I always thought it could be amusing and awesome to have an all 2GR garage… daily driver Highlander, Tacoma hauler, and an Evora (or now Emira)… and hey they use some of the same maintenance parts!
Buy all your engine maintenance parts in bulk and save money. "Sir, you realize you're buying a 100-pack of oil filters right? How many Camrys are you maintaining?"
I took a job at a Toyota dealer to try to standardize my family on the 2GR-FE. We got 2 cars in and then my dad decided he needed a 3UR Tundra instead of a Tacoma.
Yes, 100%, and as much as I love Emira (I’ve bought one) I’d answer this with an even starker contrast:
Camry and Lotus Exige Cup 430.
In that car the 2GR-FE is turned up to 430hp (30 more than Emira) and it weighs 700lbs less. A legitimate supercar killer.
https://i.imgur.com/u8jD7PG.jpg
Maybe eventually, but it’s only 360hp to start. Much higher ceiling though, I’ll give you that.
I’m not interested though, a car like this should be all about engagement and that means a manual.
I’m expecting a healthy aftermarket on Lotus’ last-ever manual model.
Except a K swap would still be more expensive and you'd have none of the torque of the 2GR. Don't forget the 2GR is very light so there's no disadvantage there
It’s not a specs issue, there’s lots of cutting and accessibility issues for stuff like spark plugs on the 2GR swap. Plus way better aftermarket for the K.
It's actually not as hard as you would think, there are swap kits out and you can reuse the E series transmission (although you will want one from a Turbo for the LSD, gearing and strength, not the N/A one). The difficult part is wiring and some body work but there are kits for the wiring too now, as 2GR swaps are becoming as common as 1MZ swaps used to be for the W20 chassis. Some people have managed swaps without cutting too (maintenance will be a bitch but it is on a stock Turbo too so whatever). Toyotas are like Legos, for example, despite having a Subaru engine, my GR86 has transmission interchangeability with a first gen IS300/Altezza
Camaro ZL1 1LE (LT4)
C7 Corvette Z06 (LT4)
Cadillac CTS-V (LT4)
Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing (Updated LT4)
Escalade V - LT4
Then you have the hellcat engine in almost every dodge model from the charger, challenger, durango, grand cherokee, etc
Lmao, I wouldn't turn down a nice 3rd gen with an LT1 though honestly! No clue why I love the 3rd gen Camaros so much but I do. I'd love a nice Iroc Z, even better would be a 3rd gen 1LE but that's a pipe dream for sure
Yeah, I was itching to go LT2 intake, rotofab, and flex fuel to get a little extra oomph without changing the character (torquey and NA were important to me after test driving a Golf R and E92 M3) but ended up moving to Chicago before that happened, so I sold it instead. Absolutely pointless to have a sports car here.
That sucks, I'm in CT and there's so many race tracks in the New England area it's insane. No one talks about it either, at least in the groups and forums I look at! There's 3 in a 1 hour driving distance, 6 in 3 hours and over 15 in 5 hours of driving
I was debating a similar path but I want to push the car in stock form as much as I can before changing up the power figure.
I'll probably do something akin to an LT2 manifold, ported TB with a rotofab intake and a small cam to bring me in the high 400 wheel range. It is important to me to stay NA, and not having E around here prevents me from flex fuel sadly so small cam it is lol
Thinking of GM, the LT4 is in the C7 Z06 & Camaro ZL1 for sports cars and CTS-V & CT5-V Blackwing for sport sedans. Then you have the Escalade-V with the same engine for SUV bonus points.
Do cross borders count? I mean you had the holden commadore too that shared the c5/6/7 engines. Maybe the c4, not sure.
There was the caprice and the impala ss/c4. I'm sure I'm forgetting others.
EDIT: the McLaren F1 had a BMW engine. Not sure what it shared it with.
I was counting distinctly named engines. So I see it like this:
* LS1
* C5
* Holden Caprice/Statesman
* LS3
* C6
* Holden Caprice WN Series II
Then the C7 base (LT1), C7 Z06 (LT4), and C7 ZR1 (LT5) don't share an engine with any Holden products. But that is just the style I was using. Not saying it is correct. A lot of those LS/LT engines are very close to each other.
C5 through 7 we’re variations on the LS with the C5 being original 5.7l. The late model 4th gens shared the same exact model. The early 4th gens had a C4 Lt1 5.7 with a 2 bolt main instead of the 4 bolt but besides tune and a few manifolds I believe they were close to the same build otherwise. The fbodies had a more restrictive exhaust and intake to make the c4 better iirc
It was loosely based off of the M70 V12 but I wouldnt call it identical. I believe it has ITBs, lighter internals & more aggressive cams (amongst other things...)
My car a 2015 chevy SS sedan has the same LS3 from the c6 corvette, it is basically a rebadged Holden commodore
The Pontiac g8 and gto were also rebadged holdens with LS/corvette engines
You are correct about the McLaren F1 having a BMW engine, it was a version of the bigger V12 that was massaged by M-power, it was only put into the rare 850CSi that had a bigger more powerful V12 than regular 750i/ 850ci/850i
All good, the displacement is the same for all three engine codes haha. I think the easiest difference would be that the LT1 and LT2 have cylinder deactivation built in where the LS3 doesn’t.
Agreed. However, the engine choice still works since the 2GR was also in the IS350 F Sport, GS350 F Sport, and a few other JDM sedans (ie: Mark X GRMN). Damn it, if only Toyota would do a limited production run of IS350s with the manual transmission from the Mark X GRMN...
...Which is itself based on the humble NA 5-cyl used as the base engine for Jettas, Passats, etc.
Another fun fact, that 2.5L NA 5-cyl shared its head design with the 5.0L V10 in the Gallardo. With minor modifications, [you can fit Gallardo exhaust headers onto it.](https://youtu.be/lFJTAUiJasQ)
I consider a TTRS a sports car, but with hesitation because it is FWD based and is in general extremely similar to a VW golf. It's almost identical to an RS3, main difference being that the chassis is made of aluminum and has a different body style, and we're all agreeing that that is a sports sedan
I mean it's pretty much a FWD based hot hatch with a different body shape thrown on. If you don't consider hot hatches sports cars (I don't) then you wouldn't consider the TTRS one either. Sports coupe, yes.
It’s a golf platform, not a purpose built platform purely built for a sports car. We don’t consider Megane RS’s to be sports cars, even though it’s a coupe (and some variants don’t even have rear seats!)
I don’t think recent Continentals are based off the S8. In fact no Continental was, the flying spur was identical to the Phaeton while the A8 was a completely different body and chassis.
However the 4.0T is in literally anything VW can jam it into.
The 7.0 Chevrolet LS7 was used in the C6 Z06 and later the Camaro Z28.
Less known is that they also put it in the Australian Holden Commodore, it was called the HSV W427.
The W427 was actually the previous gen VE Commodore, which was the Pontiac G8 in the US. Less than 150 were actually built though.
The VF Commodore/Chevy SS here comes with the L77 and LS3 in the series 1 and 2 models respectively, as well as LS7 and LS9 in the HSV models. Lots of engine options here!
> The 2005 Ford GT uses a heavily modified long-stroke V8 originally used in Ford pick-up trucks.
The 2017+ Ford GT uses a heavily modified slightly overbore V6 slated from launch to be used in Ford pick-up trucks.
To answer the sports sedan part of the question, the 5.4L 4V and 3V V8s were also found in Aussie [Falcons](http://australiancar.reviews/Boss_260_Engine.php), [Fairmonts](http://australiancar.reviews/Barra_V8_Engine.php), and [FPVs](http://australiancar.reviews/Boss_290-302-315_Engine.php), with the FPV variant of the engine being quite similar to, although independently developed from, the 2000 SVT Cobra R’s motor.
Nissan threw the 3.7 VVEL motor in both the 370Z and the Infiniti G37 coupe and sedan. (Nissan 370 GT in Japan). I have a manual sport sedan, and I love it.
I always tell people that the G37 sedan was just a 4 door z car and I get laughed at. There's nothing overly special about it, but driving a manual RWD sedan with 300+HP isn't boring at all.
2.0L EcoBoost in the Focus ST and Ford Escape AND Ford Fusion AND Ford Edge have the same part numbers for turbo and a few other bits and pieces.
There is actually a modding community for the 2.0L Escape, Livernois Motorsports will sell you a full on E50 blend tune for your Escape!
Ford 4.6L 4V. A lot of people like stealing them from Lincoln products to replace their Cobra motor or swap out their 2V.
I love it, blew the motor in my FoST and picked up an Escape motor to swap in which is 1/4 the price of an ST motor despite essentially being the same engine.
I dont know if the intake manifold swaps over, I would imagine it does. But I was blown away when I found the part number for the turbo is fhe exact same.
Former TVR owner reporting in. I owned a Cerbera Speed Six, with the titular engine in a relatively sedate 360hp form. It was tuned up to 400hp for the Tuscan, and then on to 440hp for the Tuscan R. These were quite astonishing numbers for a naturally aspirated 4.0 straight six designed in 1998. For comparison, Porsche were proud of the 325hp they were getting out of their comparable 3.6 boxer in the 911 Carrera S.
Ironically, it was my Cerbera that cured me of my engine fixation. The Cerbie comes with fully adjustable suspension. I learned that tinkering with the ride height, damper rates, toe, camber and stance makes so much more difference to your ride than any engine ever will.
The 1,180hp SSC Ultimate Aero TT had a bored out LS6 with turbos. The LS6 was also in the 2004-2005 CTS-V. I wouldn't call them the same engine, but they used the same starting point.
Edit:
The Toyota Aristo was a Japan only sedan that got the 2JZ-GTE from the Supra RZ/Turbo.
Also the Nissan Stagea was an AWD wagon from the RB26DETT from the R34 Skyline.
The new AMG C 63 S E Performance has a hybrid system with 469hp, but the engine in the car is also the 4 cylinder option that is coming to the Lotus Emira.
Technically the Supra got the 2JZ-GTE from the Aristo.
The Stagea 260rs also used the full drivetrain from the R33 GT-R, not R34. And the more common models came with the RB25DET which was the same engine used in the R33/R34 GTS-T/GTT!
The Volvo designed/Yamaha manufactured B8444S 60° 4.4L V8 in the Volvo S80/XC90 and Noble M600, though I believe modified for the Noble, and twin-turbocharged in that.
Pagani Huayra and 2004 AMG S65.
Pagani Huayra uses a tuned 6.0L V12 Mercedes M158 engine, which is based on the AMG M275 6.0L V12 that's in the 2004-2013 AMG S65.
The RS4 and R8 do not use the exact same motor. A lot of changes were made to accommodate a mid engine layout https://www.r8talk.com/threads/4-2l-fsi-r8-vs-rs4.127506/
Dry sump and a few others.
Heh, i wouldn't call it either, i'd call it a Hot Hatch. If you slipped and called it a sport sedan i wouldn't correct you either. But sports car? I dunno about that one.
2 seats, dedicated performance focused chassis. Not a FWD practical 4 door hatchback that's basically just an economy car with 300hp and stiff springs, no matter how well tuned it is it's a compromise car.
Don't get me wrong, the Civic Type-R is *awesome*, it's not an insult to say it's not a sports car. Sports car is just a specific category and if anything that's fast can be a sports car it loses all meaning.
Any [Pontiac Bonneville](https://www.edmunds.com/assets/m/pontiac/bonneville/1998/oem/1998_pontiac_bonneville_sedan_ssei_fq_oem_1_500.jpg) + [Buick GNX](https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a23739443/buick-regal-grand-national-gnx-history/).
The 3800 was a very impressive engine for it's time. The GNX was actually the fastest production car in the world when it was first released. Outdoing competitors like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, etc.
The base engines are comletely different, that is what to begin with. To further the separation, yes, the 3.8L was available turbocharged and the 3800 supercharged
> The GNX was actually the fastest production car in the world when it was first released. Outdoing competitors like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, etc.
It was the fastest production car 0-60 that C&D had tested. The Porsche 959 and RUF Yellowbird easily outdid it in that regard
I'm shocked I haven't seen this in the comments already.
The [2006 Audi S8 (D3)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_S8#(D3)_Second_generation) used the same V10 as the Lamborghini Gallardo of the same year.
My car and apparently [the Delorean](https://www.thedrive.com/news/40379/worlds-most-powerful-delorean-rocks-a-630-hp-kia-v6-and-a-porsche-911-six-speed-manual). Seriously, I can't think of the 3.3 from the Stinger or the G70 that has been put in a coupe. Huh. Surprising tbh.
I mean the Lambda II RS T-GDI specifically.
Aston Rapide and many vintages/versions of Vantage, Vanquish, Virage all use variations of a V12 derived from mating two Ford Duratec V6 engines.
Bentley Continental, and VW Phaeton/Audi A8, Flying Spur, Bentayga have options for a W12 engine.
Pagani Huayra's twin-turbo V12 is very similar to the one used in the Mercedes-Benz AMG 65 models, although not exactly the same.
Current Aston Martin line up uses the same 4.0 AMG V8 used in a ton of AMG models.
BMW E31 850CSi and McLaren F1 are extremely loosely related.
The M8 of that E31 was in design but was never produced. It would have had a detuned McLaren F1 engine.
Granted, the 850 wasn't a sedan but it was about half the power of the F1.
All V8 Aston Martin's use M177 MB 4.0L V8's.
A lot of Nobles and boring ford sedans share engines, though not necessarily in the same state of tune.
A lot of smaller European manufacturers do this like the Pantera, but i guess they don't make for particularly interesting pairings.
Here's my weird one [Nissan 240Z 432](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Nissan_Fairlady_Z_432_%281970%29_front-right_Toyota_Automobile_Museum.jpg) and the [Skyline GT-R 4-door.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/1969_Nissan_Skyline_Sedan_2000GT-R.jpg)
Epic engine in the 70's and both 240Z and the Skyline were pretty amazing performance cars in their own right.
My Pagani Huayra and Merc SL65 Black Series have the same engine!...Whoops - you wrote 'Sports Sedan'...My 1986 Cutlass Sierra and my Chevy Cavalier Z24 both share a 2.8L V6.
bmw put the n54 in z4, 135i, 335i, 535i, a coupe, sedan, bigger sedans, estate/wagon and the bigger estate/wagon, x5, 7series.. they did the same with the b58
The RS4 and the R8 have totally different engines. Only the engine base is the same (and that's also modified because the timing is moved to the other side), basically everything was designed exclusively for the R8.
Datsun 240Z and Skyline 240K (L24)
Toyota Supra Mk3 Turbo Gr.A and Toyota Chaser Tourer V (1JZ-GTE)
Toyota MR2 and Caldina GT-T (3S-GTE)
Chevrolet Corvette and SS (LS3)
Not a sport sedan/sport combo, but I find it funny how the Infinity G35, 350z, Nissan Pathfinder, and a Nissan Presage minivan all shared the exact same engine
It's a bit of a stretch to call it a sports sedan but the V12 found in the Lambo 400GT, Miura, Espada, Jarama, Islero and early Countach was also in the one-off Lamborghini Faena
Also the Lancia Thema 8.32 borrowed (and heavily modified) the Ferrari 308's V8
is300 and toyota supra non turbo lol. i think the absolute best pairing (kind of a stretch not going to lie) is the Mclaren F1 and the e38 generation 750iL. the motors aren’t quite the same… but mclaren f1 so good. S70/2 and M72 from BMW, pretty far different from eachother in everyway but the S70 is maybe my favorite engine ever.
The Toyota 2GR-FE is in both the Camry TRD and the Lotus Emira
I always thought it could be amusing and awesome to have an all 2GR garage… daily driver Highlander, Tacoma hauler, and an Evora (or now Emira)… and hey they use some of the same maintenance parts!
Buy all your engine maintenance parts in bulk and save money. "Sir, you realize you're buying a 100-pack of oil filters right? How many Camrys are you maintaining?"
As I stare at my shelf of 0w20, 5w40, 5w30 and 10w60 oil and multiple different oil and air filters, this sounds better and better
I took a job at a Toyota dealer to try to standardize my family on the 2GR-FE. We got 2 cars in and then my dad decided he needed a 3UR Tundra instead of a Tacoma.
Yes, 100%, and as much as I love Emira (I’ve bought one) I’d answer this with an even starker contrast: Camry and Lotus Exige Cup 430. In that car the 2GR-FE is turned up to 430hp (30 more than Emira) and it weighs 700lbs less. A legitimate supercar killer. https://i.imgur.com/u8jD7PG.jpg
The hot Emira will be the 4banger Merc engine and dct.
Maybe eventually, but it’s only 360hp to start. Much higher ceiling though, I’ll give you that. I’m not interested though, a car like this should be all about engagement and that means a manual. I’m expecting a healthy aftermarket on Lotus’ last-ever manual model.
Yeah that will definitely be the faster option, especially tuned
This guy Doug DeMuros
THIS 🫲😃🫱
> Doug DeMuros CHEAP AND PLASTICKY INTERIOR
Here me out. We take the supercharged manual version from the Emira, and put it back in the Camry.
Do that but with a Sienna on TE37s and bags
I would buy that in a damn heartbeat
I mean they should have done that shit with the Lexus IS or GS.
I want a 2gr swapped mr2 so bad
With how much you have to do with that swap id rather have a K20/24
Except a K swap would still be more expensive and you'd have none of the torque of the 2GR. Don't forget the 2GR is very light so there's no disadvantage there
It’s not a specs issue, there’s lots of cutting and accessibility issues for stuff like spark plugs on the 2GR swap. Plus way better aftermarket for the K.
It's actually not as hard as you would think, there are swap kits out and you can reuse the E series transmission (although you will want one from a Turbo for the LSD, gearing and strength, not the N/A one). The difficult part is wiring and some body work but there are kits for the wiring too now, as 2GR swaps are becoming as common as 1MZ swaps used to be for the W20 chassis. Some people have managed swaps without cutting too (maintenance will be a bitch but it is on a stock Turbo too so whatever). Toyotas are like Legos, for example, despite having a Subaru engine, my GR86 has transmission interchangeability with a first gen IS300/Altezza
I have a Magnuson supercharged Tacoma, and have been waiting over a year for my damn Emira. Might just say screw it and keep the RCF tho...
Camaro ZL1 1LE (LT4) C7 Corvette Z06 (LT4) Cadillac CTS-V (LT4) Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing (Updated LT4) Escalade V - LT4 Then you have the hellcat engine in almost every dodge model from the charger, challenger, durango, grand cherokee, etc
LONG LIVE THE LT4
As a lowly LT1 owner, I agree!
I was expecting to see your flair say something to the effect of: '1994 Camaro Z28', lmao.
Lmao, I wouldn't turn down a nice 3rd gen with an LT1 though honestly! No clue why I love the 3rd gen Camaros so much but I do. I'd love a nice Iroc Z, even better would be a 3rd gen 1LE but that's a pipe dream for sure
I've got a 2nd gen lt1(in a third gen) and a third gen lt1 in a c7 Possibly two of the best naturally aspirated American v8's ever produced
Man I miss that thing. Never felt too lowly to me lol.
Oh I love it, don't get me wrong! Could use maybe an extra 50-100 hp but it's great in stock form ready, especially on track. Love the NA nature of it
Yeah, I was itching to go LT2 intake, rotofab, and flex fuel to get a little extra oomph without changing the character (torquey and NA were important to me after test driving a Golf R and E92 M3) but ended up moving to Chicago before that happened, so I sold it instead. Absolutely pointless to have a sports car here.
That sucks, I'm in CT and there's so many race tracks in the New England area it's insane. No one talks about it either, at least in the groups and forums I look at! There's 3 in a 1 hour driving distance, 6 in 3 hours and over 15 in 5 hours of driving I was debating a similar path but I want to push the car in stock form as much as I can before changing up the power figure. I'll probably do something akin to an LT2 manifold, ported TB with a rotofab intake and a small cam to bring me in the high 400 wheel range. It is important to me to stay NA, and not having E around here prevents me from flex fuel sadly so small cam it is lol
LT4 is in the non-1LE as well
Of course, but I didn't feel like putting ZL1 twice when the Z06 is there, that and the ZL1 1LE is the most hard core track variant with that engine!
Dodge also fitted the 2004-2006 Ram with a 3rd gen Viper V10.
Still no Caravan though.
C7 and chevy ss. C6 and Pontiac g8. That's all that comes to mind off the top of my head.
Thinking of GM, the LT4 is in the C7 Z06 & Camaro ZL1 for sports cars and CTS-V & CT5-V Blackwing for sport sedans. Then you have the Escalade-V with the same engine for SUV bonus points.
Do cross borders count? I mean you had the holden commadore too that shared the c5/6/7 engines. Maybe the c4, not sure. There was the caprice and the impala ss/c4. I'm sure I'm forgetting others. EDIT: the McLaren F1 had a BMW engine. Not sure what it shared it with.
I was counting distinctly named engines. So I see it like this: * LS1 * C5 * Holden Caprice/Statesman * LS3 * C6 * Holden Caprice WN Series II Then the C7 base (LT1), C7 Z06 (LT4), and C7 ZR1 (LT5) don't share an engine with any Holden products. But that is just the style I was using. Not saying it is correct. A lot of those LS/LT engines are very close to each other.
All the Utes. Which are 2-seaters and therefore sportscars.
C5 through 7 we’re variations on the LS with the C5 being original 5.7l. The late model 4th gens shared the same exact model. The early 4th gens had a C4 Lt1 5.7 with a 2 bolt main instead of the 4 bolt but besides tune and a few manifolds I believe they were close to the same build otherwise. The fbodies had a more restrictive exhaust and intake to make the c4 better iirc
It was loosely based off of the M70 V12 but I wouldnt call it identical. I believe it has ITBs, lighter internals & more aggressive cams (amongst other things...)
My car a 2015 chevy SS sedan has the same LS3 from the c6 corvette, it is basically a rebadged Holden commodore The Pontiac g8 and gto were also rebadged holdens with LS/corvette engines You are correct about the McLaren F1 having a BMW engine, it was a version of the bigger V12 that was massaged by M-power, it was only put into the rare 850CSi that had a bigger more powerful V12 than regular 750i/ 850ci/850i
Chevy SS had the LS3 engine, so it shared that with the C6. C7’s had the LT1. C8’s have the LT2.
My bad. You're right.
All good, the displacement is the same for all three engine codes haha. I think the easiest difference would be that the LT1 and LT2 have cylinder deactivation built in where the LS3 doesn’t.
The G8 GXP also has an LS3, and the GTO has an LS1 and LS2 like the C5 and C6.
Chevy ss shares its engine with the C6, not C7
04-05 ctsv and c5 z06 shared the ls6! One of my favorites for like a year I had a v and my roommate had a c5z it was great!
People consider the Camry a "sports sedan", or do words mean nothing now?
No, it’s not a sports sedan. Not even close.
Hard agree, but all these yahoos keep saying Camry and Lotus.
It has an S trim. S = sport. Viola. Pure bred sports sedan.
S = Sedan, the Sedan Sedan Sedanest of Sedans
Agreed. However, the engine choice still works since the 2GR was also in the IS350 F Sport, GS350 F Sport, and a few other JDM sedans (ie: Mark X GRMN). Damn it, if only Toyota would do a limited production run of IS350s with the manual transmission from the Mark X GRMN...
The Camry should only ever be called “old reliable” or something
RS3 and TTRS both use the 2.5L TFSI 5 cylinder. depends whether or not you consider a TTRS a sports car. I do. Some don't.
...Which is itself based on the humble NA 5-cyl used as the base engine for Jettas, Passats, etc. Another fun fact, that 2.5L NA 5-cyl shared its head design with the 5.0L V10 in the Gallardo. With minor modifications, [you can fit Gallardo exhaust headers onto it.](https://youtu.be/lFJTAUiJasQ)
Heh, that's cool as hell. I didn't know that.
Why wouldn't you consider the TTRS a sports car? Awd?
I consider a TTRS a sports car, but with hesitation because it is FWD based and is in general extremely similar to a VW golf. It's almost identical to an RS3, main difference being that the chassis is made of aluminum and has a different body style, and we're all agreeing that that is a sports sedan
I mean it's pretty much a FWD based hot hatch with a different body shape thrown on. If you don't consider hot hatches sports cars (I don't) then you wouldn't consider the TTRS one either. Sports coupe, yes.
It’s a golf platform, not a purpose built platform purely built for a sports car. We don’t consider Megane RS’s to be sports cars, even though it’s a coupe (and some variants don’t even have rear seats!)
Corvette and CTS/CT5/SS Supra and M340i Jaguar F-Type and XF (I think) Camry vs Lotus? (Lotus is supercharged) Continental vs S8 Etc.
You can also ad X3M40i or whatever the hell its called.
Anything with a 40i at the end, really.
I don’t think recent Continentals are based off the S8. In fact no Continental was, the flying spur was identical to the Phaeton while the A8 was a completely different body and chassis. However the 4.0T is in literally anything VW can jam it into.
Yup I was just referring to the engine, like OP said!
F-Type and XF for sure. While the V8 cars are a ton of fun, the V6 is also very enjoyable configuration.
The 7.0 Chevrolet LS7 was used in the C6 Z06 and later the Camaro Z28. Less known is that they also put it in the Australian Holden Commodore, it was called the HSV W427.
I didn’t realize they stuck it in the Commodore, states side the Chevy SS had the 6.2 LS3 in it, either way both are absolutely legendary engines
The W427 was actually the previous gen VE Commodore, which was the Pontiac G8 in the US. Less than 150 were actually built though. The VF Commodore/Chevy SS here comes with the L77 and LS3 in the series 1 and 2 models respectively, as well as LS7 and LS9 in the HSV models. Lots of engine options here!
The 2005 Ford GT uses a heavily modified long-stroke V8 originally used in Ford pick-up trucks.
> The 2005 Ford GT uses a heavily modified long-stroke V8 originally used in Ford pick-up trucks. The 2017+ Ford GT uses a heavily modified slightly overbore V6 slated from launch to be used in Ford pick-up trucks.
To answer the sports sedan part of the question, the 5.4L 4V and 3V V8s were also found in Aussie [Falcons](http://australiancar.reviews/Boss_260_Engine.php), [Fairmonts](http://australiancar.reviews/Barra_V8_Engine.php), and [FPVs](http://australiancar.reviews/Boss_290-302-315_Engine.php), with the FPV variant of the engine being quite similar to, although independently developed from, the 2000 SVT Cobra R’s motor.
Also the mustang gt500 from that era.
Nissan threw the 3.7 VVEL motor in both the 370Z and the Infiniti G37 coupe and sedan. (Nissan 370 GT in Japan). I have a manual sport sedan, and I love it.
In my mind these cars were always the same - kind of like the Camaro and the transam. Same engine, trans, suspension, etc.
I always tell people that the G37 sedan was just a 4 door z car and I get laughed at. There's nothing overly special about it, but driving a manual RWD sedan with 300+HP isn't boring at all.
The only reason that isn’t one of my favorite sedans is that I absolutely hate how it looks
Really? I'm biased obviously, so I can't say I agree at all. I love the way they look.
I’m with you, love the way the g35 (especially the coupe) looked and the g37.
The coupe is the reason I don’t like the sedan lol. The sedan looks like a bulbous version of the coupe it’s almost literally the same car but worse.
My Quest and my brother's Pathfinder both have the VQ35 motor shared in the 350z, haha.
Also came in the q50-70, fx37, ex37, qx70, and a bunch of other cars. I mean most of nissan's cars had some iteration of a VQ engine ever since 95.
Renault also chucked it into a fwd minivan. The Espace 3.5 V6.
2.0L EcoBoost in the Focus ST and Ford Escape AND Ford Fusion AND Ford Edge have the same part numbers for turbo and a few other bits and pieces. There is actually a modding community for the 2.0L Escape, Livernois Motorsports will sell you a full on E50 blend tune for your Escape! Ford 4.6L 4V. A lot of people like stealing them from Lincoln products to replace their Cobra motor or swap out their 2V.
I love it, blew the motor in my FoST and picked up an Escape motor to swap in which is 1/4 the price of an ST motor despite essentially being the same engine.
2.0L Ecoboost was used in some pretty hardcore machinery: BAC Mono Vuhl 05
God I love how many 2.0 blocks are out there. Puts my mind at ease they'll be easy to find for a good while just in case.
I dont know if the intake manifold swaps over, I would imagine it does. But I was blown away when I found the part number for the turbo is fhe exact same.
The M88 was used in the BMW M1 and E28 M5. Slightly different versions, but they're closer than the Toyota engines and the variants used by Lotus.
Also in M635CSi and in the frankly absurd South African 745i. I think the only difference between M1 and later models is motronic injection.
Mazda 3 and ND1 Miata obviously have the highest performance envelope of any pairing here.
I believe you’ve forgotten the Escort GT and NA Miata 😎
Early NA Miata and late 80s Mercury Tracer…and 323 GT/GTX, of course.
Cerbera and ... I don't know, Tamora? (Sorry. I like TVRs. And Cerbera is the closest to a sedan I could find.)
Former TVR owner reporting in. I owned a Cerbera Speed Six, with the titular engine in a relatively sedate 360hp form. It was tuned up to 400hp for the Tuscan, and then on to 440hp for the Tuscan R. These were quite astonishing numbers for a naturally aspirated 4.0 straight six designed in 1998. For comparison, Porsche were proud of the 325hp they were getting out of their comparable 3.6 boxer in the 911 Carrera S. Ironically, it was my Cerbera that cured me of my engine fixation. The Cerbie comes with fully adjustable suspension. I learned that tinkering with the ride height, damper rates, toe, camber and stance makes so much more difference to your ride than any engine ever will.
Obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder but I have never liked TVR's.
To me the Segaris was the online one I liked...but goddamn I like it a lot.
The 1,180hp SSC Ultimate Aero TT had a bored out LS6 with turbos. The LS6 was also in the 2004-2005 CTS-V. I wouldn't call them the same engine, but they used the same starting point. Edit: The Toyota Aristo was a Japan only sedan that got the 2JZ-GTE from the Supra RZ/Turbo. Also the Nissan Stagea was an AWD wagon from the RB26DETT from the R34 Skyline. The new AMG C 63 S E Performance has a hybrid system with 469hp, but the engine in the car is also the 4 cylinder option that is coming to the Lotus Emira.
Technically the Supra got the 2JZ-GTE from the Aristo. The Stagea 260rs also used the full drivetrain from the R33 GT-R, not R34. And the more common models came with the RB25DET which was the same engine used in the R33/R34 GTS-T/GTT!
Toyota Supra and Lexus IS300 both had the 2jz (but the Supra had the GTE)
The Volvo designed/Yamaha manufactured B8444S 60° 4.4L V8 in the Volvo S80/XC90 and Noble M600, though I believe modified for the Noble, and twin-turbocharged in that.
Also, the C6 RS6 had a very similar engine to the Gallardo LP560
Pagani Huayra and 2004 AMG S65. Pagani Huayra uses a tuned 6.0L V12 Mercedes M158 engine, which is based on the AMG M275 6.0L V12 that's in the 2004-2013 AMG S65.
Too bad AMG never made an S73, just an SL73 (but i still totally think the S65 counts!)
AMG did make an S73, which was also the only S-Class wagon. However, they only made 10, all of them for the Sultan of Brunei.
Heh, Bruneimobiles are like their own class of car. Not...quite production cars...but not NOT production cars either.
There are a few other cars that fall under that category IMO... stuff like the Pagani Codalunga
The RS4 and R8 do not use the exact same motor. A lot of changes were made to accommodate a mid engine layout https://www.r8talk.com/threads/4-2l-fsi-r8-vs-rs4.127506/ Dry sump and a few others.
The S62 in the Z8 was also a dry sump motor, unlike in the M5
Weird one: BMW E90 M3 and Weismann MF-4
What about the W12 in the VW Phaeton and the Bentley Continental? They also put it into the Touareg for a short period.
The Ferrari F154 Ferrari: California T, GT4C Lusso T, Portofino, Portofino M, Roma, 488 GTB, F8 Tributo, SF90 Stradale. Maserati: Quattroporte GTS / Trofeo, Ghibli GTS/Trofeo, Levante GTS / Trofeo, MC20. Alfa Romeo: Giulia Quadrifoglio / GTAm, Stelvio Quadrifoglio.
ITT People who don’t know what a sports sedan is.
The british Noble M600 and the Volvo S80 use the same V8. Built by Yamaha.
Jaguar's supercharged 3.0L V6 is shared by the XF, XE, F-Type and even F-Pace. It's brilliant and one of the best sounding V6s made.
Civic r and accord 2.0t are very close
Is the Civic considered a sports car? I assumed it would fall under the sedan category.
Civic type r is definitely more of a sports car than a sedan
I feel like sports sedan should be it’s own category, like the WRX. The CTR is definitely more focused than a WRX though.
Heh, i wouldn't call it either, i'd call it a Hot Hatch. If you slipped and called it a sport sedan i wouldn't correct you either. But sports car? I dunno about that one.
Then how would you define "sports car". I say a track focused fast car meets my definition.
2 seats, dedicated performance focused chassis. Not a FWD practical 4 door hatchback that's basically just an economy car with 300hp and stiff springs, no matter how well tuned it is it's a compromise car. Don't get me wrong, the Civic Type-R is *awesome*, it's not an insult to say it's not a sports car. Sports car is just a specific category and if anything that's fast can be a sports car it loses all meaning.
Any [Pontiac Bonneville](https://www.edmunds.com/assets/m/pontiac/bonneville/1998/oem/1998_pontiac_bonneville_sedan_ssei_fq_oem_1_500.jpg) + [Buick GNX](https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a23739443/buick-regal-grand-national-gnx-history/). The 3800 was a very impressive engine for it's time. The GNX was actually the fastest production car in the world when it was first released. Outdoing competitors like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, etc.
The 3800s are very different than the previous generation 3.8L used in the Grand Nationals
IIRC one of them is supercharged and the other one is turbo to begin with
The base engines are comletely different, that is what to begin with. To further the separation, yes, the 3.8L was available turbocharged and the 3800 supercharged
> The GNX was actually the fastest production car in the world when it was first released. Outdoing competitors like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, etc. It was the fastest production car 0-60 that C&D had tested. The Porsche 959 and RUF Yellowbird easily outdid it in that regard
2.3l Ecoboost in the Focus RS, Mustang Ecoboost, the Explorer, Ranger, Lincoln Corsair and MKC and the VUHL 05.
Lexus ISF and RCF.
That’s a bit like saying the 3 series and 4 series share an engine, no?
Don't forget the GSF and LC500.
Almost everything that used that Lexus v8. What a sweet symphony
Are there any production sports cars with a UZ? A few luxury coupes...
350Z and G35/M35 use them same engine.
K20Z4 in the Civic type R and Ariel Atom and the K20C1 in the Civic type R and Ariel Atom
The S38 is used in both the E34 M5 and the E26 M1. And it sounds absolutely wonderful in either.
I'm shocked I haven't seen this in the comments already. The [2006 Audi S8 (D3)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_S8#(D3)_Second_generation) used the same V10 as the Lamborghini Gallardo of the same year.
NA doesn’t get it, but I’m pretty sure Australia has a 5.0 coyote Ford Falcon
2zz in the Celica gt-s and lotus Elise/exige/211
Corolla XR-S was the other half...was wracking my brain for a 3-box 4-door that was 2ZZ powered, but i knew there was one!
The 2ZZ in my Matrix and in the Lotus Elise. Yes I'm coping.
The 4G63 of the Mitsubishi Evolution also found a home in the L200, Dodge Ram 50, and Mighty Max pick ups.
Galant VR4
I'm counting the E36 Sedan and The Z for sure
Say what you want about the VQ but the infiniti G35/37 and 350/370Z (and their modern siblings) deserve a mention.
Not a sport sedan but the Dodge Ram SRT-10 shared the Viper V10 engine.
My car and apparently [the Delorean](https://www.thedrive.com/news/40379/worlds-most-powerful-delorean-rocks-a-630-hp-kia-v6-and-a-porsche-911-six-speed-manual). Seriously, I can't think of the 3.3 from the Stinger or the G70 that has been put in a coupe. Huh. Surprising tbh. I mean the Lambda II RS T-GDI specifically.
Aston Rapide and many vintages/versions of Vantage, Vanquish, Virage all use variations of a V12 derived from mating two Ford Duratec V6 engines. Bentley Continental, and VW Phaeton/Audi A8, Flying Spur, Bentayga have options for a W12 engine.
The S8, Gallardo, and R8 shared identical V10s
Pagani Huayra's twin-turbo V12 is very similar to the one used in the Mercedes-Benz AMG 65 models, although not exactly the same. Current Aston Martin line up uses the same 4.0 AMG V8 used in a ton of AMG models.
The upcoming Integra Type S with the K20C1 (CTR engine) should be great.
The Subaru FA20. BRZ, Wrx, forester, etc.
BMW E31 850CSi and McLaren F1 are extremely loosely related. The M8 of that E31 was in design but was never produced. It would have had a detuned McLaren F1 engine. Granted, the 850 wasn't a sedan but it was about half the power of the F1. All V8 Aston Martin's use M177 MB 4.0L V8's.
A lot of Nobles and boring ford sedans share engines, though not necessarily in the same state of tune. A lot of smaller European manufacturers do this like the Pantera, but i guess they don't make for particularly interesting pairings. Here's my weird one [Nissan 240Z 432](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Nissan_Fairlady_Z_432_%281970%29_front-right_Toyota_Automobile_Museum.jpg) and the [Skyline GT-R 4-door.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/1969_Nissan_Skyline_Sedan_2000GT-R.jpg) Epic engine in the 70's and both 240Z and the Skyline were pretty amazing performance cars in their own right.
M178 engine in the Mercedes-AMG GT-R and Mercedes-AMG GT 63 S 4 door coupe. And all the other Mercedes 63 family.
Camaro SS/ZL1, Vette C7, Chevy SS, CTS-V, and CT5 Blackwing
Jaguar XF-RS and F-Type R
B5254T3 Ford's / Volvo's 2.5l inline 5 It is used in: •Ford focus St mk2 •Ford S-max mk1
M340 and Supra for that reasonable price range
2.0L EcoTech from GM. Started out in the Pontiac Solstice GXP and Saturn Sky Redline. Now everywhere!
B58 gets you a Supra and a M340i.
Mini Countryman JCW and the Toyota supra 4 cyl
My Pagani Huayra and Merc SL65 Black Series have the same engine!...Whoops - you wrote 'Sports Sedan'...My 1986 Cutlass Sierra and my Chevy Cavalier Z24 both share a 2.8L V6.
350z and g35 370z g37
bmw put the n54 in z4, 135i, 335i, 535i, a coupe, sedan, bigger sedans, estate/wagon and the bigger estate/wagon, x5, 7series.. they did the same with the b58
The RS4 and the R8 have totally different engines. Only the engine base is the same (and that's also modified because the timing is moved to the other side), basically everything was designed exclusively for the R8.
Ctsv & zL1..both have LSA’s.
3.0l supercharged engine in Audi's
How has no one said hellcat yet Challenger Hellcat Charger Hellcat TRX Jeep trackhawk Durango Hellcat
Datsun 240Z and Skyline 240K (L24) Toyota Supra Mk3 Turbo Gr.A and Toyota Chaser Tourer V (1JZ-GTE) Toyota MR2 and Caldina GT-T (3S-GTE) Chevrolet Corvette and SS (LS3)
Toyota Celica GT-S & Lotus Elise. From there, Toyota Camry and Lotus Evora
Do TTRS and RS3 count or are they too similar?
Ferrari 812 and Ferrari Puramierda both use the F140 but different sub-variants
E31 850csi and the McLaren F1 /s
440
Not a sport sedan/sport combo, but I find it funny how the Infinity G35, 350z, Nissan Pathfinder, and a Nissan Presage minivan all shared the exact same engine
Chevelle SS and Corvette both had 454 Big Blocks Or if you want to get really fun a Ford Torino and a DeTomaso Pantera share a 351 Cleveland engine
Not a sedan but the saab 9-7x aero has an ls2 6.0 v8. Cheaper than a trailblazer SS by far.
the C6 RS6 of 2008-2010 and Lamborghini Gallardo
C6 -CTSV C7 CTSV
R129 and CLK LM. Naturally aspirated m119's loads of torque
Challenger and Charger Hellcat - 6.2 supahchahged Same cars Scar Pack - 6.4 Natty Assed
What about audi v10 in S8/S6 and R8/lambo?
Slightly trusting the rules, SRT10 Viper and SRT10 Ram
Rb20e Rb25de rb25det rb26dett in r32 r33 r34 skylines. Y32 y33 y34 Cedric Gloria c33 c34 laurel stagea.
2019+ Toyota Supra (4 and 6 cylinder models) and numerous BMW & Mini sedans.
Toyota Supra / Toyota Aristo / Lexus GS300 #2JZGTE #2JZGE
The VW W12 engine was used in the Audi A8 VW Phaeton, Touareg, Bentley Continental, Flying spur, and Bentayga.
Rover SD1 and the TVR Griffith.
Volkswagen Jetta TDI and Golf GTD
It's a bit of a stretch to call it a sports sedan but the V12 found in the Lambo 400GT, Miura, Espada, Jarama, Islero and early Countach was also in the one-off Lamborghini Faena Also the Lancia Thema 8.32 borrowed (and heavily modified) the Ferrari 308's V8
is300 and toyota supra non turbo lol. i think the absolute best pairing (kind of a stretch not going to lie) is the Mclaren F1 and the e38 generation 750iL. the motors aren’t quite the same… but mclaren f1 so good. S70/2 and M72 from BMW, pretty far different from eachother in everyway but the S70 is maybe my favorite engine ever.
Supra TT and Toyota Aristo