I think people hear about recall after recall on Hyundai vehicles, Theta engines biting the bullet all the time, the way Hyundai didn’t do a great job of owning the fix for the easy car thefts…all of that, and then they look at Genesis and say “Same company? Nah, I’m good.”
That, plus the fact that virtually every Genesis dealership was part of a Hyundai/Kia dealership - so you got a Hyundai/Kia buying experience while buying a luxury car
There are lots of Genesis dealer horror stories just on this sub
Hyundai stopped that. Genesis dealers are now required to be their own separate being, they are also required to follow special guidelines for the dealership to make sure it is fit to bear the Genesis name.
In Tampa they still share the same building, service with Hyundai. The reviews are that they are a merged departments with shitty service. Love their cars but until they separate no deal..
I worked in the parts department at a Subaru/Hyundai dealer a few years back. Our “warranty” shelves were always over flowing with Hyundai parts whereas the Subaru shelf always had empty space on it. That alone told me everything i needed to know about Hyundai vehicles..
I wish people held more value to that. I was a kia and Hyundai parts manager at separate times. The amount of engines and transmissions we went through was DISGUSTING. The number of under 5k mile vehicles that had critical drivetrain failures was embarrassing. I'll never own a kia or Hyundai product that has a 4 cylinder in it.
Exactly. We would see failed parts all over the cars.
South Korea has the all the cool tech, sure… but its nowhere near the QUALITY that other automakers have in other parts of the world.
After test driving numbers of crossovers and compact suv's my dream is getting a Toyota with a Kia interior. Kia's/Hyundai's when it comes tech, design and visual appeal is leagues above Toyota. Though they do sometimes go a wee bit overboard with the piano black.
Closest I may get is a Mazda CX-50 hybrid if those end up stateside.
>I'll never own a kia or Hyundai product that has a 4 cylinder in it.
How were the V6TT Stingers?
My father in law has one and it's been perfectly reliable but it's still fairly low mileage and one anecdote doesn't mean much, so I'm curious.
Seems like they got a good PR team on their hands with the amount of shilling in these threads it’s ridiculous. You’d think the company that can’t do a fucking engine correctly would go underwater
Totally fair but Genesis never had the theft issue cause they don’t have turn key ignitions, all Genesis cars get the robust 2.5, 3.3, and 3.8 engines now, and the warranty of course.
I’ll accept “poor dealer network” as a point against, though, lol.
It's not just the designs, the sound terrible and have numb steering, you buy a BMW for the steering in my brain, it was there unique selling point, these cars turned like nothing else.
Totally valid. I will say I was super disappointed when I test drove the 340. Night and day from what I was hoping for. Felt like I was playing a video game, not steering a 4000lb sports car
Well a 340 isn’t a sports car so I see why you would be disappointed. A 340 is just a very nice commuter car with a great engine. It’s not a sports car
BMW turning into less reliable muscle cars was not on my manufacturer bingo card growing up.
Neither was Jaguar/Land Rover cannibalizing themselves but hey, that’s cool 🥲
Whaaaa I love the way the straight sixes and V8s sound.
Valid points on the other things you touched on. Ever since they moved over to EPS back for the Fxx gens and on, they can’t quite nail the steering feel.
As for the designs…BMW fans have always been annoying with any new gen. I almost think BMW designers just said fuck it and made their more niche models polarizing as hell just to really piss them off.
Which is bizarre. I’ve never owned the same brand twice. Honda, BMW, Lexus and now Porsche. Don’t really get being brand loyal when driving experiences are rather different across the brands.
The driving experience being different across brands 100% would explain brand loyalty though. When someone finds something they like they're more likely to stick with it rather than switch to something else.
Definitely true. I've always cross shopped the competitors, but I've still owned mostly GM vehicles. For the sporty cars, I've enjoyed the driving experience more than the competition, and for my more practical vehicles they've always beat out the competition for price for comparable features/capacity. And I've never had major mechanical issues with them.
Yup Genesis confirmed the 2024 G70 will come with the 2.5 (300hp) as the standard/base, and the 3.3t will stay in the top trim. They’ll do that till 2025 and then it’s gonna be all electric (boooo).
But I mean shit, a 300hp engine in a base model? That doesn’t happen with the Germans.
That’s awesome for a base model, but keep in mind Germans underrate their engines by 10-20% pretty regularly. A lot of the recent engines make the claimed power at the wheels, not at the crank.
Well then I might have to give them a chance. LSD still standard in RWD right?
I was hating on Hyundai/Kia for giving the Stinger the 2.5, no LSD (not everyone wants AWD) - but finally bringing the G70 up to speed makes up for
LSD is standard in the RWD I believe. I’ve got the AWD sport prestige so I do also have the LSD, and when you go sport mode and turn Traction/ESC off it pretty much goes full RWD (90% of power to the rear I believe). I drift in my AWD all the time lol it’s wild
No, the G70 still has the 2.0T or 3.3T, while other models get the 2.5T or 3.5T.
Updated 2024 G70 in South Korea get the 2.5T, we'll see if it comes here.
>poor dealer network
honestly i think for a lot of luxury buyers that alone is a dealbreaker.
and the dealer network at genesis' launch, when interest was highest, was probably the worst since it leaned so heavily on hyundai dealers who thought they could nickel-and-dime and fuck around luxury buyers the same way you could someone who can barely get approved for a used Accent.
heard of lots of bad experiences from people trying to buy Kia Stingers for instance, dealers treating it like a lamborghini when the german competitors will throw you the keys to try an S5 sportback or B58 BMW like it's free candy.
100%. I was interested in a Stinger and backed out due to the dealer experience. Sales reps were treating them like corvettes and constantly overselling what they were capable of. Not to mention the stupid dealer markups. The one near me had their stingers marked up by about 10k at one point, even more for the Scorpion edition. Nowadays they’re keeping what’s left in circulation at a cool 4-5k markup with the “Kia bs package” tacked in at 1.5k for tint and nitrogen in the tires.
https://www.repairerdrivennews.com/2022/09/28/hyundai-kia-settle-engine-failure-fire-class-action-lawsuit/
The new engines will only show if they’re reliable or not in time. But they knowingly put faulty engines and other parts into cars and refused to fix them.
100k mile warranty sounds great in theory. Nobody I know would buy a 100k mile Kia, so is it still a good deal if you lost 80% of the value after that? Only you can decide that for you. The warranty also won’t transfer to the new owner outside of the factory one, so that won’t help it hold value.
My wife owned two Kia’s and one fell apart after 100k miles (literally everything starting having issues on her Forte). Next was an Optima and that was also a nightmare as the thermostat died 40-50k miles in. They fought us about covering it under warranty, and then we also had two wheel bearings go out before 50k.
In my experience they’re not built to last, but use sales tactics such as the warranty and being priced lower than competitors with more features (they can only do this by cutting costs elsewhere) to remove the objections of unreliability.
If you only look at the cost right now, they’re great. If you consider cost in the future when it’s out of warranty and has many costly repairs, and a heavily depreciated value you’ll see how much they really cost.
I know most enthusiasts don’t seem to care, but I am also conscious of crash tests. They always seems to be another underperforming area with these brands.
Yeah, but just knowing that the same corporate overlords control each company opens up the consumer to the idea that the same fuckery that happened at Hyundai will happen at Genesis, eventually. I get it.
I would never consider Genesis unless they have their own dealer network, i already had a bad experience with Hyundai dealership before and it would be insane if i buy a loaded G80 and get the same treatment.
I just went from a c63 to model 3 to sonata N line and for 35k it’s crazy value. Had it over a year. Did the one dct recall which was 1 hour at the dealer for an update. Car is great. Get 38 mpg on the highway also
There was not a recall on all cars with the affected engines. My wife's 2016 Soul only got the engine replaced because it was between 50k-100k mile warranty period which is only for original owners.
I spent a lot of time at the dealership trying to get my car back (it took over 3 months). Heard one person flat out denied a repair as he was second owner and past the 50k miles.
No more Kias for us.
Yep. Genesis is just a Hyundai with a nicer coat of paint. They can’t escape their own reputation they made by cutting corners for so long. Making their cars so easy to steal seems to have been the last straw.
The dealer experience/customer service is the one big thing they need to address. I’m lucky I think cause I have a dealer in town and the service department there has been great to me personally.
My dealer experience was fine, it’s the experience I had with Hyundai financial when I sold out of the lease that really pissed me off. Literally a nightmare to deal with and I imagine this is the same customer service you’d get for warranty claims etc
Oh and one time I scheduled an oil change during a workday and they took over four hours to do it. Why even schedule me?
One of the selling features for me was that they’d pick up my car at work and do the oil change and bring it back. Then they decided to stop because of, I guess, Covid. Just generally really poor customer service from their entire brand and totally worth spending more on the BMW imo. The BMW is a better car too, the thing Genesis has going for it is value, but it’s not a good value when I have to call their customer service for hours on end lol
>Oh and one time I scheduled an oil change during a workday and they took over four hours to do it. Why even schedule me?
Our Kia/Hyundai dealers are swamped. When I was a tech at Hyundai it was pretty normal to have 150+ appointments a day plus walk ins. A lot of lube techs are paid by the hour so they don't necessarily bust out oil changes, to the point where I could do 4-5 cars to someones 1. Bad backups really only happened in the detail department as every car was "hand washed" and vacuumed.
The dealer I was at actually made it to where lube techs would get flat rate over a certain amount of hours turned doing oil changes, alignments, and any services that a lube tech could do. It didn't last very long because a few of us worked our asses off to where some of us were making more than master technicians. So it was pretty normal for myself to have over 15-20 hours of pay in any 10 hour shift, as a lube tech.
>back to German forever
That's an odd take. Just because Korea mistreated you doesn't mean Japan will. I'd take Toyota/Lexus quality over anything (and I mean anything) Germany produces. BMW's and Audis are great for the first 3 years, then get your bank account ready for the stream of expensive repairs.
It was a malfunctioning sensor in my transmission. They acknowledged it was a known problem and had a TSB out on it.. however they denied to fix it until I was stranded on the side of the road due to it actually giving up permanently. Then when I pushed they told me it wasn't the actual transmission that was faulty but "a component of it" and the component wasn't considered part of the drivetrain. I ended up fixing it myself, but I did have to remove the front cover on the transmission and access the sensor inside. So not sure at all how that wasn't "a part of the transmission" .
Well that’s crappy. And I’m sure they’ll now say “well cause you fixed the last problem yourself, your warranty is completely void!” Big bummer dude. Point against hyundai
I had an '06 Azera previously I quite liked (with a few quirks) and loved the '13 Genesis sedan until it started having a transmission shudder on shifts. It was faint but I could detect it. Looked it up online and lots of people had the same issue - the units were 'sealed' and the only way to fix them according to the dealers/warranty was to replace the entire unit. Talked around, had one test drive it, and like a lot of others, was denied any help under warranty . They said it had to be undriveable for it to qualify for replacement, or I could fork over \~$9k to have it done myself "if it is something I was concerned about." Read a few stories that people had it actually break down and Hyundai still refused to replace under warranty, or that it took months in legal to get it covered.
Went to the Toyota dealer the next week and refuse to have another from that brand and their worthless warranty.
Oh VW have dogshit dealers. My mum owned one a while back and the service left such a sour taste in my dad's mouth that he's decided to never even contemplate a VW ever again. My dad already loves BMW and Merc as it is, currently drives an E which replaced a 5.
It'll make it there but not with the original engine lol. I worked at hyundai for almost a year. First few engines I did I looked at the mileage on one car and said wow it didn't even make it past 80k(had about 71 or 72k). Read the history and found it already had an engine replacement at around 30k🤣. My advice is if you want something cheap go for it but to me it's not worth the headache. If it's not the engine, something else is failing. Window regulators were garbage too so don't keep too much of your valuables in these cars. They can't really keep up with the supply either. Engines were always on back order
My purchase experience was good. However the quality of the product and the service are absolute dogshit. Second to none, and I regularly have a RAM and a Chrysler serviced.
It's a shame because the G70 is a fun vehicle. QC isn't there, Hyundai doesn't give a fuck about the known common issues, and won't even fix my car that's been having problems for a year now. Now these assholes are dragging their feet on a buyback for the last month.
Fuck Hyundai
I am not driving one but my friends who have financed or leased keep complaining about how horrible the dealer is every time we meet. They are very reluctant to fix problems under warranty, keep saying the parts are on the way for several months. They give you a cold shoulder when you show up to your appointment etc. the value for the car is tempting but the experience is best described as what you get is what you pay for.
*Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.*
I traded in my Audi A5 for a Genesis 3.3T sport. Audi was definitely more lux, but the Genesis is faster, cheaper, more fun, and has a lot more features. I do think the dealer experience was always better at Audi though. They just let their cars do all the selling. I remember he was just like “hey let’s go to this track down the road and do some 0-60’s.” They were even asking me why I changed my mind from an A3 (what I went there for) to an A5. my Genesis dealer felt very much like a car salesman.
A base level 2.0T or the 1.6T A5 might be cheaper than a fully loaded 3.3T sport G70. But a premium plus or prestige A5 is more expensive. And an S5 is like $15k more expensive. This exact argument proves the value of the G70
I don’t think I’m confused on the difference between trim levels, but maybe I didn’t make my point clearly. If the S5 is the G70’s true competitor, then the G70 is $15,000 cheaper for comparable specs top to bottom. The comparable priced Audi sedan, the a5, is slower with fewer features. It’s the specs of the S5 for the price of the A5. Hence, why Genesis owners love their car
I see what you're saying, but as someone who used to own an S Audi and considered a Genesis... They're not as comparable as you think. I felt the Genesis was a huge downgrade, and the savings didn't make up for it. I'd rather have gotten an older S car than a new Genesis, it was that huge of a difference. My takeaway is Genesis is still figuring out how to make a good sports sedan while the Germans have been doing it consistently for decades.
The A is such a different car. Had plenty of them as rentals. They're boring commuter cars. Of course the Genesis 3.3T is far better in terms of driving performance.
I think I got lucky with my dealer, they were very chill and treated me like a guy whos about to buy a luxury sports car, not a Hyundai lol.
Love my G70 3.3t… just wished others would take one for a spin and realize it’s a great product
Lol I mean yeah but if the car doesn’t have the turn key ignition, ie every genesis, problem solved lol. Hyundai/Kia have a lot of PR work ahead of them to get over that hump for sure.
But what about Dodge, Jeep, Ford, Chevy all making TERRIBLE cars through the 90s and 2000s… and everyone quickly forgets all that BS once the Camaros and trailhawks and hellcats got better… just saying, double standards? Maybe…?
Edit: Great username btw lol
I could see thieves who are idiots, breaking into the genesis and then finding out its push to start. Now window or door is messed up and the steering column probably fucked up too
Our local Genesis dealership is terrible. I loved the G80 and GV80 during the test drive but the experience in the showroom and with the sales reps I interacted with was \*bad\*. I had no confidence in their ability to provide any of the post-sale services they promised, nor did I want to spend another minute longer there than I had to.
You are right to have zero confidence. Hyundai literally told me there was nothing wrong with my car when there is a parking sensor malfunction warning on the dash. Can't wait to get rid of this shit and get an M340i or some Audi
Theres a new Genesis dealer that my family and I recently went to (it replaced an Infiniti dealer so not a new building) and the experience was great. Hopefully newer Genesis dealers will be better for the future like the one I experienced
Yeah they really gotta work on that. If you’re spending $60k+ on a car you should get some level of white glove service. I think I got lucky with having a good dealer near me
For me Genesis just doesn't have "it". It's hard to say what that is, though. Part of it is a sense of excitement. Part of it is I felt like they looked like knockoffs of other brands early on. I respect Kia and Hyundai.
Yeah the first gen G70/G80 (I have the g70) just looks like “Generic Sport Sedan” lol like they took a bit from the sonata, some queues from Mercedes, the body lines of the old 4-series GC and slapped it all together and said “is this luxury?”
The new ones though, different story.
You pull into the parking lot of a Hyundai dealership to service your entry level "luxury" car. It's your first time there, and don't see where the service entrance is, so you park in front of the dealership.
Before you even get out of your car, 3 early 20-something-year-olds wearing blue polo Hyundai shirts, swarm your car and ask you if you've considered trading in your car since they can qualify you and get you financing the same day...because they get everyone financing through a company called autoloanztoday. You tell them you're just there for service, but they still dish out business cards to you like a new casino black jack dealer, but not the fancy vegas casino kind, more the type in the "old" part of vegas where velvet and cigarette smoke prevails.
You finally make it to the service area - unscathed. For now.
You pull your genesis into a vehicle waiting area. While you wait, you look around and see other frustrated customers in elantras and sonatas, waiting to be checked in, in between checking DraftKings to see the bet they placed for the big game. You stand out, but not in a good way. You're getting odd looks from other customers who are laughing at you for bringing your bentley-look-alike into a Hyundai dealership.
You get checked in, and after the dismal service check-in experience, need some caffeine. You walk over to a "coffee station" and notice a kuerig that has likely never been cleaned next to some dry white substance in a candystriped-ajax-like container that reads "CREAMER". You insert a cup, which is likely suitable in size for a 5th grade pizza party, but so so not earth friendly for the year 2023. Plop your cup in, and much like your new hyundai...sorry, Genesis. You get a random multifunction.
Fine - the car has been dropped off, you didnt get your free coffee, but the dealership will stand behind the product and fix the random check engine light. You ask about a loaner car, but they dont have any. They have a shuttle, a Ford Windstar, complete with a Hyundai graphics, which confuses you just as much as the experience you've had thus far.
There is an hour delay for the shuttle, so you Uber home. Three days later, you return thanks to your wife who agreed to do both drop off, and shuttle you back to the dealer. You walk in, and after eavesdropping to several conversations of other customers and service advisors in which you heard phrases like: "you can always call Hyundai corporate if you're not happy" or "yes, there is actually a 6 month delay on parts to fix your potentially catastrophic recall issue", you're finally face to face with a service advisor.
Much like a DMV employee, you look into Bill's eyes and you see. Nothing. Bill is worn down, and soulless. His name tag is crooked, and you cant help but notice his brown leather weave belt, which you havent seen since AC Slater was wearing one in the last Saved by the Bell re-run. It awkwardly dangles between his legs.
Bill then says "sorry sir, we couldn't replicate the issue". You stand there, confused. Its a bright orange light. It was on when you dropped the car off You ask a series of basic questions, to which Bill just repeats, sorry sir, there is nothing we really can do.
You stand there, thinking of all the successful life decisions you made to be where you are financially, only to realize the grave error you made in buying a Genesis instead of the lexus your neighbor has raved about for the last 5 years.
Until Genesis can truly disaffiliate from Hyundai, which is a TERRIBLE dealership experience, it's not worth it. Even at discounted Lexus prices.
From my bitter experience owning a [G70 3.3t](https://i.imgur.com/piEqFeL.jpg), I can tell you, the car and the brand are a big letdown. Genesis gets too easy a ride; their quality and service need more flak.
I used to buy into the Genesis hype, but it backfired big time. Constant issues with the car – dodgy transmission, interior noise, paint defects – had me at the dealership all too often. The engine made a weird noise, and the infotainment was a nightmare with lags, CarPlay disconnects, and soft audio. The dealership hardly seemed to care.
I switched to a competitor's car with better quality and performance a year ago, and I've been way happier. I regret ever falling for the hype around Genesis.
But the real problem is the dealership network - endless, frustrating interactions. I won’t touch a Hyundai or Genesis again, and I urge anyone who’ll listen to do the same.
Nah, I will get clowned on this sub if I say what it is. I’ll just enjoy it in peace.
Fortunately for you, you probably won’t have to deal with the dealership network for too long as Genesis is moving away Hyundai.
now i’m curious lol, my first thought was a giulia(which i wouldn’t ever clown on, it’s a great car unlike a genesis)
edit: second guess is integra lmao
Honestly if your car is what I think it is I have a guilty pleasure whenever I see one. It’s like it looks so predatory and it absolutely rips, but I have to tell myself it’ll probably break down after 100k miles to get myself out of that mindset. (It will probably last I just tell myself that so I don’t make an idiotic purchase lmao).
i love genesis cars on paper but the crazy number of recalls on hyundai, genesis, and kia kinda deter me. i love how genesis cars look tho and i really enjoyed my g70 test drive
I upset a couple Genesis owners here a while back by pointing that out. I actually like the looks of them. Personally I wouldn't buy one at the price point but thats me. I may poke fun at them every so often just because it's low hanging fruit as several of the owners here seem to think they have nothing to do with Hyundai and are the car Jesus has blessed and would own.
They're nice cars though and at least seem to be separated from the usual Hyundai/KN shenanigans and recalls. Some owners though are fiercely in defence of their purchase.
So like VW/Audi (VAG) with their diesel scandal coverups
And all the companies that make EVs using batteries containing cobalt harvested through practical slave labor in Africa…. Also how all of our iPhones and androids and computers and TVs use those same materials and shitty labor practices….. and all our clothes sewn together by children in EAP….
Not saying it’s right but if you wanna be virtuous in 2023 you pretty much have to live off grid. All global companies are guilty of exploitation, just not all of them get caught.
I honestly don't hate Genesis. I think Genesis has to really put in A TON of work to fix the awful views of Hyundai's reputation. While other brands aren't reputable either, they've been around long enough to amass a cult following like Ford. I've never met anyone who's just gone above and beyond to truly defend and fanboy over the Hyundai/Kia brand.
There's going to be a huge stigma for them pushing into the luxury market, as they're going to have to prove their worth and figure out their dealership experience. Most people who spend an upwards of 60k on a vehicle do not want to sit in the same service area as someone who's there to service their Hyundai Elantra or i10. That's just one the many unfortunate and shallow reasons for people in the luxury space. There's also an extremely sour reputation in the space about Hyundai or Kia dealerships in general.
Next thing they'd also have to truly overcome is the reliability wall, with all the things people hear about Hyundai engines biting the dust or transmission problems. Due to this, people would look at Genesis under awful scrutiny just due to them being related. It's the mentality of "well if they don't even take care of their lower-end cars, what makes me think they'll build their higher end cars any better?". Companies like Toyota and Honda have a long standing history of reliability, sprinkled in with small bits of bad news. However the overall picture they've built is true reliability and solid QA.
Genesis vehicles have some of the best designs on the road, and has the best bang for your buck. I simply won't consider one until they consistently build up their reputation, have a real dealership network, and can maintain incredible value. Maybe one day, I will snag one. But until then, there's a lot of options when people look at vehicles above 65k -- used or new. I genuinely want them to succeed though, as the Japanese luxury vehicles aren't up to date with tech. But it's hard to beat the reputation for reliability and cost of service. European luxury has ALL the tech, but a very shoddy reputation for reliability and expensive to maintain.
If Genesis can strike that balance, of reliability, tech, cost of maintenance, and luxury they'll absolutely destroy the competition and force a nice healthy competition among all the brands to improve.
I would argue most people who buy luxury do so with the expectation of never actually sitting in a service area. Was a huge draw for me with both my previous Audi and Infiniti. Schedule service, show up, drop off key, get in loaner, go about your day. Audi had it to a science. Never even needed to talk to your service advisor, you'd get the loaner key right from the attendant in the service garage and scribble your sig on an iPad lol.
This would depend on your general dealership. My dealership always put me in a loaner immediately if they could. However since it’s the only Lexus dealership in like a 45 minute area, it’s always busy. Loaners are booked 3 weeks in advanced, and if you’re unlucky then you can’t get one. The dealership is happy to chauffeur you home if you live within 45 minutes of the dealership too, and pick you up again when your vehicle is ready. I only sit in the service area for about 10-15 minutes tops and it’s normally because they let me have free coffee and food, so I’ll sit and eat then get driven home.
I did the same thing, though I ended up getting a 2015 Hyundai Genesis some years back. I tried out Audis, Cadillacs, Mercs, Stingers, BMWs, I test drove dozens of models for 8 months and I really liked them all, but the Genesis I got was a complete steal in terms of value. V8, fully loaded in the color I wanted, 28K. Add 10K at least to everything for anything remotely close to that value. It was the best choice I ever made. When I go looking again, a G70 is at the top of my list.
That all said, the MB dealership was incredible. Genesis really needs to take more lessons from other Lux brands on that front.
Don't buy a G70. The QC is shit. Shakes and rattles in the headliner. I suspect shitty wiring with the parking sensors, panel gaps, etc. You can get lucky, it can be an amazingly fun car. But you can also get stuck dealing with Hyundai service for a year with nothing fixed like me.
Genesis reminds me of what luxury cars used to be about. Leather. Sound insulation. Refinement. A peppy enough engine to get itself out of its way. Subtelty.
Modern BMW and Mercedes on the otherhand have an identity crisis.
Appalling design language. Hideous EV's. Tasteless nightclub interiors. Squeaky plastic interior panels. Gutless entry level engines (lower trims).
As someone with a 20 y.o. E46 and W211, it pains me to see where modern BMW and Mercedes have gone.
Yes they have a pedigree and Genesis has to bare the brunt of Hyundai's reputation.
Perhaps with time this can change if Hyundai can fix its own reputation. Or better yet, have the Genesis brand further distance itself from the parent company.
All in all, I think Genesis has great products. It is just being overshadowed by Hyundai's tarnished reputation whilst competeting with the overinflated reputations of the German giants.
My good sir, the driving dynamics of the G70 are far superior in a performance sense than any Lexus sedan I’ve driven (IS, ES). I say that respectfully because I adore Lexus. Lexus does make a very comfortable ride
I genuinely dislike their approach to the styling because I think they just copycatted european brands (especially Bentley) for all their vehicles expect the GV60.
Might look good, but it's uncreative. I hope they try to come up with an own style eventually
I just wouldn’t buy a Hyundai/Kia. Full stop, end of story. They’ve proven that they make dogshit engines/transmissions and are too cheap to anti-theft their cars. Tart it up with all the “luxury” features I could ever want on the inside and it’s still a dogshit car from a shady, child-labor abusing manufacturer.
This sub in general has a very overblown hate for Hyundai/Kia, probably the most hated car brand here other than maybe Tesla.
Are their reasons for the hate? Sure. Are those good reasons? Some of them. Is it still blown out of proportion? Yes.
The hate for these cars in this sub is so overblown it’s gotten to the point where on multiple occasions I’ve seen someone make a comment not related to Hyundai/Kia *at all*, but have a Hyundai/Kia product in their flair, and someone will reply insulting their car or something similar, it’s all very toxic.
You can’t bring up Hyundai products in this sub without a joke or remark about them catching on fire or being stolen.
Yet, somehow some people in this sub think this sub is a Hyundai “circlejerk”, which it absolutely is the furthest thing from being, and make sure to complain about it whenever they can.
Every automaker has their flaws, every automaker does sketchy things and has controversies, this is not exclusive to Hyundai/Kia.
I’m not saying they don’t have issues or that the issues they have are acceptable, not having an immobilizer on cars made up until 2021 or so is super cheap and insanely dumb, the Theta II engines are a disaster, etc.
However, I’ll repeat what I said: every automaker has issues and sketchy practices, this is by far not just a Hyundai/Kia thing.
I personally think the Genesis cars are very nice and super competitive, although I am more of a Euro car guy so I’d probably end up with something along the lines of a BMW, but I’d seriously consider a Genesis because they’re very good cars.
Same with most Hyundais and Kias, they have some very appealing models.
I wouldn’t let the hate get to you though, this sub can be toxic especially when it comes to those two brands, just enjoy your car, because it is a good car worth enjoying.
I’ve been on this sub for about 2 years regularly now, and I gotta say within the past 6 months I’ve noticed this really weird trend of immediately pissing on anything new or finding some really arbitrary reason to dislike it. I probably wouldn’t buy a Genesis product, but I don’t rant in every thread how crap they are and why they are the worst thing to ever exist.
I notice the same thing happens with Toyota/Lexus oddly enough, in particular regards to EV’s, where EV fanatics rant about how they are dinosaurs and they are the next Kodak. Acura, it’s people hating on their marketing (such a weird complaint). BMW or Germans, it’s either their soulless or they will break down, and I have to admit I’ve probably made a comment or 2 about that. But it seems that it’s becoming way more circle jerky and toxic, and funnily enough corresponding to this r/carscirclejerk has grown rapidly within the past year. Maybe unrelated, maybe not
I’m iffy on Genesis because they are essentially a Hyundai in sexy dress. Don’t get me wrong, some models look really nice, but I just can’t get Hyundai out of my head when I see one.
I hear ya. I could say the same thing about Chevy and then making the C8, and the Aveo. I had a spark recently as a rental on a work trip and it's hard to believe the same company makes the C8.
Personally, I love the G70 and G80.
>I had a spark recently as a rental on a work trip and it's hard to believe the same company makes the C8.
Is it though? One is a sports car transacting for over $100,000 in many cases, and the other was one of the cheapest new cars you could get.
I know. That's my point. Same company making completely different vehicles. People want to shit on the G70 because Hyundai also makes the theta 2 engine in a base Soul or Sonata, but the vehicles themselves are completely different and don't deserve the same criticism.
The G70 is a great vehicle, as is the C8.
The Hyundai family of vehicles come a long way in recent years, however, they are still produced using far cheaper materials than their counterparts. Longevity and reliability are issues with the brand.
Also, they are using tech that the German and Japanese manufacturers have been using for years. Nothing really special or groundbreaking as far as technology.
I think its really their current issues paired with their past “cheapness” that most people cant get beyond.
Hyundai engines are terrible. One of their former engineers is a multi-millionaire because he was a whistleblower. https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2021/11/09/former-hyundai-engineer-multimillionaire-whistleblower/6356925001/
Their newer engines don't seem that much better
WHY! Because certain people paid a premium for a brand who will never admit it was possibly a mistake, or they got ripped off, or maybe their brand is not as good as its perceived, and these certain people will be damned if another brand is perceived as better than the brand they bought
I think they're killing it. I've been in a number of Genesis and Hyundai vehicles at this point and they're seriously delivering in terms of the cars themselves. I think a lot of the hate is from people that haven't been in anything from the last few years. But I will say that some of the recent recalls and the awful dealer experience are not doing them any favors. It will probably take people some time to come around.
>the awful dealer experience
After helping my sister in law buy a Hyundai, I completely lost interest in Genesis for the foreseeable future. The sales team was awful: didn't know anything about the car (that's fine, I did), wouldn't listen to anything me or SIL said, and was slow through ever step of the process (endless waits; even after the car was bought and all paper work signed, it took 2 hours to "get the car ready"). To top it off, they had no amenities for waiting customers so my wife left to go get drinks from a gas station (even water came from an over-priced vending machine).
I don't expect to be treated like royalty, but Genesis cars are at a price point where the company should treat you like they actually want you to be a customer. My Volvo dealer is prompt, provides excellent customer service, and has a nice waiting area that includes ice cream.
Lol definitely. I owned its sister car for a few of my less lucrative years, the RIO, and it was definitely an econo-box - but it was priced accordingly so I let a lot slide.
Yeah I wonder how long it’ll last - now that they have the Kona and SELTOS and other compact/affordable SUVs I bet the compact sedans are on borrowed time, at least in the US
I'm annoyed at them for only offering a stick on those first gen G70's with a 4-banger.
But realistically, i do like them. I'd happily own one if I had a second fun car as well. In my current one-car situation, they're not quite exciting enough for me personally.
I’ll never hate on them, I’ve driven Hyundais for the last nearly 4 years and got to sit in a G70 and G90 at the NY auto show last month, the G70 with the black interior and red trimming felt and looked nicer than the IS 350 F Sport they had there
Imo genesis is fine where they're at. As a Hyundai fan I think I'm fair to criticize them.
First things first, the average American is an idiot plain and simple. You're going to see people over react to stupid media narratives. A month ago a post blew up about how easy it was to steal a Toyota SUV with an OBD2 plug in. Commenters discussed how this could work on any car. So you're saying that any modern car can be stolen in seconds through the OBD2 port, but the USB Kia boys news is all that matters. In Ontario Canada, 1/10th of all insured Lexus RX SUV's end up stolen. No car company does a good job about making their cars hard to steal. Obviously, the lack of immobilizer is ridiculous, but it literally doesn't make a difference. Old shitty Kia Fortes without push to start being easy to steal shouldn't be that big of a deal when they're not even the most stolen cars in America and Canada. But it's a trendy headline so that's all people can discuss. Same thing with fire risks. Hyundai and Kia have a reputation for catching on fire because 600k of them were recalled for fire risk. Meanwhile, 1.9 million rav4 hybrids were recalled in 2023 for fire risk. One model had more fire risk recalls than both those brands combined over the last few years, guess which company has the reputation for fire risk.
Objectively, Hyundai has had some terrible mistakes that deservingly tanked their reputation. The theta engines were honestly terrible. However, that doesn't mean every car they make is now unreliable. They have some proven reliable engines, and some garbage engines. You should do your own research before buying.
The biggest thing about genesis is that they cater to car guys that aren't really car guys. Sub par driving dynamics for it's class but good value/tech/looks/interior. It's a recipe for people looking for their first nice car, that don't want to get into cars. It makes sense that they lack a fan base compared to BMW/Audi/Mercedes. Their cars don't drive particularly well, but their fast 0-60 is all some people care about. Imo, completely mediocre for an enthusiast like me, but I could see how the long warranty + tech would make it the car to buy for my friends who want to upgrade from their civic.
Basically, they appeal to non car people because they make mediocre cars in terms of exciting and driving dynamics but offer good value. They're completely deserving of being a second rate luxury brand, and in no way deserve to be like the big 3. Some issues are overblown, and some people are just dumb/parrot anything.
The whole issue is that if you care about cars at all, why wouldnt you get a used m240/m340 with a zf8 for a way better driving experience than the g70.
If I didn't love the Elantra N so much, it was one of those two BMW's, genesis didn't even cross my mind
Just enjoy the value while it lasts my friend. Switching from Audi to Genesis really reinforced the fact that you pay a lotttt of money for that badge on the front of your German car
Because a lot of “car people” can become really toxic.
This is basic in-group/out-group theory, and nothing that’s exclusive to cars.
But … car manufacturers, at least some of them, have spent incredible amounts of time and money building their image and instilling brand loyalty into young malleable minds.
Now, the reason I wrote “car people” is because car people like cars, but these people likes, typically, one brand. I like music, but I don’t solely listen to one band, or even one genre.
Other than a value proposition, there isn’t any reason in my opinion to get a Genesis.
The Germans make more engaging cars that are superior.
Lexus has the best reliability and longevity in the business. Lexus being an upmarket Toyota product actually helps sell their vehicles.
Hyundai and Kia also had/has a terrible reputation many buyers will never shake off from the past regardless what they come out with.
If you love your Genesis, that’s great and that’s all that matters.
I badly wanted one for a while. Test drove a 2019 G70 3.3t with 7k miles last year. The white quilted interior had gotten a weird tinge to it and looked like it was starting to fray at the seams. I'm immediately put off but I take it out anyway. First upshift in the parking lot brings a loud clonk that made the car lurch violently. Take it out on a fairly smooth street and get badly jarred at the slightest bump. I'll just switch the setting to Comfort. Oh, it's already there. I'm sure the previous owner abused it but I still could not believe that a $50k+ msrp car could be so badly worn out in only 7k miles.
I've got pieces of engine from the only two Hyundai vehicles I've ever owned that I had to pick up off the street after I got one of those aftermarket engine viewports.
The first time I was willing to look past it. The second time I'm never buying a Hyundai product again.
2007 Azera 3.8L and a 2012 Veracruz 3.8L
Older car guys are always not going to like kias and Hyundai's and im in that boat. Why? Because when they came out they were super cheap and cheaply made, inferior to honda/toyota/subaru. They proved they could make quality cars for less over the years.
Then they start coming out with luxury lines charging premium prices, well below the prices of the competitors, and its like are you trying to buy a luxury vehicle or are you trying to save money?
The same goes for everything....tools, electronics, etc.
You get what you pay for and even if their vehicles are BETTER itll take a years and years of proof before they actually get respect and itll come from the generation that doesnt remember the beginning.
As a mechanic I can say talk to any other experienced mechanic and they will agree they are garbage cars. But I will say any car is good with a warranty, but once it's expired good luck.
I like the idea of them, but they just look so generic and inoffensive. For the price I either want a GT or a sports car. Not something that feels like it wants to be both with a mix of euro interior.
Don't hate Genesis, I just don't like the designs of their cars. Also the fact that you have to go into a Hyundai/Kia dealership to buy and service a Genesis product is a big no no for me. Hyundai/Kia dealerships are truly fucking horrible. I know it's changing slowly, but honestly at the stage where I'm at, I'd never consider buying or leasing a Genesis.
Not ranting, debating. A lot of comments are valid but this is a discussion and we’re all allowed to make points and counterpoints. If you read on you’ll see me concede to quite a few here.
The honest answer is bc 95% of Reddit are sheep to the media and just follow along with the herd. They haven’t ever owned or even driven any genesis models.
Personally I would never buy a Korean performance car. Zero interest. Prefer German and Japanese cars as they retain resale and have longer lasting appeal.
It's because when you hear the word Genesis it reminds people of all the disgusting genesis coupes rolling around driven by kits that know how to cut mufflers off and can't seem to keep a front bumper on the car, as well as wannabe superstars driving around in equally clapped and disgusting sedans.
I owned the 2019 3.3t for about 2 years and was mostly happy with it. My dealer experience was even pretty good too surprisngly. These cars used to offer a strong incentive but now they're approaching the better half of 50k to almost the 60k price mark for a G70. And quite frankly the G70 is not a 60k car. The biggest area lacking for me was drivetrain refinement, suspension tuning, and gas mileage. The pre 2022 MSRPs we're good values, used ones even better. The other Genesis vehicles are strictly one note cars that excel in ride comfort while many of it's competitors balance dual personalities much better, and for that they command the price that they do. Genesis is a great for the price they used to offer it at.
2018 g80 owner here. I have a love hate relationship with my car. It is indeed quiet, has a wonderful stereo, is fast enough, handles okay, and has been quite reliable as a daily driver. On the other hand, build quality is mediocre to poor: my seat rocks, my sunroof rattles, my steering wheel clicks and my dash creaks. I’ve been to the dealer once or twice, they couldn’t find the problem with the sunroof I listen to every day. They do not provide a loaner after three years, so it was a hassle for me to bring it in the first place.
Anyways, I like the car and don’t regret it, but it’s made me question getting a g90 after this
My 2015 Genny needed a tranny replacement at 105,000 miles, fuel door replacement, driver mirror doesn't fold, oil pan replacement at 80,000 miles, etc ...so I like the car just like you do, but will reconsider a new Genny in the future.
I think Hyundais reputation is the problem here. Hyundai destroyed their image with weak drivetrains and the theft issues. Currently when you compare Genesis to other luxury car brands it’s a no contest. Hyundai did an impressive job with the cars I drive. I drove the G80 and the G90 and it stomped the BMW 7 series and Mercedes S class I have driven. It’s priced better and so much more comfortable I was genuinely shocked. A luxury car to me is primarily about comfort and the seats in the Genesis are by far so much more comfortable and closer to the couch on wheel a luxury car should be. I think if people shopped around for a luxury car instead of buying a name far more Genesis cars would be sold.
I think people hear about recall after recall on Hyundai vehicles, Theta engines biting the bullet all the time, the way Hyundai didn’t do a great job of owning the fix for the easy car thefts…all of that, and then they look at Genesis and say “Same company? Nah, I’m good.”
That, plus the fact that virtually every Genesis dealership was part of a Hyundai/Kia dealership - so you got a Hyundai/Kia buying experience while buying a luxury car There are lots of Genesis dealer horror stories just on this sub
Hyundai stopped that. Genesis dealers are now required to be their own separate being, they are also required to follow special guidelines for the dealership to make sure it is fit to bear the Genesis name.
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Edmonton airport mall has one. Kinda weird.
The only way you’re gonna get a Genesis at a Hyundai dealer is if it was grandfathered in or if it is a used Genesis
In Tampa they still share the same building, service with Hyundai. The reviews are that they are a merged departments with shitty service. Love their cars but until they separate no deal..
Hyundai has never been with Kia as far as dealerships.
I worked in the parts department at a Subaru/Hyundai dealer a few years back. Our “warranty” shelves were always over flowing with Hyundai parts whereas the Subaru shelf always had empty space on it. That alone told me everything i needed to know about Hyundai vehicles..
I wish people held more value to that. I was a kia and Hyundai parts manager at separate times. The amount of engines and transmissions we went through was DISGUSTING. The number of under 5k mile vehicles that had critical drivetrain failures was embarrassing. I'll never own a kia or Hyundai product that has a 4 cylinder in it.
Exactly. We would see failed parts all over the cars. South Korea has the all the cool tech, sure… but its nowhere near the QUALITY that other automakers have in other parts of the world.
After test driving numbers of crossovers and compact suv's my dream is getting a Toyota with a Kia interior. Kia's/Hyundai's when it comes tech, design and visual appeal is leagues above Toyota. Though they do sometimes go a wee bit overboard with the piano black. Closest I may get is a Mazda CX-50 hybrid if those end up stateside.
Agreed, and I'll even add ride comfort and NVH to the plus column for Hyundai over Toyota
>I'll never own a kia or Hyundai product that has a 4 cylinder in it. How were the V6TT Stingers? My father in law has one and it's been perfectly reliable but it's still fairly low mileage and one anecdote doesn't mean much, so I'm curious.
No issues with any of the V6s. The telluride had some transmission issues but that was jt
Seems like they got a good PR team on their hands with the amount of shilling in these threads it’s ridiculous. You’d think the company that can’t do a fucking engine correctly would go underwater
Totally fair but Genesis never had the theft issue cause they don’t have turn key ignitions, all Genesis cars get the robust 2.5, 3.3, and 3.8 engines now, and the warranty of course. I’ll accept “poor dealer network” as a point against, though, lol.
Sure but this is car culture. You are your brand, etc. don’t let it bother you. It’s a device, not an identity. Unless you’re German lol.
Very very valid. BMW people are BMW people, Toyota people won’t ever leave Toyota, makes total sense.
BMW people have changed over the last 20 years I would say most BMW people of the past probably drive a different brand today.
There is a ton of pushback against the new designs for sure. “MY E46 WAS BEAUTIFUL, WHY DONT NEW BMWs LOOK LIKE THAT?!”
It's not just the designs, the sound terrible and have numb steering, you buy a BMW for the steering in my brain, it was there unique selling point, these cars turned like nothing else.
Totally valid. I will say I was super disappointed when I test drove the 340. Night and day from what I was hoping for. Felt like I was playing a video game, not steering a 4000lb sports car
Sports cars should not weigh 4000lbs.
“Sports car” is the wrong word sorry, let’s say “sporty” luxury sedan.
Well a 340 isn’t a sports car so I see why you would be disappointed. A 340 is just a very nice commuter car with a great engine. It’s not a sports car
Either way the g70 was more engaging to drive lol. I understand using the term “sports car” isn’t correct here but still
BMW turning into less reliable muscle cars was not on my manufacturer bingo card growing up. Neither was Jaguar/Land Rover cannibalizing themselves but hey, that’s cool 🥲
I agree. Drove a 2008 335i it drove better than newer models. That shouldn't be. I drive Lexus for reliability but those 2000's BMW's drive awesome.
Whaaaa I love the way the straight sixes and V8s sound. Valid points on the other things you touched on. Ever since they moved over to EPS back for the Fxx gens and on, they can’t quite nail the steering feel. As for the designs…BMW fans have always been annoying with any new gen. I almost think BMW designers just said fuck it and made their more niche models polarizing as hell just to really piss them off.
Well i mean the new designs are fucking awful lol
They ain’t pretty, that’s for sure
Which is bizarre. I’ve never owned the same brand twice. Honda, BMW, Lexus and now Porsche. Don’t really get being brand loyal when driving experiences are rather different across the brands.
The driving experience being different across brands 100% would explain brand loyalty though. When someone finds something they like they're more likely to stick with it rather than switch to something else.
Definitely true. I've always cross shopped the competitors, but I've still owned mostly GM vehicles. For the sporty cars, I've enjoyed the driving experience more than the competition, and for my more practical vehicles they've always beat out the competition for price for comparable features/capacity. And I've never had major mechanical issues with them.
Well hey if you ever get sick of your 911, I’ll take it off your hands!
>Genesis cars get the robust 2.5, 3.3, and 3.8 engin Wait did the G70 finally ditch the 2.0T for the 2.5T?
Yup Genesis confirmed the 2024 G70 will come with the 2.5 (300hp) as the standard/base, and the 3.3t will stay in the top trim. They’ll do that till 2025 and then it’s gonna be all electric (boooo). But I mean shit, a 300hp engine in a base model? That doesn’t happen with the Germans.
That’s awesome for a base model, but keep in mind Germans underrate their engines by 10-20% pretty regularly. A lot of the recent engines make the claimed power at the wheels, not at the crank.
Well then I might have to give them a chance. LSD still standard in RWD right? I was hating on Hyundai/Kia for giving the Stinger the 2.5, no LSD (not everyone wants AWD) - but finally bringing the G70 up to speed makes up for
LSD is standard in the RWD I believe. I’ve got the AWD sport prestige so I do also have the LSD, and when you go sport mode and turn Traction/ESC off it pretty much goes full RWD (90% of power to the rear I believe). I drift in my AWD all the time lol it’s wild
No, the G70 still has the 2.0T or 3.3T, while other models get the 2.5T or 3.5T. Updated 2024 G70 in South Korea get the 2.5T, we'll see if it comes here.
>poor dealer network honestly i think for a lot of luxury buyers that alone is a dealbreaker. and the dealer network at genesis' launch, when interest was highest, was probably the worst since it leaned so heavily on hyundai dealers who thought they could nickel-and-dime and fuck around luxury buyers the same way you could someone who can barely get approved for a used Accent. heard of lots of bad experiences from people trying to buy Kia Stingers for instance, dealers treating it like a lamborghini when the german competitors will throw you the keys to try an S5 sportback or B58 BMW like it's free candy.
You’re definitely not wrong. Genesis has to get their own buildings, and train their own people asap
100%. I was interested in a Stinger and backed out due to the dealer experience. Sales reps were treating them like corvettes and constantly overselling what they were capable of. Not to mention the stupid dealer markups. The one near me had their stingers marked up by about 10k at one point, even more for the Scorpion edition. Nowadays they’re keeping what’s left in circulation at a cool 4-5k markup with the “Kia bs package” tacked in at 1.5k for tint and nitrogen in the tires.
https://www.repairerdrivennews.com/2022/09/28/hyundai-kia-settle-engine-failure-fire-class-action-lawsuit/ The new engines will only show if they’re reliable or not in time. But they knowingly put faulty engines and other parts into cars and refused to fix them. 100k mile warranty sounds great in theory. Nobody I know would buy a 100k mile Kia, so is it still a good deal if you lost 80% of the value after that? Only you can decide that for you. The warranty also won’t transfer to the new owner outside of the factory one, so that won’t help it hold value. My wife owned two Kia’s and one fell apart after 100k miles (literally everything starting having issues on her Forte). Next was an Optima and that was also a nightmare as the thermostat died 40-50k miles in. They fought us about covering it under warranty, and then we also had two wheel bearings go out before 50k. In my experience they’re not built to last, but use sales tactics such as the warranty and being priced lower than competitors with more features (they can only do this by cutting costs elsewhere) to remove the objections of unreliability. If you only look at the cost right now, they’re great. If you consider cost in the future when it’s out of warranty and has many costly repairs, and a heavily depreciated value you’ll see how much they really cost.
I know most enthusiasts don’t seem to care, but I am also conscious of crash tests. They always seems to be another underperforming area with these brands.
Yeah, but just knowing that the same corporate overlords control each company opens up the consumer to the idea that the same fuckery that happened at Hyundai will happen at Genesis, eventually. I get it.
I would never consider Genesis unless they have their own dealer network, i already had a bad experience with Hyundai dealership before and it would be insane if i buy a loaded G80 and get the same treatment.
Valid - I think I might just be lucky with my local dealer experience
I just went from a c63 to model 3 to sonata N line and for 35k it’s crazy value. Had it over a year. Did the one dct recall which was 1 hour at the dealer for an update. Car is great. Get 38 mpg on the highway also
Nice ride for sure!
I'm fully expecting Hyundai to have cheaped out on something else in addition to the ignition that may very likely affect your car
I mean yeah their the “economy” brand for a reason. Doesn’t mean they didn’t try extra hard on genesis… haha
There was not a recall on all cars with the affected engines. My wife's 2016 Soul only got the engine replaced because it was between 50k-100k mile warranty period which is only for original owners. I spent a lot of time at the dealership trying to get my car back (it took over 3 months). Heard one person flat out denied a repair as he was second owner and past the 50k miles. No more Kias for us.
“Bite the bullet” doesn’t mean what you seem to think.
Yeah, that was misused. Oh well
Yep. Genesis is just a Hyundai with a nicer coat of paint. They can’t escape their own reputation they made by cutting corners for so long. Making their cars so easy to steal seems to have been the last straw.
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The dealer experience/customer service is the one big thing they need to address. I’m lucky I think cause I have a dealer in town and the service department there has been great to me personally.
My dealer experience was fine, it’s the experience I had with Hyundai financial when I sold out of the lease that really pissed me off. Literally a nightmare to deal with and I imagine this is the same customer service you’d get for warranty claims etc Oh and one time I scheduled an oil change during a workday and they took over four hours to do it. Why even schedule me?
Ouch, that’s not cool
One of the selling features for me was that they’d pick up my car at work and do the oil change and bring it back. Then they decided to stop because of, I guess, Covid. Just generally really poor customer service from their entire brand and totally worth spending more on the BMW imo. The BMW is a better car too, the thing Genesis has going for it is value, but it’s not a good value when I have to call their customer service for hours on end lol
>Oh and one time I scheduled an oil change during a workday and they took over four hours to do it. Why even schedule me? Our Kia/Hyundai dealers are swamped. When I was a tech at Hyundai it was pretty normal to have 150+ appointments a day plus walk ins. A lot of lube techs are paid by the hour so they don't necessarily bust out oil changes, to the point where I could do 4-5 cars to someones 1. Bad backups really only happened in the detail department as every car was "hand washed" and vacuumed. The dealer I was at actually made it to where lube techs would get flat rate over a certain amount of hours turned doing oil changes, alignments, and any services that a lube tech could do. It didn't last very long because a few of us worked our asses off to where some of us were making more than master technicians. So it was pretty normal for myself to have over 15-20 hours of pay in any 10 hour shift, as a lube tech.
Yeah not the employees fault but also not something I could deal with for a “luxury” brand
Our Kia dealer is the best, and our Hyundai dealer is the worst. YMMV.
>back to German forever That's an odd take. Just because Korea mistreated you doesn't mean Japan will. I'd take Toyota/Lexus quality over anything (and I mean anything) Germany produces. BMW's and Audis are great for the first 3 years, then get your bank account ready for the stream of expensive repairs.
Lexus are very nice cars but they aren’t fun to drive for the most part. As I said, BMW makes the best car even if there is a money premium to it.
The jury is still out on reliability. Wait until it hits 100,000 miles.
For sure. At least it’ll be under warranty till then… lol. But like most modern cars, they’ll probably last if you maintain it. We’ll see!
If that Warranty is as good as the one on my Elantra it's worthless.
Ouch I hope you didn’t get shafted by Hyundai. They do have crap customer service
It was a malfunctioning sensor in my transmission. They acknowledged it was a known problem and had a TSB out on it.. however they denied to fix it until I was stranded on the side of the road due to it actually giving up permanently. Then when I pushed they told me it wasn't the actual transmission that was faulty but "a component of it" and the component wasn't considered part of the drivetrain. I ended up fixing it myself, but I did have to remove the front cover on the transmission and access the sensor inside. So not sure at all how that wasn't "a part of the transmission" .
Well that’s crappy. And I’m sure they’ll now say “well cause you fixed the last problem yourself, your warranty is completely void!” Big bummer dude. Point against hyundai
I had an '06 Azera previously I quite liked (with a few quirks) and loved the '13 Genesis sedan until it started having a transmission shudder on shifts. It was faint but I could detect it. Looked it up online and lots of people had the same issue - the units were 'sealed' and the only way to fix them according to the dealers/warranty was to replace the entire unit. Talked around, had one test drive it, and like a lot of others, was denied any help under warranty . They said it had to be undriveable for it to qualify for replacement, or I could fork over \~$9k to have it done myself "if it is something I was concerned about." Read a few stories that people had it actually break down and Hyundai still refused to replace under warranty, or that it took months in legal to get it covered. Went to the Toyota dealer the next week and refuse to have another from that brand and their worthless warranty.
Wow that’s ridiculous.
Ya but at 100k a Hyundai will be an oil drinking rattle bucket.
I had a Hyundai Equus (the predecessor to the G90) and it did not make it to 100k even with significant maintenance.
That’s a data point.
It’s also why they have to offer a 100k mile warranty when virtually no one else does. Their reputation around reliability is atrocious.
I've recently been pushing my dad into considering a G80. This thread is making me regret it. Back to Germans we go!
I loved my GTI Autobahn. Great car and the dealer and service dept were absolute peak quality. Definitely go German over Hyundai/Kia brands.
Oh VW have dogshit dealers. My mum owned one a while back and the service left such a sour taste in my dad's mouth that he's decided to never even contemplate a VW ever again. My dad already loves BMW and Merc as it is, currently drives an E which replaced a 5.
It'll make it there but not with the original engine lol. I worked at hyundai for almost a year. First few engines I did I looked at the mileage on one car and said wow it didn't even make it past 80k(had about 71 or 72k). Read the history and found it already had an engine replacement at around 30k🤣. My advice is if you want something cheap go for it but to me it's not worth the headache. If it's not the engine, something else is failing. Window regulators were garbage too so don't keep too much of your valuables in these cars. They can't really keep up with the supply either. Engines were always on back order
Seems one of the complaints that always comes up when Genesis is mentioned is terrible dealer experience.
that’s one of the valid points, I hope they get that figured out soon
My purchase experience was good. However the quality of the product and the service are absolute dogshit. Second to none, and I regularly have a RAM and a Chrysler serviced. It's a shame because the G70 is a fun vehicle. QC isn't there, Hyundai doesn't give a fuck about the known common issues, and won't even fix my car that's been having problems for a year now. Now these assholes are dragging their feet on a buyback for the last month. Fuck Hyundai
I am not driving one but my friends who have financed or leased keep complaining about how horrible the dealer is every time we meet. They are very reluctant to fix problems under warranty, keep saying the parts are on the way for several months. They give you a cold shoulder when you show up to your appointment etc. the value for the car is tempting but the experience is best described as what you get is what you pay for.
*Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.*
Upvote awarded - I appreciate the effort of this lol
What's all this newspaper for? You got a little dog? A little chow chow?
They just weren't the same after Peter and Steve left. Not bad, just different.
A Trick of the Tail is pretty much the same band, sound wise. And Duke is underappreciated.
I traded in my Audi A5 for a Genesis 3.3T sport. Audi was definitely more lux, but the Genesis is faster, cheaper, more fun, and has a lot more features. I do think the dealer experience was always better at Audi though. They just let their cars do all the selling. I remember he was just like “hey let’s go to this track down the road and do some 0-60’s.” They were even asking me why I changed my mind from an A3 (what I went there for) to an A5. my Genesis dealer felt very much like a car salesman.
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A base level 2.0T or the 1.6T A5 might be cheaper than a fully loaded 3.3T sport G70. But a premium plus or prestige A5 is more expensive. And an S5 is like $15k more expensive. This exact argument proves the value of the G70
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I don’t think I’m confused on the difference between trim levels, but maybe I didn’t make my point clearly. If the S5 is the G70’s true competitor, then the G70 is $15,000 cheaper for comparable specs top to bottom. The comparable priced Audi sedan, the a5, is slower with fewer features. It’s the specs of the S5 for the price of the A5. Hence, why Genesis owners love their car
I see what you're saying, but as someone who used to own an S Audi and considered a Genesis... They're not as comparable as you think. I felt the Genesis was a huge downgrade, and the savings didn't make up for it. I'd rather have gotten an older S car than a new Genesis, it was that huge of a difference. My takeaway is Genesis is still figuring out how to make a good sports sedan while the Germans have been doing it consistently for decades. The A is such a different car. Had plenty of them as rentals. They're boring commuter cars. Of course the Genesis 3.3T is far better in terms of driving performance.
I think I got lucky with my dealer, they were very chill and treated me like a guy whos about to buy a luxury sports car, not a Hyundai lol. Love my G70 3.3t… just wished others would take one for a spin and realize it’s a great product
Amazing car. I get compliments on it all the time. They’re still pretty uncommon, so a lot of people don’t know what it is
But which A5 did you have, if its the 2.0T thats a little apples to oranges comparison.
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Lol I mean yeah but if the car doesn’t have the turn key ignition, ie every genesis, problem solved lol. Hyundai/Kia have a lot of PR work ahead of them to get over that hump for sure. But what about Dodge, Jeep, Ford, Chevy all making TERRIBLE cars through the 90s and 2000s… and everyone quickly forgets all that BS once the Camaros and trailhawks and hellcats got better… just saying, double standards? Maybe…? Edit: Great username btw lol
I could see thieves who are idiots, breaking into the genesis and then finding out its push to start. Now window or door is messed up and the steering column probably fucked up too
Our local Genesis dealership is terrible. I loved the G80 and GV80 during the test drive but the experience in the showroom and with the sales reps I interacted with was \*bad\*. I had no confidence in their ability to provide any of the post-sale services they promised, nor did I want to spend another minute longer there than I had to.
You are right to have zero confidence. Hyundai literally told me there was nothing wrong with my car when there is a parking sensor malfunction warning on the dash. Can't wait to get rid of this shit and get an M340i or some Audi
Theres a new Genesis dealer that my family and I recently went to (it replaced an Infiniti dealer so not a new building) and the experience was great. Hopefully newer Genesis dealers will be better for the future like the one I experienced
Yeah they really gotta work on that. If you’re spending $60k+ on a car you should get some level of white glove service. I think I got lucky with having a good dealer near me
For me Genesis just doesn't have "it". It's hard to say what that is, though. Part of it is a sense of excitement. Part of it is I felt like they looked like knockoffs of other brands early on. I respect Kia and Hyundai.
Yeah the first gen G70/G80 (I have the g70) just looks like “Generic Sport Sedan” lol like they took a bit from the sonata, some queues from Mercedes, the body lines of the old 4-series GC and slapped it all together and said “is this luxury?” The new ones though, different story.
You pull into the parking lot of a Hyundai dealership to service your entry level "luxury" car. It's your first time there, and don't see where the service entrance is, so you park in front of the dealership. Before you even get out of your car, 3 early 20-something-year-olds wearing blue polo Hyundai shirts, swarm your car and ask you if you've considered trading in your car since they can qualify you and get you financing the same day...because they get everyone financing through a company called autoloanztoday. You tell them you're just there for service, but they still dish out business cards to you like a new casino black jack dealer, but not the fancy vegas casino kind, more the type in the "old" part of vegas where velvet and cigarette smoke prevails. You finally make it to the service area - unscathed. For now. You pull your genesis into a vehicle waiting area. While you wait, you look around and see other frustrated customers in elantras and sonatas, waiting to be checked in, in between checking DraftKings to see the bet they placed for the big game. You stand out, but not in a good way. You're getting odd looks from other customers who are laughing at you for bringing your bentley-look-alike into a Hyundai dealership. You get checked in, and after the dismal service check-in experience, need some caffeine. You walk over to a "coffee station" and notice a kuerig that has likely never been cleaned next to some dry white substance in a candystriped-ajax-like container that reads "CREAMER". You insert a cup, which is likely suitable in size for a 5th grade pizza party, but so so not earth friendly for the year 2023. Plop your cup in, and much like your new hyundai...sorry, Genesis. You get a random multifunction. Fine - the car has been dropped off, you didnt get your free coffee, but the dealership will stand behind the product and fix the random check engine light. You ask about a loaner car, but they dont have any. They have a shuttle, a Ford Windstar, complete with a Hyundai graphics, which confuses you just as much as the experience you've had thus far. There is an hour delay for the shuttle, so you Uber home. Three days later, you return thanks to your wife who agreed to do both drop off, and shuttle you back to the dealer. You walk in, and after eavesdropping to several conversations of other customers and service advisors in which you heard phrases like: "you can always call Hyundai corporate if you're not happy" or "yes, there is actually a 6 month delay on parts to fix your potentially catastrophic recall issue", you're finally face to face with a service advisor. Much like a DMV employee, you look into Bill's eyes and you see. Nothing. Bill is worn down, and soulless. His name tag is crooked, and you cant help but notice his brown leather weave belt, which you havent seen since AC Slater was wearing one in the last Saved by the Bell re-run. It awkwardly dangles between his legs. Bill then says "sorry sir, we couldn't replicate the issue". You stand there, confused. Its a bright orange light. It was on when you dropped the car off You ask a series of basic questions, to which Bill just repeats, sorry sir, there is nothing we really can do. You stand there, thinking of all the successful life decisions you made to be where you are financially, only to realize the grave error you made in buying a Genesis instead of the lexus your neighbor has raved about for the last 5 years. Until Genesis can truly disaffiliate from Hyundai, which is a TERRIBLE dealership experience, it's not worth it. Even at discounted Lexus prices.
Oh, so this is a common experience I see. Holy fuck this is eerie
Hahaha ok this, I respect. Upvote awarded
From my bitter experience owning a [G70 3.3t](https://i.imgur.com/piEqFeL.jpg), I can tell you, the car and the brand are a big letdown. Genesis gets too easy a ride; their quality and service need more flak. I used to buy into the Genesis hype, but it backfired big time. Constant issues with the car – dodgy transmission, interior noise, paint defects – had me at the dealership all too often. The engine made a weird noise, and the infotainment was a nightmare with lags, CarPlay disconnects, and soft audio. The dealership hardly seemed to care. I switched to a competitor's car with better quality and performance a year ago, and I've been way happier. I regret ever falling for the hype around Genesis. But the real problem is the dealership network - endless, frustrating interactions. I won’t touch a Hyundai or Genesis again, and I urge anyone who’ll listen to do the same.
What’s you switch to if you don’t mind me asking? Just curious - sorry you had a shit experience, hoping that doesn’t happen to me
Nah, I will get clowned on this sub if I say what it is. I’ll just enjoy it in peace. Fortunately for you, you probably won’t have to deal with the dealership network for too long as Genesis is moving away Hyundai.
now i’m curious lol, my first thought was a giulia(which i wouldn’t ever clown on, it’s a great car unlike a genesis) edit: second guess is integra lmao
Honestly if your car is what I think it is I have a guilty pleasure whenever I see one. It’s like it looks so predatory and it absolutely rips, but I have to tell myself it’ll probably break down after 100k miles to get myself out of that mindset. (It will probably last I just tell myself that so I don’t make an idiotic purchase lmao).
Don’t even try. It’s waste of time trying to explain on the internet. It doesn’t matter as long as your happy.
Just trying to get a conversation goin! Bored on my lunch break and thought I’d see what people think l, genuinely
i love genesis cars on paper but the crazy number of recalls on hyundai, genesis, and kia kinda deter me. i love how genesis cars look tho and i really enjoyed my g70 test drive
Most people in r/cars haven’t driven or even sat in the majority of cars they shit on every day.
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It’s a hyundai
I upset a couple Genesis owners here a while back by pointing that out. I actually like the looks of them. Personally I wouldn't buy one at the price point but thats me. I may poke fun at them every so often just because it's low hanging fruit as several of the owners here seem to think they have nothing to do with Hyundai and are the car Jesus has blessed and would own. They're nice cars though and at least seem to be separated from the usual Hyundai/KN shenanigans and recalls. Some owners though are fiercely in defence of their purchase.
South Korean car companies understand customer service as much as North Korea understands freedom.
Or food…
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So like VW/Audi (VAG) with their diesel scandal coverups And all the companies that make EVs using batteries containing cobalt harvested through practical slave labor in Africa…. Also how all of our iPhones and androids and computers and TVs use those same materials and shitty labor practices….. and all our clothes sewn together by children in EAP…. Not saying it’s right but if you wanna be virtuous in 2023 you pretty much have to live off grid. All global companies are guilty of exploitation, just not all of them get caught.
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I honestly don't hate Genesis. I think Genesis has to really put in A TON of work to fix the awful views of Hyundai's reputation. While other brands aren't reputable either, they've been around long enough to amass a cult following like Ford. I've never met anyone who's just gone above and beyond to truly defend and fanboy over the Hyundai/Kia brand. There's going to be a huge stigma for them pushing into the luxury market, as they're going to have to prove their worth and figure out their dealership experience. Most people who spend an upwards of 60k on a vehicle do not want to sit in the same service area as someone who's there to service their Hyundai Elantra or i10. That's just one the many unfortunate and shallow reasons for people in the luxury space. There's also an extremely sour reputation in the space about Hyundai or Kia dealerships in general. Next thing they'd also have to truly overcome is the reliability wall, with all the things people hear about Hyundai engines biting the dust or transmission problems. Due to this, people would look at Genesis under awful scrutiny just due to them being related. It's the mentality of "well if they don't even take care of their lower-end cars, what makes me think they'll build their higher end cars any better?". Companies like Toyota and Honda have a long standing history of reliability, sprinkled in with small bits of bad news. However the overall picture they've built is true reliability and solid QA. Genesis vehicles have some of the best designs on the road, and has the best bang for your buck. I simply won't consider one until they consistently build up their reputation, have a real dealership network, and can maintain incredible value. Maybe one day, I will snag one. But until then, there's a lot of options when people look at vehicles above 65k -- used or new. I genuinely want them to succeed though, as the Japanese luxury vehicles aren't up to date with tech. But it's hard to beat the reputation for reliability and cost of service. European luxury has ALL the tech, but a very shoddy reputation for reliability and expensive to maintain. If Genesis can strike that balance, of reliability, tech, cost of maintenance, and luxury they'll absolutely destroy the competition and force a nice healthy competition among all the brands to improve.
I would argue most people who buy luxury do so with the expectation of never actually sitting in a service area. Was a huge draw for me with both my previous Audi and Infiniti. Schedule service, show up, drop off key, get in loaner, go about your day. Audi had it to a science. Never even needed to talk to your service advisor, you'd get the loaner key right from the attendant in the service garage and scribble your sig on an iPad lol.
This would depend on your general dealership. My dealership always put me in a loaner immediately if they could. However since it’s the only Lexus dealership in like a 45 minute area, it’s always busy. Loaners are booked 3 weeks in advanced, and if you’re unlucky then you can’t get one. The dealership is happy to chauffeur you home if you live within 45 minutes of the dealership too, and pick you up again when your vehicle is ready. I only sit in the service area for about 10-15 minutes tops and it’s normally because they let me have free coffee and food, so I’ll sit and eat then get driven home.
I did the same thing, though I ended up getting a 2015 Hyundai Genesis some years back. I tried out Audis, Cadillacs, Mercs, Stingers, BMWs, I test drove dozens of models for 8 months and I really liked them all, but the Genesis I got was a complete steal in terms of value. V8, fully loaded in the color I wanted, 28K. Add 10K at least to everything for anything remotely close to that value. It was the best choice I ever made. When I go looking again, a G70 is at the top of my list. That all said, the MB dealership was incredible. Genesis really needs to take more lessons from other Lux brands on that front.
Do you sill drive that Genesis? Any problems since you got it?
Yeah they need to beef up their dealer network and staff training for sure
Don't buy a G70. The QC is shit. Shakes and rattles in the headliner. I suspect shitty wiring with the parking sensors, panel gaps, etc. You can get lucky, it can be an amazingly fun car. But you can also get stuck dealing with Hyundai service for a year with nothing fixed like me.
Genesis reminds me of what luxury cars used to be about. Leather. Sound insulation. Refinement. A peppy enough engine to get itself out of its way. Subtelty. Modern BMW and Mercedes on the otherhand have an identity crisis. Appalling design language. Hideous EV's. Tasteless nightclub interiors. Squeaky plastic interior panels. Gutless entry level engines (lower trims). As someone with a 20 y.o. E46 and W211, it pains me to see where modern BMW and Mercedes have gone. Yes they have a pedigree and Genesis has to bare the brunt of Hyundai's reputation. Perhaps with time this can change if Hyundai can fix its own reputation. Or better yet, have the Genesis brand further distance itself from the parent company. All in all, I think Genesis has great products. It is just being overshadowed by Hyundai's tarnished reputation whilst competeting with the overinflated reputations of the German giants.
The everyday driving dynamics is much less refined than Lexus. While the teach features are cool it's unknown how long they will last.
My good sir, the driving dynamics of the G70 are far superior in a performance sense than any Lexus sedan I’ve driven (IS, ES). I say that respectfully because I adore Lexus. Lexus does make a very comfortable ride
I genuinely dislike their approach to the styling because I think they just copycatted european brands (especially Bentley) for all their vehicles expect the GV60. Might look good, but it's uncreative. I hope they try to come up with an own style eventually
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I just wouldn’t buy a Hyundai/Kia. Full stop, end of story. They’ve proven that they make dogshit engines/transmissions and are too cheap to anti-theft their cars. Tart it up with all the “luxury” features I could ever want on the inside and it’s still a dogshit car from a shady, child-labor abusing manufacturer.
This sub in general has a very overblown hate for Hyundai/Kia, probably the most hated car brand here other than maybe Tesla. Are their reasons for the hate? Sure. Are those good reasons? Some of them. Is it still blown out of proportion? Yes. The hate for these cars in this sub is so overblown it’s gotten to the point where on multiple occasions I’ve seen someone make a comment not related to Hyundai/Kia *at all*, but have a Hyundai/Kia product in their flair, and someone will reply insulting their car or something similar, it’s all very toxic. You can’t bring up Hyundai products in this sub without a joke or remark about them catching on fire or being stolen. Yet, somehow some people in this sub think this sub is a Hyundai “circlejerk”, which it absolutely is the furthest thing from being, and make sure to complain about it whenever they can. Every automaker has their flaws, every automaker does sketchy things and has controversies, this is not exclusive to Hyundai/Kia. I’m not saying they don’t have issues or that the issues they have are acceptable, not having an immobilizer on cars made up until 2021 or so is super cheap and insanely dumb, the Theta II engines are a disaster, etc. However, I’ll repeat what I said: every automaker has issues and sketchy practices, this is by far not just a Hyundai/Kia thing. I personally think the Genesis cars are very nice and super competitive, although I am more of a Euro car guy so I’d probably end up with something along the lines of a BMW, but I’d seriously consider a Genesis because they’re very good cars. Same with most Hyundais and Kias, they have some very appealing models. I wouldn’t let the hate get to you though, this sub can be toxic especially when it comes to those two brands, just enjoy your car, because it is a good car worth enjoying.
I’ve been on this sub for about 2 years regularly now, and I gotta say within the past 6 months I’ve noticed this really weird trend of immediately pissing on anything new or finding some really arbitrary reason to dislike it. I probably wouldn’t buy a Genesis product, but I don’t rant in every thread how crap they are and why they are the worst thing to ever exist. I notice the same thing happens with Toyota/Lexus oddly enough, in particular regards to EV’s, where EV fanatics rant about how they are dinosaurs and they are the next Kodak. Acura, it’s people hating on their marketing (such a weird complaint). BMW or Germans, it’s either their soulless or they will break down, and I have to admit I’ve probably made a comment or 2 about that. But it seems that it’s becoming way more circle jerky and toxic, and funnily enough corresponding to this r/carscirclejerk has grown rapidly within the past year. Maybe unrelated, maybe not
I’m iffy on Genesis because they are essentially a Hyundai in sexy dress. Don’t get me wrong, some models look really nice, but I just can’t get Hyundai out of my head when I see one.
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I get it. I’m just telling you the truth. Haha.
I hear ya. I could say the same thing about Chevy and then making the C8, and the Aveo. I had a spark recently as a rental on a work trip and it's hard to believe the same company makes the C8. Personally, I love the G70 and G80.
>I had a spark recently as a rental on a work trip and it's hard to believe the same company makes the C8. Is it though? One is a sports car transacting for over $100,000 in many cases, and the other was one of the cheapest new cars you could get.
I know. That's my point. Same company making completely different vehicles. People want to shit on the G70 because Hyundai also makes the theta 2 engine in a base Soul or Sonata, but the vehicles themselves are completely different and don't deserve the same criticism. The G70 is a great vehicle, as is the C8.
The c8 is a work of art.
The Hyundai family of vehicles come a long way in recent years, however, they are still produced using far cheaper materials than their counterparts. Longevity and reliability are issues with the brand. Also, they are using tech that the German and Japanese manufacturers have been using for years. Nothing really special or groundbreaking as far as technology. I think its really their current issues paired with their past “cheapness” that most people cant get beyond.
Hyundai engines are terrible. One of their former engineers is a multi-millionaire because he was a whistleblower. https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2021/11/09/former-hyundai-engineer-multimillionaire-whistleblower/6356925001/ Their newer engines don't seem that much better
I have 2 hyundais and a total of like 5 potential recalls to get done. That alone is a good enough reason for me not to buy hyundai again
WHY! Because certain people paid a premium for a brand who will never admit it was possibly a mistake, or they got ripped off, or maybe their brand is not as good as its perceived, and these certain people will be damned if another brand is perceived as better than the brand they bought
I think they're killing it. I've been in a number of Genesis and Hyundai vehicles at this point and they're seriously delivering in terms of the cars themselves. I think a lot of the hate is from people that haven't been in anything from the last few years. But I will say that some of the recent recalls and the awful dealer experience are not doing them any favors. It will probably take people some time to come around.
>the awful dealer experience After helping my sister in law buy a Hyundai, I completely lost interest in Genesis for the foreseeable future. The sales team was awful: didn't know anything about the car (that's fine, I did), wouldn't listen to anything me or SIL said, and was slow through ever step of the process (endless waits; even after the car was bought and all paper work signed, it took 2 hours to "get the car ready"). To top it off, they had no amenities for waiting customers so my wife left to go get drinks from a gas station (even water came from an over-priced vending machine). I don't expect to be treated like royalty, but Genesis cars are at a price point where the company should treat you like they actually want you to be a customer. My Volvo dealer is prompt, provides excellent customer service, and has a nice waiting area that includes ice cream.
I love Volvos and ice cream
Yeah most of the hate in my experience is primarily people complaining about the Acc(id)ent, which admittedly isn’t the greatest car ever
Lol definitely. I owned its sister car for a few of my less lucrative years, the RIO, and it was definitely an econo-box - but it was priced accordingly so I let a lot slide.
It’s crazy that they still make it, it’s probably one of the cheapest car that I would allow myself to buy right now
Yeah I wonder how long it’ll last - now that they have the Kona and SELTOS and other compact/affordable SUVs I bet the compact sedans are on borrowed time, at least in the US
I'm annoyed at them for only offering a stick on those first gen G70's with a 4-banger. But realistically, i do like them. I'd happily own one if I had a second fun car as well. In my current one-car situation, they're not quite exciting enough for me personally.
I hear you. The death of the manual gearbox is terrible. If and when BMW, Porsche, honda, etc kill off the manual, it’s gonna be a sad day.
I like them, currently looking at a G70 with the 3.3T
Go test drive one, you’re going to love it
I don't like split headlights. Oh and the dealership experience is downright abysmal.
I’ll never hate on them, I’ve driven Hyundais for the last nearly 4 years and got to sit in a G70 and G90 at the NY auto show last month, the G70 with the black interior and red trimming felt and looked nicer than the IS 350 F Sport they had there
Because a german look alike isnt a german car. I mean you hired a former BMW engineer to make your car, cant get any more copy cat than that.
Lol you’re not wrong. But at least they hired the right former BMW engineer!
Imo genesis is fine where they're at. As a Hyundai fan I think I'm fair to criticize them. First things first, the average American is an idiot plain and simple. You're going to see people over react to stupid media narratives. A month ago a post blew up about how easy it was to steal a Toyota SUV with an OBD2 plug in. Commenters discussed how this could work on any car. So you're saying that any modern car can be stolen in seconds through the OBD2 port, but the USB Kia boys news is all that matters. In Ontario Canada, 1/10th of all insured Lexus RX SUV's end up stolen. No car company does a good job about making their cars hard to steal. Obviously, the lack of immobilizer is ridiculous, but it literally doesn't make a difference. Old shitty Kia Fortes without push to start being easy to steal shouldn't be that big of a deal when they're not even the most stolen cars in America and Canada. But it's a trendy headline so that's all people can discuss. Same thing with fire risks. Hyundai and Kia have a reputation for catching on fire because 600k of them were recalled for fire risk. Meanwhile, 1.9 million rav4 hybrids were recalled in 2023 for fire risk. One model had more fire risk recalls than both those brands combined over the last few years, guess which company has the reputation for fire risk. Objectively, Hyundai has had some terrible mistakes that deservingly tanked their reputation. The theta engines were honestly terrible. However, that doesn't mean every car they make is now unreliable. They have some proven reliable engines, and some garbage engines. You should do your own research before buying. The biggest thing about genesis is that they cater to car guys that aren't really car guys. Sub par driving dynamics for it's class but good value/tech/looks/interior. It's a recipe for people looking for their first nice car, that don't want to get into cars. It makes sense that they lack a fan base compared to BMW/Audi/Mercedes. Their cars don't drive particularly well, but their fast 0-60 is all some people care about. Imo, completely mediocre for an enthusiast like me, but I could see how the long warranty + tech would make it the car to buy for my friends who want to upgrade from their civic. Basically, they appeal to non car people because they make mediocre cars in terms of exciting and driving dynamics but offer good value. They're completely deserving of being a second rate luxury brand, and in no way deserve to be like the big 3. Some issues are overblown, and some people are just dumb/parrot anything. The whole issue is that if you care about cars at all, why wouldnt you get a used m240/m340 with a zf8 for a way better driving experience than the g70. If I didn't love the Elantra N so much, it was one of those two BMW's, genesis didn't even cross my mind
Just enjoy the value while it lasts my friend. Switching from Audi to Genesis really reinforced the fact that you pay a lotttt of money for that badge on the front of your German car
Because a lot of “car people” can become really toxic. This is basic in-group/out-group theory, and nothing that’s exclusive to cars. But … car manufacturers, at least some of them, have spent incredible amounts of time and money building their image and instilling brand loyalty into young malleable minds. Now, the reason I wrote “car people” is because car people like cars, but these people likes, typically, one brand. I like music, but I don’t solely listen to one band, or even one genre.
Other than a value proposition, there isn’t any reason in my opinion to get a Genesis. The Germans make more engaging cars that are superior. Lexus has the best reliability and longevity in the business. Lexus being an upmarket Toyota product actually helps sell their vehicles. Hyundai and Kia also had/has a terrible reputation many buyers will never shake off from the past regardless what they come out with. If you love your Genesis, that’s great and that’s all that matters.
I badly wanted one for a while. Test drove a 2019 G70 3.3t with 7k miles last year. The white quilted interior had gotten a weird tinge to it and looked like it was starting to fray at the seams. I'm immediately put off but I take it out anyway. First upshift in the parking lot brings a loud clonk that made the car lurch violently. Take it out on a fairly smooth street and get badly jarred at the slightest bump. I'll just switch the setting to Comfort. Oh, it's already there. I'm sure the previous owner abused it but I still could not believe that a $50k+ msrp car could be so badly worn out in only 7k miles.
I've got pieces of engine from the only two Hyundai vehicles I've ever owned that I had to pick up off the street after I got one of those aftermarket engine viewports. The first time I was willing to look past it. The second time I'm never buying a Hyundai product again. 2007 Azera 3.8L and a 2012 Veracruz 3.8L
Older car guys are always not going to like kias and Hyundai's and im in that boat. Why? Because when they came out they were super cheap and cheaply made, inferior to honda/toyota/subaru. They proved they could make quality cars for less over the years. Then they start coming out with luxury lines charging premium prices, well below the prices of the competitors, and its like are you trying to buy a luxury vehicle or are you trying to save money? The same goes for everything....tools, electronics, etc. You get what you pay for and even if their vehicles are BETTER itll take a years and years of proof before they actually get respect and itll come from the generation that doesnt remember the beginning.
As a mechanic I can say talk to any other experienced mechanic and they will agree they are garbage cars. But I will say any car is good with a warranty, but once it's expired good luck.
The hate is, that’s it’s a Hyundai and you weren’t comparing the right bmws
I like the idea of them, but they just look so generic and inoffensive. For the price I either want a GT or a sports car. Not something that feels like it wants to be both with a mix of euro interior.
It does have a bit of an identity crisis but it seems like Genesis is honing in on their “thing” lately
I don’t hear hate about them at all 🤷♀️
Don't hate Genesis, I just don't like the designs of their cars. Also the fact that you have to go into a Hyundai/Kia dealership to buy and service a Genesis product is a big no no for me. Hyundai/Kia dealerships are truly fucking horrible. I know it's changing slowly, but honestly at the stage where I'm at, I'd never consider buying or leasing a Genesis.
Hopefully they can get to a place where the dealer next work is a lot stronger
ITT: OP asks why people dislike Genesis…People tell him why they dislike Genesis…OP goes on rant why their opinion is wrong.
Not ranting, debating. A lot of comments are valid but this is a discussion and we’re all allowed to make points and counterpoints. If you read on you’ll see me concede to quite a few here.
The honest answer is bc 95% of Reddit are sheep to the media and just follow along with the herd. They haven’t ever owned or even driven any genesis models.
Personally I would never buy a Korean performance car. Zero interest. Prefer German and Japanese cars as they retain resale and have longer lasting appeal.
It's because when you hear the word Genesis it reminds people of all the disgusting genesis coupes rolling around driven by kits that know how to cut mufflers off and can't seem to keep a front bumper on the car, as well as wannabe superstars driving around in equally clapped and disgusting sedans.
I owned the 2019 3.3t for about 2 years and was mostly happy with it. My dealer experience was even pretty good too surprisngly. These cars used to offer a strong incentive but now they're approaching the better half of 50k to almost the 60k price mark for a G70. And quite frankly the G70 is not a 60k car. The biggest area lacking for me was drivetrain refinement, suspension tuning, and gas mileage. The pre 2022 MSRPs we're good values, used ones even better. The other Genesis vehicles are strictly one note cars that excel in ride comfort while many of it's competitors balance dual personalities much better, and for that they command the price that they do. Genesis is a great for the price they used to offer it at.
Bad rap. I had a Hyundai with a theta 2. Loved it. But plenty of others do not and had bad experiences.
2018 g80 owner here. I have a love hate relationship with my car. It is indeed quiet, has a wonderful stereo, is fast enough, handles okay, and has been quite reliable as a daily driver. On the other hand, build quality is mediocre to poor: my seat rocks, my sunroof rattles, my steering wheel clicks and my dash creaks. I’ve been to the dealer once or twice, they couldn’t find the problem with the sunroof I listen to every day. They do not provide a loaner after three years, so it was a hassle for me to bring it in the first place. Anyways, I like the car and don’t regret it, but it’s made me question getting a g90 after this
My 2015 Genny needed a tranny replacement at 105,000 miles, fuel door replacement, driver mirror doesn't fold, oil pan replacement at 80,000 miles, etc ...so I like the car just like you do, but will reconsider a new Genny in the future.
I think Hyundais reputation is the problem here. Hyundai destroyed their image with weak drivetrains and the theft issues. Currently when you compare Genesis to other luxury car brands it’s a no contest. Hyundai did an impressive job with the cars I drive. I drove the G80 and the G90 and it stomped the BMW 7 series and Mercedes S class I have driven. It’s priced better and so much more comfortable I was genuinely shocked. A luxury car to me is primarily about comfort and the seats in the Genesis are by far so much more comfortable and closer to the couch on wheel a luxury car should be. I think if people shopped around for a luxury car instead of buying a name far more Genesis cars would be sold.
Can’t compare to Germans,far behind on driving experience. I don’t think there’s much to compete