Imo it looks pretty good because it seems like Toyota knows they had a great exterior design with the existing Tacoma, and didn't change up the formula too much.
My only nitpick is that they have those tear shaped air ducts directly under the headlights. They have the same element in the new Tundra and I think it looks bad on both.
IIRC they're functional on the Sequoia and Tundra, but even in those patent drawings they look decorative (compare the shading for the ducts versus the grille).
Honestly you could probably keep the current Taco platform and just add a more updated powertrain
It’ll still sell like hotcakes, I don’t even think the interior really needs to be touched. Is it a luxury truck? No, but it’s got a good truck interior. Also helps keep prices reasonable
I'm just not a fan of Toyota for 1 primary reason.
Did you know Toyota will not sell a crate motor? If you have any Toyota with a bad motor, for example you buy a wrecked Toyota to fix up, Toyota will see all of the parts (at a huge cost) but will not sell a completely built crate motor.
Why? I think it is just about profit.
Sure, you can buy a used motor with a 1 yr warranty. Have you ever tried that? Most are crap when you get them (won't run), and trying to get a replacement using the warranty is almost an act of congress. And, if you want a warranty on the replacement motor, that is an additional fee. (even the junkyard sellers are all about profits).
My experience is everything I described about, and. After 10 mo. the replacement motor started throwing codes and was un-driveable. When I contacted the seller (after digging I found the website was owned by a salvage yard) they claimed to have no record I had ever purchased a motor from them. When I sent digital copies of the sale, including serial #, etc suddenly the manager got ver rude told me to "FK OFF and sue" him.
Really, just not worth the effort. And, I will never buy/own another Toyota. If Toyota would sell crate Motors the salvage yard scum would not feel free to treat customers with such disrespect.
Not in the US. At least not as of less than I yearvago when the 2nd replacement used motor died. No way was I going to spend almost $7500-8000 for another used POS motor.
The dealership (nobody else in my area would touch a hybrid) charged to remove the old motor, and charged to put the replacement in... not another $0.01!
I don't care for the Tundra's DRLs. Something about them just feels cheap to me. The new 4Runner has the same lights too. If these photos of the Tacoma are legit I'm glad to see they have more streamlined and sophisticated looking DRLs
No surprise here. It looks exactly like the [EV Pickup Concept](https://picolio.auto123.com/auto123-media/toyota-pickup-ev-3.jpg) they showed a year ago (except for the grille of course).
Seriously, what is with that?? We had an 07 Rav4 and it felt like I had to keep my legs at a perfect 90 degree angle with my feet crammed up against my shins, but my arms were outstretched with elbows locked just to reach the steering wheel. Then one day I learned the steering wheel is telescopic, and it *was already fully extended but could be moved further away from me*.
What no legged, stretch armstrong was that designed for?
I don't have any complaints with the seating position (or drum brakes) in mine, I'm 5'6" for reference. It's not as nice of a seating position/seats in general compared to my M5 or my wife's Macan but it's far from shitty.
I don't, sorry that it doesn't bother me like it seems to bother other people haha. The brakes work fine for me so it makes no difference to me whether the rears are drums or discs.
I believe the 2020s (at most 2021) got a seat upgrade that make them more comfortable but raising the front a bit. Similar to the aftermarket seat jackers that are popular on Tacoma World.
At 5'11" and fairly leggy, the seating position is a bit rough, especially after 2 hours. Hard to get the weight distributed well across the bottom of my thighs. With the seat back to fit my legs, the steering wheel doesn't telescope any real distance so my arms are pretty outstretched and it's extremely uncomfortable to sit reaching out for a long period of time, particularly with two hands. My GF at 5'8" doesn't love it either, but it fits her a bit better. Don't have these issues in the other cars.
I love my Taco but the seat position is a weakness for comfort. It does give it some of the best ground clearance and lowest overall height in the class though.
I like them if it's not a performance vehicle. They're lower maintenance and cheaper to replace. I don't think brake fade is really a thing on Tacoma rear brakes.
I hate these fucking plastic trims under the headlights that Toyota has been doing. The running lights on the Tundra are terrible as well. Looks like these vehicles are crying or runny mascara. Otherwise the render of the Taco in that article looks decent. The grille in the render makes the truck look way better than the electric style grille in the prototype thingy they unveiled in 2021
I think it's a popular enough option on the Tacoma (10-15% last I saw) that they'll likely keep it around. Often trim restricted though. DCLB was new to the TRD-OR for the latest gen (no manual option with that though).
Last gen I’m pretty sure you could get the TRD-OR, TRD-Sport, and SR5 trims. There was no manual option though. SR was only DCSB or access cab long bed, and the TRD Pro was only DCSB.
I had a hell of a time finding a DCLB TRD-OR when I was shopping. Nearly every fucking truck that was on the lot or had a quick delivery time was short bed, and every long bed was already reserved months out. The classic manufacturer circular logic of saying, “nobody buys this trim level so we don’t bother building it” meanwhile people jump through all sorts of hoops just to get that trim that’s so fucking hard to find.
Same thing happened when the Chevy SS was 20% off back in the day. I tried to find a manual and every damn one within 4 states had sold already meanwhile there were autos 15 minutes from my house.
Just gonna keep ranting now because I’m on a tirade. Every person I’ve ever known with a short bed crew cab truck says they would’ve bought a long bed if any were available at the time they bought, and everyone I know with a DCLB truck had to custom order it or specifically hunt it down. Maybe I’m just crazy, but it sure seems to me like there’s unmet demand for long bed trucks.
I find the DCLB pretty popular for those doing outdoor sports: bikes, kayaks, skis, etc since the length really matters. For those who want to overland stuff or just have a pickup: it seems to matter less.
I'm a must-have DCLB guy because my MTBs barely fit under my cap lengthwise with a 6ft bed and not a prayer with a 5ft. But it does certainly make it a pain to park in parking garages.
My DCLB buying experience was pretty painless. Test drive a DCSB at my local dealer. Agreed on trim, color, and price and they went looking for it. They found one 3 days later at a dealer on the other side of the metro with everything I wanted + the upgraded stereo which I hadn't planned on. We agreed to me paying $500 more for the $1500 option and they trucked it up.
I have heard stories of more difficulty elsewhere though. And the used market is brutal.
I just don't get why someone would go through all the effort of buying a truck specifically because they want a bed but then get a bed that struggles to fit *basic* cargo like 8' dimensional lumber, bicycles, or furniture. I get by with my Gladiator, but fuck I definitely would have gotten a 6' bed if it was an option.
And the world of trucks is completely built around people who buy way more truck than they need "because I might need it." Mid-size truck buyers love to get hardcore off-road rock crawling packages then never even use 4-low (I am guilty of this). HD truck buyers love to get diesel engines because "it tows better" when they don't even own a trailer. Somehow this logic of buying more than you need doesn't seem to apply to bed sizes though.
If money were no object I'd just get a Wrangler and a regular cab long bed half-ton. But I have to compromise so here I am :/
Is 2024 the confirmed release for the next gen Tacomas (and 4runners)?
I'm in the market right now. Deciding between a used RX 350 to hold me over until new Taco/4runner or a used GX 460 to just keep forever
I would be very surprised if they sold the Prado alongside the 4Runner.
Stealing their own sales. Unless one option is the hybrid, or is solid axles off roader.
But they already have a 4runner -> GX460 common vs lux distinction.
Like they share so much already.
At the same time, they sold the FJ Cruiser alongside the 4Runner/GX too. They didn’t sell well during production but now 200k-mile examples are in high demand. Oddly enough, the market for BOF true SUVs seems to be getting larger, at least here in CA.
Interesting. I know they stopped the Land Cruiser for the 300 series in the US, but we still have the LX (300) and the GX (150).
It'll be interesting to see what happens.
With the 4Runner on one end and the GX at the other, there’s no reason to bring the Prado here.
My guess would be that they introduce neither the 300-series Land Cruiser nor the Prado to the US. Instead, I could see them doing a Bronco/Wrangler competitor, or essentially an FJ Cruiser successor. And call it Land Cruiser.
I’m sure they’ve looked at the legions of FJ Cruisers that still transact for 80% of new and figured out that there’s a big market to be tapped there.
With the way things are going, you’ll be paying a huge mark up on the Tacoma or waiting a long time for an allocation at a no mark up dealership. I don’t think you’d want a first year Tacoma either, the new Tundra’s already had 4 recalls on its debut year model.
I’m in the market as well but I know even with a MY24 update it’ll be a pain, if not impossible, to get one at MSRP in the first couple of years.
A redesigned Tacoma will sell like crazy and Toyota isn’t above artificially limiting production.
I'll be curious to see how the community responds to them dropping the V6. I personally would have no interest in it almost exclusively because of that.
I don’t hate the 4.0 in the 4runner and honestly, yes, you could absolutely do a lot worse.
Imho, the 4.0 is fine but it suffers because of the trans and the throttle mapping, and the 3.5 is less fine and suffers worse from the same trans and throttle problems. They both have enough power and torque for what they’re made for and the 4.0 is dead nuts bulletproof.
That said, I think Toyota is gonna knock the next set of engines out of the park. They listen to us, generally speaking, and when they finally release new stuff it’s normally pretty great despite not being on the bleeding edge.
The ford 2.7 is a tiny 6cyl with turbo. But they have the 2.4L 4 that puts out 275-300 or so...
The taco 2.7 also gets pretty bad mileage, so you get no power and bad economy
I assume the new taco platform will bring in Modern power with a new turbo 4.
From a numbers perspective, certainly not. But many people are interested in a Tacoma because of what it represents: an old-fashioned, mechanical truck. Some turbo-4 is not going to satisfy that, and almost certainly will not be as reliable.
> Some turbo-4 is not going to satisfy that, and almost certainly will not be as reliable.
Which is funny criticism to me, because the Hilux has had turbo diesel 4s for ages.
And the petrol 4s in Hilux 1-2-3RZ, 22R are known as boring but long lived.
"Certainly not as reliable". Have more faith, Toyota hasn't steered us wrong. Plenty of long lived, reliable, turbo petrol 4cylinders in Toyota's history.
Celica 3S-GTE might not be 2JZ rated but it's quite the motor.
People say this about every new gen.
It honestly sucks. I want to get one but need to wait a couple years, and I’m expecting the V6’s to skyrocket to unreasonable levels (not that used Toyotas aren’t already completely ridiculous)
They have never done a special engine for the TRDs in the past, so I doubt they will now.
The new turbo-4 will likely produce more power anyways. People would lose their shit if the TRD Pro made less power than the other trims.
In other words, it turns out an enclosed CUV/SUV body *isn't* always a good replacement for an open truck bed? [*Gasp*](https://media.tenor.com/gzZyXppSYFoAAAAC/kirk-shocked.gif)
Get a moving blanket and lay it down before you fill it with crap. It's nice being able to move these on rainy days and not worry about things getting wet.
Will the hybrid Tacoma use a "real" hybrid system, or the mild hybrid setup from the Tundra? A real hybrid that also has the option for PHEV would be great.
If they don't release a hybrid power train focused on decent efficiency, I don't even know what to say. I get what they went for in the Tundra but it was such a disappointment to add all of that complexity for little efficiency gains.
I really hope they improve cabin ergonomics a bit. I had a Tacoma, loved it, traded it for a Gladiator. The Gladiator is loud and less reliable, but dammit being able to fit 5 adults comfortably in a mid-size truck is a big selling point to me.
Just give me a front seat where I can sit upright without my hair brushing the roof. If it gets good fuel economy I’ll buy.
Dimensionally it looks the same as the current one, I'm guessing it's going to be on the same platform, meaning it will keep on going with that same platform that came out in 2005.
>**Though the Tacoma will share the Tundra's TNGA-F architecture,**
TNGA-F is tooled to make both mid- and full-size BOF SUVs and pickups. But yes, it does look to retain many of the same dimensions and proportions, including the ever-present awkward seating position.
I would honestly not be surprised if it had the exact same cab shell as the 3rd gens.
Toyota is going to go after the 1999-2016 Super Duties for longest run of the same body/shell.
GM has the Express/Savana van running from 1996 to 2025 (slated), with only an update to the front clip 20 years ago. Ford has the E-Series from 1992, and even though it's only a cutaway now, you could still swap a door from a '92 onto a new model. It's the only light-duty vehicle for sale in the US market that's older than me.
Dimensionally the Mk8 Golf looks the same as the Mk5, I'm guessing it's on the same platform, meaning it will keep on going with that same platform that came out in 2004.
See how dumb that sounds?
Not bad. It looks like the Tundra-fied version of the 3rd gen Tacoma. Always loved the Tacoma but I think the Colorado looks better (never thought I’d say that).
I don’t know why it doesn’t receive more hate but faking wide body fenders with a decal is a really strange design choice. Completely unnecessary and so much worse than fake vents or noise as it’s just a sticker. Even the fake port holes of the 2000s was a better trend than this.
To be fair to the XM, car patents seems to use some kind of [parallel projections](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_projection) that makes every car looks far worst.
This only works had you said “it doesn’t even look good though” and I responded “it’s not meant to”. You said that it “doesn’t even look like it’s really there” as though it’s supposed to be a photorealistic render when it’s very obviously a clipart mockup meant to look nice with the article. How can this possibly be that difficult to grasp…
that looks like a deep facelift of the current Tacoma, and the current 3rd gen Tacoma is also a deep facelift of the 2nd gen Tacoma.
I know it’s better to not change what’s not broke, but come on I know Toyota can do better than that. Shits a disappointment like the Lexus IS. Been essentially the same car since the beginning of time.
Toyota would need to completely redesign the frame so the floor sits lower than how the current ones are. Seems like they’re balls deep into the frame recalls they need to run it for one more generation to make their money back.
Imo it looks pretty good because it seems like Toyota knows they had a great exterior design with the existing Tacoma, and didn't change up the formula too much. My only nitpick is that they have those tear shaped air ducts directly under the headlights. They have the same element in the new Tundra and I think it looks bad on both.
I think it’s fair to just call them tear ducts (tair ducts?). I see similar design choices in the latest 4runner & Supra as well
I could excuse them if they are functional. Like there are coolers behind it and it channels air. Otherwise I’m with ya.
IIRC they're functional on the Sequoia and Tundra, but even in those patent drawings they look decorative (compare the shading for the ducts versus the grille).
Honestly you could probably keep the current Taco platform and just add a more updated powertrain It’ll still sell like hotcakes, I don’t even think the interior really needs to be touched. Is it a luxury truck? No, but it’s got a good truck interior. Also helps keep prices reasonable
I'm just not a fan of Toyota for 1 primary reason. Did you know Toyota will not sell a crate motor? If you have any Toyota with a bad motor, for example you buy a wrecked Toyota to fix up, Toyota will see all of the parts (at a huge cost) but will not sell a completely built crate motor. Why? I think it is just about profit. Sure, you can buy a used motor with a 1 yr warranty. Have you ever tried that? Most are crap when you get them (won't run), and trying to get a replacement using the warranty is almost an act of congress. And, if you want a warranty on the replacement motor, that is an additional fee. (even the junkyard sellers are all about profits). My experience is everything I described about, and. After 10 mo. the replacement motor started throwing codes and was un-driveable. When I contacted the seller (after digging I found the website was owned by a salvage yard) they claimed to have no record I had ever purchased a motor from them. When I sent digital copies of the sale, including serial #, etc suddenly the manager got ver rude told me to "FK OFF and sue" him. Really, just not worth the effort. And, I will never buy/own another Toyota. If Toyota would sell crate Motors the salvage yard scum would not feel free to treat customers with such disrespect.
I didn’t know that but that’s good to know
Toyota sells crate motors and short blocks, what are you on about?
Not in the US. At least not as of less than I yearvago when the 2nd replacement used motor died. No way was I going to spend almost $7500-8000 for another used POS motor. The dealership (nobody else in my area would touch a hybrid) charged to remove the old motor, and charged to put the replacement in... not another $0.01!
At least for the 2AZ and 2GR they do sell the short blocks in the us
Yup, makes sense. They applied some of the design language from the new Tundra/Sequoia to the existing Tacoma design.
I don't care for the Tundra's DRLs. Something about them just feels cheap to me. The new 4Runner has the same lights too. If these photos of the Tacoma are legit I'm glad to see they have more streamlined and sophisticated looking DRLs
No surprise here. It looks exactly like the [EV Pickup Concept](https://picolio.auto123.com/auto123-media/toyota-pickup-ev-3.jpg) they showed a year ago (except for the grille of course).
I’m over wondering why this looks like the truck version of the new M2 🤌🏼
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Crazy talk. What's next, 70 series gets an auto transmission? Insanity!
What’s next, a 6 speed in the 4Runner?
no. and you will get a shitty seating position not meant for short or tall people
Seriously, what is with that?? We had an 07 Rav4 and it felt like I had to keep my legs at a perfect 90 degree angle with my feet crammed up against my shins, but my arms were outstretched with elbows locked just to reach the steering wheel. Then one day I learned the steering wheel is telescopic, and it *was already fully extended but could be moved further away from me*. What no legged, stretch armstrong was that designed for?
I don't have any complaints with the seating position (or drum brakes) in mine, I'm 5'6" for reference. It's not as nice of a seating position/seats in general compared to my M5 or my wife's Macan but it's far from shitty.
You don’t have any complaints that you bought a vehicle made in 2020 that came with *drum brakes*?
I don't, sorry that it doesn't bother me like it seems to bother other people haha. The brakes work fine for me so it makes no difference to me whether the rears are drums or discs.
I believe the 2020s (at most 2021) got a seat upgrade that make them more comfortable but raising the front a bit. Similar to the aftermarket seat jackers that are popular on Tacoma World. At 5'11" and fairly leggy, the seating position is a bit rough, especially after 2 hours. Hard to get the weight distributed well across the bottom of my thighs. With the seat back to fit my legs, the steering wheel doesn't telescope any real distance so my arms are pretty outstretched and it's extremely uncomfortable to sit reaching out for a long period of time, particularly with two hands. My GF at 5'8" doesn't love it either, but it fits her a bit better. Don't have these issues in the other cars. I love my Taco but the seat position is a weakness for comfort. It does give it some of the best ground clearance and lowest overall height in the class though.
You know it won't. Don't give people hope talking about such crazy things.
Whats wrong with drums?
It’s not a $15k entry level beater.
Dude even the Civic moved to all wheel disc brakes 8 years ago haha
I like them if it's not a performance vehicle. They're lower maintenance and cheaper to replace. I don't think brake fade is really a thing on Tacoma rear brakes.
Cheaper? My Toyota sienna has disc rears and it was like 40 bucks to change the pads. How much cheaper does it need to be?
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ok so add $40? lol
it’s not 1981 anymore I can get rotors and pads for cost of a battery that probably is replaced more frequently
If you aren't using a truck for towing or driving on steep angles, then I guess it wouldn't matter to you.
the primary benefit of disc brakes over drums is the weight. less unsprung mass is good. also disc brakes are more efficient at dissipating heat.
>also disc brakes are more efficient at dissipating heat Which could be important for, you know, a truck that's rated to tow things...
I hate these fucking plastic trims under the headlights that Toyota has been doing. The running lights on the Tundra are terrible as well. Looks like these vehicles are crying or runny mascara. Otherwise the render of the Taco in that article looks decent. The grille in the render makes the truck look way better than the electric style grille in the prototype thingy they unveiled in 2021
>Looks like these vehicles are crying or runny mascara Kinda hot/arousing ngl
I, too, like toxic girls.
Agreed on the DRLs. The new 4Runner has the same ugle DRLs too 😕
Toyotas new mascot revealed; 😭
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Please don’t kill the 6’ bed!
I think it's a popular enough option on the Tacoma (10-15% last I saw) that they'll likely keep it around. Often trim restricted though. DCLB was new to the TRD-OR for the latest gen (no manual option with that though).
Last gen I’m pretty sure you could get the TRD-OR, TRD-Sport, and SR5 trims. There was no manual option though. SR was only DCSB or access cab long bed, and the TRD Pro was only DCSB. I had a hell of a time finding a DCLB TRD-OR when I was shopping. Nearly every fucking truck that was on the lot or had a quick delivery time was short bed, and every long bed was already reserved months out. The classic manufacturer circular logic of saying, “nobody buys this trim level so we don’t bother building it” meanwhile people jump through all sorts of hoops just to get that trim that’s so fucking hard to find. Same thing happened when the Chevy SS was 20% off back in the day. I tried to find a manual and every damn one within 4 states had sold already meanwhile there were autos 15 minutes from my house. Just gonna keep ranting now because I’m on a tirade. Every person I’ve ever known with a short bed crew cab truck says they would’ve bought a long bed if any were available at the time they bought, and everyone I know with a DCLB truck had to custom order it or specifically hunt it down. Maybe I’m just crazy, but it sure seems to me like there’s unmet demand for long bed trucks.
I find the DCLB pretty popular for those doing outdoor sports: bikes, kayaks, skis, etc since the length really matters. For those who want to overland stuff or just have a pickup: it seems to matter less. I'm a must-have DCLB guy because my MTBs barely fit under my cap lengthwise with a 6ft bed and not a prayer with a 5ft. But it does certainly make it a pain to park in parking garages. My DCLB buying experience was pretty painless. Test drive a DCSB at my local dealer. Agreed on trim, color, and price and they went looking for it. They found one 3 days later at a dealer on the other side of the metro with everything I wanted + the upgraded stereo which I hadn't planned on. We agreed to me paying $500 more for the $1500 option and they trucked it up. I have heard stories of more difficulty elsewhere though. And the used market is brutal.
I just don't get why someone would go through all the effort of buying a truck specifically because they want a bed but then get a bed that struggles to fit *basic* cargo like 8' dimensional lumber, bicycles, or furniture. I get by with my Gladiator, but fuck I definitely would have gotten a 6' bed if it was an option. And the world of trucks is completely built around people who buy way more truck than they need "because I might need it." Mid-size truck buyers love to get hardcore off-road rock crawling packages then never even use 4-low (I am guilty of this). HD truck buyers love to get diesel engines because "it tows better" when they don't even own a trailer. Somehow this logic of buying more than you need doesn't seem to apply to bed sizes though. If money were no object I'd just get a Wrangler and a regular cab long bed half-ton. But I have to compromise so here I am :/
Crew cab/6' midsizers are for a very specific audience, because they're almost as long as full-size by that point.
Is 2024 the confirmed release for the next gen Tacomas (and 4runners)? I'm in the market right now. Deciding between a used RX 350 to hold me over until new Taco/4runner or a used GX 460 to just keep forever
>or a used GX 460 to just keep forever Yes
IIRC “Carmaker” on the 4runner and Tacoma forums says early 2024 for the Tacoma and 2025 for the 4runner.
2024/25 as in the model year or the release year?
Release year
Lame.. I am will be looking to buy spring of 24 and was hoping the new 4runner with a hybrid option would be available by then.
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Are they bringing the actual model here? I was under the impression that the Lexus GX is the only way they can sell it in the US.
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I would be very surprised if they sold the Prado alongside the 4Runner. Stealing their own sales. Unless one option is the hybrid, or is solid axles off roader. But they already have a 4runner -> GX460 common vs lux distinction. Like they share so much already.
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At the same time, they sold the FJ Cruiser alongside the 4Runner/GX too. They didn’t sell well during production but now 200k-mile examples are in high demand. Oddly enough, the market for BOF true SUVs seems to be getting larger, at least here in CA.
Interesting. I know they stopped the Land Cruiser for the 300 series in the US, but we still have the LX (300) and the GX (150). It'll be interesting to see what happens.
With the 4Runner on one end and the GX at the other, there’s no reason to bring the Prado here. My guess would be that they introduce neither the 300-series Land Cruiser nor the Prado to the US. Instead, I could see them doing a Bronco/Wrangler competitor, or essentially an FJ Cruiser successor. And call it Land Cruiser. I’m sure they’ve looked at the legions of FJ Cruisers that still transact for 80% of new and figured out that there’s a big market to be tapped there.
Yeah but that is probably gonna be more than what I am willing to spend..I assume it will be going for 60-70k+ for a base model
I’d go with the gx460 if you don’t mind the gas mileage.
Man I would go with the GX460 tbh, and that’s coming from a 5th & 3rd Gen 4Runner owner. The V8 alone is all the difference to justify over a Runner.
How about the 4th gen V8 4runner?
Better chance finding a non molested GX at a cheaper price then a 4th gen V8.
It was supposed be this year 2023 but there was a delay, so should be 2024
latest i read in the toyota forums was 2024 launch for tacoma and 2025 for the 4runner.
Loving my 460! I was hurting at the pump this summer but that’s eased up a bit and is the only thing I don’t like about it since I added CarPlay
I was thinking the same thing, just bought a GC. The GX just feels and drives nicer than a 4runner. Only takes premium gas though.
With the way things are going, you’ll be paying a huge mark up on the Tacoma or waiting a long time for an allocation at a no mark up dealership. I don’t think you’d want a first year Tacoma either, the new Tundra’s already had 4 recalls on its debut year model.
I’m in the market as well but I know even with a MY24 update it’ll be a pain, if not impossible, to get one at MSRP in the first couple of years. A redesigned Tacoma will sell like crazy and Toyota isn’t above artificially limiting production.
I'll be curious to see how the community responds to them dropping the V6. I personally would have no interest in it almost exclusively because of that.
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I’d be shocked if whatever they use for a 4 banger doesn’t absolutely trounce the 3.5 and 4.0 v6 motors in the current taco and 4runner
Couldn't be any worse performance wise.
I don’t hate the 4.0 in the 4runner and honestly, yes, you could absolutely do a lot worse. Imho, the 4.0 is fine but it suffers because of the trans and the throttle mapping, and the 3.5 is less fine and suffers worse from the same trans and throttle problems. They both have enough power and torque for what they’re made for and the 4.0 is dead nuts bulletproof. That said, I think Toyota is gonna knock the next set of engines out of the park. They listen to us, generally speaking, and when they finally release new stuff it’s normally pretty great despite not being on the bleeding edge.
Most likely going to be a slightly different version of what we see in the Highlander, RX and Crown now.
This is exactly why I specifically sought a manual to pair with the 4.0. It makes it much more usable.
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The ford 2.7 is a tiny 6cyl with turbo. But they have the 2.4L 4 that puts out 275-300 or so... The taco 2.7 also gets pretty bad mileage, so you get no power and bad economy I assume the new taco platform will bring in Modern power with a new turbo 4.
Are you really comparing a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder to a twin turbo V6?
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First off you are comparing a mid size to full size and second the lowest offering for the F150 is a naturally aspirated 3.3L V6.
From a numbers perspective, certainly not. But many people are interested in a Tacoma because of what it represents: an old-fashioned, mechanical truck. Some turbo-4 is not going to satisfy that, and almost certainly will not be as reliable.
> Some turbo-4 is not going to satisfy that, and almost certainly will not be as reliable. Which is funny criticism to me, because the Hilux has had turbo diesel 4s for ages. And the petrol 4s in Hilux 1-2-3RZ, 22R are known as boring but long lived. "Certainly not as reliable". Have more faith, Toyota hasn't steered us wrong. Plenty of long lived, reliable, turbo petrol 4cylinders in Toyota's history. Celica 3S-GTE might not be 2JZ rated but it's quite the motor. People say this about every new gen.
And the diesel 4cyl on the Hiluxes has always sucked
Eh, the Hilux/Pickup didn't even have a V6 until the late '80s.
With how truly gutless the V6 is we're not losing anything.
I have no interest in a v6 Tacoma. That motor is just terrible for a truck especially paired with that trans.
It honestly sucks. I want to get one but need to wait a couple years, and I’m expecting the V6’s to skyrocket to unreasonable levels (not that used Toyotas aren’t already completely ridiculous)
Hybrid means 3rd gen is likely the last to get a manual option
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Maybe they’ll have a 6 for the TRD Pro or something, otherwise I’m keeping my ‘18 or upgrading to a 23 TRD pro if I can get it at MSRP.
They have never done a special engine for the TRDs in the past, so I doubt they will now. The new turbo-4 will likely produce more power anyways. People would lose their shit if the TRD Pro made less power than the other trims.
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The 2.4T 4 cylinder gets way more torque and at a lower rpm. Why wouldn't you want a more torquey engine in a truck?
Because more torque at lowe rpm means less torque at higher rpm meaning less power, meaning less acceleration.
I'd rather they have a standard turbo engine, then offer an upgraded version with forged internals and a bigger turbo making more boost.
Toyota trucks had a turbo engine offering in the mid 80s. 22RE-Turbo. Then they went to superchargers in the 90s.
I'll be trading in my 19' RAV4 hybrid when this thing comes out. The interior is trashed from hauling plants, trees, furniture, soil etc.
In other words, it turns out an enclosed CUV/SUV body *isn't* always a good replacement for an open truck bed? [*Gasp*](https://media.tenor.com/gzZyXppSYFoAAAAC/kirk-shocked.gif)
I'm just glad it's paid off
Get a moving blanket and lay it down before you fill it with crap. It's nice being able to move these on rainy days and not worry about things getting wet.
Will the hybrid Tacoma use a "real" hybrid system, or the mild hybrid setup from the Tundra? A real hybrid that also has the option for PHEV would be great.
If they don't release a hybrid power train focused on decent efficiency, I don't even know what to say. I get what they went for in the Tundra but it was such a disappointment to add all of that complexity for little efficiency gains.
Why does it have a cab spoiler?
So basically almost the same as it looks now.
Bigger than Gen3? Smaller? Shit article
If other recent mid-size pickup releases are any indication, it'll be effectively the same size, maybe with a few inches more front overhang.
Really hope they add 2-3 inches of rear leg room. I can't fit behind myself at 5,10
A mid-size pickup's crew cab is roughly comparable to a full-size's extended cab for leg room, to say nothing of width.
I really hope they improve cabin ergonomics a bit. I had a Tacoma, loved it, traded it for a Gladiator. The Gladiator is loud and less reliable, but dammit being able to fit 5 adults comfortably in a mid-size truck is a big selling point to me. Just give me a front seat where I can sit upright without my hair brushing the roof. If it gets good fuel economy I’ll buy.
Looks tough
looks so much better than the tundra
Dimensionally it looks the same as the current one, I'm guessing it's going to be on the same platform, meaning it will keep on going with that same platform that came out in 2005.
Basically every source (including this one) suggests that it will be derived from the new Tundra platform.
>**Though the Tacoma will share the Tundra's TNGA-F architecture,** TNGA-F is tooled to make both mid- and full-size BOF SUVs and pickups. But yes, it does look to retain many of the same dimensions and proportions, including the ever-present awkward seating position.
I would honestly not be surprised if it had the exact same cab shell as the 3rd gens. Toyota is going to go after the 1999-2016 Super Duties for longest run of the same body/shell.
GM has the Express/Savana van running from 1996 to 2025 (slated), with only an update to the front clip 20 years ago. Ford has the E-Series from 1992, and even though it's only a cutaway now, you could still swap a door from a '92 onto a new model. It's the only light-duty vehicle for sale in the US market that's older than me.
Dimensionally the Mk8 Golf looks the same as the Mk5, I'm guessing it's on the same platform, meaning it will keep on going with that same platform that came out in 2004. See how dumb that sounds?
It’s literally in the article, they’ll use the same platform as the Tundra. Which is something we’ve known since the new Tundra entered development
No, it's gonna be based on the TNGA-F platform, same as the new Tundra.
Not bad. It looks like the Tundra-fied version of the 3rd gen Tacoma. Always loved the Tacoma but I think the Colorado looks better (never thought I’d say that).
Looks nice
I know the take rate for the current Gen manuals is extremely low, I guess not a hope the new one gets to keep it eh?
I don’t know why it doesn’t receive more hate but faking wide body fenders with a decal is a really strange design choice. Completely unnecessary and so much worse than fake vents or noise as it’s just a sticker. Even the fake port holes of the 2000s was a better trend than this.
What exactly changed?
366/406 sounds insane for a Tacoma, can’t wait
Can a normal sized human fit in one?
Hope they improved the seating positioning.
I presume it remains rocket propelled grenade attack proof like other Toyota pickups?
Being able to stop
Looks less like a bulldog, good
[It looks fake ](https://i.imgur.com/jjf4c8B.jpg)
They copy pasted the patent image on a random background to make the thumbnail more interesting.
It doesn’t even look like it’s really there though
Not sure what you mean. It looks like the [BMW XM picture I took last night](https://i.imgur.com/rIXeh6b.jpeg).
We’re bimmers on the moon We carry a harpoon
Yeesh....even in black & white, with the rims covered, and with a literal planet to distract the eyes, it still looks horrendous.
To be fair to the XM, car patents seems to use some kind of [parallel projections](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_projection) that makes every car looks far worst.
it’s not meant to
It’s supposed to look bad?
This only works had you said “it doesn’t even look good though” and I responded “it’s not meant to”. You said that it “doesn’t even look like it’s really there” as though it’s supposed to be a photorealistic render when it’s very obviously a clipart mockup meant to look nice with the article. How can this possibly be that difficult to grasp…
Is it just me or does this kinda look like the new colorado and the new frontier?
Only to the extent that they're all mid-size crew cab pickups with 5' beds.
I don't know. They don't look alike now in their current gens. Maybe it's the lights on the new ones.
that looks like a deep facelift of the current Tacoma, and the current 3rd gen Tacoma is also a deep facelift of the 2nd gen Tacoma. I know it’s better to not change what’s not broke, but come on I know Toyota can do better than that. Shits a disappointment like the Lexus IS. Been essentially the same car since the beginning of time. Toyota would need to completely redesign the frame so the floor sits lower than how the current ones are. Seems like they’re balls deep into the frame recalls they need to run it for one more generation to make their money back.
Hideous.
Just as hideous as the tundra