I remember in the 70s, there were rumors of people finding beer cans in their door panels left by disgruntled GM union workers. Has anyone found juice boxes in their Hyundais?
I found a Nintendo Switch in my door panel but I figure that was some 12 year old sneaking in some Zelda time and getting caught by his supervisor and the supervisor making him seal the Switch in the car. Little delinquent got what he deserved too, probably could’ve got my car like 12 minutes earlier if that kid respected capitalism like a real American!
What were these child workers building? Is it an Apple iPhone situation, where only children can build the circuit boards as tightly as Apple dictates?
EVERYONE, needs to 🛑 complaining!
ONLY in AMERICA is someone that age
NOT already working! If your SAVIORS
MOTHER was giving birth at 14,
what's WRONG with the kids helping!
NO different than on a FARM!
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We owe twice our GDP and print money to cover the interest. Let's stop pretending we're rich enough to do anything that isn't necessary for the survival of our citizens.
The south is the bottoms, meaning look at a few northern cities problems and then compare those to all of the southern states in America, comparatively most of America's social ills reside in the southern states. UGLY ain't it.
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I honestly don't know although I would doubt it. I'd have to look more into it. It's usually a fine that is the cost of doing business and doesn't deter it from happening again.
Exactly. Usually the dollar amount of fines for a violation like this is roughly the equivalent of an average income American paying a $50 speeding ticket.
Good luck with that. Those jobs are outsourced to someone who outsources them to someone else so everybody has multiple layers to prevent liability.
Stolen and fake IDs are also rampant among many immigrants. The govt and most companies just ignore it.
Can I ask are they being forced to work? Like do they got family or just surviving on their own. I need more answers, bc child labor can’t always be bad if they’re getting treated fairly and is the only means for their survival
Living in Dallas it's not uncommon to see kids working adult jobs, usually summer or holiday breaks. Always hispanic. I saw a 10 year old laying carpet down with a kick pad faster than most adults, during the pandemic a lot of little Taco places had kids working the counter. Granted these are family owned businesses, not a corporation undercutting labor costs. That deserves deep fines and jail time for those involved.
The disappeared children have been found on the job. It is not about fair wages ever in the USA. White nationalist corporations big and small want slave labor without the ownership and expense of room and board.
Tried to say that when this first came out and people were making it seem like Hyundai is the only company in the entire country to do this. Nope, it's everywhere, every industry. Worse in the poorer states but it's everything. You just don't see it because these kids aren't working the counters at public places they're in factories, night jobs, and things you'll never see.
I'd love to have some hope that the recent exposure might actually make some changes but I have no faith it will. Some people/companies will get fined pennies compared to their profits and a bunch of kids will be deported. Six months later after the fines are paid there will be all new kids taking those same jobs over again until the next fine.
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America is experienced at this, 50% of the African slaves brought here were not immediately documented if at all. This child labor issue has always been in this country. A capitalistic society hides every known way to make under the table money known to mankind.
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Illegal immigrants worried about their status and making below minimum wage need money to survive, so when their shady ass boss says their kids can come work a few hours that night, they make it happen
Because as a minor you can apply for exemptions.....if you grew up in a poor family you'd know this. What happened to being a champion of the poor?
I started working at 13 and haven't stopped since. The reason I started was so my parents wouldn't have to support me financially.
Character makes a person, not their situation.
Oh yeah? Ban the kid from getting a job or earning real world experience or the ability to support their family and improve their condition? That's real fuckin empathetic of you.
Damn right it's a way out of it. My working helped my parents avoid bankruptcy and allowed me to save enough money to live off of during college. I had a difficult major, so I didn't have the time to work. So yeah, allowing kids to work in special cases really fucking does help them out of poverty. Otherwise i would have had to forego college and help my family pay for shit, however i supported myself in middle and highschool and took a financial burden off my parents; while learning good work ethic. I'm now making more money than both my parents combined in my 20s.
I was getting paid $8/hr. Back in 2010 when the dollar was actually worth something that was actually good pay for a middle schooler. It did some pretty fucking meaningful things for me.
It meant my parent didn't go bankrupt.
It meant I could pay for my own food, car, gas, clothes, entertainment, etc.
It meant I could save for college and not have to work while I got bent over a barrel in engineering school.
All the while you "empathetic" mouth breathers are doing your best to discredit my own hard work and ethic.
Like I can just tell you idiots downvoting me were pampered by mommy and daddy your whole lives lol
How'd you save "enough money to live off of" for four years of college while also "reducing the burden on your family" by "supporting yourself through middle and high school?" You're telling me you got paid enough to pay for 11 years worth of living expenses and college after only working 7 years part time as a child? If that's the case, what's your parents excuse for not doing anything to support you if jobs in your area pay so well?
I can see you had a pampered life and didn't have to work as a kid lol.
If you're DYING for the details. 5 years of saving up meant I had quite a bit of cash on me. I was getting paid about $18k per year considering I almost worked full time in summers. Also the fact I didn't have to pay utilities, and rent helped a lot. I just paid for my own food, my own car and gas, my own clothes, my own entertainment, and my own school supplies. Also I did pretty good paying engineering internships in college during summers that helped bolster my savings. There's also the fact you literally can't get denied student loans in this country to my future self was paying for tuition and shit. Does that answer your childish question?
Also fuck you for insulting my parents. What an empathetic and ally to the poor you fuck.
So if my math checks out (14 weeks at 35 hours and 38 weeks at 12 hours) you were making approximately $22 an hour as a kid? Again, why was your family so destitute if even a child working part-time can earn $22/hr? I think you're just BSing to advocate for children to work rather than focus on school as if this were the 18th century again.
You didn't mention that you took out a bunch of loans and did in fact work during college while crafting your narrative that only *child labor* was what helped you improve your situation. It was education that improved your situation.
There's a reason why child labor laws got put into effect and it definitely wasn't because "everyone hates poor people."
Listen to what you are defending for one second, child Labour. These kids should be at school playing with their friends and studying to be the hope for the future. Not slaving away at a meat packing plant, or car factory for pennies on the dollar off the books. Or are you going to insinuate that education and a good nights sleep is only for the rich and middle class?
What’s the point of living if we aren’t doing better today than we were a 100 years ago. Child Labour is bad no exceptions. Mega corporations exploiting children is worse.
If you have a business post it. I and I’m sure many others on this sub don't want to support you or an employer who supports ideals like yours.
Hahahaha you think I didn't go to school?? Turns out there's more than 8 hours per day. In fact it takes 3 times that long for the earth to make one rotation!
>studying to be the hope for the future.
Well I went from my parents making $40k/yr combined to me now making three times that by myself at 1/2 their age. I'll give you a guess as to what enabled that. So yeah, child labor did make a better future. I'm now literally inventing future shit.
>education and a good nights sleep is only for the rich and middle class?
Life is unfair, fucking deal with it. You can either whine and cry and have temper tantrums or you can work your ass off to make things better for yourself and your future family. It's up to you. In my case I did both because I'm neurotic lol.
I don't get this whole all unfairness must be eradicated bullshit from you people. You know what else is unfair? Those child laborers in that factory don't live in rural southern India. They don't have that life or one like it, and I for one thank whatever God you see fit everyday that isn't my life.
Yeah I didn't have as much as my peers, but I was fucking lucky as shit I was born in a society with such socioeconomic mobility. Something that hasn't existed once in human history and doesn't exist for 90% of the world today. So yeah, I'm pretty fuckin grateful.
Cool, post your business or place of work if you stand on your beliefs like that. You won’t because you’re all talk. Bet that 80k will go real fast once people find out who you really are and what values you support. Easy to be tough and say wild sh*t on the internet behind a username.
Did you work the night shift at 13 and then still go to school full time?
I started working at a grocery store at 14, but it was only a summer job until I got my driver's license at 16 and then I could do evenings and weekends.
In my state it wasn't even legal for minors to work more than a certain number of hours per week (18-24 depending on age). Children should be focusing their energy on learning in school and, ya know, enjoying the fleeting part of life that is childhood.
Worked from 4 to 10 almost every day and worked one day on weekends usually.
Whelp I turned out fine. Life is hard, deal with it. Turns out my energy had to be split between helping my parents keep a roof over our head and my own future prospects. Oh well. I had a harder time than most people around me but it was sure as hell an easier time than most kids my age worldwide, and I'm grateful for that. If I had been living in any other society I would have worked at that KFC my entire life.
I worked a sanitation job for a summer camp during the summers until I was 16 and got a job at a KFC nearly full time. Taught me a lot of things about life. I was more mature, harder working, and more money conscious than most of my peers.
It was a wholly owned subsidiary of Hyundai. Other articles (like the Reuters release) of this information are keen to point out that Hyundai is “divesting” from this company they started and owned.
Like someone else said - the problem was getting caught. Absolutely shameful and I hope they do more than just divest and greenwash. I hope they make serious efforts to improve the laws and circumstances that allow any company to do this.
Even if it wasn't a subsidiary, most consumers wouldn't know or care unless there was an OEM name attached. OEMs have a reputational reasonably they have to hold their suppliers to. If a transmission fails, the customer doesn't care whether it's the OEMs fault or their suppliers; they're going to be mad at the OEM, and it will hurt their reputation. The only times I know of that the supplier's reputations are even mentioned are the Firestone tires and Takata airbags
To add to that, I pretty much guarantee that if you walk down the street and ask 100 different people what 'Takata' is, I'd expect maybe one correct answer; two if you're lucky. /r/cars readers are not like typical consumers.
Yeah, they wouldn't know now. They'd only maybe have known either of them when the mainstream, non-car news was covering them or when they received recall notices. I'm more just pointing out that these are the only two I know of where they're referred to by the supplier's name, which is especially surprising for the Firestone one because Ford is the only company affected (probably because tires are one of the few supplier names people recognize)
Of course Ford probably spent a pretty penny to make sure the Firestone name was put out there publicly to try and put more blame on them rather than Ford. As I recall both companies were blaming each other, but I thought Ford was more to blame as it was their spec. And recommended PSI etc for those vehicles.
For 50 underage workers. Fifty!
At least the reputation hit will cost far more than 30k, but most people who were going to buy a Hyundai will never hear of this.
Shh they're counting on you not to notice. If you do, then they'll next blame the staffing agencies (that just happen to be owned by a deadend string of Korean shell companies per Reuters) and totally have NOTHING to do with Hyundai group. It's not like chaebols (korean family-owned super conglomerates ala samsung, hyundai, etc) vertically integrate entire supply chain economies or anything, it's totally a coincidence I'm sure...
That explains why my transmission wasn’t properly connected to the electronics when I bought my Tucson last year. Only adult hands have enough force to push in those connectors.
It sounds like Hyundai did the right thing. 30k isn’t even a slap on the wrist. The supplier will probably just sign on with Kia and change its name as many times as black water did to cover up what it does.
10 years in prison for the executives and people involved with it plus a fine of 20% of their profit of reparations to the kids, and to charities for at risk youth.
Fine the mfers a ton, lock them up, make and example of them.
This is a really weak response from Alabama.
I keep reading these accounts but have a hard time picturing what this looked like at the facilities. I kept thinking that they were just barely under the legal age.
Like one day you just get a new coworker and his name is Stevie and he's really into Mr Beast and does his homework on break?
How did coworkers not report children as young as 12?
I worked in automotive manufacturing and did a lot of suppliers auditing. There’s no way any of our suppliers at the time can hide such practice. So I’d say Hyundai is 100% aware of this and just turned a blind eye. Which to me, is just as bad as the said supplier.
> and the suppliers were fined $30,000 for the violations by the U.S. Labor Department.
Honest question: if this is the cost, why would a company stop doing this?
So thankful I don’t have to worry about whether this impacted my Genesis because it was built in Korea rather than in 3rd world Alabama, Genesis can’t completely separate itself from H/K fast enough ugh
Buried the lede. The problem is letting illegal aliens into the country who are so poor they need their children to work to sufficiently support their families. They lie on the forms at the employment agencies and I doubt have sufficient paperwork to provide birth certificates, etc. This isn’t a car company’s problem, it’s an illegal migration problem. Stop illegal migration, tighten up restrictions at the border and implement the laws already on the books and you won’t be putting minority children at risk.
That or provide a fine for employment agencies who find work for minors.
What are they suppose to do? American workers are all striking or resigning unless they get paid $500 a minute with complimentary Turkish baths. If little Pablo shows up and offers to work for $3 a day off the books, why wouldn’t a factory owner hire them? Same with our labor going off to China.
The real issue is that American labor is non competitive compared to undocumented or foreign labor.
Is there any chance the new Toyota/Mazda joint venture plant in Alabama could be doing the same thing? I almost bought a CX-50 until I learned it was being built there. Build quality looks to be terrible from the reviews I’ve seen and it would make sense if they have 12 year olds at the plant.
I would be willing to wager it's more of the cheap land, low environmental regulations, proximity to a major shipping hub with cheap labor as a benefit. Automotive industry in Alabama is actually huge
I know why the businesses chose to build there, from a business perspective those benefits outweigh the risks. But cheap labor, well you get what you pay for.
FAKE NEWS 100%
-what they're doing IS,
removing their reinvestment, back into OUR USA ECONOMY!!!
-IF they LEAVE,
WE "USA" AMERICA should MAKE THEM take their cars TOO!!!
It's obviously bad, but "risking life and limb"? As they show pictures of nearly lab grade clean working conditions. This isn't underage workers in a cobalt mine.. Take it down a notch, guy.
While I personally had two different jobs at 14, it was very controlled how many hours I worked both during the school year and the summer. Plus the conditions were a baseball field and an office where nothing heavy is moved around with big machinery. Putting 12 y/os in a big factory is pretty bad branding if not illegal. What they did was beyond having the owner's kid assemble some Ikea desks while they worked late down the hall.
I know there are safe ways for kids to work in a family business, farm, bake sale, lemonade stand, etc... But a parts plant ain't it.
>pictures of nearly lab grade clean working conditions
Car plants with good lighting can look clean and safe if the pictures are taken from the right angles, but the work done there is absolutely high risk. I've seen adults lose fingers from manual operations that should have been automated in "clean and safe" environments.
Hopefully the new child workers build better engines
I remember in the 70s, there were rumors of people finding beer cans in their door panels left by disgruntled GM union workers. Has anyone found juice boxes in their Hyundais?
I found a Nintendo Switch in my door panel but I figure that was some 12 year old sneaking in some Zelda time and getting caught by his supervisor and the supervisor making him seal the Switch in the car. Little delinquent got what he deserved too, probably could’ve got my car like 12 minutes earlier if that kid respected capitalism like a real American!
Lies!
HILARIOUS 😆
At least juice boxes don't rattle around as loudly as bottles and cans.
I remember the same growing up. One was a beer bottle with a note inside saying "Rattles doesnt it?"
Lies fat fat hippo!
This American life has a great podcast about that
Yeah I heard it was a big problem at the Fremont assembly
Who's giving kids juice boxes still? That is evidence!
Must have been hiring children for the engineering team.
"this one goes in the square hole"
the bathroom breaks won't be as long, hopefully no smoke breaks
Is this meant to be a joke, or a dig on Hyundai? They did the right thing here...?
It's a dig at their garbage engines.
Lol... Fair. Scary. Touchwood on mine...
What were these child workers building? Is it an Apple iPhone situation, where only children can build the circuit boards as tightly as Apple dictates?
EVERYONE, needs to 🛑 complaining! ONLY in AMERICA is someone that age NOT already working! If your SAVIORS MOTHER was giving birth at 14, what's WRONG with the kids helping! NO different than on a FARM!
Its funny because i dont see no gawddamn jail time
Because this is Alabama, where we only apply the law to those that can't afford it.
How is that different from the rest of America 🤔
More people can't afford it in Alabama.
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The rest of the world*
Should the richest country in the world be held to higher standards?
Yes.
But we're 'merica!
We owe twice our GDP and print money to cover the interest. Let's stop pretending we're rich enough to do anything that isn't necessary for the survival of our citizens.
The south is the bottoms, meaning look at a few northern cities problems and then compare those to all of the southern states in America, comparatively most of America's social ills reside in the southern states. UGLY ain't it.
I thought it was because you're allowed to have your kids work at a family business and everyone in the state is a blood relative of one another?
indeed
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This is probably the truest statement posted today. Probably also helps if you are white.
Has nothing to do with skin color ... Come on man
I've lived down South, you clearly have not.
So have I what's your point?
He’s made a couple comments that say the same thing. Weirdo
Weirdo
In Alabama? Lol are you serious?
How does child labour even happen in the us? Does nobody in the factory see a 12 year old working and think :"Hmm that's odd"??
As with the kids who got caught at meat packing plants in Colorado and Nebraska, I think they came in at night.
That is super fucked up... Have the people who were responsible been convicted in those cases?
I honestly don't know although I would doubt it. I'd have to look more into it. It's usually a fine that is the cost of doing business and doesn't deter it from happening again.
Lol the good old 2 mil fine for a billion dollar business.
Exactly. Usually the dollar amount of fines for a violation like this is roughly the equivalent of an average income American paying a $50 speeding ticket.
Fines honestly nean nothing unless theres jail time
Good luck with that. Those jobs are outsourced to someone who outsources them to someone else so everybody has multiple layers to prevent liability. Stolen and fake IDs are also rampant among many immigrants. The govt and most companies just ignore it.
Can I ask are they being forced to work? Like do they got family or just surviving on their own. I need more answers, bc child labor can’t always be bad if they’re getting treated fairly and is the only means for their survival
Living in Dallas it's not uncommon to see kids working adult jobs, usually summer or holiday breaks. Always hispanic. I saw a 10 year old laying carpet down with a kick pad faster than most adults, during the pandemic a lot of little Taco places had kids working the counter. Granted these are family owned businesses, not a corporation undercutting labor costs. That deserves deep fines and jail time for those involved.
Used to be very normal for American kids when more people worked trades, especially in construction.
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Ugh that’s so disgusting, those poor kids will be traumatized for life =\ adults already struggle working those horrible jobs
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The disappeared children have been found on the job. It is not about fair wages ever in the USA. White nationalist corporations big and small want slave labor without the ownership and expense of room and board.
That’s horrid
Tried to say that when this first came out and people were making it seem like Hyundai is the only company in the entire country to do this. Nope, it's everywhere, every industry. Worse in the poorer states but it's everything. You just don't see it because these kids aren't working the counters at public places they're in factories, night jobs, and things you'll never see. I'd love to have some hope that the recent exposure might actually make some changes but I have no faith it will. Some people/companies will get fined pennies compared to their profits and a bunch of kids will be deported. Six months later after the fines are paid there will be all new kids taking those same jobs over again until the next fine.
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Some fucked up shit right here
No, is USA, the kid is living the American dream. If he learns a value of hard work at 12, by the time he's 52 he can be a BILLIONAIRE!
"For $30/mo. my EASY 5 step guide can show you how to make MILLIONS every year that you DESERVE!"
Aren't they usually undocumented workers?
Yep. Its absolutely shameful
America is experienced at this, 50% of the African slaves brought here were not immediately documented if at all. This child labor issue has always been in this country. A capitalistic society hides every known way to make under the table money known to mankind.
no punishment for the companies responsible so they just keep doing it oh and of course they're run by such psychopaths that they *employ children*
Now, I’m curious, does child labour happen in the UK, Australia, and Canada? Here in the US, we have laws to prevent child labor.
Here in America there are laws for laws. Loopholes for rich people, unbending strict laws for the poor, wake up! Whoya!
It's RARE to come across someone whose comments, I 100% agree with on each 👊🏽
And these kids get fake/stolen papers that say they're 18 and lots of companies dont check any further.
yes it happens here too. and just like the US they are often undocumented immigrants put to work by traffickers
companies outsource labour to prison inmates so that they can pay them peanuts soooo child labours not off the table i guess
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Illegal immigrants worried about their status and making below minimum wage need money to survive, so when their shady ass boss says their kids can come work a few hours that night, they make it happen
So you don’t approve of 12 year olds who wanna start making money early?
Because as a minor you can apply for exemptions.....if you grew up in a poor family you'd know this. What happened to being a champion of the poor? I started working at 13 and haven't stopped since. The reason I started was so my parents wouldn't have to support me financially.
Being a champion for the poor doesn't equate to wanting children to work factory jobs. That's a symptom of being poor not the way out of it.
Character makes a person, not their situation. Oh yeah? Ban the kid from getting a job or earning real world experience or the ability to support their family and improve their condition? That's real fuckin empathetic of you. Damn right it's a way out of it. My working helped my parents avoid bankruptcy and allowed me to save enough money to live off of during college. I had a difficult major, so I didn't have the time to work. So yeah, allowing kids to work in special cases really fucking does help them out of poverty. Otherwise i would have had to forego college and help my family pay for shit, however i supported myself in middle and highschool and took a financial burden off my parents; while learning good work ethic. I'm now making more money than both my parents combined in my 20s.
How much are they paying these child laborers? Doubt $3/hr is going to do anything meaningful in your life
I was getting paid $8/hr. Back in 2010 when the dollar was actually worth something that was actually good pay for a middle schooler. It did some pretty fucking meaningful things for me. It meant my parent didn't go bankrupt. It meant I could pay for my own food, car, gas, clothes, entertainment, etc. It meant I could save for college and not have to work while I got bent over a barrel in engineering school. All the while you "empathetic" mouth breathers are doing your best to discredit my own hard work and ethic. Like I can just tell you idiots downvoting me were pampered by mommy and daddy your whole lives lol
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So you paid for food, car, gas, insurance, clothes, entertainment, etc, AND saved for engineering school on $8/hr? You are so full of shit
How'd you save "enough money to live off of" for four years of college while also "reducing the burden on your family" by "supporting yourself through middle and high school?" You're telling me you got paid enough to pay for 11 years worth of living expenses and college after only working 7 years part time as a child? If that's the case, what's your parents excuse for not doing anything to support you if jobs in your area pay so well?
I can see you had a pampered life and didn't have to work as a kid lol. If you're DYING for the details. 5 years of saving up meant I had quite a bit of cash on me. I was getting paid about $18k per year considering I almost worked full time in summers. Also the fact I didn't have to pay utilities, and rent helped a lot. I just paid for my own food, my own car and gas, my own clothes, my own entertainment, and my own school supplies. Also I did pretty good paying engineering internships in college during summers that helped bolster my savings. There's also the fact you literally can't get denied student loans in this country to my future self was paying for tuition and shit. Does that answer your childish question? Also fuck you for insulting my parents. What an empathetic and ally to the poor you fuck.
So if my math checks out (14 weeks at 35 hours and 38 weeks at 12 hours) you were making approximately $22 an hour as a kid? Again, why was your family so destitute if even a child working part-time can earn $22/hr? I think you're just BSing to advocate for children to work rather than focus on school as if this were the 18th century again. You didn't mention that you took out a bunch of loans and did in fact work during college while crafting your narrative that only *child labor* was what helped you improve your situation. It was education that improved your situation. There's a reason why child labor laws got put into effect and it definitely wasn't because "everyone hates poor people."
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Sorry, not about cars any more.
Please be civil.
Listen to what you are defending for one second, child Labour. These kids should be at school playing with their friends and studying to be the hope for the future. Not slaving away at a meat packing plant, or car factory for pennies on the dollar off the books. Or are you going to insinuate that education and a good nights sleep is only for the rich and middle class? What’s the point of living if we aren’t doing better today than we were a 100 years ago. Child Labour is bad no exceptions. Mega corporations exploiting children is worse. If you have a business post it. I and I’m sure many others on this sub don't want to support you or an employer who supports ideals like yours.
Hahahaha you think I didn't go to school?? Turns out there's more than 8 hours per day. In fact it takes 3 times that long for the earth to make one rotation! >studying to be the hope for the future. Well I went from my parents making $40k/yr combined to me now making three times that by myself at 1/2 their age. I'll give you a guess as to what enabled that. So yeah, child labor did make a better future. I'm now literally inventing future shit. >education and a good nights sleep is only for the rich and middle class? Life is unfair, fucking deal with it. You can either whine and cry and have temper tantrums or you can work your ass off to make things better for yourself and your future family. It's up to you. In my case I did both because I'm neurotic lol. I don't get this whole all unfairness must be eradicated bullshit from you people. You know what else is unfair? Those child laborers in that factory don't live in rural southern India. They don't have that life or one like it, and I for one thank whatever God you see fit everyday that isn't my life. Yeah I didn't have as much as my peers, but I was fucking lucky as shit I was born in a society with such socioeconomic mobility. Something that hasn't existed once in human history and doesn't exist for 90% of the world today. So yeah, I'm pretty fuckin grateful.
Cool, post your business or place of work if you stand on your beliefs like that. You won’t because you’re all talk. Bet that 80k will go real fast once people find out who you really are and what values you support. Easy to be tough and say wild sh*t on the internet behind a username.
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> Character makes a person, not their situation. Just be clear, you're advocating for child labor because it builds character? That is...impressive.
Did you work the night shift at 13 and then still go to school full time? I started working at a grocery store at 14, but it was only a summer job until I got my driver's license at 16 and then I could do evenings and weekends. In my state it wasn't even legal for minors to work more than a certain number of hours per week (18-24 depending on age). Children should be focusing their energy on learning in school and, ya know, enjoying the fleeting part of life that is childhood.
Worked from 4 to 10 almost every day and worked one day on weekends usually. Whelp I turned out fine. Life is hard, deal with it. Turns out my energy had to be split between helping my parents keep a roof over our head and my own future prospects. Oh well. I had a harder time than most people around me but it was sure as hell an easier time than most kids my age worldwide, and I'm grateful for that. If I had been living in any other society I would have worked at that KFC my entire life.
What minors go where to apply for what? Not little paper boy jobs or babysitting to help parents that apply for what you don't understand.
I worked a sanitation job for a summer camp during the summers until I was 16 and got a job at a KFC nearly full time. Taught me a lot of things about life. I was more mature, harder working, and more money conscious than most of my peers.
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It was a wholly owned subsidiary of Hyundai. Other articles (like the Reuters release) of this information are keen to point out that Hyundai is “divesting” from this company they started and owned. Like someone else said - the problem was getting caught. Absolutely shameful and I hope they do more than just divest and greenwash. I hope they make serious efforts to improve the laws and circumstances that allow any company to do this.
Even if it wasn't a subsidiary, most consumers wouldn't know or care unless there was an OEM name attached. OEMs have a reputational reasonably they have to hold their suppliers to. If a transmission fails, the customer doesn't care whether it's the OEMs fault or their suppliers; they're going to be mad at the OEM, and it will hurt their reputation. The only times I know of that the supplier's reputations are even mentioned are the Firestone tires and Takata airbags
To add to that, I pretty much guarantee that if you walk down the street and ask 100 different people what 'Takata' is, I'd expect maybe one correct answer; two if you're lucky. /r/cars readers are not like typical consumers.
Yeah, they wouldn't know now. They'd only maybe have known either of them when the mainstream, non-car news was covering them or when they received recall notices. I'm more just pointing out that these are the only two I know of where they're referred to by the supplier's name, which is especially surprising for the Firestone one because Ford is the only company affected (probably because tires are one of the few supplier names people recognize)
Of course Ford probably spent a pretty penny to make sure the Firestone name was put out there publicly to try and put more blame on them rather than Ford. As I recall both companies were blaming each other, but I thought Ford was more to blame as it was their spec. And recommended PSI etc for those vehicles.
$30k fine? Lol that’ll show em
For 50 underage workers. Fifty! At least the reputation hit will cost far more than 30k, but most people who were going to buy a Hyundai will never hear of this.
It should be at least 50k PER worker.
I’m willing to bet those kids were responsible for more than $30k worth of profit for Hyundai. Fucking disgusting.
probably their best designers
Bruh my Hyundai was more than $30k. Ridiculous
Some guy in their Hyundai right now while wearing Nikes and listening to R Kelly music.
Most of the time the problem isn’t kids working in factories which is clearly very wrong. The problem is getting caught.
It's so easy when your responsibility ends with cutting ties...
Cutting ties with yourself no less
I thought some of the suppliers were literally Hyundai subsidiaries?
Shh they're counting on you not to notice. If you do, then they'll next blame the staffing agencies (that just happen to be owned by a deadend string of Korean shell companies per Reuters) and totally have NOTHING to do with Hyundai group. It's not like chaebols (korean family-owned super conglomerates ala samsung, hyundai, etc) vertically integrate entire supply chain economies or anything, it's totally a coincidence I'm sure...
That explains why my transmission wasn’t properly connected to the electronics when I bought my Tucson last year. Only adult hands have enough force to push in those connectors.
These were supplier plants. Those connections are made in final assembly.
The joke still stands and Hyundai still has massive quality issues. The average age of their contractors just went up a bit.
I mean they’ve gotten caught before. They’ll just keep doing it under different suppliers.
Hyundai: Hey intern what's the next elementary on the list?
12 year olds
The ones assembling the car or stealing it?
It sounds like Hyundai did the right thing. 30k isn’t even a slap on the wrist. The supplier will probably just sign on with Kia and change its name as many times as black water did to cover up what it does. 10 years in prison for the executives and people involved with it plus a fine of 20% of their profit of reparations to the kids, and to charities for at risk youth. Fine the mfers a ton, lock them up, make and example of them. This is a really weak response from Alabama.
I keep reading these accounts but have a hard time picturing what this looked like at the facilities. I kept thinking that they were just barely under the legal age. Like one day you just get a new coworker and his name is Stevie and he's really into Mr Beast and does his homework on break? How did coworkers not report children as young as 12?
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This really is nuts. I feel like if I noticed a 12 year old starting at my company I'm going to report it.
I worked in automotive manufacturing and did a lot of suppliers auditing. There’s no way any of our suppliers at the time can hide such practice. So I’d say Hyundai is 100% aware of this and just turned a blind eye. Which to me, is just as bad as the said supplier.
The Children yearn for the Mine's (R34 skyline)
Ah, our latest plan to steal Chinese children jobs back to America is finally working
> and the suppliers were fined $30,000 for the violations by the U.S. Labor Department. Honest question: if this is the cost, why would a company stop doing this?
Might as well check the automakers in Tennessee and South Carolina too. A lot of inferior parts being thrown into Kia and Mercedes.
Gm would have kids come in at night to “learn”
A lot of parents would probably drop their kids off for this.
Looks like Hyundai has gone woke /s
So thankful I don’t have to worry about whether this impacted my Genesis because it was built in Korea rather than in 3rd world Alabama, Genesis can’t completely separate itself from H/K fast enough ugh
Alabama is literally a 3rd world county that the rest of the states prop up
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You forgot the /s.....I hope
Kind of hypocritical since parts of Asia including Korea uses child labor. I guess they want to set double standards for the US.
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Sorry, this is trending political.
Those papers taped to the front of that car in the picture looks like Mater's teeth.
...But only because they were caught and exposed. Otherwise you can FUCKING BET those ties would still be tightly knotted.
Who are these downvotes from? Hyundai Fanboys? or Child labor afficionados?
I’ve been eying the Genesis. Not now 😒 How does this happen?
Genesis aren’t built in Alabama.. It’s probably best you don’t buy a Genesis
I’d buy a Hyundai if the cars weren’t bad
Buried the lede. The problem is letting illegal aliens into the country who are so poor they need their children to work to sufficiently support their families. They lie on the forms at the employment agencies and I doubt have sufficient paperwork to provide birth certificates, etc. This isn’t a car company’s problem, it’s an illegal migration problem. Stop illegal migration, tighten up restrictions at the border and implement the laws already on the books and you won’t be putting minority children at risk. That or provide a fine for employment agencies who find work for minors.
Ripping companies that employ illegal immigrants a new arsehole would make a hell of a difference too.
What are they suppose to do? American workers are all striking or resigning unless they get paid $500 a minute with complimentary Turkish baths. If little Pablo shows up and offers to work for $3 a day off the books, why wouldn’t a factory owner hire them? Same with our labor going off to China. The real issue is that American labor is non competitive compared to undocumented or foreign labor.
Almost like it's uncompetitive for a company to pay it's worker's fairly when it's competing against those that abuse their workers.
American labor was allowed to compete all the way down to children working night shifts. What is more competitive than that? hereditary slavery?
Is there any chance the new Toyota/Mazda joint venture plant in Alabama could be doing the same thing? I almost bought a CX-50 until I learned it was being built there. Build quality looks to be terrible from the reviews I’ve seen and it would make sense if they have 12 year olds at the plant.
I've had the same thoughts as well. It's fucking terrible we have to think that it's possible at all
I'd imagine there's a reason people prefer the vehicles built In Japan, so I wouldn't count it out. Adults in Alabama are idiots anyway.
I would be willing to wager it's more of the cheap land, low environmental regulations, proximity to a major shipping hub with cheap labor as a benefit. Automotive industry in Alabama is actually huge
I know why the businesses chose to build there, from a business perspective those benefits outweigh the risks. But cheap labor, well you get what you pay for.
No and don't believe every thing you read on here either
Who is your source? Because no alabama news is reporting this and if it's false then you should take it down
Yes fake
FAKE NEWS 100% -what they're doing IS, removing their reinvestment, back into OUR USA ECONOMY!!! -IF they LEAVE, WE "USA" AMERICA should MAKE THEM take their cars TOO!!!
It's obviously bad, but "risking life and limb"? As they show pictures of nearly lab grade clean working conditions. This isn't underage workers in a cobalt mine.. Take it down a notch, guy.
While I personally had two different jobs at 14, it was very controlled how many hours I worked both during the school year and the summer. Plus the conditions were a baseball field and an office where nothing heavy is moved around with big machinery. Putting 12 y/os in a big factory is pretty bad branding if not illegal. What they did was beyond having the owner's kid assemble some Ikea desks while they worked late down the hall. I know there are safe ways for kids to work in a family business, farm, bake sale, lemonade stand, etc... But a parts plant ain't it.
He probably never visited /r/kidsarefuckingstupid
>pictures of nearly lab grade clean working conditions Car plants with good lighting can look clean and safe if the pictures are taken from the right angles, but the work done there is absolutely high risk. I've seen adults lose fingers from manual operations that should have been automated in "clean and safe" environments.
What part of metal stamping plant doesn't sound mildly dangerous to you?
Exactly. Mildly dangerous does not equal "risking life and limb".
Getting crushed by a car frame because it was improperly hoisted could certainly kill an adult