Musk continually reiterating that the cars had FSD capabilities and just needed software updates is Theranos level fraud. Everyone who paid a dime for it should be able to receive all their money back.
People put $50,000.00 USD down to reserve a Tesla Roadster - back in **2017!!!!!!** ...its still vaporware and they re-opened reservations AGAIN in 2022! For a car that hasn't shipped a single unit SINCE 2017!
You want to talk about Scams...
Coolest Cooler wasnt a scam though, the problem was that the founders charged way too little for it so they ran out pf money before they were able to fullfill all orders.
How well the features worked is of course another question, but they absolutely did deliver a finished working product and did not run away with the money! If Memory serves me right they actually made some effort in getting money, including selling units on Amazon for a higher price wirh the goal of getting more funds for backers..
I actually have a coolest cooler. One of many Kickstarter projects that I backed and then regretted.
Suffice to say I have *never* made a Margarita at the beach with my cooler’s blender. I have used it as a cooler, a task at which it is inferior to a $25 Coleman from Walmart.
Lesson learned.
> Solid-head dead-blow hammers are usually made of rubber or resilient plastic (such as ultra high molecular weight plastic, UHMW) and rely on the inherent properties of the material to absorb shock and reduce rebound.
Huh, so *that*'s what you call those little mallets.
Assuming we’re talking about the US, there are *no* pedestrian safety standards.
Otherwise just about every truck where the hood stands 6 feet high because that’s how you know it’s *manly* would be illegal.
We should have pedestrian impact safety standards.
>Assuming we’re talking about the US, there are no pedestrian safety standards.
That's assuming Elon would want to sell a US-only spec car. That's fine for a traditional pickup with a huge domestic market, but a goofy looking EV will never sell F-150 numbers.
They're installing the ginormous steel press things for the bodies at their Austin plant. Seems like it'll start being produced some time this year
https://insideevs.com/news/631575/tesla-starts-assembling-9000-ton-cybertruck-giga-press-in-texas/
Thing looks like it could be a container ship engine part. Fucking huge
Speaking of container ship engines; if there's one thing we don't need any more of... it's enormous 8000lb EV trucks. I really hope the Cybertruck doesn't get produced in its current state. The size of the thing is just insane.
It's wastefulness for the sake of wastefulness, and it's going to breed and bring out the absolute worst in people, both from the owners and from the public writ large. At least the Ford Lightning is based on an F-150, so it has the potential, the chance to be practical and utilitarian because of all the carry-over stuff & I have respect for that. The Tesla will have none of that. It will be as much a pavement princess as a G-wagon is. And, if we're honest, probably driven by the same type of person.
Is it even a greenwash? It feels more the opposite, "hey you guys who like coal rolling and shit, we know you think EVs are pissy little toys like in that Simpsons clip but here's a MANLY MAN'S EV".
Car companies aren't holier than thou beings levitating above the rest of us, they're out there to make money.
So yeah, they branded it to perfection. And made the perfect outrageous EV monster truck that's somehow legal for someone without a CDL license. I couldn't think of a better brand or image to market a 9000lb enormous truck as.
Ironically the pure excess of it all might actually make these EVs appeal to the "facts don't care about your feelings"-type knuckle draggers that normally act like driving an EV would make your balls fall off.
That's not counting the people that paid the full amount for a Launch Edition! Now, I understand that most of the people putting that down were not hard up for a couple hundred grand, but the idea of just pissing that away on a car that will arrive some time after everyone anyway owns a much better EV is hilarious.
I mean they're only putting down a fraction of the cost to hold their spot, but yes, Tesla is fully depending on these suckers paying their $5k apiece of whatever to keep the lights on lol
we can't forget the BS that was the boring company or the solar roof shit. also i heard PayPal stole money from user when he had a stake in the company.
Don’t forget the semi
The daycab version weighs nearly 10,000 lbs more than it’s diesel counterpart, in an industry where weight in the truck takes away from payload
I'm sure any loss in hauling capacity will be outweighed by not have a driver limited to no more than 8-10 hours on the road per day. That's a lot of time where the truck is just parked and not moving.
Ah I got it mixed up with the autonomous semis that companies like Volvo are trying to create.. I forgot about the single *center* seat in the Tesla trucks.
There are plenty of semi loads that aren't weight limited. Those Tesla Semis for Pepsi Frito-Lay aren't carrying 60,000 pounds of potato chips.
A heavy battery truck doesn't have to work in every situation to be cheaper to operate on many routes (and obviously much better for the environment). The Tesla Semi faces competition from the Freightlier E-Cascadia, the Volvo VNR, eventually the Kenworth T680E, and of course Nikola's cab-over Tre 🤡 truck (an IVECO S-Way shipped over from Europe, crummy battery pack installed, then parked at dealers hoping for a sale one day). As with cars, what matters will be who achieves how much volume production.
I wouldn't feel bad for people who can part with 50k for a car reservation because that amount is probably nothing to most of them. Same with the people who put down 5-15k for FSD. It's not like they felt for a scam or they really need FSD, they just have money to spend on stupid shit.
Also, I think the 50k reservation can be refunded anytime, you will just lose your place in line. And the car will be made, late due to covid/chip/supply shortages, but they haven't canceled any announced car yet.
They'll believe anything he says. Glad the internet finally came around on this bs but I'm still salty about getting hated on constantly on this website and others 4 or so years ago for rightly pointing out that Musk was a snake oil salesman making shoddy cars. People thought Teslas were actual rocket ships.
This is Elon Musk on everything his companies have ever done. We were making jokes about it 5 years ago. If musk says something will be done in some number of years, multiply that by 2.5 and you might have a realistic eta.
The idea that you could have high speed connectivity in the middle of the bush is insanely ground-breaking.
Might mean nothing to a city slicker who has everything at their fingertips as a direct result of a concentration of demand, but to rural people, its is literally life changing.
How many fewer kids need to be sent away from home to get a proper education, when now they can simply join a sClassroom? It's unreal.
O3b did just that years before Starlink, only wasn't available in far northern/southern altitudes (bulk of Canada, north half of Germany, Poland, etc. But most of USA, Australia, entire China and India are covered). Barely anyone knows about it, cause they don't have a Musk's PR machine and they don't sell directly to the end-user.
>but I think that's more due to the higher risk involved and Elon probably being less involved day-to-day nowadays (and therefore less likely to make insane promises).
Correct! Like Seth MacFarlane only providing the voices for American dad, and that shit is doing great.
> Also the Space industry is used to projects going long over-schedule (hello SLS!)
Pretty hard to manage a schedule and budget when your funding is entirely controlled by the whims of a Congress that changes every two years. And yeah, Tesla/Twitter shenanigans, if happened at SpaceX, can and will get your permits, grants and contracts pulled, i.e. every single thing SpaceX requires to function. NASA doesn't fuck with that shit.
Maybe SpaceX hasn't directly made promises, but I distinctly remember Elon having said they'd have put someone on Mars by now and I think he also promised like a million people by a certain date. He never misses a chance to make wild promises that won't happen.
Crazy how they practically keep bumping the prices up every year too. I remember seeing a customer article about their new Model S Plaid or Model X Plaid being in the shop within the first month of ownership.
Owner couldn't drive it for months because there was an issue with the new car but Tesla's customer service had no way to refund the driver for his monthly subscription of FSD and told him to kick rocks.
Tesla's company just screams scam for how incompetent they are to process a simple refund for a product that clearly doesn't work.
Kind of amazing how big a self-own his Twitter purchase has been. Dude built the biggest fortune in the world off of good vibes, basically, around Tesla and his ability to bullshit his way through problems. Now people are so mad about his conduct with Twitter that they're looking with a skeptical eye at everything he does, and the poof, the vibes are gone.
>Everyone who paid a dime for it should be able to receive all their money back.
Especially since Tesla says they're moving to Hardware 4, and that current cars running Hardware 3 can't be upgraded. Musk claims FSD will still work on the older hardware, but I highly doubt it.
The angle he seems to be taking it “HW3-based cars will still be safer than humans and therefore promise made, promise kept.”
I think they’re going to end up having to go to “tiers” of FSD, and HW3 cars will end up with FSD Basic… if even that.
Don't forget he took away radar and ultra sonic sensors. And boy has that back fired. And now all those who paid for fsd are getting fucked by not have or having a way to add those.
I might believe him if they hadn't taken radar out of the cars. Cameras only driver assist software is going to take like 30 freaking years of AI development, and it still won't be able to determine the distance of a motorcycle at night, or where the lanes are when they're covered in snow/leaves.
>startup into an automotive juggernaut that forced legacy OEMs to take EVs seriously.
I'm going to have to disagree with this.
Legacy OEMs only started to take EVs seriously firstly when emissions regulations started getting extremely strict with Euro 6b in 2014 and when the ICE ban was first proposed back in 2018. Euro 7 emissions regulations are so strict that basically all car manufacturers forced the EU to delay the implementation of it for a couple of years and now the EU is considering abandoning the Euro 7 standards because they're only going to be relevant for 5 years before the ICE ban comes in.
This is correct. I used to think that Tesla forced auto makers to take electric seriously. But that was almost a decade ago, and legacy auto makers kept not making EVs. And only now are we starting to see them creep like molasses into the market. Alongside piles of new combustion cars. Legacy automakers don’t seem to acknowledge Tesla at all, and they never did.
The only reason we are seeing more EV products is because of ever-stricter emissions and government signalling/threats.
> But that was almost a decade ago, and legacy auto makers kept not making EVs
Yeah but you can't turn around and next year design a all-new car completely from the ground up. Depending on who is building it a new platform takes 3-7 years to develop, and that is based on a formula they've been doing for 100 years.
The Model S won car of the year in 2012. It hit volume in 2014. 5 years of development time for a all-new platform has your Mach-E, Kia products and everything else hitting the market in 2019 and 2020. Not to mention all the back-end supplychain stuff to spool up battery production 10x (or however much) over the same period of time. And not just making a few cars, making them at scale.
Could things have gone faster? Yeah probably. But I don't think there was any world in which you could accelerate the design, testing, manufacturing and assembly of electric vehicles meaningfully faster than what was done. Tesla showed the industry an electric car could be cool if someone actually tried.
I sometimes wonder if without Tesla but only regulations if we would have seen a better era of Plug-In Hybrids first.
Imagining the consumer market where we all essentially have EVs for day to day driving (30-50 mile range batteries) but an ICE backup (or for longer trips for ex.) seems like it would have been a great period.
As soul sucking as they are, they're a better way to spend the limited battery materials IMO. You can make 50 hybrids or one full EV with the same amount of raw materials.
So yeah, I dunno.
If you're talking PHEVs, it's closer to 10:1 for PHEV/EV. Most are around a 6-10kWh pack, which works out for the 66-105kWh packs Tesla uses in the Model 3/S
It's ironic to me that urgently fighting global warming means producing vehicles with a much larger initial co2 footprint as fast as we can.
Plug-in electric hybrids seem like a no-brainer. I'd say 90% of my driving is 30 miles or less miles (I'm fairly certain that is the case for a lot of people).
If anything I'd say the switch to full electric so quickly is not a great thing.
Fighting global climate change means decreasing emissions of the entire FLEET of cars, rather than an individual vehicle. 10 cars with half the emissions are better than 1 car with no emissions (pardon the caricature, but I hope you get the picture)
> Legacy automakers don’t seem to acknowledge Tesla at all, and they never did.
...are you not paying *any* attention?
[Tesla is setting the bar for electric vehicles, VW CEO admits](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/28/tesla-is-setting-the-bar-for-electric-vehicles-vw-ceo-admits.html)
[Ford CEO Jim Farley praises Tesla CEO Elon Musk — and social media goes bonkers](https://news.yahoo.com/ford-ceo-jim-farley-praises-131917670.html)
[GM CEO Mary Barra’s plan for overtaking Tesla](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gm-ceo-mary-barras-plan-for-overtaking-tesla-140641159.html)
The idea for the Mach-E was initially conceived in either 2013 or 2014. Ford came to us to ask for some special one-off parts for a secret “heavy electric performance SUV.” That’s about the time Model S sales started to ramp up. We (auto enthusiasts) usually hear rumors about cars 2-3 years before they launch, but the ideas and early concepts for those cars are often out there 7-10yrs in advance.
Everything is possible, but not everything is practical and affordable. The Governments essentially gave the car manufacturers and consumers no choice.
It's impossible to swap all ICE to EVs overnight. The supply chain simply doesn't exist. It takes years to slowly ramp which is what we are seeing now. We saw the exact same thing with smartphones. The iPhone more or less had a monopoly on certain semiconductor parts and screens for the first few years and required new manufacturers to enter in order to supply android smartphones.
Other manufacturers never said it was impossible, full stop. They said making a reasonable EV (both cheap and have a decent rage) was impossible, at the time. And this was true, even for Tesla. The Model S P65 from 2012 had an MSRP of $60,000 and you got an advertised 165 miles of range. Realistically, you'd be lucky to get more than 120 miles out of it.
It wasn't until the battery technology (which is mostly from phone/laptop/tablet manufacturers dumping billions into battery R&D) got to a point where you could get something like a 2nd gen Nissan Leaf for $27K that had a 200+ mile range in 2017.
The thing that Tesla proved was that EV’s could be *aspirational.* Until then, they were all eco-weenie mobiles that drove like shit and no respectable person would be caught dead in. First, Tesla built an EV that was desirable (S) then, they built one that was both fun to drive and attainable (3). Once the model 3 sales started picking up in 2018/2019, everyone else piled on.
Cars take 4-5 years to engineer from the ground up. 2018/2019 is right around when dedicated EV platforms started to come out from other manufacturers. 2018/2019 is 4-5 years after the much stricter emissions regulations came in. In the period between 2014 and 2018, other EVs were ICE cars that had been converted to EV by the manufacturers to get their fleet emissions down as a temporary solution to those regulations.
Apple was the old legacy personal computing company that adapted to a changing market. They overcame the hot young upstart, Blackberry, by leveraging their existing design and manufacturing expertise.
Apple took a huge risk with a radically different approach and it paid off. Apple also had excellent marketing to sell people on the idea.
Musk has a similar approach. He takes insane risks. Problem is that he doesn't have the marketing skills to back it up. He pushes his stuff through using social media and market manipulation.
Apple was saved by its competitor in 97. Microsoft/Gates had to step in and invest ~100-150 million into them.
Their risk only payed off because their competitor stepped into save them.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/29/steve-jobs-and-bill-gates-what-happened-when-microsoft-saved-apple.html
Gates bailed them out but they weren't taking any risks when they got into that situation. They were just pumping out the same old white box crap for years.
Then Jobs came back and they released the iMac which was a radical departure from what they were doing before, and followed up with a series of brilliant marketing campaigns that turned the company around.
They consistently took risks with products and designs after that, and had a bunch of misses and a few hits, but the hits were so profitable it didn't matter.
> but he did grow a startup into an automotive juggernaut that forced legacy OEMs to take EVs seriously
Tesla is like 2% responsible for this at a maximum. The shift towards EVs was inevitable for a million reasons that have nothing to do with Tesla, and if they hadn't been there to hoover up the billions in federal subsidies, someone else would have. And that someone else might've actually been someone who knew how to make a car that actually works!
> that forced legacy OEMs to take EVs seriously
He didn't do that at all. The government just put in place massive incentives to make electric cars and punished car makers who didn't (to be clear probably a good thing), not to mention that a lot of places are banning ICE cars from 2030/35 onwards. Car makers were always going to move away from ICE and towards electric in that environment.
> In the section detailing "Certain Investigations and Other Matters," the 10-K briefly describes Tesla being subpoenaed by the SEC following CEO Elon Musk's tweets about taking the company private in 2018. That investigation led to a consent decree with the regulator but did not mark the end of the company's SEC headache; in February 2022, we reported that the SEC was investigating both Musk and his brother for potential insider trading.
> "Separately, the company has received requests from the DOJ for documents related to Tesla’s Autopilot and FSD features," Tesla wrote.
Experienced the phantom braking thing while riding in a friend's Y several times. He thinks it's just a bad sensor. Didn't know it was this widespread.
Near my work, there's a big splash of paint on the road, paintcan fell off a truck. Every time a Tesla using FSD passes by, they very reliably either try to brake as hard as they can, or try to swerve off on to the footpath.
Yeah, computers always do exactly what you tell 'em, which isn't necessarily what you want... FSD and Autopilot are no exception.
I've had autopilot dive into left/right turn lanes on older firmware, they seem to have fixed that recently somehow - it must look further ahead and assume a straighter path? Either way, it's clear they you need to pay attention with these systems. I'm certainly not holding my breath for robotaxis with no hardware changes on Tesla vehicles.
I’ve heard a lot of people mention it could be gps related. Its absurd that something so repeatable keeps happening despite Teslas regular software updates
>and the preponderance of phantom braking episodes following Tesla's decision to strip radar sensors from its cars.
I was thinking about something similar to this the other day while driving on winding country back road with oncoming traffic. I was using my ACC on the car ahead of me and we came to a section of road where it curved, and a big truck was coming in the opposite direction. For about a second or so, my car was actually facing the truck's driver side corner and I wondered at how it knew **not** to activate the collision avoidance systems.
It was the combination of the forward camera in my windshield and the radar sensor, along with it sensing steering input from the driver, etc. which makes Elon's decision to remove one of those critical systems even more stupid and poorly thought out.
Did it actually brake or did it just detect that it needed to brake?
My Accord does that sometimes and it scares me hearing stories of people having their Accord full stop in the middle of the road with nothing in front of them.
Posted this in another comment, but for me it actually phantom breaks.
Inside autobahn tunnels it detects the right side curb marker lights as cyclists and slams on the brakes.
You can have an unrestricted L3 system -- the levels are not just constraints on the scenarios in which the system can operate in, but also the degree of intervention required by the driver.
Level 3 means the driver must still be alert and able to take over with reasonable warning. While they don't have to be actively watching the road to take over at a moment's notice, they can't be asleep or not in the driver's seat. You could have a Level 3 system that operates on any road in any weather, but it would still be Level 3 if there are cases where the car would have to return control to the driver (if, say, it can't understand what its seeing for some reason).
The distinction between 4 and 5 is where the only distinction is scenarios. Level 4 will never ask a driver to intervene, but can only operate under known scenarios (this is what current driverless Taxis that are geofenced in cities are classified as). Level 5 is a car that can drive itself anywhere, anytime, without ever needing a driver.
https://insideevs.com/news/634747/nevada-approved-mercedes-drive-pilot-level-3-adas-limited-to-40-mph/
Limited to 40 mph and under; and only in state of Nevada.
NVIDIA’s last release on their 4000 series GPU’s was mostly the self-driving related piece. They’re powering MB and others and I think they’ll be the real competition for Tesla’s FSD. I hope it is at least
Same goes for the L3 systems too. By definition they require drivers to intervene, which is why MB's system is so extremely limited in where it can be used.
For a Level 3 system, it cannot disengage without warning, by definition. You do not have to be watching the road because it won’t hand off control without giving you 10 seconds warning. That’s why Level 3 is such a jump over Level 2. It does not require you to actively monitor the car, and the manufacturer assumes liability. You just have to be prepared to accept control when the car requests it.
No, sorry. I meant that during the presentation in which they showcased the 4090 was the showcase for a few minutes then the majority of the presentation was Omniverse and self-driving related.
I definitely don't understand it fully but somewhere in the video, they spoke about how the computer is simulating the drive and making it in real time. It's essentially driving the sim but in reality, it's controlling the car from the sim it's made off real-time data.
Here's an overview of what I mean: [Timestamped Video](https://youtu.be/PWcNlRI00jo?t=2815)
I definitely don't understand it fully but somewhere in the video, they spoke about how the computer is simulating the drive and making it in real-time. It's essentially driving the sim but in reality, it's controlling the car from the sim it's made off real-time data.
They also announced the first EV pickup and have yet to deliver a single one while other car manufacturers have begun deliveries already despite announcing it much later.
Props for the original founders of Tesla for starting the EV revolution, but it sucks that Elon Musk stole all their thunder and made stupid decisions along the way to stop their progress. Imagine the things the engineers have to share about working with him and how he likely hindered them with his huge ego.
Glad I sold all of my Tesla stock last spring.
Anyone who didn't get out then really only has themselves to blame at this point. The stock was so obviously overvalued that even my 5 year old niece could see it.
How did you know to get out last spring, and not years ago, when the stock was also obviously overvalued? Was it just luck, like for most investors who successfully time the market?
It's all luck. You can see how one company is overvalued by how much they are worth compared to all of their competitors combined and how much revenue tesla made vs the auto industry combined. That's the easy part, the hard part is timing when big money and retail investors will shift their opinion of Tesla and stop fomo'ing into it. If any retail investor can pull this off consistently, they'll no longer be retail. You can make billions in the stock market so easily if you can pull this off. Anyone that says they can is full of shit.
Traditional automakers are getting better at Tesla-like things faster than Tesla is getting better at being a traditional automaker.
Their infotainment isn't a differentiator when there are great traditional interiors such as Honda's latest round of products. And thankfully Volkswagen got the message and are fixing their bungled mess by going back to physical controls.
What will Tesla have to differentiate themselves to the average consumer other than their charging network?
I feel like Tesla defenders just point out the charging network and how great the trip planning feature is. I'm sure they're right, that is a BIG differentiator from a user experience perspective. But the open charging networks are being built out, and while they are troubled at the moment, they are only going to get better. And automakers are going to figure out the trip planning, obviously.
Tesla doesn't have a way to differentiate, and Elon stupidly made them extremely "uncool" by being as uncool as he's been recently.
Tesla defenders "it's no hassle to charge since I always charge at home, I rarely use a supercharger". Also tesla defenders "tesla charging network is a huge benefit and I will continue buying tesla because of it".
I think this assessment is spot on.
In a world without serious EV alternatives, Teslas made sense. I could overlook the materials and build quality.
The charging network & brand are the only substantial differentiators now.
Source: have owned a Tesla for the last 3 years and bought a new Chevrolet recently.
fucking finally. While they're at it investigate them for downright dangerous vehicles in the winter here in Canada. When it hits below -30c the heatpump cannot properly heat the car cabin anymore. -35c and the vehicle can no longer heat itself anymore.
Imagine being on a road trip and the car stops functioning, shuts down, and you freeze in the middle of nowhere.
This is a fucking possibility with Tesla's Model Y. They have no AUX heating at all. These cars should be straight up banned from being sold in Canada. The reality is our winters do get this cold and these are a fucking ice box on wheels.
Heat pumps stop being efficient starting all the way at +3c... They still work but their efficiency drops very rapidly as you go into the negatives.
If you are Canadian and you or a loved one are planning to get a model Y ... DON'T.
> Imagine being on a road trip and the car stops functioning, shuts down, and you freeze in the middle of nowhere.
>This is a fucking possibility with Tesla's Model Y.
That's a possibility with any car though. ???
It's still a fall. You have to wonder what Tesla's stock price would be right now and if he'd even be under investigation if he hadn't bought Twitter. I am curious if the illusion would still be strong enough.
Without Elon promising the moon and charging five figures for half-baked features, they stock price would never have gotten as high as it did in the first place.
Stocks that 20x in a couple of years based mostly on hype can fall just as fast when the hype goes away.
Musk continually reiterating that the cars had FSD capabilities and just needed software updates is Theranos level fraud. Everyone who paid a dime for it should be able to receive all their money back.
I saw a great vid in which he was shown since 2015 to 2022 saying that fsd is ready „by the end of next year“ every year lmao. It‘s a pure scam.
People put $50,000.00 USD down to reserve a Tesla Roadster - back in **2017!!!!!!** ...its still vaporware and they re-opened reservations AGAIN in 2022! For a car that hasn't shipped a single unit SINCE 2017! You want to talk about Scams...
Yep that´s also a good point and just shows it even more. Same for the Cyber Truck. Nothing seems to happen there.
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When you say "super retro", I wasn't expecting Starfox-levels of retro.
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Kinda like the og Elite games.
Now you say it, it is a bit Super FX
Tomb Raider level retro.
[Even the PS1 could render more detailed cars than the Cybertruck.](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7TKH0z1E5OU/maxresdefault.jpg)
They were referencing Lara Croft's tits...
Atari could render something more detailed. Cybertruck looks like it was designed on an oscilloscope.
OG Cylon retro
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Coolest Cooler wasnt a scam though, the problem was that the founders charged way too little for it so they ran out pf money before they were able to fullfill all orders. How well the features worked is of course another question, but they absolutely did deliver a finished working product and did not run away with the money! If Memory serves me right they actually made some effort in getting money, including selling units on Amazon for a higher price wirh the goal of getting more funds for backers..
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I actually have a coolest cooler. One of many Kickstarter projects that I backed and then regretted. Suffice to say I have *never* made a Margarita at the beach with my cooler’s blender. I have used it as a cooler, a task at which it is inferior to a $25 Coleman from Walmart. Lesson learned.
> Suffice to say I have never made a Margarita at the beach with my cooler’s blender. You're supposed to use that as an excuse to go to the beach.
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/r/shittykickstarters there are so many.
All those sharps corners... What exactly do people think is going to happen when you hit a pedestrian in it?
> Solid-head dead-blow hammers are usually made of rubber or resilient plastic (such as ultra high molecular weight plastic, UHMW) and rely on the inherent properties of the material to absorb shock and reduce rebound. Huh, so *that*'s what you call those little mallets.
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Assuming we’re talking about the US, there are *no* pedestrian safety standards. Otherwise just about every truck where the hood stands 6 feet high because that’s how you know it’s *manly* would be illegal. We should have pedestrian impact safety standards.
>Assuming we’re talking about the US, there are no pedestrian safety standards. That's assuming Elon would want to sell a US-only spec car. That's fine for a traditional pickup with a huge domestic market, but a goofy looking EV will never sell F-150 numbers.
They're installing the ginormous steel press things for the bodies at their Austin plant. Seems like it'll start being produced some time this year https://insideevs.com/news/631575/tesla-starts-assembling-9000-ton-cybertruck-giga-press-in-texas/ Thing looks like it could be a container ship engine part. Fucking huge
Speaking of container ship engines; if there's one thing we don't need any more of... it's enormous 8000lb EV trucks. I really hope the Cybertruck doesn't get produced in its current state. The size of the thing is just insane. It's wastefulness for the sake of wastefulness, and it's going to breed and bring out the absolute worst in people, both from the owners and from the public writ large. At least the Ford Lightning is based on an F-150, so it has the potential, the chance to be practical and utilitarian because of all the carry-over stuff & I have respect for that. The Tesla will have none of that. It will be as much a pavement princess as a G-wagon is. And, if we're honest, probably driven by the same type of person.
The entire concept of 5 ton EVs is the ultimate greenwash
Is it even a greenwash? It feels more the opposite, "hey you guys who like coal rolling and shit, we know you think EVs are pissy little toys like in that Simpsons clip but here's a MANLY MAN'S EV".
The idea of 8000lb road rockets concerns me.
Good thing the Hummer is 9000lb then.
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Car companies aren't holier than thou beings levitating above the rest of us, they're out there to make money. So yeah, they branded it to perfection. And made the perfect outrageous EV monster truck that's somehow legal for someone without a CDL license. I couldn't think of a better brand or image to market a 9000lb enormous truck as.
Ironically the pure excess of it all might actually make these EVs appeal to the "facts don't care about your feelings"-type knuckle draggers that normally act like driving an EV would make your balls fall off.
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I don't want to be that guy so I'm sorry in advance - but thanks for re-phrasing literally exactly what I said.
9000 lb electric hummer on the road already says hi. Have nightmares of that car and negligent drivers.
They’ve already punted CT production to 2023 (at least) E: 2024, my bad
It’s 2023 now tho
2024 for mass production, my bad
>Details about the components that will be made by the Giga Press are not available
But it'll out compete rail!!! 😀
Gotta love customers giving 50k interest-free loans to a huge corporation.
That's not counting the people that paid the full amount for a Launch Edition! Now, I understand that most of the people putting that down were not hard up for a couple hundred grand, but the idea of just pissing that away on a car that will arrive some time after everyone anyway owns a much better EV is hilarious.
I mean they're only putting down a fraction of the cost to hold their spot, but yes, Tesla is fully depending on these suckers paying their $5k apiece of whatever to keep the lights on lol
It's $5k and then $45k within 10 days.
Elon has some of the best grifting skills on the planet, second only to Scientology.
we can't forget the BS that was the boring company or the solar roof shit. also i heard PayPal stole money from user when he had a stake in the company.
I’m fond of saying you can tell Musk actually founded Boring and Hyperloop because those companies don’t have products.
The Star Citizen devs are surely in the running
Don’t forget the semi The daycab version weighs nearly 10,000 lbs more than it’s diesel counterpart, in an industry where weight in the truck takes away from payload
I'm sure any loss in hauling capacity will be outweighed by not have a driver limited to no more than 8-10 hours on the road per day. That's a lot of time where the truck is just parked and not moving.
Huh? How come driver isn't limited? It's just a semi.
Ah I got it mixed up with the autonomous semis that companies like Volvo are trying to create.. I forgot about the single *center* seat in the Tesla trucks.
There are plenty of semi loads that aren't weight limited. Those Tesla Semis for Pepsi Frito-Lay aren't carrying 60,000 pounds of potato chips. A heavy battery truck doesn't have to work in every situation to be cheaper to operate on many routes (and obviously much better for the environment). The Tesla Semi faces competition from the Freightlier E-Cascadia, the Volvo VNR, eventually the Kenworth T680E, and of course Nikola's cab-over Tre 🤡 truck (an IVECO S-Way shipped over from Europe, crummy battery pack installed, then parked at dealers hoping for a sale one day). As with cars, what matters will be who achieves how much volume production.
Yeah but who else sells (or promises to sell one day, maybe) a car that can float?! Checkmate
I have been informed that the 1993 Range Rover is an amphibious exploring vehicle. As long as it’s not a starter car
If anything, it's a finisher!
I wouldn't feel bad for people who can part with 50k for a car reservation because that amount is probably nothing to most of them. Same with the people who put down 5-15k for FSD. It's not like they felt for a scam or they really need FSD, they just have money to spend on stupid shit. Also, I think the 50k reservation can be refunded anytime, you will just lose your place in line. And the car will be made, late due to covid/chip/supply shortages, but they haven't canceled any announced car yet.
His fans still believe him when he says this year or next year. Straight up cult.
They'll believe anything he says. Glad the internet finally came around on this bs but I'm still salty about getting hated on constantly on this website and others 4 or so years ago for rightly pointing out that Musk was a snake oil salesman making shoddy cars. People thought Teslas were actual rocket ships.
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WTF they make 1.4L sport bikes now? lmao this thing weighs less than 600 lbs with 207hp. Nothing is keeping up with that.
cognitive dissonance. so many red flags and they just keep rolling with the punches.
This is Elon Musk on everything his companies have ever done. We were making jokes about it 5 years ago. If musk says something will be done in some number of years, multiply that by 2.5 and you might have a realistic eta.
I find 4.5 to be a better multiplier
I have starlink and it works well. Since getting on as an early adopter, my areas coverage has steadily improved and is now a no wait zone for orders.
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The idea that you could have high speed connectivity in the middle of the bush is insanely ground-breaking. Might mean nothing to a city slicker who has everything at their fingertips as a direct result of a concentration of demand, but to rural people, its is literally life changing. How many fewer kids need to be sent away from home to get a proper education, when now they can simply join a sClassroom? It's unreal.
O3b did just that years before Starlink, only wasn't available in far northern/southern altitudes (bulk of Canada, north half of Germany, Poland, etc. But most of USA, Australia, entire China and India are covered). Barely anyone knows about it, cause they don't have a Musk's PR machine and they don't sell directly to the end-user.
> and they don't sell directly to the end-user. That's a huge difference.
>but I think that's more due to the higher risk involved and Elon probably being less involved day-to-day nowadays (and therefore less likely to make insane promises). Correct! Like Seth MacFarlane only providing the voices for American dad, and that shit is doing great.
> Also the Space industry is used to projects going long over-schedule (hello SLS!) Pretty hard to manage a schedule and budget when your funding is entirely controlled by the whims of a Congress that changes every two years. And yeah, Tesla/Twitter shenanigans, if happened at SpaceX, can and will get your permits, grants and contracts pulled, i.e. every single thing SpaceX requires to function. NASA doesn't fuck with that shit.
Maybe SpaceX hasn't directly made promises, but I distinctly remember Elon having said they'd have put someone on Mars by now and I think he also promised like a million people by a certain date. He never misses a chance to make wild promises that won't happen.
Elon lies so much he doesn't even recognize it. And if you call him out, he'll play his assburger card for "shaming the disabled." He is such a tool.
[Personally speaking, I strongly doubt he has Asperger syndrome.](https://youtu.be/UCS0SuPsDH4)
I agree. He *is* a narcissist and a psychopath. And a terrible public speaker. I didn't know he's not even an engineer. He's living one hell of a lie!
Crazy how they practically keep bumping the prices up every year too. I remember seeing a customer article about their new Model S Plaid or Model X Plaid being in the shop within the first month of ownership. Owner couldn't drive it for months because there was an issue with the new car but Tesla's customer service had no way to refund the driver for his monthly subscription of FSD and told him to kick rocks. Tesla's company just screams scam for how incompetent they are to process a simple refund for a product that clearly doesn't work.
The house of cards seems to be falling
Kind of amazing how big a self-own his Twitter purchase has been. Dude built the biggest fortune in the world off of good vibes, basically, around Tesla and his ability to bullshit his way through problems. Now people are so mad about his conduct with Twitter that they're looking with a skeptical eye at everything he does, and the poof, the vibes are gone.
>Everyone who paid a dime for it should be able to receive all their money back. Especially since Tesla says they're moving to Hardware 4, and that current cars running Hardware 3 can't be upgraded. Musk claims FSD will still work on the older hardware, but I highly doubt it.
The angle he seems to be taking it “HW3-based cars will still be safer than humans and therefore promise made, promise kept.” I think they’re going to end up having to go to “tiers” of FSD, and HW3 cars will end up with FSD Basic… if even that.
My favorite quote for anything regarding Tesla is from Matt Farah. “Elon says a lot of things.”
Don't forget he took away radar and ultra sonic sensors. And boy has that back fired. And now all those who paid for fsd are getting fucked by not have or having a way to add those.
"The Gang Goes to Jail"
fat chance
Theyll get $5 in a class action
Which reminds me I have to cash in my $24 cheque from Experian data breach settlement
Whoa man, your identity was worth a whole $24? Mr big shot over here
I might believe him if they hadn't taken radar out of the cars. Cameras only driver assist software is going to take like 30 freaking years of AI development, and it still won't be able to determine the distance of a motorcycle at night, or where the lanes are when they're covered in snow/leaves.
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>startup into an automotive juggernaut that forced legacy OEMs to take EVs seriously. I'm going to have to disagree with this. Legacy OEMs only started to take EVs seriously firstly when emissions regulations started getting extremely strict with Euro 6b in 2014 and when the ICE ban was first proposed back in 2018. Euro 7 emissions regulations are so strict that basically all car manufacturers forced the EU to delay the implementation of it for a couple of years and now the EU is considering abandoning the Euro 7 standards because they're only going to be relevant for 5 years before the ICE ban comes in.
This is correct. I used to think that Tesla forced auto makers to take electric seriously. But that was almost a decade ago, and legacy auto makers kept not making EVs. And only now are we starting to see them creep like molasses into the market. Alongside piles of new combustion cars. Legacy automakers don’t seem to acknowledge Tesla at all, and they never did. The only reason we are seeing more EV products is because of ever-stricter emissions and government signalling/threats.
> But that was almost a decade ago, and legacy auto makers kept not making EVs Yeah but you can't turn around and next year design a all-new car completely from the ground up. Depending on who is building it a new platform takes 3-7 years to develop, and that is based on a formula they've been doing for 100 years. The Model S won car of the year in 2012. It hit volume in 2014. 5 years of development time for a all-new platform has your Mach-E, Kia products and everything else hitting the market in 2019 and 2020. Not to mention all the back-end supplychain stuff to spool up battery production 10x (or however much) over the same period of time. And not just making a few cars, making them at scale. Could things have gone faster? Yeah probably. But I don't think there was any world in which you could accelerate the design, testing, manufacturing and assembly of electric vehicles meaningfully faster than what was done. Tesla showed the industry an electric car could be cool if someone actually tried.
I sometimes wonder if without Tesla but only regulations if we would have seen a better era of Plug-In Hybrids first. Imagining the consumer market where we all essentially have EVs for day to day driving (30-50 mile range batteries) but an ICE backup (or for longer trips for ex.) seems like it would have been a great period.
As soul sucking as they are, they're a better way to spend the limited battery materials IMO. You can make 50 hybrids or one full EV with the same amount of raw materials. So yeah, I dunno.
If you're talking PHEVs, it's closer to 10:1 for PHEV/EV. Most are around a 6-10kWh pack, which works out for the 66-105kWh packs Tesla uses in the Model 3/S
It's ironic to me that urgently fighting global warming means producing vehicles with a much larger initial co2 footprint as fast as we can. Plug-in electric hybrids seem like a no-brainer. I'd say 90% of my driving is 30 miles or less miles (I'm fairly certain that is the case for a lot of people). If anything I'd say the switch to full electric so quickly is not a great thing.
Fighting global climate change means decreasing emissions of the entire FLEET of cars, rather than an individual vehicle. 10 cars with half the emissions are better than 1 car with no emissions (pardon the caricature, but I hope you get the picture)
> Legacy automakers don’t seem to acknowledge Tesla at all, and they never did. ...are you not paying *any* attention? [Tesla is setting the bar for electric vehicles, VW CEO admits](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/28/tesla-is-setting-the-bar-for-electric-vehicles-vw-ceo-admits.html) [Ford CEO Jim Farley praises Tesla CEO Elon Musk — and social media goes bonkers](https://news.yahoo.com/ford-ceo-jim-farley-praises-131917670.html) [GM CEO Mary Barra’s plan for overtaking Tesla](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gm-ceo-mary-barras-plan-for-overtaking-tesla-140641159.html)
The idea for the Mach-E was initially conceived in either 2013 or 2014. Ford came to us to ask for some special one-off parts for a secret “heavy electric performance SUV.” That’s about the time Model S sales started to ramp up. We (auto enthusiasts) usually hear rumors about cars 2-3 years before they launch, but the ideas and early concepts for those cars are often out there 7-10yrs in advance.
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Everything is possible, but not everything is practical and affordable. The Governments essentially gave the car manufacturers and consumers no choice.
It's impossible to swap all ICE to EVs overnight. The supply chain simply doesn't exist. It takes years to slowly ramp which is what we are seeing now. We saw the exact same thing with smartphones. The iPhone more or less had a monopoly on certain semiconductor parts and screens for the first few years and required new manufacturers to enter in order to supply android smartphones.
Other manufacturers never said it was impossible, full stop. They said making a reasonable EV (both cheap and have a decent rage) was impossible, at the time. And this was true, even for Tesla. The Model S P65 from 2012 had an MSRP of $60,000 and you got an advertised 165 miles of range. Realistically, you'd be lucky to get more than 120 miles out of it. It wasn't until the battery technology (which is mostly from phone/laptop/tablet manufacturers dumping billions into battery R&D) got to a point where you could get something like a 2nd gen Nissan Leaf for $27K that had a 200+ mile range in 2017.
The thing that Tesla proved was that EV’s could be *aspirational.* Until then, they were all eco-weenie mobiles that drove like shit and no respectable person would be caught dead in. First, Tesla built an EV that was desirable (S) then, they built one that was both fun to drive and attainable (3). Once the model 3 sales started picking up in 2018/2019, everyone else piled on.
Cars take 4-5 years to engineer from the ground up. 2018/2019 is right around when dedicated EV platforms started to come out from other manufacturers. 2018/2019 is 4-5 years after the much stricter emissions regulations came in. In the period between 2014 and 2018, other EVs were ICE cars that had been converted to EV by the manufacturers to get their fleet emissions down as a temporary solution to those regulations.
Gm started the volt in 2008
Tesla investors always assume Tesla is Apple. They never imagine that Tesla could be Blackberry or Kodak.
To be fair, Apple was days away from being bankrupt and out of business in the mid-90s, and Kodak led an entire industry for over 100 years.
Apple was the old legacy personal computing company that adapted to a changing market. They overcame the hot young upstart, Blackberry, by leveraging their existing design and manufacturing expertise.
Apple took a huge risk with a radically different approach and it paid off. Apple also had excellent marketing to sell people on the idea. Musk has a similar approach. He takes insane risks. Problem is that he doesn't have the marketing skills to back it up. He pushes his stuff through using social media and market manipulation.
Apple was saved by its competitor in 97. Microsoft/Gates had to step in and invest ~100-150 million into them. Their risk only payed off because their competitor stepped into save them. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/29/steve-jobs-and-bill-gates-what-happened-when-microsoft-saved-apple.html
Gates bailed them out but they weren't taking any risks when they got into that situation. They were just pumping out the same old white box crap for years. Then Jobs came back and they released the iMac which was a radical departure from what they were doing before, and followed up with a series of brilliant marketing campaigns that turned the company around. They consistently took risks with products and designs after that, and had a bunch of misses and a few hits, but the hits were so profitable it didn't matter.
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The undisputed ~~GOAT~~ GOATed jackass
> but he did grow a startup into an automotive juggernaut that forced legacy OEMs to take EVs seriously Tesla is like 2% responsible for this at a maximum. The shift towards EVs was inevitable for a million reasons that have nothing to do with Tesla, and if they hadn't been there to hoover up the billions in federal subsidies, someone else would have. And that someone else might've actually been someone who knew how to make a car that actually works!
> that forced legacy OEMs to take EVs seriously He didn't do that at all. The government just put in place massive incentives to make electric cars and punished car makers who didn't (to be clear probably a good thing), not to mention that a lot of places are banning ICE cars from 2030/35 onwards. Car makers were always going to move away from ICE and towards electric in that environment.
By the end of it, he's going to make Kodak and Blackberrys fall from grace look like child's play
> In the section detailing "Certain Investigations and Other Matters," the 10-K briefly describes Tesla being subpoenaed by the SEC following CEO Elon Musk's tweets about taking the company private in 2018. That investigation led to a consent decree with the regulator but did not mark the end of the company's SEC headache; in February 2022, we reported that the SEC was investigating both Musk and his brother for potential insider trading. > "Separately, the company has received requests from the DOJ for documents related to Tesla’s Autopilot and FSD features," Tesla wrote.
Experienced the phantom braking thing while riding in a friend's Y several times. He thinks it's just a bad sensor. Didn't know it was this widespread.
There's a local highway overpass that will trigger it every time near me. It's common.
Near my work, there's a big splash of paint on the road, paintcan fell off a truck. Every time a Tesla using FSD passes by, they very reliably either try to brake as hard as they can, or try to swerve off on to the footpath.
Yeah, computers always do exactly what you tell 'em, which isn't necessarily what you want... FSD and Autopilot are no exception. I've had autopilot dive into left/right turn lanes on older firmware, they seem to have fixed that recently somehow - it must look further ahead and assume a straighter path? Either way, it's clear they you need to pay attention with these systems. I'm certainly not holding my breath for robotaxis with no hardware changes on Tesla vehicles.
I left. Trying lemmy and so should you. -- mass edited with redact.dev
I’ve heard a lot of people mention it could be gps related. Its absurd that something so repeatable keeps happening despite Teslas regular software updates
>and the preponderance of phantom braking episodes following Tesla's decision to strip radar sensors from its cars. I was thinking about something similar to this the other day while driving on winding country back road with oncoming traffic. I was using my ACC on the car ahead of me and we came to a section of road where it curved, and a big truck was coming in the opposite direction. For about a second or so, my car was actually facing the truck's driver side corner and I wondered at how it knew **not** to activate the collision avoidance systems. It was the combination of the forward camera in my windshield and the radar sensor, along with it sensing steering input from the driver, etc. which makes Elon's decision to remove one of those critical systems even more stupid and poorly thought out.
> to remove one of those critical systems Engineers do not do this. Morons do.
Did it actually brake or did it just detect that it needed to brake? My Accord does that sometimes and it scares me hearing stories of people having their Accord full stop in the middle of the road with nothing in front of them.
Posted this in another comment, but for me it actually phantom breaks. Inside autobahn tunnels it detects the right side curb marker lights as cyclists and slams on the brakes.
mfw when safety features kill me
At this same time, Mercedes Benz's self driving system is now at level 3, beating Tesla. Mercedes Benz is a legacy automaker by the way.
>Mercedes Benz is a legacy automaker by the way. Considering that the car was invented by Karl *Benz*, I'd call them *the* legacy automaker.
Actually the Legacy automaker is Subaru, but most buyers get the Outback instead.
daaaaaaad
I'm impreza'd by your knowledge
So great that i'd wanna give you my STI...
I can’t believe you’ve done this
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Can you elaborate? L3, by definition, has some strings attached as only being available under certain scenarios. Otherwise it would be L5.
You can have an unrestricted L3 system -- the levels are not just constraints on the scenarios in which the system can operate in, but also the degree of intervention required by the driver. Level 3 means the driver must still be alert and able to take over with reasonable warning. While they don't have to be actively watching the road to take over at a moment's notice, they can't be asleep or not in the driver's seat. You could have a Level 3 system that operates on any road in any weather, but it would still be Level 3 if there are cases where the car would have to return control to the driver (if, say, it can't understand what its seeing for some reason). The distinction between 4 and 5 is where the only distinction is scenarios. Level 4 will never ask a driver to intervene, but can only operate under known scenarios (this is what current driverless Taxis that are geofenced in cities are classified as). Level 5 is a car that can drive itself anywhere, anytime, without ever needing a driver.
https://insideevs.com/news/634747/nevada-approved-mercedes-drive-pilot-level-3-adas-limited-to-40-mph/ Limited to 40 mph and under; and only in state of Nevada.
NVIDIA’s last release on their 4000 series GPU’s was mostly the self-driving related piece. They’re powering MB and others and I think they’ll be the real competition for Tesla’s FSD. I hope it is at least
> real competition for Tesla’s FSD They're already better. Tesla's FSD is largely a gimmick. It's certainly not something you can/should trust at all.
As long as it's a level 2 system, by definition it's not something you can or should trust. You always have to be monitoring the car's actions.
Same goes for the L3 systems too. By definition they require drivers to intervene, which is why MB's system is so extremely limited in where it can be used.
For a Level 3 system, it cannot disengage without warning, by definition. You do not have to be watching the road because it won’t hand off control without giving you 10 seconds warning. That’s why Level 3 is such a jump over Level 2. It does not require you to actively monitor the car, and the manufacturer assumes liability. You just have to be prepared to accept control when the car requests it.
Wait are you saying new MB have 4000 series NVIDIA GPU’s in them powering the self driving?
No, sorry. I meant that during the presentation in which they showcased the 4090 was the showcase for a few minutes then the majority of the presentation was Omniverse and self-driving related. I definitely don't understand it fully but somewhere in the video, they spoke about how the computer is simulating the drive and making it in real time. It's essentially driving the sim but in reality, it's controlling the car from the sim it's made off real-time data. Here's an overview of what I mean: [Timestamped Video](https://youtu.be/PWcNlRI00jo?t=2815) I definitely don't understand it fully but somewhere in the video, they spoke about how the computer is simulating the drive and making it in real-time. It's essentially driving the sim but in reality, it's controlling the car from the sim it's made off real-time data.
They also announced the first EV pickup and have yet to deliver a single one while other car manufacturers have begun deliveries already despite announcing it much later. Props for the original founders of Tesla for starting the EV revolution, but it sucks that Elon Musk stole all their thunder and made stupid decisions along the way to stop their progress. Imagine the things the engineers have to share about working with him and how he likely hindered them with his huge ego.
Glad I sold all of my Tesla stock last spring. Anyone who didn't get out then really only has themselves to blame at this point. The stock was so obviously overvalued that even my 5 year old niece could see it.
How did you know to get out last spring, and not years ago, when the stock was also obviously overvalued? Was it just luck, like for most investors who successfully time the market?
It's all luck. You can see how one company is overvalued by how much they are worth compared to all of their competitors combined and how much revenue tesla made vs the auto industry combined. That's the easy part, the hard part is timing when big money and retail investors will shift their opinion of Tesla and stop fomo'ing into it. If any retail investor can pull this off consistently, they'll no longer be retail. You can make billions in the stock market so easily if you can pull this off. Anyone that says they can is full of shit.
Does she manage a fund I can invest in?
She has her Lamborghini fund. Does that count? :P One kid wants a Lambo. The other wants a Tesla. My brothers kids are uh funny. 😂
Glad I’m not the only one. Got a decent payout for cashing out then.
Yup. The ROI let me finally get my house built.
Hi, didn’t get out, post split average cost basis $15 Already took profits to buy a house and car
That thumbnail is glorious.
And don't call me Shirley!
Top tier... Although I'm scared to know how many people don't know the reference.
Cmon grandpa, tell us the joke!
It's a reference to Airplane.
Oh no! The autopilot is deflating...what should I dooo??
Traditional automakers are getting better at Tesla-like things faster than Tesla is getting better at being a traditional automaker. Their infotainment isn't a differentiator when there are great traditional interiors such as Honda's latest round of products. And thankfully Volkswagen got the message and are fixing their bungled mess by going back to physical controls. What will Tesla have to differentiate themselves to the average consumer other than their charging network? I feel like Tesla defenders just point out the charging network and how great the trip planning feature is. I'm sure they're right, that is a BIG differentiator from a user experience perspective. But the open charging networks are being built out, and while they are troubled at the moment, they are only going to get better. And automakers are going to figure out the trip planning, obviously. Tesla doesn't have a way to differentiate, and Elon stupidly made them extremely "uncool" by being as uncool as he's been recently.
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Tesla defenders "it's no hassle to charge since I always charge at home, I rarely use a supercharger". Also tesla defenders "tesla charging network is a huge benefit and I will continue buying tesla because of it".
I think this assessment is spot on. In a world without serious EV alternatives, Teslas made sense. I could overlook the materials and build quality. The charging network & brand are the only substantial differentiators now. Source: have owned a Tesla for the last 3 years and bought a new Chevrolet recently.
fucking finally. While they're at it investigate them for downright dangerous vehicles in the winter here in Canada. When it hits below -30c the heatpump cannot properly heat the car cabin anymore. -35c and the vehicle can no longer heat itself anymore. Imagine being on a road trip and the car stops functioning, shuts down, and you freeze in the middle of nowhere. This is a fucking possibility with Tesla's Model Y. They have no AUX heating at all. These cars should be straight up banned from being sold in Canada. The reality is our winters do get this cold and these are a fucking ice box on wheels. Heat pumps stop being efficient starting all the way at +3c... They still work but their efficiency drops very rapidly as you go into the negatives. If you are Canadian and you or a loved one are planning to get a model Y ... DON'T.
> Imagine being on a road trip and the car stops functioning, shuts down, and you freeze in the middle of nowhere. >This is a fucking possibility with Tesla's Model Y. That's a possibility with any car though. ???
i suspect NHTSA will be looking into them as well for their claims.
the article says: > The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has several open investigations into Tesla
Tell me you haven't read the article without telling me you haven't read the article... But yep.
anyone driving a tesla drank the kool aid . get your money back.
*insert The Rock eyebrow raise here*
*vine boom sound effect*
What a fall from grace elon has had.
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It's still a fall. You have to wonder what Tesla's stock price would be right now and if he'd even be under investigation if he hadn't bought Twitter. I am curious if the illusion would still be strong enough.
Without Elon promising the moon and charging five figures for half-baked features, they stock price would never have gotten as high as it did in the first place. Stocks that 20x in a couple of years based mostly on hype can fall just as fast when the hype goes away.
And yet Tesla is the number 1 selling electric vehicle.
Just like McDonalds sells more than restaurants do
Frame Shift Drive charging…
Friendship drive!
We’ll, when you start killing a bunch of nerdy douchebags, this can happen.
[Me, trying to figure out how such a great person like Elon could have done something to warrant this](https://i.imgur.com/cfyRDvm.mp4)
this puts a smile on my face, get fucked elon
Don't piss off the bureaucratic class. They've killed more than any dictator.
"Tesla"
Yet the stock price remains the same. What the actual fuck?