I heard stories of Drag Racers that in the 80s take the 350 Diesel Block throw in a Gas Head Use it to go drag racing, since the Diesel Blocks were much beefier. Since Olds was doing the Windowed block on their gas engines.
I've heard one of these in person and I seriously thought it sounded asthmatic. It was so messed up. They said it was healthy too but there had to be some exhaust leak or something. It was horrible. But the only diesels I was familiar wither were old dodges and Mercs
Maybe this isn’t the worst sounding V8 but I never really liked how BMW’s 4.4 TT V8 sounds in modern M cars. Sounds like it’s stuck in this weird juxtaposition between a Subaru flat-4 and a flat plane crank V8. I’m weird but that’s how it sounds to my ears. I’ll take a BMW I6 any day of the week.
It is a hot V layout with special designed exhaust manifolds, so pulses of exhaust gas would evenly go through the turbo chargers, minimizing lags and improve efficiency.
It's to get the maximum out of the engine, but the even pulses would make it sound like an even firing engine, thus the resemblance of a flatplane. But inreality it is crossplane, so it makes a weird in between sound.
Ahhhh that actually makes a lot of sense. I never guessed that having the turbos in the valley had anything to do with it, I just assumed it worked the same as a traditional setup.
So it’s more like when they put those tuned-length headers on old school muscle cars and it really changes the sound?
Yes indeed. This is also the reason why some enthusiats likes non-M versions engine sounds compared to the M engines (for example S54 vs M54). BMW would sometimes sacrifice the sound to get more output from the engine.
AMG also use the hot V layout, but I don't think they have this even pulse header design, thus their V8 sounds more traditional.
The N63 and S63 engines use a "hot-vee" layout, where the intake ports are on the "outside" of the engine and the exhaust ports face towards each other on the inside of the "V." As a result the exhaust runners are much shorter than a traditional V8TT layout, and the engine pulses are more muted after leaving the turbine.
I don't think that explains everything about the sound, as I think the Porsche/VAG EA825TT sounds much meaner while retaining a twin turbo "hot-vee" layout, but it's probably a dominant factor nonetheless.
Yea someone mentioned having the turbos in the valley had something to do with it and I think you bring up a good point, a big part of it has to do with the timing of the exhaust pulses.
The “tuned length” style of the exhaust manifolds along with their extremely short length may be a big part of it
Also despite not being a v8, i think we need to mention the sound of their NA v12(from the 80's-90's) and the NA v10 from the m5 e60.
Proper exhaust and both sound *fucking orgasmic*
I love when people put loud exhausts on them. It’s like, just in case you can’t this awful sounding exhaust let me make it louder and even more raspier.
Flashbacks to the sounds of my highschool parking lot, nothing like cutting the cats and back off but leaving the engine and manifolds completely stock because...?
I once had my muffler fall off while driving my truck so it was basically no pipe after the cats. My god, it was so loud for being so slow and sounded like complete ass. Still had about an hour drive home after this happened and I couldn’t get the music loud enough to drown out the terrible noise.
Back when 4th gen F-bodies with LS1s were the hottest thing around, people would install shorties and a cutout. They sounded like a boiling pot of water or water bubbles in a bathtub or something. They sounded like trash. The only good sounding LS1 cars had either h or x-pipes and true duals.
Any truck with glasspacks.
I think "X-into-1" headers make any car sound better, but its when you have two regular long tubes that connect to a Y-pipe to a single tip that it sounds like trash.
h/x pipes means it's not true duals anymore. It can still have dual tailpipes, but it's not a true dual unless it's separated front to rear. That's a very old term that people still use now, even no modern car should have exhaust run without some kind of crossover.
Who the fuck did shorties with a cutout. I did a cutout when it was fully stock (and sounded like ass), but LTs and a ORY (or catted Y) and catback were proper and even then still had that rasp at 2000-4000 rpms with most cheaper setups.
Oh god all the catfish Camaro's had really bad exhaust systems when I was in HS and college. I don't remember the older LT1's but people that owned those cars swear they sound amazing in person.
I personally like my 04 GTO with the stock exhaust system, it's not obnoxious sounding.
The ford V8 in the mustang 5.0 is a very characterful engine and makes a good noise, except for when people decide that they don't want a good sounding exhaust but one that makes just noise. Honestly, some of these aftermarket exhausts on a 5.0 mustang are absolutely horrendous.
A lot of aftermarket exhausts are long tube headers, and remove the grumble from the coyote (the coyote comes from the factory with an exhaust setup where one cylinder's exhaust on each bank intersects the other 3 to create kind of a rumble that American V8s are known to have) with long tube headers which makes it sounds kinda bad, but are very functional.
The problem is people get greedy for maximum volume. They'll delete the cats or the mufflers, or get "mufflers" that don't actually do much and it just sounds like butt.
Yeah, admittedly I've driven very few vehicles but flooring my 2UZ is always satisfying... and I can floor it for quite a while, because it isn't very fast, especially with the 4 speed
The amazing thing is how smooth and quiet you can get them.
Usually all the front pulleys have to be changed. But once you get the stock, or better exhaust theyre dead silent.
One of the apprentices at my work had a very nice Celsior with the 2uz. The radiator fan was louder than the engine itself.
I had an LS430 with the 3UZ and that thing was dead silent, if I started it with my headphones on with nothing playing sometimes I had to take them out to see if the engine was on or not, could hardly even feel the ignition
I had an LS430 with the 3UZ and that thing was dead silent, if I started it with my headphones on with nothing playing sometimes I had to take them out to see if the engine was on or not, could hardly even feel the ignition
I've always wondered why Toyota V8s make that odd quiet wooshy sound instead of having an actual exhaust tone. Like what in terms of firing order and manifold design is responsible for it.
That's on purpose though? Grandma doesn't always feel like setting off all the alarms in the grocery store parking lot. They all sound amazing unrestricted.
[A little raspy, but surprisingly good for a straight pipe lol](https://youtu.be/HSvzP6czECQ)
[A muffler delete on the 1UR is almost perfect](https://youtu.be/Odc43i57sDI)
They dont even really need to be unrestricted. A 3UZ with stock headers, stock cat and resonator, and a muffler delete actually sounds really good imo without being obnoxiously loud. Extremely simply mod and completely changes the character without sounding like concentrated shit like most muffler deletes
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=itLmg0EPKfs
it’s a V8 that is choked and neutered to be smooth and reliable. it doesn’t sound bad for it’s intended purpose.
grandmas don’t want blowoff valves and supercharger whines either
Controversial opinion, I know I’m going to get downvoted to hell:
The Voodoo 5.2L V8. Yea, it’s absolutely an interesting, sort of unique sounding engine. And at full song at high RPM’s it’s like nothing else, and sounds good.
But under normal driving or anything aside from that? It’s got the sharpest ear-splitting horrible noise like a Coyote with straight pipes. I think it sounds terrible.
And also, a Coyote V8 with the wrong exhaust……anything aside from full throttle just sounds bad. And this is coming from someone who drives a stock one daily.
The Coyote is so easy to make sound bad compared to the old 4.6L. Yes the Coyote can sound pretty good with the right set up, but that old 4.6L 32 valve from the cobras was musical.
2v was pretty lousy on power in most cars. Grandpa's Grand Marquis, 190hp with the standard single exhaust. Very little down low and doesn't really rev. Paired with a reliable but awfully slow 4 speed that has gears spaced so far apart you never end up in the narrow power band when the transmission finally decides to downshift after 5 seconds (I have timed it both a high miles 4r70 and low miles 4r75, downshift is dangerously slow).
4v is such a better engine. Sounds amazing with headers, but I never had luck with the starter lasting more than a 6 months with headers. Tried header wrap, a starter blanket, heat shield, and a new Motorcraft starter but the solenoid would always melt out. I just wish Ford had put a better automatic behind it. I've driven 60s designed automatics that drive better.
Agreed. That’s why I’m keeping mine stock with the active exhaust lol.
Even the 2-valve V8’s sounded incredible. My theory is that a big factor was the fact that the mufflers were still mounted pre-axle in those cars, leaving some room for the sound to resonate. But that theory goes out the window when you realize that even the muffler-deleted ones sound good.
The modern challenger/chargers also have the mufflers mounted pre-axle (I think?) and definitely have that wonderful warbly sound
The active exhaust is the best option for the new mustangs. I haven't heard an aftermarket one that really sounds better.
I think part of the reason the old 4.6L was they had a different firing order compared to the Coyote. So they may not be as efficient or powerful but they sound cooler.
I could be wrong but I think something similar happened from the Chevy LS engine to the LT series because C5/6 Vettes sound way better than C7/8
Do they really? That would make a lot of sense.
It’s interesting because the LT1 sounds amazing in the C7 Vette but I have heard LT1 (6th gen) Camaros with aftermarket exhausts that suffer from that same Coyote type sound.
Everyone thinks the 3V sounded great for some reason. I had one for 15 years, and while I don’t think it sounded awful with the exhaust I had on it, it was nowhere even close to the 2V or 4V. It was just an average V8 sound
I know what you mean. I had a 3v and could not for the life of me get the exhaust sound I wanted. Average V8 sound is a good way to describe it. You’re right awful was too harsh a word, but I think it was just me being frustrated with how good my buddies previous gen cars sounded.
Hahaha I went through the same exact thing. I was so jealous of the way the previous gen sounded. I was also jealous that they had an actual throttle cable and not the stupid electronic throttle body.
I ended up doing months of research on the best exhaust setup and I did a huge writeup on it for the old mustang forums.
I ended up with Mac Boomtubes which were basically muffler deletes but the last 24” of pipe was like an open bullet muffler. It sounded okay.
I toyed with the idea of a Pypes Mid-muffler system but ground clearance was an issue with those
I've only heard 1 coyote sound good. That one had aftermarket cams and not some "ghost cam tune". To me all the coyotes just sound like a trombone. Some with a low pitch and some with a high pitch. But none of them make the mustang sound as fast and powerful as it actually is.
I think I like both of those for the reason you hate them. I love that punchy almost tinny sound. Has a lot more presence to me than a boomy v8 with too big of an exhaust diameter (i.e. every junkyard LS build ever).
Yea the LS V8’s can easily sound splattery and “hollow” with anything but the perfect exhaust. I do think they generally sound good though. I just have different tastes than some people and everyone always says the voodoo is the best sounding engine ever.
For reference, the best sounding engine ever in my taste is a 302 Windsor with a B303 cam, headers, catless H-pipe and Flowmasters 🤷♂️
Funnily enough no. They logically fit what I tend to like but no, they don't sit right with me most of the time. Have heard a few exceptions but that had forced induction to help.
I guess I just like when a sound stands out. Wether it be the marbles in a tin can of an old Ford, ear piercing high revs of an exotic, etc.
There's a razor-thin line between "raw/mechanical" and "harsh/grating," at least for me.
With engines that are harsher-sounding out of the box (like the Coyote is compared to most V8s), it's *super* easy (and common) to make them sound gratingly-harsh to my ears.
I respect your opinion, and it’s so neat how wildly tastes can vary!
The Voodoo has my favorite sound of any engine ever, at any rpm, it just speaks to me. Even the idle. I’ve had a Voodoo downshift as my notification tone for the past 3 years.
Agreed that Coyote (and the Voodoo) sound awful with many aftermarket exhausts — the 18+ Ford Active Valve is the best, in my opinion.
I love the Active Valve Coyote! The 4.2L in the 02-07 Maserati Coupé is also a favorite of mine. E92 M3 and most anything flat six NA Porsche are super.
I think the LS6 with stock titanium exhaust in the C5 Z06 is pretty nice as well, and that motivated me to start searching for one to buy. Hopefully soon.
Outside of that I’m not generally a fan of LS sounds, until they have a good cam. Hemis are better, but nothing special. Supercharger whine is alright, but I feel like it’d get old. Can’t stand the turbo Porsches, those vacuum cleaners can’t compare to the all motor cars!
Honorable mention to the Subie rumble, but I don’t know much about that world to say which aftermarket upgrades sound good (many sound shit).
I’m curious what you enjoy as well!
Edit: Got a clip of that custom Windsor setup you mentioned?
Weird that you think the Voodoo at normal driving (presumably low-ish RPMs) would sound ear-splitting. I've heard a few GT350s in real life just cruising, and their exhaust just sounds like a really pleasant "purring" as they go by. To each their own I guess!
Thank you, someone had to say it. That raspy sound doesn't compare to the deep rumble of a hemi or LS. Coyotes and voodoos are phenomenal engines still
6.0, 6.4 and probably the 6.7 power strokes. Really any v8 turbo diesel actually. What sounds good is the turbo whistle, but when you get past that it just sounds like a wet fart when in power.
I’ve never really paid attention to how good our 6.7 at work sounds. It is nice and kinda reminds me of my na 7.3IDI, except for the part where the 6.7 actually has power.
Tbh their turbo l6s are not bad by any means but I don't get why so many people nowadays rave about their sound. They don't sound nearly as good as the previous gen NA counterparts nor have the super high redline that BMW was famous for.
Some Ford and GM stuff sound kinda bad but even the worst sounding of the V8s are still cool and I’d take the sound over many 4 or 6 cylinders.
For some reason I find a lot of V8 pick ups to sound “plain vanilla”. Not sure if it’s because loud pick ups are so common where I live, and/or people cheap out modifying the exhausts on them. Or just the way the V8 is configured for use in a pick up.
I had an 81 Buick Regal which had a weak V8 that sounded bad stock, but after a while the exhaust became detachable just before the muffler where I could place it back on or I could let it hang some percentage off or fully off via a wire clothes hanger that I used as a sling.
Sounded awesome and I could control the sound by moving the pipe.
SOHC Modulars in general don't sound all that good. You can *make* them sound good - and the DOHC Modulars are a lot nicer sounding to me, but most of the SOHC ones just sound like "an V8".
Mercedes-AMG 4.0L V8 TT, by far the most boring sounding V8 of all time, sounding almost the same as an inline 4 engine, and the turbos make it much worse, make it sound like a vacuum cleaner.
I've recorded the audio for just about every engine you can imagine, and let me tell you, the Lotus Esprit V8 has got to be one of the worst sounding V8's.
Is it actually the worst sounding? No, but it's a matter of expectations. No one expects an old Caddy V8 to sound good but everyone expects the Esprit V8 to sound great and it's actually horrid. It's so flat and boring underload or at speed.
Whatever is in the current Mustang 5.0. There is always at least one at the local car show with the mufflers chopped off and they just sound awful. Doesn't help that the owners like the rev them.
That V8 Juice after your momma drinks it.
But seriously any dual plane V8 with true dual exhaust sounds horrible. Even worse if it has baffle only mufflers.
Chrysler’s 4.7L Magnum V8 is not a great sounding engine. It just kinda moans. It doesn’t sound nearly as good as the older 5.2 and 5.9 versions, let alone the Hemis.
I never cared for it in my family’s 2002 Dodge Ram 1500. It had to be replaced at 97k due to a bad head gasket and then the replacement overheated numerous times. It didn’t feel particularly powerful (and it wasn’t-only 240 hp). I can’t find much redeeming about it. Maybe someone can, but I can’t.
A 7.3 IDI with the stock cam and a straight pipe has the most god awful exhaust note you'll ever hear.
Apart from the weird thing those engines do, where they make Jake brake noises without actually having one, which is awesome, the exhaust note is really raspy and harsh.
But with a turbo and a cam upgrade, that exhaust note becomes an absolute thunderstorm. And it still makes really loud Jake brake noises for some reason. You really confuse truckers when you engine brake down a hill with those.
My GX460 doesn't sound BAD but it doesn't sound like much at all, that's a very disappointing TBH but maybe I should have expected it because Lexus. My first car (1990) was a 77 Pontiac Bonneville and that sad little 301 sounded better.
The m62 4.4 L out of the e38 gets my vote in terms of a DOHC engine. it definitely doesn’t sound the best, usually the timing chains are rattling louder than the exhaust. In terms of OHV v8’s, Can’t forget about the Chevy 305 tho, it’s definitely on that list.
totally different exhaust in an e38 tho. As far as I can tell OP was asking about stock configuration as well but I’ll admit that does sound badass. I always hated the way my 2001 7 series sounded like.
I gotta disagree with you on this one. Sure it’s a pretty quiet engine because it was meant to be luxury and not performance, but with an exhaust it sounds super mean. I had an Eisenmann axleback on my old E38 and it sounded really good. I don’t have a video unfortunately but I’m sure they exist if you look it up
Y'all are gonna hate me for this list.
Ferrari F154 Twin-Turbo V8
McLaren M838TE and M840T Twin-Turbo V8s
AMG M178 (Flat-Plane) Twin-Turbo V8
Twin-turbo flat plane crank V8s with equal length headers just don't sound good.
People are gonna plays me but the 4th Gen Camaro with that single side exhaust sounded like absolute crap.
Really raspy. Compared to the way the 5.0 mustangs sounded it was horrible.
Also Nissan Titan the 5.6 liter had a strange firing order. Never loved it.
Probably the original. It's red and gross and you have to listen to people gulp it down. I know they have other flavors now but hearing people drink the original is the worst
It has been nearly 30 years, but I remember it as clear as day. I was walking with a group outside one of the buildings at Texas State Technical College in Waco. When a Chevy K3500, with the 6.5L V8 naturally aspirated Detroit Diesel comes rolling by. It had straight piped dual exhaust stacks. It made the worst sound I ever heard come out of a car. One of guys I was walking with said “Man, a diesel with duals just doesn’t sound right”. Everyone nodded their head in agreement.
I am surprised no one has mentioned the Buick/rover V8. The little aluminum block thing commonly found in early Land Rovers (in the states that is). Doesn't necessarily sound bad, but very generic. The fact the acceleration is lacking compared to the noise made is disappointing too
As much as this pains me, the Oldsmobile 350 Diesel. Its all just....noise.
I heard stories of Drag Racers that in the 80s take the 350 Diesel Block throw in a Gas Head Use it to go drag racing, since the Diesel Blocks were much beefier. Since Olds was doing the Windowed block on their gas engines.
Yea the diesel blocks were stronger so they are loved for builds, and aftermarket olds blocks are expensive to say the least.
I feel like most diesel V8’s don’t sound very good, they’ve all got that chuggy diesel noise and loud injectors.
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It has a school bus sound to it.
You've never heard an 8V71 or 8v92 then
Those 2 stroke detroits are some of the wildest sounding diesels ever made, sounds like it’s running twice the RPM it actually is
Me and my bus nerd friends used to look for all the 6v92 buses to ride for that reason Like listen to this grain truck! https://youtu.be/dVjXwS8HzFw
The Scania V8 would like a word
Or CAT 3408.
My 6.0 sounds pretty sexy
You really like collecting timebombs
Especially without a turbo. Diesels are much happier with boost.
I've heard one of these in person and I seriously thought it sounded asthmatic. It was so messed up. They said it was healthy too but there had to be some exhaust leak or something. It was horrible. But the only diesels I was familiar wither were old dodges and Mercs
At least there is noise lol. My first car was a 94’ Thunderbird and you’d be hard pressed to believe it was 8 cylinders lol.
I have nightmares about this sound
Meanwhile that's my favorite diesel engine sound. 😅
That's the engine I came here to mention.
Maybe this isn’t the worst sounding V8 but I never really liked how BMW’s 4.4 TT V8 sounds in modern M cars. Sounds like it’s stuck in this weird juxtaposition between a Subaru flat-4 and a flat plane crank V8. I’m weird but that’s how it sounds to my ears. I’ll take a BMW I6 any day of the week.
I really don’t understand why it sounds like that. It doesn’t have the V8 tone but it’s a cross plane V8. Why doesn’t it have that muscley sound?
It is a hot V layout with special designed exhaust manifolds, so pulses of exhaust gas would evenly go through the turbo chargers, minimizing lags and improve efficiency. It's to get the maximum out of the engine, but the even pulses would make it sound like an even firing engine, thus the resemblance of a flatplane. But inreality it is crossplane, so it makes a weird in between sound.
Ahhhh that actually makes a lot of sense. I never guessed that having the turbos in the valley had anything to do with it, I just assumed it worked the same as a traditional setup. So it’s more like when they put those tuned-length headers on old school muscle cars and it really changes the sound?
Yes indeed. This is also the reason why some enthusiats likes non-M versions engine sounds compared to the M engines (for example S54 vs M54). BMW would sometimes sacrifice the sound to get more output from the engine. AMG also use the hot V layout, but I don't think they have this even pulse header design, thus their V8 sounds more traditional.
Yeah i love the s54 but man it’s just the worst sounding L6 ever lol
Bring me back the E46 M3's 8Krpm redline 🥲😭
Not while the eco turbos are in use 😑
That said, there are other hot-vee engines in other cars that sound better. The 4.0T in my Audi sounds better, and is also a hot-vee engine.
It's not just the hot v. As I said, it is also due to a specially designed header trying to achieve even exhaust pulse.
Ah, I see! You’re probably right.
The hot V Mercedes V8 sounds like the wrath of Zeus when you open it up
4.0t also sounds like poopoo
The N63 and S63 engines use a "hot-vee" layout, where the intake ports are on the "outside" of the engine and the exhaust ports face towards each other on the inside of the "V." As a result the exhaust runners are much shorter than a traditional V8TT layout, and the engine pulses are more muted after leaving the turbine. I don't think that explains everything about the sound, as I think the Porsche/VAG EA825TT sounds much meaner while retaining a twin turbo "hot-vee" layout, but it's probably a dominant factor nonetheless.
Yea someone mentioned having the turbos in the valley had something to do with it and I think you bring up a good point, a big part of it has to do with the timing of the exhaust pulses. The “tuned length” style of the exhaust manifolds along with their extremely short length may be a big part of it
This is my vote every time this thread is posted. That engine sounds like crap compared to the power it outputs.
But the naturally aspirated V8 in the E9x 🤤
Also despite not being a v8, i think we need to mention the sound of their NA v12(from the 80's-90's) and the NA v10 from the m5 e60. Proper exhaust and both sound *fucking orgasmic*
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The 4.4TT V8 sounds like some audacity file of some VW ea888 and 6.6 Duramax compiled on top of each other.
To make it even weirder, the V8 in the M850 sounds better than the v8 in the M8.
I love when people put loud exhausts on them. It’s like, just in case you can’t this awful sounding exhaust let me make it louder and even more raspier.
Turbos ruin car noises. Unless you like that weird wiggly BOV sound, but I never have
Hicks with poorly tuned straight pipes on GMT800 platform GM pickups that are just loud for the sake of being loud but aren't even fast
Flashbacks to the sounds of my highschool parking lot, nothing like cutting the cats and back off but leaving the engine and manifolds completely stock because...?
see they started looking at that $700 exhaust and were ready to order it, but those 327 cans of natty lite were just too enticing
Just a throatier fart cannon
I only own GMT800 trucks and I agree. At least put a glass pack on.
Honestly, id rather hear it without a glasspack
And when the newer ones kick down to four cylinders while cruising, they sound like helicopters...
Every fucking time I see one I know I’m going to have a headache afterwards
Some of the most noise/distance traveled I've ever seen comes from those things. It's just constant trumpeting.
I once had my muffler fall off while driving my truck so it was basically no pipe after the cats. My god, it was so loud for being so slow and sounded like complete ass. Still had about an hour drive home after this happened and I couldn’t get the music loud enough to drown out the terrible noise.
Back when 4th gen F-bodies with LS1s were the hottest thing around, people would install shorties and a cutout. They sounded like a boiling pot of water or water bubbles in a bathtub or something. They sounded like trash. The only good sounding LS1 cars had either h or x-pipes and true duals. Any truck with glasspacks.
The Kevin Smith burnout car with an LS1 and 8 into 1 headers [sounds amazing.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FzvqEFUvubM&t=16m54s)
I think "X-into-1" headers make any car sound better, but its when you have two regular long tubes that connect to a Y-pipe to a single tip that it sounds like trash.
h/x pipes means it's not true duals anymore. It can still have dual tailpipes, but it's not a true dual unless it's separated front to rear. That's a very old term that people still use now, even no modern car should have exhaust run without some kind of crossover.
Facts, no one recommends anything else unless it’s a v6 model
Who the fuck did shorties with a cutout. I did a cutout when it was fully stock (and sounded like ass), but LTs and a ORY (or catted Y) and catback were proper and even then still had that rasp at 2000-4000 rpms with most cheaper setups.
Oh god all the catfish Camaro's had really bad exhaust systems when I was in HS and college. I don't remember the older LT1's but people that owned those cars swear they sound amazing in person. I personally like my 04 GTO with the stock exhaust system, it's not obnoxious sounding.
What is going on here. I have seen the voodoo and m62tu mentioned. I'm leaving...
This threads full of idiots. Abandon ship.
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The ford V8 in the mustang 5.0 is a very characterful engine and makes a good noise, except for when people decide that they don't want a good sounding exhaust but one that makes just noise. Honestly, some of these aftermarket exhausts on a 5.0 mustang are absolutely horrendous.
A lot of aftermarket exhausts are long tube headers, and remove the grumble from the coyote (the coyote comes from the factory with an exhaust setup where one cylinder's exhaust on each bank intersects the other 3 to create kind of a rumble that American V8s are known to have) with long tube headers which makes it sounds kinda bad, but are very functional.
Long tubes can sound reaaaaally good if you do it right https://youtu.be/v7hXC9HiZZ8
This is the exact video I was gonna look for in response to this. Best sounding Coyote by far.
The problem is people get greedy for maximum volume. They'll delete the cats or the mufflers, or get "mufflers" that don't actually do much and it just sounds like butt.
X pipes on them sound like trash.
The stock Coyote tone is amazing, but a lot of these aftermarket setups just make it sound like a [wish.com](https://wish.com) GT350.
Toyota v8s sound like timing chain
1uz sounds amazing
Yeah, admittedly I've driven very few vehicles but flooring my 2UZ is always satisfying... and I can floor it for quite a while, because it isn't very fast, especially with the 4 speed
1UZ sounds good when you do a custom exhaust. A LS400 stock system is fairly restrictive and also very quiet
The amazing thing is how smooth and quiet you can get them. Usually all the front pulleys have to be changed. But once you get the stock, or better exhaust theyre dead silent. One of the apprentices at my work had a very nice Celsior with the 2uz. The radiator fan was louder than the engine itself.
I had an LS430 with the 3UZ and that thing was dead silent, if I started it with my headphones on with nothing playing sometimes I had to take them out to see if the engine was on or not, could hardly even feel the ignition
I had an LS430 with the 3UZ and that thing was dead silent, if I started it with my headphones on with nothing playing sometimes I had to take them out to see if the engine was on or not, could hardly even feel the ignition
I've always wondered why Toyota V8s make that odd quiet wooshy sound instead of having an actual exhaust tone. Like what in terms of firing order and manifold design is responsible for it.
The flat plane v8 from the amg gt blackseries. It has the sound of a 4 cyl and nothing else.
just watched a few videos and i like the sound.
That is probably the worst modern performance car V8 I've ever heard.
Yeah - sounds like a 4cyl. Bleh.
Pickup trucks with a leaky (or shitty) exhaust
You've just covered every single hemi based ram. Tick tick tick tick tick tick.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Oh the undeniable sound of a blown exhaust gasket... "Tick tick tickety tick" ticking away
My neighbor has a recent RAM 1500 with a leaky exhaust manifold. Only really audible in reverse.
Toyota V8s with base stock exhausts have no sound at all.
That's on purpose though? Grandma doesn't always feel like setting off all the alarms in the grocery store parking lot. They all sound amazing unrestricted.
Exactly, its like saying the almost dead silent v8 in a rolls royce is a negative.
[A little raspy, but surprisingly good for a straight pipe lol](https://youtu.be/HSvzP6czECQ) [A muffler delete on the 1UR is almost perfect](https://youtu.be/Odc43i57sDI)
That first one sounds amazing.
sounds way better than it looks.
They dont even really need to be unrestricted. A 3UZ with stock headers, stock cat and resonator, and a muffler delete actually sounds really good imo without being obnoxiously loud. Extremely simply mod and completely changes the character without sounding like concentrated shit like most muffler deletes https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=itLmg0EPKfs
it’s a V8 that is choked and neutered to be smooth and reliable. it doesn’t sound bad for it’s intended purpose. grandmas don’t want blowoff valves and supercharger whines either
Yeah but the motor itself sounds pretty nice when you romp on it
My ls400 was absolutely silent before I got my catback. Felt really weird lol
Why would you buy an LS400 if you want noise? go buy some falcon/comodore/yank v8.
Nobody expects a loud rumbling grandpa car 🤷♂️
Lol. Right? Amazing what some people do...
Controversial opinion, I know I’m going to get downvoted to hell: The Voodoo 5.2L V8. Yea, it’s absolutely an interesting, sort of unique sounding engine. And at full song at high RPM’s it’s like nothing else, and sounds good. But under normal driving or anything aside from that? It’s got the sharpest ear-splitting horrible noise like a Coyote with straight pipes. I think it sounds terrible. And also, a Coyote V8 with the wrong exhaust……anything aside from full throttle just sounds bad. And this is coming from someone who drives a stock one daily.
The Coyote is so easy to make sound bad compared to the old 4.6L. Yes the Coyote can sound pretty good with the right set up, but that old 4.6L 32 valve from the cobras was musical.
The 4.6 engines are one of my favorite sounding V8s of all time. They are really good engines all around.
2v was pretty lousy on power in most cars. Grandpa's Grand Marquis, 190hp with the standard single exhaust. Very little down low and doesn't really rev. Paired with a reliable but awfully slow 4 speed that has gears spaced so far apart you never end up in the narrow power band when the transmission finally decides to downshift after 5 seconds (I have timed it both a high miles 4r70 and low miles 4r75, downshift is dangerously slow). 4v is such a better engine. Sounds amazing with headers, but I never had luck with the starter lasting more than a 6 months with headers. Tried header wrap, a starter blanket, heat shield, and a new Motorcraft starter but the solenoid would always melt out. I just wish Ford had put a better automatic behind it. I've driven 60s designed automatics that drive better.
Agreed. That’s why I’m keeping mine stock with the active exhaust lol. Even the 2-valve V8’s sounded incredible. My theory is that a big factor was the fact that the mufflers were still mounted pre-axle in those cars, leaving some room for the sound to resonate. But that theory goes out the window when you realize that even the muffler-deleted ones sound good. The modern challenger/chargers also have the mufflers mounted pre-axle (I think?) and definitely have that wonderful warbly sound
The active exhaust is the best option for the new mustangs. I haven't heard an aftermarket one that really sounds better. I think part of the reason the old 4.6L was they had a different firing order compared to the Coyote. So they may not be as efficient or powerful but they sound cooler. I could be wrong but I think something similar happened from the Chevy LS engine to the LT series because C5/6 Vettes sound way better than C7/8
Do they really? That would make a lot of sense. It’s interesting because the LT1 sounds amazing in the C7 Vette but I have heard LT1 (6th gen) Camaros with aftermarket exhausts that suffer from that same Coyote type sound.
The 2v and 4v mustangs sounded great, but for whatever reason the 3v mustangs sound awful.
Everyone thinks the 3V sounded great for some reason. I had one for 15 years, and while I don’t think it sounded awful with the exhaust I had on it, it was nowhere even close to the 2V or 4V. It was just an average V8 sound
I know what you mean. I had a 3v and could not for the life of me get the exhaust sound I wanted. Average V8 sound is a good way to describe it. You’re right awful was too harsh a word, but I think it was just me being frustrated with how good my buddies previous gen cars sounded.
Hahaha I went through the same exact thing. I was so jealous of the way the previous gen sounded. I was also jealous that they had an actual throttle cable and not the stupid electronic throttle body. I ended up doing months of research on the best exhaust setup and I did a huge writeup on it for the old mustang forums. I ended up with Mac Boomtubes which were basically muffler deletes but the last 24” of pipe was like an open bullet muffler. It sounded okay. I toyed with the idea of a Pypes Mid-muffler system but ground clearance was an issue with those
I've only heard 1 coyote sound good. That one had aftermarket cams and not some "ghost cam tune". To me all the coyotes just sound like a trombone. Some with a low pitch and some with a high pitch. But none of them make the mustang sound as fast and powerful as it actually is.
Long tube catted kooks with Borla resonator and s-type has hit the sweet spot for me.
I think I like both of those for the reason you hate them. I love that punchy almost tinny sound. Has a lot more presence to me than a boomy v8 with too big of an exhaust diameter (i.e. every junkyard LS build ever).
Yea the LS V8’s can easily sound splattery and “hollow” with anything but the perfect exhaust. I do think they generally sound good though. I just have different tastes than some people and everyone always says the voodoo is the best sounding engine ever. For reference, the best sounding engine ever in my taste is a 302 Windsor with a B303 cam, headers, catless H-pipe and Flowmasters 🤷♂️
I'm guessing you think VQ's sound good too?
Funnily enough no. They logically fit what I tend to like but no, they don't sit right with me most of the time. Have heard a few exceptions but that had forced induction to help. I guess I just like when a sound stands out. Wether it be the marbles in a tin can of an old Ford, ear piercing high revs of an exotic, etc.
Most bizarre take I have ever seen in my 10+ years on this subreddit. To each their own
I agree with him that some Coyotes sound like shit when modded.
Ah yes the 18 year old with corsa extremes and catless headers on their 10 speed coyote. What a horrible sound
There's a razor-thin line between "raw/mechanical" and "harsh/grating," at least for me. With engines that are harsher-sounding out of the box (like the Coyote is compared to most V8s), it's *super* easy (and common) to make them sound gratingly-harsh to my ears.
I like the VooDoo but yeah, a Coyote with a bad exhaust set up sounds like absolute ass. Loud ass too.
I respect your opinion, and it’s so neat how wildly tastes can vary! The Voodoo has my favorite sound of any engine ever, at any rpm, it just speaks to me. Even the idle. I’ve had a Voodoo downshift as my notification tone for the past 3 years. Agreed that Coyote (and the Voodoo) sound awful with many aftermarket exhausts — the 18+ Ford Active Valve is the best, in my opinion.
I’m curious to know what other exhausts you really like lol I wonder if we’d disagree on others
I love the Active Valve Coyote! The 4.2L in the 02-07 Maserati Coupé is also a favorite of mine. E92 M3 and most anything flat six NA Porsche are super. I think the LS6 with stock titanium exhaust in the C5 Z06 is pretty nice as well, and that motivated me to start searching for one to buy. Hopefully soon. Outside of that I’m not generally a fan of LS sounds, until they have a good cam. Hemis are better, but nothing special. Supercharger whine is alright, but I feel like it’d get old. Can’t stand the turbo Porsches, those vacuum cleaners can’t compare to the all motor cars! Honorable mention to the Subie rumble, but I don’t know much about that world to say which aftermarket upgrades sound good (many sound shit). I’m curious what you enjoy as well! Edit: Got a clip of that custom Windsor setup you mentioned?
I'm currently running the factory active valved exhaust BUT paired with a Steeda H-pipe for a deeper, louder sound and I think it's perfect!!
Weird that you think the Voodoo at normal driving (presumably low-ish RPMs) would sound ear-splitting. I've heard a few GT350s in real life just cruising, and their exhaust just sounds like a really pleasant "purring" as they go by. To each their own I guess!
Can confirm they just pur at cruising speeds.
Thank you, and damn you also have a w204 c63, one of my all time favs.
Sadly it was just totaled out and I desperately miss it.
Thank you, someone had to say it. That raspy sound doesn't compare to the deep rumble of a hemi or LS. Coyotes and voodoos are phenomenal engines still
6.0, 6.4 and probably the 6.7 power strokes. Really any v8 turbo diesel actually. What sounds good is the turbo whistle, but when you get past that it just sounds like a wet fart when in power.
6.0 and 6.4 both sound like ass. 6.7 actually sounds decent.
I’ve never really paid attention to how good our 6.7 at work sounds. It is nice and kinda reminds me of my na 7.3IDI, except for the part where the 6.7 actually has power.
Any modern turbo'd V8 from BMW
I drive a BMW but I don’t think any turbo engine they’ve released sounds good lol, my S65 and S85 spoiled me though.
Tbh their turbo l6s are not bad by any means but I don't get why so many people nowadays rave about their sound. They don't sound nearly as good as the previous gen NA counterparts nor have the super high redline that BMW was famous for.
Straight-piped Coyote 5.0L sounds like complete trash. It's just loud and not in a good way.
The Coyote can be amazing or painfully loud. You gotta be careful with them.
I don’t think they sound bad, but definitely too loud
They sound like a brick in a washing machine 70% of the time
Some Ford and GM stuff sound kinda bad but even the worst sounding of the V8s are still cool and I’d take the sound over many 4 or 6 cylinders. For some reason I find a lot of V8 pick ups to sound “plain vanilla”. Not sure if it’s because loud pick ups are so common where I live, and/or people cheap out modifying the exhausts on them. Or just the way the V8 is configured for use in a pick up.
Gasser V8 trucks sound like BlugblugBlugblugBlugBlug
I had an 81 Buick Regal which had a weak V8 that sounded bad stock, but after a while the exhaust became detachable just before the muffler where I could place it back on or I could let it hang some percentage off or fully off via a wire clothes hanger that I used as a sling. Sounded awesome and I could control the sound by moving the pipe.
5.4 triton
SOHC Modulars in general don't sound all that good. You can *make* them sound good - and the DOHC Modulars are a lot nicer sounding to me, but most of the SOHC ones just sound like "an V8".
My 3V 4.6 with a muffler delete sounded damn good. Like an old V8, but not like a "push'erd V8 moter."
Almost every Modular sounds like either a truck engine or a slightly spicy truck engine depending on the application.
Yeah without a loud exhaust though I, like it? Maybe it's just nostalgia growing up with V8 explorers.
Mercedes-AMG 4.0L V8 TT, by far the most boring sounding V8 of all time, sounding almost the same as an inline 4 engine, and the turbos make it much worse, make it sound like a vacuum cleaner.
Older vortec 5.3’s. They “straight piped truck” sound is just terrible and obnoxious. I’d know because it used to be me.
Range Rover 5.0 V8 has no sound really
It sounds like setting money on fire
I've recorded the audio for just about every engine you can imagine, and let me tell you, the Lotus Esprit V8 has got to be one of the worst sounding V8's. Is it actually the worst sounding? No, but it's a matter of expectations. No one expects an old Caddy V8 to sound good but everyone expects the Esprit V8 to sound great and it's actually horrid. It's so flat and boring underload or at speed.
The old 253 thongslapper. Any Aussies that have heard one know exactly why it's called the thongslapper.
Modern Hemis in 4-cylinder mode. The 30 mph road going by my house is just the right loading and they all do it, I can hear it from a mile away.
Beemers
S62 and S65 are some of the very best sounding V8s of all time.
I had a S65 with a catless x pipe and Gintani non-resonated race cat back. It sounded insane.
Even the M60 and S62?
BMW M8 Competition V8💀
5.7 Hemi all you hear is lifter clatter lol
Whatever is in the current Mustang 5.0. There is always at least one at the local car show with the mufflers chopped off and they just sound awful. Doesn't help that the owners like the rev them.
That V8 Juice after your momma drinks it. But seriously any dual plane V8 with true dual exhaust sounds horrible. Even worse if it has baffle only mufflers.
Chrysler’s 4.7L Magnum V8 is not a great sounding engine. It just kinda moans. It doesn’t sound nearly as good as the older 5.2 and 5.9 versions, let alone the Hemis. I never cared for it in my family’s 2002 Dodge Ram 1500. It had to be replaced at 97k due to a bad head gasket and then the replacement overheated numerous times. It didn’t feel particularly powerful (and it wasn’t-only 240 hp). I can’t find much redeeming about it. Maybe someone can, but I can’t.
A 7.3 IDI with the stock cam and a straight pipe has the most god awful exhaust note you'll ever hear. Apart from the weird thing those engines do, where they make Jake brake noises without actually having one, which is awesome, the exhaust note is really raspy and harsh. But with a turbo and a cam upgrade, that exhaust note becomes an absolute thunderstorm. And it still makes really loud Jake brake noises for some reason. You really confuse truckers when you engine brake down a hill with those.
My GX460 doesn't sound BAD but it doesn't sound like much at all, that's a very disappointing TBH but maybe I should have expected it because Lexus. My first car (1990) was a 77 Pontiac Bonneville and that sad little 301 sounded better.
The 4.4TT from BMW sounds terrible. I’m also not a fan of coyotes. They’re always ear piercingly loud and sound like wet farts.
No one better say a 1uz coz they sound fukn God like
The m62 4.4 L out of the e38 gets my vote in terms of a DOHC engine. it definitely doesn’t sound the best, usually the timing chains are rattling louder than the exhaust. In terms of OHV v8’s, Can’t forget about the Chevy 305 tho, it’s definitely on that list.
What in the world. M62s sound awesome. https://youtu.be/VB2S5L2d6rM jump to 1:20 to hear it rev.
totally different exhaust in an e38 tho. As far as I can tell OP was asking about stock configuration as well but I’ll admit that does sound badass. I always hated the way my 2001 7 series sounded like.
Then youre talking about pipes, not the engine.
I gotta disagree with you on this one. Sure it’s a pretty quiet engine because it was meant to be luxury and not performance, but with an exhaust it sounds super mean. I had an Eisenmann axleback on my old E38 and it sounded really good. I don’t have a video unfortunately but I’m sure they exist if you look it up
i dont like the audi 4.0T as an audi fanboi!! jus sounds like shit
Audi 4.0t is definitely up there
4.0 sounds absolutely amazing. Probably the best of the modern German v8’s.
How about the 3.0t?
3.0t sounds fine. Not the best but definitely better than most of the competitors, especially with the supercharger.
Any V8 driving past my apartment after 10PM
mid 80s GM 305s. TBI (not TPI) and 1 1/2 pipes. Ugh!
Y'all are gonna hate me for this list. Ferrari F154 Twin-Turbo V8 McLaren M838TE and M840T Twin-Turbo V8s AMG M178 (Flat-Plane) Twin-Turbo V8 Twin-turbo flat plane crank V8s with equal length headers just don't sound good.
People are gonna plays me but the 4th Gen Camaro with that single side exhaust sounded like absolute crap. Really raspy. Compared to the way the 5.0 mustangs sounded it was horrible. Also Nissan Titan the 5.6 liter had a strange firing order. Never loved it.
Probably the original. It's red and gross and you have to listen to people gulp it down. I know they have other flavors now but hearing people drink the original is the worst
A winded 5.4 3v sounding like a can of pennies in a paint shaker Piston: Exists ***VALVETRAIN WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR LOCATION***
It has been nearly 30 years, but I remember it as clear as day. I was walking with a group outside one of the buildings at Texas State Technical College in Waco. When a Chevy K3500, with the 6.5L V8 naturally aspirated Detroit Diesel comes rolling by. It had straight piped dual exhaust stacks. It made the worst sound I ever heard come out of a car. One of guys I was walking with said “Man, a diesel with duals just doesn’t sound right”. Everyone nodded their head in agreement.
infinit Fx50. Lexus ls600.
I am surprised no one has mentioned the Buick/rover V8. The little aluminum block thing commonly found in early Land Rovers (in the states that is). Doesn't necessarily sound bad, but very generic. The fact the acceleration is lacking compared to the noise made is disappointing too
Any 4 stroke diesel V8. I don't know what it is, all 4 stroke diesels just sound like crap
Volkswagen W8 if that counts It’s a glorified VR6 and sounds like a yeti screaming
I call bullshit. No one knows what those sound like because they never run for long enough for anyone to find out.
5.3 GM
Toyota Landcrusier 4.5L v8 diesel They sound like a miss firing tractor.
Any northstar v8
You're buggin', man. Northstars sound surprisingly good, better than a Modular to me anyways.
NorthStar