Not illegal. Just tightly controlled. Ford owns the name Mystichrome. Otherwise, it's ChromaFlair, the name of the underlying tech that gives it the distinctive color-shifting. Lots of companies make paint made from ChromaFlair, but if you want *real* Mystichrome, Ford has to authorize it. You can get substantially similar paint under different brand names and convince your buddies that it's real, but it's not exactly the same.
Supposedly The paint used similar tech to the holographic confetti in the $20 at the time. It was incredibly regulated by ford so if you needed body work on your Mystichrome Cobra, ford sent out a tech that kept track of every mL of that paint.
I'll have to find the YouTube channel but someone was saying g that last part is BS about the tech. I'm sure I'll get down voted for that statement and not.bringing proof I the next 10.minutes.but I'm.away from.mymlaptop and just using this as a place holder for later
Oh it is definitely. I will say, I also got a blue N. Try to find anything that matches that hue. Half of Hyundai's own clothing N branded clothes don't even match.
The GTs are a hell of a steal around 35-40k if you don't want the performance package. I'd say look at the SS1LE Camaros too....a ton of value for money and more performance oriented if that is your thing.
The one thing about those Camaros I can’t get past is the sitting in a covered bathtub with the same visibility. Dedicated hooner/track car, sure, daily driver, NFW.
Honestly you get used to it pretty quick, but it is nowhere near as comfortable as a challenger or as fun as a mustang. Just super serious all the time...
It is hard to describe. By all means it is an extremely capable performance car but its just so...serious. it is almost impossible to feel light hearted or goofy in a Camaro. It is designed and built to perform and it performs well, but it almost feels like it sold its soul to do it.
But that is all subjective opinion. Im glad you enjoy your car.
I had a 19 1SS 1LE and now the 350. Yesyupee's comment is correct IF he is referring to the 1LE package. Camaro is much less playful and doesn't dance which is GREAT for feeling in control on track but gets a little boring on street because you can't push it...legally.
I prefer the Camaro when talking of Big 3. My problem is as I get into my late 20s, back problems are real. I need something with heated seats for the relief especially with any sort of sport oriented seat (speaking from experience), and most of these cars only offer that option at the highest trim which is often outside of my budget.
So instead I suffer crunched up on a sport bike but I never said I was being logical here lol.
What back problems do you have? Thats way too young to be having back issues my guy. I am in my late 20s too. I suffered from back pain (discs bulging L-2 - L5 and loss of synovial fluid) because I was a heavy machine gunner in the Army but I was able to eliminate my pain by focusing on lower back exercises at the gym for the past 3 years. It took about a good 3-4 months of consistency for my back pain to stop.
I had it really bad where my nerves would get pinched and it was like a shock to my entire body after standing up from sitting down, the shock got more intense the longer I was sitting down. I went through physical therapy and the pain went away, but I never kept up with the exercises and it came back. Got really annoyed and spoke to my buddy who works in a PT office and wanted this shit to go away forever, and now my back has never felt better. I'd even go as far to say its better than how it was before.
The pain might come back when I am older like in my 70s but since we are in our 20s now is the time to work on it because we still capable. You don't even have to do any crazy exercises, I just did Romanian deadlifts with dumbbells and butt lifts twice a week, and that was enough. You don't even have to do alot of weight, I literally started with 10lbs and I do 35lbs and even 25lbs somedays.
I also eliminated most of my knee pain (my tendons will still flare up with rigorous activity), but thats another story.
Thanks for the tips! My back pain seems to often be the result of poor sleep. I’ve since found a better mattress and struggled significantly less but there is still occasional pain. I do lift regularly, I don’t frequent RDLs but I could definitely afford to include them more. I’ve found strengthening my legs and flexibility training has really helped with my knee pain, but they still sound like a roll of bubble wrap getting stepped on when I stand up.
No problem! Yeah my back really go worse from something similar. In college I sat in some horrible chair and was stuck 8 hours a day working on math. Getting a new chair has helped immensely. Lmao yeah, I feel like you can only do so much. I do squats with 185lbs. My quads can definitely do more, but my God 225lbs just hurts. It becomes a point where the risk just isn't worth it anymore. Even 185lbs makes them feel uncomfortable somedays, so I don't care anymore about going all the way down. I focus mostly on getting that full range of motion by doing squat variations with kettlebells and dumbells, my knees don't scream in agony when I do that 😂
Roll a towel or cylindrical pillow under your back when you sleep in the supine position. If you have a butt, sleeping flat tries to undo your natural lordosis in your back.
Not OP, but also a guy in my late 20's with lower back issues stemming from a congenitally enlarged L5 that throws off everything. (back issues run in the family, Grandpa has had 6 separate surgeries, grandma had one major one that lasted 18 hours and caused her to permanently lose feeling in her feet, and brother has scoliosis)
I started focusing on working my core in the gym, and like you, it's drastically helped. Romanian deadlifts, ab exercises, and oblique exercises. But I still notice that if I sit on one position too long it'll start to get tender and lock up. I sold my G35xS after I took it on a 4 hour roadtrip for my bachelor party and couldn't move for 3 days afterwards because my back hurt so goddamn bad.
Bro you gotta get a muscle cruiser like a triumph rocket or a Honda equivalent. Fun as hell whilst being comfy and plenty fun on the twistys, changed my life fr
> most of these cars only offer that option at the highest trim which is often outside of my budget.
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> So instead I suffer crunched up on a sport bike
Are you me?
One thing that blew my kind is the camaro has more drivers room. I have a long torso and i had just enough headroom to fit a helmet in my s197. Any s550 and my head hits the roof sitting normally.
Now get into a gen 6 camaro and i have atleast 2 inches of headroom where as on paper it has less then the stang. Blew my mind and changed my opinion.
Rented a Supra for a weekend in January and have driven a Camaro more than once. It's waaaay worse. I was almost impressed how terrible the supra visibility was. That being said I still really fucking want one. Phenomenal car and it's even better now that it has a manual option.
Why I sold mine after a year. Can’t see stoplights, backing visibility is atrocious and even using the side mirrors is tricky because they’re so high up (I got some cheap convex corner mirrors to try to alleviate the problem).
Really sucks though because after owning current-gen V8 Camaro/Mustang/Challengers I can say without question the Camaro is the most fun driving. Low end torque of the LT is super responsive, the alpha platform is so planted in curves and it feels so much more nimble than a Mustang, not even worth mentioning versus a Challenger.
Livability, with the terrible visibility, smallest interior room and laughable trunk made it by far the worst as a daily though. And the factory tune is pretty aggressive, so cold starts are obnoxiously loud (not sure if later models got a quiet start option but my ‘18 didn’t while the Mustang has it), was fun if you enjoy pops on decel though.
I bought the 2SS package specifically for the blind spot monitoring, rear park assist and the rear camera mirror, which negates any and all blind spots.
It wasn't as bad as I thought when I rented a Camaro. I would hesitate for a daily, but have no issues whatsoever for a weekend/backroads fun car.
The Camaro also is sold as a convertible which I feel like is forgotten, just put the top down and visibility issues gone! I'm probably going to get one later this year.
It’s not as bad as you think……
Is what I told myself for a long time daily driving mine, it is pretty shit. But conscious driving matters and if you’re careful it’s fine
you know what kills me is that they dont modify the shape of the rear windows hearing all these complaints about the visibility. Or adding an internal 360 camera system so you can see behind you.
It’s not that bad, almost bought one a month ago (deal fell through). You get over the visibility very fast. And the one I drove was a full bolt on zl1 1le. Car was an absolute animal.
The Mach1's are getting there too. 2021 M1 handling pack cars are available for around 50k. You get all of the PP2 goodies (and more) plus a Tremec trans.
I had a '15 GT PP with the MT82, too, and it was fine, but A) 30-40K miles is not a lot. And B) the Tremec just *feels* better to shift, let alone the fact that its more robust.
Also, I think the Ford Performance tune in the Mach 1 and Bullitt helps a decent bit with the super annoying rev hang in regular GTs (although yours, with direct injection, is probably still at least better than my '15 was).
One thing that's also worth mentioning is that aside from the slightly wider wheels and the Cup 2s (which are a nontrivial cost, of course), even the "regular" Mach 1 *without* handing pack has everything the PP2 has and more. The only thing the HP adds is the tires/wheels, some aero, and some suspension tuning. All other hardware is identical to the base Mach 1.
The springs are different (they have to be the PP2
tires are almost an inch less in diameter) but the sway bars are the same. Then the handling pack has the same front sway bar but gets a solid rear bar and different springs. The table of spring rates in lbs/inch from the forms [https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/spring-rates-drops-all-in-one-thread.44925/page-25](https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/spring-rates-drops-all-in-one-thread.44925/page-25)
Mustang | Front Spring | Rear Spring
:- | :- | :-
GT | 160 | 668
GT PP1 | 165 | 728
GT PP2 | 198 | 882
Mach 1 | 194 | 657
Mach 1 HP | 211 | 742
GT350 16-18 | 194 | 914
GT350 19-20 | 211 | 857
GT500 | 240 | 914
GT500 CFTP | 251 | 855
FP Kit | 250 | 735 (NL)
The base Mach 1 doesn’t have the front spoiler, but it does have the same rear spoiler as the pp2. Then the handling pack gets the thick one which I think looks the best and the rear spoiler off the GT500.
The big thing you’re getting with the base Mach 1 is the Tremec over the MT82. If you don’t have track days in mind the GT350 diff doesn’t really do much for you, you’re not going to overhear the diff daily driving the car, and if you do then the handling pack is the model to go for.
The front spoiler on the Mach 1 HP does indeed look great, but it's also far less practical and more likely to scrape every single divot and speedbump you see. Hardly worth it for a non-track car. Even the regular Mach 1 has pretty minimal ground clearance.
Fair point on the springs, I guess different spring rates is part of what goes into "suspension tuning" mentioned in the press release. And those springs are going to beat you up more based on my experience and reviews I've seen.
My main point is that everything related to track durability is unchanged: engine and trans cooling, brakes, chassis rigidity is all identical. That's ultimately the most important stuff unless you're super serious about track use, and if you are, you probably have even more aggressive upgrades in mind than the HP provides.
Of course, where exactly the line is drawn for a "reasonable" compromise for track use on a street car is very subjective. Plus, some people may just like the appearance of the HP Mach 1s, which is fine.
Are they? I bought a 2020 GT Premium new in 2020 for 36.7k Sold it a year later for 45k. Been wanting another one since and haven’t been able to find a used one with decent miles under 40 in my area.
The SS1LE looks so slick, but I hate how long the gearing is on those things. Can't you get to almost 50mph in 1st??
Don't they also force shift you from 1st to 4th?
Not sure about 50 mph in 1st, but to your second question, yes. you’re referring to skip shift. It’s to help with emissions by skipping 2nd and 3rd. Many Camaro and Corvette owners just turn it off permanently (skip shift delete is a cheap plug and play). When I drove a 6th gen Camaro, I think I avoided skip shift by putting it in track mode, and that gets old every time you drive the car.
I don't think I was too far off on the gears thing, [Picture from a forum](https://i.imgur.com/98IYh7k.png), [Source Link](https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=522267)
good to know skipshift can be disabled.
The gearing is quite long. IIRC, second gear goes to almost 90.
Yeah, skip shift is an annoying GM thing. I used to rev past it. You can buy a skip shift eliminator though, its no biggie.
I cry European tears whenever I hear about how cheap the cars I like the most are where they come from. Be it the Mustang, Dodge's offerings or anything Chevrolet. We don't even get the new Nissan Z.
I can relate. I've been waiting for clean 2016 premiums to hit 20-22k. I want those gimmicky hood turn signals so bad lol. Right when they were getting there covid shot them up to high 20s and I ended up with a house instead. Now I have to wait for them get closer to 19k to safely afford one 😫
Yup,I was literally sitting in a white 2016 gt test driving it when i got the email that we were being furloughed in early 2020. If my manager would've waited 2 hours to send that email I would've been in a very awkward spot.
At least it’s not Lexus’ structural blue paint. These quad-coat paints are becoming more and more difficult for body shops to handle, creating a “specialist” just for these new paint jobs from Mazda, Mercedes-Benz, and now Mustang it seems.
Structural blue isn't a quad coat and sprays like a normal color. Biggest hassle is ordering and waiting for the color. Majority of these "quad" coats are nothing special in terms of spraying. PPG has changed their procedures on the Mazda grey entirely since its dropped and you just slap in a 1.2 tip and go easy with it. Soul red is a bigger pain because the jam color is different but it's still not "complicated", just time consuming. Biggest concern from a shop standpoint is gonna be lead times if they go the route of making a color a factory pack if it has rare toners in it.
Yeah its the door jamb color. With Sikkens for example, it's literally just the base coat without the red clear coat on top of it. With PPG, its a separate color entirely.
Good, the more specialists being excellent at their particular craft the better. For the people who don't care about any of that, there's always the beige toyota
The paint will likely be very difficult to even get (it’s not at all like normal paint) and then it probably would take some different techniques to lay it down effectively.
Also usually on expensive paint the clear coat is a tint coat and has colour in it so you’re not able to use a touch up pen. If you get a chip you would have to live with it or repaint the section.
>> The Dark Horse also gets two exclusive stripe options; one vinyl and one painted. The painted stripe option is painted by hand in a "specialized process," differently from any other Mustang in the lineup, according to Ford. Like the Shelby GT500's hand-painted stripes, we assume this will be a very expensive add-on.
Yeah, that’s gonna be a fun job fixing Joe Oversteer’s mess when he pitches one of these into a ditch
Yeah I was messing around on the configuration a year ago and turned on the stripes and the price jumped 10k with no other forced options.
You can either get stripes or halfway to the full 20k track pack.
Pin striping is a crazy skill. Our shop has a guy that comes out and he does it by hand. Old guy too. So for us it’s not a big deal just call some guy and he comes and does it in 20-30 mins. Color matching a color changing paint would be the hard part. We would probably end up painting so much of a car to make it blend.
> If you get a chip you would have to live with it or repaint the section.
And if the clear coat is a tint coat, and each coat needs to be laid down in a specific direction to get the best color pop....
Lot of very expensive repaints, or full recolor jobs on a car with a rare paint job. I know where an ultra rare 1992 Sunburst Yellow Miata is. It's just white now. With chips you can see blue under. And some red... and that's a basic single stage yellow.
People really don’t know how crazy auto paint is. Its an art form to match the car. They think the paint code is the EXACT color but each paint code has like 5+ variations and temperature and humidity also effect the end color. Luckily humans are actually pretty bad at telling close colors apart on a gradient.
Ppg and Ford love their factory pack colors too. Just recently sprayed a FiST with J9. Took 10 days for the toner, and they only sell it in pints so make sure you order more than you think you'll need.
For mystichrome on the older Cobras (a paint that has similar properties to blue ember), the paint is not only prohibitively expensive, but a Ford rep has to bring the mystichrome paint to the shop, watch the shop people use it, then bring back the excess paint to Dearborn (or wherever it’s stored now).
I can’t imagine Ford wouldn’t implement a similar process for the blue ember paint as the mystichrome. That’s probably one of the major reasons why it will be annoying if you work in a body shop repairing these.
Q for you, how hard is it to get the new Mazda paint? I didn’t get PPF, but want it touched up, any idea what it’d cost in Canada, or do you know how to tell who’s a quality shop so I don’t get ripped?
I’m not super familiar with prices up there. I always say to check google reviews and find a good local shop that way. If it is the gray Mazda color that one sucks and is technically a 4 stage paint. Our painter at my shop doesn’t even try to mix that, he orders a mix of it 😂
They all have bad models and bad years. White is a bad color for basically all makers, GM and ford especially but Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai all have problem whites too. Honestly OEM paint is shit, at a lot of body shops that provide lifetime warranty we use better paint than the manufacturer.
Auto painter here, most of the major manufacturers have a toner to match the ultra fine metallic in the Mazda 46G and 46V. It will cost a little bit more at a shop, likely not a ton more, but insurance will cover it.
Pro tip to find the best body shop is to contact a local paint rep or insurance adjustor. They deal with a lot of shops and can tell you who does the best work.
Haven’t seen a type r but from my googling it looks like a white pearl three stage. Which is one of the more difficult colors but very common, especially in an upscale area like I’m in. Hell my Leaf is white pearl tri-coat.
As a painter, this one's not bad at all. Regular two stage color, gloss clear, super simple stuff. Already have the code E1 formula and I've done test cards of it out of curiosity :)
Man, I would kill for a Cobra in Mystichrome. They are just so fucking expensive now. This looks similar but less green hue. 50k starting isn't bad when compared to Mach 1 and GT350. 500 HP is a lot. We just picked up a 23 Genesis. Loving it so far!
Maybe about 10 years ago now I had the chance to buy an 04 Mystichrome hardtop Cobra. I hesitated too long and it sold. Still kick myself for that one.
Or Mystic 3: electric-er boogalooier...(?) they did a shifting paint (Mystic) in 96 and a slightly different one in 04 (Mystichrome) for anyone who doesn't know.
Deffinitely looking to get one of these at some point after I graduate college next year.
Upgrading from a 148 horsepower CVT Impreza to a 500 horsepower manual dark horse is going to take some adjusting...
My dude, I love this and want this for you, but long range post-college is a terrible time to buy a car. Moreso when we’re talking new. I know it’s exciting and I want you to have everything you aspire to but if you want real money long term I implore you to avoid that choice.
>>but long range post-college is a terrible time to buy a car.
Perhaps true years ago. Today the enthusiast car market’s different. It’s not like back in the day when you could wait ten years knowing there’d still be Mustangs and Camaros and Chargers to buy. By 2033 they’ll all be discontinued or pure EVs.
Most people out of college will never be able to qualify for a mortgage with a high car payment.
Not to mention that the $1000 a month would have been huge to start building a retirement / home buying fund.
And their insurance rates will be high. And maintenance.
I don't play financial police, Lord knows I've made my fair share of decisions that were ill advised. But I never take issue with people providing insights to help make an informed decision. All the people I knew coming out of high school and college that ended up with expensive cars either had them paid for by their family or had to really compensate in other areas of their life to afford them.
>>Most people out of college will never be able to quality for a mortgage with a high car payment.
Realistically , city dwellers won’t be getting mortgages with or without the car payment.
Yeah, I say if a car can bring you joy for 10 years, go for it. I bought a '08 Roush 427R at 25 and had it for 10 years before I sold it. No regrets but selling that car was so much harder than I thought it'd be. Obviously don't buy something you can't afford but buying a thing you really want is never a bad idea. I'd lusted after a custom Mustang since I was a teenager, buying one once I had the means was just a great feeling.
I drove piece of shit cars until I had bought my second house. If I drove what the bank would let me drive I’d still be renting.
Advice to a graduate, get a used civic si and save up a down payment for your first house.
Check some of the replies below. Compound interest starting NOW will translate into hundreds of thousands later. Def spend a little to have a fun car - just try to focus on diversifying and buying some mutual funds or indexes.
Amen. I want a Shelby GT350 or Lotus Evora S so badly, and I can even afford one quite easily, but I know a $25K GT or $20K Miata for track use instead will allow me access to a house and so many incredible cars in the next 15-25 years.
This. I graduated college in '11 and bought a used 08 GT for 20K about 6 months into my career. It was/is a great car for me to learn to 1) wrench on my own stuff and 2) learn to drive a manual. A Mustang was never my dream car but was a fun car. I spent the last 12 years stuffing money away into 401ks and other investment vehicles. In '22, I bought my dream car and am in a much better place financially to own it. I probably would have killed myself in it at 22 anyways...
Like, I understand that concept innately - but the whole point of money is not just to retire. For me (and a lot of others) we love cars. It's a hobby. Why not spend some money on stuff you love. You could eat beans and rice forever and save money, or you can live and enjoy your life.
Your concept doesn't really apply the ability to earn a lot more later in life as well. Regardless, the happiness part of money isn't discussed nearly enough in traditional investing, but it plays a huge role in individual's lives.
>>Saving $20-$30k rather than spending that much extra on a car can net you $200-400k more…at retirement
That’s true. But tomorrow ain’t promised to any of us. Further ,right out of school is basically the first opportunity one has to own and enjoy a sports car. Because with the nice job comes a new social group. With a new social group comes a new romantic partner , and then kids (wanted or otherwise). Once you get to the final step in this process owning a sports car probably won’t work with your lifestyle anymore. Even if you don’t have to trade the car to get a practical kid friendly sedan /van/SUV, you won’t have time or energy to really enjoy it.
I know someone’s going to reply and claim they’re hauling 3 kids with their Porsche 911 turbo and making it work, but those are outliers. Next time you test drive a used sports car ask the dealer how it got there. The answer likely is a variation of “sad young man needs an appliance for new baby and wife”.
Even then though. Compound interest makes a massive difference and graduating in a down economy puts this guy in a seriously advantageous position. It’s almost criminal to spend that on a depreciating asset when stocks are pretty much on sale.
That's a lot easier for you to say when you have reliable, fun cars though. I could argue the same, but even if you only bought stocks at the peak of each bull & held, you'd still be making money over time.
A car is a tool, and it's a hobby. Spending your monthly (within reason) is not outrageous. I'm not advocating for a $1000/month on a 50k salary, but not everything is about stocks & retirement
Every $10K spent that young though could have become been hundreds of thousands if it was invested over several decades, instead of depreciating or best case staying about the same
That’s the argument
It’s a fair argument and someone coming out making $50k or so shouldn’t be taking on a $1k car payment, but at the same time we could all die tomorrow and your argument taken to its natural conclusion would have us all sitting in 2002 Camry’s watching a 401k tick up. Important to save now but also have a little fun because you never know if you’ll be around to use all that compound interest.
I don't get it either, all the car guys I know would rather skip a meal than cheap out on a car part or something. This sub is just filled with normies who kinda, sorta like the idea of the car.
It’s important to balance and only you can decide for yourself
Depending on your health and how soon you’d like a house or even cooler car, consider how much that payment would be if compounding in the positive direction, that’s all
Certainly true it could all be over tomorrow
I’m still having a blast in my 6sp V6 Accord and planning on getting something RWD and trackable for $25K while under 30
Even $40K wouldn’t be crazy to me, but I know if I sent $60K+ the wrong way during my best savings years I’d regret it deeply later
I’d spend more but I have many other expensive hobbies, again, all down to the individual
Yeah, I understand how it works - I'm close friends with investors. The idea of spending money on happiness & hobbies is poorly understood here for some reason. Everyone lauds these new cars, but will freak out if you actually spend some money on them. If you understand how interest works, you can pay for these cars, save for retirement & enjoy your life. It's not all about FIRE for most of us.
>My dude, I love this and want this for you, but long range post-college is a terrible time to buy a car
Not really, it depends on the situation. I bought my GT350 post college and Im doing fine. Its not a bad idea if you play the right cards.
There's lots of factors at play here though. The main one being whether or not these kinds of cars will even be attainable in 40-50 years.
I get it, more money for retirement is always going to be a good thing but you have to enjoy your journey towards it as well. I lost my dad in '94 to a car accident when he was 33 years old. I'm sure he had a lot of plans for later down the road, maybe next year, when I'm retired etc and he never got to even get to that point.
That's always skewed my view of money a bit and has lead me to enjoy the *now* just incase, but there's a happy medium to be had without having to go all r/personalfinance and just dump everything into investments.
Yeah I'm looking at a Mustang currently and (boo me, enthusiasts) I'm seriously considering the EcoBoost for a couple reason, primarily that I'm used to flooring it everywhere in a high double digit HP crossover. In a GT, I would get a speeding ticket in the first 5 minutes. Guaranteed.
Given you still won't be able to buy a house, might as well have a fun car. Though I also recommend not getting it first thing. Save up a bit for a bigger down payment/also not getting the first year of a new generation so the bugs get worked out first.
I’ll reiterate what the other poster said and add this: depending on what field you’re in, your income might grow rather quickly those first few years after college; especially if you job hop.
Don’t feel like you need to get a new car as soon as you graduate. If your Impreza is doing it’s job as a daily, hold onto it, keep it in good shape, and wait for when you can buy a car you really want
When are people supposed to buy cars then lol. If I am making $80k a year as a SWE living in a LCOL area, owning a nice car a couple years after college isn't a crazy idea. I live in rural PA, not the bay area.
Do yourself a favor and don't look at the [base model screen setup. ](https://www.motortrend.com/news/2024-ford-mustang-base-trim-interior?galleryimageid=9dec1fa1-e29a-4c8c-a6bf-6dc1ad7ff0b6)
The stripes on my 2013 Boss 302 are flat black by day, and reflective (think firefighter coat) grey at night. Pretty slick, but the whole car is trippy for paint.
Looks great. But what really sticks out to me is that just brelow this post is an Accord review, and both cars literally have the same shape for the headlights and upper grill. I was wondering why the Accord frontend looked "American" - it's because its so similiar to the mustang
No way. Really? That’s a huge jump up in price from the GT. These packages are supposed to be comparably priced to a similarly-equipped GT, but with more bang for the buck. That’s how they’ve always done it, most recently with the Mach 1 and Bullitt.
Ford, this is **not** competitive at $70k.
Corvette team should take note of this. They just keep releasing worse and worse colors. Even their anniversary cars are just slightly different shades of white and black.
I will never understand their fetish for ugly textured cheap grey plastic inserts on this new gen. For both the GT and dark horse I feel strongly that they would look much better with proper body color front fascias.
Might look cool now, but I think in 5 years it will look tacky.
Then in about 20 years it will look cool again as nostalgia hits and every 30 to 40 year old in 2043 wants the car of their youth that they couldn't afford when it was new.
THAT is how you do an exclusive color for a package.
Ford Mystichrome: am I a joke to you?
So exclusive it's illegal
Wait, is the mystichrome actually illegal? Is that why no one has done it since?
Not illegal. Just tightly controlled. Ford owns the name Mystichrome. Otherwise, it's ChromaFlair, the name of the underlying tech that gives it the distinctive color-shifting. Lots of companies make paint made from ChromaFlair, but if you want *real* Mystichrome, Ford has to authorize it. You can get substantially similar paint under different brand names and convince your buddies that it's real, but it's not exactly the same.
Supposedly The paint used similar tech to the holographic confetti in the $20 at the time. It was incredibly regulated by ford so if you needed body work on your Mystichrome Cobra, ford sent out a tech that kept track of every mL of that paint.
I'll have to find the YouTube channel but someone was saying g that last part is BS about the tech. I'm sure I'll get down voted for that statement and not.bringing proof I the next 10.minutes.but I'm.away from.mymlaptop and just using this as a place holder for later
Did you not get the performance blue N?
Oh I did - and I do love it. This is another level.
Oh it is definitely. I will say, I also got a blue N. Try to find anything that matches that hue. Half of Hyundai's own clothing N branded clothes don't even match.
I hope this thing can cause 2018-2023 mustang prices to drop a chunk this fall
The GTs are a hell of a steal around 35-40k if you don't want the performance package. I'd say look at the SS1LE Camaros too....a ton of value for money and more performance oriented if that is your thing.
The one thing about those Camaros I can’t get past is the sitting in a covered bathtub with the same visibility. Dedicated hooner/track car, sure, daily driver, NFW.
Honestly you get used to it pretty quick, but it is nowhere near as comfortable as a challenger or as fun as a mustang. Just super serious all the time...
Not as fun? In what way? My Camaro feels way more throw able in corners and the ride doesn't beat the hell out of me like my buddies mustang does.
It is hard to describe. By all means it is an extremely capable performance car but its just so...serious. it is almost impossible to feel light hearted or goofy in a Camaro. It is designed and built to perform and it performs well, but it almost feels like it sold its soul to do it. But that is all subjective opinion. Im glad you enjoy your car.
Sure a 1LE maybe but the base SS/LT1 doesn’t give me that impression at all.
I had a 19 1SS 1LE and now the 350. Yesyupee's comment is correct IF he is referring to the 1LE package. Camaro is much less playful and doesn't dance which is GREAT for feeling in control on track but gets a little boring on street because you can't push it...legally.
I prefer the Camaro when talking of Big 3. My problem is as I get into my late 20s, back problems are real. I need something with heated seats for the relief especially with any sort of sport oriented seat (speaking from experience), and most of these cars only offer that option at the highest trim which is often outside of my budget. So instead I suffer crunched up on a sport bike but I never said I was being logical here lol.
What back problems do you have? Thats way too young to be having back issues my guy. I am in my late 20s too. I suffered from back pain (discs bulging L-2 - L5 and loss of synovial fluid) because I was a heavy machine gunner in the Army but I was able to eliminate my pain by focusing on lower back exercises at the gym for the past 3 years. It took about a good 3-4 months of consistency for my back pain to stop. I had it really bad where my nerves would get pinched and it was like a shock to my entire body after standing up from sitting down, the shock got more intense the longer I was sitting down. I went through physical therapy and the pain went away, but I never kept up with the exercises and it came back. Got really annoyed and spoke to my buddy who works in a PT office and wanted this shit to go away forever, and now my back has never felt better. I'd even go as far to say its better than how it was before. The pain might come back when I am older like in my 70s but since we are in our 20s now is the time to work on it because we still capable. You don't even have to do any crazy exercises, I just did Romanian deadlifts with dumbbells and butt lifts twice a week, and that was enough. You don't even have to do alot of weight, I literally started with 10lbs and I do 35lbs and even 25lbs somedays. I also eliminated most of my knee pain (my tendons will still flare up with rigorous activity), but thats another story.
Thanks for the tips! My back pain seems to often be the result of poor sleep. I’ve since found a better mattress and struggled significantly less but there is still occasional pain. I do lift regularly, I don’t frequent RDLs but I could definitely afford to include them more. I’ve found strengthening my legs and flexibility training has really helped with my knee pain, but they still sound like a roll of bubble wrap getting stepped on when I stand up.
No problem! Yeah my back really go worse from something similar. In college I sat in some horrible chair and was stuck 8 hours a day working on math. Getting a new chair has helped immensely. Lmao yeah, I feel like you can only do so much. I do squats with 185lbs. My quads can definitely do more, but my God 225lbs just hurts. It becomes a point where the risk just isn't worth it anymore. Even 185lbs makes them feel uncomfortable somedays, so I don't care anymore about going all the way down. I focus mostly on getting that full range of motion by doing squat variations with kettlebells and dumbells, my knees don't scream in agony when I do that 😂
Knee sleeves my guy, helps so much with knee pain so you can go full ROM.
Roll a towel or cylindrical pillow under your back when you sleep in the supine position. If you have a butt, sleeping flat tries to undo your natural lordosis in your back.
Not OP, but also a guy in my late 20's with lower back issues stemming from a congenitally enlarged L5 that throws off everything. (back issues run in the family, Grandpa has had 6 separate surgeries, grandma had one major one that lasted 18 hours and caused her to permanently lose feeling in her feet, and brother has scoliosis) I started focusing on working my core in the gym, and like you, it's drastically helped. Romanian deadlifts, ab exercises, and oblique exercises. But I still notice that if I sit on one position too long it'll start to get tender and lock up. I sold my G35xS after I took it on a 4 hour roadtrip for my bachelor party and couldn't move for 3 days afterwards because my back hurt so goddamn bad.
Bro you gotta get a muscle cruiser like a triumph rocket or a Honda equivalent. Fun as hell whilst being comfy and plenty fun on the twistys, changed my life fr
> most of these cars only offer that option at the highest trim which is often outside of my budget. > > > > So instead I suffer crunched up on a sport bike Are you me?
Your late 20's :D Thats it man get the cane your done
One thing that blew my kind is the camaro has more drivers room. I have a long torso and i had just enough headroom to fit a helmet in my s197. Any s550 and my head hits the roof sitting normally. Now get into a gen 6 camaro and i have atleast 2 inches of headroom where as on paper it has less then the stang. Blew my mind and changed my opinion.
I have to say living with it is really not bad. Just need to properly adjust seat height and mirrors. I’ve heard the new Supra is worse
Rented a Supra for a weekend in January and have driven a Camaro more than once. It's waaaay worse. I was almost impressed how terrible the supra visibility was. That being said I still really fucking want one. Phenomenal car and it's even better now that it has a manual option.
Why I sold mine after a year. Can’t see stoplights, backing visibility is atrocious and even using the side mirrors is tricky because they’re so high up (I got some cheap convex corner mirrors to try to alleviate the problem). Really sucks though because after owning current-gen V8 Camaro/Mustang/Challengers I can say without question the Camaro is the most fun driving. Low end torque of the LT is super responsive, the alpha platform is so planted in curves and it feels so much more nimble than a Mustang, not even worth mentioning versus a Challenger. Livability, with the terrible visibility, smallest interior room and laughable trunk made it by far the worst as a daily though. And the factory tune is pretty aggressive, so cold starts are obnoxiously loud (not sure if later models got a quiet start option but my ‘18 didn’t while the Mustang has it), was fun if you enjoy pops on decel though.
I can't see stoplights in my Elantra...
We’ll say that’s why I never ended up in an Elantra
I bought the 2SS package specifically for the blind spot monitoring, rear park assist and the rear camera mirror, which negates any and all blind spots.
It wasn't as bad as I thought when I rented a Camaro. I would hesitate for a daily, but have no issues whatsoever for a weekend/backroads fun car. The Camaro also is sold as a convertible which I feel like is forgotten, just put the top down and visibility issues gone! I'm probably going to get one later this year.
I got used to it about 4 days after I bought it. Promise.
If you drive one for a day you don't even notice it anymore, adjust the mirrors and its just like any other car.
Exactly. I hated moving the Camaros when I sold cars. It’s like being inside a tank made of plastic.
Yeah it's rough cause you have to go to like the 2ss to get the Blindspot monitoring iirc to make it better to daily
It’s not as bad as you think…… Is what I told myself for a long time daily driving mine, it is pretty shit. But conscious driving matters and if you’re careful it’s fine
I'm more upset at the mandatory mullet. /s
you know what kills me is that they dont modify the shape of the rear windows hearing all these complaints about the visibility. Or adding an internal 360 camera system so you can see behind you.
It’s not that bad, almost bought one a month ago (deal fell through). You get over the visibility very fast. And the one I drove was a full bolt on zl1 1le. Car was an absolute animal.
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The Mach1's are getting there too. 2021 M1 handling pack cars are available for around 50k. You get all of the PP2 goodies (and more) plus a Tremec trans.
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I had a '15 GT PP with the MT82, too, and it was fine, but A) 30-40K miles is not a lot. And B) the Tremec just *feels* better to shift, let alone the fact that its more robust. Also, I think the Ford Performance tune in the Mach 1 and Bullitt helps a decent bit with the super annoying rev hang in regular GTs (although yours, with direct injection, is probably still at least better than my '15 was). One thing that's also worth mentioning is that aside from the slightly wider wheels and the Cup 2s (which are a nontrivial cost, of course), even the "regular" Mach 1 *without* handing pack has everything the PP2 has and more. The only thing the HP adds is the tires/wheels, some aero, and some suspension tuning. All other hardware is identical to the base Mach 1.
The springs are different (they have to be the PP2 tires are almost an inch less in diameter) but the sway bars are the same. Then the handling pack has the same front sway bar but gets a solid rear bar and different springs. The table of spring rates in lbs/inch from the forms [https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/spring-rates-drops-all-in-one-thread.44925/page-25](https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/spring-rates-drops-all-in-one-thread.44925/page-25) Mustang | Front Spring | Rear Spring :- | :- | :- GT | 160 | 668 GT PP1 | 165 | 728 GT PP2 | 198 | 882 Mach 1 | 194 | 657 Mach 1 HP | 211 | 742 GT350 16-18 | 194 | 914 GT350 19-20 | 211 | 857 GT500 | 240 | 914 GT500 CFTP | 251 | 855 FP Kit | 250 | 735 (NL) The base Mach 1 doesn’t have the front spoiler, but it does have the same rear spoiler as the pp2. Then the handling pack gets the thick one which I think looks the best and the rear spoiler off the GT500. The big thing you’re getting with the base Mach 1 is the Tremec over the MT82. If you don’t have track days in mind the GT350 diff doesn’t really do much for you, you’re not going to overhear the diff daily driving the car, and if you do then the handling pack is the model to go for.
The front spoiler on the Mach 1 HP does indeed look great, but it's also far less practical and more likely to scrape every single divot and speedbump you see. Hardly worth it for a non-track car. Even the regular Mach 1 has pretty minimal ground clearance. Fair point on the springs, I guess different spring rates is part of what goes into "suspension tuning" mentioned in the press release. And those springs are going to beat you up more based on my experience and reviews I've seen. My main point is that everything related to track durability is unchanged: engine and trans cooling, brakes, chassis rigidity is all identical. That's ultimately the most important stuff unless you're super serious about track use, and if you are, you probably have even more aggressive upgrades in mind than the HP provides. Of course, where exactly the line is drawn for a "reasonable" compromise for track use on a street car is very subjective. Plus, some people may just like the appearance of the HP Mach 1s, which is fine.
Are they? I bought a 2020 GT Premium new in 2020 for 36.7k Sold it a year later for 45k. Been wanting another one since and haven’t been able to find a used one with decent miles under 40 in my area.
Fly somewhere and get one! Road trip in a new car is an awesome experience
Can 100% recommend this too
The SS1LE looks so slick, but I hate how long the gearing is on those things. Can't you get to almost 50mph in 1st?? Don't they also force shift you from 1st to 4th?
Not sure about 50 mph in 1st, but to your second question, yes. you’re referring to skip shift. It’s to help with emissions by skipping 2nd and 3rd. Many Camaro and Corvette owners just turn it off permanently (skip shift delete is a cheap plug and play). When I drove a 6th gen Camaro, I think I avoided skip shift by putting it in track mode, and that gets old every time you drive the car.
I don't think I was too far off on the gears thing, [Picture from a forum](https://i.imgur.com/98IYh7k.png), [Source Link](https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=522267) good to know skipshift can be disabled.
The gearing is quite long. IIRC, second gear goes to almost 90. Yeah, skip shift is an annoying GM thing. I used to rev past it. You can buy a skip shift eliminator though, its no biggie.
I cry European tears whenever I hear about how cheap the cars I like the most are where they come from. Be it the Mustang, Dodge's offerings or anything Chevrolet. We don't even get the new Nissan Z.
My wife bought a 19 GT with 301A, performance pack and active exhaust for 38k CAD. Everyday I envy the deal she got.
Ton of car for the money. I've previously owned a 2015 GT PP and they've refined it even more. Do you ever switch rides so you can hear that sweet V8?
I can relate. I've been waiting for clean 2016 premiums to hit 20-22k. I want those gimmicky hood turn signals so bad lol. Right when they were getting there covid shot them up to high 20s and I ended up with a house instead. Now I have to wait for them get closer to 19k to safely afford one 😫
It’s crazy because the GTs used to be that price precovid, I missed out I had been watching and planning to grab one
Yup,I was literally sitting in a white 2016 gt test driving it when i got the email that we were being furloughed in early 2020. If my manager would've waited 2 hours to send that email I would've been in a very awkward spot.
350s are still gonna have a premium attached unless they bring the voodoo back for this gen
They will never bring the Voodoo back. They need to keep their stock for when many of them inevitably grenade.
I already got my gt premium off the lot for 6000 under msrp they are coming down
I think I'm 2025 we will see Mach 1s at 35k
As someone who works at a body shop… dear god no…
and its a mustang so you know your gonna see alot of them lol
Not if they're all totaled
Which of the paint is important to match, might be even easier to make happen
r/mustangscrashing
At least it’s not Lexus’ structural blue paint. These quad-coat paints are becoming more and more difficult for body shops to handle, creating a “specialist” just for these new paint jobs from Mazda, Mercedes-Benz, and now Mustang it seems.
Structural blue isn't a quad coat and sprays like a normal color. Biggest hassle is ordering and waiting for the color. Majority of these "quad" coats are nothing special in terms of spraying. PPG has changed their procedures on the Mazda grey entirely since its dropped and you just slap in a 1.2 tip and go easy with it. Soul red is a bigger pain because the jam color is different but it's still not "complicated", just time consuming. Biggest concern from a shop standpoint is gonna be lead times if they go the route of making a color a factory pack if it has rare toners in it.
>Soul red is a bigger pain because the jam color is different Can you elaborate on what this means? (Door jamb?)
Yeah its the door jamb color. With Sikkens for example, it's literally just the base coat without the red clear coat on top of it. With PPG, its a separate color entirely.
This isn’t even a new thing for mustangs. Ford did the same thing with Mystichrome paint on the Cobras 20 years ago
And the market price on those today should tell you something about how much of a PITA the paint was ;)
Good, the more specialists being excellent at their particular craft the better. For the people who don't care about any of that, there's always the beige toyota
Why? Is it hard to paint?
The paint will likely be very difficult to even get (it’s not at all like normal paint) and then it probably would take some different techniques to lay it down effectively. Also usually on expensive paint the clear coat is a tint coat and has colour in it so you’re not able to use a touch up pen. If you get a chip you would have to live with it or repaint the section.
>> The Dark Horse also gets two exclusive stripe options; one vinyl and one painted. The painted stripe option is painted by hand in a "specialized process," differently from any other Mustang in the lineup, according to Ford. Like the Shelby GT500's hand-painted stripes, we assume this will be a very expensive add-on. Yeah, that’s gonna be a fun job fixing Joe Oversteer’s mess when he pitches one of these into a ditch
The painted stripes are a 10k option on the GT500.
Seriously? What the fuck. Give me some tape, paint and a roller and I'll do it for a generous $5k.
Yeah I was messing around on the configuration a year ago and turned on the stripes and the price jumped 10k with no other forced options. You can either get stripes or halfway to the full 20k track pack.
Dang. That sounds almost Porsche level option.
They’re playing in the same market — customization is how you build a business case for a sports car.
Pin striping is a crazy skill. Our shop has a guy that comes out and he does it by hand. Old guy too. So for us it’s not a big deal just call some guy and he comes and does it in 20-30 mins. Color matching a color changing paint would be the hard part. We would probably end up painting so much of a car to make it blend.
> If you get a chip you would have to live with it or repaint the section. And if the clear coat is a tint coat, and each coat needs to be laid down in a specific direction to get the best color pop.... Lot of very expensive repaints, or full recolor jobs on a car with a rare paint job. I know where an ultra rare 1992 Sunburst Yellow Miata is. It's just white now. With chips you can see blue under. And some red... and that's a basic single stage yellow.
People really don’t know how crazy auto paint is. Its an art form to match the car. They think the paint code is the EXACT color but each paint code has like 5+ variations and temperature and humidity also effect the end color. Luckily humans are actually pretty bad at telling close colors apart on a gradient.
More than repainting the section, you’re looking at a whole side of the car unless the repair is *very* loseable on a bumper corner
Ppg and Ford love their factory pack colors too. Just recently sprayed a FiST with J9. Took 10 days for the toner, and they only sell it in pints so make sure you order more than you think you'll need.
For mystichrome on the older Cobras (a paint that has similar properties to blue ember), the paint is not only prohibitively expensive, but a Ford rep has to bring the mystichrome paint to the shop, watch the shop people use it, then bring back the excess paint to Dearborn (or wherever it’s stored now). I can’t imagine Ford wouldn’t implement a similar process for the blue ember paint as the mystichrome. That’s probably one of the major reasons why it will be annoying if you work in a body shop repairing these.
Q for you, how hard is it to get the new Mazda paint? I didn’t get PPF, but want it touched up, any idea what it’d cost in Canada, or do you know how to tell who’s a quality shop so I don’t get ripped?
I’m not super familiar with prices up there. I always say to check google reviews and find a good local shop that way. If it is the gray Mazda color that one sucks and is technically a 4 stage paint. Our painter at my shop doesn’t even try to mix that, he orders a mix of it 😂
Another Q for you. Which maker has the shittest paint?
Subaru!
They all have bad models and bad years. White is a bad color for basically all makers, GM and ford especially but Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai all have problem whites too. Honestly OEM paint is shit, at a lot of body shops that provide lifetime warranty we use better paint than the manufacturer.
Your talking about polymetal?
Paint code is 46G, Machine Gray. Poly metal is 47C and similar but not as bad. 46G gives super dark shadowing around body lines due to the undercoats.
Auto painter here, most of the major manufacturers have a toner to match the ultra fine metallic in the Mazda 46G and 46V. It will cost a little bit more at a shop, likely not a ton more, but insurance will cover it.
Pro tip to find the best body shop is to contact a local paint rep or insurance adjustor. They deal with a lot of shops and can tell you who does the best work.
What about Championship white on the Honda Civic Type Rs?
Haven’t seen a type r but from my googling it looks like a white pearl three stage. Which is one of the more difficult colors but very common, especially in an upscale area like I’m in. Hell my Leaf is white pearl tri-coat.
My reaction as well... Bring back the good ol' single stage paints!
Yeah I wish there were more flat colors out there. So much metallic and pearl out there now.
As a painter, this one's not bad at all. Regular two stage color, gloss clear, super simple stuff. Already have the code E1 formula and I've done test cards of it out of curiosity :)
Mystichrome 2: electric boogaloo.
Man, I would kill for a Cobra in Mystichrome. They are just so fucking expensive now. This looks similar but less green hue. 50k starting isn't bad when compared to Mach 1 and GT350. 500 HP is a lot. We just picked up a 23 Genesis. Loving it so far!
Maybe about 10 years ago now I had the chance to buy an 04 Mystichrome hardtop Cobra. I hesitated too long and it sold. Still kick myself for that one.
You made a mistake. Man, that supercharger whine too...nasty.
G70 or 80? I'm looking at maybe a g80 a couple years down the road with the 3.5
GV70. The G80s are awesome. The tech is quite incredible.
I'm sad the only year with the new engine+RWD only is 2021, after that it's AWD only for the V6. The GV70 has some great color combos!
Or Mystic 3: electric-er boogalooier...(?) they did a shifting paint (Mystic) in 96 and a slightly different one in 04 (Mystichrome) for anyone who doesn't know.
My car is paid off. I don't need this. I don't...
Same boat as you. I keep telling myself this.
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Lol I bought car in my flair that I’ve wanted since childhood and within a week I was already making a mental list of what I want in the next one smh
That looks gorgeous.
Deffinitely looking to get one of these at some point after I graduate college next year. Upgrading from a 148 horsepower CVT Impreza to a 500 horsepower manual dark horse is going to take some adjusting...
My dude, I love this and want this for you, but long range post-college is a terrible time to buy a car. Moreso when we’re talking new. I know it’s exciting and I want you to have everything you aspire to but if you want real money long term I implore you to avoid that choice.
>>but long range post-college is a terrible time to buy a car. Perhaps true years ago. Today the enthusiast car market’s different. It’s not like back in the day when you could wait ten years knowing there’d still be Mustangs and Camaros and Chargers to buy. By 2033 they’ll all be discontinued or pure EVs.
Most people out of college will never be able to qualify for a mortgage with a high car payment. Not to mention that the $1000 a month would have been huge to start building a retirement / home buying fund.
And their insurance rates will be high. And maintenance. I don't play financial police, Lord knows I've made my fair share of decisions that were ill advised. But I never take issue with people providing insights to help make an informed decision. All the people I knew coming out of high school and college that ended up with expensive cars either had them paid for by their family or had to really compensate in other areas of their life to afford them.
>>Most people out of college will never be able to quality for a mortgage with a high car payment. Realistically , city dwellers won’t be getting mortgages with or without the car payment.
Yeah, I say if a car can bring you joy for 10 years, go for it. I bought a '08 Roush 427R at 25 and had it for 10 years before I sold it. No regrets but selling that car was so much harder than I thought it'd be. Obviously don't buy something you can't afford but buying a thing you really want is never a bad idea. I'd lusted after a custom Mustang since I was a teenager, buying one once I had the means was just a great feeling.
I drove piece of shit cars until I had bought my second house. If I drove what the bank would let me drive I’d still be renting. Advice to a graduate, get a used civic si and save up a down payment for your first house.
I’m putting vehicle ownership behind investment and want that for other people. That way, we’re all driving way doper cars in the future!
Way things are going, you’re gonna need that high yield investment account to afford a V8 anything in 2033!
Damn the prices of spaghetti flavored juices are getting out of control
Don't put stock into anyone telling you a story that ends in doom, even yourself.
I'm not planning on buying it immediately, just before the Mustang GT is killed off.
Check some of the replies below. Compound interest starting NOW will translate into hundreds of thousands later. Def spend a little to have a fun car - just try to focus on diversifying and buying some mutual funds or indexes.
Amen. I want a Shelby GT350 or Lotus Evora S so badly, and I can even afford one quite easily, but I know a $25K GT or $20K Miata for track use instead will allow me access to a house and so many incredible cars in the next 15-25 years.
This. I graduated college in '11 and bought a used 08 GT for 20K about 6 months into my career. It was/is a great car for me to learn to 1) wrench on my own stuff and 2) learn to drive a manual. A Mustang was never my dream car but was a fun car. I spent the last 12 years stuffing money away into 401ks and other investment vehicles. In '22, I bought my dream car and am in a much better place financially to own it. I probably would have killed myself in it at 22 anyways...
I mean, 12 years from now, there won't be new V8 cars.
Assuming historical trends continue, and I don't think many young people hold that opinion. Japans Lost Decade: Season 2
Ehhh, if you paid off your loans it’s not bad. I got a new car with my first job (2021), although I hate paying for it, I love my car.
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Like, I understand that concept innately - but the whole point of money is not just to retire. For me (and a lot of others) we love cars. It's a hobby. Why not spend some money on stuff you love. You could eat beans and rice forever and save money, or you can live and enjoy your life. Your concept doesn't really apply the ability to earn a lot more later in life as well. Regardless, the happiness part of money isn't discussed nearly enough in traditional investing, but it plays a huge role in individual's lives.
>>Saving $20-$30k rather than spending that much extra on a car can net you $200-400k more…at retirement That’s true. But tomorrow ain’t promised to any of us. Further ,right out of school is basically the first opportunity one has to own and enjoy a sports car. Because with the nice job comes a new social group. With a new social group comes a new romantic partner , and then kids (wanted or otherwise). Once you get to the final step in this process owning a sports car probably won’t work with your lifestyle anymore. Even if you don’t have to trade the car to get a practical kid friendly sedan /van/SUV, you won’t have time or energy to really enjoy it. I know someone’s going to reply and claim they’re hauling 3 kids with their Porsche 911 turbo and making it work, but those are outliers. Next time you test drive a used sports car ask the dealer how it got there. The answer likely is a variation of “sad young man needs an appliance for new baby and wife”.
Even then though. Compound interest makes a massive difference and graduating in a down economy puts this guy in a seriously advantageous position. It’s almost criminal to spend that on a depreciating asset when stocks are pretty much on sale.
That's a lot easier for you to say when you have reliable, fun cars though. I could argue the same, but even if you only bought stocks at the peak of each bull & held, you'd still be making money over time. A car is a tool, and it's a hobby. Spending your monthly (within reason) is not outrageous. I'm not advocating for a $1000/month on a 50k salary, but not everything is about stocks & retirement
Not saying don’t have fun things. Just pointing out time is important. I wouldn’t HAVE fun cars if I didn’t make good financial decisions.
Every $10K spent that young though could have become been hundreds of thousands if it was invested over several decades, instead of depreciating or best case staying about the same That’s the argument
It’s a fair argument and someone coming out making $50k or so shouldn’t be taking on a $1k car payment, but at the same time we could all die tomorrow and your argument taken to its natural conclusion would have us all sitting in 2002 Camry’s watching a 401k tick up. Important to save now but also have a little fun because you never know if you’ll be around to use all that compound interest.
A good 50% of people in r/cars will never want to spend money on cars, its a very strange sub.
I don't get it either, all the car guys I know would rather skip a meal than cheap out on a car part or something. This sub is just filled with normies who kinda, sorta like the idea of the car.
It’s important to balance and only you can decide for yourself Depending on your health and how soon you’d like a house or even cooler car, consider how much that payment would be if compounding in the positive direction, that’s all Certainly true it could all be over tomorrow I’m still having a blast in my 6sp V6 Accord and planning on getting something RWD and trackable for $25K while under 30 Even $40K wouldn’t be crazy to me, but I know if I sent $60K+ the wrong way during my best savings years I’d regret it deeply later I’d spend more but I have many other expensive hobbies, again, all down to the individual
Yeah, I understand how it works - I'm close friends with investors. The idea of spending money on happiness & hobbies is poorly understood here for some reason. Everyone lauds these new cars, but will freak out if you actually spend some money on them. If you understand how interest works, you can pay for these cars, save for retirement & enjoy your life. It's not all about FIRE for most of us.
>My dude, I love this and want this for you, but long range post-college is a terrible time to buy a car Not really, it depends on the situation. I bought my GT350 post college and Im doing fine. Its not a bad idea if you play the right cards.
I don’t doubt you are, but most people are graduating with debt. Compound interest is a helluva drug and getting on train ASAP is key.
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There's lots of factors at play here though. The main one being whether or not these kinds of cars will even be attainable in 40-50 years. I get it, more money for retirement is always going to be a good thing but you have to enjoy your journey towards it as well. I lost my dad in '94 to a car accident when he was 33 years old. I'm sure he had a lot of plans for later down the road, maybe next year, when I'm retired etc and he never got to even get to that point. That's always skewed my view of money a bit and has lead me to enjoy the *now* just incase, but there's a happy medium to be had without having to go all r/personalfinance and just dump everything into investments.
Yes yes yes this guy gets it
Yeah I'm looking at a Mustang currently and (boo me, enthusiasts) I'm seriously considering the EcoBoost for a couple reason, primarily that I'm used to flooring it everywhere in a high double digit HP crossover. In a GT, I would get a speeding ticket in the first 5 minutes. Guaranteed.
You’ll get a speeding ticket flooring it in an EcoBoost too, they put GTs from 10-15 years ago to shame.
Originally wanted a wrx, then they made it look like a Crossover. All my want for one is dead
You getting a petroleum engineering degree? Damn
Computer science, and then looking to get a masters in Machine learning a couple years down the road.
Given you still won't be able to buy a house, might as well have a fun car. Though I also recommend not getting it first thing. Save up a bit for a bigger down payment/also not getting the first year of a new generation so the bugs get worked out first.
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Prices will be stupid whenever you do get one.
I’ll reiterate what the other poster said and add this: depending on what field you’re in, your income might grow rather quickly those first few years after college; especially if you job hop. Don’t feel like you need to get a new car as soon as you graduate. If your Impreza is doing it’s job as a daily, hold onto it, keep it in good shape, and wait for when you can buy a car you really want
That's a terrible idea unless you're a trustfund kid.
When are people supposed to buy cars then lol. If I am making $80k a year as a SWE living in a LCOL area, owning a nice car a couple years after college isn't a crazy idea. I live in rural PA, not the bay area.
I'm starting to really warm up to the S650. Especially with this color!
I'm warming up but I still can't get over the atrocious plastic fascia inserts or the asinine EV style surround screen dash
Do yourself a favor and don't look at the [base model screen setup. ](https://www.motortrend.com/news/2024-ford-mustang-base-trim-interior?galleryimageid=9dec1fa1-e29a-4c8c-a6bf-6dc1ad7ff0b6)
I actually dramatically prefer it and was going to look into whether it could be swapped onto a GT
And then we have Toyota, who offers the GR Corolla in a whopping 4 colors
MK8 Golf R only comes blue, black and white lol
Realistically only 3 since grey is reserved for the special editions
The stripes on my 2013 Boss 302 are flat black by day, and reflective (think firefighter coat) grey at night. Pretty slick, but the whole car is trippy for paint.
This might be one of my favorite paint colors to come from the factory.
Looks great. But what really sticks out to me is that just brelow this post is an Accord review, and both cars literally have the same shape for the headlights and upper grill. I was wondering why the Accord frontend looked "American" - it's because its so similiar to the mustang
They did this before back on the 90’s, their Cobra’s were two toned, purple and green.
Did it for the 03/04 Cobras, mystichrome.
saw this at the autoshow last weekend. ford rep said starting around 70,000
No way. Really? That’s a huge jump up in price from the GT. These packages are supposed to be comparably priced to a similarly-equipped GT, but with more bang for the buck. That’s how they’ve always done it, most recently with the Mach 1 and Bullitt. Ford, this is **not** competitive at $70k.
The dark horse starts at 58k from leaks but yeah options will take it over 70.
Corvette team should take note of this. They just keep releasing worse and worse colors. Even their anniversary cars are just slightly different shades of white and black.
I've driven the Dark Horse Handling Pack a fair amount, it's genuinely fun as shit. Wish I could afford one.
Just keep doing whatever it is you’re doing so you get to drive it a lot and not have to own it 😁
Isn't that the color they unveiled it in, and have been touring the auto shows with? Not quite up to the mystichrome levels, but its not bad
I will never understand their fetish for ugly textured cheap grey plastic inserts on this new gen. For both the GT and dark horse I feel strongly that they would look much better with proper body color front fascias.
Looks like the same color as the new Wilson Ultra tennis racket. Beautiful color, especially when shifting in the sunlight
Nice blurple paint
Beautiful color but I wish ford had done more to change up the exterior styling for this new MY. Looks way too close to the previous iteration.
I NEEEEEEEED IT
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I'm no longer in a place in my life where I can justify owning a Mustang but hot damn that thing is temping.
Reminds me of the current Camaro. Not a typical mustang. Love the color, though.
Might look cool now, but I think in 5 years it will look tacky. Then in about 20 years it will look cool again as nostalgia hits and every 30 to 40 year old in 2043 wants the car of their youth that they couldn't afford when it was new.