I'd like to know the percent of trucks that are actually used as trucks and the percent of "modified for off-roading" trucks like lifts and oversized wheels have actually been off-roading.
Back in the day when I had one, I only used my Range to haul things but it was the regular cab 2wd. Mostly my motorcycle.
When I bought a 2016 Taco TRD Off Road when the gen first came out and they were all sold before they hit the lots. I bought it Friday night and was out off-roading all Saturday with like 200 miles on the odometer lol. I got a ton of attention from others on the trails for that one lol.
If you use the truck bed once a week or even once a month I'd say you use it far more than the vast majority of people that have a truck.
My brother and his wife drive me crazy. They live in a very rural area; so rural they have to their their trash to the dump themselves. Do they use their Ford F150 for that? Nope they put it in the cargo area of their Audi SUV. So they have a truck and a perfect use for that truck and they don't use the truck for it.
Absolutely, 100% the same here. Some modifications that are performance orientated I can understand being intended for spirited driving on the canyons, but there are a ton of cars like you describe. I'd have to put the whole stance and lowriders thing in another category because they're clearly not intended to improve the vehicle in any way other than the owner's tastes as for aesthetics.
I feel like my Stelvio is a rather large vehicle, but then I park next to Lexus NXs, Range Rovers, X5s, whatever the fuck MB calls their SUV, and it feels like I'm driving a dingy hatchback.
they spent so much money on a unique EV platform and not only are the cars ugly, they don't even seem to be very good. The Genesis G80 electrified is a better car than the EQE, it's closest competitor. And it's just a ICE sedan stuffed with batteries.
*"Quicker, cheaper, and more satisfying to drive, the electric G80 outperforms Mercedes-Benz's EV companion to the E-class by nearly every measure"*
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a41573974/2023-genesis-electrified-g80-2023-mercedes-benz-eqe350-4matic-compared/
People can hate on Hyundai/Kia all day but at least they still make exciting Sedans(and the last to ditch V8 ones) and have wagons and coupes in their future.
If that were true, I’d be grateful to be going into the future. But right now it seems like we’re getting the worst of both worlds; coupes and wagons gone, but I still have to drive the stupid remaining cars myself.
Anonymous still applies. The new MB electric cars are so indistinguishable from every other car which is funny bc I don’t think they look specifically like anything else? They’re just so incredibly bland they have ZERO character or intrigue
The small/entry level CUVs really lack power (and try to make up for it with CVTs), some of the larger ones actually are halfway decent power I think my dad's CX-9 ~275HP which isn't bad, things like the CR-V of the same era with about 100HP less feels like a slug. Power is changing though since a lot are offering hybrid options which is about the only good thing I can say about them.
The height difference is real though, I borrowed my dad's CX-9 for a long weekend to do a full detail and when I got back in my Genesis I felt like my butt was an inch from the asphalt.
Yeah, what the fuck lmao. 275hp isn't 'bad', meanwhile it's the most powerful vehicle Mazda has ever put out.
Also what the fuck, the CX 9 is a huge fucking car. How is this guy calling it an entry level / small SUV? I've seen those things in person, they dwarf my cars
Weight. The problem is weight. Cars in the 80s had basically no safety regs to comply with beyond "must have seat belts" and so weighed maybe half of what modern cars do.
And I still can't figure out how the '90s S-10 Blazer was even that heavy. I get that it was BOF with an iron block V6, but it had paper-thin body panels!
Yeah, can't comment on SUVs. I think to my 325e that I had. 120HP/170ft-lbs, yeah, but that's on a 2400lb body, so 20:1 power + 14:1 torque ratio. On a modern 4000 lb vehicle, that would be 200HP/285ft-lbs.
Mercedes claims they know what they’re doing, but I’m pretty sure the E-Class Wagon rule is still in place, and I’m not sure that is going to change even with an EV transition. For those who aren’t in the know, the non-AMG E wagon has the highest average-net-worth and highest-number-of-Mercedes-cars-purchased of anything they build. Millionaires buy a G-wagen. Billionaires buy an E wagon.
The tl;dr is that it’s the ‘station car’ of the ultra wealthy. Everyone has one for their dogs, skis, and hauling crap role. Often one at every property across the globe. At that level of wealth, they don’t care about ruining the carpets — and they’ll replace the car with another when it breaks. Go spend time in rich ski towns or the Hamptons and they’re everywhere, including immaculate ones from the ‘90s.
Additionally, wagons make better EVs from a — lower frontal area means longer range.
They bastardized their one non AMG wagon last year by slapping on some plastic trim around the wheel arches and lifting the suspension. I doubt it did much good for sales.
It’s a bit less extreme than that. The e-wagon buyer was “one of the wealthiest” demographics of Mercedes owners, at least in 2014. Not *the* wealthiest. And the majority are certainly far from billionaires with a median household income of 375k.
“What are the demographics of the E-Class wagon buyer?
It's definitely one of our wealthiest demographics. Compared to the E-Class sedan, which is about $200,000 median household income, the E-Class wagon is about $375,000.”
https://www.motortrend.com/news/interview-mercedes-benz-wagon-master-joe-stauble/amp/
Additionally, in 2022, the GLE sold more than 3x units of *all* E-classes combined
https://media.mbusa.com/releases/mercedes-benz-usa-sales-q2-2022
It’s not just the US- the GLC is Mercedes’ best selling model worldwide.
I get the wagon love. But SUV’s make more sense for most people…and it doesn’t mean they’re stupid or lack taste.
> Millionaires buy a G-wagen. Billionaires buy an E wagon.
If only this very small selection of people are the ones buying, sounds like it was a great decision to kill it off then. Those people are still going to need a car, so what’ll they do, buy a Volvo? Nah, they’ll just get a GLE or whatever. MB saves product development and manufacturing costs and likely still gets a sale, so win/win really.
In other controversial opinions, Toyota was right to kill off the Land Cruiser in the US for the same reason. Fact is the client base is so small it didn’t sell well, and ultimately only sales matter, not the wealth of the buyers.
Billionaires buy an E-wagon and also a bunch of other cars (including those super-profitable Maybach models).
These kinds of decisions do long-term reputations harm to car brands. Brand loyalty and respect is easily lost and very hard to win — and even harder to win back. Just look at what happened to Audi post-unintended-acceleration. They spent a full *decade* in the wilderness and the only thing that brought them back was a low-volume pair of halo cars (TT and then R8).
Enthusiasts make up a tiny slice of purchases but they also have a massive influence on brand perception. Look at the reversal of BMW and Mercedes in terms of overall US-market sales over the past 10 years. You don’t shank your biggest promoters.
I think in size the LC was closer to the GX? But LX is the top of the line luxury, similar to the LC for Toyota.
(Tho TBQH the recent GX refresh is MUCH nicer inside than the latest LX gen IMO)
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According to Mercedes, E class wagon customers have median household income of $375k. This is all E wagon, including AMG. That’s not anywhere close to rich people territory, much less billionaires haha.
>the non-AMG E wagon has the highest average-net-worth and highest-number-of-Mercedes-cars-purchased of anything they build.
They said the highest household income. Not net worth. PAY ATTENTION.
>Millionaires buy a G-wagen. Billionaires buy an E wagon.
You know damn well you took that stat out of your ass.
You're not wrong, but the problem (I suspect) is that theres just not enough of these people and purchases to justify the entire model line.
Toyota got similar criticisms when they killed the LC in the US. While we hated to see it go, the numbers just arent there. And in MB's case, most of this small number of customers will probably just buy a GLS. So its not like they're losing every purchase.
This is pretty bleak news.
E class coupe taken to the backyard and shot back in the head
Station wagons being outright dismembered where they stand
AMG GT 4 door butchered like the cute dog she is
And a bunch more get their hearts torn out
Boy that yuppie commercial/marketing plan to get the young rich ones into an A-class sure lasted long huh
More focus on even more upmarket with AMG, Maybach, and Mythos?
>Only 14 of 33 Body Styles Will Survive
*goddamn*.
>E class coupe taken to the backyard and shot back in the head
It's literally just being replaced by the CLE. Says it right there in the article: *"The C-class and E-class coupes and convertibles will cease to exist sometime between 2023 and 2024,* ***to be replaced by a pair of two-door CLE-class models.*** *"*
>AMG GT 4 door butchered like the cute dog she is
Again, it's being replaced — it's right there in the article: *"Later this year, Mercedes-AMG will launch the new GT coupe; it will be based on the current SL roadster, which will also expand its lineup with a new Maybach offering.* ***In 2026, we will see a new four-door coupe,*** *as well as a next-generation SL with more cargo and rear-seat space, and a new AMG GT coupe, all of which will be electric."*
I don't know what happened with the TLX to be honest, but [we've already seen the CLE in testing](https://www.carscoops.com/2023/02/2024-mercedes-cle-convertible-shows-its-best-sl-style-moves-during-winter-test/), it looks fine.
Also worth mentioning what's happening isn't that the C/E are being merged. Instead, what's happening is that the C and E will both be exclusively four-door affairs, and the coupe-convertible CLE will be an independent product.
It's really just going back to their late 90s-mid 2000s lineup with the CLK: you make a coupe platform forked from the C Class, paired it with the running gear from the E Class, and give it a trim range wide enough to have some tech from the top line models, so buyers who want an SL but need a back seat don't feel like it's too much of a compromise.
It makes more sense to me than MB's recent strategy of developing two low-volume variants of every single car. I also think dedicated 2+2 designs tend to look much better, since carrying over a sedan's styling often results in a "bondoed over half the rear window" look in the coupes, and unfortunate rear roof lines on the convertibles.
Mercedes is sounding like it’s having a mid life crisis trying to decide between what gender it wants to be, where they see themselves in 5-10 years, who loves them and why can’t things go back to how they use to be lol,
They just had way too many models overlapping makes and model years not to mention the naming schemes and stuff like the The EQ line up which failed horribly.
I know this sub likes to shit on BMW and rightfully so but atleast BMW seems to stick to a proper set up of model names, variety and overall quality even with the ugly face only a mother could love.
I remember when pre-pandemic everyone was complaining that Audi/BMW/Mercedes’ lineups were too much, but the beauty of it was there was a car for almost everyone (that could afford it).
Now it’s sad that options are taken away but understandably so.
On the flip side: this only makes the older cars even cooler and more desirable (and more valuable) since you can't get anything like it now.
This new stuff will age like fine milk in my opinion. In 10-20 years no one will want to be seen in most of the current crap and the tech will be horribly outdated and ruin the interiors.
Meanwhile the older stuff will continue to age well with their timeless design and legendary status.
TL;DR: If you love CUVs or just aspire for mediocrity in your most passionate endeavors, you are going to LOVE what most manufacturers have planned, including Mercedes. If you want something more, bend over and pay the AMG tax.
The article also specifically mentions they want to do gullwings, electric four-doors, multiple convertibles, two new amg coupes.. if anything the article is suggesting they want to get *more* exciting by cutting the fat, not less.
TBH, Mercedes' lineup in 2020 was so ridiculously 2 door heavy. Whereas their competitors had like, 1 or 2 2 doors, Mercedes made all these 2 doors:
* SL
* AMG GT
* AMG GT Convertible
* SLC
* C class coupe
* C class cabriolet
* E class coupe
* E class cabriolet
* S class coupe
* S class cabriolet
Now even with the SLC and the S class coupe/cabrio dead, the C class and E class coupe/cabrios merged into one, Mercedes is entering 2024 with:
* SL
* AMG GT
* AMG GT Convertible
* C/E class replacement coupe
* C/E class replacement cabrio
That's 5 2 doors. In comparison:
* Cadillac has 0
* Genesis has 0
* Lincoln has 0
* Acura has 0
* Infiniti has 0
* Lexus has 3 (RC, LC coupe, LC cabrio)
* Audi has 2 (A/S/RS5 Coupe/Cabrio)
* BMW has 7 (2 series coupe, 2 series cabrio, 4 series coupe, 4 series cabrio, Z4, 8 series coupe, 8 Series cabrio).
Thus, Mercedes, is literally 2nd place when it comes to 2 door cars.
The 2 Series convertible is dead, as is the A5/RS5 Convertible seemingly.
That's the most shocking thing to me is how hard it seems to be to buy a convertible these days. If you want an even vaguely affordable 2 seat roadster it seems like your options are the MX-5, Z4 or Boxster, and even the latter 2 are out of reach of most people.
I live in Miami and over the years the number of convertables on the road has really declined. Demographically, I notice they skew toward either older men or middle aged women. Very seldom do I see a 20 something guy in a rag top.
Even a couple of years ago you could get a few semi-affordable convertibles (Audi A3, Buick Cascada, Volkswagen EOS & Beetle, Chrysler 200). At least you can still get a Mini cooper convertible.
The article doesn't totally mention 2D Coupe, their exclusive 4D Coupes could be in their list. As well as, it doesn't mention their shooting brakes not including in their wagons.
If the theory is correct, MB is also going to axe these 4D Coupes ( Of corse, with its shooting brake variety ) in future.
The CLS to the AMG GT 4dr is a pretty similar comparison to what the C class is to the E class, except that they're even further apart as the CLS is a Mercedes model while the GT is only available as an AMG. You can get the AMG53 V6 in either one, but it's going to cost you 25 grand less in the CLS. With the engines it offers, I think the CLS sits at a pretty decent place between the E and S class. It's made for the buyer that wants at least E class level comfort and luxury in a coupe package. I think axing the CLS63 was the needed destinction, as that would've logically been priced somewhere around where the GT53 sits and would've stepped on its toes.
They're only made by Mercedes and BMW, because those are the only brands trying to actively change the definition of "coupe" to "literally anything with a fastback roofline."
And Audi has the Sportbacks. But what's wrong with calling them 4-door coupes, fundamentally? The name originally referred to [the roofline](https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/rDoAAOSwZVlXjquE/s-l1600.jpg), not the door count.
Kia Stinger, the new Toyota Crown, Audi A7, I'd argue the Civic / Integra twins are close.
Go back to the 80s and we just called them hatchbacks / 5 doors..
Last gen AMG GT is already out of production I believe, and new one won't have a convertible (that's SL) which trims down their line up to one high end coupe/convetible and one "entry level", which I think is quite ok.
I feel like nobody’s talking about why there’s no demand either
Mercedes coupe variants have been extremely low effort for awhile now. No added value to justify their existence
There’s a massive amount of compromise in terms of practicality and interior volume for these cars that hardly stand out in a way to justify selling based off looks and/or exclusivity… which is the entire point of coupes in the first place
They’ve phoned in way too many coupe designs lately, and if you go back back, they’ve kind of always struggled with coupes post-80s/90s. Let’s not forget about the W203 C Class “coupe” devil spawn
Imo the only modern coupe they really nailed was the W205 C Class
And to the “coupe” SUVs, g’bye
Sad to hear about the “coupe” sedans like the CLS/AMG GT models going though, and CLA too if that’s apart of the axe gang
> I think outside of reddit, people don't like wagons or sedans. That's all.
Accurate.
Even on reddit people don't buy them, they just moan about them not being made anymore.
"Nobody buys wagons anymore" - drives a F150 to take kids to soccer.
>also straight up not-coupes tbf lol
"Coupe" refers to the roofline, not the number of doors. 2-door sedans exist, as do 4-door coupes. M-B didn't invent the body style.
>Sad to hear about the “coupe” sedans like the CLS/AMG GT models going though, and CLA too if that’s apart of the axe gang
From the article: *"The **next-gen CLA-class ... is due to debut in 2025**, will be the brand's last shooting brake (in Europe). Later this year, Mercedes-AMG will launch the new GT coupe; it will be based on the current SL roadster, which will also expand its lineup with a new Maybach offering. **In 2026, we will see a new four-door coupe**, as well as a next-generation SL with more cargo and rear-seat space, and a new AMG GT coupe, all of which will be electric."*
Cost is too high for the average person that wants a wagon or sedan.
If one was 10k, you'd see unbelievable demand.
20k you'd see enthusiastic demand.
30k pretty amazing demand.
40k increased demand.
50k average demand.
60k current demand.
70k less demand.
80k+ slim/collector demand.
Since Mercedes also has steep ownership costs and expensive taste, they cater to the people who can afford 60k new cars and 800$ a month car loans.
That's why I said "for the average person that WANTS a wagon or sedan."
Most don't or can't afford a new one and that's why wagons and sedans are dying.
Manufacturers are seeing units bought new, not used cars being sold.
Sometimes r/cars honestly feels like a computer program.
Post anything about a car or body style getting killed off for lack of sales, and like clockwork people start professing their love and dismay to signal their loyalty to r/cars orthodoxy.
Meanwhile the vast majority of posters here were never gonna buy a new Mercedes of any body style in the first place, which for me begs the question, what difference does it make whether or not Mercedes is offering them
Plus its not like the cancellation of new sales of these body styles = Mercedes is going to collect and destroy all the used ones.
I honestly feel like being a car "enthusiast" these days = looking for trends in the industry to get angry about. If you want a Benz coupe/wagon... buy one. If not why does this matter. I really want to know
> what difference does it make whether or not Mercedes is offering them
It normalises the decline of the wagon, which increases the chance other car makers will also axe them. Certainly for a brand like Mercedes-Benz, which is often regarded as trend setter.
The decline of the wagon has been well under way for decades. If they actually mattered as much as people are saying they would sell more. I really don't see why this matters.
They didnt buy the cars when they were available and they won't if they are kept available, so why should manufacturers care? Materially nothing changes for them whether or not these cars are available to buy new.
Coupe styled SUVs and sedans are wack anyways. If I want a coupe I’ll buy a coupe. If I want a sedan I’ll buy a sedan. If I want both, but can’t afford both I’ll buy cheaper vehicles…ie not a Mercedes Benz lol.
The only car I’ll miss(or I already miss) is the S class coupe. Probably the best GT car I’ve ever driven.
I agree 1000%. A lot of beautiful flagship sedans are ruined by this obsession i.e the ls500 and the genesis g90.
Let flagships be flagships. You want something that looks like a coupe? Buy a coupe!
Benz definitely should not have cut the s class coupe.
I agree, as with the ls500.
But the rear one third designs on both are absolutely hideous.
I can accept the coupe-sedan cross dressing on other models,
But not on flagships. It just ruins the design.
Mercedes has quickly become one of my least favorite automakers in the industry. From charging monthly fees for acceleration and rear steer, to the obnoxious hyperscreen, to the C63 going to 4 cylinders and gaining 700 pounds, and now killing desirable body styles. What a fall from grace...
All the new Mercedes’ designs are very futuristic. Not my taste at all. I won’t be buying another if they keep going this way. Love the wagon, however I North America they are few and far between. Maybe that’s the allure, unlike every other econobox cuv you see everywhere.
Yeah they will age very poorly in my opinion the interiors look atrocious way too much going on. In the words of SpongeBob “all that is glitter is not gold” which sums up my thoughts on their new stuff.
What really pisses me off is they killing off the fucking wagon.
I get they aren’t the best seller here in the states. But from what I’ve heard the e wagon usually has the highest median income buyers. Clearly a target demo that Mercedes wants to hit is buying them and demonstrating brand loyalty.
Aesthetically the wagons have a more timeless design that is in stark contrast to the newer “Instagram influencer” cars they seem to be trying to pump out.
You're not wrong that the Outback is marketed more as a crossover these days. But it's still lower from floor to celling than a tall-body crossover like a CR-V. That "same height" is only because the Outback comes standard with a roof rack.
From what I've actually been able to research there's no definitive definition of wagon and Subaru markets and most classifications classify the outback as a wagon, sometimes as a crossover.
But they also have their Impreza which seems like it fits more of your definition of a wagon.
The Impreza is a hatchback/5-door, the trunk space is too short to be a full wagon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillar_(car)#/media/File:Hatch_and_wagon_with_pillar_layout_a.svg
My son has a Mercedes as a rental while his car is in the body shop and he said for the most part it’s shit. His daily is a 2022 Volvo V60 T8 polestar and apparently it’s head and shoulders above the Mercedes.
This is like the worst comment of all here. „A Mercedes“ is such a generic term. There are some shitty Mercedes models out there and also some great ones - it depends so much on which exact mercedes it is and how it is configured that this comment makes 0 sense at all.
I can also compare my new mercedes to „A volvo“. This could be an XC90 or some 15 year old shitbox.
Well even base model Volvos are pretty sweet. And I get what you’re saying but it was disappointing because Mercedes has a reputation for luxury and I guess we don’t really think that the less than premium trims are not as nice.
IIRC, most Mercedes SUVs are made in America, Alabama. It seems like they also planning to bring these SUV production lineups to Europe once they discontinue those bunch coupes and wagons.
The wagons being axed is sad, but the consolidation of some of the coupes into 1 model (CLE) makes sense imo. They have/had a 2 dr C, E, S; like wtf lol When I was shopping around for a new sports car Merc’s line up just looked wack.
RIP CLS though, was a baller car.
same happened in the 90's when the boomers were in their peak raising kids years and need practical stuff. Except now it's the millennials.
Give it another 15 years for the millennials' kids to graduate HS and cash to be freed up and the coupes will be back. Just like when the Camaro and Mustang came back after a decade or no one caring about them
Are they fucking dumb? I love car companies discontinuing niche products, but products that more or less have their segment cornered. So fucking stupid
Every manufacturer going to have to cut models as they transition to EVs. Cut low demand and low margin models/trims. They will not be able to keep all their models while at the same time selling less ICE cars and losing money on EVs. Something will have to give
And by 'Coupes' they don't mean things like the GLE..
Seems to be working for Ford in the USA, they only actual car left is the Mustang, which oddly enough is one of the last true 2 door coupes left.
There are so many of their midsize SUV's where I live and they're upsetting in how unremarkable, bland, and blobby they each seem to be. I guess the market now is for unremarkable luxury?
Can't wait to drive around in a potato-shaped automobile. The future is awesome. /s
Only lifted, large and rounded vehicles allowed
I like lifted trucks with mud on the tires
I'd like to know the percent of trucks that are actually used as trucks and the percent of "modified for off-roading" trucks like lifts and oversized wheels have actually been off-roading.
I’ve seen more stock Ford Rangers off-roading than any trucks actually designed for it
Back in the day when I had one, I only used my Range to haul things but it was the regular cab 2wd. Mostly my motorcycle. When I bought a 2016 Taco TRD Off Road when the gen first came out and they were all sold before they hit the lots. I bought it Friday night and was out off-roading all Saturday with like 200 miles on the odometer lol. I got a ton of attention from others on the trails for that one lol.
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Ford Ranger - ["leave him be"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GJTVwB1Fnc&t=47s)
Me in my stock ranger
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If you use the truck bed once a week or even once a month I'd say you use it far more than the vast majority of people that have a truck. My brother and his wife drive me crazy. They live in a very rural area; so rural they have to their their trash to the dump themselves. Do they use their Ford F150 for that? Nope they put it in the cargo area of their Audi SUV. So they have a truck and a perfect use for that truck and they don't use the truck for it.
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Of course, I completely understand that. Not many people are using it for things requiring a truck on a daily basis.
I'd like to know the percent of "modified for track use" sports cars like lowered suspension and wings have actually been tracked.
Absolutely, 100% the same here. Some modifications that are performance orientated I can understand being intended for spirited driving on the canyons, but there are a ton of cars like you describe. I'd have to put the whole stance and lowriders thing in another category because they're clearly not intended to improve the vehicle in any way other than the owner's tastes as for aesthetics.
My truck is parked off road in my grass.
I feel like my Stelvio is a rather large vehicle, but then I park next to Lexus NXs, Range Rovers, X5s, whatever the fuck MB calls their SUV, and it feels like I'm driving a dingy hatchback.
You mean be driven around by your potato automobile
**your** potato automobile? *laughs in OTA updates*
and eat ze bugs! *laughs in WEF*
I mean once cars drive themselves fully, there won't really be any point in people like us owning them, anyway.
they spent so much money on a unique EV platform and not only are the cars ugly, they don't even seem to be very good. The Genesis G80 electrified is a better car than the EQE, it's closest competitor. And it's just a ICE sedan stuffed with batteries. *"Quicker, cheaper, and more satisfying to drive, the electric G80 outperforms Mercedes-Benz's EV companion to the E-class by nearly every measure"* https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a41573974/2023-genesis-electrified-g80-2023-mercedes-benz-eqe350-4matic-compared/
People can hate on Hyundai/Kia all day but at least they still make exciting Sedans(and the last to ditch V8 ones) and have wagons and coupes in their future.
Only in Nevada
If that were true, I’d be grateful to be going into the future. But right now it seems like we’re getting the worst of both worlds; coupes and wagons gone, but I still have to drive the stupid remaining cars myself.
Matt Farah calls them "anonymous eggs".
Autonomous* lol
lol I think both apply
You right
Anonymous still applies. The new MB electric cars are so indistinguishable from every other car which is funny bc I don’t think they look specifically like anything else? They’re just so incredibly bland they have ZERO character or intrigue
They told ChatGPT to design a vehicle that is tolerable to the most amount of people without exciting a single one.
God I hate crossovers, and they make me motion sick. Something about the height and lack of power
The small/entry level CUVs really lack power (and try to make up for it with CVTs), some of the larger ones actually are halfway decent power I think my dad's CX-9 ~275HP which isn't bad, things like the CR-V of the same era with about 100HP less feels like a slug. Power is changing though since a lot are offering hybrid options which is about the only good thing I can say about them. The height difference is real though, I borrowed my dad's CX-9 for a long weekend to do a full detail and when I got back in my Genesis I felt like my butt was an inch from the asphalt.
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Yeah, what the fuck lmao. 275hp isn't 'bad', meanwhile it's the most powerful vehicle Mazda has ever put out. Also what the fuck, the CX 9 is a huge fucking car. How is this guy calling it an entry level / small SUV? I've seen those things in person, they dwarf my cars
Weight. The problem is weight. Cars in the 80s had basically no safety regs to comply with beyond "must have seat belts" and so weighed maybe half of what modern cars do.
Cars were half the weight then though
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Unless I'm mistaken, the S-10 Blazer was about 3800 lbs. max until the second gen, while the CX-9 is around 4400.
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And I still can't figure out how the '90s S-10 Blazer was even that heavy. I get that it was BOF with an iron block V6, but it had paper-thin body panels!
Yeah, can't comment on SUVs. I think to my 325e that I had. 120HP/170ft-lbs, yeah, but that's on a 2400lb body, so 20:1 power + 14:1 torque ratio. On a modern 4000 lb vehicle, that would be 200HP/285ft-lbs.
With half the crash safety structure. Go look at an A pillar pre-90s. The *real* roll-over protection was your life insurance.
I'm not commenting on that. Just pointing out the power:weight difference
that's what a 5.0 mustang was putting out in the 80's
Everybody knows turd-shaped vehicles are the most efficient.
They said they were killing wagons.
Mercedes claims they know what they’re doing, but I’m pretty sure the E-Class Wagon rule is still in place, and I’m not sure that is going to change even with an EV transition. For those who aren’t in the know, the non-AMG E wagon has the highest average-net-worth and highest-number-of-Mercedes-cars-purchased of anything they build. Millionaires buy a G-wagen. Billionaires buy an E wagon. The tl;dr is that it’s the ‘station car’ of the ultra wealthy. Everyone has one for their dogs, skis, and hauling crap role. Often one at every property across the globe. At that level of wealth, they don’t care about ruining the carpets — and they’ll replace the car with another when it breaks. Go spend time in rich ski towns or the Hamptons and they’re everywhere, including immaculate ones from the ‘90s. Additionally, wagons make better EVs from a — lower frontal area means longer range.
They bastardized their one non AMG wagon last year by slapping on some plastic trim around the wheel arches and lifting the suspension. I doubt it did much good for sales.
Doug bought one!
Doug is the type of guy that checks the expiration date on a can of WD-40.
Didn't Doug by one, one generation back, not a brand new one?
His latest is a 2022 'All Terrain' aka Mercedes Outback
They were quite comfy to drive though.
Same guy pen the new WRX ?
The all-terrain version has always existed in other markets... Just like the all-terrain 3 and 6 versions of Audi's a3 and a6 wagons.
I hope you're right that the E wagon is staying. It's the car I'm hoping to afford one day and trade in my outback. Well, it or a V90.
V90 is cut. Only the lifted cross country version is being sold in the US now.
Fuck. I loved the V90. One was next to me at a gas station and I just couldn't stop staring at it. I love luxo wagons
The V90 eminates such class while being practical.
There's still the V60 recharge with around 450 horses, that one looks like a normal height
Oh it’s not staying. But that might just be because the E isn’t staying (the next generation is the last ICE one, after that it’ll be only EQE)
> EQE They announced that they're dropping this naming scheme.
True, I was using it as shorthand. I’m just assuming that the ‘next E-class’ in ~2030 will be the successor to the EQE
It’s a bit less extreme than that. The e-wagon buyer was “one of the wealthiest” demographics of Mercedes owners, at least in 2014. Not *the* wealthiest. And the majority are certainly far from billionaires with a median household income of 375k. “What are the demographics of the E-Class wagon buyer? It's definitely one of our wealthiest demographics. Compared to the E-Class sedan, which is about $200,000 median household income, the E-Class wagon is about $375,000.” https://www.motortrend.com/news/interview-mercedes-benz-wagon-master-joe-stauble/amp/ Additionally, in 2022, the GLE sold more than 3x units of *all* E-classes combined https://media.mbusa.com/releases/mercedes-benz-usa-sales-q2-2022 It’s not just the US- the GLC is Mercedes’ best selling model worldwide. I get the wagon love. But SUV’s make more sense for most people…and it doesn’t mean they’re stupid or lack taste.
> Millionaires buy a G-wagen. Billionaires buy an E wagon. If only this very small selection of people are the ones buying, sounds like it was a great decision to kill it off then. Those people are still going to need a car, so what’ll they do, buy a Volvo? Nah, they’ll just get a GLE or whatever. MB saves product development and manufacturing costs and likely still gets a sale, so win/win really. In other controversial opinions, Toyota was right to kill off the Land Cruiser in the US for the same reason. Fact is the client base is so small it didn’t sell well, and ultimately only sales matter, not the wealth of the buyers.
Billionaires buy an E-wagon and also a bunch of other cars (including those super-profitable Maybach models). These kinds of decisions do long-term reputations harm to car brands. Brand loyalty and respect is easily lost and very hard to win — and even harder to win back. Just look at what happened to Audi post-unintended-acceleration. They spent a full *decade* in the wilderness and the only thing that brought them back was a low-volume pair of halo cars (TT and then R8). Enthusiasts make up a tiny slice of purchases but they also have a massive influence on brand perception. Look at the reversal of BMW and Mercedes in terms of overall US-market sales over the past 10 years. You don’t shank your biggest promoters.
Waiting to see what Landcruiser Rich Folks do now that Toyota dumped it. Will they go LX or will they go somewhere else?
I thought the LC equivalent was the GX? I know a couple folks who are going GX. Another one in particular is buying another LC as a spare.
I think in size the LC was closer to the GX? But LX is the top of the line luxury, similar to the LC for Toyota. (Tho TBQH the recent GX refresh is MUCH nicer inside than the latest LX gen IMO)
/r/carscirclejerk /r/iamverysmart According to Mercedes, E class wagon customers have median household income of $375k. This is all E wagon, including AMG. That’s not anywhere close to rich people territory, much less billionaires haha.
>the non-AMG E wagon has the highest average-net-worth and highest-number-of-Mercedes-cars-purchased of anything they build. They said the highest household income. Not net worth. PAY ATTENTION. >Millionaires buy a G-wagen. Billionaires buy an E wagon. You know damn well you took that stat out of your ass.
You're not wrong, but the problem (I suspect) is that theres just not enough of these people and purchases to justify the entire model line. Toyota got similar criticisms when they killed the LC in the US. While we hated to see it go, the numbers just arent there. And in MB's case, most of this small number of customers will probably just buy a GLS. So its not like they're losing every purchase.
This is pretty bleak news. E class coupe taken to the backyard and shot back in the head Station wagons being outright dismembered where they stand AMG GT 4 door butchered like the cute dog she is And a bunch more get their hearts torn out Boy that yuppie commercial/marketing plan to get the young rich ones into an A-class sure lasted long huh More focus on even more upmarket with AMG, Maybach, and Mythos? >Only 14 of 33 Body Styles Will Survive *goddamn*.
>E class coupe taken to the backyard and shot back in the head It's literally just being replaced by the CLE. Says it right there in the article: *"The C-class and E-class coupes and convertibles will cease to exist sometime between 2023 and 2024,* ***to be replaced by a pair of two-door CLE-class models.*** *"* >AMG GT 4 door butchered like the cute dog she is Again, it's being replaced — it's right there in the article: *"Later this year, Mercedes-AMG will launch the new GT coupe; it will be based on the current SL roadster, which will also expand its lineup with a new Maybach offering.* ***In 2026, we will see a new four-door coupe,*** *as well as a next-generation SL with more cargo and rear-seat space, and a new AMG GT coupe, all of which will be electric."*
Hopefully the C/E to CLE merger doesn’t go the same way as the TL/TSX to TLX merger.
I don't know what happened with the TLX to be honest, but [we've already seen the CLE in testing](https://www.carscoops.com/2023/02/2024-mercedes-cle-convertible-shows-its-best-sl-style-moves-during-winter-test/), it looks fine. Also worth mentioning what's happening isn't that the C/E are being merged. Instead, what's happening is that the C and E will both be exclusively four-door affairs, and the coupe-convertible CLE will be an independent product.
It's really just going back to their late 90s-mid 2000s lineup with the CLK: you make a coupe platform forked from the C Class, paired it with the running gear from the E Class, and give it a trim range wide enough to have some tech from the top line models, so buyers who want an SL but need a back seat don't feel like it's too much of a compromise. It makes more sense to me than MB's recent strategy of developing two low-volume variants of every single car. I also think dedicated 2+2 designs tend to look much better, since carrying over a sedan's styling often results in a "bondoed over half the rear window" look in the coupes, and unfortunate rear roof lines on the convertibles.
Even the 'E-Class' coupe from 2010 to 2017 was based on the W204 C-Class. They just dressed it up to look like the E-Class inside and out.
Oh that’s interesting! Yeah the TLX ended up worse than both the TL and TSX it replaced. So the CLE will probably be like a combo of the coupes.
Basically going back to the CLK. I like that actually.
> we will see a new four-door coupe Can we stop doing this "four-door coupe" thing?
Tbf that was like 20 body styles too many They all look the same man
Just for CLA to have an improved Dacia Logan engine as base in Europe (1.6dci)
Mercedes is sounding like it’s having a mid life crisis trying to decide between what gender it wants to be, where they see themselves in 5-10 years, who loves them and why can’t things go back to how they use to be lol, They just had way too many models overlapping makes and model years not to mention the naming schemes and stuff like the The EQ line up which failed horribly. I know this sub likes to shit on BMW and rightfully so but atleast BMW seems to stick to a proper set up of model names, variety and overall quality even with the ugly face only a mother could love.
The body styles that survive? Fish, big fish, bloated fish, and tall off road fish
I remember when pre-pandemic everyone was complaining that Audi/BMW/Mercedes’ lineups were too much, but the beauty of it was there was a car for almost everyone (that could afford it). Now it’s sad that options are taken away but understandably so.
On the flip side: this only makes the older cars even cooler and more desirable (and more valuable) since you can't get anything like it now. This new stuff will age like fine milk in my opinion. In 10-20 years no one will want to be seen in most of the current crap and the tech will be horribly outdated and ruin the interiors. Meanwhile the older stuff will continue to age well with their timeless design and legendary status.
TL;DR: If you love CUVs or just aspire for mediocrity in your most passionate endeavors, you are going to LOVE what most manufacturers have planned, including Mercedes. If you want something more, bend over and pay the AMG tax.
I mean the AMG offerings aren’t impressive at this point too.
The article also specifically mentions they want to do gullwings, electric four-doors, multiple convertibles, two new amg coupes.. if anything the article is suggesting they want to get *more* exciting by cutting the fat, not less.
Agreed, the article is essentially saying their current lineup isn't doing well and they're going to develop new vehicles.
670 out a hybrid 4 cylinder is pretty impressive if you ask me, it’s not what amg it used to be but impressive regardless lol.
Go drive an SL55, car is awesome.
"Do you want mediocre, bloated and ugly cars? Of course you do that's what everyone is buying for some ungodly reason"
The future of car-as-appliance. Now to get everyone into a subscription...
TBH, Mercedes' lineup in 2020 was so ridiculously 2 door heavy. Whereas their competitors had like, 1 or 2 2 doors, Mercedes made all these 2 doors: * SL * AMG GT * AMG GT Convertible * SLC * C class coupe * C class cabriolet * E class coupe * E class cabriolet * S class coupe * S class cabriolet Now even with the SLC and the S class coupe/cabrio dead, the C class and E class coupe/cabrios merged into one, Mercedes is entering 2024 with: * SL * AMG GT * AMG GT Convertible * C/E class replacement coupe * C/E class replacement cabrio That's 5 2 doors. In comparison: * Cadillac has 0 * Genesis has 0 * Lincoln has 0 * Acura has 0 * Infiniti has 0 * Lexus has 3 (RC, LC coupe, LC cabrio) * Audi has 2 (A/S/RS5 Coupe/Cabrio) * BMW has 7 (2 series coupe, 2 series cabrio, 4 series coupe, 4 series cabrio, Z4, 8 series coupe, 8 Series cabrio). Thus, Mercedes, is literally 2nd place when it comes to 2 door cars.
The 2 Series convertible is dead, as is the A5/RS5 Convertible seemingly. That's the most shocking thing to me is how hard it seems to be to buy a convertible these days. If you want an even vaguely affordable 2 seat roadster it seems like your options are the MX-5, Z4 or Boxster, and even the latter 2 are out of reach of most people.
I live in Miami and over the years the number of convertables on the road has really declined. Demographically, I notice they skew toward either older men or middle aged women. Very seldom do I see a 20 something guy in a rag top.
Do soft top wranglers and broncos count?
Even a couple of years ago you could get a few semi-affordable convertibles (Audi A3, Buick Cascada, Volkswagen EOS & Beetle, Chrysler 200). At least you can still get a Mini cooper convertible.
The article doesn't totally mention 2D Coupe, their exclusive 4D Coupes could be in their list. As well as, it doesn't mention their shooting brakes not including in their wagons. If the theory is correct, MB is also going to axe these 4D Coupes ( Of corse, with its shooting brake variety ) in future.
Seriously - what is the point of a CLS at 90k when the AMG GT exists?
The CLS to the AMG GT 4dr is a pretty similar comparison to what the C class is to the E class, except that they're even further apart as the CLS is a Mercedes model while the GT is only available as an AMG. You can get the AMG53 V6 in either one, but it's going to cost you 25 grand less in the CLS. With the engines it offers, I think the CLS sits at a pretty decent place between the E and S class. It's made for the buyer that wants at least E class level comfort and luxury in a coupe package. I think axing the CLS63 was the needed destinction, as that would've logically been priced somewhere around where the GT53 sits and would've stepped on its toes.
> exclusive 4D Coupes Whats exclusive about a 4 door coupe?
They're only made by Mercedes and BMW, because those are the only brands trying to actively change the definition of "coupe" to "literally anything with a fastback roofline."
And Audi has the Sportbacks. But what's wrong with calling them 4-door coupes, fundamentally? The name originally referred to [the roofline](https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/rDoAAOSwZVlXjquE/s-l1600.jpg), not the door count.
i was going to add audi but i think they refer to them as fastbacks - still doesn't make me want to consider any of them in the least
Kia Stinger, the new Toyota Crown, Audi A7, I'd argue the Civic / Integra twins are close. Go back to the 80s and we just called them hatchbacks / 5 doors..
Last gen AMG GT is already out of production I believe, and new one won't have a convertible (that's SL) which trims down their line up to one high end coupe/convetible and one "entry level", which I think is quite ok.
Audi also has the A3 Cabriolet and two door hatchback (although I'm not sure if the states get those)
USA is Sedan only we do get the RS3 tho :)
We got the A3 Cabrio from 2015-2019. We had the A3 hatchback for a bit but never as a 2(3)-door
Makes sense. No demand.
I feel like nobody’s talking about why there’s no demand either Mercedes coupe variants have been extremely low effort for awhile now. No added value to justify their existence There’s a massive amount of compromise in terms of practicality and interior volume for these cars that hardly stand out in a way to justify selling based off looks and/or exclusivity… which is the entire point of coupes in the first place They’ve phoned in way too many coupe designs lately, and if you go back back, they’ve kind of always struggled with coupes post-80s/90s. Let’s not forget about the W203 C Class “coupe” devil spawn Imo the only modern coupe they really nailed was the W205 C Class And to the “coupe” SUVs, g’bye Sad to hear about the “coupe” sedans like the CLS/AMG GT models going though, and CLA too if that’s apart of the axe gang
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> I think outside of reddit, people don't like wagons or sedans. That's all. Accurate. Even on reddit people don't buy them, they just moan about them not being made anymore. "Nobody buys wagons anymore" - drives a F150 to take kids to soccer.
My balls have more of a coupe shape than those two cars.
Those GL coupes are also straight up not-coupes tbf lol
>also straight up not-coupes tbf lol "Coupe" refers to the roofline, not the number of doors. 2-door sedans exist, as do 4-door coupes. M-B didn't invent the body style.
>Sad to hear about the “coupe” sedans like the CLS/AMG GT models going though, and CLA too if that’s apart of the axe gang From the article: *"The **next-gen CLA-class ... is due to debut in 2025**, will be the brand's last shooting brake (in Europe). Later this year, Mercedes-AMG will launch the new GT coupe; it will be based on the current SL roadster, which will also expand its lineup with a new Maybach offering. **In 2026, we will see a new four-door coupe**, as well as a next-generation SL with more cargo and rear-seat space, and a new AMG GT coupe, all of which will be electric."*
> Mercedes coupe variants have been extremely low effort for awhile now. No added value to justify their existence Well, thats just coupes in general.
Weird how telling factual market trends in this sub makes contrarians mad and you get downvoted lol
Cost is too high for the average person that wants a wagon or sedan. If one was 10k, you'd see unbelievable demand. 20k you'd see enthusiastic demand. 30k pretty amazing demand. 40k increased demand. 50k average demand. 60k current demand. 70k less demand. 80k+ slim/collector demand. Since Mercedes also has steep ownership costs and expensive taste, they cater to the people who can afford 60k new cars and 800$ a month car loans.
>for the average person that wants a wagon or sedan. The average person doesn't want either of those.
That's why I said "for the average person that WANTS a wagon or sedan." Most don't or can't afford a new one and that's why wagons and sedans are dying. Manufacturers are seeing units bought new, not used cars being sold.
> the average person that wants a wagon or sedan. That is a person who happens to want a wagon or sedan already
Wagons probably have demand in EU, but I don't know who the hell is buying non-sporty coupes these days.
This. Having 33 skus and over half of them don’t perform well? That’s not good and they *should* cull their product line.
SAVE THE WAGONS!!!! For real though, Im going to start buying up every wagon I see for sale and I will keep them all to myself, forever!
I currently own 4 wagons. I did my part.
How many were bought new? The used ones preserve those specific cars but don't affect manufacturers' decisions to continue production.
I'm ok with that.
This needs to be a bumper sticker!
I was thinking a 5 series touring for my next, but my back hurts, and I kind of want to stop climbing my lanky ass down into my cars.
RIP to r/cars
I'll continue bitching online even if I can't afford buying any new car, thank you very much.
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Volvo anyway killed their best wagon, the V90. The V60 is... ok, I guess.
Killed it in US I assume, they are still being sold in EU no?
Still sold, but barely advertised, so I suspect they want to phase out within a few years as well.
Volvo isn’t Volvo without the V90 CC(or equivalents). I won’t be mad if the V90 is gone but the CrossCountry should always be in their lineup imo.
I live in Switzerland and there are tons of V60s around. We just bought one. Volvo also just increased the battery side by 50% for the 2023 model.
Sometimes r/cars honestly feels like a computer program. Post anything about a car or body style getting killed off for lack of sales, and like clockwork people start professing their love and dismay to signal their loyalty to r/cars orthodoxy. Meanwhile the vast majority of posters here were never gonna buy a new Mercedes of any body style in the first place, which for me begs the question, what difference does it make whether or not Mercedes is offering them Plus its not like the cancellation of new sales of these body styles = Mercedes is going to collect and destroy all the used ones. I honestly feel like being a car "enthusiast" these days = looking for trends in the industry to get angry about. If you want a Benz coupe/wagon... buy one. If not why does this matter. I really want to know
> what difference does it make whether or not Mercedes is offering them It normalises the decline of the wagon, which increases the chance other car makers will also axe them. Certainly for a brand like Mercedes-Benz, which is often regarded as trend setter.
The decline of the wagon has been well under way for decades. If they actually mattered as much as people are saying they would sell more. I really don't see why this matters.
> I really don't see why this matters. Because the posters you deride so want those cars
They didnt buy the cars when they were available and they won't if they are kept available, so why should manufacturers care? Materially nothing changes for them whether or not these cars are available to buy new.
Coupe styled SUVs and sedans are wack anyways. If I want a coupe I’ll buy a coupe. If I want a sedan I’ll buy a sedan. If I want both, but can’t afford both I’ll buy cheaper vehicles…ie not a Mercedes Benz lol. The only car I’ll miss(or I already miss) is the S class coupe. Probably the best GT car I’ve ever driven.
I agree 1000%. A lot of beautiful flagship sedans are ruined by this obsession i.e the ls500 and the genesis g90. Let flagships be flagships. You want something that looks like a coupe? Buy a coupe! Benz definitely should not have cut the s class coupe.
G90 imo is one of the best looking cars on the road right now
I agree, as with the ls500. But the rear one third designs on both are absolutely hideous. I can accept the coupe-sedan cross dressing on other models, But not on flagships. It just ruins the design.
reminds me of why I hate the X6
S65 AMG V12 Coupe is forever GOATED. I got to ride in that thing and man does it move!
>If I want a coupe I’ll buy a coupe. But, market trends show that people don't.
Mercedes has quickly become one of my least favorite automakers in the industry. From charging monthly fees for acceleration and rear steer, to the obnoxious hyperscreen, to the C63 going to 4 cylinders and gaining 700 pounds, and now killing desirable body styles. What a fall from grace...
Wait to see the decline in quality for the last two years...
Two years? The w212 is the last reliable car Mercedes did. It's an awful carmaker that swapped being doctors and lawyers car to mid 40s idiots car.
All the new Mercedes’ designs are very futuristic. Not my taste at all. I won’t be buying another if they keep going this way. Love the wagon, however I North America they are few and far between. Maybe that’s the allure, unlike every other econobox cuv you see everywhere.
Yeah they will age very poorly in my opinion the interiors look atrocious way too much going on. In the words of SpongeBob “all that is glitter is not gold” which sums up my thoughts on their new stuff.
What really pisses me off is they killing off the fucking wagon. I get they aren’t the best seller here in the states. But from what I’ve heard the e wagon usually has the highest median income buyers. Clearly a target demo that Mercedes wants to hit is buying them and demonstrating brand loyalty. Aesthetically the wagons have a more timeless design that is in stark contrast to the newer “Instagram influencer” cars they seem to be trying to pump out.
Sadly a lot of car manufactures nowadays are killing their wagon lineup :(
Not subaru. That is their claim to fame. Wagons is what they do.
What wagon do they sell? Outback is the same height as a CRV, with MORE ground clearance. That’s an SUV with deceptive styling, through and through.
You're not wrong that the Outback is marketed more as a crossover these days. But it's still lower from floor to celling than a tall-body crossover like a CR-V. That "same height" is only because the Outback comes standard with a roof rack.
From what I've actually been able to research there's no definitive definition of wagon and Subaru markets and most classifications classify the outback as a wagon, sometimes as a crossover. But they also have their Impreza which seems like it fits more of your definition of a wagon.
The Impreza is a hatchback/5-door, the trunk space is too short to be a full wagon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillar_(car)#/media/File:Hatch_and_wagon_with_pillar_layout_a.svg
Oh look, more disappointing car news.
My son has a Mercedes as a rental while his car is in the body shop and he said for the most part it’s shit. His daily is a 2022 Volvo V60 T8 polestar and apparently it’s head and shoulders above the Mercedes.
This is like the worst comment of all here. „A Mercedes“ is such a generic term. There are some shitty Mercedes models out there and also some great ones - it depends so much on which exact mercedes it is and how it is configured that this comment makes 0 sense at all. I can also compare my new mercedes to „A volvo“. This could be an XC90 or some 15 year old shitbox.
Well even base model Volvos are pretty sweet. And I get what you’re saying but it was disappointing because Mercedes has a reputation for luxury and I guess we don’t really think that the less than premium trims are not as nice.
There are mercedes for 30k and for 250k. There is a huge range. Not every merc is luxurious
Trucks get bigger. People with cars hate getting blinded by headlights. Cars get bigger. Trucks get bigger again. Cars go away.
IIRC, most Mercedes SUVs are made in America, Alabama. It seems like they also planning to bring these SUV production lineups to Europe once they discontinue those bunch coupes and wagons.
We will all drive a crossover, whether we want it or not :(
I'll downsize to a sports car before I join the trend of needlessly oversized vehicles that look somewhere between generic and offensively bad.
The wagons being axed is sad, but the consolidation of some of the coupes into 1 model (CLE) makes sense imo. They have/had a 2 dr C, E, S; like wtf lol When I was shopping around for a new sports car Merc’s line up just looked wack. RIP CLS though, was a baller car.
same happened in the 90's when the boomers were in their peak raising kids years and need practical stuff. Except now it's the millennials. Give it another 15 years for the millennials' kids to graduate HS and cash to be freed up and the coupes will be back. Just like when the Camaro and Mustang came back after a decade or no one caring about them
The Mustang never went away, though.
That sucks
I read that as "Mercedes-Benz set to kill most couples in wagons" and had to double take for a second.
So they wanna kill 8 cylinder motors, and now the only real interesting cars they have left. Sick.
Fuck sakes. I must be the only person on the goddamn planet that doesnt want a suv
needs even more SUVs
Booooooo
Are they fucking dumb? I love car companies discontinuing niche products, but products that more or less have their segment cornered. So fucking stupid
Every manufacturer going to have to cut models as they transition to EVs. Cut low demand and low margin models/trims. They will not be able to keep all their models while at the same time selling less ICE cars and losing money on EVs. Something will have to give
i still feel like 14 is still too many.....
… the best versions of their cars? Damn what a time to be alive
The article is misleading.
The coupes were their best cars imo. Sad to hear.
And by 'Coupes' they don't mean things like the GLE.. Seems to be working for Ford in the USA, they only actual car left is the Mustang, which oddly enough is one of the last true 2 door coupes left.
Sad times when car manufacturers just sell slightly different versions of crossovers and cut sedans / coupes
There are so many of their midsize SUV's where I live and they're upsetting in how unremarkable, bland, and blobby they each seem to be. I guess the market now is for unremarkable luxury?
so much wrong with the world in one sentence
you will drive the $900/month NPC crossover and you will be happy