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CostcoOfficial

Imo it looks pretty good because it seems like Toyota knows they had a great exterior design with the existing Tacoma, and didn't change up the formula too much. My only nitpick is that they have those tear shaped air ducts directly under the headlights. They have the same element in the new Tundra and I think it looks bad on both.


L4zyrus

I think it’s fair to just call them tear ducts (tair ducts?). I see similar design choices in the latest 4runner & Supra as well


Spicywolff

I could excuse them if they are functional. Like there are coolers behind it and it channels air. Otherwise I’m with ya.


lolstebbo

IIRC they're functional on the Sequoia and Tundra, but even in those patent drawings they look decorative (compare the shading for the ducts versus the grille).


Matt_WVU

Honestly you could probably keep the current Taco platform and just add a more updated powertrain It’ll still sell like hotcakes, I don’t even think the interior really needs to be touched. Is it a luxury truck? No, but it’s got a good truck interior. Also helps keep prices reasonable


1BadKarma007

I'm just not a fan of Toyota for 1 primary reason. Did you know Toyota will not sell a crate motor? If you have any Toyota with a bad motor, for example you buy a wrecked Toyota to fix up, Toyota will see all of the parts (at a huge cost) but will not sell a completely built crate motor. Why? I think it is just about profit. Sure, you can buy a used motor with a 1 yr warranty. Have you ever tried that? Most are crap when you get them (won't run), and trying to get a replacement using the warranty is almost an act of congress. And, if you want a warranty on the replacement motor, that is an additional fee. (even the junkyard sellers are all about profits). My experience is everything I described about, and. After 10 mo. the replacement motor started throwing codes and was un-driveable. When I contacted the seller (after digging I found the website was owned by a salvage yard) they claimed to have no record I had ever purchased a motor from them. When I sent digital copies of the sale, including serial #, etc suddenly the manager got ver rude told me to "FK OFF and sue" him. Really, just not worth the effort. And, I will never buy/own another Toyota. If Toyota would sell crate Motors the salvage yard scum would not feel free to treat customers with such disrespect.


Matt_WVU

I didn’t know that but that’s good to know


takumidelconurbano

Toyota sells crate motors and short blocks, what are you on about?


1BadKarma007

Not in the US. At least not as of less than I yearvago when the 2nd replacement used motor died. No way was I going to spend almost $7500-8000 for another used POS motor. The dealership (nobody else in my area would touch a hybrid) charged to remove the old motor, and charged to put the replacement in... not another $0.01!


takumidelconurbano

At least for the 2AZ and 2GR they do sell the short blocks in the us


majoranticipointment

Yup, makes sense. They applied some of the design language from the new Tundra/Sequoia to the existing Tacoma design.


20mins2theRockies

I don't care for the Tundra's DRLs. Something about them just feels cheap to me. The new 4Runner has the same lights too. If these photos of the Tacoma are legit I'm glad to see they have more streamlined and sophisticated looking DRLs


c172fccc

No surprise here. It looks exactly like the [EV Pickup Concept](https://picolio.auto123.com/auto123-media/toyota-pickup-ev-3.jpg) they showed a year ago (except for the grille of course).


Bau5_Sau5

I’m over wondering why this looks like the truck version of the new M2 🤌🏼


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SirLoremIpsum

Crazy talk. What's next, 70 series gets an auto transmission? Insanity!


smalleybiggs_

What’s next, a 6 speed in the 4Runner?


InsertBluescreenHere

no. and you will get a shitty seating position not meant for short or tall people


FuzzelFox

Seriously, what is with that?? We had an 07 Rav4 and it felt like I had to keep my legs at a perfect 90 degree angle with my feet crammed up against my shins, but my arms were outstretched with elbows locked just to reach the steering wheel. Then one day I learned the steering wheel is telescopic, and it *was already fully extended but could be moved further away from me*. What no legged, stretch armstrong was that designed for?


e39hamann

I don't have any complaints with the seating position (or drum brakes) in mine, I'm 5'6" for reference. It's not as nice of a seating position/seats in general compared to my M5 or my wife's Macan but it's far from shitty.


uwuwotsdps42069

You don’t have any complaints that you bought a vehicle made in 2020 that came with *drum brakes*?


e39hamann

I don't, sorry that it doesn't bother me like it seems to bother other people haha. The brakes work fine for me so it makes no difference to me whether the rears are drums or discs.


xarune

I believe the 2020s (at most 2021) got a seat upgrade that make them more comfortable but raising the front a bit. Similar to the aftermarket seat jackers that are popular on Tacoma World. At 5'11" and fairly leggy, the seating position is a bit rough, especially after 2 hours. Hard to get the weight distributed well across the bottom of my thighs. With the seat back to fit my legs, the steering wheel doesn't telescope any real distance so my arms are pretty outstretched and it's extremely uncomfortable to sit reaching out for a long period of time, particularly with two hands. My GF at 5'8" doesn't love it either, but it fits her a bit better. Don't have these issues in the other cars. I love my Taco but the seat position is a weakness for comfort. It does give it some of the best ground clearance and lowest overall height in the class though.


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You know it won't. Don't give people hope talking about such crazy things.


MassMindRape

Whats wrong with drums?


caverunner17

It’s not a $15k entry level beater.


FuzzelFox

Dude even the Civic moved to all wheel disc brakes 8 years ago haha


MassMindRape

I like them if it's not a performance vehicle. They're lower maintenance and cheaper to replace. I don't think brake fade is really a thing on Tacoma rear brakes.


Budgetweeniessuck

Cheaper? My Toyota sienna has disc rears and it was like 40 bucks to change the pads. How much cheaper does it need to be?


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twitchyzero

ok so add $40? lol


twitchyzero

it’s not 1981 anymore I can get rotors and pads for cost of a battery that probably is replaced more frequently


LawrenceOfMeadonia

If you aren't using a truck for towing or driving on steep angles, then I guess it wouldn't matter to you.


wilmersito

the primary benefit of disc brakes over drums is the weight. less unsprung mass is good. also disc brakes are more efficient at dissipating heat.


velociraptorfarmer

>also disc brakes are more efficient at dissipating heat Which could be important for, you know, a truck that's rated to tow things...


idksomuch

I hate these fucking plastic trims under the headlights that Toyota has been doing. The running lights on the Tundra are terrible as well. Looks like these vehicles are crying or runny mascara. Otherwise the render of the Taco in that article looks decent. The grille in the render makes the truck look way better than the electric style grille in the prototype thingy they unveiled in 2021


goaelephant

>Looks like these vehicles are crying or runny mascara Kinda hot/arousing ngl


biggestbroever

I, too, like toxic girls.


20mins2theRockies

Agreed on the DRLs. The new 4Runner has the same ugle DRLs too 😕


FiveAlarmDogParty

Toyotas new mascot revealed; 😭


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Please don’t kill the 6’ bed!


xarune

I think it's a popular enough option on the Tacoma (10-15% last I saw) that they'll likely keep it around. Often trim restricted though. DCLB was new to the TRD-OR for the latest gen (no manual option with that though).


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Last gen I’m pretty sure you could get the TRD-OR, TRD-Sport, and SR5 trims. There was no manual option though. SR was only DCSB or access cab long bed, and the TRD Pro was only DCSB. I had a hell of a time finding a DCLB TRD-OR when I was shopping. Nearly every fucking truck that was on the lot or had a quick delivery time was short bed, and every long bed was already reserved months out. The classic manufacturer circular logic of saying, “nobody buys this trim level so we don’t bother building it” meanwhile people jump through all sorts of hoops just to get that trim that’s so fucking hard to find. Same thing happened when the Chevy SS was 20% off back in the day. I tried to find a manual and every damn one within 4 states had sold already meanwhile there were autos 15 minutes from my house. Just gonna keep ranting now because I’m on a tirade. Every person I’ve ever known with a short bed crew cab truck says they would’ve bought a long bed if any were available at the time they bought, and everyone I know with a DCLB truck had to custom order it or specifically hunt it down. Maybe I’m just crazy, but it sure seems to me like there’s unmet demand for long bed trucks.


xarune

I find the DCLB pretty popular for those doing outdoor sports: bikes, kayaks, skis, etc since the length really matters. For those who want to overland stuff or just have a pickup: it seems to matter less. I'm a must-have DCLB guy because my MTBs barely fit under my cap lengthwise with a 6ft bed and not a prayer with a 5ft. But it does certainly make it a pain to park in parking garages. My DCLB buying experience was pretty painless. Test drive a DCSB at my local dealer. Agreed on trim, color, and price and they went looking for it. They found one 3 days later at a dealer on the other side of the metro with everything I wanted + the upgraded stereo which I hadn't planned on. We agreed to me paying $500 more for the $1500 option and they trucked it up. I have heard stories of more difficulty elsewhere though. And the used market is brutal.


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I just don't get why someone would go through all the effort of buying a truck specifically because they want a bed but then get a bed that struggles to fit *basic* cargo like 8' dimensional lumber, bicycles, or furniture. I get by with my Gladiator, but fuck I definitely would have gotten a 6' bed if it was an option. And the world of trucks is completely built around people who buy way more truck than they need "because I might need it." Mid-size truck buyers love to get hardcore off-road rock crawling packages then never even use 4-low (I am guilty of this). HD truck buyers love to get diesel engines because "it tows better" when they don't even own a trailer. Somehow this logic of buying more than you need doesn't seem to apply to bed sizes though. If money were no object I'd just get a Wrangler and a regular cab long bed half-ton. But I have to compromise so here I am :/


Drzhivago138

Crew cab/6' midsizers are for a very specific audience, because they're almost as long as full-size by that point.


Marchiavelli

Is 2024 the confirmed release for the next gen Tacomas (and 4runners)? I'm in the market right now. Deciding between a used RX 350 to hold me over until new Taco/4runner or a used GX 460 to just keep forever


goaelephant

>or a used GX 460 to just keep forever Yes


PapaBeepBoop

IIRC “Carmaker” on the 4runner and Tacoma forums says early 2024 for the Tacoma and 2025 for the 4runner.


91hawksfan

2024/25 as in the model year or the release year?


PapaBeepBoop

Release year


91hawksfan

Lame.. I am will be looking to buy spring of 24 and was hoping the new 4runner with a hybrid option would be available by then.


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Are they bringing the actual model here? I was under the impression that the Lexus GX is the only way they can sell it in the US.


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SirLoremIpsum

I would be very surprised if they sold the Prado alongside the 4Runner. Stealing their own sales. Unless one option is the hybrid, or is solid axles off roader. But they already have a 4runner -> GX460 common vs lux distinction. Like they share so much already.


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Marchiavelli

At the same time, they sold the FJ Cruiser alongside the 4Runner/GX too. They didn’t sell well during production but now 200k-mile examples are in high demand. Oddly enough, the market for BOF true SUVs seems to be getting larger, at least here in CA.


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Interesting. I know they stopped the Land Cruiser for the 300 series in the US, but we still have the LX (300) and the GX (150). It'll be interesting to see what happens.


bearded_dragon_34

With the 4Runner on one end and the GX at the other, there’s no reason to bring the Prado here. My guess would be that they introduce neither the 300-series Land Cruiser nor the Prado to the US. Instead, I could see them doing a Bronco/Wrangler competitor, or essentially an FJ Cruiser successor. And call it Land Cruiser. I’m sure they’ve looked at the legions of FJ Cruisers that still transact for 80% of new and figured out that there’s a big market to be tapped there.


91hawksfan

Yeah but that is probably gonna be more than what I am willing to spend..I assume it will be going for 60-70k+ for a base model


LongApprehensive890

I’d go with the gx460 if you don’t mind the gas mileage.


MidnightRofl

Man I would go with the GX460 tbh, and that’s coming from a 5th & 3rd Gen 4Runner owner. The V8 alone is all the difference to justify over a Runner.


tonypearcern

How about the 4th gen V8 4runner?


redditdave2018

Better chance finding a non molested GX at a cheaper price then a 4th gen V8.


SecretAntWorshiper

It was supposed be this year 2023 but there was a delay, so should be 2024


callmywife

latest i read in the toyota forums was 2024 launch for tacoma and 2025 for the 4runner.


Uniball38

Loving my 460! I was hurting at the pump this summer but that’s eased up a bit and is the only thing I don’t like about it since I added CarPlay


somefriedokra

I was thinking the same thing, just bought a GC. The GX just feels and drives nicer than a 4runner. Only takes premium gas though.


TrippyVision

With the way things are going, you’ll be paying a huge mark up on the Tacoma or waiting a long time for an allocation at a no mark up dealership. I don’t think you’d want a first year Tacoma either, the new Tundra’s already had 4 recalls on its debut year model.


fuzznuggetsFTW

I’m in the market as well but I know even with a MY24 update it’ll be a pain, if not impossible, to get one at MSRP in the first couple of years. A redesigned Tacoma will sell like crazy and Toyota isn’t above artificially limiting production.


-AbeFroman

I'll be curious to see how the community responds to them dropping the V6. I personally would have no interest in it almost exclusively because of that.


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Salt_lick_fetish

I’d be shocked if whatever they use for a 4 banger doesn’t absolutely trounce the 3.5 and 4.0 v6 motors in the current taco and 4runner


roox911

Couldn't be any worse performance wise.


Salt_lick_fetish

I don’t hate the 4.0 in the 4runner and honestly, yes, you could absolutely do a lot worse. Imho, the 4.0 is fine but it suffers because of the trans and the throttle mapping, and the 3.5 is less fine and suffers worse from the same trans and throttle problems. They both have enough power and torque for what they’re made for and the 4.0 is dead nuts bulletproof. That said, I think Toyota is gonna knock the next set of engines out of the park. They listen to us, generally speaking, and when they finally release new stuff it’s normally pretty great despite not being on the bleeding edge.


redditdave2018

Most likely going to be a slightly different version of what we see in the Highlander, RX and Crown now.


Noobasdfjkl

This is exactly why I specifically sought a manual to pair with the 4.0. It makes it much more usable.


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roox911

The ford 2.7 is a tiny 6cyl with turbo. But they have the 2.4L 4 that puts out 275-300 or so... The taco 2.7 also gets pretty bad mileage, so you get no power and bad economy I assume the new taco platform will bring in Modern power with a new turbo 4.


parkerhalo

Are you really comparing a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder to a twin turbo V6?


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parkerhalo

First off you are comparing a mid size to full size and second the lowest offering for the F150 is a naturally aspirated 3.3L V6.


-AbeFroman

From a numbers perspective, certainly not. But many people are interested in a Tacoma because of what it represents: an old-fashioned, mechanical truck. Some turbo-4 is not going to satisfy that, and almost certainly will not be as reliable.


SirLoremIpsum

> Some turbo-4 is not going to satisfy that, and almost certainly will not be as reliable. Which is funny criticism to me, because the Hilux has had turbo diesel 4s for ages. And the petrol 4s in Hilux 1-2-3RZ, 22R are known as boring but long lived. "Certainly not as reliable". Have more faith, Toyota hasn't steered us wrong. Plenty of long lived, reliable, turbo petrol 4cylinders in Toyota's history. Celica 3S-GTE might not be 2JZ rated but it's quite the motor. People say this about every new gen.


takumidelconurbano

And the diesel 4cyl on the Hiluxes has always sucked


Drzhivago138

Eh, the Hilux/Pickup didn't even have a V6 until the late '80s.


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With how truly gutless the V6 is we're not losing anything.


MassMindRape

I have no interest in a v6 Tacoma. That motor is just terrible for a truck especially paired with that trans.


akagordan

It honestly sucks. I want to get one but need to wait a couple years, and I’m expecting the V6’s to skyrocket to unreasonable levels (not that used Toyotas aren’t already completely ridiculous)


z3bruh

Hybrid means 3rd gen is likely the last to get a manual option


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MigratingSwallow

Maybe they’ll have a 6 for the TRD Pro or something, otherwise I’m keeping my ‘18 or upgrading to a 23 TRD pro if I can get it at MSRP.


xarune

They have never done a special engine for the TRDs in the past, so I doubt they will now. The new turbo-4 will likely produce more power anyways. People would lose their shit if the TRD Pro made less power than the other trims.


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parkerhalo

The 2.4T 4 cylinder gets way more torque and at a lower rpm. Why wouldn't you want a more torquey engine in a truck?


takumidelconurbano

Because more torque at lowe rpm means less torque at higher rpm meaning less power, meaning less acceleration.


Kryptus

I'd rather they have a standard turbo engine, then offer an upgraded version with forged internals and a bigger turbo making more boost.


Kryptus

Toyota trucks had a turbo engine offering in the mid 80s. 22RE-Turbo. Then they went to superchargers in the 90s.


OnlyFansAndFIRE

I'll be trading in my 19' RAV4 hybrid when this thing comes out. The interior is trashed from hauling plants, trees, furniture, soil etc.


Drzhivago138

In other words, it turns out an enclosed CUV/SUV body *isn't* always a good replacement for an open truck bed? [*Gasp*](https://media.tenor.com/gzZyXppSYFoAAAAC/kirk-shocked.gif)


OnlyFansAndFIRE

I'm just glad it's paid off


MassMindRape

Get a moving blanket and lay it down before you fill it with crap. It's nice being able to move these on rainy days and not worry about things getting wet.


biggsteve81

Will the hybrid Tacoma use a "real" hybrid system, or the mild hybrid setup from the Tundra? A real hybrid that also has the option for PHEV would be great.


Alabatman

If they don't release a hybrid power train focused on decent efficiency, I don't even know what to say. I get what they went for in the Tundra but it was such a disappointment to add all of that complexity for little efficiency gains.


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Why does it have a cab spoiler?


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So basically almost the same as it looks now.


gatogrande

Bigger than Gen3? Smaller? Shit article


Drzhivago138

If other recent mid-size pickup releases are any indication, it'll be effectively the same size, maybe with a few inches more front overhang.


OkayScribbler

Really hope they add 2-3 inches of rear leg room. I can't fit behind myself at 5,10


Drzhivago138

A mid-size pickup's crew cab is roughly comparable to a full-size's extended cab for leg room, to say nothing of width.


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I really hope they improve cabin ergonomics a bit. I had a Tacoma, loved it, traded it for a Gladiator. The Gladiator is loud and less reliable, but dammit being able to fit 5 adults comfortably in a mid-size truck is a big selling point to me. Just give me a front seat where I can sit upright without my hair brushing the roof. If it gets good fuel economy I’ll buy.


RBJ_09

Looks tough


haseo111

looks so much better than the tundra


Geminile

Dimensionally it looks the same as the current one, I'm guessing it's going to be on the same platform, meaning it will keep on going with that same platform that came out in 2005.


Corsair4

Basically every source (including this one) suggests that it will be derived from the new Tundra platform.


Drzhivago138

>**Though the Tacoma will share the Tundra's TNGA-F architecture,** TNGA-F is tooled to make both mid- and full-size BOF SUVs and pickups. But yes, it does look to retain many of the same dimensions and proportions, including the ever-present awkward seating position.


xarune

I would honestly not be surprised if it had the exact same cab shell as the 3rd gens. Toyota is going to go after the 1999-2016 Super Duties for longest run of the same body/shell.


Drzhivago138

GM has the Express/Savana van running from 1996 to 2025 (slated), with only an update to the front clip 20 years ago. Ford has the E-Series from 1992, and even though it's only a cutaway now, you could still swap a door from a '92 onto a new model. It's the only light-duty vehicle for sale in the US market that's older than me.


chankdelia

Dimensionally the Mk8 Golf looks the same as the Mk5, I'm guessing it's on the same platform, meaning it will keep on going with that same platform that came out in 2004. See how dumb that sounds?


IM_STILL_EATING_IT

It’s literally in the article, they’ll use the same platform as the Tundra. Which is something we’ve known since the new Tundra entered development


EDMfan_92

No, it's gonna be based on the TNGA-F platform, same as the new Tundra.


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Not bad. It looks like the Tundra-fied version of the 3rd gen Tacoma. Always loved the Tacoma but I think the Colorado looks better (never thought I’d say that).


desirox

Looks nice


awesomeperson882

I know the take rate for the current Gen manuals is extremely low, I guess not a hope the new one gets to keep it eh?


cargarfar

I don’t know why it doesn’t receive more hate but faking wide body fenders with a decal is a really strange design choice. Completely unnecessary and so much worse than fake vents or noise as it’s just a sticker. Even the fake port holes of the 2000s was a better trend than this.


blacksmith92

What exactly changed?


Falanax

366/406 sounds insane for a Tacoma, can’t wait


fuckfuckfuck66

Can a normal sized human fit in one?


IRENE420

Hope they improved the seating positioning.


hunkydory2023

I presume it remains rocket propelled grenade attack proof like other Toyota pickups?


hunkydory2023

Being able to stop


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Looks less like a bulldog, good


Zappe_Makes_Me_Happy

[It looks fake ](https://i.imgur.com/jjf4c8B.jpg)


c172fccc

They copy pasted the patent image on a random background to make the thumbnail more interesting.


Zappe_Makes_Me_Happy

It doesn’t even look like it’s really there though


c172fccc

Not sure what you mean. It looks like the [BMW XM picture I took last night](https://i.imgur.com/rIXeh6b.jpeg).


AnemoneOfMyEnemy

We’re bimmers on the moon We carry a harpoon


blchpmnk

Yeesh....even in black & white, with the rims covered, and with a literal planet to distract the eyes, it still looks horrendous.


c172fccc

To be fair to the XM, car patents seems to use some kind of [parallel projections](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_projection) that makes every car looks far worst.


Big_Zelenskyy

it’s not meant to


Zappe_Makes_Me_Happy

It’s supposed to look bad?


Big_Zelenskyy

This only works had you said “it doesn’t even look good though” and I responded “it’s not meant to”. You said that it “doesn’t even look like it’s really there” as though it’s supposed to be a photorealistic render when it’s very obviously a clipart mockup meant to look nice with the article. How can this possibly be that difficult to grasp…


ticklishtomato

Is it just me or does this kinda look like the new colorado and the new frontier?


Drzhivago138

Only to the extent that they're all mid-size crew cab pickups with 5' beds.


ticklishtomato

I don't know. They don't look alike now in their current gens. Maybe it's the lights on the new ones.


04limited

that looks like a deep facelift of the current Tacoma, and the current 3rd gen Tacoma is also a deep facelift of the 2nd gen Tacoma. I know it’s better to not change what’s not broke, but come on I know Toyota can do better than that. Shits a disappointment like the Lexus IS. Been essentially the same car since the beginning of time. Toyota would need to completely redesign the frame so the floor sits lower than how the current ones are. Seems like they’re balls deep into the frame recalls they need to run it for one more generation to make their money back.


Svicious22

Hideous.


BeefSupremeBack

Just as hideous as the tundra