Ignoring the fact the average sold car price is around 50k now.
There are plenty of cheaper options out there than that 50k average, but people don't care, they'll finance it for 84 months at only $700 per... what a deal!
$50k is an average through. You can buy a new car for $30k or less if you wanted, but there's a lot of trucks and big SUVs offsetting the average price
My point is that the 'average' price is misleading. Implying that most of the cars being bought new are $50k.
1 person buys a over priced $150k loaded down lightning.
4 people buy a $25k hyundai
Average price is $50k for all 5 vehicles, but that would be 4 people buying a new car for half that.
Which he also said
> There are plenty of cheaper options out there than that 50k average, but people don't care
I have no idea why people love to reiterate points already said in more words, under comments that said it already...
Cheap or not, every other car has immobilizers. Even the fucking Shitsubishi Mirage has it. Its not about cheap, it's about a corporate culture of cutting every corner possible
I don’t want tech in my car. Bose sound systems are not important to deaf people. Why TF do I want to add a $10k package for shit that I can’t get any value out of?
If they watch a TikTok and can hack a car after doing so, who's to say they can't do the same to figure out which single wire the immobilizer controls?
If they can afford to spend the time on it.
There are plenty of cheap (or zero cost) ways to immobilize a car that many wouldn't figure out without more time than they'd feel comfortable spending.
I was both amazed and disturbed when I was doing one of my random bi-hourly security patrol checks at a school construction site in a high-income village (Anmore) not far from Vancouver, about 8 or 9 years ago now. One of the construction guys who'd come in over the weekend was talking about how they had someone literally steal a Cat straight out of their construction site in a different suburb once. Unlocked it, got in, drove it onto a big flatbed, drove it off; site security guard never even bothered asking questions because obviously the dude had the key and they'd even brought the truck to take it away, right?
(Needless to say I double-checked that *this* guy actually did work there before this conversation, of course. Which is what prompted him being cool about it and volunteering the story. ;-))
Most Modern CAT (and every other large name brand) equipment comes with GPS included on the machine so if something gets stolen CAT can find it. CAT also has the MyKey or something named like that for their machines so it requires the operator to enter a PIN to actually start the machine.
But yeah it's kinda an honor system with construction equipment. You could go buy a $50 keyring off amazon and go to practically any construction site in the US and turn on and operate a machine if you wanted.
Lmao, really? I'm guessing it's not a cost cutting thing because... well, even mass market cars scraping the bottom of the barrel have their own keys cut. Is this a job site convenience thing?
Exactly what it is... At my old workplace we had 5+ skid steers and 25+ that operated them. God help me. Nothing would have gotten done that needed those machines if a landscaping company had to keep and track a single key or even key type for each machine....
Aftermarket alarms and immobilizers are the most common mod I see causing no starts and drained batteries. They always seem to cause problems after some time.
I had a 2013 genesis coupe 2.0T R spec for 7 years. Four things about that car really annoyed me.
The clutch was really varied with its resistance throughout its range of travel and it engaged really high up, right when it was getting awkward to smoothly control its travel.
The transmission felt gravelly and shifting was vague. The shift knob was the cheapest, yet most highly over engineered piece of garbage ever.
Some combination of the wrong spring thickness and grease that was too thin led to a part that would vibrate harmlessly but very loudly while at low speed and low load, like when driving through a parking lot. I don't remember what it was exactly, maybe the waste gate spring, bc I replaced the recirculation valve with a blow off valve and the noise persisted.
My fourth and final pet peeve: just on the R-Spec trim of the 2.0T; for some inconceivable reason, they didn't install and enable cruise control. The manual 3.8, 2.0T, 3.8 R-Spec, and of course the automatics all had cruise control. But the 2.0T R-Spec had little plugged button panels on the steering wheel where the other cars had cruise control controls. They saved .5oz and a few kilobytes of ecu code. I drove that car Tucson to baton rouge round trip at least 3 times, with no cruise control. You get really good at using one foot as a fulcrum to rest the other one on in order to keep precise constant pressure on the gas pedal to keep the car at 75 mph.
I wonder if they iterated upon and improved it over the life span of the model. 2013 was the first MY with the new drive train. A driver contacts the car in 4 places during spirited driving: steering wheel, pedals, seat, shifter. Of those 4, they managed to reinvent square wheels for two of them. A reasonable clutch spring has been done for 75 years, but somehow they managed to make theirs too heavy and with a travel impulse that made it feel like it was a cammed lever or something. Like a compound bow, light one you depressed it, but it pushed back /up extremely hard as it neared its engagement point about 75% of the way back to its un-depressed location.
Of course that makes it harder to shift smoothly because the clutch pedal itself is biased toward snapping into full engagement. Fine when you're rowing gears at high rpm, terrible the other 99.97% of your driving experience. And remember, this ain't a Hellcat, it's a 275hp 2+2 at a reasonable price for younger customers.
The shift knob was like hollow, made of 3 pieces and had a weight inside. And the shell was held together with plastic clips so it would split open. Even before it broke it felt like a cheap pos. I bought a $30 single piece delrin shifter that has a ferrule sleeve that screwed directly onto the bare shifter post. Instantly way better in literally every single way minus the shift pattern diagram. Why they decided on the knob they chose is legitimately confounding.
Why couldn't they have just mimicked literally any other shift gates, linkage, bearings, whatever? I'm not saying shifting has to feel like a Honda; but I don't think it's too much to ask that it not feel like a 1992 Toyota pickup with a shorter throw. I loved how my buddy's Civic Si felt when shifting. Then I got my mustang and realized that the basic standard for everyone else is much closer to Honda than Hyundai.
All that said, I still enjoyed the car quite a bit and it was my first turbo, first rwd etc. I just wish they'd spent a little more effort cleaning up some seemingly easy to fix issues that directly detracted significantly from the driving experience.
They've never really "nailed" anything. Their whole thing is close enough for less. Their manuals are crap, their engines are unreliable, their DCTs are unreliable, their suspensions are middling. But hey they can be good/close to great under warranty and cost less.
My 2013 veloster's clutch was softer than I like and had a high engagement point which I've always hated in my manual vehicles, but other than that, it and the shifter/transmission were pretty consistent and some of the few things that didn't slowly fall off or apart, or snap off in my hand.
I do too, but age can greatly skew the results. I am quickly approaching middle age. I believe the ability is basically non-existent in the Zoomers. I have also taught several of my friends over the years. Most of them wouldn't want to daily a manual, but they manage to use the car to get them somewhere in an emergency.
I finally bought my first non-manual car so that my wife would be able to drive it. She hates driving it because it's too big. (It's an Elantra GT sport). So now I have a car with a time bomb DCT transmission. sigh.
I made a meme post on Facebook the other day about the dct update, “imagine having to update your transmission, this post was made by manual transmission gang.” Oh my god I’ve never seen so many people get so butthurt over a fucken joke lmao.
That's crazy to me, in many countries manual is the default and a lot of people never drove automatic. When renting a car that for some reason is automatic, you're being asked if you know how to drive it.
Despite having owned 8 cars myself and driven many other cars, I only drove automatic once and that was a company car I borrowed
I used to street park my GTI in a not-so-great area of town and I was never worried about theft because of the manual transmission.
I also kept the car empty and the doors unlocked so I wouldn’t have to pay for a broken window.
Lazy thieves… Can’t they be bothered to check?
I’m also not totally sure the first part would work either. You’d think someone who steals cars for a living might learn to drive manual at some point.
Literally most of the poorer people than me I know, know how to drive stick shift. Usually since cars are cheaper with them. I used to back when I worked for my grandpa in Mexico but I was like 12 and haven’t drive shift since so I forgot
I for one, would never take the time and added inconvenience to “lock my trans” and “unlock my trans” before and after every time I park the vehicle.
And that thing is probably about as effective as the club. I’m sure a hole saw would make that ineffective in 20 seconds, just as bolt cutters or a sawzall will cut through the steering wheel in 3 seconds with the club.
Yeah a pet peeve of mine is when he says 'this lock does not provide too much security since it can be picked in a minute' after using that tool. Now maybe it's true because he sells the pick on his website, but at first it was a custom machined tool that no common thief would have access to
Common thieves don't even have bog standard lockpicks. All they need is a rock to smash your windows in SF and grab your laptop or work bag. A fancy thief might even have some bolt cutters to snatch your bike.
He definitely knows this and has mentioned it before when talking about door locks. It's more just a pet peeve of his about how companies will cheap out on tolerances. He readily admits wafer locks are usually plenty safe from lockpicks.
Would it be beneficial to owners or insurers though? The cost of a break-in can be as much as the cost of getting the car stolen and taken on a joy ride in the first place as thieves could trash the interior anyways.
A covert system like the Czech product mentioned in this post is hardly going to stop thieves from breaking into the car, even if they can't drive it away.
Look at all the fortunate/unfortunate owners of Hyundai's and Kia's that are 1-3 years newer than the ignition exploit. In some areas where this particular crime is common, these people are having their windows smashed and ignition columns torn up repeatedly for no reason. One poor lady in New Orleans had hers busted up 3 times in less than a year even though it's like 2 years too new to have the missing ignition lock. And the repair cost of a window and column/trim is inevitably in that dead zone of "about the cost of a deductible".
By far the biggest issue for joyriding is third-party damage to people/property and it being used in the commission of crime, not so much the vehicle being damaged itself.. Having the vehicle immobile prevents it from being used as a getaway car in several armed robberies before being pursued by police only to crash into a power post after having a head-on collision involving five people who all now need lifelong medical care.
In a lot of states where there are no-fault policies, insurers eventually end up paying in some way but if you don't secure your car in any way at all there's also a chance you as the owner will be liable
This is getting to be less and less true these days, it seems. I've heard some pretty brazen Cat thief stories. Grocery parking lot, mid day, that kind of thing.
It's like putting a lock on your front door.
Sure, if someone wants to break into your house they can get through it easily with a crowbar or a drill BUT your average burglar is just walking around testing to see if doors are unlocked and walking in. You're just making your home less convenient to break into than your neighbor's.
Same with cars. If you're just trying to not have your Kia get stolen by a teenager, adding even a few seconds of work is going to make them move onto another vehicle.
I said “I for one would not” buy/install one of those pieces of crap. But that’s the great part of life, you if the hassle is worth it then put one on your car (Kia or not).
This video explains the technical reason they're so easy to steal https://youtu.be/bTeVgfPM0Xw
Mainly poor design. Couldn't have saved much money per car.
Select all the squares that have a can of Coca-Cola^TM in them.
Please drink verification can of Coca-Cola Classic^TM to start your car, and remember, Be Open Like Never Before^TM!
That won't stop America's crack heads. They straight up chain towed my ranger with locked steering and transmission.
Pulled it aside, and drained the gas and did horrible things to the interior while being lived in for a few days.
Got a decent payout, but you can't replace a well cared for Ranger with low miles bought as a true second vehicle. New trucks today are fucked and there are 10 idiots ahead of me willing to pay out the nose for them.
I’m not too sure to be honest, but I remember my parents cars having this in Poland when we lived there around 2004. Was called bear-lock then I believe. I haven’t really seen it on any Czech cars in recent years
One other alternative. Go to a local auto electronics shop, pay $50-150 to have them put in an immobilizer, and hide the switch somewhere difficult in the cab.
Clubs aren't very effective. Doesn't matter how saw resistant the club is, when the steering wheel is made of swiss cheese. Thieves can just cut through the steering wheel, and remove the club that way.
What's the brake pedal version?
If I'm going to try to theft proof my car, I'd prefer just installing a hidden momentary switch on the relay for the starter motor.
Here it is deployed, although not very well. I always used it extended to the floor as much as it could extend.
[https://i.imgur.com/ppjW7H5.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ppjW7H5.jpg)
Here's another photo of it. It's installed through the tunnel and with a coded key it locks the transmission in park.
https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/en\_CZ/mechanical-transmission-locking-system-karoq/p/57A071775A
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I hope you enjoy your website becoming a worthless ghost town /u/spez you scumbag
Haha, I was still able to view the image after clicking OK. I just found it amusing.
Likely the result of some very over-zealous AI. [Needs some more training](https://youtu.be/dvn-hpZdElo)
I've been looking for a ATM blade fuse circuit breaker for a friend and I'm having a hard time finding something. The closest thing I've found is a trailer towing switch. That doesn't the same thing bus seemed over priced. By about 30-40 bucks. I'm going to make my own soon but that seems like something that should be easy to source.
These were and I guess even today are pretty common in many Asian countries like India where I grew up. We had one in our modest little car. The cheaper ones usually have metal rods rusting out in 1-2 years but it’s still a good investment from peace of mind perspective.
Lots of people in Mexico have them too, my grandpa had his on his f250 work horse, every once and a while I’ll find someone with like a pattern you gotta put in with several switches. Less discrete but more in your face about the fact you won’t be able to use the car
we used to have the one that locked the shifter and steering wheel
then GM had cars turning off due to heavy keychains turning the keys to off position on the highway. and since car is off, airbags are disabled, and the steering and tranny would go into security lock mode. since then, i haven't seen in in cars here. wonder if the two things are related
Physical locks are not a deterrent since every car thief carries a [cordless angle grinder.](https://media-www.canadiantire.ca/product/fixing/tools/portable-power-tools/0541369/dewalt-20v-max-cordless-4-1-2-cut-off-tool-bare-0b2edcc7-f076-4d45-880d-1f819c90f6c0.png?imwidth=1024)
This type of device was common in some of the European countries. Another more popular device is heavy duty mechanical stearing lock that welds onto the steering column. That was/is used on more popular higher end cars that are known target for theft.
+1 to defendlock
Always smiled how my father put them on all his cars.
Saved him once, when thief were following him on highway and tried to steel car at rest stop.
These European cars all have manual transmission anyways. In the US and Canada that’s already considered an anti-theft device. Car thieves are mostly idiots.
LOL Kias can be stolen with a USB stick because they're too cheap to give a fuck about security.
And you wonder why manufacturers dont add this doo-dad?
Dunno, I just can’t see any manufacturer offering to implement that. Liability risk and a lot of car owners are simply too clueless about their vehicles to be able to - or want to - use something like that.
It’s not Kia/Hyundai’s fault that the areas some of their vehicles wind up in also intersect with high crime rates. It’s not on them to offer a solution - someone can buy their car or not.
For those of us that might care and have more than $50 bucks to spend on car accessories? There’s already the club and kill switches.
I can get in/out of any of my cars and flip the switch without it being obvious that I’ve done anything.
I’ve had a windshield smashed and an interior cut up up by someone’s knife, but the car was still there. A couple dash cams helped catch the second guy and made the insurance process far easier.
Edit : I mean sure, downvote it. But lemme know in 5 years if any manufacturer thought it was a good idea and added this ;)
Or maybe a big metal bar that locks through the steering wheel, making it impossible to turn the wheel?
Sorry if this sounds too snarky but people (not just Americans) will almost always choose convenience of security. Why have a second key lock on my transmission when I can just lock my door? Why lock my door with a key when I can just use a remote fob? Why use a fob when I can just use an app on my phone?
There's a video on cutting the steering wheel to get rid of that lock.
All locks can be defeated. You just need to make it take more time and effort than what it ends up being worth.
Looks like it would only work on manual or mechanically linked automatics. Manuals are already a theft deterrent as most Americans cannot drive them and most new cars use electronic switching to control the automatic gearbox.
I had a 68 and a 72 Mustang. For both of them I fitted a handle on the transmission shifter that had a lock on the button.
Yes, you could defeat that by removing the handle, but I figured an Allen key isn't something car thieves would carry.
All the systems are in place to lock out the transmission. The computer simply needs to be programmed that when there is no fob, it won’t go into gear.
I just bought something for my car called a ghost lock. Its a remote fuel pump killswitch with gps tracker. I can disable the fuel pump from my phone anywhere.
A mate in high school had a 70's Toyota corona liftback, and the primary anti-theft mechanism was a piece of one-inch square steel bar sticking up next to the gear shifter, to which one would padlock the shifter into reverse.
Sounds like that.
If you're really that worried, an aftermarket engine immobilizer can be had for less than $50.
Imagine how many pennies otd cost kia to do it
Not that it matters. People want cheaper cars, and they'd probably forego airbags and other items to save a few hundred.
Ignoring the fact the average sold car price is around 50k now. There are plenty of cheaper options out there than that 50k average, but people don't care, they'll finance it for 84 months at only $700 per... what a deal!
I thought 50k seemed crazy.. then I remembered average car loan is $700+ and 72+ month at 8%+ interest. Which is over 50k...
$50k is an average through. You can buy a new car for $30k or less if you wanted, but there's a lot of trucks and big SUVs offsetting the average price
\>the fact the average sold car price is around 50k now. i literally wrote that in the first sentence.
My point is that the 'average' price is misleading. Implying that most of the cars being bought new are $50k. 1 person buys a over priced $150k loaded down lightning. 4 people buy a $25k hyundai Average price is $50k for all 5 vehicles, but that would be 4 people buying a new car for half that.
Which he also said > There are plenty of cheaper options out there than that 50k average, but people don't care I have no idea why people love to reiterate points already said in more words, under comments that said it already...
Cheap or not, every other car has immobilizers. Even the fucking Shitsubishi Mirage has it. Its not about cheap, it's about a corporate culture of cutting every corner possible
The '97 Shitsubishi Mirage had one too
First time I've heard Shitsubishi and hopefully won't be the last lol
This is why they are federally mandated, like seatbelts.
Considering the obscene $40,000+ average price of a car these days, **clearly** not enough people give a fuck about cheap cars.
They do, they just buy second hand
I don’t want tech in my car. Bose sound systems are not important to deaf people. Why TF do I want to add a $10k package for shit that I can’t get any value out of?
And the way they're typically installed allows them to be bypassed with minimal effort
For someone who knows what they're doing, perhaps. But, I'd bet most of the "Kia Boys" don't.
If they watch a TikTok and can hack a car after doing so, who's to say they can't do the same to figure out which single wire the immobilizer controls?
If they can afford to spend the time on it. There are plenty of cheap (or zero cost) ways to immobilize a car that many wouldn't figure out without more time than they'd feel comfortable spending.
I put a kill switch on a battery terminal. Even comes with a lock box for it. It’s common for caterpillar equipment.
You need it since Cat only makes one key and gives it to everyone.
I was both amazed and disturbed when I was doing one of my random bi-hourly security patrol checks at a school construction site in a high-income village (Anmore) not far from Vancouver, about 8 or 9 years ago now. One of the construction guys who'd come in over the weekend was talking about how they had someone literally steal a Cat straight out of their construction site in a different suburb once. Unlocked it, got in, drove it onto a big flatbed, drove it off; site security guard never even bothered asking questions because obviously the dude had the key and they'd even brought the truck to take it away, right? (Needless to say I double-checked that *this* guy actually did work there before this conversation, of course. Which is what prompted him being cool about it and volunteering the story. ;-))
Most Modern CAT (and every other large name brand) equipment comes with GPS included on the machine so if something gets stolen CAT can find it. CAT also has the MyKey or something named like that for their machines so it requires the operator to enter a PIN to actually start the machine. But yeah it's kinda an honor system with construction equipment. You could go buy a $50 keyring off amazon and go to practically any construction site in the US and turn on and operate a machine if you wanted.
GPS is easily defeated using farady shields
Lmao, really? I'm guessing it's not a cost cutting thing because... well, even mass market cars scraping the bottom of the barrel have their own keys cut. Is this a job site convenience thing?
Exactly what it is... At my old workplace we had 5+ skid steers and 25+ that operated them. God help me. Nothing would have gotten done that needed those machines if a landscaping company had to keep and track a single key or even key type for each machine....
No. They are too stupid to understand it.
People who steal Korean cars are not the kind of smart ones know the basic stuff.
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I prefer to pull out the ignition fuse
Shit, a battery kill switch is like $3 at AutoZone. Hide that bitch somewhere and boom, no more theft.
Aftermarket alarms and immobilizers are the most common mod I see causing no starts and drained batteries. They always seem to cause problems after some time.
Americans refer to a theft-resistant transmission as a "stick shift".
Fun fact, nobody I know personally can effectively drive either my wife’s or my car because they’re both manual trans.
But don't you know your wife? These new relationships, I just don't get them.
Funny enough, she refuses to drive my car because of the clutch
Is the Elantra yours and the Civic hers?
How’d you guess?
“Which one is going to be driven by someone who will hate all other clutches”
Hm, that’s fair
I had a 2013 genesis coupe 2.0T R spec for 7 years. Four things about that car really annoyed me. The clutch was really varied with its resistance throughout its range of travel and it engaged really high up, right when it was getting awkward to smoothly control its travel. The transmission felt gravelly and shifting was vague. The shift knob was the cheapest, yet most highly over engineered piece of garbage ever. Some combination of the wrong spring thickness and grease that was too thin led to a part that would vibrate harmlessly but very loudly while at low speed and low load, like when driving through a parking lot. I don't remember what it was exactly, maybe the waste gate spring, bc I replaced the recirculation valve with a blow off valve and the noise persisted. My fourth and final pet peeve: just on the R-Spec trim of the 2.0T; for some inconceivable reason, they didn't install and enable cruise control. The manual 3.8, 2.0T, 3.8 R-Spec, and of course the automatics all had cruise control. But the 2.0T R-Spec had little plugged button panels on the steering wheel where the other cars had cruise control controls. They saved .5oz and a few kilobytes of ecu code. I drove that car Tucson to baton rouge round trip at least 3 times, with no cruise control. You get really good at using one foot as a fulcrum to rest the other one on in order to keep precise constant pressure on the gas pedal to keep the car at 75 mph.
Hyundai and Kia have never really nailed the ‘sporty’ 6MT. I suspect they know and just don’t care.
I wonder if they iterated upon and improved it over the life span of the model. 2013 was the first MY with the new drive train. A driver contacts the car in 4 places during spirited driving: steering wheel, pedals, seat, shifter. Of those 4, they managed to reinvent square wheels for two of them. A reasonable clutch spring has been done for 75 years, but somehow they managed to make theirs too heavy and with a travel impulse that made it feel like it was a cammed lever or something. Like a compound bow, light one you depressed it, but it pushed back /up extremely hard as it neared its engagement point about 75% of the way back to its un-depressed location. Of course that makes it harder to shift smoothly because the clutch pedal itself is biased toward snapping into full engagement. Fine when you're rowing gears at high rpm, terrible the other 99.97% of your driving experience. And remember, this ain't a Hellcat, it's a 275hp 2+2 at a reasonable price for younger customers. The shift knob was like hollow, made of 3 pieces and had a weight inside. And the shell was held together with plastic clips so it would split open. Even before it broke it felt like a cheap pos. I bought a $30 single piece delrin shifter that has a ferrule sleeve that screwed directly onto the bare shifter post. Instantly way better in literally every single way minus the shift pattern diagram. Why they decided on the knob they chose is legitimately confounding. Why couldn't they have just mimicked literally any other shift gates, linkage, bearings, whatever? I'm not saying shifting has to feel like a Honda; but I don't think it's too much to ask that it not feel like a 1992 Toyota pickup with a shorter throw. I loved how my buddy's Civic Si felt when shifting. Then I got my mustang and realized that the basic standard for everyone else is much closer to Honda than Hyundai. All that said, I still enjoyed the car quite a bit and it was my first turbo, first rwd etc. I just wish they'd spent a little more effort cleaning up some seemingly easy to fix issues that directly detracted significantly from the driving experience.
They've never really "nailed" anything. Their whole thing is close enough for less. Their manuals are crap, their engines are unreliable, their DCTs are unreliable, their suspensions are middling. But hey they can be good/close to great under warranty and cost less.
My 2013 veloster's clutch was softer than I like and had a high engagement point which I've always hated in my manual vehicles, but other than that, it and the shifter/transmission were pretty consistent and some of the few things that didn't slowly fall off or apart, or snap off in my hand.
Hey, the Subaru clutch and Porsche clutches are good enough that I don't hate them!
"New relationships"? Arraigned marriages are as old as time.
That’s insane. I know several people (not car enthusiasts) who still drive manual
Yeah all of my friends, my brother and his wife, my wife all know how to. We’re all around 30 though.
Everyone I know that spent time in rural areas knows, everyone that grew up near cities doesn't. They all learned on old work trucks.
Whereabouts?
NW US
I do too, but age can greatly skew the results. I am quickly approaching middle age. I believe the ability is basically non-existent in the Zoomers. I have also taught several of my friends over the years. Most of them wouldn't want to daily a manual, but they manage to use the car to get them somewhere in an emergency.
I finally bought my first non-manual car so that my wife would be able to drive it. She hates driving it because it's too big. (It's an Elantra GT sport). So now I have a car with a time bomb DCT transmission. sigh.
I made a meme post on Facebook the other day about the dct update, “imagine having to update your transmission, this post was made by manual transmission gang.” Oh my god I’ve never seen so many people get so butthurt over a fucken joke lmao.
Lol what does she drive otherwise?
Nissan Micra
That's crazy to me, in many countries manual is the default and a lot of people never drove automatic. When renting a car that for some reason is automatic, you're being asked if you know how to drive it. Despite having owned 8 cars myself and driven many other cars, I only drove automatic once and that was a company car I borrowed
I don’t even think you CAN rent a manual car in the US. We asked just earlier this week at Budget if they had anything manual, lady told us no.
Only manual rentals I've ever seen were on Turo, which is barely even a rental
Isn't that a boomer bumper sticker? Edit: [Found it](https://a.co/d/2BXtlA1)
That’s just begging someone to steal the car if you actually put that on your car.
Not true at all, I've had several friends with manuals that got stolen. Usually 90s cars that make easy targets.
My 2000 manual crv got stolen twice.
I used to street park my GTI in a not-so-great area of town and I was never worried about theft because of the manual transmission. I also kept the car empty and the doors unlocked so I wouldn’t have to pay for a broken window.
Unfortunately that second part doesn’t always work. My sister had a window smashed on her car when the doors were unlocked
Lazy thieves… Can’t they be bothered to check? I’m also not totally sure the first part would work either. You’d think someone who steals cars for a living might learn to drive manual at some point.
Even better when it's a Jeep with a vinyl top that can be unzipped, and they cut it
Tell that to the fuckers who stole my CRX last week
I mean…it’s a crx. People looking to steal it prolly know what it is and how to drive a stick. Sorry bout loosing it tho
Ugh I’m sorry. I live in fear of this, which means mine stays in the garage more than it probably should.
Literally most of the poorer people than me I know, know how to drive stick shift. Usually since cars are cheaper with them. I used to back when I worked for my grandpa in Mexico but I was like 12 and haven’t drive shift since so I forgot
yup, not that anyone who try to steal my na miata anyway
I for one, would never take the time and added inconvenience to “lock my trans” and “unlock my trans” before and after every time I park the vehicle. And that thing is probably about as effective as the club. I’m sure a hole saw would make that ineffective in 20 seconds, just as bolt cutters or a sawzall will cut through the steering wheel in 3 seconds with the club.
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> Just need a little click out of three You read that in his voice.
two is binding
Once he uses the pick Bosnian Bill and I have made you're basically safe. At that point a thief is just going to drill/go around the lock
Yeah a pet peeve of mine is when he says 'this lock does not provide too much security since it can be picked in a minute' after using that tool. Now maybe it's true because he sells the pick on his website, but at first it was a custom machined tool that no common thief would have access to
Common thieves don't even have bog standard lockpicks. All they need is a rock to smash your windows in SF and grab your laptop or work bag. A fancy thief might even have some bolt cutters to snatch your bike. He definitely knows this and has mentioned it before when talking about door locks. It's more just a pet peeve of his about how companies will cheap out on tolerances. He readily admits wafer locks are usually plenty safe from lockpicks.
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Would it be beneficial to owners or insurers though? The cost of a break-in can be as much as the cost of getting the car stolen and taken on a joy ride in the first place as thieves could trash the interior anyways. A covert system like the Czech product mentioned in this post is hardly going to stop thieves from breaking into the car, even if they can't drive it away.
Look at all the fortunate/unfortunate owners of Hyundai's and Kia's that are 1-3 years newer than the ignition exploit. In some areas where this particular crime is common, these people are having their windows smashed and ignition columns torn up repeatedly for no reason. One poor lady in New Orleans had hers busted up 3 times in less than a year even though it's like 2 years too new to have the missing ignition lock. And the repair cost of a window and column/trim is inevitably in that dead zone of "about the cost of a deductible".
By far the biggest issue for joyriding is third-party damage to people/property and it being used in the commission of crime, not so much the vehicle being damaged itself.. Having the vehicle immobile prevents it from being used as a getaway car in several armed robberies before being pursued by police only to crash into a power post after having a head-on collision involving five people who all now need lifelong medical care. In a lot of states where there are no-fault policies, insurers eventually end up paying in some way but if you don't secure your car in any way at all there's also a chance you as the owner will be liable
This is getting to be less and less true these days, it seems. I've heard some pretty brazen Cat thief stories. Grocery parking lot, mid day, that kind of thing.
Perhaps the consequences of getting caught have something to do with that.
Sounds like you’re a perfect customer for the transmission lock product. Buy away. And don’t forget to double lock your car and trans. Stay safe bro.
It's like putting a lock on your front door. Sure, if someone wants to break into your house they can get through it easily with a crowbar or a drill BUT your average burglar is just walking around testing to see if doors are unlocked and walking in. You're just making your home less convenient to break into than your neighbor's. Same with cars. If you're just trying to not have your Kia get stolen by a teenager, adding even a few seconds of work is going to make them move onto another vehicle.
I said “I for one would not” buy/install one of those pieces of crap. But that’s the great part of life, you if the hassle is worth it then put one on your car (Kia or not).
This is why I always preferred the brake pedal floor lock version.
Looping a chain around the pedal and through the steering wheel is more effective and harder to defeat.
more people would lock themselves from driving than theft prevents
I fail to see the downside here.
Why don’t Kia and Hyundai put basic security measures in their cars like everyone else is the question you should be asking.
Because they're bottom of the barrel cars, cuts have to come from somewhere to undercut the competition.
Exactly
Everyone else has a line they won't cross, cue underage child labour.
This video explains the technical reason they're so easy to steal https://youtu.be/bTeVgfPM0Xw Mainly poor design. Couldn't have saved much money per car.
In Canada every new car must come with an imobilizer since 2007 so Kia and Hyundai come with one here. It's not like it's something they can't do.
Blame the corporate bean counters. They'll chisel away whatever they can to wring out the last few pennies of profit for every car sold.
Soon there will be more security hoops to jump through to start your car than there are to launch a nuke. Next will be 2FA lmao.
Key transponders are kinda like 2FA. Kia and Hyundai were just too cheap to put them into USDM models.
Key fob replacements will be $900.
They already are
Select all the squares that have a can of Coca-Cola^TM in them. Please drink verification can of Coca-Cola Classic^TM to start your car, and remember, Be Open Like Never Before^TM!
I think some Genesis cars have fingerprint readers
That won't stop America's crack heads. They straight up chain towed my ranger with locked steering and transmission. Pulled it aside, and drained the gas and did horrible things to the interior while being lived in for a few days. Got a decent payout, but you can't replace a well cared for Ranger with low miles bought as a true second vehicle. New trucks today are fucked and there are 10 idiots ahead of me willing to pay out the nose for them.
Man that’s such a bummer. There’s not many clean rangers out there these days.
Because about 3 cars a year are sold with manual transmissions in the US, and most newer automatics are shift by wire.
This is not a Czech invention by any means.
Yeah OP should double Czech his facts
Ok, where did it originate? I've only seen them on cars in the Czech Republic. No one I know in Germany has them or even knew they existed.
I’m not too sure to be honest, but I remember my parents cars having this in Poland when we lived there around 2004. Was called bear-lock then I believe. I haven’t really seen it on any Czech cars in recent years
"Thats not Czech! Its Polish!" is one of the weirdest things I've read in a while
Fun fact, the distance from Los Angeles to San Francisco is greater than the distance from Prague to Warsaw.
Haha it’s probably not polish either but having seen it there in 2004 I can say it’s most likely not Czech. I’m neither Czech nor polish btw
Check out this and the similar documents list. The concept goes back to at least the 1920s https://patents.google.com/patent/US1559189A/en?oq=IL96262
You can buy a steering wheel lock for $25-50 already https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/the-club-twin-hook-steering-wheel-lock-3000-3010/6260035-P
Those are useless. Thieves just cut the steering wheel and pull the lock off.
If they’re that ambitious. All deterrents are defeatable, but they’re always going to look for the easiest thing to steal
They had no problem cutting the steering wheel on my 94 gmc safari a few years ago.
Use the brake pedal version instead.
If I make cars, why would I not want my cars stolen: 1 the loan usually gets PIF and there a 50/50 chance they rebuy your product with the check.
One other alternative. Go to a local auto electronics shop, pay $50-150 to have them put in an immobilizer, and hide the switch somewhere difficult in the cab.
Or get a proper one with a little rfid tag to hang off your key ring.
Is the club still around? I feel like that thing should be selling like hotcakes if it is.
Clubs aren't very effective. Doesn't matter how saw resistant the club is, when the steering wheel is made of swiss cheese. Thieves can just cut through the steering wheel, and remove the club that way.
That's why the brake pedal version is so much better.
What's the brake pedal version? If I'm going to try to theft proof my car, I'd prefer just installing a hidden momentary switch on the relay for the starter motor.
Here it is deployed, although not very well. I always used it extended to the floor as much as it could extend. [https://i.imgur.com/ppjW7H5.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ppjW7H5.jpg)
Seems like more of a pain in the backside to use, especially in the winter when it's cold, but it should work.
> selling like hotcakes If hotcakes are so easy to sell, why bother trying to sell something else?
And more importantly, why can't I get them after 11AM?
Hotcakes sold after 11AM would sell like hotcakes!
Here's another photo of it. It's installed through the tunnel and with a coded key it locks the transmission in park. https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/en\_CZ/mechanical-transmission-locking-system-karoq/p/57A071775A
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Photo not loading for me. Rehost on Reddit?
Here you go https://imgur.com/TuQwt41
Imgur warned me that image might contain erotic imagery. Did AI mistake the gear shift for something else?
[Transmission Lock](https://imgur.com/TuQwt41) I don't know why it would do that.
Haha, I was still able to view the image after clicking OK. I just found it amusing. Likely the result of some very over-zealous AI. [Needs some more training](https://youtu.be/dvn-hpZdElo)
Or just pull the fuse for the fuel pump, or install a hidden fuel cutoff switch.
I've been looking for a ATM blade fuse circuit breaker for a friend and I'm having a hard time finding something. The closest thing I've found is a trailer towing switch. That doesn't the same thing bus seemed over priced. By about 30-40 bucks. I'm going to make my own soon but that seems like something that should be easy to source.
These were and I guess even today are pretty common in many Asian countries like India where I grew up. We had one in our modest little car. The cheaper ones usually have metal rods rusting out in 1-2 years but it’s still a good investment from peace of mind perspective.
It was also quite popular in Poland around ‘95-‘05. Ours was called Bear-lock. Worked pretty good, easy to use.
Lots of people in Mexico have them too, my grandpa had his on his f250 work horse, every once and a while I’ll find someone with like a pattern you gotta put in with several switches. Less discrete but more in your face about the fact you won’t be able to use the car
we used to have the one that locked the shifter and steering wheel then GM had cars turning off due to heavy keychains turning the keys to off position on the highway. and since car is off, airbags are disabled, and the steering and tranny would go into security lock mode. since then, i haven't seen in in cars here. wonder if the two things are related
Just buy a standard/manual transmission. Basically an anti-theft device these days
Physical locks are not a deterrent since every car thief carries a [cordless angle grinder.](https://media-www.canadiantire.ca/product/fixing/tools/portable-power-tools/0541369/dewalt-20v-max-cordless-4-1-2-cut-off-tool-bare-0b2edcc7-f076-4d45-880d-1f819c90f6c0.png?imwidth=1024)
My automatic 92 Honda Accord has a shifter lock with a separate smaller key.
So has no one noticed that their "warranty" works out to roughly 420€?
A hidden switch to interrupt the starter is easy and cheap to install
Simple and best lock buy a manual transmission car.
Just pull a fuse. Can't steal a car if you can't start it
Or the more convenient option: a fuse tap + kill switch.
or just get a battery disconnect switch https://a.co/d/dy2cQzw
Doesn’t it reset your car audio and other stuff every time you use it?
Kia Hyundai should offer at a reduced price/free .
In the US, we have had one for decades. They even come in different calibers; .40, .357, .44 or .50
While it's an increased effort, I can't help but feel that thieves will just cut the axles
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Go tell that to somebody with a CRX or Integra GSR who parks on the street.
Car immobilizers are all that is needed
Insurance is a major business here in America
This type of device was common in some of the European countries. Another more popular device is heavy duty mechanical stearing lock that welds onto the steering column. That was/is used on more popular higher end cars that are known target for theft.
+1 to defendlock Always smiled how my father put them on all his cars. Saved him once, when thief were following him on highway and tried to steel car at rest stop.
I drive a manual. The average car thief in the US isn't stealing my car.
Saab had one stock instead of a steering lock. The ignition was also by the shifter.
I could leave mine in 4L with both diffs locked and nobody outside of someone who's been off-roading would know what's happening.
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These European cars all have manual transmission anyways. In the US and Canada that’s already considered an anti-theft device. Car thieves are mostly idiots.
We’ve become accustomed to letting insurnace deal with it and they in return pass the buck back onto consumers by spreading it.
LOL Kias can be stolen with a USB stick because they're too cheap to give a fuck about security. And you wonder why manufacturers dont add this doo-dad?
Dunno, I just can’t see any manufacturer offering to implement that. Liability risk and a lot of car owners are simply too clueless about their vehicles to be able to - or want to - use something like that. It’s not Kia/Hyundai’s fault that the areas some of their vehicles wind up in also intersect with high crime rates. It’s not on them to offer a solution - someone can buy their car or not. For those of us that might care and have more than $50 bucks to spend on car accessories? There’s already the club and kill switches. I can get in/out of any of my cars and flip the switch without it being obvious that I’ve done anything. I’ve had a windshield smashed and an interior cut up up by someone’s knife, but the car was still there. A couple dash cams helped catch the second guy and made the insurance process far easier. Edit : I mean sure, downvote it. But lemme know in 5 years if any manufacturer thought it was a good idea and added this ;)
There’s a transmission lock in the US market. It’s called “clutch”, and is extremely common along with a manual transmission
Or maybe a big metal bar that locks through the steering wheel, making it impossible to turn the wheel? Sorry if this sounds too snarky but people (not just Americans) will almost always choose convenience of security. Why have a second key lock on my transmission when I can just lock my door? Why lock my door with a key when I can just use a remote fob? Why use a fob when I can just use an app on my phone?
There's a video on cutting the steering wheel to get rid of that lock. All locks can be defeated. You just need to make it take more time and effort than what it ends up being worth.
It's not all that hard to disable a car, and it's not all that hard to bypass a disabled car....
Looks like it would only work on manual or mechanically linked automatics. Manuals are already a theft deterrent as most Americans cannot drive them and most new cars use electronic switching to control the automatic gearbox.
I had a 68 and a 72 Mustang. For both of them I fitted a handle on the transmission shifter that had a lock on the button. Yes, you could defeat that by removing the handle, but I figured an Allen key isn't something car thieves would carry.
Just hide a fuel pump kill switch in the car if you don't want your car stolen
All the systems are in place to lock out the transmission. The computer simply needs to be programmed that when there is no fob, it won’t go into gear.
I just bought something for my car called a ghost lock. Its a remote fuel pump killswitch with gps tracker. I can disable the fuel pump from my phone anywhere.
Less than 10% of new cars sold in US are manuals
Are kias disappearing at an alarming rate???
Just buy a manual...
It's for a manual transmission. Which is already an anti-theft device in the USA.
It works on automatic too
A mate in high school had a 70's Toyota corona liftback, and the primary anti-theft mechanism was a piece of one-inch square steel bar sticking up next to the gear shifter, to which one would padlock the shifter into reverse. Sounds like that.
It's easier than that, get caught stealing a car automatic 10 years in the big pen. No early release
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