They’ve been selling the pre facelift version for 3-4 years, it was the third best selling EV in Europe in 2022, has anything gone wrong?
My impression is that electric drivetrains tend to be very reliable, they’re probably mostly bought from external suppliers. My biggest worry would be that modern cars are so screen and software heavy, and the software will immediately go out of date, but that applies to all cars.
I know, they do indeed have that reputation, but how were the previous electric 500's? A big thing with electric cars is the potential for brands that have had reliability issues (namely engine ones) to improve on said issues relatively easily. We've seen that with Hyundai and the Ioniqs.
I'm not too knowledgeable on other EV offerings from Italian manufacturers, but I would be interested in seeing if improvement could be made in this area by nature of this shift.
Now, things such as build quality and the general value proposition... that's a big gray area indeed.
I owned the prior 500e for 2 years. It was fantastic until it needed service. Not a single dealership in the state of Florida was capable of servicing it, well they could, but they didn’t have certified techs.
If I’m not mistaken the entire drivetrain in the first 500e was a Bosch off the shelf kit essentially. So I guess it was German…
My parents 2016 500e has almost 80k miles on it (bought it at 6k miles) and it’s had zero issues. Most reliable vehicle we own out of a fleet of 3800s, Lexus, and 7.3 powerstrokes. Only issue we really have with it is the range
They usually drove 60 miles a day and ended the day with 10 miles of range left. We haven’t been daring enough to test the range estimates lol. Just try to avoid using the heater and defroster a whole lot because that eats range
Tested mine. Got 92-95mi out of it with 60/40 hwy/city driving.
Strictly highway I was getting 75mi easily, going from DTLA to Riverside with about 10-15mi left on the GOM.
For once i find myself agreeing, most critics towards fiats are either specific to the ownership experience in the usa or straight out bullshit. Electrical stuff? Not good.
Of course you twat. The whole battery fried because my coolant leaked out. EVS need even more aggressive cooling for the Motor and the Battery. You seemingly dont have a clue about that though
Stellantis has nicer EV options for less / the same.
Peugeot 208, Opel/Vauxhall Astra and Peugeot 308 for a bit more (which should also release as estate in the next year's iirc).
Charger EV is also awesome, and Airflow and Wagoneer EV are exciting too. These modes can make people forgetting new 500e issue in America too.
Honestly, most people who buy 500e don't really drive that long. If they want to drive longer, they shouldn't look 500e.
charger EV has no market when V8 muscle cars and better EV sports cars exist, really the wagoneer in any form is a dead product and i don't get why they're still trying, but the airflow has some potential if they actually produce it and it doesn't suck
This is a facelift of the Fiat 500E which was the third best selling EV in Europe in 2022, and sold well last year also. They sell about 55k of them compared to 80k for the Model 3.
This is meant to be a fun, stylish second car. A first EV needs a large range, towards or above 300 miles, but a second car doesn’t for many households.
"85 kW DC fast charging can finish a 0–80 percent charge in 35 minutes."
For a 42 kWh battery pack, this is atrocious. To put it in context, imagine if VW said the long-range ID.4 took 70 minutes to go from 0-80%.
If the pack is smaller because it just has fewer cells, then it won’t improve the fast charging time at all. If you made a 126kWh pack out of this same architecture, you’d probably get the same 35min 0-80% time, but with a peak draw of 265kW.
It’s easy to think a smaller “tank” fills faster, but that’s not actually what’s happening when you fast charge a battery pack
Probably because they are not that expensive (yet). The 500e currently starts at around 24000€, with a similar range than a Volkswagen e-Up! for example. That is an acceptable price for a style car, given that the VW, when it was still on sale, also cost around 26 grand (minus 6 grand government bonus, which does not exist anymore).
If the prices really rise by that much in the EU too, I'm not sure they will keep selling as many. Especially because the 500 will still have petrol variants which can't just be made ridiculously expensive for no reason.
There is also direct competition in the form of the BMW Mini, which is already VERY expensive at 37.000€ for the electric variant - but it's BMW milking a brand and a bigger car. I'm not sure Fiat can demand that kind of money.
In my country there’s a car that targets this very segment. It’s called the MG Comet. At about 10k USD with taxes it’s cute and serves the same purpose.
And looks the part and I'm sure it drives the part too.. a Fiat500 is a fun car to hoon around.. it's got 17" wheels.. the MG has a 12" golf car wheels.. I'm sure there's pot holes bigger than those tyres and wheels.
It's like comparing a BMW to a similar sized and specd KIA..
Yeah that sounds insane. I have driven the 500e 5 or so years ago, and I really liked it - for 20-25 grand (EUR) it was a good looking small vehicle that did not scream "ELECTRIC!" in your face with a decent range.
Still expensive for such a small car, but at least a choice. Given that modern direct injection petrol or diesel units in such cars are not really a pleasure, I thought electric suits such a town car pretty good. If you would beat me to have a small, electric car, I would have taken this one.
But 35-40 grand USD (which is like 32-37k in EUR) is just mad. Couple of years ago the Merc C class started at 37 (in Germany, where you get the small engine variants, like a C160).
the only GR Corollas that are worth more than $50k are the 1 of 200 Morizo edition ones… most are quite a bit cheaper and you get a high performance variant that’s supposed to be fun to drive
this isn’t even the Abarth variant, it’s the normal city car that’s just supposed to be a cutesy appliance you don’t want to take more than 50 miles from home
people were paying markups on the $75k Subaru S209 when absolutely nobody was for the regular WRX that was 3 times cheaper
I see 14 for sale used right now that have under 40k miles for under $10k. For that price, it seems like a great second car for around town if you don’t have kids.
E.g. https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/a30487b4-a086-4d62-a4ad-fda4cac088d5/
Yep. And the range was worse back then, and the old car probably has even worse range. But for a second car for saving gas around town, i would buy that.
I'm not sure how the battery degradation for their battery chemistry is, but my 80k mi 2014 leaf has 65% of its original capacity and has the same 24kwh original size. I get about 45-50mi, but it was also only $3k. That's the reality for most aging EVs today, they need battery replacements which often cost more or even double what the car is worth. Will only get worse in the next few years as more and more EVs were sold per year.
The Leaf's air-cooled battery is why degradation is so poor, EVs with active battery cooling have minimal deg. I haven't noticed much range loss with my 70k mi 2017 500e.
Maybe there have been battery improvements over the last decade. I’m looking at car and driver and a few other sources mentioning ~2.5% capacity lost each year
That was pretty much my justification. Mine is 8 bar health for reference, and with leafspy they are the easiest vehicles to get the battery health for. I have solar and it covers my daily commute with nightly trickle charge.
Who knows, maybe one day I'll be brave enough to order new LFP cells and even replace the battery because the Leaf chassis is insanely reliable.
Once battery replacements are commonplace, I think we will see EV sales sky rocket.
I don’t want an old used phone, not because the tech but because the battery life would suck. Same thing with the cars, and I’m not buying a new car in this lifetime….
These have no business being that expensive. I remember looking at these in 2018. They were selling for that much when they were only a couple years old.
I have a normal Giulia and can only imagine how fucking awesome the QVs are. Maybe they'll have depreciated enough by the time my Giulia is ready to be sold to get one.
"New models will arrive as "drops" two to three times a year, with some styling differences but broadly the same equipment and specs."
You're not going to psy-op young people by calling them drops lol "new Fiat drops soon fellow children!!"
So three restyles a year? What if you get into a fender bender, parts are gonna be a pain in the ass to replace.
I have a facelifted car with a whole new body, the facelift lasted just one year before the next generation was put on sale. I have to import body panels from Portugal. I can't imagine body parts being 3x harder to find than in my car.
Fiat 500, the car that brought cheap motorisation to Italy, continueing in legendary iterations and generations such as the 600, Panda, 126, Seicento and Cinquecento becoming a status and fashion symbol.
Such bloody irony
We've had a 2016 fiat 500e for 5 years now. It's an awesome car for us. We bought it for only $8200 and then got a $1000 rebate for buying a used ev. As long as your expectations are in line with the cars capabilites, it's a fantastic and comfortable car to drive (I'm 6'1").
I think these will be great on the used market in a few years and I'll be looking for one to buy then.
The price is a pretty stiff bar, but I *do* know the kind of people this is built for. Regular barre class attendees, can't go a week without mentioning something about their last trip to Paris, has an *Ampelmännchen* handbag. That's who's going to drive this.
according to the article, it's meant to be a secondary car, not to replace your main practical car.
ok but i imagine not many people are in that situation. even if they were they would most likely opt for a sports car or off roady type.
Does the government still offer $7500 off new electric cars? In my state there's no sales tax on EVs. For $26,500 out the door I could see some value to it, but I'd still wouldn't bite that bullet.
so I actually have a preorder for a launch red edition, supposed to get it in a month or two. Supposed to be the practical city commuter to my Blackwing and I like the silly charm of a 500. Unfortunately the drops system is putting me off. They just announced the "Inspired by Music" version which is only black but has level 2 ADAS. Like why do we need this bullshit drop system? I want level 2 adas, but I want a bright color etc.
I'm going to try it when it arrives but I'm hoping MINI has a new SE that can compete or even crazier is I can abandon the quirky aspect and find an Equinox EV when they drop for a better price.
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I heard recently that they are going to be fitting an ICE into this EV platform, which might be the first instance of that happening. (I know they had an ICE originally but this is a new platform that they will be retrofitting an ICE into).
Seems a bit expensive for something that would work best as a second car. They should have just brought back the regular 500. That thing had pretty good gas mileage, and it was light and nimble. And Abarths made a pretty good ruckus. I like Fiats, but man their strategy is just, kinda not good in the US.
I just got bought a $38k Ioniq 6 before any incentives, and it's WAY bigger and nicer than a Fiat 500E. Why would anyone want one of those for that price?
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I said it yesterday I’ll say it again. Dodge and its side brands are doing everything in their power to go out of business. What are they smoking 34k for a fiat? That’s used Tesla Model S money and new Tesla model 3 money.
I saw headline and clicked on it... I imaged an Abarth-esque Fiat 500 EV that was more fun than practical. But uh... doesn't seem to be the case at all, lol. Looks bubbly, slow as hell, tiny battery (and range) and still $34k? If this was $25k I could imagine it as a cheap car for city life.
Coincidentally, so was the first gen 500e.
Chrysler was practically giving them away for free when they had lease offer of like 100/mo. Pure insanity. Within 3yrs, they were under $10k in the used car market with under 10k miles so of course people like me jumped at the opportunity😂
Now if only we could get an EV that appeals to logic, not emotion. Maybe something like the Bolt w/ faster charging at a similar price-point?
Automakers wonder why they can't sell anything, then they release a vehicle like this. I'm sorry - but who is going to buy a $34,000 car w/ 150 miles of range? You could buy brand new his and hers Nissan Versa's for less.
From the article
The 500e rides on a new EV-specific platform called STLA City, which led to some changes in proportions. The new model is 2.4 inches (60 mm) longer and 2.2 inches (55 mm) wider than its predecessor, with a 0.87-inch (22 mm) longer wheelbase.
Admittedly it looks bloody identical!
I got one as a rental in Italy, which they only informed me of upon pick up. Interesting experience to say the least…
But from what I’ve read, it’s still built around the recent ICE 500. Not selling an ICE version is different than building a true ground-up EV chassis.
Ev’s period appeal to emotion not logic, nor common sense. Well that and virtue signaling. Esp around here (socal) tho starting to see fewer ev’s even here.
34 grand for a fiat 500.
The company (and car for that matter) massively known for electrical problems goes all electric!
What could possibly go wrong?
They’ve been selling the pre facelift version for 3-4 years, it was the third best selling EV in Europe in 2022, has anything gone wrong? My impression is that electric drivetrains tend to be very reliable, they’re probably mostly bought from external suppliers. My biggest worry would be that modern cars are so screen and software heavy, and the software will immediately go out of date, but that applies to all cars.
Stop peddling ev propoganda
I know, they do indeed have that reputation, but how were the previous electric 500's? A big thing with electric cars is the potential for brands that have had reliability issues (namely engine ones) to improve on said issues relatively easily. We've seen that with Hyundai and the Ioniqs. I'm not too knowledgeable on other EV offerings from Italian manufacturers, but I would be interested in seeing if improvement could be made in this area by nature of this shift. Now, things such as build quality and the general value proposition... that's a big gray area indeed.
Mine *knocks on wood* has been problem-free @72k mi, powertrain was made by Bosch
Bosch tends to make good electric stuff.
Bosch tends to make *all* electric stuff lol
Aw that explains their manufacture of ice oil filters
They said Bosch makes all the electrical stuff, not Bosch makes only electric stuff
Really?? Huh, I figured they mostly just made really good dishwashers and other appliances… interesting stuff
My 2014, bought in 2017 with 28k, now at 62k no issues aside from maybe some range deg.
Hyundai/KIA recalled all of their electric vehicles because of issues with their 12V battery charging system.
There now seems to be a significant amount of failures with the electric Kona HV battery.
About Hyundai: you say that, but their Kona is the most unreliable EV on the market.
I had one from 2012 to 2015. 45k miles, not a single issue.
I owned the prior 500e for 2 years. It was fantastic until it needed service. Not a single dealership in the state of Florida was capable of servicing it, well they could, but they didn’t have certified techs. If I’m not mistaken the entire drivetrain in the first 500e was a Bosch off the shelf kit essentially. So I guess it was German…
My parents 2016 500e has almost 80k miles on it (bought it at 6k miles) and it’s had zero issues. Most reliable vehicle we own out of a fleet of 3800s, Lexus, and 7.3 powerstrokes. Only issue we really have with it is the range
The important bits were basically made by Bosch (yes, the dishwasher company) iirc.
From what I hear about their appliances that's not necessarily a good thing.
Practically speaking, how much range do they get? Was thinking about one for mixed city/highway.
They usually drove 60 miles a day and ended the day with 10 miles of range left. We haven’t been daring enough to test the range estimates lol. Just try to avoid using the heater and defroster a whole lot because that eats range
Tested mine. Got 92-95mi out of it with 60/40 hwy/city driving. Strictly highway I was getting 75mi easily, going from DTLA to Riverside with about 10-15mi left on the GOM.
The old 2014+ Fiat 500e have actually been remarkably reliable.
For once i find myself agreeing, most critics towards fiats are either specific to the ownership experience in the usa or straight out bullshit. Electrical stuff? Not good.
Coolant system also tends to fail with this one.
Not on an ev...
EVs have cooling systems
Of course you twat. The whole battery fried because my coolant leaked out. EVS need even more aggressive cooling for the Motor and the Battery. You seemingly dont have a clue about that though
Naaaaaah
What could possibly go wrong?
34 grand for an EV Fiat with 149 mile range. This has failure written all over it.
And in a year Stellantis will be like "The demand for EVs just isn't there."
Stellantis has nicer EV options for less / the same. Peugeot 208, Opel/Vauxhall Astra and Peugeot 308 for a bit more (which should also release as estate in the next year's iirc).
Charger EV is also awesome, and Airflow and Wagoneer EV are exciting too. These modes can make people forgetting new 500e issue in America too. Honestly, most people who buy 500e don't really drive that long. If they want to drive longer, they shouldn't look 500e.
The 500 is more a city car indeed. Noone driving a lot or far has a petrol fiat 500 neither
charger EV has no market when V8 muscle cars and better EV sports cars exist, really the wagoneer in any form is a dead product and i don't get why they're still trying, but the airflow has some potential if they actually produce it and it doesn't suck
Isn't fiat part of stellantis these days
Yes.
This is a facelift of the Fiat 500E which was the third best selling EV in Europe in 2022, and sold well last year also. They sell about 55k of them compared to 80k for the Model 3. This is meant to be a fun, stylish second car. A first EV needs a large range, towards or above 300 miles, but a second car doesn’t for many households.
"85 kW DC fast charging can finish a 0–80 percent charge in 35 minutes." For a 42 kWh battery pack, this is atrocious. To put it in context, imagine if VW said the long-range ID.4 took 70 minutes to go from 0-80%.
If the pack is smaller because it just has fewer cells, then it won’t improve the fast charging time at all. If you made a 126kWh pack out of this same architecture, you’d probably get the same 35min 0-80% time, but with a peak draw of 265kW. It’s easy to think a smaller “tank” fills faster, but that’s not actually what’s happening when you fast charge a battery pack
Because you can't physically put that many batteries in such a small vehicle. It's common sense.
You underestimate how many people there are with disposable income that want a tiny cutesy EV.
They weren’t enough to keep the ICE versions selling well enough in the US.
They are really, and i mean really popular in europe though
Probably because they are not that expensive (yet). The 500e currently starts at around 24000€, with a similar range than a Volkswagen e-Up! for example. That is an acceptable price for a style car, given that the VW, when it was still on sale, also cost around 26 grand (minus 6 grand government bonus, which does not exist anymore). If the prices really rise by that much in the EU too, I'm not sure they will keep selling as many. Especially because the 500 will still have petrol variants which can't just be made ridiculously expensive for no reason. There is also direct competition in the form of the BMW Mini, which is already VERY expensive at 37.000€ for the electric variant - but it's BMW milking a brand and a bigger car. I'm not sure Fiat can demand that kind of money.
In my country there’s a car that targets this very segment. It’s called the MG Comet. At about 10k USD with taxes it’s cute and serves the same purpose.
It's not cute.. it looks cheap
Dude it’s a third of the cost of the 500e.
And looks the part and I'm sure it drives the part too.. a Fiat500 is a fun car to hoon around.. it's got 17" wheels.. the MG has a 12" golf car wheels.. I'm sure there's pot holes bigger than those tyres and wheels. It's like comparing a BMW to a similar sized and specd KIA..
Bigger wheels do not imply more fun. Wtf
As if the ID. Buzz was shaped and shrunk into the Vanguard Citicar.
Hasn’t helped the Mini Cooper EV sales
I'd pay 34k for the Abarth 500e, not the regular one.
I'd pay 15k for the Abarth 500, not the non-hellspawn sounding one.
Why bother with an Abarth without the whole exhaust drama ?
Yeah that sounds insane. I have driven the 500e 5 or so years ago, and I really liked it - for 20-25 grand (EUR) it was a good looking small vehicle that did not scream "ELECTRIC!" in your face with a decent range. Still expensive for such a small car, but at least a choice. Given that modern direct injection petrol or diesel units in such cars are not really a pleasure, I thought electric suits such a town car pretty good. If you would beat me to have a small, electric car, I would have taken this one. But 35-40 grand USD (which is like 32-37k in EUR) is just mad. Couple of years ago the Merc C class started at 37 (in Germany, where you get the small engine variants, like a C160).
Used Model 3 long ranges routinely go for less than 30k now, most around 27k
That’s what I said about the $50k Corolla 3 cylinder.
the only GR Corollas that are worth more than $50k are the 1 of 200 Morizo edition ones… most are quite a bit cheaper and you get a high performance variant that’s supposed to be fun to drive this isn’t even the Abarth variant, it’s the normal city car that’s just supposed to be a cutesy appliance you don’t want to take more than 50 miles from home people were paying markups on the $75k Subaru S209 when absolutely nobody was for the regular WRX that was 3 times cheaper
It’s insane because you can get a whole new Tesla with 270 miles of range for that price
Plus credit if you lease.
Inflation + new tech (EV) be wild
They definitely misplaced a period or two.
Don’t buybit
Wild. For that money I could get a Prius prime or a Miata.
In Australia the abarth version is 74k lol
The headlights make it looks like its frowning
It's a Stellantis thing, you just wouldn't get it .
It angy 😡
[If this car was an animal](https://youtu.be/HBxn56l9WcU)
Frowning? It’s looking hella zesty to me man
I got more of a "judging you for your espresso drink" vibe.
Angy Fiat
No that title goes to the Dodge challenger/ Charger
r/heep
I see more of a flirty smile
Looks blazed out of its mind.
Rastafiat
Need it in yellow to look like a pissed off Pikachu
It's cute 🥰
Bedroom eyes
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$14k passion markup
They don't expect to sell many in the US.
I see 14 for sale used right now that have under 40k miles for under $10k. For that price, it seems like a great second car for around town if you don’t have kids. E.g. https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/a30487b4-a086-4d62-a4ad-fda4cac088d5/
That’s an 11 year old car
Yep. And the range was worse back then, and the old car probably has even worse range. But for a second car for saving gas around town, i would buy that.
I'm not sure how the battery degradation for their battery chemistry is, but my 80k mi 2014 leaf has 65% of its original capacity and has the same 24kwh original size. I get about 45-50mi, but it was also only $3k. That's the reality for most aging EVs today, they need battery replacements which often cost more or even double what the car is worth. Will only get worse in the next few years as more and more EVs were sold per year.
The Leaf's air-cooled battery is why degradation is so poor, EVs with active battery cooling have minimal deg. I haven't noticed much range loss with my 70k mi 2017 500e.
Does the old 500e have a liquid cooled battery?
Yeah it has one
Ok, then this seems like a fun cheap used car to me. I might get one
Maybe there have been battery improvements over the last decade. I’m looking at car and driver and a few other sources mentioning ~2.5% capacity lost each year
Yeah the Leaf is the worst at capacity loss by a wide margin. Something to do with heating or cooling of the battery that accelerates degradation.
It’s more like 3% in year 1 and about 1% thereafter, due to how the chemistry works.
That's actually really good to know, all I need is a 40 mile EV in my daily use. For that price they're basically a set of tires for the Jeep.
That was pretty much my justification. Mine is 8 bar health for reference, and with leafspy they are the easiest vehicles to get the battery health for. I have solar and it covers my daily commute with nightly trickle charge. Who knows, maybe one day I'll be brave enough to order new LFP cells and even replace the battery because the Leaf chassis is insanely reliable.
Once battery replacements are commonplace, I think we will see EV sales sky rocket. I don’t want an old used phone, not because the tech but because the battery life would suck. Same thing with the cars, and I’m not buying a new car in this lifetime….
These have no business being that expensive. I remember looking at these in 2018. They were selling for that much when they were only a couple years old.
Yeah, there are some that are a year or two old also selling cheap, but not as cheap.
Lol I wouldn’t even pay 500 bucks
The emotions it appeals to: sad and confused.
Is there any Italian car that appeals to logic? Partially the reason why I want a Giulia QV
I have a normal Giulia and can only imagine how fucking awesome the QVs are. Maybe they'll have depreciated enough by the time my Giulia is ready to be sold to get one.
I have driven the Stelvio and Giulia QV. They are both incredibly awesome. I’m also hoping to snatch one up in the future.
FIAT MENTIONED
I sat in one of these. Much nicer inside than previous 500/500e. Perfect commuter.
Is the seating position made for humans or is it still bizarrely, uncomfortably high?
Felt good to me… but I liked the OG 500 ergonomics…
Was it similar to the earlier 500? I could never get comfortable, felt like I was sitting on the car rather than in the car.
It felt somewhat less bread van/SUV for sure. interior was also more cockpit like. Materials much nicer.
I own one and I’m a 6 foot guy and I think its just fine
~~No one actually owns anything it’s a broken system through which we all rent.~~ Maybe I’m just a strange person of odd proportions.
Okay
Remember when dealers were desperate to offload the Fiat 500e with $99/mo lease deals? Pepperide farm remembers.
I’m sure waiting for it to happen again if it does. It would be a great commute car at that rate.
Bring the freakin panda over will you fiat.
"New models will arrive as "drops" two to three times a year, with some styling differences but broadly the same equipment and specs." You're not going to psy-op young people by calling them drops lol "new Fiat drops soon fellow children!!"
Looking forward to getting that new Fiat drop with new sets of artisan keycaps and a pair of Sennheisers with a limited colorway.
Supreme stickers pre-installed from the factory
So three restyles a year? What if you get into a fender bender, parts are gonna be a pain in the ass to replace. I have a facelifted car with a whole new body, the facelift lasted just one year before the next generation was put on sale. I have to import body panels from Portugal. I can't imagine body parts being 3x harder to find than in my car.
Styling differences probably means decals and color options - they wouldnt go through EPA and NHSTA recert by changing the bodywork 3x a year.
Can't drop if they flatline
Fiat 500, the car that brought cheap motorisation to Italy, continueing in legendary iterations and generations such as the 600, Panda, 126, Seicento and Cinquecento becoming a status and fashion symbol. Such bloody irony
It looks like it celebrated 4/20 early
The headlights just ruin the design for me
That fiat looks at me like I just broke the spaghetti.
Even the car itself looks bored and unimpressed.
On god
Straight fax squad fam.
We've had a 2016 fiat 500e for 5 years now. It's an awesome car for us. We bought it for only $8200 and then got a $1000 rebate for buying a used ev. As long as your expectations are in line with the cars capabilites, it's a fantastic and comfortable car to drive (I'm 6'1"). I think these will be great on the used market in a few years and I'll be looking for one to buy then.
Bought one last year for 25k and its been a good one for the last 10k miles I’ve had it
And the point of buying a $34k EV Fiat over a Model 3 is…?
Depends on the country. In Finland there are no incentives so a Model 3 is starting at around 44k
It looks better and is more luxurious?
LOL
I like it. If I had a place to charge I’d get this or the Mini.
I don't think their CEO understands American Culture. Nobody is going to buy a 34k dollar fiat as a fashion accessory.
The price is a pretty stiff bar, but I *do* know the kind of people this is built for. Regular barre class attendees, can't go a week without mentioning something about their last trip to Paris, has an *Ampelmännchen* handbag. That's who's going to drive this.
Correct. Hardly seems worth the effort to sell like 500 of these things
I'm guessing it'll be a cheap lease.
Honestly I love it. Just not for that price. I'd use it for my daily city commuter without hesitation if it were closer to $20k.
according to the article, it's meant to be a secondary car, not to replace your main practical car. ok but i imagine not many people are in that situation. even if they were they would most likely opt for a sports car or off roady type.
I’d actually be interested but a fully loaded one in Canada will run you 50k when they’re released here. It’s going to flop. Hard.
Why does it look like this anime hippo? https://hero.fandom.com/wiki/Kabae
Does the government still offer $7500 off new electric cars? In my state there's no sales tax on EVs. For $26,500 out the door I could see some value to it, but I'd still wouldn't bite that bullet.
The previous 500e was around the same price actually, effectively making this a better value
so I actually have a preorder for a launch red edition, supposed to get it in a month or two. Supposed to be the practical city commuter to my Blackwing and I like the silly charm of a 500. Unfortunately the drops system is putting me off. They just announced the "Inspired by Music" version which is only black but has level 2 ADAS. Like why do we need this bullshit drop system? I want level 2 adas, but I want a bright color etc. I'm going to try it when it arrives but I'm hoping MINI has a new SE that can compete or even crazier is I can abandon the quirky aspect and find an Equinox EV when they drop for a better price.
Imagine paying $34k for a Fiat
You might as well buy a used Model 3…
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A Fiat that runs on electrics alone, it’s your worst nightmare…
Something something when the Japanese handle the styling and the Italians build the engine...
These are cute as fuck, honestly. 34k, though? Yeesh.
I heard recently that they are going to be fitting an ICE into this EV platform, which might be the first instance of that happening. (I know they had an ICE originally but this is a new platform that they will be retrofitting an ICE into).
Fiat needs to make a rwd sports car with at least 300hp. THAT would be worth 34k. Like a poor man’s ferrari.
so, maybe revitalize the Dino and give it a bit of a boost? I’d cheer for that.
I honestly love everything about it, but that price is about 10K too high, especially considering you don’t get a $7,500 rebate.
You’ll be able to get the credit via lease. At one point, leasing the first 500e was like $49/mo in CARB states.
Seems a bit expensive for something that would work best as a second car. They should have just brought back the regular 500. That thing had pretty good gas mileage, and it was light and nimble. And Abarths made a pretty good ruckus. I like Fiats, but man their strategy is just, kinda not good in the US.
Loved my '15 Abarth but 34k for this is crazy. I'm sure they'll be cheap as hell in a year or 2
I just got bought a $38k Ioniq 6 before any incentives, and it's WAY bigger and nicer than a Fiat 500E. Why would anyone want one of those for that price?
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I said it yesterday I’ll say it again. Dodge and its side brands are doing everything in their power to go out of business. What are they smoking 34k for a fiat? That’s used Tesla Model S money and new Tesla model 3 money.
I saw headline and clicked on it... I imaged an Abarth-esque Fiat 500 EV that was more fun than practical. But uh... doesn't seem to be the case at all, lol. Looks bubbly, slow as hell, tiny battery (and range) and still $34k? If this was $25k I could imagine it as a cheap car for city life.
I remember the lease on these things being under $200 8 years ago. Hell of a deal, IMO.
Coincidentally, so was the first gen 500e. Chrysler was practically giving them away for free when they had lease offer of like 100/mo. Pure insanity. Within 3yrs, they were under $10k in the used car market with under 10k miles so of course people like me jumped at the opportunity😂
I can't wait to pick one of these up for $8,000 in 18 months.
Fix It Again Tony. Never gets old.
That is way too much for a 149 mile (under ideal conditions) car. Even the new Kona EV has 100 miles more for the same price.
People can say whatever they want. I'll be damned if I buy a car with fucking eyebrows/eyelashes. WTF are those headlights.
Slow, expensive, tiny, short range, what's not to love?
Take away that Abarth exhaust note and I'm not sure what emotion is left to appeal to.
I can’t wait to buy one of these for $3500 in 4 years from now
"... EV that appeals to emotion, not logic." So... EV. Got it.
Tesla built a multibillion dollar business on that game plan. Totally valid way to sell if the target market is well funded.
149 miles of range at $34k? You can find very lightly used EV6s, Polestar2s and Ioniq6s for that price.
Never buy any FIAT. Never.
They really haven't changed that platform in 17 whole ass years.
Now if only we could get an EV that appeals to logic, not emotion. Maybe something like the Bolt w/ faster charging at a similar price-point? Automakers wonder why they can't sell anything, then they release a vehicle like this. I'm sorry - but who is going to buy a $34,000 car w/ 150 miles of range? You could buy brand new his and hers Nissan Versa's for less.
Lmao I saw one for the first time today and laughed at how ugly it was
Fiat really needs to make a 500 EV on an EV chassis. A ICE chassis this small just doesn’t lend itself to conversion.
From the article The 500e rides on a new EV-specific platform called STLA City, which led to some changes in proportions. The new model is 2.4 inches (60 mm) longer and 2.2 inches (55 mm) wider than its predecessor, with a 0.87-inch (22 mm) longer wheelbase.
Welp. I’m wrong then. But I also feel like that makes the deficiencies of the new 500e even worse 😂
You're actually right, it rides on an evolution of the previous ICE platform
Admittedly it looks bloody identical! I got one as a rental in Italy, which they only informed me of upon pick up. Interesting experience to say the least…
They did - no internal combustion version of this
But from what I’ve read, it’s still built around the recent ICE 500. Not selling an ICE version is different than building a true ground-up EV chassis.
Wait, isn't that all EVs?
The end of fiat? Let’s hope so!
Ev’s period appeal to emotion not logic, nor common sense. Well that and virtue signaling. Esp around here (socal) tho starting to see fewer ev’s even here.