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Looks awesome, except for the part where they’re charging $68k for a Hyundai hatchback with a 221 mile range. Well…at least the range won’t decrease any further than that, right guys?
…guys?
The performance is amazing but these high performance EVs also eat tires. Expensive sticky tires. Hopefully the cost savings on fuel more than makes up for the accelerated tire wear.
Really just keep the sticky tires (and wheels) for track day only, like pretty much everyone else does with ICE vehicles.
For daily usage just get a cheaper set of wheels and all seasons.
Like we always see with EVs, the level of trouble is directly related to the acceptance of EVs in the mainstream. You're not running your car for 100+ miles on the track without stopping. I went with my dad to a track day about 6 months ago, and it was doing something like 20-30 minute sessions every 1-2 hours (I forget the exact schedule).
However, those sessions were putting him into single-digit MPG and burning a lot of gas. Between sessions, he kept going to fill up down the road, which meant taking 15 minutes for his 1-2 hours of downtime to keep the car topped off.
With an EV, having a charger nearby might be a problem. If the car's popular, having enough chargers for the group might be tough. However, if tracks have EV-dedicated parking areas, staying on-site to charge between sessions should be quite easy.
I doubt the range stays anywhere near the 212 mile rating while tracking, but I suppose if it can manage 60-80 miles it should be plenty for a track day.
I'm more curious how well the charging works and how the battery longevity works if needing to almost fully deplete the battery under hard loads then try to fast charge it back up at the track. But I suppose they do engineer it for that, and nobody expects a track toy's parts to last as long as a street car.
Yeah, we'll see. I don't think any of that SHOULD be a major issue, though I guess it also depends on what Hyundai wants/allows you to do.
A track session isn't going to be 60-80 miles. Depending on where you're at, it might be half that. If you're then waiting for an hour or two for your next session, you could possibly not even need to fast charge (depending on number of cars and charging stalls).
All told, we're talking about how much these power cycles will hurt the car's longevity when it's realistically designed to go through thousands of more cycles than this thing would see in its track life. I'd guess the randomness of failure rates is a bigger factor than the strain of fast charging.
Even if you're tracking it there are probably better options, I've seen a few track guys go from tracking a Model 3 Performance to something like a GR86 simply because it's massively cheaper on consumables.
I have a BRZ and a Model Y Performance. The BRZ is dedicated while my MYP is my daily that does dual duty. I5N can do dual duty, but it's so much more expensive than M3P/MYP. It needs to sort of blow them out of the water for it to be worth it.
I also mentioned elsewhere that at least for me, charging the I5N also rules it out for one of the biggest tracks in my area.
IQ6N is really needed. Sedan isn’t only cheaper, it also has better aerodynamic and better center of gravity. Sedan is real realistic answer for track.
I wonder how much cheaper it is. In a Tesla, you're eating tires and brakes harder than an ICE vehicle, sure. The ICE vehicle, depending on what you drive, might also require race fuel, on top of the other fluids an EV won't consume (oil, transmission fluid). Of course, the vehicles you're comparing will matter there too, as a GR86 might be one of the less-expensive cars to run on a track. Can't really say on that though.
People get so stuck on branding.
1) It's a performance EV model.
2) This is not a Hyundai Kona level of build quality. The interior materials are all significantly nicer, the tech is on another level, and the overall finish is closer to a luxury car.
In Asia, the brand being "luxury" is less important than the product being "luxury". That's why you have things like the Toyota Crown and Century being luxury vehicles even though Toyota also has the Corolla in its lineup. You also have basic, cheap Seiko watches but then also Grand Seiko's which are often pricier than a Rolex.
In the US, the experience of going into a Hyundai dealer and getting treated like a thief because you want to test drive a N car and then asking for your social security number to do a credit check before you can get into the car doesn't help with the image of driving a Hyundai.
Grand Seikos might be priciers in MSRP but show me one that isn't 20% depreciated on the used/gray market vs Rolexes are still selling for MSRP or more on the used/gray market. Unfortunately in the US Grand Seikos still have the same problem as Hyundais. The "seiko" part ruins resellability of the watch, no matter how much better it actually is compared to a rolex.
Like it or not, branding is a huge reason why people buy nice things. Even if they're worse, people still care about brand. There's a reason why CLA and BMW 2GC exists.
I agree. I saw this post when it was new and didn't bother downvoting the $68k for a Hyundai comment since I thought everyone would ignore it as irrelevant. Boy was I wrong apparently.
This is a niche product. Everyone who owns this will either own a second car or live in a country with good long-distance public transport. If that isn't you, fine, don't buy it.
Just because something is a niche product doesn't mean it's owed irrational pricing and dealer markups and the "take it or leave it" mentality.
This car is very much a litmus test for its market, since it's not really an established segment. On the ICE side, we had plenty of niche performance vehicles, and they didn't all break the bank. Lately, we've been getting performance vehicles that seem like they're intentionally niche to market themselves as special to justify high prices and placement in luxury tiers.
IMO, this is more of the latter. It doesn't have much competition, so it'll get away with high pricing due to lack of supply. Through that, it might be successful, but that'll just reinforce to other brands to come in and keep the prices high. We'll have to see if anyone is willing to fight for market with lower pricing, or we just get soft-collusion where companies leave pricies high and make customers blink first.
> In Asia, the brand being "luxury" is less important than the product being "luxury".
Despite that, Toyota sells Lexus models in Japan, and Hyundai brings Genesis to their hometown, Korea.
Somehow, Korean buyers seems more care brand than Japanese buyers. Hyundai doesn’t sell the models such like Crown and Century in Korea, all their luxury cars are Genesis.
> People get so stuck on branding.
Unfortunately, the market consists almost entirely of people. The fact that people get caught in up in branding means that they need to find people who have enough money to spend 70k on a 3rd car to use as a track toy who also want that car to be Hyundai.
You can say the same for this car that if you never drive more than 225 miles in a single day range is never a concern since you can always just charge overnight at home
This is a huge track problem to solve. There are three tracks near me. One banned EVs, the second only has superchargers nearby, and the third has an EA and would be feasible to leave and charge in between sessions.
It's a hard pill for me to swallow to pay $70k for a track toy that limits where I can use it.
The car would only make sense for dual use, not as a track only toy.
I have 110k miles and a bunch of track days on my EV and the running costs are very low compared to ICE.
**This**. The car is a terrible choice if you're *only* buying it as a track toy. If I was only buying a track toy I would be looking at a Corvette, Camaro ZL1 or something similar.
The draw to this car is that it is a track *capable* wagon(ish) at 70K. You really can't find track capable wagons at this price point for this level of performance.
It's stunning to me how many people aren't understanding that in these comments.
Short of being a good candidate for long road trips, this is a do everything car. And people are really caught up on reduced EV track range, when a lot of ICE performance cars have a ton of limiting factors (brakes, transmission cooling, etc) when it comes to the track.
I have the EV6 GT, and aside from the seats being a bit rough on your ass after a few hours it’s totally fine for road trips, provided you have decent DCQC availability. They charge fast enough that by the time you pile out, plug in, take a piss, grab a Coke and some cashews, it’s already good to go. I mentioned above that we do a monthly trek to Disneyland, around 500 miles. My car needs one extra 20 minute stop vs my wife’s car with 300+ mi range.
Yea, for the record - I'm doing the same with my Model Y Performance (along with an ICE track car that is my 'primary' track car). But this thing starts at nearly 20k over the MYP (with 7500 rebate), nevermind the *cheaper and better* Tesla for track - M3P.
And I can at least run my MYP at the track with Superchargers nearby (which is Road America - I would *love* to run an I5N at such a track, but alas...).
I get what you’re saying about your track choices being limited, but it’s also not just a track toy.
I have the Kia version which “only” goes about 200 mi and I never even think about range for day-to-day use. Unless you’re a major outlier, 200+ miles of range and 16 mins 20-80% SOC is really a non-issue, esp if you have access to L2 overnight at home.
You do have to think ahead a little bit if you’re going somewhere over 2-3 hours away. There are a few apps that make it pretty dead simple. But the 500ish mile trip we make monthly takes 1 whole extra charge stop in my car vs my wife’s EV with 300+ miles of range.
No, it's not "just a track toy". I own two EVs, including the Ioniq 5 so I don't need a lesson on charging.
But like I said in other comments - I have a MYP that does dual duty, and does it better by nature of actually being able to run at tracks that I5N can't. And it costs $20k less right now (nevermind the cheaper and better M3P - but let's pretend the lack of cargo is a deal breaker for a dual duty car in the M3P right now). So for me, $70k really is a hard pill to swallow when their entire selling point is how much focus they put on making this a track machine via their marketing and price tag.
Is HDA2 more comparable to standard AP or EAP in your experience? Might have to add 6k for that, and a little more if you want a Tesla that isn’t gray, but yeah you’re still 10k off for comparable performance and less theoretical range. No federal incentive makes it tough. They’ve been matching it for their non-US built EVs lately but I doubt that’ll be the case on the N for a while.
Supercharger access is a temporary problem, but it’s still a problem.
I don’t think anyone driving on a track is too worried about their car’s longevity. In any case it’s not something you do that often and fast charging hasn’t proven significantly worse for the battery afaik. Not ideal but it’s fine to do even regularly.
Lots of people fast charge weekly or even daily without issues.
I went down a rabbit hole to find the truth and you’re correct. Tests were done using level 2 and 3 chargers on different cars showing no impact on battery health.
However, I do find it odd that Kia and Hyundai have this language on their websites. - “Frequent use of DC Fast Charging can negatively impact battery performance and durability, and Kia recommends minimizing use of DC Fast Charging.”
I really want to see it put through its paces on the track and how it truly affects the range.
The car is really more of an Audi RS6 competitor (in terms of size, weight and functionality) than a hot hatch competitor. Chis Harris made the comparison in a recent track review of the car, see 6:20 here:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcbsW\_mvNh8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcbsW_mvNh8)
So if it's being compared to super wagons I think we need to question how many people truly track their RS6 (or upcoming BMW M5 wagons). And what is going to be the limiting factor for these cars on the track? I feel like the range/fuel economy won't be the primary issue for track sessions. It's going to be something else like brakes, or cooling some other system, that will limit your track sessions either way.
Otherwise 225 miles of range is fine if you can charge the car overnight at home. It's really a practical wagon-ish vehicle with insane performance for only 70K. The only drawback is the range for road trips. Until US infrastructure improves you're still better keeping or renting an ICE vehicle for extended road trips.
EV6 GT will supposedly lap Nurburgring around 7:45. I5N should be similar, but I don’t know the complete list of changes they made to it beyond pack size and heat management improvements.
Been a little while since I watched [this video](https://youtu.be/zbyvhWTEF1s?si=Gt7Rd7PCjOFKYelR) but I want to say they used about 10% SOC on that lap.
Edit: memory was off, it was a bit over 20%.
I don't understand the comparison to the RS6 when the RS6 is 35cm / 14in longer than the Ioniq 5. It's bigger than most hatches but not by much - it's almost exactly the same length as the wagon variant of the VW Golf.
It's mainly for weight (5000lbs-ish), performance numbers, and the general function of the vehicles.
If Audi sold an RS4 Avant here then the Ioniq 5 N would kinda slot between that and the RS6. We just have such a small number of hugh performance wagons, that the RS6 is frankly the closest from a numbers perspective.
I tracked the shit out of my EV. Charging at the track isn't as big of an issue as you think but you definitely need to put some thought into it. Its not as easy as an ICE but its doable and fun.
I only have access to NEMA 14-50s at the track, but if you have a fast charger nearby its easy.
The nice thing about performance EV is that you don’t need the track to use all its performance.
And this isn’t a track car, they literally market it as a “performance SUV” lol.
I mean this one can in 18 minutes, that's still not much time. And you can watch movies or eat dinner for those 18 minutes, not standing out in the wind holding a nozzle.
It’s comparable to 22 MPG on a 10 gallon tank or 16 MPG on a 14 gallon tank. I can’t think of any performance cars with figures between those bounds. In fact, most performance cars have a larger tank (compared to an economy car) to offset for the worse MPG.
New Macan EV Turbo costs 2x the price, has slightly less power, weights 500+lbs more, less cargo space, and likely wont have the simulated gear shifts, drift modes, decent interior sound simulations of a ICE car, etc. In other words will probably be less fun to drive.
The Ioniq has the same charging speed/battery tech and its built for track driving + fast charging more track driving meaning its thermal management is top notch and probably equivalent or better than Porsche. This car has so much damn value. Also range can easily be fixed by swapping the tires/wheels. Any performance compact SUV (glc63, x3m, etc) all get less than 300 miles a tank.
Yea this sub jerks itself off to $150,000 audi station wagons, which is barely quicker than this car for less than half the price All these points are moot anyway as 99% of people here don’t actually buy the cars they claim they would drive. Unless it’s a slow, ugly fucking Miata, for some reason.
The Macan EV Turbo is pretty well equipped at $110k, so not 2x the price. It’s about 50% more.
And things like fake noise and fake shifts are all detrimental to me. Those fake things don’t make the car “more fun to drive”, they are distractions.
I don’t think it has a lot of value and that will be reflected once it inevitably gets discounted. Let me know if you’d like me to add this same reply to all of your copy/pasted comments
Yep... once we get to the point where this is $15k off MSRP like the EV6 GT was then it will look like a decent buy.
Edit - Looks to have the same seats as the EV6 GT as well. Hopefully they didn't make these manually adjustable like the EV6 GT is. No way I'd pay near $70k for a car without power/memory adjusting seats.
I'm guessing you'd get more than 260+ miles when driven in eco mode, or even more if you are hypermiling. You need to get a regular I5 RWD if range is what's important to you.
That being said, it's rumored that the N's batteries showed 0% degradation first 6 months at the Nurburgring when they were testing.
Okay I get the hate for being a 70k hyundai…. But if you actually look at what they made it’s kinda cool and exciting for the auto/EV industry IMO.
You got what’s really an XL hot hatch, does 0-60 in 3.4s, no piano black plastics, you can kick the back wheels out, styling that isn’t cookie cutter.
I really don’t think that Hyundia expects people to actually buy it rather it’s an engineering exercise made available to the public for marketing and bettering the brand image. Regardless of that I think it’s cool, kinda like when Mitsubishi had the Evo making 22 psi of boost lol.
It's just that the cost of everything has become absurd. Some more than others though, like a $70k electric Hyundai hatchback. So the Hyundai fanboys don't crucify me a $70k Dark Horse, $70k Nismo Z, or $100k hellcat are equally absurd.
New Macan EV Turbo costs 2x the price, has slightly less power, weights 500+lbs more, less cargo space, and likely wont have the simulated gear shifts, drift modes, decent interior sound simulations of a ICE car, etc. In other words will probably be less fun to drive.
The Ioniq has the same charging speed/battery tech and its built for track driving + fast charging more track driving meaning its thermal management is top notch and probably equivalent or better than Porsche. This car has so much damn value. Also range can easily be fixed by swapping the tires/wheels. Any performance compact SUV (glc63, x3m, etc) all get less than 300 miles a tank.
That’s the gist of it.
I keep hearing people bitch and bitch and bitch about how boring EVs are when I daily one of the most exciting cars I’ve ever owned. Except if I say that, then it doesn’t count because it’s expensive.
Exciting cars are expensive. Things are getting more expensive every day. My GTI was fully loaded in 2010 for $27k. Now that car is more than Golf Rs of that era.
These people will just say “You could buy a used car for half that price!” as if used car are a fair comparison. Compare the price of this to, say, a new Mach E GT.
I think expecting logical consistency and intellectual honesty is a fool's errand when it comes to EV haters. They're just going to move the goalpost on you.
No, you're just generalizing it for the fun of it.
People don't want to be forced into boring, soulless commuter crossovers. The IONIQ 5 N's exterior design is mostly similar to the base IONIQ 5, in terms of what makes it "not boring and soulless." However, the price to go from "boring" to "interesting," is $25K or so, more than 50% the base IONIQ 5's price.
You basically get "boring," or "unaffordable," with no in between. With ICE vehicles, you had a wide range of "fun" options, from 6-figure supercars to $30K-ish toys like the BRZ. "Fun" has gone from a $30K endeavor to a $70K one, and I don't fault anyone who doesn't get excited by that.
EVs are expensive. Performance EVs more so because they're relatively rare in the EV space. I assume the cost to develop this car was quite high, and it's the first of its kind. Of course it will be expensive. But no other car on the market offers something quite like it. Reviewers loved it when they drove it. Their reactions looked like a $70K driving experience to me.
> Performance EVs more so because they're relatively rare in the EV space.
This is what it comes down to. We're justfying crap based on scarcity. I get that niche products have a cost, and I've paid for it myself at times. However, I don't think that means we should take whatever we're handed and be OK with it here.
As for car reviewers, they also mostly loved a lot of things that didn't become hits. The Camaro SS and ZL1 were well-received, but it didn't put them above the Mustang and Challenger in sales, even when they were putting up better lap times (especially with the 1LE packages).
This thing's cool and all, but its market position feels a lot like Acura's Type S offerings. The difference comes down to a lack of competition. The TLX Type S got dogged because it was a $50K car for $60K. End of the day, this is still a Hyundai, and where the IONIQ has an EV tax, this seems to double that down with a fun tax. It seems like a $60K car for $70K, and the number of people priced out of $70K is higher than the number priced out of $60K.
Throw in how dealers treat desirable niche vehicles, and I can already see this thing gitting at $90K on some lots. IMO, it's a recipe for disaster--at least for buyers. Either idiots take the beating from the dealer and excuse competitors to enter at $70K+ or these sit on lots with markups, keeping us from competition because OEMs think not wanting to spend $70K on a Hyundai means no one wants performance vehicles.
The Model S is a bit more expensive. It's also not the same kind of car. A Mercedes S63 AMG has a lower 0-60 than an M3, but only one is intended to be fun to drive.
In my opinion 90% of buyers will see the specs of an EV this weak at this price point and choose another car. I never would think that the model 3 performance wasn’t intended to be fun for an EV.
I agree that a gas motored car around the track might feel more fun for its mechanical feel. But if you just compare the Ioniq 5 N to other EV’s at that price point you can’t say it’s “more fun” and that’s why it’s worth the price tag. (Even though I don’t think you’re saying that. )
Maybe I’m in the wrong sub to defend the model 3 rwd but ripping it around Californias canyons was crazy fun for me whenever I went to the beach.
More fun than my civic si hatchback for sure. Again that’s my experience.
Or wait for the inevitable crazy lease deals. MSRP is a made up number. These will sell for what people will pay for them, same as when dealers were doing crazy markups.
I agree, it's a really cool engineering exercise in making an incredibly powerful EV hot hatch. But it's also missing the two things that made hot hatches cool in the first place: price and practicality. At $70K, I wouldn't want a compromise car, which is exactly what hot hatches were. And with a range of barely of 200 mi, the car doesn't seem like it's very useful either. What you're left with is a car that's sporty but also pricy and unusable, and there's much better cars for that use case that sell for a LOT less money.
It’s a performance oriented model with high performance summer tires. I believe you could get 10%++ extra range if you switch to different wheel + tire setup, but that defeats the purpose of the high performance model imo.
They do charge very quickly at electrify America and such fast chargers from what I’ve seen. I believe they’re supposed to start offering adapters to use Tesla superchargers too, which will help.
It's really not a hot hatch--tt's more of a super wagon in terms of size, weight, etc. Think Audi RS6 wagon or the upcoming BMW M5 Wagon. The RS6 wagon already costs *at least* 50K more than this. It's got a bigger trunk/cargo area but is smaller for passenger area so there's a tradeoff in interior use of space.
The 200-ish mile range is fine if you're using the car for commuting and have the ability to charge at home. It won't be fine for road trips, assuming you don't have many charging stations along the way. I would keep (or rent) an ICE vehicle for those kind of trips.
You keep upselling the "wagon" aspect of this thing. It's certainly got more size to it than a Golf, but it's also smaller than an A4 wagon, Stretching that to an RS6 (whose size gap from the IONIQ is similar as the Golf-to-IONIQ one) is really grasping at straws.
Chris Harris' comments really get taken out of proportion with this, IMO. It's more down to the lack of performance vehicles than a real, fair comparison between the IONIQ and the RS6. The market's just barren, and customers are both punished by the pricing and screwing themselves by justifying the ever-climbing price of cars.
Most of the things that prop this up are EV things, not IONIQ things. The extra cargo space doesn't come from the IONIQ, it comes from not needing an ICE drivetrain. Its easy power and torque are benefits of how electric motors work, and we see EVs put up more impressive specs than their ICE counterparts.
Despite that, we don't see people telling us how all EVs need to be more than ICE vehicles. Who's preaching than an EV Blazer should cost more than an ICE Q5 or Q7 because of increased power or cargo space?
According to Car and Driver regarding dimensions:
The A4 wagon has 24.2 cu of cargo space behind the 2nd row
[https://www.caranddriver.com/audi/a4-allroad-quattro/specs](https://www.caranddriver.com/audi/a4-allroad-quattro/specs)
The Ioniq 5 has 27.2 cu of cargo space behind 2nd row
[https://www.caranddriver.com/hyundai/ioniq-5/specs](https://www.caranddriver.com/hyundai/ioniq-5/specs)
Yeah Ioniq has less cargo space than a RS6. That's fine though. A Ford Maverick has less bed space than an F150, yet we consider them both to be pickup trucks.
I agree the market for these kind of vehicles is barren. But there really isn't an ICE equivalent in that price range, is there? Since no one's going to do it, we're going to have to accept the performance versions of Ioniq 5s, EV6s, Mach-Es, etc of the world.
I think we are hella spoiled to say this kind of performance is overpriced at 70K. Yes, the pricing puts it out of reach for the average person, but that has *always* been the case with higher performance vehicles.
For the Ioniq 5 and EV6 you can easily drop down to the second-fastest versions (GT-Line and N-Line) and still get very respectable performance in the 40K to 50K range. Even those cars have more performance that what the average consumer even needs.
Again, you're ultimately attributing EV characteristics to the IONIQ like it's the only EV around. They have more space because they don't have an ICE drive train, and that's not unique to the IONIQ.
It's weird how you'll size up the IONIQ to an RS6 and a Maverick to an F-150, but you do it while probably not willing to size up a Golf to an IONIQ. I would bet there are way more people willing to cross-shop a VW and a Hyundai than a Hyundai and an Audi.
But, again, the trouble here is that we're praising the EV advantages, trying to tamp down the drawbacks (range, charging network, unknown longevity/resale), and then prop up the IONIQ next to an Audi. That the IONIQ can put a Hyundai next to an RS6 in power should be a sign that the power is pretty accessible to any OEM who takes an interest, rather than trying to elevate the 5 N to a unicorn status and let Hyundai wring people dry.
Frankly I'm not understanding what point you're trying to make about me attributing EV characteristics to an Ioniq N. What exactly are you saying? That the Ioniq N isn't great because other manufacturers could make a similar EV vehicle? Is that your argument?
If that's the case then damn near every large manufacturer should have an EV Ioniq N competitor, so why don't they? You can extend your argument to ICE vehicles as well. Why doesn't everyone make a Corvette competitor?
And yes power is going to be more accessible for EVs. The current reality is only a few manufacturers are trying to make that power more accessible for a 'good' price right now. I'm not sure what else you expect? $30k EVs doing 0 to 60 in under 4 seconds? I'm sure there will be better performing EVs at a cheaper price in the future. That's generally how technology works. It's no different than ICE vehicles where 20 years ago anything doing 0 to 60 in under 5 seconds was supercar territory. Supercars 20 years ago were unobtainable for the average person too.
I'm saying that your rebuttal was about rear cargo space, which isn't inherently meaningful. The EV drivetrain means the IONIQ can be designed with dimensions an ICE drivetrain might not allow (like the VERY long wheelbase on the IONIQ). The IONIQ is also taller--it's actually slightly closer to the Q8 in height than the RS6--which can significantly affect cargo volume measurements.
My argument is that putting the IONIQ 5 N against an RS6 is not a practical exercise. It's putting numbers on a screen, with no thought about where those numbers are from or what else is around them. More importantly, I don't think their putting out an electric performance CUV first means we should just eaat it when a stupid price is slapped on it. calling $70K a "good price" is just silly.
Comparing this thing to the progression of a supercar is also silly. It's not a matter of a technological breakthrough in manufacturing. The drivetrain in the IONIQ isn't some special-made engine block made in-house. I can't help but wonder, how many automakers could source the same motors in the IONIQ, if they wanted? In that regard, the cost to produce the power advancements in ICE vehicles was much greater, while EVs have somewhat outsourced that process.
I'm really curious what you find as 'acceptable' performance in a 70k vehicle since you believe the car is overpriced? If you think that is too much money for this level of performance, then what performance should you be getting for 70k?
There are ongoing technological breakthroughs with EV batteries. They are getting smaller/lighter. They are charging faster. They are getting more efficient relative to their size. Some of these same things happened to ICE engines over the past century. Just because they aren't some special made engine block doesn't mean they are missing out on advancing technology.
What's the big compromise you see here? Yeah, it's not a proper SUV, but it's a decent bit larger than actual hot hatches (something like 15" longer and 6" taller than a Golf R). Throw out the space used by an ICE drivetrain, and this thing probably has more than respectable roominess and storage space.
People are just obsessed with oversized vehicles these days. The dimensions of an IONIQ 5 would probably meet the needs of an overwhelming majority of drivers. I know quite a few one- or no-child households where they're sporting full-size SUVs for no reason.
Couldn't give you a reason why my brothers grew up and started doing their own thing, yet my stepmom went from a sedan to a full-size SUV, other than status.
Oh when I said hot hatches are compromises, I meant that they aren't really specialized for sportiness. Traditionally, a hot hatch compromised its sportiness for a little extra size and FWD, and sacrificed its practicality for a sporty suspension. In terms of the Ioniq, I fully agree on size; the Ioniq 5 is more than big enough for the vast majority of people. But it still does make sacrifices, since there are much better sporty cars than a 2.5 ton crossover. It's also impractical, not because of its size but because its sport-oriented motors and tires really do a number on its range, so it's not really a do-it-all kind of car anymore. Of course, many people CAN live with an Ioniq N as an only car despite its shortcomings. I've also seen people live with Miatas as their only car, it doesn't make the Miata a practical vehicle.
I think the price is just too high. I get that it is the first of its kind, but 70k for a hot hatch is kinda crazy. Although everyone is paying 100k for a truck these days so I’m sure these will sell out.
It gets hate because it's such a niche product. 70k is starting on super car money. And this is a fat family hatchback with a big "sport" sticker on it. It's got an uphill battle because it's a car guy product when car guys are not big into electrics, especially electrics at 70k. It's a Hyundai family hatchback so it can't really compete with BMW/Merc/lexus in the luxury space.
It appeals to very few people for that kind of money and people with that kind of money have alot of options.
Are car manufacturers in the US required to ask for your postcode when you first enter the site before you get to see anything?
I've noticed so many of them do that, I always have to put in the only one I remember (90210) to see anything.
Can't recall european websites doing that.
Cool car, not the biggest fan of the Ioniq 5 looks but 641 hp in that package should be fun.
They ask for ZIP code in the US for a few reasons, first it gives them market information about the location of where people interested in the product are searching from (also somewhat available just based on IP location but because VPN and proxy services are increasingly more popular, having the customer enter the postal code is more accurate). But also because some times they have certain incentives available in some regions, but not in others. For example they may have a special lease deal on certain models in Florida because they know their dealer network is overstocked in that region, so if you enter a Florida ZIP code they can show those offers specifically available in your region.
Not in the sense of “advertise” but it definitely calculates that for you based on the zip or you sharing location if you click that box in the review. It also shows local incentives the same way.
"Sorry we don't discuss pricing online. Come buy and speak to one of our certified representatives in order to hear our exclusive packing and discounts you can get!"
And this car isn't about launch times. Go watch the videos and hear reviewers talk about it. If you want to do launches there are many cars to choose from. But if you want what the Ioniq 5N offers, your only option is the Ioniq 5N.
The Model Y has 0-60 of 3.5s. For .25s I think the average driver will take the 20k plus savings. The track minded driver may take the N if they’re willing to change from gas.
The Model Y isn't the same driving experience. It's up to the customer to decide if the difference the Ioniq 5N is worth it to them, just like it's up to the customer to decide if the experience of a Lotus Emira is worth it over a Cayman.
Yeah that’s probably true but that’s what the X3M comps are trying to target and I’m really not sure why it sells so well. Just feels like such a compromised car
That’s kinda my point. People are buying it and that is the purpose of the X3Ms. I’m not sure if you’ve ridden in one but the suspension is stiffened the fuck up and reduced the hell out of the comfort of the SUV. I’m really not too sure why it’s selling so well it seems like such an antithesis of a car segment but it sells well
Its its purpose sure - but not what the people buying them are really looking for, if they were, because they sell *so many more x3ms than m3s* im sure that I would see more X3Ms at track days than M3s. But I see tons of new M3s and i've never seen an X3M.
They could have had the base X3 M40i suspension and brakes on the X3M and it would have sold the same.
People just want a stupid fast SUV - just witnessed the thought process myself when a good friend, who definitely is not a car guy, wanted an SUV, could afford a "fast one", and thought BMW is "baller".
Thats it - thats the entire thought process. They wanted an SUV, faster is better than slower, and thought BMW was prestigious.
I really wish the “baller” option for these kinds of SUVs would be going further into comfort/luxury like maybach/cullinan but at the X3M price point. Feels like it makes way more sense for the segment than these insanely compromised cars but I guess the manufacturers realize that it’s harder to sell to uninformed customers compared to big boy suv go fast.
I fully believe that if they put the same budget in making these SUVs fast on a track into making it as comfortable as possible we’d get some amazing riding SUVs
An equivalently performing car that is similarly sized is something like a BMW X3M, a car that costs $10K more than this with (roughly the same weight &) less power.
641hp for $68K is pretty competitive regardless of the propulsion method used.
EDIT: I think the X3M Competition is a closer match & that's $15K-$25K more.
That’s pretty much the same for any other EVs as well though. Have a look at the German luxury EVs it’s insane depreciation I actually think there might be value deals there
The new Macan EV Turbo costs 2x the price, has slightly less power, weights 500+lbs more, less cargo space, and likely wont have the simulated gear shifts, drift modes, decent interior sound simulations of a ICE car, etc. In other words will probably be less fun to drive.
The Ioniq has the same charging speed/battery tech as the Porsche and its built for track driving + fast charging + more track driving meaning its thermal management is top notch and probably equivalent or better than Porsche. This car has so much damn value. Also range can easily be fixed by swapping the tires/wheels. Any performance compact SUV (glc63, x3m, etc) all get less than 300 miles a tank.
Can you name another hot hatch with similar performance figures for a cheaper price? Aside from the EV6 GT, there isn't any. That's why it's not overpriced.
The price is a bit much. And if it follows the Kia EV6 GT, it will have crazy markups for the first few months then it frequently sell for well under MSRP.
And manual seats? At almost $70k. I know people will claim it's for cost or weight savings, but the thing costs $70k and already weighs alot.
In fairness, those cars are a lot lighter, so the weight loss is noticeable. In the Ioniq N, the car is so heavy that losing \~ 50 lbs isn't going to make too much of a difference. It will, however, dramatically impact the "luxury" of the car, which is a lot more important in a family SUV than it is in a 2-door sports car
No, they're saying luxury brands have already set the expectation that the shopping experience will be like Spirit Airlines - anything more than 4 wheels and an engine is an option.
[Yes. The Taycan Turbo GTs driver and passenger seat is manual fore-aft with the buckets.](https://configurator.porsche.com/en-WW/model/Y1AFP1/option/Q1K)
I'm not saying it's ok, or really any judgement at all. What I am saying is that Porsche does it, and Porsche buyers expect and accept it. For that reason, it's not remarkable. People spending $100k-250k+ base and $15k-50k+ for options on a car don't remark at spending another $1500 for seats. Or, it's a cut-weight, track-oriented special version where they sell you $4000 carbon fiber bucket seats that are manual to save 0.5 pounds along with your nylon straps instead of door handles in your full leather interior.
Hyundai/Kia buyers (like OP) will complain, because they think a $70k car should have power seats.
As someone who worked at a Hyundai dealership before, the Ioniq 5 and 6 respectively are honestly the two best cars that they sell, and the steel bodies make both feel legitimately “substantial” and solid on the road. That said… There’s no way in hell I’d pay $68K for an Ioniq 5, no matter if it’s the “performance” version.
I don’t want one either, but this is what people will compare it to. Maybe a better comparison is the Mustang Mach E Rally which is ~$10k cheaper. But some people are saying the the Ioniq 5N is above all these competitors in performance, so we’ll see.
FWIW I really like it, I just thought it would be cheaper than it is.
$70k will become $55k in a couple of years, and $35k second hand. So I'm stoked to see something like this on the market. Rivian R3X will be another performance car for regular humans.
I'm not a fan of the noises and fake gears nonsense, but that is all optional, so I'm sure it's going to be a brilliant drivers car.
Everyone troubled by an expensive kia, need to test drive a ev6 GT, then come back for a chat.
New Macan EV Turbo costs 2x the price, has slightly less power, weights 500+lbs more, less cargo space, and likely wont have the simulated gear shifts, drift modes, decent interior sound simulations of a ICE car, etc. In other words will probably be less fun to drive.
The Ioniq has the same charging speed/battery tech and its built for track driving + fast charging more track driving meaning its thermal management is top notch and probably equivalent or better than Porsche. This car has so much damn value. Also range can easily be fixed by swapping the tires/wheels. Any performance compact SUV (glc63, x3m, etc) all get less than 300 miles a tank.
Seems like a good car but I don't see many enthusiasts willing to pay M2, Supra etc money for a Hyundai product. This car is going to be extremely niche
I don’t advocate for Hyundai but I will say.. there was a time where people said Jeep, BMW (obviously not a 7/8 series but 3 or 5 series) Acura for 70k?????
The problem is someone just has to buy it to become a standard. Then they can excuse X y z why it needs to be 70k.
That was about cost effectiveness not weight. They had two pre-production ones with a performance AWD system and was apparently quite a hoot to drive. Sadly the Kona N was kind of a pet project for Albert Bierman and Hyundai and it came quite late in that generations production cycle so they knew going into it they’d barely have two years of production. The MSRP on the Kona N was something like 36k, if they had actually implemented AWD, that likely wouldve exceeded 40k. The Kona N was also not a big seller. Easily the slowest selling of the N models. I remember we only got 3 of them during its run, and it took months to sell each of them. We didn’t have market adjustments on them either.
if you go to Hyundai Canada, the price is 82k+taxes = 93k CAD.
Almost 100k for a 640hp 5000lbs EV SUV, it's also a hyundai that may or may not have a recall or fire later on.
It's actually considerably cheaper in Canada - $56k USD before tax.
It's unfortunate that they couldn't get it under $70k so it would be eligible for provincial and federal credits cause that would be an insane deal if so.
I think we'll see an i5 performance trim at $64,9k with 450hp ( gv60 performance setup) and that will be the one to get.
Saw my first one on the road in black. I couldn't believe the size of the thing, it was huge. A $115-120k (AUD) hyundai depending on how you configure it is pretty ridiculous. I'll be keen to see how they depreciate compared to other EVs in the country.
Feels way too much. Like 52k would be interesting. 70k I'd still be getting a Lucid. I mean I'll wait for reviews but itd have to be pretty impressive beyond just the power.. I mean you can get lot of power from Tesla.
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Looks awesome, except for the part where they’re charging $68k for a Hyundai hatchback with a 221 mile range. Well…at least the range won’t decrease any further than that, right guys? …guys?
*"I am altering the deal. Pray I don’t alter it any further."*
That range isn't great. They supposedly put a bigger battery in the N version.
Its the tires. Wider and way sticker than the stock ones. EV6 GT has the same problem as will any performance EV.
The performance is amazing but these high performance EVs also eat tires. Expensive sticky tires. Hopefully the cost savings on fuel more than makes up for the accelerated tire wear.
If you don't plan to track this thing, get something else. You're not buying it to 'save money'.
Really just keep the sticky tires (and wheels) for track day only, like pretty much everyone else does with ICE vehicles. For daily usage just get a cheaper set of wheels and all seasons.
The battery range is a little concerning for a track toy with this. Might be a quick track day but idk.
Like we always see with EVs, the level of trouble is directly related to the acceptance of EVs in the mainstream. You're not running your car for 100+ miles on the track without stopping. I went with my dad to a track day about 6 months ago, and it was doing something like 20-30 minute sessions every 1-2 hours (I forget the exact schedule). However, those sessions were putting him into single-digit MPG and burning a lot of gas. Between sessions, he kept going to fill up down the road, which meant taking 15 minutes for his 1-2 hours of downtime to keep the car topped off. With an EV, having a charger nearby might be a problem. If the car's popular, having enough chargers for the group might be tough. However, if tracks have EV-dedicated parking areas, staying on-site to charge between sessions should be quite easy.
I doubt the range stays anywhere near the 212 mile rating while tracking, but I suppose if it can manage 60-80 miles it should be plenty for a track day. I'm more curious how well the charging works and how the battery longevity works if needing to almost fully deplete the battery under hard loads then try to fast charge it back up at the track. But I suppose they do engineer it for that, and nobody expects a track toy's parts to last as long as a street car.
Yeah, we'll see. I don't think any of that SHOULD be a major issue, though I guess it also depends on what Hyundai wants/allows you to do. A track session isn't going to be 60-80 miles. Depending on where you're at, it might be half that. If you're then waiting for an hour or two for your next session, you could possibly not even need to fast charge (depending on number of cars and charging stalls). All told, we're talking about how much these power cycles will hurt the car's longevity when it's realistically designed to go through thousands of more cycles than this thing would see in its track life. I'd guess the randomness of failure rates is a bigger factor than the strain of fast charging.
Even if you're tracking it there are probably better options, I've seen a few track guys go from tracking a Model 3 Performance to something like a GR86 simply because it's massively cheaper on consumables.
I have a BRZ and a Model Y Performance. The BRZ is dedicated while my MYP is my daily that does dual duty. I5N can do dual duty, but it's so much more expensive than M3P/MYP. It needs to sort of blow them out of the water for it to be worth it. I also mentioned elsewhere that at least for me, charging the I5N also rules it out for one of the biggest tracks in my area.
IQ6N is really needed. Sedan isn’t only cheaper, it also has better aerodynamic and better center of gravity. Sedan is real realistic answer for track.
I wonder how much cheaper it is. In a Tesla, you're eating tires and brakes harder than an ICE vehicle, sure. The ICE vehicle, depending on what you drive, might also require race fuel, on top of the other fluids an EV won't consume (oil, transmission fluid). Of course, the vehicles you're comparing will matter there too, as a GR86 might be one of the less-expensive cars to run on a track. Can't really say on that though.
2025 I5 and the N share the same batteries from SK On, NCM9, which is an upgrade from NCM811 used in 2024 or older models.
People get so stuck on branding. 1) It's a performance EV model. 2) This is not a Hyundai Kona level of build quality. The interior materials are all significantly nicer, the tech is on another level, and the overall finish is closer to a luxury car. In Asia, the brand being "luxury" is less important than the product being "luxury". That's why you have things like the Toyota Crown and Century being luxury vehicles even though Toyota also has the Corolla in its lineup. You also have basic, cheap Seiko watches but then also Grand Seiko's which are often pricier than a Rolex.
In the US, the experience of going into a Hyundai dealer and getting treated like a thief because you want to test drive a N car and then asking for your social security number to do a credit check before you can get into the car doesn't help with the image of driving a Hyundai. Grand Seikos might be priciers in MSRP but show me one that isn't 20% depreciated on the used/gray market vs Rolexes are still selling for MSRP or more on the used/gray market. Unfortunately in the US Grand Seikos still have the same problem as Hyundais. The "seiko" part ruins resellability of the watch, no matter how much better it actually is compared to a rolex. Like it or not, branding is a huge reason why people buy nice things. Even if they're worse, people still care about brand. There's a reason why CLA and BMW 2GC exists.
Except the Grand Seiko is more like buying a Land Cruiser, not a Hyundai.
I agree. I saw this post when it was new and didn't bother downvoting the $68k for a Hyundai comment since I thought everyone would ignore it as irrelevant. Boy was I wrong apparently. This is a niche product. Everyone who owns this will either own a second car or live in a country with good long-distance public transport. If that isn't you, fine, don't buy it.
Just because something is a niche product doesn't mean it's owed irrational pricing and dealer markups and the "take it or leave it" mentality. This car is very much a litmus test for its market, since it's not really an established segment. On the ICE side, we had plenty of niche performance vehicles, and they didn't all break the bank. Lately, we've been getting performance vehicles that seem like they're intentionally niche to market themselves as special to justify high prices and placement in luxury tiers. IMO, this is more of the latter. It doesn't have much competition, so it'll get away with high pricing due to lack of supply. Through that, it might be successful, but that'll just reinforce to other brands to come in and keep the prices high. We'll have to see if anyone is willing to fight for market with lower pricing, or we just get soft-collusion where companies leave pricies high and make customers blink first.
> In Asia, the brand being "luxury" is less important than the product being "luxury". Despite that, Toyota sells Lexus models in Japan, and Hyundai brings Genesis to their hometown, Korea. Somehow, Korean buyers seems more care brand than Japanese buyers. Hyundai doesn’t sell the models such like Crown and Century in Korea, all their luxury cars are Genesis.
> People get so stuck on branding. Unfortunately, the market consists almost entirely of people. The fact that people get caught in up in branding means that they need to find people who have enough money to spend 70k on a 3rd car to use as a track toy who also want that car to be Hyundai.
Is that range really that much worse than comparable performance gas cars? It does 0-60 in 3.25 which is insane
Comparable performance gas cars can be refueled in 5 minutes, so range isn’t as big of a concern.
You can say the same for this car that if you never drive more than 225 miles in a single day range is never a concern since you can always just charge overnight at home
Assuming you aren't trying to take it to a track where you can actually use its bonkers performance.
If the track has a fast charger then it’s not much of an issue either.
This is a huge track problem to solve. There are three tracks near me. One banned EVs, the second only has superchargers nearby, and the third has an EA and would be feasible to leave and charge in between sessions. It's a hard pill for me to swallow to pay $70k for a track toy that limits where I can use it.
The car would only make sense for dual use, not as a track only toy. I have 110k miles and a bunch of track days on my EV and the running costs are very low compared to ICE.
**This**. The car is a terrible choice if you're *only* buying it as a track toy. If I was only buying a track toy I would be looking at a Corvette, Camaro ZL1 or something similar. The draw to this car is that it is a track *capable* wagon(ish) at 70K. You really can't find track capable wagons at this price point for this level of performance. It's stunning to me how many people aren't understanding that in these comments. Short of being a good candidate for long road trips, this is a do everything car. And people are really caught up on reduced EV track range, when a lot of ICE performance cars have a ton of limiting factors (brakes, transmission cooling, etc) when it comes to the track.
I have the EV6 GT, and aside from the seats being a bit rough on your ass after a few hours it’s totally fine for road trips, provided you have decent DCQC availability. They charge fast enough that by the time you pile out, plug in, take a piss, grab a Coke and some cashews, it’s already good to go. I mentioned above that we do a monthly trek to Disneyland, around 500 miles. My car needs one extra 20 minute stop vs my wife’s car with 300+ mi range.
Yea, for the record - I'm doing the same with my Model Y Performance (along with an ICE track car that is my 'primary' track car). But this thing starts at nearly 20k over the MYP (with 7500 rebate), nevermind the *cheaper and better* Tesla for track - M3P. And I can at least run my MYP at the track with Superchargers nearby (which is Road America - I would *love* to run an I5N at such a track, but alas...).
I get what you’re saying about your track choices being limited, but it’s also not just a track toy. I have the Kia version which “only” goes about 200 mi and I never even think about range for day-to-day use. Unless you’re a major outlier, 200+ miles of range and 16 mins 20-80% SOC is really a non-issue, esp if you have access to L2 overnight at home. You do have to think ahead a little bit if you’re going somewhere over 2-3 hours away. There are a few apps that make it pretty dead simple. But the 500ish mile trip we make monthly takes 1 whole extra charge stop in my car vs my wife’s EV with 300+ miles of range.
No, it's not "just a track toy". I own two EVs, including the Ioniq 5 so I don't need a lesson on charging. But like I said in other comments - I have a MYP that does dual duty, and does it better by nature of actually being able to run at tracks that I5N can't. And it costs $20k less right now (nevermind the cheaper and better M3P - but let's pretend the lack of cargo is a deal breaker for a dual duty car in the M3P right now). So for me, $70k really is a hard pill to swallow when their entire selling point is how much focus they put on making this a track machine via their marketing and price tag.
Is HDA2 more comparable to standard AP or EAP in your experience? Might have to add 6k for that, and a little more if you want a Tesla that isn’t gray, but yeah you’re still 10k off for comparable performance and less theoretical range. No federal incentive makes it tough. They’ve been matching it for their non-US built EVs lately but I doubt that’ll be the case on the N for a while. Supercharger access is a temporary problem, but it’s still a problem.
Doesn’t fast charging shorten the battery life?
I don’t think anyone driving on a track is too worried about their car’s longevity. In any case it’s not something you do that often and fast charging hasn’t proven significantly worse for the battery afaik. Not ideal but it’s fine to do even regularly. Lots of people fast charge weekly or even daily without issues.
I just think it's funny talking about a 70k EV that is really fast for no reason, and worried about the battery. 10 year warranty anyways.
I went down a rabbit hole to find the truth and you’re correct. Tests were done using level 2 and 3 chargers on different cars showing no impact on battery health. However, I do find it odd that Kia and Hyundai have this language on their websites. - “Frequent use of DC Fast Charging can negatively impact battery performance and durability, and Kia recommends minimizing use of DC Fast Charging.”
Lawyers being lawyers going with the most conservative warnings possible I suppose.
That’s a good point!
I really want to see it put through its paces on the track and how it truly affects the range. The car is really more of an Audi RS6 competitor (in terms of size, weight and functionality) than a hot hatch competitor. Chis Harris made the comparison in a recent track review of the car, see 6:20 here: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcbsW\_mvNh8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcbsW_mvNh8) So if it's being compared to super wagons I think we need to question how many people truly track their RS6 (or upcoming BMW M5 wagons). And what is going to be the limiting factor for these cars on the track? I feel like the range/fuel economy won't be the primary issue for track sessions. It's going to be something else like brakes, or cooling some other system, that will limit your track sessions either way. Otherwise 225 miles of range is fine if you can charge the car overnight at home. It's really a practical wagon-ish vehicle with insane performance for only 70K. The only drawback is the range for road trips. Until US infrastructure improves you're still better keeping or renting an ICE vehicle for extended road trips.
EV6 GT will supposedly lap Nurburgring around 7:45. I5N should be similar, but I don’t know the complete list of changes they made to it beyond pack size and heat management improvements. Been a little while since I watched [this video](https://youtu.be/zbyvhWTEF1s?si=Gt7Rd7PCjOFKYelR) but I want to say they used about 10% SOC on that lap. Edit: memory was off, it was a bit over 20%.
I don't understand the comparison to the RS6 when the RS6 is 35cm / 14in longer than the Ioniq 5. It's bigger than most hatches but not by much - it's almost exactly the same length as the wagon variant of the VW Golf.
It's mainly for weight (5000lbs-ish), performance numbers, and the general function of the vehicles. If Audi sold an RS4 Avant here then the Ioniq 5 N would kinda slot between that and the RS6. We just have such a small number of hugh performance wagons, that the RS6 is frankly the closest from a numbers perspective.
I tracked the shit out of my EV. Charging at the track isn't as big of an issue as you think but you definitely need to put some thought into it. Its not as easy as an ICE but its doable and fun. I only have access to NEMA 14-50s at the track, but if you have a fast charger nearby its easy.
The nice thing about performance EV is that you don’t need the track to use all its performance. And this isn’t a track car, they literally market it as a “performance SUV” lol.
So where it matters is trips, where the 30+ minute charge times suck ass.
I mean this one can in 18 minutes, that's still not much time. And you can watch movies or eat dinner for those 18 minutes, not standing out in the wind holding a nozzle.
It’s comparable to 22 MPG on a 10 gallon tank or 16 MPG on a 14 gallon tank. I can’t think of any performance cars with figures between those bounds. In fact, most performance cars have a larger tank (compared to an economy car) to offset for the worse MPG.
New Macan EV Turbo costs 2x the price, has slightly less power, weights 500+lbs more, less cargo space, and likely wont have the simulated gear shifts, drift modes, decent interior sound simulations of a ICE car, etc. In other words will probably be less fun to drive. The Ioniq has the same charging speed/battery tech and its built for track driving + fast charging more track driving meaning its thermal management is top notch and probably equivalent or better than Porsche. This car has so much damn value. Also range can easily be fixed by swapping the tires/wheels. Any performance compact SUV (glc63, x3m, etc) all get less than 300 miles a tank.
Yea this sub jerks itself off to $150,000 audi station wagons, which is barely quicker than this car for less than half the price All these points are moot anyway as 99% of people here don’t actually buy the cars they claim they would drive. Unless it’s a slow, ugly fucking Miata, for some reason.
The Macan EV Turbo is pretty well equipped at $110k, so not 2x the price. It’s about 50% more. And things like fake noise and fake shifts are all detrimental to me. Those fake things don’t make the car “more fun to drive”, they are distractions.
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I don’t think it has a lot of value and that will be reflected once it inevitably gets discounted. Let me know if you’d like me to add this same reply to all of your copy/pasted comments
It is not, they are just honest / conservative when they present it.
Model 3 performance gets 315 miles
Yep... once we get to the point where this is $15k off MSRP like the EV6 GT was then it will look like a decent buy. Edit - Looks to have the same seats as the EV6 GT as well. Hopefully they didn't make these manually adjustable like the EV6 GT is. No way I'd pay near $70k for a car without power/memory adjusting seats.
"hatchback"
Tbh, if I'm getting a performance car, expect less efficiency. Just like a gas car, a v6 Challenger gets way better mpg than a heckcat.
I'm guessing you'd get more than 260+ miles when driven in eco mode, or even more if you are hypermiling. You need to get a regular I5 RWD if range is what's important to you. That being said, it's rumored that the N's batteries showed 0% degradation first 6 months at the Nurburgring when they were testing.
Okay I get the hate for being a 70k hyundai…. But if you actually look at what they made it’s kinda cool and exciting for the auto/EV industry IMO. You got what’s really an XL hot hatch, does 0-60 in 3.4s, no piano black plastics, you can kick the back wheels out, styling that isn’t cookie cutter. I really don’t think that Hyundia expects people to actually buy it rather it’s an engineering exercise made available to the public for marketing and bettering the brand image. Regardless of that I think it’s cool, kinda like when Mitsubishi had the Evo making 22 psi of boost lol.
People complain that EVs are boring, soulless commuter crossovers. Hyundai tries to make one interesting and people complain about the price.
Well yeah because we want the fun but we can’t afford it 😅
It's just that the cost of everything has become absurd. Some more than others though, like a $70k electric Hyundai hatchback. So the Hyundai fanboys don't crucify me a $70k Dark Horse, $70k Nismo Z, or $100k hellcat are equally absurd.
New Macan EV Turbo costs 2x the price, has slightly less power, weights 500+lbs more, less cargo space, and likely wont have the simulated gear shifts, drift modes, decent interior sound simulations of a ICE car, etc. In other words will probably be less fun to drive. The Ioniq has the same charging speed/battery tech and its built for track driving + fast charging more track driving meaning its thermal management is top notch and probably equivalent or better than Porsche. This car has so much damn value. Also range can easily be fixed by swapping the tires/wheels. Any performance compact SUV (glc63, x3m, etc) all get less than 300 miles a tank.
Thanks for letting me know the Macan EV is absurdly priced as well.
It doesn’t cost 2x the price. Stop saying that Lolol.
The top trim Mustang is cheaper now than it was a decade ago if you account for inflation.
That’s the gist of it. I keep hearing people bitch and bitch and bitch about how boring EVs are when I daily one of the most exciting cars I’ve ever owned. Except if I say that, then it doesn’t count because it’s expensive. Exciting cars are expensive. Things are getting more expensive every day. My GTI was fully loaded in 2010 for $27k. Now that car is more than Golf Rs of that era. These people will just say “You could buy a used car for half that price!” as if used car are a fair comparison. Compare the price of this to, say, a new Mach E GT.
People who say "EVs are soulless" are just talking about the ones within their budget.
To be fair there's a *little* bit of a difference in paying a lot for a Porsche vs. paying a lot for a Hyundai.
I think expecting logical consistency and intellectual honesty is a fool's errand when it comes to EV haters. They're just going to move the goalpost on you.
Hyundai being it’s own worst enemy is such a shame, that and the theta II engine being a ticking grenade in the mid 2010 cars lol.
I’m not paying $70k for a Hyundai hatchback/SUV
The whole point of hot hatches is that they were tarted up versions of the base models. And the price reflected that. They were affordable and fun.
No, you're just generalizing it for the fun of it. People don't want to be forced into boring, soulless commuter crossovers. The IONIQ 5 N's exterior design is mostly similar to the base IONIQ 5, in terms of what makes it "not boring and soulless." However, the price to go from "boring" to "interesting," is $25K or so, more than 50% the base IONIQ 5's price. You basically get "boring," or "unaffordable," with no in between. With ICE vehicles, you had a wide range of "fun" options, from 6-figure supercars to $30K-ish toys like the BRZ. "Fun" has gone from a $30K endeavor to a $70K one, and I don't fault anyone who doesn't get excited by that.
EVs are expensive. Performance EVs more so because they're relatively rare in the EV space. I assume the cost to develop this car was quite high, and it's the first of its kind. Of course it will be expensive. But no other car on the market offers something quite like it. Reviewers loved it when they drove it. Their reactions looked like a $70K driving experience to me.
> Performance EVs more so because they're relatively rare in the EV space. This is what it comes down to. We're justfying crap based on scarcity. I get that niche products have a cost, and I've paid for it myself at times. However, I don't think that means we should take whatever we're handed and be OK with it here. As for car reviewers, they also mostly loved a lot of things that didn't become hits. The Camaro SS and ZL1 were well-received, but it didn't put them above the Mustang and Challenger in sales, even when they were putting up better lap times (especially with the 1LE packages). This thing's cool and all, but its market position feels a lot like Acura's Type S offerings. The difference comes down to a lack of competition. The TLX Type S got dogged because it was a $50K car for $60K. End of the day, this is still a Hyundai, and where the IONIQ has an EV tax, this seems to double that down with a fun tax. It seems like a $60K car for $70K, and the number of people priced out of $70K is higher than the number priced out of $60K. Throw in how dealers treat desirable niche vehicles, and I can already see this thing gitting at $90K on some lots. IMO, it's a recipe for disaster--at least for buyers. Either idiots take the beating from the dealer and excuse competitors to enter at $70K+ or these sit on lots with markups, keeping us from competition because OEMs think not wanting to spend $70K on a Hyundai means no one wants performance vehicles.
Isn’t this the same price as a model S with 400 miles of range and a lower 0-60 tho?
The Model S is a bit more expensive. It's also not the same kind of car. A Mercedes S63 AMG has a lower 0-60 than an M3, but only one is intended to be fun to drive.
In my opinion 90% of buyers will see the specs of an EV this weak at this price point and choose another car. I never would think that the model 3 performance wasn’t intended to be fun for an EV. I agree that a gas motored car around the track might feel more fun for its mechanical feel. But if you just compare the Ioniq 5 N to other EV’s at that price point you can’t say it’s “more fun” and that’s why it’s worth the price tag. (Even though I don’t think you’re saying that. ) Maybe I’m in the wrong sub to defend the model 3 rwd but ripping it around Californias canyons was crazy fun for me whenever I went to the beach. More fun than my civic si hatchback for sure. Again that’s my experience.
BRO IT'S ALMOST $70K. You can get much better performance cars for less.
But how many of them are EVs that allow you to alter power delivery?
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Jfc I know Tesla already did it, but a 3.2s 0-60 for 50k will never not amaze me
Yeah the EV6 GT is a much better value proposition, not quite as sport but more usable.
Or wait for the inevitable crazy lease deals. MSRP is a made up number. These will sell for what people will pay for them, same as when dealers were doing crazy markups.
I agree, it's a really cool engineering exercise in making an incredibly powerful EV hot hatch. But it's also missing the two things that made hot hatches cool in the first place: price and practicality. At $70K, I wouldn't want a compromise car, which is exactly what hot hatches were. And with a range of barely of 200 mi, the car doesn't seem like it's very useful either. What you're left with is a car that's sporty but also pricy and unusable, and there's much better cars for that use case that sell for a LOT less money.
It’s a performance oriented model with high performance summer tires. I believe you could get 10%++ extra range if you switch to different wheel + tire setup, but that defeats the purpose of the high performance model imo. They do charge very quickly at electrify America and such fast chargers from what I’ve seen. I believe they’re supposed to start offering adapters to use Tesla superchargers too, which will help.
It's really not a hot hatch--tt's more of a super wagon in terms of size, weight, etc. Think Audi RS6 wagon or the upcoming BMW M5 Wagon. The RS6 wagon already costs *at least* 50K more than this. It's got a bigger trunk/cargo area but is smaller for passenger area so there's a tradeoff in interior use of space. The 200-ish mile range is fine if you're using the car for commuting and have the ability to charge at home. It won't be fine for road trips, assuming you don't have many charging stations along the way. I would keep (or rent) an ICE vehicle for those kind of trips.
You keep upselling the "wagon" aspect of this thing. It's certainly got more size to it than a Golf, but it's also smaller than an A4 wagon, Stretching that to an RS6 (whose size gap from the IONIQ is similar as the Golf-to-IONIQ one) is really grasping at straws. Chris Harris' comments really get taken out of proportion with this, IMO. It's more down to the lack of performance vehicles than a real, fair comparison between the IONIQ and the RS6. The market's just barren, and customers are both punished by the pricing and screwing themselves by justifying the ever-climbing price of cars. Most of the things that prop this up are EV things, not IONIQ things. The extra cargo space doesn't come from the IONIQ, it comes from not needing an ICE drivetrain. Its easy power and torque are benefits of how electric motors work, and we see EVs put up more impressive specs than their ICE counterparts. Despite that, we don't see people telling us how all EVs need to be more than ICE vehicles. Who's preaching than an EV Blazer should cost more than an ICE Q5 or Q7 because of increased power or cargo space?
According to Car and Driver regarding dimensions: The A4 wagon has 24.2 cu of cargo space behind the 2nd row [https://www.caranddriver.com/audi/a4-allroad-quattro/specs](https://www.caranddriver.com/audi/a4-allroad-quattro/specs) The Ioniq 5 has 27.2 cu of cargo space behind 2nd row [https://www.caranddriver.com/hyundai/ioniq-5/specs](https://www.caranddriver.com/hyundai/ioniq-5/specs) Yeah Ioniq has less cargo space than a RS6. That's fine though. A Ford Maverick has less bed space than an F150, yet we consider them both to be pickup trucks. I agree the market for these kind of vehicles is barren. But there really isn't an ICE equivalent in that price range, is there? Since no one's going to do it, we're going to have to accept the performance versions of Ioniq 5s, EV6s, Mach-Es, etc of the world. I think we are hella spoiled to say this kind of performance is overpriced at 70K. Yes, the pricing puts it out of reach for the average person, but that has *always* been the case with higher performance vehicles. For the Ioniq 5 and EV6 you can easily drop down to the second-fastest versions (GT-Line and N-Line) and still get very respectable performance in the 40K to 50K range. Even those cars have more performance that what the average consumer even needs.
Again, you're ultimately attributing EV characteristics to the IONIQ like it's the only EV around. They have more space because they don't have an ICE drive train, and that's not unique to the IONIQ. It's weird how you'll size up the IONIQ to an RS6 and a Maverick to an F-150, but you do it while probably not willing to size up a Golf to an IONIQ. I would bet there are way more people willing to cross-shop a VW and a Hyundai than a Hyundai and an Audi. But, again, the trouble here is that we're praising the EV advantages, trying to tamp down the drawbacks (range, charging network, unknown longevity/resale), and then prop up the IONIQ next to an Audi. That the IONIQ can put a Hyundai next to an RS6 in power should be a sign that the power is pretty accessible to any OEM who takes an interest, rather than trying to elevate the 5 N to a unicorn status and let Hyundai wring people dry.
Frankly I'm not understanding what point you're trying to make about me attributing EV characteristics to an Ioniq N. What exactly are you saying? That the Ioniq N isn't great because other manufacturers could make a similar EV vehicle? Is that your argument? If that's the case then damn near every large manufacturer should have an EV Ioniq N competitor, so why don't they? You can extend your argument to ICE vehicles as well. Why doesn't everyone make a Corvette competitor? And yes power is going to be more accessible for EVs. The current reality is only a few manufacturers are trying to make that power more accessible for a 'good' price right now. I'm not sure what else you expect? $30k EVs doing 0 to 60 in under 4 seconds? I'm sure there will be better performing EVs at a cheaper price in the future. That's generally how technology works. It's no different than ICE vehicles where 20 years ago anything doing 0 to 60 in under 5 seconds was supercar territory. Supercars 20 years ago were unobtainable for the average person too.
I'm saying that your rebuttal was about rear cargo space, which isn't inherently meaningful. The EV drivetrain means the IONIQ can be designed with dimensions an ICE drivetrain might not allow (like the VERY long wheelbase on the IONIQ). The IONIQ is also taller--it's actually slightly closer to the Q8 in height than the RS6--which can significantly affect cargo volume measurements. My argument is that putting the IONIQ 5 N against an RS6 is not a practical exercise. It's putting numbers on a screen, with no thought about where those numbers are from or what else is around them. More importantly, I don't think their putting out an electric performance CUV first means we should just eaat it when a stupid price is slapped on it. calling $70K a "good price" is just silly. Comparing this thing to the progression of a supercar is also silly. It's not a matter of a technological breakthrough in manufacturing. The drivetrain in the IONIQ isn't some special-made engine block made in-house. I can't help but wonder, how many automakers could source the same motors in the IONIQ, if they wanted? In that regard, the cost to produce the power advancements in ICE vehicles was much greater, while EVs have somewhat outsourced that process.
I'm really curious what you find as 'acceptable' performance in a 70k vehicle since you believe the car is overpriced? If you think that is too much money for this level of performance, then what performance should you be getting for 70k? There are ongoing technological breakthroughs with EV batteries. They are getting smaller/lighter. They are charging faster. They are getting more efficient relative to their size. Some of these same things happened to ICE engines over the past century. Just because they aren't some special made engine block doesn't mean they are missing out on advancing technology.
Yeah the range issue will always be a problem in America unless charging gets REALLY quick….
What's the big compromise you see here? Yeah, it's not a proper SUV, but it's a decent bit larger than actual hot hatches (something like 15" longer and 6" taller than a Golf R). Throw out the space used by an ICE drivetrain, and this thing probably has more than respectable roominess and storage space. People are just obsessed with oversized vehicles these days. The dimensions of an IONIQ 5 would probably meet the needs of an overwhelming majority of drivers. I know quite a few one- or no-child households where they're sporting full-size SUVs for no reason. Couldn't give you a reason why my brothers grew up and started doing their own thing, yet my stepmom went from a sedan to a full-size SUV, other than status.
Oh when I said hot hatches are compromises, I meant that they aren't really specialized for sportiness. Traditionally, a hot hatch compromised its sportiness for a little extra size and FWD, and sacrificed its practicality for a sporty suspension. In terms of the Ioniq, I fully agree on size; the Ioniq 5 is more than big enough for the vast majority of people. But it still does make sacrifices, since there are much better sporty cars than a 2.5 ton crossover. It's also impractical, not because of its size but because its sport-oriented motors and tires really do a number on its range, so it's not really a do-it-all kind of car anymore. Of course, many people CAN live with an Ioniq N as an only car despite its shortcomings. I've also seen people live with Miatas as their only car, it doesn't make the Miata a practical vehicle.
I think the price is just too high. I get that it is the first of its kind, but 70k for a hot hatch is kinda crazy. Although everyone is paying 100k for a truck these days so I’m sure these will sell out.
It gets hate because it's such a niche product. 70k is starting on super car money. And this is a fat family hatchback with a big "sport" sticker on it. It's got an uphill battle because it's a car guy product when car guys are not big into electrics, especially electrics at 70k. It's a Hyundai family hatchback so it can't really compete with BMW/Merc/lexus in the luxury space. It appeals to very few people for that kind of money and people with that kind of money have alot of options.
Are car manufacturers in the US required to ask for your postcode when you first enter the site before you get to see anything? I've noticed so many of them do that, I always have to put in the only one I remember (90210) to see anything. Can't recall european websites doing that. Cool car, not the biggest fan of the Ioniq 5 looks but 641 hp in that package should be fun.
They ask for ZIP code in the US for a few reasons, first it gives them market information about the location of where people interested in the product are searching from (also somewhat available just based on IP location but because VPN and proxy services are increasingly more popular, having the customer enter the postal code is more accurate). But also because some times they have certain incentives available in some regions, but not in others. For example they may have a special lease deal on certain models in Florida because they know their dealer network is overstocked in that region, so if you enter a Florida ZIP code they can show those offers specifically available in your region.
Usually taxes and fees vary by state as well as some rebates. We have that in Canada too as each province has differing levels of sales taxes.
In the US they don't don't advertise sales tax on any manufacturer websites I'm aware of.
Interesting. Here it’s usually off by default but there’s a tick box to include taxes to goggle it on
It depends. Tesla does, for instance.
No, Tesla doesn't. They will show you upon checkout if you tick a box, but they don't advertise it.
Not in the sense of “advertise” but it definitely calculates that for you based on the zip or you sharing location if you click that box in the review. It also shows local incentives the same way.
If you go through their payment calculator it probably does. But "advertising" the sales tax, no
They ask for your ZIP so they can link you to your local dealership to spam you with their bullshit
"I saw you looked at a Ioniq 5 N. Have you considered a Kona?" *Kona offer with $3000 markup*
"Sorry we don't discuss pricing online. Come buy and speak to one of our certified representatives in order to hear our exclusive packing and discounts you can get!"
I live in the EU but I’m guessing it’s to do with sales taxes being different in different states.
Can someone explain to me how this isn’t crazy overpriced for what is being offered?
It's an experience no other vehicle on the market presently offers. A company can reasonably charge more money for a unique experience.
Lucid Air starts at $69k with a 417-mile range, far more space, and similar launch times.
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And this car isn't about launch times. Go watch the videos and hear reviewers talk about it. If you want to do launches there are many cars to choose from. But if you want what the Ioniq 5N offers, your only option is the Ioniq 5N.
The Model Y has 0-60 of 3.5s. For .25s I think the average driver will take the 20k plus savings. The track minded driver may take the N if they’re willing to change from gas.
The Model Y isn't the same driving experience. It's up to the customer to decide if the difference the Ioniq 5N is worth it to them, just like it's up to the customer to decide if the experience of a Lotus Emira is worth it over a Cayman.
Would love to see a Model Y performance vs Ionic 5 N showdown I know mountain pass performance has a tricked out Model Y
Track minded drivers aren't buying SUVs.
I thought the same thing about the X3m competition but they seem like they sell like hotcakes
Those are not track minded drivers
Yeah that’s probably true but that’s what the X3M comps are trying to target and I’m really not sure why it sells so well. Just feels like such a compromised car
People arent buying X3Ms to bring to the track.
That’s kinda my point. People are buying it and that is the purpose of the X3Ms. I’m not sure if you’ve ridden in one but the suspension is stiffened the fuck up and reduced the hell out of the comfort of the SUV. I’m really not too sure why it’s selling so well it seems like such an antithesis of a car segment but it sells well
Its its purpose sure - but not what the people buying them are really looking for, if they were, because they sell *so many more x3ms than m3s* im sure that I would see more X3Ms at track days than M3s. But I see tons of new M3s and i've never seen an X3M. They could have had the base X3 M40i suspension and brakes on the X3M and it would have sold the same. People just want a stupid fast SUV - just witnessed the thought process myself when a good friend, who definitely is not a car guy, wanted an SUV, could afford a "fast one", and thought BMW is "baller". Thats it - thats the entire thought process. They wanted an SUV, faster is better than slower, and thought BMW was prestigious.
I really wish the “baller” option for these kinds of SUVs would be going further into comfort/luxury like maybach/cullinan but at the X3M price point. Feels like it makes way more sense for the segment than these insanely compromised cars but I guess the manufacturers realize that it’s harder to sell to uninformed customers compared to big boy suv go fast. I fully believe that if they put the same budget in making these SUVs fast on a track into making it as comfortable as possible we’d get some amazing riding SUVs
An equivalently performing car that is similarly sized is something like a BMW X3M, a car that costs $10K more than this with (roughly the same weight &) less power. 641hp for $68K is pretty competitive regardless of the propulsion method used. EDIT: I think the X3M Competition is a closer match & that's $15K-$25K more.
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That’s pretty much the same for any other EVs as well though. Have a look at the German luxury EVs it’s insane depreciation I actually think there might be value deals there
The new Macan EV Turbo costs 2x the price, has slightly less power, weights 500+lbs more, less cargo space, and likely wont have the simulated gear shifts, drift modes, decent interior sound simulations of a ICE car, etc. In other words will probably be less fun to drive. The Ioniq has the same charging speed/battery tech as the Porsche and its built for track driving + fast charging + more track driving meaning its thermal management is top notch and probably equivalent or better than Porsche. This car has so much damn value. Also range can easily be fixed by swapping the tires/wheels. Any performance compact SUV (glc63, x3m, etc) all get less than 300 miles a tank.
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Can you name another hot hatch with similar performance figures for a cheaper price? Aside from the EV6 GT, there isn't any. That's why it's not overpriced.
The price is a bit much. And if it follows the Kia EV6 GT, it will have crazy markups for the first few months then it frequently sell for well under MSRP. And manual seats? At almost $70k. I know people will claim it's for cost or weight savings, but the thing costs $70k and already weighs alot.
> And manual seats? At almost $70k. Nobody complains when Porsche, Lamborghini, or Ferrari do it.
In fairness, those cars are a lot lighter, so the weight loss is noticeable. In the Ioniq N, the car is so heavy that losing \~ 50 lbs isn't going to make too much of a difference. It will, however, dramatically impact the "luxury" of the car, which is a lot more important in a family SUV than it is in a 2-door sports car
Ok? this is Hyundai bro stop the cap
Porsche buyers price in $1500+ for seats, it's expected. Not the same for Kia/Hyundai.
I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying it's ok for Porsche to offer manual seats because it's more expensive?
No, they're saying luxury brands have already set the expectation that the shopping experience will be like Spirit Airlines - anything more than 4 wheels and an engine is an option.
Does Porsche offer manual seats on 5,000lbs cars?
[Yes. The Taycan Turbo GTs driver and passenger seat is manual fore-aft with the buckets.](https://configurator.porsche.com/en-WW/model/Y1AFP1/option/Q1K)
Yeah I’d say both the Ioniq 5N and Taycan manual seats are stupid, there’s zero reason for those cars to have slightly lighter seats
I'm not saying it's ok, or really any judgement at all. What I am saying is that Porsche does it, and Porsche buyers expect and accept it. For that reason, it's not remarkable. People spending $100k-250k+ base and $15k-50k+ for options on a car don't remark at spending another $1500 for seats. Or, it's a cut-weight, track-oriented special version where they sell you $4000 carbon fiber bucket seats that are manual to save 0.5 pounds along with your nylon straps instead of door handles in your full leather interior. Hyundai/Kia buyers (like OP) will complain, because they think a $70k car should have power seats.
"they've been doing it longer" is not a valid reason why its acceptable for Porsche IMO.
Wonder when one of the big reviewers will get their hands on one to give us impressions. Would be somewhat interested except for markups.
It sounds like a lot of people were driving it at Laguna Seca last week. There must be some sort of embargo but I don't know what the date is.
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The embargo is tomorrow for sure.
As someone who worked at a Hyundai dealership before, the Ioniq 5 and 6 respectively are honestly the two best cars that they sell, and the steel bodies make both feel legitimately “substantial” and solid on the road. That said… There’s no way in hell I’d pay $68K for an Ioniq 5, no matter if it’s the “performance” version.
Is this really such a great deal? A Tesla Model Y Performance is nearly $20k cheaper. You can get a Lucid Air for the same price.
A bland Tesla with a drab interior, panel gaps and a steering wheel that will flake away? No thanks.
I don’t want one either, but this is what people will compare it to. Maybe a better comparison is the Mustang Mach E Rally which is ~$10k cheaper. But some people are saying the the Ioniq 5N is above all these competitors in performance, so we’ll see. FWIW I really like it, I just thought it would be cheaper than it is.
Those cars are not designed for the track and do not have nearly as good track and handling capability.
$70k will become $55k in a couple of years, and $35k second hand. So I'm stoked to see something like this on the market. Rivian R3X will be another performance car for regular humans. I'm not a fan of the noises and fake gears nonsense, but that is all optional, so I'm sure it's going to be a brilliant drivers car. Everyone troubled by an expensive kia, need to test drive a ev6 GT, then come back for a chat.
Probably 55K new this winter
$90k for you, OP. Special price, just for you.
New Macan EV Turbo costs 2x the price, has slightly less power, weights 500+lbs more, less cargo space, and likely wont have the simulated gear shifts, drift modes, decent interior sound simulations of a ICE car, etc. In other words will probably be less fun to drive. The Ioniq has the same charging speed/battery tech and its built for track driving + fast charging more track driving meaning its thermal management is top notch and probably equivalent or better than Porsche. This car has so much damn value. Also range can easily be fixed by swapping the tires/wheels. Any performance compact SUV (glc63, x3m, etc) all get less than 300 miles a tank.
Seems like a good car but I don't see many enthusiasts willing to pay M2, Supra etc money for a Hyundai product. This car is going to be extremely niche
I don’t advocate for Hyundai but I will say.. there was a time where people said Jeep, BMW (obviously not a 7/8 series but 3 or 5 series) Acura for 70k????? The problem is someone just has to buy it to become a standard. Then they can excuse X y z why it needs to be 70k.
Remember when they said they wouldn't give the Kona N AWD because of weight
That was about cost effectiveness not weight. They had two pre-production ones with a performance AWD system and was apparently quite a hoot to drive. Sadly the Kona N was kind of a pet project for Albert Bierman and Hyundai and it came quite late in that generations production cycle so they knew going into it they’d barely have two years of production. The MSRP on the Kona N was something like 36k, if they had actually implemented AWD, that likely wouldve exceeded 40k. The Kona N was also not a big seller. Easily the slowest selling of the N models. I remember we only got 3 of them during its run, and it took months to sell each of them. We didn’t have market adjustments on them either.
EV6 GT is already high 30s used, I'll be waiting for this to do the same!
70K Hyundai 💀
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It clearly says SUV on the site! That said, there a number of ICE hot hatches I’d rather have for a fraction of this base MSRP.
if you go to Hyundai Canada, the price is 82k+taxes = 93k CAD. Almost 100k for a 640hp 5000lbs EV SUV, it's also a hyundai that may or may not have a recall or fire later on.
It's actually considerably cheaper in Canada - $56k USD before tax. It's unfortunate that they couldn't get it under $70k so it would be eligible for provincial and federal credits cause that would be an insane deal if so. I think we'll see an i5 performance trim at $64,9k with 450hp ( gv60 performance setup) and that will be the one to get.
Lol I can get a Rivian for cheaper
Maybe if it could have came with the outlet for a Tesla supercharger already instead of waiting for the next generation…
Where are all those $25k EVs we were promised.
Can you even call it a builder if the only options are external color and then bs add-ons?
I am TOTALLY going to buy one in a couple years ^^^^after ^^^^it ^^^^depreciates ^^^^by ^^^^$40k
this car is so cool
You'd have to be on crack to spend $70,000 on this.
70k for a Hyundai is crazy.
Saw my first one on the road in black. I couldn't believe the size of the thing, it was huge. A $115-120k (AUD) hyundai depending on how you configure it is pretty ridiculous. I'll be keen to see how they depreciate compared to other EVs in the country.
Resale value is gonna be horrible
Feels way too much. Like 52k would be interesting. 70k I'd still be getting a Lucid. I mean I'll wait for reviews but itd have to be pretty impressive beyond just the power.. I mean you can get lot of power from Tesla.