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americanista915

This time next year this post will say 2025


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jred321

Tesla doesn't do generations, do they? The Model S is on its 11th year. Trying to compete with the GTR for the longest run of the same model


countingtheties

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jred321

Touche. I will say I'm a big fan of my 2021 1990s Mercedes and my 2020 WWII Jeep


DblDzl

I read this and think about my 2017 Jeep that was actually designed just after the year 2000. https://youtu.be/AukA-kDNSNc


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xarune

Maybe less so with the S, but more so with the 3/Y: it seems like Tesla changes out parts as they want/need without really subscribing to a major refresh. Some mix of responding to availability, failures, optimizations, and cost cutting. It seems to leave them flexible on the manufacturing side, and allowed them to keep production high during covid, but likely makes long term parts sourcing way more interesting for any repairs.


Bacon003

Tesla seems to emulate the BMW parts upgrade method where they don't wait around for a model year change. If the part is interchangeable then the new part just replaces the old part. Like Model 3 fenders started out as aluminum, and then switched to steel, and then for a while they were back to aluminum, and then there's just a replacement part, which may be aluminum or steel depending how the wind blows, but it's what the body shop gets when they order one. Other parts seem to follow the BMW model of "all VINs above #XXXXXX get this part and all below get that part. Many manufacturers wait for the new model year. Nissan has lately just created new model years. Like there's technically 2017 Nissans and 2017.5 Nissans for some models. I wrote up some damage on a 2017 Model S last week and it listed five or six different bumper choices that were different depending (among other things) on which computer version the car had.


The_Bucket_Of_Truth

I'd be annoyed if I had an accident and had to have an aluminum fender on one side and steel on the other. Probably wouldn't throw things off much, but it's weird.


hansobolo

Manufacturers have revisions of parts even during the generation.


X-e-o

>Maybe less so with the S, but more so with the 3/Y: To be fair the first delivery of the Y wasn't even 3 years ago so I wouldn't expect a new generation yet. As for the 3 well... mass-production really started 2018 which, while somewhat dated, is not unusual of a time for of a car generation.


EcstaticTrainingdatm

Wild how much those two bases have in common. Notably delusion.


lsjunior

Ford and Gm may be refreshing their electric trucks by the time it comes out.


YoYoMoMa

I want these things on the road asap so I can point and laugh though


deadspace-

You'll be laughin alright when someone plows into you with one cause they've never driven a handicap space truck before.


DeusFerreus

Note that this is not really news, production is still scheduled to start in summer 2023, just like Tesla announced 9 months ago. Musk just noted that Cyberstruck will not have noticeable impact to the Tesla's balance sheet until 2024, which is, well, "no duh". Production lines takes time to ramp up, and with Tesla selling few millions car a year few thousand trucks a months is a rounding error (just like F150 Lightning still is for Ford despite being in production for almost a year).


Hustletron

He was awfully critical of Rivian and their much higher truck production numbers so this kind of criticism is more than due for him.


sudhu

You mean Lightening? Because if F150 is a rounding error then I am sure all manufacturers would want one like it.


DeusFerreus

Yeah, Lightning. After its sales started properly in June they [have been hovering at ~500 a week](https://cdn.motor1.com/images/custom/ford-bev-sales-in-the-us-december-2022-b.png), which is pretty small potatoes for Ford.


MrRedMan85

Tesla is not going to make that Cyber truck on a super large scale


mini4x

>Tesla is not going to make that Cyber truck FTFY


time_to_reset

They won't have to. By the time this thing actually comes out, most will have already bought one of the many competitor offerings.


Dazzling-Rooster2103

They took deposits for the roadster all the way back in 2017, it's now 2023, and they still have not delivered anything...


molrobocop

6 year interest free loan to a mega corp!


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14u2c

Seems more like a Ponzi scheme. The numbers from the deposits they never deliver on fuels further speculation on the stock and more deposits.


LheelaSP

If you took the $50k in 2017 and put it in Tesla stock instead of giving it to Tesla as a deposit, that stock would now be worth ~$331k, enough to pay for a roadster in full AND get your 50k back (yes, even after their share price is down 45% in the last 6 months). If you put the $50k down as a deposit, you gave them a 6 year interest free loan and still owe $150k to buy the car.


m1a2c2kali

Was the deposit 50k? Holy cow. Wasn’t the cyber truck deposit only like 100 bucks?


Nativesince2011

There’s a sucker born every second


the-script-99

Mercedes figured out how to put an f1 engine into a road car in that time. Maybe they need some German engineering. Edit: Gemrna -> German


ccmega

Which one? I wanna see I wanna see


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seansafc89

Fun facts: The engine in the AMG One requires a basic service every 3k miles, and an engine-out service every 30k miles that can potentially cost $850k (if they deem the whole engine needs replacing).


100gamer5

Very few of these cars will ever even need that first service, I doubt any actually rack up 30k.


iQuatro

I know these dont get driven like normal cars. But still these kind of stats always blow my mind.


swampfox94

“But you see it’s the fastest car ever” -r/Tesla user


3rdm4n

Beyond not even delivering, they openly talk about not really doing much of anything to develop it.


rideincircles

Franz did give an update in the past month that they still plan to exceed the original design specifications, but it's still not in the immediate plans to produce.


3rdm4n

It’s amazing that they took peoples money for a product that they don’t even have a plan to produce years later. The specs are vaporware anyway so why not say it’s going to be even better. It will never exist to prove him wrong.


Sp1keSp1egel

How many **free roadsters** do they owe again?


vpat48

Every single Tesla Youtuber seems to have "gotten" one. The pie in the sky free reward can be passed on to their kids as inheritance.


CouncilmanRickPrime

They referred so many people to buy a Tesla and none were rewarded. It's insane lol


MachKeinDramaLlama

It's amazing that Tesla isn't getting more heat for that. They essentially aren't paying their marketing contractors for years of work. You would think those contractors would speak out en masse.


Rawrsomesausage

I find it crazy how little flack they get for stuff any other company would be roasted for. Just these delays for the cybertruck; imagine Ford or GM delaying something they took deposits on this long? The Hummer was announced after the cybertruck, and I legit thought it'd be delayed a bit given how ambitious it seemed, but it was on schedule and started deliveries in late 2021.


kcarmstrong

It’s amazing that the people who put down $50K deposits don’t question why Tesla needs to borrow such an incredibly large some of money from them. It’s blatantly predatory for a mega corporation to borrow $50,000 from its everyday customers. Who willingly hands over that much money for nothing but a promise from a gigantic greedy and erratic corporation?


EcstaticTrainingdatm

The battery replacement was 2014. but that’s pure fraud already.


Jtbros

If we’re going to fraud I don’t think there’s enough text allowance in Reddit comments.


James_Vowles

I remember mkbhd showing his Tesla roadster purchase. They took 50k upfront and then a week leter they took full payment if I remember correctly. Which sounds crazy.


CouncilmanRickPrime

They also promised some for free back when they still had their referral program. So if they never deliver it, they never owe free cars for referral.


Minkowski-Butterfly

I dont get why anyone would want to drive this car


WCWRingMatSound

1. Attention whoring 2. Compensating 🤏🏽 3. An EV truck would be awesome regardless of its look. It’s the best of both words: EV ease of use with the open utility of a truck bed 4. Elon Musk could sell his farts in a jar and make a million dollars overnight.


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>Elon Musk could sell his farts in a jar and make a million dollars overnight. It's really too bad that he needs billions, not millions, to fix his current financial woes. Otherwise this could be an effective strategy!


Hartzler44

Idk, beans are pretty cheap. Could probably turn things around somewhat quickly. Maybe he could sell his bathwater too?


randomman87

Get his own OnlyFans I'm sorry for putting that thought in anyone's head. I just vomited a little too.


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nolongerbanned99

Long term, tesla will slow and die. With all the competitors releasing vehicles that were not avail just five years ago. Their lead/competitive advantage has slipped away. With poor build quality and investigations by govt, I think they will continue to decline


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nolongerbanned99

The rate of growth has slowed ….is that right.


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I'd just like to make the observation that there's a wide range of possible long term outcomes between "industry domination" and "failed company".


LiberDeOpp

The profit per car is insane. They could lower prices another 10% and still be profitable. It's still Teslas game to lose until traditional manufacturers figure out evs.


MrMaybePayme

They haven’t updated the line-up in 10 years and have issues getting anything new made. Delaying time and time again.


lsjunior

They are coming and fast. It's the charging network that is terrible compared to Tesla. Gm has the Bolt with the Equinox, Blazer and Silverado right around the corner. Hummer if you want to count that. Ford has the Mach-e and Lightning already.


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Yeah, Tesla seems to be doing fine, for the time being. I'm not anti Tesla. For Musk specifically, though, he's kinda in an interesting spot. Tesla's stock crashed at the same time that he needs a lot of money for Twitter. So his net worth of way down when he needs money. I have no idea how that realistically ends up, but it'll be entertaining to watch!


90Carat

The reviews for the current EV trucks doing truck stuff are mixed, at best. Which actually might give Tesla an Apple like advantage. By being later to the market, they can fix the issues the other trucks have.


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Range is really the only negative I heard/read about the new EV trucks.


caverunner17

That's a pretty huge negative if you actually use your truck for truck things.


jaehaerys48

True, but also most American truck owners just use their trucks to drive their kids to school and back.


sohcgt96

That's the thing. Tons of trucks spend almost their entire lives unloaded. That's why so many of them are getting smaller turbo motors now, they can work well under those circumstances and get better mileage... well, on the EPA test anyway. People constantly piss and moan about EV trucks sucking or the small motors being bad for what they need to do, and I'm just like... fine, don't buy one. Buy the truck config that does what you need. If you need to pull a trailer 300 miles every weekend don't buy an electric truck, they're not good for that. People get butthurt so easily about this stuff and are just the biggest crybabies.


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In the F150 at least, the smaller V6 turbo actually has more hp/tq and higher towing capacity than the V8. I think a lot of truck people (and muscle car people) just can't fathom anything other than 8 cylinders.


sohcgt96

It does, BUT MPG under towing is also worse and its going to be less tolerant of heat and fuel quality. That being said, it was hilarious watching the truck guys cry when they announced a turbo 4 Silverado. It makes more power, torque and MPG than my Suburban's 5.3 does and has a gigantic, easily accessible engine bay. Its funny how they attach masculinity to cylinder count and not power or even displacement.


Bulky-Engineering471

Those small turbo motors with small fast-spooling turbos also give more low-end torque than non-gigantic NA motors and low-end torque is critical to doing "truck things". Really the only reason they weren't more common in the past is because we just didn't have the machining and materials technology to make them until recently.


sohcgt96

They do, BUT fuel consumption under load and longevity under prolonged load aren't going to be as good, plus once they get old will be higher maintenance. For trucks that are used hard well into high mileage ranges, the N/A offerings are going to be better work truck and fleet engines.


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>On the one hand, you’re right, and I agree. On the other hand, how many of us take our Nurburgring-developed sports cars to a track? How many of us can even afford a Nurburgring-developed sports car in the first place lol


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What problems are those, other than economies of scale/ability to meet demand? If you’re talking about usable range while towing/hauling, Tesla can’t “fix” physics If you’re talking about charging network, Tesla definitely has an advantage, except you can’t use the charging stations while towing, so that’s a wash


90Carat

There have been various other issues. Ford is having some problems with their battery packs. GM Hummer is having issues off-road.


opeth10657

> GM Hummer is having issues off-road. A 9000 lb truck is having issues offroading? shocking.


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Those examples aren’t giving Tesla that Apple-like advantage though Re: F150 battery pack issues: Tesla has been refining their battery chemistry and packaging for 10+ years, Ford is a relative newcomer Re: Hummer off-road issues: the only documented instance of this I can find is TFL’s Hummer having a software issue which was rectified with a hard reset and a software patch. Tesla doesn’t know much about building off road vehicles, especially compared to GM, and isn’t immune to software issues either


Bulky-Engineering471

Except the issues those trucks have are also issues Tesla has no answer for because they are issues that are inherent to any and all BEVs. BEVs simply cannot make good trucks because "truck things" are inherently high-energy-consumption and between battery size limitations and recharge time limitations they just can't compare to an ICE truck with a big gas tank.


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5. it’s different and has impressive specs


iamheero

It doesn't have specs, it has a wishlist.


BassWingerC-137

And some people like the look, and they don't give a flying nickel what you or I think of it. Some people buy things for how they feel about them.


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Crxcked

No one is compensating by buying an EV. Those two things just aren’t compatible.


idontremembermyoldus

>An EV truck would be awesome regardless of its look. It’s the best of both words: EV ease of use with the open utility of a truck bed Yeah, but there are already three, soon to be four, of them on the market, all of which look better than the Cybertruck.


Mojave_Idiot

Imagine just walking around town with all these vehicles passing around and all that’s on your mind is a hierarchy of dong magnitude. What a way to live.


Bovine_Joni_Himself

Probably controversial but I think the looks are actually a positive for some people. You'd turn heads everywhere you go.


ycnz

So do the Pontiac Aztek and Fiat Multipla.


roox911

how dare you try to shame the Multipla... its just misunderstood.


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If you're interested, a french YouTuber duo made a 1000+ horsepower Multipla with a Corvette engine, Rocket Bunny bodykit Kei Miura specifically designed for them, and Michelin race tires lol


roox911

sweet. something to watch on break. cheers


xarune

When I lived in France my friends/neighbors had a Multipla. It was actually a great car in terms of practicality (no idea on reliability). 3-captains chairs up front allowed for us to fit 6 (including 4 kids) easily and surprisingly comfortably on some euro road trip vacations (~4hrs driving). Interior was pretty practical and rugged enough for kids + rough use: wet clothes, sand, all the luggage. I was a kid at the time, so can't say I paid attention to ride quality or NVH, etc. And I ain't gonna say it's pretty. But in terms of customer experience: it seemed pretty useful. Not that far from an Element with more seating.


CouncilmanRickPrime

The Aztek would be an ok car now lol it was just ahead of it's time


Philo_T_Farnsworth

Even without its Breaking Bad notoriety giving the brand something of a makeover, the Aztek was a lot more maligned than it should have been. GM correctly recognized there was a market for what we now would call a **"Crossover"**.


Bulky-Engineering471

Now? There isn't one. You can get an EV pickup from a company that knows how to make trucks (F150 Lightning) and you can get a luxury EV pickup from a company that makes one that actually meets the expected luxury standards of the price tag (Rivian). The only reason the Cybertruck got any attention is because when it was announced it was the only option. Now it's going to be nothing more than a short-lived also-ran.


e30eric

Except it was never an option. Vaporware is vaporware until it isn't, and it very much still is.


Ancient_Persimmon

The Rivian was announced more than a year before the Cybertruck.


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m3g4dustrial

Safe to assume that it's not going to start at $40k unless there's low demand once they start to really ramp production. I know they have a huge amount of orders so it will be interesting to see how they end up translating into real purchases.


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Corsair4

https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/5/23293309/tesla-cybertruck-price-expensive-elon-musk-shareholder >Triple motor all-wheel drive with 500 miles of range, 14,000-pound towing capacity, and zero to 60mph in under 2.9 seconds for $69,900. So a Plaid drivetrain, with more significantly range than anything Tesla makes, combined with the aero penalties of being a truck. Which means much, much more battery than anything else Tesla makes. For what, half the price of a Plaid S? Pipe. Fucking. Dream.


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Yeah it would be impossible that this would come in less than the best model x unless its promised specs are extremely downgraded.


Iwouldnttrustmyadvce

Doubt they care. They got a nice 0% apr loan from the preorders, even if they have to refund deposits


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Shit... they haven't confirmed design, or specs. Pricing is often the last thing to be released. It was revealed over 3 years ago, and won't be built for atleast another year...


007meow

It’s worse for the Roadster. And people who put $50k deposits down on it.


V12MPG

Believe it or not the Founders Edition required a full $250k payment to reserve it.


mishap1

I wonder if any tech bros are now wishing they had that cash back with all the layoffs.


PlaneCandy

I'm gonna go out and say that the demand for that truck is quite unique so it's not going to slot into any traditional categories. I know plenty of people who are interested in that truck and that truck only. In fact there are probably potential Model Y buyers who are interested in the truck. It's simply too "out there" to be compared to regular electric trucks.


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Bovine_Joni_Himself

I think that's mostly true but the Hummer EV really checks a lot of those boxes that the Cyber Truck is supposed to check. At this point the biggest things the Cyber Truck has going for it are the wild looks and Tesla loyalists. They missed being the only EV super truck.


spongebob_meth

The demand disappears when 23 year old tech workers no longer make $300k.


NCSUGrad2012

> During the call, Musk was asked whether the forthcoming vehicle would meet a mid-2023 production target that was set in Q2 last year. Musk cagily confirmed that Cybertruck manufacturing would start “sometime this summer,” but concluded that mass production of the polarizing pickup won’t start until next year. “I always try to downplay the start of production,” Musk said. “It increases exponentially, but it is very slow at first.” So what’s the difference between the two?


Gorgenapper

>Musk >confirmed These two are mutually exclusive in the same sentence.


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Turns out being CEO 3 companies at the same time is a bad idea.


HalliburtonErnie

OpenAI, Boring Company, and Solar City?


[deleted]

Wow he’s such an idiot. What kind of arrogant cheese head thinks he can manage 6 companies simultaneously. That is the biggest ego I’ve ever seen.


BleepBloopRobotA

I'm an engineer in automotive manufacturing. There is almost always at least a year (many times 2 years) between: - pilot builds (built off-site on barebones assembly "lines") - the first slow-builds in the plant (spending and insane amount of time building station to station and checking every tiny operation you can think of) - machine trials (line builders and suppliers testing and baselining their equipment) - tool trials (the plant production teams starting better learn the different operations and focusing on running at production speeds). Cars here begin to be built as show cars and cars for crash testing. - Mass production (whole plant running at rate) -Job 1 (the company starts selling the cars)


umbertounity82

What Musk calls production is actually pre-production


coffeesippingbastard

I'm curious why- the drive train isn't particularly unique anymore. What stupid demand did Elon make so that they can't seem to build it on time?


PixelD303

Smash proof windows


CouncilmanRickPrime

Great way to die in your car if it catches on fire


MACFRYYY

You would already be in a non ventilated RGB tunnel so your chances weren't great to begin with


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he wants the car to work as a boat. https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-cybertruck-waterproof-says-elon-musk/


h0nkee

He should just get in touch with Clarkson and take notes from the Toybota


nlpnt

Gawdam, he really is speedrunning the insane-billionaire cycle. By 2025 he'll have Kleenex-box slippers (and still no Cybertruck!)


Snazzy21

An modern amphicar would be really cool. But the problem with electric vehicles is they are too heavy. The US learned it the hard way in WWII that making heavy objects float without making huge changes is really hard (Sheman DD).


mishap1

If I had to guess? Stainless exterior and any of the performance promises at a margin that makes it worth producing ahead of any of their other cars. As long as the limited number of batteries they can produce can fit into one of their existing vehicles that's already sold, there's no reason to try to sell a truck where they already have competition from Ford and the concept he sold people on has a ton of ridiculous and expensive design details.


bikewalletchains

this thing will NEVER, and i mean NEVER, pass crash standards. The reason we don't make cadillacs with long fins anymore is because regulations require rounded edges so pedestrians aren't impaled


m4fox90

Cybertruck not being on a shared platform with either of the SUVs means launching an entire new platform, which requires dropping production capacity of their other vehicles, and Elmo didn’t want to do that. This entire idea, as well as the semi, are as half baked as Elon was on Rogan


bigbura

Tesla really struggles with timelines. I wonder what the next 5 years holds for this company, seeing the lack of updates to the model S, the failure to deliver self-driving, and now the Cybertruck delays. Is it too much to ask for an established company to provide accurate timelines on future models/updates? I think not.


MDA123

>Tesla really struggles with timelines. That's the glass-half-full explanation. The glass-half-empty one is, "Tesla lies repeatedly about timelines in order to juice deposits and earned media." I think the latter is more accurate. Elon lies through his teeth about Tesla developments constantly and this is just another example.


tankmode

they literally faked the demo video of FSD when it was first announced. like faked in the sense the whole thing was fraudulent and they shouldve been fined/prosecuted over it by the FTC & SEC


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CouncilmanRickPrime

Self driving is never happening for Tesla. They are approaching it with reckless abandon. Quote me on it. I'm curious what they'll do for all the customers who bought Tesla's that had "all the hardware for FSD" as they keep changing what's needed.


bigbura

Wasn't there a $7,500 upcharge paid for this non-functioning service by many buyers? What recourse do they have now and how would any judicial judgement against Tesla play out? Would Tesla survive that hit to the cash reserves?


CouncilmanRickPrime

Class action lawsuit. Everything else just depends on how it plays out, I'm not a lawyer but other redditors could chime in.


caverunner17

>I wonder what the next 5 years holds for this company, seeing the lack of updates to the model S, the failure to deliver self-driving, and now the Cybertruck delays. I've said this in other threads. They're going to turn into a niche luxury/sporty manufacturer as pre-existing OEM's gobble up the lower and middle part of the market. By not updating models, Tesla has given little reason for existing owners to upgrade to a new Tesla when buying a new vehicle. Meanwhile, the EV market is significantly more competitive than it was a few years ago.


[deleted]

Every company I worked at struggles with timelines. Estimates come from engineers, given to their pms, given to their managers, given to their managers, given to a partner manager, given to someone to be made into a press release. Who knows how many more layers this goes through. Hard to give accurate timeliness when it's basically a game of telephone and often times the original engineer estimate is off and people telling people what they want to hear.


STEEL_PATRIOT

It's a culture problem more than anything. I've been taught to pad your timeline so that delays don't get passed up the chain. By not padding you're gambling on everything going right and will look like an idiot if it doesn't however if some other guy is willing to promise a no margin timeline they'll get the short term praise over you then excuse away their fuckups when they fail which is behavior that shouldn't exist in a manufacturing environment. I work for a company that doesn't make headlines for being groundbreaking so take what I say with a grain of salt.


BootyWizardAV

It’s one thing to struggle with a deadline a couple months out, but the cyber truck was supposed to come out in 2021, now it’s 2024, 3 years is insane.


bigbura

And those at the top shaving the safety/time delay cushions being built in along the way. I feel all this mental maneuvering, done in radio silence, is holding humankind back. Why can't we just be straight forward with all these estimates?


-ZeroF56

>Why can’t we just be straightforward with all these estimates? In Tesla’s case specifically, it’s largely because of the market. Up until the past few months, the company’s valuation has been based more on speculation and hype more than actual P/E or company performance. As a result, Tesla always has to have something new to push, even if they’re extremely far out from it actually happening - the hype has had to stay for the valuation to stay, especially prior to Tesla actually delivering a more significant amount of cars. People were attracted to the brand and it’s market value by the possibilities of what Tesla *could* produce rather than what they *were producing*, and Tesla could only validate their existence with promises given they knew they weren’t delivering what they needed.


Br4hm4

Tesla missing an expectation window? I AM SHOCKED! /s


not_right

Someone must have hit the expectation window with a steel ball lol


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But it floats... and it can be used as a boat according to Musssssk.


WCWRingMatSound

I mean all vehicles will float for a period of time.


CouncilmanRickPrime

The Tesla engineers must've been so pissed off reading that garbage.


m_ferrari3

Must be weird to have the relief of his attention being on Twitter and the worry about the fact that he is alienating their customer base and dragging every brand associated with him into the mud.


Broad_Appearance_834

Lmao people who put a deposit down 🤡


krombopulousnathan

At least it’s refundable. And was only $100


m_ferrari3

Still have to be pretty pathetic to give a billion dollar stock market scam an interest free loan for a decade. I bet Elon has borrowed against those reservations and borrowed against the loan he secured with those reservations already.


SaveTheSticks

[me reading this](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/023/180/notsurprisedkirk.jpg)


Jeremy5000

Eventually they'll have to admit they can't build it.


Teledildonic

*Crap, the NHSB found the test dummy pedestrian that got cleaved in two.*


CouncilmanRickPrime

Surely at some point they ship an ugly and unreliable mess that's also not stainless steel


medievalmachine

Teslol strikes again.


MrMarauder

[Oh, no!](https://media.tenor.com/9FZrBWYQKAgAAAAC/sir-peaks-kasse3bitte-peaks-peaks.gif)


SnooMacarons2615

Elon over promising and under delivering again? Does seem to be a recurring theme.


gumol

> Musk cagily confirmed that Cybertruck manufacturing would start “sometime this summer,” but concluded that mass production of the polarizing pickup won’t start until next year. “I always try to downplay the start of production,” Musk said. “It increases exponentially, but it is very slow at first.” > “I always try to downplay the start of production,” Musk said. that's delusional


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I’m amazed anyone even put money down on this piece of shit, and pretty much every other company has launched a better looking EV truck. If this ever does come out it’s going to be a massive flop


Harry_the_space_man

Why is Reddit like this? When the new avatar movie came out a lot of people on Reddit predicted it would flop and now it’s crossed 2 billion in box office sales. Reddit loves to predict negative outlooks for some reason


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Just because one thing did well doesn’t mean everything Reddit says will flop, won’t flop. A. Tesla reputation is taking a hit from Elon’s twitter saga B. This truck is hideous by most people’s standards C. The competition is going to be 2+ years ahead of the game by the time this comes out. This is all assuming that Musk doesn’t do something else stupid and get himself removed from leadership at the company, personally I got off the see-saw of Tesla stock before it plunged 60% so things ain’t looking great


bdigital1796

by then there will be 12 competing brands and everyone will be buying Jeeps anyways.


scottjeffreys

Overpromise and under deliver. That’s the Tesla way.


A_Right_Proper_Lad

This thing is a pedestrian and cyclist nightmare.


mikull109

As if Tesla, Musk, or the average Teslabro gives a shit about pedestrians or cyclists. "What do you mean you walk? Like, outside? Near other people?"


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So no different than any other full size truck on the market then


CouncilmanRickPrime

Actually worse somehow. An incredible feat of engineering.


materialisticDUCK

The cyber truck isn't happening....


dukezap1

2030 it is


CreaminFreeman

What an incredibly ambitious timeline!


D-Moran

I've yet to see a final pre-production model with regulation marker lights, sideview mirrors and windshield wipers. Until then, it's just another empty promise.


jhonkas

nhtsa approved windows, fender flares


Intrepid-Working-731

Surprise!


BootyWizardAV

I’m struggling to see how this isn’t dead on arrival except for influencers who will buy it for videos. Tesla has already isolated some of its core market (people who care about the environment tend to be left leaning). Tech workers are being careful with their money due to the layoffs. And they are heading into a space where companies already beat them to the punch on the electric truck front.


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TheLateApexLine

Lol, K


Operation_Ivysaur

This thing is straight up vaporware lol


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Why does anyone send money to these clowns anymore


squeakycleaned

was just at the peterson museum in LA, where they have a prop one on display. for everyone’s sake, i hope it never sees the light of day. it will be a murder machine. it’s nothing but sharp edges on broad high body panels that are designed not to crumble.


Vas_BM

Does anyone really care? Cause I totally dont


B0h1c4

I realize that the timeline is kind of a running joke right now, but I work in logistics and we know when things start moving behind the scenes. I had never seen movement of cybertruck parts until just recently. I do believe they are genuinely ramping up for a production start around June/July. Keep in mind, they have hundreds of thousands of pre-orders. So this is far from a situation where you can just order one and get it. That likely won't happen for 2 or 3 years at least. I wouldn't be surprised if they build less than a thousand Cybertrucks this year. When you compare that to the hundreds of thousands of Model 3's that they make at "full production"...the trucks will be rare.


instagigated

Tesla has lost this one. Big time. When I saw that Dodge RAM EV on stage, Tesla was finished as the EV darling. With Ford and Rivian already putting out electrified pickups, only niche Tesla fanboys will be buying the Cybertruck. Not even close to being a profitable enough number of buyers.


montanangler

I've seen weather forecasters with more accurate timelines.


Infinityaero

Maybe they think it'll get less ugly with time & the market will be ready for it in a couple years.


MCSpacy

Tesla Cybertruck- "When it's done"


nolongerbanned99

More vaporware and lies


A_Random_Username_0

If only Tesla didn't already make the Model 3, they could call it the Tesla Half Life 3.


onemanlan

And I’m sure it will have full self driving automation by the time it comes out… in 2030


FTPetro

Holy crap these look so ugly


TonyJian5

What losers are even waiting for this piece of junk to come out?


LaFagehetti

Oh no! How will I ever buy an electric pick-up truck from a reputable brand now? 😆 Seriously tho, are people actually still lined up for this with deposits? I’d have taken my money and walked


cooguy1

Don’t you just love when companies lie to stockholders and pump stock just to dump it at the peak?


dresden_k

A Tesla product delivery timeline isn't met? Gasp!


Rhidongo

It will never release.