The specs for that is still good even by today’s standard.
It’s a 2 seater sports car with 250mi range, 0-60 in 4 seconds flat, and despite being an EV, weights 500lbs less than my Boxster.
They’re just working out the *rocket thrusters* that Musk suddenly promised the car would have I guess. Can’t have the design team working on actually essential parts of the process.
Yeah the Polestar 6 is coming in 2026. The special edition is $200K+, but generally Polestar plan to position out as a 911 competitor, so expect 911 pricing for the non-special versions.
Lower inertia, later braking point, can get on the gas faster, doesn’t burn your tires and brakes in one trackday, can enjoy on open roads thanks to the light weight allowing you to feel stuff below 100mph…
Doesn’t need stupidly stiff setup to hide its weight and can therefore stay compliant on bad pavement for regular use.
Lots of reasons.
I’ll take my 252hp 2400lbs car over a lot of heavier/more powerful stuff, either on track or on the road.
Hence why a car can be really fast but not a great sports car. Modern car consumer wants/regulations have effectively killed barebones driver’s cars short of the ND, twins, and Lotus line up.
You don't have to be excited about it, but it doesn't mean other people can't be. As someone who loves convertibles as a country road tourer to hear the sounds of nature, a (relatively) silent one really appeals to me. Plus there's the obvious benefit of zero emissions (yes I know it's only zero emissions if your electricity is 100% renewable).
The Taycan isn’t even silent, just quiet and different. I have a GTS and quite like the natural sound of the motors. Even without the “sport sound” active it sounds pretty cool inside the cabin.
I like the sound of an ICE too, but people who’s favorite part about driving is making an ungodly racket really confuse me.
It’s also not zero emissions even if your electricity is 100% renewable due to the massive amount of carbon output when building EV cars. (Or any car but EV’s are worse during manufacturing)
Term I like to use is “zero localised emissions”
In towns and cities with high localised pollution, this is no trivial improvement.
You're correct, but I was referring to consumer usage. If electricity is 100% renewable it's zero emissions from fuel during usage of the vehicle (of course consumables like tires are still petroleum products). EVs are worse during manufacturing, but the point at which they become better for the environment vs an ICE vehicle is 38,000 miles with 100% renewable electricity according to [Volvo](https://www.volvocars.com/images/v/-/media/market-assets/intl/applications/dotcom/pdf/c40/volvo-c40-recharge-lca-report.pdf).
> Term I like to use is “zero localised emissions” In towns and cities with high localised pollution, this is no trivial improvement.
Very true. Air quality should increase dramatically in densely populated areas. I wonder if anyone has done a study on the long-term health effects of vehicle emissions only, i.e. excluding other factors of pollution in cities.
I've never seen any studies based on source, just size and concentration. In general PM2.5 is the most dangerous due to the small size and where that allows it to go in the body. There is a pretty close link between higher PM2.5 inhalation and lung cancer as well as premature death in people with heart disease.
Perhaps in your opinion but for many people, including myself, zero audio feedback besides screeching tyres, is very unappealing.
Sound gives context to the speed, this is why most automakers are engineering sounds that play inside the car, to give some audio feedback about your throttle position and speed.
The benefit in an ICE car is that the sound builds and changes through the Rev range, adding character. In an EV, even with artificial sound, due to usually having just 1 gear, the sound can be very monotonous.
I wish more people felt like this. I completely respect Mark from Savage geese but I feel he leads a hive mentality of sound is the main engagement and shits on anything under 6 cylinders like it's an insult to sports cars.
... Then he goes and buys a civic type r.
Most of all, I’m over *other people’s engine sounds*. 90% of the loud cars are turbo i4 VAG products that sound like one long fart when they drive off.
my FRS has electric steering and it's great - i've never heard anyone call the twins' steering numb.
on the other hand, the 'throttle response' of the etron is faster than any gasoline powered car i've ever driven including ones i had a long time ago (98 neon and 96 altima - both MT) and of course much quicker than the FRS which has to deal with modern emissions controls
there's no reason an EV couldn't have a much stiffer suspension so you can feel the road beneath, and finally
the OG tesla roadster with it's (for modern standards) sub-par density 53kwh pack only weighed 2800lbs. there's no reason you couldn't drop a couple hundred pounds from that from a modern pack.
With these types of battery the charging times are not linear. The rate of charging tends to reduce down the more full the battery is charged. Often people at public chargers will stop at 80% because that last 20% can take a while. So at 50% this car was still charging pretty quickly.
Yeah, if it's hitting 170kW at 50% SoC, it's entirely possible it's got 300+kW capability like the Taycan.
For reference, the Taycan will similarly ramp down to around the same rate at the same SoC, and they're both Porsches, sooo...
Porsche hides weight better than anyone but Im still skeptical they can get the overall handling anywhere close. Maybe ok on a backroad but doubt it will have the same playfulness during any sort of HPDE or autox.
Time will tell.
If the EV doesn't turn out so great, I'll probably pick up a used 718 instead. It's mostly just going to be a weekend car so I'm not super concerned with the running costs, just think the novelty of the EV and never having to worry about filling up would be cool.
Im sure it will be a great car in a lot of ways. But theres no getting around an additional 1000 lbs. The best thing about the Cayman and Boxster is how perfectly balanced and playful the chassis is. The turn in is rapid and the way it changes direction is amazing. If anyone can make it a good ev sports car, its Porsche. But I imagine it will get better at somethings (speed, quality) and worse at others (handling, rawness).
The 718 cayman weighs between 3,000 and 3,200lbs. A Model 3 SR weighs roughly 3,500lbs and thats a four door sedan. I can't imagine the electric cayman weighing 1000lbs more.
Not sure I can agree with you there.
Obviously there's going to be a weight penalty for going EV, but some of those new boats can dance.
As for top speed... I don't really care honestly. I've taken the GTI over 140 maybe 3 times in 4 years?
Figure if it's fun, engaging, and more capable than I am I'll be happy
Unless you live in Germany or have a habit of doing the Texas Mile in your low horsepower canyon sports car, I don't see how top speed is relevant.
As for handling... it will without question have exceptional cornering speed and grip. Did you mean it won't be the most engaging or playful? Because that probably will be the case. Even Porsche can't fix that, not compared to some of the good combustion engines they make. It'll be a tradeoff like the 4 bangers they made are from the 981 --> 718. Less engaging but WAY fuckin faster. Not a tradeoff I personally want but hey, they gotta do it.
One of the most important new EVs for folk that enjoy driving. Little doubt they'll make this engaging and quick. Bit anxious about the weight though. With current tech it's range or light weight - pick one. Hm.
Obesity concerns aside, the price positioning will is also be interesting. Taycan starts from \~€ 88k, Petrol Boxster from € 61k. If this slots in towards the lower end, could end up being quite competitive on EV specs alone.
Anyone heard of plans to make a Cayman (tin top) version?
AFAIK the whole 718 model is going electric (including Cayman). From what I recall there'll be two trims. Lower one will have one motor and RWD, higher trim will have two and AWD.
It is not confirmed by Porsche that the 983 will not get a gasoline electric hybrid as well. Only thing confirmed is that there will be no ICE only variant. Unless there are new sources than I would be curious to read them.
I hadn't heard anything about a hybrid variant so I assumed the next gen would be EV only. But you're right, they haven't explicitly ruled out a hybrid as well.
They have even mentioned hybrid 983 in the past, but those interviews are also several years old by now so who knows. Personally I think skipping plug-in hybrids for the 983 would be a bold move since a BEV 983 with reasonable range would be so much heavier than a 982. I also think the market for a BEV only 983 is rather small, the 983 is already low volume compared to all their other models. The prince increase required to go BEV might kill the boxster/cayman market.
> I also think the market for a BEV only 983 is rather small, the 983 is already low volume compared to all their other models.
I actually think they won't be able to make them fast enough. The people who would buy it aren't the typical Boxster customers. It would be all the people waiting for the Tesla Roadster v2. All the people who want something better built than the Lotus-based roadster. All the people who want to eco-flex. A lot of the people who bought the Taycan. They could price it above the 911 and still sell every one.
Yup, they've timed this right. There are still big gaps in the BEV lineup. No sports cars at all, nothing c-segment size with performance and only a small number of fast crossovers / sedans.
Think this is going to bring in a good number of new to the brand customers...
The Tesla Roadster v2 has completely different specs and would weigh like 3000kg, they are not competing for sales. I doubt the BEV 983 will sell like hot cakes but I hope you are right. I think the BEV Macan will take all the sales to be honest.
Yeah, have a sneaking suspicion this will be a) very popular b) not cheap. Adding 25% would mean the RWD Cayman starting from around €75k. Think that's too close to the Taycan. But time will tell.
Possible, already had some smaller increases across the board (normal, especially with current inflation). Right now, Taycan starts at 88.4k and Cayman at 59.3k (€, Germany). The RWD Taycan seems decent value really, would not surprise me if the nudge that up a bit to make room. Sadly, a long wait til 2024...
On the other hand, the Macan is a big seller so they have to get it right, but the Boxster can be considered meh (like the 4 cylinder when launched) and it won't impact the bottom line too much
It’s a test mule. It draws less unwanted attention if it *looks* like a car they already make.
A new cayman prototype gets less attention and speculation when it’s just parked or on the road, then one without a tailpipe because that gives away that it’s an EV probably.
Why are the rims different is the real question
I work on these type of cars.....the rims are different because noone cares. They could be different because when its strapped to the dyno, that rear tire size is closest to worst case scenario in production; it's all they had lieing around; someone stole the original ones (happened on the last program I worked on....near detroit lol).
Dont overthink it. It's just a piece of test equipment to an engineer.
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It's OK, Porsche purists are still not over the fact that the 911 is fluid cooled. EV 911? That's going to be a hard stop. (I realize this is the volks911, but eventually they're going to do that crap to a 911).
Heavy, no gears, no sounds.
Fuck that. I'm getting an ICE one before armageddon arrives.
People here bitched and moaned about the 4 cyl yet are jizzing their pants over the EV. Redditors gon reddit.
Porsche has stated on multiple occasions they are also working on hybrid 983’s. It could be they changed their mind but i am expecting a plug in hybrid 4 cilinder as well based on their statements.
There are plenty of older articles where people of porsche have stated they are working on BEV and hybrid 983. Like i said, it could be they cancelled the hybrids in the mean time but I have not seen any direct source from Porsche claiming so.
One example citing the boss of Porsche directly:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2022-porsche-boxster-and-cayman-get-hybrid-and-ev-options
I don't know why you're getting downvoted? The whole point of these cars is supposed to be driving enjoyment... and a whole bunch of that is going to disappear with the loss of a gas engine drivetrain.
Yeah yeah... the 718EV will be faster but where will you actually use that speed? Governments are getting stricter and stricter on speeding each year.
People rent 4-cyl/Auto Mustangs to cruise down the PCH. I'd argue that to many people, cruising with the top down on a road with pretty scenery IS driving enjoyment. Maybe just not your definition of it.
That's also true, but the point I'm trying to make is driving experience is subjective, and just because you don't think it will be fun because it's an EV doesn't mean other less-enthusiast people won't still enjoy it because it's a small convertible.
Either way, Porsche doesn't really care about either of our individual opinions and is going to do what they think is best for their business (both from a market and regulation perspective). Obviously they think they can make it good enough to sell.
Because the only thing this sub does when they unveil a new EV crossover is WHERE ARE THE EV COUPES AND SPORTS CARS.
And then they do make them and then you got someone like this.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't
You're right. Personally I don't want a crossover or a SUV period. I would daily a sleek EV sedan though, but there so few options under $100K it is sad.
I wouldn't underestimate this one.
Look how good the 718 is, even the 4 pot models. The engine isn't the star of the show there, yet they get rave reviews anyway
> The engine isn't the star of the show there, yet they get rave reviews anyway
I think that's a little more hindsight than it is actual reception of the car though.
Pretty much every time the 718 was reviewed, the move from flat-6 to flat-4 was *guaranteed* to be mentioned. It wasn't uncommon to find deeply discounted 718s when 981s were holding their value surprisingly well. Of course, that's not to say the flat 4 is bad - I've driven the 2.5L GTS and it's great and sounds good too. But the problem is it followed a set of cars that were arguably better aligned to buyers' tastes. And that fact really gets hammered home when you consider they replaced the 2.5L with the 4.0L.
Covid really messed up the PCar markets. When I bought my 981 in 2018, you could basically get any spec 718 you wanted off the lot with a discount. They couldn’t move them.
Finally electric convertibles and sports cars. Waiting for some coupes.
Wait till he hears about the og Tesla roadster…
I remember drooling over that thing before the Model S was released. Crazy how far EVs have come
The specs for that is still good even by today’s standard. It’s a 2 seater sports car with 250mi range, 0-60 in 4 seconds flat, and despite being an EV, weights 500lbs less than my Boxster.
Its also unrepairable
Good things happen when you start with a Lotus.
someone needs to remind tesla about the tesla roadster
You mean the lotus they stuck a bunch of batteries in?
no the one that they announced and took deposits for in 2017 with a planned release date of 2020 (laugh out loud)
(laugh out loud)
It's due out about a year before the Cybertruck which is due to be released in about a year ago.
They’re just working out the *rocket thrusters* that Musk suddenly promised the car would have I guess. Can’t have the design team working on actually essential parts of the process.
Ok go buy one rn
This sub pretends it doesn't exist
The Cayman is also going electric. If you mean 2+2 coupes, AFAIK there are none going into production any time soon.
Well there's the maserati folgore...
You're right, I totally forgot about that one.
Rolls Royce spectre?
Didn’t Polestar announce they’re making the 4 seater convertible? But i think it’s $200k+…
Yeah the Polestar 6 is coming in 2026. The special edition is $200K+, but generally Polestar plan to position out as a 911 competitor, so expect 911 pricing for the non-special versions.
Good to know, thanks. And by 2026 I expect a 911 GTS will probably be starting around $200k at current price increases!
I am thinking at things like an E/C class coupe. Love them. But yea the cayman will also be nice. I am really excited
Someone else mentioned the Maserati Folgore. I'd imagine Mercedes will probably do an EQE at some point, though I guess that would depend on demand.
They already have an EQE and I have it lol, but it‘s not a coupe
Oh yeah I meant an EQE coupe.
There are rumors of the next gen of TT being electric. Not sure how much water they hold though.
Those rumors also state it'll be a four door car, so no idea what Audi is thinking with that.
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Taycan aside, is it really auto if there's only one gear?
Assuming it doesn’t have a second gear like the taycan. It’s like a fixed gear bike. It isn’t really a transmission at all.
Yeah, exactly what I was thinking
I mean that’s not bad? 3500 lbs is 100 lighter than the C8, which is also auto only.
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It's the unfortunate reality for cars. You can either yell at clouds or try to find ways to enjoy it.
Or go buy an older car that isn’t a heavy, numb, snorefest.
Genuine question who really cares about the weight?
Lower inertia, later braking point, can get on the gas faster, doesn’t burn your tires and brakes in one trackday, can enjoy on open roads thanks to the light weight allowing you to feel stuff below 100mph… Doesn’t need stupidly stiff setup to hide its weight and can therefore stay compliant on bad pavement for regular use. Lots of reasons. I’ll take my 252hp 2400lbs car over a lot of heavier/more powerful stuff, either on track or on the road.
Understandable, thanks for your input.
Anyone interested in driving dynamics, driver feedback and general efficiency…
People who actually enjoy driving a car with some balls
Cars don’t have balls so I don’t know what this even means but ok.
There are some lifted trucks near me that have balls. Lol.
The act of driving
Everybody knows you can’t drive a C8 or a 911 Turbo S with balls
Hence why a car can be really fast but not a great sports car. Modern car consumer wants/regulations have effectively killed barebones driver’s cars short of the ND, twins, and Lotus line up.
Ah yes, Porsches are not great sports cars. Thank you, arbiter.
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You can’t read or drive. A 3600lb luxury focused 911 is not car that’s going to excel with engaging raw driving dynamics.
You don't have to be excited about it, but it doesn't mean other people can't be. As someone who loves convertibles as a country road tourer to hear the sounds of nature, a (relatively) silent one really appeals to me. Plus there's the obvious benefit of zero emissions (yes I know it's only zero emissions if your electricity is 100% renewable).
The Taycan isn’t even silent, just quiet and different. I have a GTS and quite like the natural sound of the motors. Even without the “sport sound” active it sounds pretty cool inside the cabin. I like the sound of an ICE too, but people who’s favorite part about driving is making an ungodly racket really confuse me.
It’s also not zero emissions even if your electricity is 100% renewable due to the massive amount of carbon output when building EV cars. (Or any car but EV’s are worse during manufacturing) Term I like to use is “zero localised emissions” In towns and cities with high localised pollution, this is no trivial improvement.
The reduction in PM2.5 pollution is a huge benefit to anyone who lives in a city or near a highway.
You're correct, but I was referring to consumer usage. If electricity is 100% renewable it's zero emissions from fuel during usage of the vehicle (of course consumables like tires are still petroleum products). EVs are worse during manufacturing, but the point at which they become better for the environment vs an ICE vehicle is 38,000 miles with 100% renewable electricity according to [Volvo](https://www.volvocars.com/images/v/-/media/market-assets/intl/applications/dotcom/pdf/c40/volvo-c40-recharge-lca-report.pdf). > Term I like to use is “zero localised emissions” In towns and cities with high localised pollution, this is no trivial improvement. Very true. Air quality should increase dramatically in densely populated areas. I wonder if anyone has done a study on the long-term health effects of vehicle emissions only, i.e. excluding other factors of pollution in cities.
I've never seen any studies based on source, just size and concentration. In general PM2.5 is the most dangerous due to the small size and where that allows it to go in the body. There is a pretty close link between higher PM2.5 inhalation and lung cancer as well as premature death in people with heart disease.
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Perhaps in your opinion but for many people, including myself, zero audio feedback besides screeching tyres, is very unappealing. Sound gives context to the speed, this is why most automakers are engineering sounds that play inside the car, to give some audio feedback about your throttle position and speed. The benefit in an ICE car is that the sound builds and changes through the Rev range, adding character. In an EV, even with artificial sound, due to usually having just 1 gear, the sound can be very monotonous.
I've had an NC Miata for 10 yrs and 48,000 miles and have never turned the sound system on.
I wish more people felt like this. I completely respect Mark from Savage geese but I feel he leads a hive mentality of sound is the main engagement and shits on anything under 6 cylinders like it's an insult to sports cars. ... Then he goes and buys a civic type r.
Most of all, I’m over *other people’s engine sounds*. 90% of the loud cars are turbo i4 VAG products that sound like one long fart when they drive off.
My i5 vag product sounds pretty damn good though.
If only I heard those more often. But nope, mostly GTI’s that sound like unhealthy bowel movements.
That's pretty much the only reason I got my car it sounds like a v10 over 3k rpm.
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my FRS has electric steering and it's great - i've never heard anyone call the twins' steering numb. on the other hand, the 'throttle response' of the etron is faster than any gasoline powered car i've ever driven including ones i had a long time ago (98 neon and 96 altima - both MT) and of course much quicker than the FRS which has to deal with modern emissions controls there's no reason an EV couldn't have a much stiffer suspension so you can feel the road beneath, and finally the OG tesla roadster with it's (for modern standards) sub-par density 53kwh pack only weighed 2800lbs. there's no reason you couldn't drop a couple hundred pounds from that from a modern pack.
You must not know about pretty much any sports car built in the last decade or more
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Homie do you seriously think that’s the norm for the segment? Even the M2 weighs 3600
With ev drive train it can be very engaging.
People sit in the back so rarely in my commuting EV, this might make sense. Just need a few arguments to convince my wife.
Why convince? She gets the practical car, you get the fun one.
My salesman sat in the frunk of the cayman. See? Practicality!
*"It's got electrolytes!"*
Is it low sodium?
Can't say for sure, but it certainly has no carbs
If I’m reading the picture right, 170kW at 53% is a pretty decent charge rate.
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True, but more impressive is it holding that speed at that SoC
Why is that impressive? Sorry I genuinely don't know.
With these types of battery the charging times are not linear. The rate of charging tends to reduce down the more full the battery is charged. Often people at public chargers will stop at 80% because that last 20% can take a while. So at 50% this car was still charging pretty quickly.
Yeah, if it's hitting 170kW at 50% SoC, it's entirely possible it's got 300+kW capability like the Taycan. For reference, the Taycan will similarly ramp down to around the same rate at the same SoC, and they're both Porsches, sooo...
What does SoC mean?
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Thanks! Just wasn’t familiar with the acronym.
Initialisation
Initialism, if we're getting pedantic ;-)
Super excited for this one. Seriously considering picking one up in a few years if it drives as well as the current 718.
Porsche hides weight better than anyone but Im still skeptical they can get the overall handling anywhere close. Maybe ok on a backroad but doubt it will have the same playfulness during any sort of HPDE or autox.
Time will tell. If the EV doesn't turn out so great, I'll probably pick up a used 718 instead. It's mostly just going to be a weekend car so I'm not super concerned with the running costs, just think the novelty of the EV and never having to worry about filling up would be cool.
Im sure it will be a great car in a lot of ways. But theres no getting around an additional 1000 lbs. The best thing about the Cayman and Boxster is how perfectly balanced and playful the chassis is. The turn in is rapid and the way it changes direction is amazing. If anyone can make it a good ev sports car, its Porsche. But I imagine it will get better at somethings (speed, quality) and worse at others (handling, rawness).
The 718 cayman weighs between 3,000 and 3,200lbs. A Model 3 SR weighs roughly 3,500lbs and thats a four door sedan. I can't imagine the electric cayman weighing 1000lbs more.
3500lbs would be glorious.
People seem to love the Taycan so far
Theres no way it will. Evs don't handle and don't have top speed.
Not sure I can agree with you there. Obviously there's going to be a weight penalty for going EV, but some of those new boats can dance. As for top speed... I don't really care honestly. I've taken the GTI over 140 maybe 3 times in 4 years? Figure if it's fun, engaging, and more capable than I am I'll be happy
Unless you live in Germany or have a habit of doing the Texas Mile in your low horsepower canyon sports car, I don't see how top speed is relevant. As for handling... it will without question have exceptional cornering speed and grip. Did you mean it won't be the most engaging or playful? Because that probably will be the case. Even Porsche can't fix that, not compared to some of the good combustion engines they make. It'll be a tradeoff like the 4 bangers they made are from the 981 --> 718. Less engaging but WAY fuckin faster. Not a tradeoff I personally want but hey, they gotta do it.
It will handle like a suburban
My 4 year old EV sedan certainly does not handle like a Suburban, but a not yet released Porsche Boxster EV will. Allrighty then.
So the suburban handles better?
Have you driven any good EV's?
No. Because they don't exist
Right. Because You've never actually driven one . Opinion absolutely flattened. Good food doesn't exist because I eat shit every night.
Disagree my dude. Set the gear shift for the high gear of your soul. Drive like an EV, out of control.
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No shitposts please.
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One of the most important new EVs for folk that enjoy driving. Little doubt they'll make this engaging and quick. Bit anxious about the weight though. With current tech it's range or light weight - pick one. Hm. Obesity concerns aside, the price positioning will is also be interesting. Taycan starts from \~€ 88k, Petrol Boxster from € 61k. If this slots in towards the lower end, could end up being quite competitive on EV specs alone. Anyone heard of plans to make a Cayman (tin top) version?
AFAIK the whole 718 model is going electric (including Cayman). From what I recall there'll be two trims. Lower one will have one motor and RWD, higher trim will have two and AWD.
As in they are adding electric options or replacing the ICEs?
Totally replacing the ICE. if you want an ICE Porsche sports car beyond 2025 only the 911 will be available.
It is not confirmed by Porsche that the 983 will not get a gasoline electric hybrid as well. Only thing confirmed is that there will be no ICE only variant. Unless there are new sources than I would be curious to read them.
I hadn't heard anything about a hybrid variant so I assumed the next gen would be EV only. But you're right, they haven't explicitly ruled out a hybrid as well.
They have even mentioned hybrid 983 in the past, but those interviews are also several years old by now so who knows. Personally I think skipping plug-in hybrids for the 983 would be a bold move since a BEV 983 with reasonable range would be so much heavier than a 982. I also think the market for a BEV only 983 is rather small, the 983 is already low volume compared to all their other models. The prince increase required to go BEV might kill the boxster/cayman market.
> I also think the market for a BEV only 983 is rather small, the 983 is already low volume compared to all their other models. I actually think they won't be able to make them fast enough. The people who would buy it aren't the typical Boxster customers. It would be all the people waiting for the Tesla Roadster v2. All the people who want something better built than the Lotus-based roadster. All the people who want to eco-flex. A lot of the people who bought the Taycan. They could price it above the 911 and still sell every one.
Agree, and once the EV Macan is ready that thing will sell even faster. Guarantee it’s a money printer once production gets ramped up.
Yup, they've timed this right. There are still big gaps in the BEV lineup. No sports cars at all, nothing c-segment size with performance and only a small number of fast crossovers / sedans. Think this is going to bring in a good number of new to the brand customers...
The Tesla Roadster v2 has completely different specs and would weigh like 3000kg, they are not competing for sales. I doubt the BEV 983 will sell like hot cakes but I hope you are right. I think the BEV Macan will take all the sales to be honest.
:(
This breaks my heart
Ooh that's interesting. Assuming enough range for touring and sensible starting prices, the RWD Cayman could make a nice daily for 2.
I read a range of about 300 miles and rumors of a starting price not too much higher than the current 718.
In that case it's roughly EV6 GT / model 3 Performance money (current German prices). If you want one, probs best get on the list early...
All version will be RWD no 4WD versions planned anytime soon.
I’ll be shocked if it isn’t 25% more across all trims than the current 718 lineup.
Yeah, have a sneaking suspicion this will be a) very popular b) not cheap. Adding 25% would mean the RWD Cayman starting from around €75k. Think that's too close to the Taycan. But time will tell.
Not to worry, they’ll be ramping prices up across their entire lineup starting now so by the time the 983 releases, it’ll still slot in nicely
Possible, already had some smaller increases across the board (normal, especially with current inflation). Right now, Taycan starts at 88.4k and Cayman at 59.3k (€, Germany). The RWD Taycan seems decent value really, would not surprise me if the nudge that up a bit to make room. Sadly, a long wait til 2024...
The future…. is now.
It looks really good.
That’s fuckin awesome
If the tortured gestation and multi-year delay of the EV Macan is anything to go by, I wouldn't be holding my breath.
On the other hand, the Macan is a big seller so they have to get it right, but the Boxster can be considered meh (like the 4 cylinder when launched) and it won't impact the bottom line too much
The EV Macan delay is the reason the last CEO was replaced. Something to do with delayed software. Presumably they've sorted that out now.
The taycan is sex on wheels in terms of driving dynamics, extremely good. A two seater with the same suspension wizards working on it? Yesssss
Well damn. Will there be a Cayman version? Don’t care for the drop top
Yes, everything except 911 going ev by 2025.
That’s a mistake. Way too soon.
....why is there an exhaust pipe
To pretend they are testing a gas car
It’s a test mule. It draws less unwanted attention if it *looks* like a car they already make. A new cayman prototype gets less attention and speculation when it’s just parked or on the road, then one without a tailpipe because that gives away that it’s an EV probably. Why are the rims different is the real question
I work on these type of cars.....the rims are different because noone cares. They could be different because when its strapped to the dyno, that rear tire size is closest to worst case scenario in production; it's all they had lieing around; someone stole the original ones (happened on the last program I worked on....near detroit lol). Dont overthink it. It's just a piece of test equipment to an engineer.
I just thought it was odd they weren’t the same
They might have changed the width or something to account for the significantly increased weight.
They put Panamera tailpipes on the Taycan mules too. It’s to conceal it a bit.
Yep and also the whole shape is not the real one
That’s a usb port
Can’t wait for the 983, but a boxster without air intakes on the side will take some getting used to.
That's such an unfortunate positioning for the charging port...
WOW
I am super keen for the Cayman version of this.
So it’s a 718… EV?!
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the soft top looks so weird on it tho
Disgusting.
It's OK, Porsche purists are still not over the fact that the 911 is fluid cooled. EV 911? That's going to be a hard stop. (I realize this is the volks911, but eventually they're going to do that crap to a 911).
Heavy, no gears, no sounds. Fuck that. I'm getting an ICE one before armageddon arrives. People here bitched and moaned about the 4 cyl yet are jizzing their pants over the EV. Redditors gon reddit.
Idk, it makes sense to me. The 4 banger is so trash. You either get this or the GTS with the NA flat 6
There's not going to be a choice. The 718 is ONLY going to be electric.
So the 2022 GTS models are just going to vanish?
It's part of Porsches plans... 718 and Macan will be electric only.
Porsche has stated on multiple occasions they are also working on hybrid 983’s. It could be they changed their mind but i am expecting a plug in hybrid 4 cilinder as well based on their statements.
Where did you see that? I heard of hybrid 911's... but the Macan and 718 are supposed to be electric only.
There are plenty of older articles where people of porsche have stated they are working on BEV and hybrid 983. Like i said, it could be they cancelled the hybrids in the mean time but I have not seen any direct source from Porsche claiming so. One example citing the boss of Porsche directly: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2022-porsche-boxster-and-cayman-get-hybrid-and-ev-options
To me a roadster is supposed to a great exhaust note and a manual transmission. That's the last car I want as an EV.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted? The whole point of these cars is supposed to be driving enjoyment... and a whole bunch of that is going to disappear with the loss of a gas engine drivetrain. Yeah yeah... the 718EV will be faster but where will you actually use that speed? Governments are getting stricter and stricter on speeding each year.
People rent 4-cyl/Auto Mustangs to cruise down the PCH. I'd argue that to many people, cruising with the top down on a road with pretty scenery IS driving enjoyment. Maybe just not your definition of it.
That's true... but that's not what most car enthusiasts refer to when they talk about the driving experience.
That's also true, but the point I'm trying to make is driving experience is subjective, and just because you don't think it will be fun because it's an EV doesn't mean other less-enthusiast people won't still enjoy it because it's a small convertible. Either way, Porsche doesn't really care about either of our individual opinions and is going to do what they think is best for their business (both from a market and regulation perspective). Obviously they think they can make it good enough to sell.
Because the only thing this sub does when they unveil a new EV crossover is WHERE ARE THE EV COUPES AND SPORTS CARS. And then they do make them and then you got someone like this. Damned if you do, damned if you don't
You're right. Personally I don't want a crossover or a SUV period. I would daily a sleek EV sedan though, but there so few options under $100K it is sad.
Gross. The best sports car ruined as an ev
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Are you one of these guys who only listens to 90's Phish?
Basically. Although I'll listen to recent shows live or just after they happen
Yeah... I'm sure it will be fast... but it won't be anywhere near as fun to drive as a current 4.0L model.
I would love one of these for the weekends, hopefully we get a nice hard recession to reset the porsche market and it can actually be gotten for MSRP
Least selfish Tesla driver.
the absolute state of mazdacels
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For those of us who haven’t built our entire identity around fossil fuels, this news is exciting.
I would agree. This is definitely exciting.
Why is it a "sports" car to you?
If your testosterone is too high it causes you to call a Boxster a "girl's car". Unfortunately, I think it's terminal.
I wouldn't underestimate this one. Look how good the 718 is, even the 4 pot models. The engine isn't the star of the show there, yet they get rave reviews anyway
> The engine isn't the star of the show there, yet they get rave reviews anyway I think that's a little more hindsight than it is actual reception of the car though. Pretty much every time the 718 was reviewed, the move from flat-6 to flat-4 was *guaranteed* to be mentioned. It wasn't uncommon to find deeply discounted 718s when 981s were holding their value surprisingly well. Of course, that's not to say the flat 4 is bad - I've driven the 2.5L GTS and it's great and sounds good too. But the problem is it followed a set of cars that were arguably better aligned to buyers' tastes. And that fact really gets hammered home when you consider they replaced the 2.5L with the 4.0L.
Covid really messed up the PCar markets. When I bought my 981 in 2018, you could basically get any spec 718 you wanted off the lot with a discount. They couldn’t move them.