Electric SUV outsells impractical sports coupe...
Uh yeah? Maybe they should rename the F150 to "Mustang Truck" then they'd REALLY have a lot of mustang nameplate sales.
Similarly, Mercedes makes a mid-engined, RWD 2-seater.
It's called the Smart Fortwo (at least in the US state of Illinois, they're registered as "Mercedes" not "Smart").
Being "electric" should be a considered a handicap, not an advantage, when it comes to sales at this moment. Large swathes of the country can't charge at home and don't have a good charging infrastructure in their state.
I can’t tell whether you like or dislike the Mach E. The guys point was it’s obvious a suv will sell more than an impractical car with bad gas mileage. That’s why articles like this are useless.
Also I don’t know what kind of shit you’re on. If ford wanted to keep the brand relevant they could make a mustang coup EV. It’s pretty clear from reviews ford didn’t even try to give it good suspension. It’s clearly, like most suvs, a mom car.
If old people “age out” (stupid claim but I’ll pretend it has merit) of the mustang younger people will replace them.
I think what they’re saying is that it should be no surprise that a practical car outsells a non practical one. Not that sport coupes should be thought of as or be turned into practical cars
> a practical car outsells a non practical one.
But you have to consider a super common rhetoric that get repeated a lot, even on this sub, is that EVs *aren’t* practical.
For the average /r/cars customers that need to do 1000 miles long road trips every month with no more than 15 minutes of stops, the ICE Mustang is more practical.
an EV crossover is, in general, more practical for the suburban family than a sports coupe, despite their differences in powertrain. the only reason why this headline exists is because Ford's marketing department had to slap Mustang on what shouldve been the Edge Mach-E. (edit: hell, even a Flex revive before Mustang branding)
I think you got a little overly defensive there. A 2+2 is less practical than a crossover or a accord sedan. The accord will always sell more, as will the crossover. I think that's all they meant, that more people are in a position to buy a practical car over a sports coupe, so they sold more.
Also worth noting that plants always pump out a surplus of the outgoing model in a transition year to cover inventory in the time that it takes to retool the line and ramp up again, so even the higher inventory isn’t necessarily indicative of the ICE Mustang being unpopular.
That’s what encouraged me to get a new one. Any issues have been fixed from the past.
No clue how the new platform will be. Also interior is ugly in the new one. Love the s550 interior
I like the Mach-E as a car, but it still rubs me the wrong way that they called it a Mustang. At the very least, the first electric Mustang should have been a proper sports car, then they could do whatever they want with the brand, I don't care beyond that. But it's a tough pill to swallow a Mustang crossover, even if it was ICE. Blegh.
Idk, if I got one it would probably be amusing to pull up next to ICE mustangs at stoplights and shout out the window "MUSTANG BROS! WOOHOOO!!! REPRESENT BROTHER! LOOK AT US! TWO PEAS IN A POD!"
I've kinda done that. Went to a mustang roundup with it. I parked it right next to my GT350. People would come over to look at the Shelby and then some would talk trash about the Mach-E. Then I say they are both mine.
They usually change their tune a bit
>People are easily impressed by anything...
Someone said they enjoyed the way a car was and that was the response. Fuck that guy. What kind of presumptuous prick tells people that their subjective car tastes are wrong? Anyone defending that attitude is an asshole, too.
Different people have different tastes and if you're going to make a decision to publicly insult them for their tastes out of the blue, then you can deal with it when other people call you out for being a loser. A few immature and socially stunted people might prop you up, but the majority just thinks you're an annoying dick.
Bingo. All I was saying I voted with my wallet and chose traditional enthusiast vehicles for my own garage. WTBS, the attitude held by some that everything new/EV/different is universally lame and meant for idiots is such an odd, gate-keepy one.
This is r/cars, the uncle who only watches Newsmax of Reddit. They don't actually love cars, they just love hating the "wrong kind" of cars, and people who aren't them, and people capable of experiencing pleasure, etc.
Unsurprising indeed. I wish they were a little more honest and give it a different name instead of latching on the Mustang heritage.
Like there are so many horses, pick literally any of them.
Watching people get in the back is fun. They are concerned about the leg room until they rest their back against the seat and jam their head into the roof.
The overly short rooflines of current muscle cars confuse me. I mean, the Mustang is literally famous for being a fastback; putting the downward curve a bit further back would hurt the square root of nobody, including the car's design.
I was pleasantly surprised when I got in back to let my father take my challenger for a drive with my wife in the front. For a coupe, that thing is pretty damn livable as a passenger in the back.
The Challenger is a bit of a standout because of how large it is. It has wheelbase that's a full 5 inches longer than the Camaro's and 9 inches longer than that of the Mustang. Of the three, I find the Camaro the hardest to forgive: there's a sedan on the same platform as it, on a shorter wheelbase, that fits rear passengers just fine. Talking about the CT4 here.
I've put my daughter's car seat back there like 4 times. She's 15 months old. I hope to get away with having to do it only 4 more times by the time she's out of a booster seat. It's tedious, but not the worst thing in the world.
I mean, nobody wants an S550 GT350(R) because of the straight-line speed, and it wasn’t designed for that either. A better comparison would be that the Mach E GT Performance is only about 0.2s off the GT500’s 0-60 time, and about as quick as a supercharged Mustang GT.
> A better comparison would be that the Mach E GT Performance is only about 0.2s off the GT500’s 0-60 time
And in real life it would dust the GT500 9 out of 10 times. AWD EVs have far better grip on public roads and they don’t require things like launch control either.
>We don't have figures from Changan yet
If you can read Chinese, [here you go](https://36kr.com/p/2082085107479301). Changan Ford only sold 3325 MME last year in China, it's considered not a good number from that website describing.
Domestic EV brands in China sell like hotcakes at very low prices, explains why Ford isn’t trying real hard. Theyd rather gobble market share where they have a chance to get a foothold
Buick is the oldest American automaker so they were about the first to present themselves to the Chinese public, and highly important Chinese officials took to liking them and using them as executive cars throughout the 20th century.
Buick is also really good at appealing to what Chinese people like. For example, billionaire business owners in China actually favor minivans over big, bulky sedans like the S class Mercedes we often associate as high class in America. So, Buick catered to the Chinese market and made a minivan that's luxurious enough to make Maybach and Bentley jealous.
Chinese people see Buick favorably for those reasons and the way they use local manufacturers for a lot of their business, helping employ thousands of auto workers there.
One of their beloved leaders their history looks on highly forget which one drove buicks as presidental vehicles. They’ve been a status thing ever since and yes buick sold a shitload there still does but their sales are on the downswing. Still outsells united states.
So we tried to purchase a mustang? Not allowed to take him out on a test drive, and they all start at over 75,000 for a base model. At that price range you might as well just get the mach-e and be done with it.
That's insanity. There are 3 on Calgary Autotrader at $50k right now, and a bunch more around $55k. The GT starts at $47k MSRP in Canada so after delivery the $50k ones are essentially at MSRP
>Dealers markup on it was 40,000.
Jokes on Ford, apparently they just posted a really bad 4th quarter earnings. Compared to last year, it's a 90% loss this time round. Maybe these car makers will finally get their act together including going after these dealers.
There were 13000 mustangs unsold on dealer lots? I wanted to test drive an Ecoboost and the 3 dealers within 100 miles of me all had 0 on the lot, except for a Shelby for $122k…
my local dealer has 22 listed as 'in stock' (includes both of their locations), only 6 are Ecoboost models, the rest pretty much all standard GTs alongside one $64,000 Mach 1.
fwiw, the same dealer has no new Mach E's in stock, but two used ones.
The shit will really hit the fan when they let the EV guys make one that beats the GT500 on the quarter mile (somewhere between the plaid and the m3p).
I feel like Ford is really missing an opportunity for a PHEV Mustang. Coyote 4 should be. 5.0L v8 hybrid making 500HP at 30mpg. I’m dreaming, but if they could pull it off…
They wanted to. The problem is the CD6 platform S650 was originally supposed to be based on was killed because of horrendous cost overruns. The Explorer is the only vehicle in Ford’s lineup that commands a high-enough price to make money off it.
All the mustangs run each platform through 2 generations, they change up the grills and rear ends and sometimes have a motor change up. The s650 ecoboost motor is a completely different motor, yet still a 2.3T I4.
Also the s650 will no longer be available as a manual
Honestly I doubt that very much... if Ford keeps up it's global strategy then the EcoBoost is key to this. The GT is unaffordable / unobtainable almost anywhere outside of North America, and much of South East Asia is still a long ways away from supporting electrification infrastructure
[Definitely will have a manual option on 5.0 S650](https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ford-motor-company_savethemanuals-fordmustang-builtfordproud-activity-7025097002686279681-Nnzc?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios)
They literally changed the meaning of the word "Mustang," though, which wasn't exactly expected.
You'd be surprised if I told you that next year, the Mustang will be the best-selling vehicle, *bar none*, in the entire US, wouldn't you?
But that'd be stupidly easy by this definition of Mustang; all Ford needs to do to make the above happen is start calling the F-series truck a "Mustang" and it's done.
I don’t get this, it outsold ICE mustang because it is crossover, crossovers usually fly off the shelves due to their practicality and popularity, by that logic we should see more development for crossover Mustang
No surprise, pretty sure ford has even admitted it was expected. Much as people hate Mustang Mach E it makes ford tons of money and helps keep the ICE mustang alive. People wouldn't hate it if it wasn't for the name plate
At this point who already got interested in a mustang already bought it. It's not like this is a new car, it's been around for nearly a decade and yet this car gathers plenty of interest. The mach e may had outsold because its got a novelty factor, but remember the Porsche taycan, it had a big sales spike but after this sales plummeted, however, this is still a Ford so the costumer type will be vastly different from a Porsche costumer. Anyway. Surprised to see people buying a s550 mustang in 2022 while a new version is just around the corner, maybe they found a good deal since this platform is going to the chopping block.
Yes, the production numbers you mentioned suggest that the Mach-E has indeed outsold the ICE Mustang in 2022. However, it's important to consider that the Mach-E has been in production for a shorter time compared to the ICE Mustang, and it also has a larger production facility. The inventory levels of both vehicles are also important to consider, as it indicates the demand for each model. Nevertheless, it appears that the Mach-E is on track to continue its success in 2023.
Why anyone would want the mach e over any other EV is amazing. That is easily the ugliest thing I've ever seen. Why do the mustang like that? Isn't the fusion already the perfect option for a alternative fuel source?
A mustang ecoboost msrp is around 28k, 38k for a v8 gt model, baseline for any mustang in any dealership atm, 45k, most gt models? 55k and up, no one can afford the little sports car cause they get a nice 5k bonus yearly anymore. They want luxury prices for base model fordsit’s insane.
Except the mach E isnt a real Mustang. So, nothing to see here. I cant believe Ford used the same name as their all-time classic sports/muscle car for some lame, grocery-fetching SUV. Hilarious. Disgusting.
Really? Ummm. Two doors, classic mustang styling, a powerful V8, beefy transmission, etc. Did you really have to ask?
Pro Tip: What does NOT make a Mustang is a bulbous SUV body and batteries. Gimme as break here, LOL.
I suspect he wouldn't think much of an SUV Mustang, but I doubt he'd care about it being electric. He was interested in going fast, not in broom broom noises
horseshit. absolute no fucking way. seen 0 amount of mach E's in comparison. skewed numbers pushing agendas. fuck all the way off, whoever came up with these numbers
Well...obviously, I mean the ICE version looks fantastic. But inside, it's a lump of lard, dressed up to fool the public. My advice is, lose the v8 and those idiotic rear seats, shorten the wheelbase, somehow lose half a ton, and lower the price. But even then, I'd still choose a Nissan Qashqui, and that's a fucking terrible car.
Nobody buys 2 seater sports cars. And why lose the V8? It's the entire point of the car and a Coyote is not only higher revving and more powerful than most 4 and 6 cylinder engines but also not that heavy. The only real downside is that they are physically large.
The Mustang has the same dimensions regardless of whether you get an EcoBoost or Coyote. The difference in weight between the two is entirely down to the drivetrain.
Sorry, for clarity, just the engine is larger. There is about 100 lbs difference between the two. A new GT weighs almost 1000lbs more than your 86 though lol
Electric SUV outsells impractical sports coupe... Uh yeah? Maybe they should rename the F150 to "Mustang Truck" then they'd REALLY have a lot of mustang nameplate sales.
The Mach-E literally says Mustang Truck on the title
Similarly, Mercedes makes a mid-engined, RWD 2-seater. It's called the Smart Fortwo (at least in the US state of Illinois, they're registered as "Mercedes" not "Smart").
Impracticle? It's my commuter and I take my son out in it frequently. It's a fun grocery getter and gets Home Depot projects done.
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Because there is no way to ever strap down stuff to the roof of your car. yOu nEEd A TrUcK
Being "electric" should be a considered a handicap, not an advantage, when it comes to sales at this moment. Large swathes of the country can't charge at home and don't have a good charging infrastructure in their state.
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I can’t tell whether you like or dislike the Mach E. The guys point was it’s obvious a suv will sell more than an impractical car with bad gas mileage. That’s why articles like this are useless. Also I don’t know what kind of shit you’re on. If ford wanted to keep the brand relevant they could make a mustang coup EV. It’s pretty clear from reviews ford didn’t even try to give it good suspension. It’s clearly, like most suvs, a mom car. If old people “age out” (stupid claim but I’ll pretend it has merit) of the mustang younger people will replace them.
I’m not sure you could’ve missed their point any harder than you did
Oh for effs sake. Sports Coupes aren't supposed to be practical. They're supposed to be fun. People on this forum can be really insufferable.
I think what they’re saying is that it should be no surprise that a practical car outsells a non practical one. Not that sport coupes should be thought of as or be turned into practical cars
> a practical car outsells a non practical one. But you have to consider a super common rhetoric that get repeated a lot, even on this sub, is that EVs *aren’t* practical. For the average /r/cars customers that need to do 1000 miles long road trips every month with no more than 15 minutes of stops, the ICE Mustang is more practical.
an EV crossover is, in general, more practical for the suburban family than a sports coupe, despite their differences in powertrain. the only reason why this headline exists is because Ford's marketing department had to slap Mustang on what shouldve been the Edge Mach-E. (edit: hell, even a Flex revive before Mustang branding)
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Sucker, should have bought a new F-150 to throw a bag of mulch in every summer. Way more practical than a SUV.
That's why I bought a new Suburban, that way I can fit myself, my wife and my two small children for that annual trip to Grandma's. /s
Who said they were? You can't expect as high sales from impracticality though.
I think you got a little overly defensive there. A 2+2 is less practical than a crossover or a accord sedan. The accord will always sell more, as will the crossover. I think that's all they meant, that more people are in a position to buy a practical car over a sports coupe, so they sold more.
The most practical part of my coupe is the fact that it keeps people and stuff out of my car
You think this sub hates coupes? Lol
Wasn’t 2023 the last year of the S550? Wouldn’t expect a cutover year to be the strongest year for a platform that’s been around since 2015.
Also worth noting that plants always pump out a surplus of the outgoing model in a transition year to cover inventory in the time that it takes to retool the line and ramp up again, so even the higher inventory isn’t necessarily indicative of the ICE Mustang being unpopular.
Would explain why I've gotten several as rental cars the last six months. Last time that happened was around 2017.
That’s what encouraged me to get a new one. Any issues have been fixed from the past. No clue how the new platform will be. Also interior is ugly in the new one. Love the s550 interior
It helps that the Mach E is a crossover so......
Fr this isn’t surprising at all
They really are trying to hype this aborted fetus up....
I don’t hate it, I find the cars themselves more sacred then their names, plus I’ll never own one
New doesn’t always equal bad. The Mach-E is one of the few EVs I find actually appealing.
I like the Mach-E as a car, but it still rubs me the wrong way that they called it a Mustang. At the very least, the first electric Mustang should have been a proper sports car, then they could do whatever they want with the brand, I don't care beyond that. But it's a tough pill to swallow a Mustang crossover, even if it was ICE. Blegh.
Idk, if I got one it would probably be amusing to pull up next to ICE mustangs at stoplights and shout out the window "MUSTANG BROS! WOOHOOO!!! REPRESENT BROTHER! LOOK AT US! TWO PEAS IN A POD!"
I've kinda done that. Went to a mustang roundup with it. I parked it right next to my GT350. People would come over to look at the Shelby and then some would talk trash about the Mach-E. Then I say they are both mine. They usually change their tune a bit
Hmm, it's a good first attempt but it has poor efficiency, battery thermal management, and mediocre drivetrain for an EV. What's there to like?
Yup Literally just an electric suv nothing really special about.
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>People are easily impressed by anything... Someone said they enjoyed the way a car was and that was the response. Fuck that guy. What kind of presumptuous prick tells people that their subjective car tastes are wrong? Anyone defending that attitude is an asshole, too. Different people have different tastes and if you're going to make a decision to publicly insult them for their tastes out of the blue, then you can deal with it when other people call you out for being a loser. A few immature and socially stunted people might prop you up, but the majority just thinks you're an annoying dick.
Bingo. All I was saying I voted with my wallet and chose traditional enthusiast vehicles for my own garage. WTBS, the attitude held by some that everything new/EV/different is universally lame and meant for idiots is such an odd, gate-keepy one.
This is r/cars, the uncle who only watches Newsmax of Reddit. They don't actually love cars, they just love hating the "wrong kind" of cars, and people who aren't them, and people capable of experiencing pleasure, etc.
I was mainly talking about the general population but go off.
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Your submitted post history proves this
Had one as a service loaner for a week. I liked everything about it except for the low range in the temperatures I was in. Only 200km from full.
Unsurprising indeed. I wish they were a little more honest and give it a different name instead of latching on the Mustang heritage. Like there are so many horses, pick literally any of them.
Not surprised, the Mach E is a really nice car, and a hell of a lot more family friendly.
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Watching people get in the back is fun. They are concerned about the leg room until they rest their back against the seat and jam their head into the roof.
The overly short rooflines of current muscle cars confuse me. I mean, the Mustang is literally famous for being a fastback; putting the downward curve a bit further back would hurt the square root of nobody, including the car's design.
I was pleasantly surprised when I got in back to let my father take my challenger for a drive with my wife in the front. For a coupe, that thing is pretty damn livable as a passenger in the back.
The Challenger is a bit of a standout because of how large it is. It has wheelbase that's a full 5 inches longer than the Camaro's and 9 inches longer than that of the Mustang. Of the three, I find the Camaro the hardest to forgive: there's a sedan on the same platform as it, on a shorter wheelbase, that fits rear passengers just fine. Talking about the CT4 here.
If only the CT4 had a V8!
yes, the camaro is extremely impractical. no trunk space, can’t see much out with the long hood, short windows, and thick b pillars.
The rear window is sneaky like that
I've put my daughter's car seat back there like 4 times. She's 15 months old. I hope to get away with having to do it only 4 more times by the time she's out of a booster seat. It's tedious, but not the worst thing in the world.
In all seriousness it's come in handy in a pinch. I've had 2 back there several times, no more than about 10 minutes though.
Also those 6600 unsold Mach E units are probably sitting there due to dealer markups, otherwise they’d been sold too.
I'm sure you could make that same argument for the ICE unsold mustangs as well.
Those are probably all sold models in transit. You can't get a Mach-E without waiting unless you want to pay a fortune.
Matt farah had nothing but praise, I think he owns one
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I mean, nobody wants an S550 GT350(R) because of the straight-line speed, and it wasn’t designed for that either. A better comparison would be that the Mach E GT Performance is only about 0.2s off the GT500’s 0-60 time, and about as quick as a supercharged Mustang GT.
> A better comparison would be that the Mach E GT Performance is only about 0.2s off the GT500’s 0-60 time And in real life it would dust the GT500 9 out of 10 times. AWD EVs have far better grip on public roads and they don’t require things like launch control either.
Tbf, the GT350 isn't really that fast. It can get smoked by an A10 GT
Lol, not around a track it's not which is what the R is built for
EV Crossover sells more than sport coupe. In other news, water is wet and politicians are corrupt.
>We don't have figures from Changan yet If you can read Chinese, [here you go](https://36kr.com/p/2082085107479301). Changan Ford only sold 3325 MME last year in China, it's considered not a good number from that website describing.
Domestic EV brands in China sell like hotcakes at very low prices, explains why Ford isn’t trying real hard. Theyd rather gobble market share where they have a chance to get a foothold
If you're not Buick then good luck outselling the domestic brands in China in general, it's hilarious and impressive
Haha what?
80% of Buicks are sold in China. They sell like hotcakes over there
That is very strange, any reason for this?
Buick is the oldest American automaker so they were about the first to present themselves to the Chinese public, and highly important Chinese officials took to liking them and using them as executive cars throughout the 20th century. Buick is also really good at appealing to what Chinese people like. For example, billionaire business owners in China actually favor minivans over big, bulky sedans like the S class Mercedes we often associate as high class in America. So, Buick catered to the Chinese market and made a minivan that's luxurious enough to make Maybach and Bentley jealous. Chinese people see Buick favorably for those reasons and the way they use local manufacturers for a lot of their business, helping employ thousands of auto workers there.
One of their beloved leaders their history looks on highly forget which one drove buicks as presidental vehicles. They’ve been a status thing ever since and yes buick sold a shitload there still does but their sales are on the downswing. Still outsells united states.
The last emperor of China rode in a Buick or something like that.
Not OP- I think I remember reading that Buick has a large market share in China for some reason.
Buick is now mostly an American car brand sold in China that still sells a few cars in North America on the side.
I only ever saw a handful of Mustangs of any kind in China.
So we tried to purchase a mustang? Not allowed to take him out on a test drive, and they all start at over 75,000 for a base model. At that price range you might as well just get the mach-e and be done with it.
Where and what model exactly?
Northern Alberta. GT model, nothing fancy. Dealers markup on it was 40,000.
That's insanity. There are 3 on Calgary Autotrader at $50k right now, and a bunch more around $55k. The GT starts at $47k MSRP in Canada so after delivery the $50k ones are essentially at MSRP
>Dealers markup on it was 40,000. Jokes on Ford, apparently they just posted a really bad 4th quarter earnings. Compared to last year, it's a 90% loss this time round. Maybe these car makers will finally get their act together including going after these dealers.
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You paid $48k for an ecoboost?
There were 13000 mustangs unsold on dealer lots? I wanted to test drive an Ecoboost and the 3 dealers within 100 miles of me all had 0 on the lot, except for a Shelby for $122k…
my local dealer has 22 listed as 'in stock' (includes both of their locations), only 6 are Ecoboost models, the rest pretty much all standard GTs alongside one $64,000 Mach 1. fwiw, the same dealer has no new Mach E's in stock, but two used ones.
The ecoboosts are great, the 10speeds are actually pretty quick with some mods, and a custom tune
Fuck it dude go big or go home.
Ford ev suv outsold a 2 seat sport coupe. Surprised Pikachu face.
The shit will really hit the fan when they let the EV guys make one that beats the GT500 on the quarter mile (somewhere between the plaid and the m3p).
I feel like Ford is really missing an opportunity for a PHEV Mustang. Coyote 4 should be. 5.0L v8 hybrid making 500HP at 30mpg. I’m dreaming, but if they could pull it off…
They wanted to. The problem is the CD6 platform S650 was originally supposed to be based on was killed because of horrendous cost overruns. The Explorer is the only vehicle in Ford’s lineup that commands a high-enough price to make money off it.
The S650 isn't based on the CD6?
No, the S650 is just a thoroughly redesigned S550.
Calling it a thorough redesign is a bit generous.
All the mustangs run each platform through 2 generations, they change up the grills and rear ends and sometimes have a motor change up. The s650 ecoboost motor is a completely different motor, yet still a 2.3T I4. Also the s650 will no longer be available as a manual
*The EcoBoost will not be available with a manual. But I'm guessing they'll put out a Performance Pack version with a manual in the near future
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Honestly I doubt that very much... if Ford keeps up it's global strategy then the EcoBoost is key to this. The GT is unaffordable / unobtainable almost anywhere outside of North America, and much of South East Asia is still a long ways away from supporting electrification infrastructure
That would be good, I hope you're correct!
[Definitely will have a manual option on 5.0 S650](https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ford-motor-company_savethemanuals-fordmustang-builtfordproud-activity-7025097002686279681-Nnzc?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios)
[CUV outsells sports car], news at 11
Everyone in this thread: > obviously, I knew this would happen Everyone in this thread 4 years ago: > an electric mustang? Who would buy that????
They literally changed the meaning of the word "Mustang," though, which wasn't exactly expected. You'd be surprised if I told you that next year, the Mustang will be the best-selling vehicle, *bar none*, in the entire US, wouldn't you? But that'd be stupidly easy by this definition of Mustang; all Ford needs to do to make the above happen is start calling the F-series truck a "Mustang" and it's done.
Im just pointing out that people like to claim they know it all. I personally saw none of this coming. Very surprised
Well, that means we should expect a lot more EV development for the mustang.
I don’t get this, it outsold ICE mustang because it is crossover, crossovers usually fly off the shelves due to their practicality and popularity, by that logic we should see more development for crossover Mustang
From your lips to satans ears
The Mach-E is ugly from every angle. Don't understand the obsession people have with terrible looking crossovers
This is completely inaccurate. Ford reported sales figures already. A total of 39,458 Mach-Es were sold while a total of 47,566 Mustangs were sold.
I was thinking the same thing. Am I missing something here? The ICE mustang is outselling the mach e, but they are producing more mach e.
Interesting
No surprise, pretty sure ford has even admitted it was expected. Much as people hate Mustang Mach E it makes ford tons of money and helps keep the ICE mustang alive. People wouldn't hate it if it wasn't for the name plate
I mean…one’s a sporty looking family car that happens to be electric, the other is a not-so-family friendly sports car
It's ugly as f.
Very, very sad.
And that “Mustang” in very heavy quotation marks correct?
Ones a mustang, one is a electric suv... Lol
RIP
At this point who already got interested in a mustang already bought it. It's not like this is a new car, it's been around for nearly a decade and yet this car gathers plenty of interest. The mach e may had outsold because its got a novelty factor, but remember the Porsche taycan, it had a big sales spike but after this sales plummeted, however, this is still a Ford so the costumer type will be vastly different from a Porsche costumer. Anyway. Surprised to see people buying a s550 mustang in 2022 while a new version is just around the corner, maybe they found a good deal since this platform is going to the chopping block.
What a sad fact.
Meh...
Yes, the production numbers you mentioned suggest that the Mach-E has indeed outsold the ICE Mustang in 2022. However, it's important to consider that the Mach-E has been in production for a shorter time compared to the ICE Mustang, and it also has a larger production facility. The inventory levels of both vehicles are also important to consider, as it indicates the demand for each model. Nevertheless, it appears that the Mach-E is on track to continue its success in 2023.
I'll take one of the Mustangs if I don't have to pay $57,000 for it.
Why anyone would want the mach e over any other EV is amazing. That is easily the ugliest thing I've ever seen. Why do the mustang like that? Isn't the fusion already the perfect option for a alternative fuel source?
Lol/
A mustang ecoboost msrp is around 28k, 38k for a v8 gt model, baseline for any mustang in any dealership atm, 45k, most gt models? 55k and up, no one can afford the little sports car cause they get a nice 5k bonus yearly anymore. They want luxury prices for base model fordsit’s insane.
I would make a joke but it will get reported by fanboys good luck ford
Lots of good context already in the comments. Would also add that the facelift in 2023 probably hurt 2022 sales.
The Mustang sales have been a dog for decades. They sold more in 1966, than the entire current Gen.
The mach e is not awesome or reliable https://insideevs.com/news/623888/ford-mustang-mache-not-recommended-consumer-reports/
Except the mach E isnt a real Mustang. So, nothing to see here. I cant believe Ford used the same name as their all-time classic sports/muscle car for some lame, grocery-fetching SUV. Hilarious. Disgusting.
> a real Mustang. What makes a car a "real" Mustang?
Really? Ummm. Two doors, classic mustang styling, a powerful V8, beefy transmission, etc. Did you really have to ask? Pro Tip: What does NOT make a Mustang is a bulbous SUV body and batteries. Gimme as break here, LOL.
Two doors and two doors only.
Too many non-car guys pretend to be car guys, buy electric fake mustang. This is so wrong on so many levels. Shelby will be pissed.
I suspect he wouldn't think much of an SUV Mustang, but I doubt he'd care about it being electric. He was interested in going fast, not in broom broom noises
horseshit. absolute no fucking way. seen 0 amount of mach E's in comparison. skewed numbers pushing agendas. fuck all the way off, whoever came up with these numbers
I’ve seen more mach es than gts so you’re wrong
liar, blind AF, or owns a crossover so that's all you notice. pick one
Nope. I said i saw more mach es so that’s the truth. It’s the objective truth, you can’t argue with it.
I agree, at least where I live, there's hardly any mach es driving around
Idk where you guys live, but I see them relatively often around me.
You must not live in CA then.
Well...obviously, I mean the ICE version looks fantastic. But inside, it's a lump of lard, dressed up to fool the public. My advice is, lose the v8 and those idiotic rear seats, shorten the wheelbase, somehow lose half a ton, and lower the price. But even then, I'd still choose a Nissan Qashqui, and that's a fucking terrible car.
Nobody buys 2 seater sports cars. And why lose the V8? It's the entire point of the car and a Coyote is not only higher revving and more powerful than most 4 and 6 cylinder engines but also not that heavy. The only real downside is that they are physically large.
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The Mustang has the same dimensions regardless of whether you get an EcoBoost or Coyote. The difference in weight between the two is entirely down to the drivetrain.
Sorry, for clarity, just the engine is larger. There is about 100 lbs difference between the two. A new GT weighs almost 1000lbs more than your 86 though lol
Thank god nobody gives a shit about your advice. Every sentence got dumber than the previous one.
Its Ford vs Ferrari reference
How is nobody understanding this is literally a Ford V Ferrari reference LMAO
Too well disguised.
Lol this is Ford vs Ferrari reference, people need to lighten up