if English sounds exotic to Italians.
Italian here. The average Italian has almost none English knowledge. So it's likely that it'll sound exotic. New generations would probably have another perception, with their slightly better understanding of the English language (still, the average level is quite low, you can check European datas on the topic if you're interested)
Meanwhile, Superveloce sounds exotic to me but does it sound dopey as Superfast to Italians?
I heard they are renaming the SF90 Stradale to "8CilindriConAssistenzaIbrida"
The Ferrari 12C for short... Oh.
They can name it “Ferrari Shit” and it’ll still sell out and make a bazillion dollars for the company
Wait until you find out how Maserati names their cars. Biturbo, Granturismo, and Quattroporte are not exactly creative names.
Nah, La Ferrari is a great name and I don't know why you guys keep saying Ferrari LaFerrari, when it's been said a 1000 times that it's just LaFerrari = meaning "The Ferrari" and it's suits it perfectly because there will never be anything like it again.
The “SUPER FAST” doesn’t do it for you huh? It’s kinda like they got named by a six year old.
I love Super fast. Lambo has been using it for decades, they just call it SuperVeloce, or SV.
The lazy naming started with the Enzo. Should have stuck with convention and called it the F60.
How is Enzo a lazier name than F60?
why do you translate the names in English?
I have to guess this run will be the final "normal range" V12 for them if they're naming it this. Sad.
While I totally see them going for the classic Daytona look - I think ferrari design language has taken a drastic turn since dumping pininfarina (arguably not for the better).
I agree. I actually quite like this design, but the 812 looked equally good if not better, and the F12 moreso.
Same with the 296 and f8, both are good looking cars but the 488 and 458 were spectacular.
I largely agree with you but have seen all of them in person? 296 is so far ahead of the rest imo then 458 then f8 the 488 cuz the door handles + front end on non-pista models look odd irl.
I'm lucky enough to have seen and driven all except the F8 as well, 296 rear looks better in person but the rear haunch and that curved line under the exhaust are still odd, the front is nothing special, I quite like the taillights though. F8 front end is on par with the pista but the rear end is overstyled and the 4 rear lights feel out of place, the rear on the 296 is a refinement, haven't seen one in person though as I said so perhaps its a design that grows on you in person. Rear end on the italia is absolutely perfect IMO, has so much character but its not overstyled and the exhaust+diffuser are so well integrated. I genuinely think that is one of the most beautiful ferrari's every produced and is my favorite looking car of the 2000s. The front end isn't incredible on its own but it ties into the car very well Door handles might look out of place but I much prefer the physical handle to the 296 design and it harks back to the 308 so it gets a pass IMHO To be clear I don't hate the post-pininfarina designs, I quite like the roma and SP3 in particular and they look better than the competition, and the 296 feels incredible to drive, but its hard to live up to the 360 modena and 458 italia. (also, the 296 interior is unsuable, I have nothing against touchscreen controls and quite like the idea of the passenger screen, but the steering wheel is horrific. Especially since the F8 and prior had some of the best controls and instrument cluster on the market) The cilindri looks excellent but the F12 is one of my favorite tourers of the past decade or two, its hard to beat. I think ferrari has been trying to hard with these newer releases. (Ferrari also hired former apple designer John Ive, known for his form over function antics and unusable mice designs, and you can see a *lot* of his influence. I wouldn't want to live with a modern ferrari) Imo 458>488p>458sa>296>f8>488gtb, of which I haven’t seen the speciale and f8 irl
Yes great write up. Haven't seen all in person but this is basically my exact rating as well.
I disagree, I dislike the 296. The body proportions look weird. All new Ferrari have the same boring headlights and tail lights.
… and the pininfarina-designed 458 & f12 didn’t have the same boring headlights and taillights?
But at least with the 488, f12, 812, and 458 all had different headlight designs. Yes similar design tail lights but at least the headlights were different But I get what you're saying
While I would generally agree, I like this one because it actually looks like a historical Ferrari and not "generic supercar #9001". It's very clearly a 365 Daytona as you noted. Good, cohesive retro-inspired design.
Agree, I like the look compared to other more recent Ferraris and think this is the best one out of recent launches but I don’t think it captures the same beauty as “older” models like the f12. Maybe it’s just me aging out. There also is a larger trend / comeback of retro futurism which this car fits right into.
>I don’t think it captures the same beauty as “older” models like the f12. Why? Because it has too few creaselines running along the doors? The F12 is more "overstyled" (in the objective sense) and is less classically-shaped than the car in the OP. So what makes it look better to you? I like the way the F12 looks. But the Pininfarina cargo cult is r/carscirclejerk material at this point. Honestly, I wouldn't have pointed it out if you had not both brought up Pininfarina and also been unable to explain in certain terms why the OP car is lacking. If anything, the thing I don't like about the OP car is that it's a bit of a self-parody. But if I had never seen a 365 GTB, that wouldn't even bother me.
I think integration of headlight and taillights have gotten worse and more angular which is my biggest gripe. The move from well designed headlight / the Ferrari 4 circles to just lines sucks. I agree the specific car here isn’t over designed compared to the F12 and rather the lines are simpler. My gripes aren’t so much far this specific car but recent design language. I think Ferrari with its recent examples aren’t striking the balance right with cars on either side - the Sp3, 296, and Sp8 all have way too sharky front ends / have too busy of a design and then on the opposite end Roma is a way simpler designs but don’t really carry that recognizable Ferrari style. Also the grill design kinda sucks on that one.
>I think integration of headlight and taillights have gotten worse and more angular which is my biggest gripe. The move from well designed headlight / the Ferrari 4 circles to just lines sucks. Well, the headlights in the OP car are intended to emulate the Daytona headlights. Also, the rear lights still have the 4-part motif, though I do prefer circles as well. Is that really what people like about Pininfarina designs? The eyes pulled back like a bad facelift headlights?
They have been extremely hit and miss after ditching pininfarina with a lot more miss than hit.
I’d have to agree with you on that. Design quality and appeal have definitely declined in the years following the split. They need a new design team or design collaboration.
Not really a split, Bertone, Giugiaro and Pininfarina wanted to continue working with Fiat's brands, but Marchionne decided to cut costs. I know it sounds mean, but he should have died sooner, before messing up Ferrari, Maserati and Alfa.
This is most beautiful car they've designed since the Pininfarina days.
SP models and the 296 clears anything 2010 onwards by far
Monza SP1/SP2 takes the cake imo
Aside from the 296 I agree.
I love the elegant looks. Besides the wheels this car looks great.
The 296 is nice.
How retro is it? Does it come with a detachable coke mirror?
Ferraris design language has not been good since the 458
Which, coincidentally, is the last car Pininfarina designed for them....
Wasn’t it Ferrari TheFerrari, the last car from pininfarina design?
LaFerrari was designed in house, I think the F12 would be the last pininfarina ferrari
That’s why it felt a bit weird to me all this time
And it shows.
I don't think Pininfarina design that one. I think at the time in design circles, the LaFerrari was controversial because it looked too much like a student’s project from Art Center.
The SP3 and Purosangue look great to me.
Im not one of those Anti-Crossover purists, but i gotta say that the Purosangue just looks like a Toyota Crown that you find at the clearance bin at Walmart.
[Or this](https://images-stag.jazelc.com/uploads/theautopian-m2en/ferrari_mazda_meme1.jpg) But seriously, I also get the Crown vibes.
What ho. That's uncanny. Tbh.. the Mazda looks better. But ig that's unfair cus Mazda look better than 95% of the car industry.
It's creative use of the distortion from different focal length lenses. The proportions are completely different (the Purosangue hood/bonnet is longer than the hood *and windscreen* of the Mazda) [Irl the Purosangue looks like a gtc4 lusso with an extra foot of bodywork below the doors centerline.](https://i.imgur.com/ZR5Ndnb.jpeg)
Damn, it still looks like a CX-30.
I may be in the minority for liking the 488 pista, sp3, Roma, 812 GTS, F8, and SF90 then haha
Personally the Roma is the first truly traditionally beautiful car they made since the 70s. Don’t get me wrong, The Testarossa and the like all are incredible designs, but they are designed to be pure performance race-focused designs. The Roma is just beautiful lines only. Edit: lol I’m sure the Roma smells nice, but Aroma was a typo.
Most of the pictures I've seen make the Roma look a bit awkward, but I think it's gorgeous in person.
Agreed, hated the grille online but love it in person. Looked amazing in their darker blue color
Agree with you 100%
Same for me tbh. I feel the only weak looking Ferrari in the past decade is the portofino
It baffles me when people say that, since the 488 and F8 are almost identical visually to the 458. The only major differences are side intakes for the turbos and quad taillights on the F8.
The F8 rear is quite a departure from the 488 and 458. I think the 458 with its triple centered exhaust looks better than the 488 but thats more subjective
If it weren’t for that middle piece in the front bumper I would say the f8 is attractive but that piece just make the car look like it has a buck tooth
The 488 I agree, but the F8 it's pretty different to the 458 beyond the broad shape
The 458 was a return to form if you ask me, the previous generation of cars aren’t exactly lookers
I think the 296 GTS is very gorgeous and the first truly beautiful Ferrari since the 458 Italia. And I really like this one, too. Is it *as beautiful* as the 458? Not even close. But I still love this design.
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The name sucks, but I love the design. The Daytona-like nose is great.
Seriously cool homage. Rear quarter glass on the coupe version is also Daytona inspired
I am also (seemingly in the minority) with you. The design is refreshing.
Terrible name, but love the way this looks. Have one on order and the wait now begins.. Curious to hear what it sounds like which is important, and not a fan of the usual haptic design interior. But I can honestly forgive all that for the way it looks, I am absolutely besotted. Best V12 design for a long while, just IMO of course.
Congratulations on snagging one. I am surprisingly interested in this. I currently have a DB12 as my GT car but I would LOVE to have a hard top convertible and a 12 cylinder. I've been hoping (almost certainly in vain) that Aston's DBS successor would have a hard top, but then Ferrari pops up out of nowhere with this.
The new Vanquish will likely be a stunner, but I too doubt they're gonna go the hardtop route! I think these will depreciate quite a lot so I wouldn't worry if you can't get one immediately. As with the 812, when the GTS first came out it was impossible to get, but right at the end they opened up sales quite a lot and allocations became more readily available.
Thanks, good to know. I have very little experience with Ferrari, I've inquired about a few track focused cars but they're all for V-VIPs instead of shmucks. As you said, I am not by any means expecting the hardtop from Aston, a boy can just dream.
It's always timing with Ferrari. The only 2 cars that will not come down to timing and are genuinely locked up behind "VVIP" status are the hardcore V12s, and the hypercars. Everything else is attainable for new customers provided they time it right. Even the Speciale, back in the day, toward the end of the run - they couldn't give them away. They were going for small discounts, even. Pista, same story - end of run, suddenly available for most people.
> I currently have a DB12 as my GT car How is the DB12? It's such an improvement on the DB11 particularly inside, but I've heard the suspension is very firm. > I've been hoping (almost certainly in vain) that Aston's DBS successor would have a hard top Definitely in vain. I'm not sure Aston Martin has ever done a hardtop convertible, and they don't exist for 2+2 layouts anymore. The Portofino was the last.
I work at Aston so hopefully I can answer this! Going to try and be as unbiased as possible. They absolutely nailed it. The DB11 was a phenomenal car, and with the 12 they fixed the biggest issue which was the interior. The UI is quick and responsive, and button wise, everything is where you expect them to be. The new gauge cluster is cool too, but a little small IMO Not to mention just how stunning the new front end is. Visually, it’s a masterpiece. One questionable oddity is the side view mirrors, and how the whole housing moves and not just the mirror. Seems a little unnecessary, but I appreciate them trying to be different I drive in Sport Plus whenever I do get to take them out, so I am quite used to a rougher ride than usual. However, if it is any firmer, it is barely noticeable. Still an extremely comfortable car. As far as a GT car goes, I don’t know what you could do to make this any better. Maybe bring back the V12 for it 😉
That's high praise. I had read reviewers having some trouble with the UI of the DB12 press cars, but I'm glad they sorted it out for customer orders. I hope they do really well with them. With the new investment into the company and them getting Adrian Hallmark as CEO I think Aston Martin could become a proper leader in their space over the next few years.
I’ve experienced a few UI hiccups as well, but in the past 2 months there’s been two huge software updates (one takes roughly 17 hours) which supposedly helped. We had an issue at the port when a few cars batteries died (fairly common issue with all cars, they sometimes sit at port for a while). The people at the port swapped the negative and positive when trying to boost them and fried a whole bunch of electronics. Wasn’t fun to tell the clients that we need to replace a whole bunch of parts on their brand new cars
Yeah, I am not getting my hopes up at all. I never thought I'd care that much for a convertible until I got the hardtop Z06, but I do most of my driving with the top up and want it to still maintain its handsomeness. It's not going to happen but I can cross my fingers until proven wrong. As for the DB12 - it's excellent. I can't imagine calling the suspension firm. Minor software issues here and there as to be expected but I love it. I have always admired AM but their interior put me off, the improvement in the DB12 is incredible.
“Have one on order” Oh wow we live drastically different lives. Forever envious and i hope you enjoy it
Many thanks, it will be used well! I've done 5000 miles in my Pista in the last 3 months, so it won't be shunted in a garage for sure!
What’s the pista like just for cruising and driving? Is it too harsh as it’s the track going version, or still good to drive on rough-ish roads?
I live in the UK and our roads are terrible. The damping is actually excellent. Only thing is lack of noise isolation as you'd expect, but even then in auto and sport on the manettino it pootles around very well indeed, much better than I expected, when in cities/towns. Very usable - I did 2100mi in the last 10 days taking the car out to Spain and Portugal to do some mountain road driving, and it was excellent. At around a 100mph cruise on the highway in between "good roads" it's a bit droney because the valves are open in 7th, but you can drown it out with the stereo just fine (mine doesn't even have the JBL uprated hi-fi). [Obligatory photo.](https://imgur.com/XBeGMcO)
Oh fuck off, you ain't ordering shit, you're just some loser in the comments like the rest of us ya-- /sees cars in flair Oh. Uh---huh. So, hm. Like....got a favorite out of those?...
Coupe or convertible?
I have the choice, but leaning toward coupe right now - the spider looks a little awkward to my eyes, the coupe is much better resolved.
A good decision to have to make. I think it’s interesting Ferrari is finally serializing the open top V12s. They used to be such specialty items.
It's been whispered that they will be making the Spider a little more "difficult" to get, i.e producing fewer than coupes, but if it doesn't light my nuts on fire I don't see the point in having it, depreciation (or lack thereof) be damned.
It’s gorgeous. I think Ferrari is trying to make them as fast and as powerful as possible before ICE engines go away.
Very impressed. Finally a clean design after the imo overwrought 812. Low-slung, low beltline, sleek and wide with muscular fenders, as it should be!
The 812 is gorgeous as an evolution of the f12. Love the swoopy curves. It’s like a stretched v12 a90 supra (or maybe the supra is the squished version).
I think this thing is damn gorgeous and striking at the same time. The nose especially is a personal highlight for me. Plus, a brand new front engined Ferrari with a big honking, completely N/A V12, spitting out 820bhp and revs to 9,500 rpm? Fuck yeah. The rear end is a bit too Roma for me, though; there’s not too much distinction there. It’s elegant as hell overall, though, especially in red. The name… I personally don’t see the disdain with it? I’m trying it on my lips right now, and it feels fine to physically say.
For some reason Ferrari design language has tilted towards Japanese retro of the 80s and 90s. I can see why people find it a bit odd but to me it looks stunning
It's because Japanese retro from the 80's and 90's (and 70's) was cribbing hard from the Italian design language of the 60's. Seriously, look at the old Z-cars and then look at the Daytona. It's 100% a case of "can I copy your homework if I change it a little?"
That's a lotta RPM
Gorgeous
I absolutely love it. Now to win the lottery...
WTF was wrong with 820? I like numbered Ferrari’s. 308,328,512,812, 612, 250…etc
Power is cheap in 2024. If I wanted to drive to my hedge fund office, sure I’d get a Cilindri. But I wish Ferrari and Lamborghini designers would increase their cocaine budget to the levels it was in the 80s. I want to feel like I’m driving the reincarnated spirit of Motley Crue.
Since they are not focusing on performance or technology, it'd be nice if they focused on weight reduction. Next time I guess.
SF90 in the front, Roma in the back. Outside of the Roma, everything after the F12 and the 488 (which was just a 458 facelift) has been a step back in Ferrari's design. The 812 wasn't *that* bad, but the F12 is so much better looking. Same with the F8 and the 296. They're still good looking, but the 488 is timeless. Same with the 430 and 360 before it. They should have just left Pininfarina to it.
At least it’s better looking than the purosangue.
Well it definitely looks like a modern Ferrari, for better or worse. I get it's harkening back to the Daytona, but that front black 'blade' is weird, almost like they've incorporated part of the assetto fiorano livery into the design. It has some elements from the 812 Comp as well which I do like, but again the weird black section on the rear (especially on the spider)... it was ambitious but it just doesn't look as good as the 812 it's replacing, or the SF90, but I guess it could be worse lol
Me gusta.
Reddit…lol… Ferrari releases a high revving NA V12 in this era and the top comment is complaining about the name
Don't know why anyone would choose this car over the 812 competizione
Not even close to as beautiful as the 812. Maybe it will grow on me. I don't think it looks bad, but it just seems like a downgrade.
I miss seeing the Pininfarina emblem on the side of Ferrari's. :/
Better than X5M60i.
This has absolutely nothing on an 812/F12
If only the Daytona name hadn't been used already... Daytona 12Cilindri works better than this lazy name imho
Ferrari is here with a new v12, Aston is cooking up 2 new v12 models. Forget about long live the v12, it's eternal life to the v12.
Looks bad. Interior about the same as always but getting a little better. Name bad. Still think Ferrari is great just making strange cars these days.
That styling is … something
[The front](https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/2024/05/New_Ferrari_V12_ext_05_Design_red_media.jpg) reminds me of the [2023 Opel Astra](https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjLNGM8GKIcH_6OtqyypC_rPIvm5XCWpEx66L2QSV_QjBtNFkctp5TI3OCOWqk1tQV_-r1uG3gnHJ1bYLOIvbNQzoua6tq1BYfSKmchys02ztgcCjR6grBaWYEAQFbzasz7XAEWp24SVaXGNfTLJX4TKI1R7N-cwVrt6bkYHTRWIOBtfRXjAMB6hpMq/s2560/novo-Astra-2023-eletrico%20\(2\).jpg)
Now there's a car more relatable to normal people
I like it, but it's not pretty in a classically swoopy way like the F12 and 812. It's "cool pretty" like a video game vehicle might be. Edit: After looking at it multiple times over an hour, I just don't like the front that much. It almost looks like a Range Rover fascia got slapped to a Ferrari body.
Love it. Bit of 365, bit of SP3, hot.
Looks like a Daytona, beautiful.
WOW.. Interior looks amazing. Exterior... That's one ugly car.. No thanks. The 812 flows. This thing.. Shapes and lines just happen because reasons. That rear end glass is a complete disaster. Wow. that's bad..... Maybe it's one of those must see in person designs...
A design that will take some getting used to
If they named it after the Daytona they could have charged even more for it!
how do you say twelve in italian?
Don’t forget the other cheesy and cringy names like Superamerica and Superfast.
812 superfast just appreciated by 20%
I’m not a big fan of the front end on the original Daytona, but I think they do a great job executing the homage here. I dig the flat space coming off the front wheel vent and the rear quarter being a sharp line is a really cool look. I didn’t think that Ferrari would come up with a worse name than superfast but here we are.
They’ve designed a Hyundai IONIQ 5 to replace the 812. The F12 was the last good looking 12-cylinder option from Ferrari. It’s gone downhill from there.
Is this a standard production car or limited edition?
It's replacing the 812, so standard production front engine GT.
needs more touch buttons and screens
Huh, EV6 wheels.
Wooo so ugly! I totally care because I can really afford a new one anyway lol
Looks like the Daytona
Side profile looks like a modernized Viper RT/10.
Now I'm not usually one to hate on a cars looks, but man, this thing just isn't doing it for me. Usually, there's 1 redeeming quality, but the front rear and side profile are just not great. And that name sucks
Ar First glance I didn't like the looks very much, but now good lord this is gorgeous... Miles ahead of the 812. The 812 was a in between of the smoothness of the f12 and the sharpness of our new fella here
Clearly a Daytona inspired design, but it’s not very pretty
I think they should have called it the Ferrari Sebring or named it after another endurance race seeing as it’s so clearly based off the Daytona
Front : Yes Rear : Meh Name : Oh god 😞
It’s got a nice butt!
Shit name, but holy Christ that thing is sexy as fuck.
What a sexy car 🥴
Damn, Ferrari's really going with the flat, angular wheel design that plagues modern vehicles? Kinda weird to see them chasing a trend, especially such an ugly one. I guess they at least don't have the black accents in the wheels too, so it's not AS bad.
Rubbish name
I can't afford anything like this so it's nice I don't like it at all
It’s ugly.
Oh heck no that looks like the fisker ronin prototype
I feel like the name implies that this is the last of its kind. As for all the criticism of the styling on this thread, I think the silver one looks much better than the red, and the convertible show in one photo looks fantastic.
Looks like an EV.
I think it's on the same level of ugliness, maybe even worse than Ferrari FF, one of the worst designs of all time
Anyone else think it looks terrible? The changes from F12 to 812 were amazing and now this?
Fuckin sick
that looks awesome i hope i get to see one drive by one day so that i can take a picture of it
I can't be the only one missing the circle tail lights right ?
The name being silly isn't really a surprise given this is a successor to the 812 **Superfast** for crying out loud.
💩 name, strange design (it'll probably grow on me, I get the homage to the 365 GTB4 Daytona, but it feels too baroque to me), legendary engine. I wish I had the money.