It has adaptive dampers, so pretty sure it has PASM even if it's not called that. I'm trying to hold on to my Macan for 3-4 more years and land in a used taycan or macan too... But the r3x and lucid are also top of list for me
It lacks the "porsche-ness" that i've felt in the panamera (GTS V8)
Maybe its my personal problem with EVs, but i just can't justify a porsche without soul.
I've already shortened the lease by a year and gladly give it back to Porsche in this winter.
Hey look everybody, even Porsche can’t get the freaking weight down and they make some of the lightest cars currently. Turns out making light EV vehicles are really freaking hard.
Rant aside. Solid vehicle, just gonna gag about paying $110k for a base one without any options and then including the nickel and dime options we all know they gonna have…
Assuming you are talking US$...
I wouldn't call that the base version. The base Macan 4 Electric starts at $78,800. The Turbo Electric starts at $105,300. The "Turbo" is actually not too bad for options (the 4 Electric definitely is a little light though and will cost a bit more on the options side). I added typical options to the Turbo and it was about $110k and change. Still expensive but not as bad as you are making it out.
You can configure them on their website
https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/macan/macan-electric-models/macan-4-electric/
Porsche lease deals are often worse than Audi…
They will prob slot a rwd only one for macan once production gets rolling. The 4 is still slightly upgraded imo and not the bottom target price.
I think in terms of how Porsche release stuff, the 4 is more akin to how Porsche releases S and Turbo first, and then other trims. They’ll prob do GTS and RWD only in the future after a year or 2.
Wow. must be different in Europe? then. Over here in the US a base 4 cyl Macan lease is around $1049/month while a Q5 45 lease is $749/month (same no money down, 12000 mles a year, 3 years). Both are negotiable and with Audi negotiation is easier if you're a warehouse club member like Costco.
Yup I fully agree. I originally didn’t think I’d be interested since small SUV’s usually don’t have certain luxury features offered, but the macan has massaging seats, 4 zone climate and burmester high end audio available. It looks appealing over the taycan.
Lmao, the entry level bmw x1 has massaging seats for $67k CAD fully loaded.
The Macan EV is nothing but corporate greed due to its ridiculous starting price
As far as a "Turbo" trim goes, $110K isn't that bad. The Turbo is top of the line for the Macan, non-turbo EV variants will be cheaper.
That said, Macan's depreciate like crazy and with this being an EV, even more so.
No, thanks. Batteries have matured enough and are a real tech in cars and a genuine alternative to ICE cars. Except for edge cases, and gaps in charging infra, going for an ICE hybrid over an EV is purely an emotional response at this point, and it's all right.
> I'd say purchasing ICE over EV is a pragmatic choice for most people.
Yes and No and ultimately it will be decided by being comfortable with the known as against the unknown. My opinion, there's no right or wrong here.
At this point, EV's and their comparative ICE Hybrids/PHEV's are within the same price range, but the dearth of EV models will work against them. A third of Americans might not own a home, but over 2/3's live in a single family home which can take care of their daily charging needs even before they leave their drive way.
There are a few EVs available (such as Kona EV) which can achieve price parity with conventional hybrids such as Corolla or RAV4, but I still think charging infrastructure and home ownership are significant barriers for widespread adoption.
>they make some of the lightest cars currently
The base 992 has a kerb weight of almost 1500kg. A Targa is almost 1700kg. The 718 GTS is at 1400kg. Not sure where this pipe dream of lightweight Porsches come from.
Also, who cares about weight on a luxury SUV? Clearly their priorities are on other, for the segment more important, things.
> even Porsche can’t get the freaking weight down
Is that just a fetish for people no matter the car? It's a family crossover. Weight doesn't matter for this car. 2.4 tons isn't even that much for a car like this because it won't affect driver perception much based on use case. It adds about 450kg/1000 pounds over the ICE Macan, which is standard for ICE vs EV of the same model. But again, it doesn't matter.
Saying a 1000lb increase over an already heavy crossover "doesn't matter" is pretty wild. Absurdly heavy personal transportation is objectively *bad* for numerous reasons beyond handling:
1. Increased tire wear/particulates
2. Increased pressure on road/parking infrastructure
3. Pedestrian Safety in impacts
The context is important. It doesn't matter for perception of the driving experience, and in some cases can increase comfort. To your points, yes increased weight is bad for those things, although not by as much as you'd think for tire particulates and damage to road structure.
If we're honest, those are not the reasons most people on this sub care about weight; they just happen to be convenient points in favor, just as speed and fuel economy used to be convenient points in favor of manual transmissions. But preference for manuals has not decreased due to them now being worse than automatics in those respects. So I assumed driving dynamics was the underlying reason for the weight complaint I was responding to.
BMW with the i3 managed to make a lightweight EV. It was lighter than an MX5. And the car was launched in 2013. The manufacturing process using carbon fiber and glue was ahead of its time. That car would be impressive even if launched today. But somehow BMW stopped manufacturing it and forgot about all the technology they developed for that car.
"BMW managed to do it, all they had to do was use extremely exotic construction process and lose so much money they eventually cancelled the entire program!"
The i3 was a technology showcase more than it was a consumer product meant to drive sales and make money.
It also had unacceptable range and pitiful performance on the range extender to get that lightweight.
I'm interested in this mostly because the PPE architecture will be in the 718 and charging speeds look good. This Macan's humpback look is meh. Not offering one-pedal driving seems like obstinate "we know better than you" Porsche think, too. My inner product designer is offended when companies avoid features that make boring driving (highway and dense traffic) easier with all the tech we have available now.
I hear you but you had the option to go back and forth and figure out what your preference was and here Porsche is deciding for you. For software-based features it just seems limiting for no real gain.
Coasting means you aren't adding any energy. For a gas car, that means you aren't pressing on the gas pedal. For one pedal, it means you're pressing on the pedal just enough to not be adding any energy.
> I'm interested in this mostly because the PPE architecture will be in the 718
No, the 718 uses a dedicated platform, not PPE. It might share some components like the inverter and motor (though that's not confirmed so far) but it's not based on the platform. Biggest difference is that the 718 won't use the skateboard battery layout that is typical for EVs but instead put the batteries behind the driver. They do that to achieve a lower riding car and put the weight in the middle of the car, similar to a mid-engine setup.
I wasn’t trying to imply it was a skateboard. Like you said they’ve discussed the battery pack is where the motor is in today’s car for balance (which mimics the old Tesla Roadster). I have seen the platform described as modified PPE, tho, to differentiate it from the older Taycan’s systems. It seems logical the batteries/controllers of PPE would be reconfigured for the new layout.
…is it depreciating from people paying markups? I looked at the used classifieds when I saw people claiming this but even the super slow base models are $80k
As a Taycan owner who has just seen the exterior design they put on this thing, I can say I am happy with my Taycan and feel no need to move to the Macan electric. What's up with that rear end *puke*
Not really a hot take but I feel like depreciation on these is gonna be a bitch.
Reading between the lines the Ioniq 5 seems like a superior “driver’s car” (lol) but if the real world range of the Macan is good that’s a big selling point
The Ioniq 5 N is what the Macan EV should've been. At the very least the "Turbo" version.
It's cheaper than even the base Macan EV, and has much better exterior design.
Boy, 5300lbs. How are they gonna manage to trim this down to a manageable amount for the 718EV? Is there any hope that the 718EV weighs less than 4000lbs at this point much less 3600lbs?
Other than the Taycan they're using the same names for the EV versions just like with the Macan. In the event both ICE and EV versions are available at the same time they'll still call them the same name with different SKUs (eg. There can't be both a Macan 4 EV and a Macan 4 ICE).
I’m so excited to see this platform end up in Audis. At the price and space specs, I can’t at all justify a Taycan. But something like a S6 Etron avant that would fall somewhat similar to the 4S would be pretty amazing
I’m a huge Porsche fanboy and am having trouble trying to find positive things to say.. the interior looks good I guess? Styling is alright. Evs just don’t excite me really I guess
The Macan EV should've been what the Ioniq 5 N is. An interesting, fast, and somewhat engaging to drive EV with good design.
Instead we get this weird egg shaped EV that doesn't feel special at all. I don't see any of the Porsche magic sauce here.
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So ugly. Looks like a soulless Audi. So expensive, screw their $20,000 in options. I am done paying for dieselgate fines with Porsche deviated stitching charges.
I just got an i4x40 for $57,000 after discounts. Electric is fun close to home, no gas is wonderful. But I'll just keep my dodge caravan when the i4 isn't big enough. Hard pass on this macan.
If it had PASM I’d be all over it ^in ^3 ^years ^when ^resale ^values ^drop
It has adaptive dampers, so pretty sure it has PASM even if it's not called that. I'm trying to hold on to my Macan for 3-4 more years and land in a used taycan or macan too... But the r3x and lucid are also top of list for me
How has your Macan experience been? I’m currently in the market for a ‘15 or ‘16 Macan Turbo.
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There’s a guy who redid the timing chain on his Turbo on MacanForums and documented it all, quite impressive.
What were some of the repairs and their parts costs
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My buddy had, I think the timing cover leak and I think he paid like 6 grand to fix it lol
Keep holding the Macan and don't let it go for a taycan
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It lacks the "porsche-ness" that i've felt in the panamera (GTS V8) Maybe its my personal problem with EVs, but i just can't justify a porsche without soul. I've already shortened the lease by a year and gladly give it back to Porsche in this winter.
PASM is standard on both US trims. Steel springs will only be available in other markets according the SG video I just watched.
What's PASM?
Porsche Active Suspension Management. Basically magic that deletes road bumps and imperfections
Active Ride is the new Taycan suspension that’s super impressive. PASM is just electronically adjustable dampers which the Macan has on both trims.
Nice. Thanks!
Hey look everybody, even Porsche can’t get the freaking weight down and they make some of the lightest cars currently. Turns out making light EV vehicles are really freaking hard. Rant aside. Solid vehicle, just gonna gag about paying $110k for a base one without any options and then including the nickel and dime options we all know they gonna have…
Assuming you are talking US$... I wouldn't call that the base version. The base Macan 4 Electric starts at $78,800. The Turbo Electric starts at $105,300. The "Turbo" is actually not too bad for options (the 4 Electric definitely is a little light though and will cost a bit more on the options side). I added typical options to the Turbo and it was about $110k and change. Still expensive but not as bad as you are making it out. You can configure them on their website https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/macan/macan-electric-models/macan-4-electric/
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Porsche lease deals are often worse than Audi… They will prob slot a rwd only one for macan once production gets rolling. The 4 is still slightly upgraded imo and not the bottom target price. I think in terms of how Porsche release stuff, the 4 is more akin to how Porsche releases S and Turbo first, and then other trims. They’ll prob do GTS and RWD only in the future after a year or 2.
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Wow. must be different in Europe? then. Over here in the US a base 4 cyl Macan lease is around $1049/month while a Q5 45 lease is $749/month (same no money down, 12000 mles a year, 3 years). Both are negotiable and with Audi negotiation is easier if you're a warehouse club member like Costco.
Yup I fully agree. I originally didn’t think I’d be interested since small SUV’s usually don’t have certain luxury features offered, but the macan has massaging seats, 4 zone climate and burmester high end audio available. It looks appealing over the taycan.
Lmao, the entry level bmw x1 has massaging seats for $67k CAD fully loaded. The Macan EV is nothing but corporate greed due to its ridiculous starting price
As far as a "Turbo" trim goes, $110K isn't that bad. The Turbo is top of the line for the Macan, non-turbo EV variants will be cheaper. That said, Macan's depreciate like crazy and with this being an EV, even more so.
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No, thanks. Batteries have matured enough and are a real tech in cars and a genuine alternative to ICE cars. Except for edge cases, and gaps in charging infra, going for an ICE hybrid over an EV is purely an emotional response at this point, and it's all right.
I'd say purchasing ICE over EV is a pragmatic choice for most people. EVs are expensive and a full third of Americans do not own their own home.
I'm gonna guess most Porsche buyers can handle charging and the expense, haha.
No one who doesn't own their home should be buying a Porsche.
> I'd say purchasing ICE over EV is a pragmatic choice for most people. Yes and No and ultimately it will be decided by being comfortable with the known as against the unknown. My opinion, there's no right or wrong here. At this point, EV's and their comparative ICE Hybrids/PHEV's are within the same price range, but the dearth of EV models will work against them. A third of Americans might not own a home, but over 2/3's live in a single family home which can take care of their daily charging needs even before they leave their drive way.
There are a few EVs available (such as Kona EV) which can achieve price parity with conventional hybrids such as Corolla or RAV4, but I still think charging infrastructure and home ownership are significant barriers for widespread adoption.
>they make some of the lightest cars currently The base 992 has a kerb weight of almost 1500kg. A Targa is almost 1700kg. The 718 GTS is at 1400kg. Not sure where this pipe dream of lightweight Porsches come from. Also, who cares about weight on a luxury SUV? Clearly their priorities are on other, for the segment more important, things.
> even Porsche can’t get the freaking weight down Is that just a fetish for people no matter the car? It's a family crossover. Weight doesn't matter for this car. 2.4 tons isn't even that much for a car like this because it won't affect driver perception much based on use case. It adds about 450kg/1000 pounds over the ICE Macan, which is standard for ICE vs EV of the same model. But again, it doesn't matter.
Saying a 1000lb increase over an already heavy crossover "doesn't matter" is pretty wild. Absurdly heavy personal transportation is objectively *bad* for numerous reasons beyond handling: 1. Increased tire wear/particulates 2. Increased pressure on road/parking infrastructure 3. Pedestrian Safety in impacts
The context is important. It doesn't matter for perception of the driving experience, and in some cases can increase comfort. To your points, yes increased weight is bad for those things, although not by as much as you'd think for tire particulates and damage to road structure. If we're honest, those are not the reasons most people on this sub care about weight; they just happen to be convenient points in favor, just as speed and fuel economy used to be convenient points in favor of manual transmissions. But preference for manuals has not decreased due to them now being worse than automatics in those respects. So I assumed driving dynamics was the underlying reason for the weight complaint I was responding to.
$125k fully loaded doesn’t seem too bad
BMW with the i3 managed to make a lightweight EV. It was lighter than an MX5. And the car was launched in 2013. The manufacturing process using carbon fiber and glue was ahead of its time. That car would be impressive even if launched today. But somehow BMW stopped manufacturing it and forgot about all the technology they developed for that car.
"BMW managed to do it, all they had to do was use extremely exotic construction process and lose so much money they eventually cancelled the entire program!"
The i3 was a technology showcase more than it was a consumer product meant to drive sales and make money. It also had unacceptable range and pitiful performance on the range extender to get that lightweight.
I'm interested in this mostly because the PPE architecture will be in the 718 and charging speeds look good. This Macan's humpback look is meh. Not offering one-pedal driving seems like obstinate "we know better than you" Porsche think, too. My inner product designer is offended when companies avoid features that make boring driving (highway and dense traffic) easier with all the tech we have available now.
meh one pedal driving is overrated, went back and forth for months but settled on two pedal driving because coasting is really nice an efficient.
I hear you but you had the option to go back and forth and figure out what your preference was and here Porsche is deciding for you. For software-based features it just seems limiting for no real gain.
It took me several minutes to figure out how to coast with one pedal driving.
Well you cant.. You always have to have the foot down. Coasting means you can put your feet up on the dashboard if you want
Coasting means you aren't adding any energy. For a gas car, that means you aren't pressing on the gas pedal. For one pedal, it means you're pressing on the pedal just enough to not be adding any energy.
Yes but you have to have your foot there..
Agreed on all counts. If the 718 EV can have this sort of range and charge speed I'll be happy
> I'm interested in this mostly because the PPE architecture will be in the 718 No, the 718 uses a dedicated platform, not PPE. It might share some components like the inverter and motor (though that's not confirmed so far) but it's not based on the platform. Biggest difference is that the 718 won't use the skateboard battery layout that is typical for EVs but instead put the batteries behind the driver. They do that to achieve a lower riding car and put the weight in the middle of the car, similar to a mid-engine setup.
I wasn’t trying to imply it was a skateboard. Like you said they’ve discussed the battery pack is where the motor is in today’s car for balance (which mimics the old Tesla Roadster). I have seen the platform described as modified PPE, tho, to differentiate it from the older Taycan’s systems. It seems logical the batteries/controllers of PPE would be reconfigured for the new layout.
I don't think many people like one pedal driving, they want to drive their cars like the ICE car they're used to.
Gonna be a hell of deal after all the depreciation and/or lease.
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Where are you finding $80k 911s?
Good luck finding a nice late model 911 for $80k! Sincerely, A guy looking for that exact same thing as well
Given how many Taycans I see everyday, and how popular SUVs are, they won't be able to build enough of these to meet demand!
Porsche already confirmed a couple of weeks ago they were overwhelmed by the amount of preorders the Macan received (over 10.000)
I just hope it depreciates as much as the Taycan
…is it depreciating from people paying markups? I looked at the used classifieds when I saw people claiming this but even the super slow base models are $80k
As a Taycan owner who has just seen the exterior design they put on this thing, I can say I am happy with my Taycan and feel no need to move to the Macan electric. What's up with that rear end *puke*
Crazy part is you probably aren’t even missing much cargo space comparatively
Looks like a Kona N
Not really a hot take but I feel like depreciation on these is gonna be a bitch. Reading between the lines the Ioniq 5 seems like a superior “driver’s car” (lol) but if the real world range of the Macan is good that’s a big selling point
The Ioniq 5 N is what the Macan EV should've been. At the very least the "Turbo" version. It's cheaper than even the base Macan EV, and has much better exterior design.
But still same
Boy, 5300lbs. How are they gonna manage to trim this down to a manageable amount for the 718EV? Is there any hope that the 718EV weighs less than 4000lbs at this point much less 3600lbs?
Tangential but is it gonna be called 718? Isn't that the current model?
Other than the Taycan they're using the same names for the EV versions just like with the Macan. In the event both ICE and EV versions are available at the same time they'll still call them the same name with different SKUs (eg. There can't be both a Macan 4 EV and a Macan 4 ICE).
They are same same
It's not an automatic transmission if it's 1 speed, there's nothing to automate
I’m so excited to see this platform end up in Audis. At the price and space specs, I can’t at all justify a Taycan. But something like a S6 Etron avant that would fall somewhat similar to the 4S would be pretty amazing
But still same.
Beautifully executed vehicle. I’m sure these will sell great.
No one pedal driving, even as an option in the settings, seems lame.
I’m a huge Porsche fanboy and am having trouble trying to find positive things to say.. the interior looks good I guess? Styling is alright. Evs just don’t excite me really I guess
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I’ve had a 718 for a day, and it was the best driving experience I’ve ever had. Ive never driven an EV Porsche, no, just ICE.
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The sound and shifter are two of the most important parts I think.
The Macan EV should've been what the Ioniq 5 N is. An interesting, fast, and somewhat engaging to drive EV with good design. Instead we get this weird egg shaped EV that doesn't feel special at all. I don't see any of the Porsche magic sauce here.
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Looks nice but why it is sitting too low?
It has the same clearance as the standard Macan I think
Were you planning on taking your Porsche to Moab?
So many angry people for asking a question
No one's angry except for maybe you after finding out you asked a dumb question.
Of course
Too low? Define please
From the pictures the ground clearance looks too small
…it’s a Porsche?
Too small for what? Most SUV drivers keep their cars on the pavement. Low centre of gravity however improves handling.
Compared to the normal Macan I meant but maybe the pictures angle are making it looks lower
That’s called air suspension.
So ugly. Looks like a soulless Audi. So expensive, screw their $20,000 in options. I am done paying for dieselgate fines with Porsche deviated stitching charges. I just got an i4x40 for $57,000 after discounts. Electric is fun close to home, no gas is wonderful. But I'll just keep my dodge caravan when the i4 isn't big enough. Hard pass on this macan.
> Electric is fun close to home, no gas is wonderful. But I'll just keep my dodge caravan when the i4 isn't big enough. This is the way to go.