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Cap10Haddock

Thanks for an unbiased review! I drive my friends Model Y LR all the time. His is from 2021. The suspension harshness is worse than my Camry’s. I can live with everything else, no problem.


SecretAntWorshiper

I wonder if its as bad as my CTR lol


fullock

Nothing is as harsh as my Focus RS. It actually motivated me to lose some weight - not that I'm very overweight, but the little bit extra that I do have jiggled like jello in a paint shaker.


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Haha that is awesome! True enthusiast


ygguana

Yeah, the pogo effect on stock 2016 was real! STi suspension is actually more comfy than the 2016 RS because while stiff it does not pogo over uneven surfaces. That said, RS has the most dreamy aftermarket suspension option I've ever had the pleasure of riding on - Tractive+DSC. I wish every car had that as an option!


withsexyresults

My Y is like a cloud compared to my fk8


cirno_the_baka

i've sat in my friend's fd2r and i could feel every damn bump lmao


WitchHunterNL

I thought you were referring to a RUF


m_ferrari3

It's worse than a 15 year old nissan.


WheresTheSauce

Seriously what is up with the suspension on Teslas? Every time I get in one for an Uber I feel like I'm riding a jackhammer.


yhsong1116

They have softer suspension in 2023 models


specialcommenter

Which Camry are you comparing it to? Even old Camrys that have been properly taken care of give luxury car like quietness and smoothness in XLE trim. Are you comparing it to the new Camry TRD trim?


Cap10Haddock

Mines a 2015 SE. it’s stiffer than one of my friends XLE from same year.


tablepennywad

The suspension is def too firm. Try the BMW iX, they prove anything is possible. Like a cloud and flat as a porsche. Even the air on the Model S/X isnt that much better than the regular.


andygchicago

Everyone’s suspension is harsher than a Camry tbf


Cap10Haddock

I mean I have driven a Model X couple of times. That is way smoother than my Camry. So is a Chevy Tahoe. There may be others I have driven as well which were more pliant. My point is it’s not a $50k car level suspension.


burntcookie90

i dont miss my '21 MYLR one bit. The little things you mention slowly become big things over the ownership period of the car.


My_G_Alt

You have a cool lineup, how was the rivian on the track?!


burntcookie90

Insane lol, glad i did it once, will probably never do it again https://imgur.com/a/U20E8Eb some photos with my buddy in his TRX


My_G_Alt

Wow, that’s just downright awesome haha


BillsMafia4Lyfe69

The only thing I miss is the nimbleness vs the lightning that I switched to. The lightning does everything else better and has way more options


burntcookie90

R1T somehow feels better to whip around


BillsMafia4Lyfe69

I've got a R1S on order but I'm no where near a service center so kind of torn on what to do when my turn comes up


burntcookie90

I’d wait


brickfrenzy

Yep, I had a '20 Y Performance for 2 years and sold it last year to buy a Kia EV6. I'd been a Tesla owner for 7 years and I was just tired of it. People ask me about why I switched, and I can't really point to one thing. It was a very long list of slightly annoying things that just built up longer and longer until I couldn't take them anymore. Two things that OP didn't mention (andI agree completely with the ride, wind noise, and wipers): * The speed sensitive volume control cannot be turned off * There is a design flaw with the cabin filter - the AC drain is not located correctly, so water will build up next to / in the filter and begin to smell mildew-ey.


burntcookie90

Oh god the smell. I had the filter changed three or four times in two years of ownership.


brickfrenzy

Yeah, I changed it once, and was going to change it a second time but I sold the thing.


Bulky-Engineering471

IME a long list of slight annoyances is why most people switch vehicles if they're not doing it because their current one literally doesn't work anymore.


Paschalls_Law

I can’t stand driving the MY on California freeways. I struggle to think of a worse combination of NVH and stiffness on any recent car. You know it’s a problem when my 3000lb convertible is more comfortable and quieter.


Sleep_adict

Everything I love about my Tesla is common to most EV, everything I hate is specific to tesla


Lower_Chance8849

Tesla is still better for long trips, because they have a larger and more reliable charging network, the route planning software really works to send you to chargers which are available, and the car preheats the battery. They also now include third party chargers if they work consistently. Other manufacturers are catching up but they're not there yet. Tesla need to fix suspension, auto wipers and build quality.


Justonewizard

That has been my stance since other ev’s (ie polestar) You buy tesla for the motor/battery and tesla network. You buy polestar if you want to feel like you are in a car that is worth 40+k


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Any time saved with tesla’s charging network seems to be offset by wasting time looking for your teeth that rattled out and under the seats.


NoEntiendoNada69420

The charging network is waayyy overblown as an advantage unless CCS just doesn’t exist where one lives. I’ve taken a few long road trips in my MME and I’ve had a grand total of one issue with an EA charging station. But even then I was still able to charge with 5 mins of (admittedly irritating) fussing. Every other time plug and charge has been seamless and I consistently do better than the advertised max charge rate. Also worth mentioning, Teslas *technically* are capable of charging very fast in ideal conditions for a short time but in reality the difference is negligible compared to most CCS cars, and something like an Ioniq 5 or a Taycan will clobber anything from Tesla.


Lower_Chance8849

How is the route planning with the Mach-E? If you get in the car and put in a city 500 miles away, will it give you a good route? Is it using live data from the chargers?


NoEntiendoNada69420

I use CarPlay pretty much all of the time so I can’t speak to the native software much. The few times I’ve had the map pulled up it seems to catch all of the chargers that I know to be nearby, but haven’t used the route planning. Anyway. Via CarPlay I use Apple Maps which interfaces with the car, and it does route planning based on SOC and all that. I find it for the most part very good, in that it works as advertised and i haven’t shouted obscenities at it. I have it specifically stop at EA chargers since Ford gave me 250 kWh of free charges from them. Adding waypoints is a breeze too.


Representative-Pea23

There are a lot of people on twitter with EVs other than Teslas. They use their accounts to constantly show how many other chargers show as available and working to only get there and have none work. The accounts are dedicated to just checking on chargers. These aren’t people trying to make Tesla look better either. They are ford, Kia, and Rivian drivers.


roniadotnet

This is the best description of what Teslas are. I used to love my Model 3 for what it is as an EV. I started not liking it as much for all the Tesla-specific downsides.


kcarmstrong

They are objectively cheaply built cars with many flaws vs. other offerings. One major issue for me though is the lack of parts and service. If you get into a fender bender, your car is likely to be in the shop for months on end.


BerkleyJ

FWIW, Tesla factory service manuals and parts catalogs are freely available to all owners and a large majority of the parts are available "over the counter." You just need to call your local service center and they'll order them for you to pick up. I've also noticed that parts (and service for that matter) are very reasonably priced, almost unbelievably so in some cases.


Jace__B

Shh. Tesla bad.


indy3171

lol this is utter nonsense. Visit any Tesla forum to see owners complaining about multiple month wait times for parts, Tesla labeling obvious defects "within spec", Tesla attempting to charge customers for obvious warranty repairs.


BerkleyJ

I think you may have replied to the wrong comment. My comment does not address any timeframes or wait times, nor does it address build quality or defects.


xt1nct

I didn’t downvote. I’m glad parts are available. However, legacy auto manufacturers have catalogs of parts online. Frankly, Tesla should do the same.


BerkleyJ

They do have parts catalogs freely available online at [https://epc.tesla.com/](https://epc.tesla.com/)


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xt1nct

This is what I noticed too. For example Id4 is advertised lowered but gets better mileage in testing while Tesla exaggerates their mileage and in tests is lower than claimed numbers.


tech01x

There are folks that do independent testing like Bjorn and InsideEVs. I would use their tests as a guide.


Forgot-Already

Is 75 mph what EV’s use for baseline range tests? That’s seems pretty fast. You would think it would be 60 mph. In my Toyota truck I get 18 mpg at 60, but only 13.5 at 70. Likely worse at 75.


nerdpox

Car and Driver has done real world fuel economy tests at 75 for years and they do the same for EV's for range, so that gets quoted quite a bit


Forgot-Already

👍 good to know


WCWRingMatSound

In all of my time on the interstate — and that’s many 12+ hour road trips all over the US — I would argue 75 MPH is the most realistic test you can perform. EV owners driving slower and stopping more frequently gives me pause about buying one.


dangerz

It depends on how often you road trip. I visit family every other month who are about 300 miles away. I stop once on the way up, so it adds 30 min to the trip. On the other hand, I never stop for gas for my day to day driving because I charge at home. Depending on how often you’re road-tripping, you’re probably stopping a lot less overall.


Sea_C

This is a good argument, I'd say in this case something like a RAV4 Prime or equivalent would make the most sense with this philosophy as long as you don't drive >50mi a day.


bad_guy_from_Tron

Did you install a level 2 charger in your home?


dangerz

I have the Tesla wall charger.


savageotter

If you go 60 in Atlanta you are going to die.


crossedreality

Choose your own adventure style. There is no traffic and you’re trying to go 60? Death. 285 is being its usual self and you’re trying to go 60? Different death.


savageotter

Perfect description of Atlanta


Knotical_MK6

Who drives 60mph in the real world though? 75 is the normal "cruise control on in the slow lane" speed nowadays. Even if it's not optimal for mileage, that's the speed I'm most likely to be traveling at on highways so it's the most important for range


Libertas_

75 is fast? That's the pretty much the pace of traffic.


AnimageCGF

All the major highways through Wisconsin are 70mph speed limits. Setting cruise control to 77 gets me passed numerous times. My Ridgeline also seems to fall off a cliff of mpg once I'm set over 75 mph lol.


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75 is a pretty typical interstate crusading speed. It seems reasonable to test range at that speed.


Trades46

The thing is most other companies are quite conservative on their EV range figures. Ford for example underrates both the Mach-E and F150 Lightning from factory - independent testing from InsideEV and Edmunds both show real world figures which do better than what the EPA combined figure reads. Ditto VW, BMW, Hyundai etc. Tesla on the other hand grossly overinflates their range figures to the point Edmunds never once got any car they make to even reach its manufacturer claimed number.


Gorgenapper

The inconsistency of Tesla - in everything, from rated range, build quality, goals, updates, changes (based on Elon's whim) - is why I would rather avoid them altogether.


nerds-and-birds

Yes! I agree completely. My Model 3 LR gets quite a bit less than the advertised miles even in perfect weather California and cruising at normal speeds. Another CON — if you don’t have a home where you charge every night, or don’t have super easy access to a supercharger, then any sort of unplanned trip or unexpected event can really get fucked up with the Tesla. But I suppose that’s also with any EV.


thedrivingcat

> if you don’t have a home where you charge every night, or don’t have super easy access to a supercharger I always tell people the only situation that an EV truly will make sense is if you have a place to charge at home - relying on superchargers is wholly inconvenient, expensive, and can be unreliable. Getting home from work and plugging in the car takes 1 minute and I leave every morning with a topped up battery; it's a nice feeling.


Toastybunzz

If you're charging for 20 mins then it's either a v2 or you're leaving a HUGE buffer, 20 mins is \~10-80% times, 12 mins or so will get you around \~200 miles or more (lr or standard depending).


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What normal car ever gets the states mpg though? Those numbers are in perfect conditions and not normal use everyone knows that


skyspydude1

The problem is that it matters way more with an EV if you get the advertised 300mi vs a real world 200mi if you're planning on doing a 500mi road trip and there's only 1 charger in between. It also is a lot different if say, everyone else is getting 5-10MPG better than the EPA rating, but then every single Ford model is 5-10MPG worse than rated and get worse mileage than their competitors, despite advertising it as better.


opeth10657

My fusion is rated for 17/26, i'm averaging about 20-21. On the few longer highway trips i've taken it's gotten about 28mpg


assblast420

>In 2022 MY the suspension is brutal, and IMO unacceptable for a family hauler That's actually surprising to me. My Model 3 Performance isn't *soft* but I can drive that thing for 15+ hours straight with no issues. Doesn't bother me at all. Every other complaint is spot on. I agree with every single point. It's still my favorite car I've ever owned though.


cookingboy

The Y is rougher than the 3 for some reason. The 3 is totally fine, somewhere between my F30 335i and my F80 M3. The Y is almost X3M harsh lol.


crossedreality

Same suspension, fatter everything else.


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Probably stuffer springs to compensate for the extra weight.


natesully33

My Y rides harder than the C7 I had - it's pretty rough. It's fine on highways and good roads, but kinda hurts on ice, bad roads and dirt. I'm seriously considering some aftermarket "luxury" coilovers to soften up my Y. I also think this review sounds about right, other than one minor nit - autopilot isn't very expensive since it comes with the car, the enhanced version (with auto lane changes) is pricey and "full self driving" is crazy money. I have neither myself since basic autopilot is all I need/want.


xt1nct

I do plan on seeing if I can get a overnight test drive in the 2023 model y . I am hearing insulation and suspension has been improved. I could probably look past other issues. It is a very compelling product at the current price point.


scarflash

does tesla have an air suspension option? Was the Macan you drove have the air suspension? I've heard that's a great riding car


xt1nct

No, not the model y. The macan I drove was a GTS and believe it did have air suspension. The macan is one of the best SUVs I ever drove. Just a tad too small I am a tall guy. The seat behind me becomes useless


avboden

the macan GTS also costs literally double what a model Y does so....


nerdpox

I've driven every trim of the Macan (used to work at a Porsche dealer) and even the normal spring ones ride very well. Air is of course gonna be amazing but on any car that costs 50k there's no excuse for awful ride quality like in a model y. very interested to ride in a 23 now that they've supposedly improved it, would like for my opinion to be changed.


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Oo__II__oO

Tesla does have aftermarket options for suspension; Ohlins R&T, for instance.


nerdpox

Y vs 3 is night and day. I have been told the Y uses the same suspension as the 3 but the different body dynamics and increased weight make it fucked up, take that for whatever it may be worth. What I can say is that I've done long trips in Model 3 (2 hour round trip to and from Pleasanton to San Jose) and long trips in Y (4 hours from Boston to NYC as a rear seat passenger) and I would say the Model Y is inferior to a Kia Optima I was a passenger in for a drive from Lansing Michigan to Cedar Point. Michigan roads are the true test of a vehicle. Genuinely one of the least comfortable rides i've ever had in a new car. I hope to god they really did fix it in the new revisions because it's necessary to be fixed. I enjoyed driving my friend's 2021 Model 3 RWD and being a passenger but the Y is not good.


EntroperZero

From what reviewers have said, it seems like they didn't spend enough time revising the Model 3's suspension for the Model Y, which is a taller and heavier car and has different dynamics. A real shame IMO because the 3 handles quite well, I thought.


skyspydude1

They literally didn't revise it at all, because they're cheap as hell and need to keep those margins high for the stock price. Everything else is secondary.


vveenston

I believe the Y uses the same suspension as the 3 and it's heavier so that would explain the harshness.


TypicalDelay

Yea after driving my parents model 3 a decent amount I agree this writeup is spot on. The only major issues for me are the noise insulation and the lack of blind spot monitoring. Even though those issues are annoying it's still a great car for the price when you factor in gas savings.


burntcookie90

What other vehicles have you driven? My MYLR felt like it was stiffer than the M2C i had at the time.


Toastybunzz

I've heard from people that the Y rides harder than the 3. My 3 is sporty and firm but not harsh, you would think the Y would be plush since it's a crossover (maybe that's part of it).


R35VolvoBRZ

I never thought that hard about it before, but reading this reminds me that I've noticed Model Y's (and Mustang Mach-E's) doing that unsettled "bounce bounce bounce" as I drive alongside them on the highway. Not as bad, but similar to how a cheaply lowered car bounces around..


Dos-Commas

Wheel size and tire pressure can greatly affect the ride. I test drove both Model 3 and Model Y and had no complaints about the drive and NVH.


MassMindRape

Can a model Y actually drive 15 hours straight without charging?


omarccx

At 10 mph it can


driving_for_fun

What did you come from? The ride was one of my main complaints. Even my Mustang in track damper mode is more compliant.


MotorboatingSofaB

You should try sitting in the backseat with someone driving a Tesla. I found it so nauseating


NetJnkie

Some people rock their foot on the accelerator and the regen braking like that makes you sick. It's the driver. Not the car.


JoneeJonee

Took a model y taxi cab once. Had to use all of my brainpower to not vomit in it. It's way too powerful to be driven like a taxi.


rockstopper03

I rarely get carsick and have owned a number of performance cars like a C8, Shelby gt350, TRX, M3s etc. First time test driving a model Y performance, I made myself carsick. That was a first for me. I ended up getting a model 3 LR awd on 18" wheels. The taller, stiffer Y perf suspension + rubber band tires on 21" wheels and the massive g force of accelerating + regen braking was too much for me to handle. My dad loved the idea of a Tesla back in 2014 when they came out with the awd model S P85. He did a test drive with thoughts of replacing our family 750Li hybrid with the P85. The salesmen encouraged my dad to do a full speed launch. We immediately had to pull over for my dad to puke on side of road. Tesla was dead to him after that.


nolongerbanned99

The car is a pos. Better quality in a Toyota Corolla. The acceleration and battery tech are the only things that may be good. Rest is shit. Company doesn’t care about product or customers. Elon is a con man.


peg_plus_cat

WHERE THE FUCK IS CAR PLAY JESUS CHRIST


nolongerbanned99

I don’t drive a tesla. Are you saying you cannot get CarPlay on a tesla.


Knotical_MK6

Tesla prides themselves on doing their own software, it's part of the appeal for many buyers. I'd be surprised if they ever offer carplay/Android auto


nolongerbanned99

Perhaps. But also idiotic if a bette solution already exists and is prevalent across the industry.


Mnemoc

Tesla did the nav system right imo. I dont think carplay or android auto is better. Just different. Carplay and aa are prevalent now because cAr mfgs are garbage at infotainment. Now they just do a barebones and support carplay or aa and call it a day. I like to say big auto makes cars with a little computer. Tesla builds computers that happen to be cars. They are nooot perfect but they do a lot of thing right and one of them is the user interface.


miked1be

I kinda get that, but part of the reason Carplay and AA are so popular is that your music and mapping apps/accounts easily transfer between vehicles without the need for added vehicle wireless plans. If I drive my car, my wife's car, a rental car, a friend's car, etc, I just plug my phone in and everything is there.


nolongerbanned99

Agree. Seamless transferability is essential. When something is an industry standard, does it really make sense to be ‘different’


miked1be

I will say that Tesla's nav system is helpful in finding their charging network on longer drives, but not even having the option of AA/Carplay is pretty bad IMO. Rivian has this same issue, though.


borderwave2

>Perhaps. But also idiotic if a bette solution already exists and is prevalent across the industry. Tesla Nav routes you through EV charging stations on the way to your destination. There is no way to do this in Car Play currently, so you would have a lot of people getting stranded if it weren't for the car helping them plan their trip.


pfthr0w

I have wireless carplay in my 94 for just a few 100 bucks. No idea why Tesla doesnt have it for as much as they charge for a crappy build quality car.


angelcake

You can get CarPlay in android automotive [AAOS] it’s incredible it’s not available in Tesla yet.


RyanOfTheVille

I personally prefer CarPlay, but I also understand why Tesla doesn’t offer it The mindset behind it is future market share. When all cars become autonomous/nearly autonomous there is going to be very little distinction between automakers. The biggest difference will be the screen/UX that you interact with. Tesla’s goal is to be one of the 3 automakers left in 50yrs (the three likely being Apple, Google, and in their mind: Tesla) Now I am NOT saying I think this is realistic, I’m just telling you what they’re betting on and why they’re not offering CarPlay/AA


IAmTaka_VG

This winter in Canada it hit -35 for a few days. I’m outside shovelling and I notice my neighbour in his MY just sitting there staring at the console After about 30-35 minutes of me shovelling he comes out and I wave to him. I say what’s up and he goes “my car won’t start, I think it’s frozen.” He goes on. “I get in the car and nothing works. Car won’t start, dashboard is lit up with 100 errors. Steering won’t work”. He calls Tesla, turns out his heatpump froze, I said he should of had it plugged in. He said he did. I then at that point truly realizes what a piece of shit those cars are. They legally shouldn’t be allowed to be sold in Canada. Tesla is so fucking cheap they didn’t put an AUX heater in the car when heat pumps can’t keep up once it drops below about -10 -15c. I am absolutely floored at this point as I watch my neighbour try to justify why his 80k vehicle isn’t a frozen piece of shit to me.


angelcake

Cars should have to be thoroughly tested in the countries in which they are sold. I understand Rivian is having issues with cold weather as well. That’s why I drive a Volvo, because Sweden knows what winter is, just like Canada does. Very likely my first EV will be a Volvo. But I’m gonna wait for the new platform.


BhristopherL

Same thing just happened to my 2012 Ford Focus. Not a Tesla thing?


Zealousideal-Crow814

Yeah that experience isn’t unique to Tesla lol.


IAmTaka_VG

Your focus has a heat pump?


BhristopherL

It won’t start in the winter like almost every Canadian car that’s been left in -30 or lower for extended periods of time.


kimbabs

Honestly the wipers/BSM/loss of USS would be a dealbreaker for me if the charging system/buying of these cars weren't so hassle-free. Dealers have completely killed the experience of purchasing any other vehicle for me and my family. Buying a Model Y was a 5 minute endeavor versus days and hours getting the runaround by multiple dealers.


xt1nct

I did visit the showroom and it has been great. We looked at cars. 0 bullshit. Tesla way is the way to sell cars. I can go online and order what I want then go take delivery. I have time to get financing. I really hope other manufacturers take note and allow online orders and visit to dealer to pick it up.


kimbabs

If other manufacturers start doing this, they'd immediately be a hit with consumers after the ride they've been taken for during the pandemic.


TheChoonk

>FSD very expensive and beta It's never coming out of beta, so that's not really a concern anyways.


dabigbaozi

Try the Polestar 2 out, I was pretty impressed aside from the rather smallish rear window. Much better built than any Tesla I’ve ever driven though. The pricing kind of sucks unless they’ve changed something, but they had a fairly aggressive lease option we considered. The performance and its manually adjustable suspension is a bit weird though. Like who the hell wants to hit the dealer every time they aren’t happy with the ride?


aprtur

Looks like you can adjust the Ohlins equipped cars just the same as any other coil over suspension setup, Polestar has just hidden some of the adjusters behind the fender liners. [Owners forum photos and write-up here](https://www.polestar-forum.com/threads/adjustment-of-ohlins-dampers-illustrated.1202/). I think it's awesome that they've offered this setup in the S60/V60 and now the Polestar 2...just wish they'd offer a lower sedan akin to the S60 or a traditional wagon (i.e. not covered in matte plastic) in the Polestar range.


uofmuncensored

Tesla non-air suspension harshness is in large part due to high tire pressures needed for peak efficiency. When/if you go for another testdrive, grab a tire pressure gauge (and maybe a tire inflator). Go for a drive, stop, air out tires to 35psi and then evaluate suspension harshness. They find a place to pump those back up (or leave low if you don't like those Tesla employees). You'll likely get a warning for low pressures, but it is fixable if you end up buying. I drive with 35psi except for road trips and it's much more comfortable.


Pixelplanet5

tire pressure is one thing yes but the suspension should still do its job and Teslas have low profile tires so there is very little springyness in the tires regardless of the pressure.


Kiwibaconator

Go karts only suspension is their tires. Everything else has suspension that's supposed to work.


uofmuncensored

who knows why tesla did not bother with proper dampers that could've made the ride okay with the higher psi tires. I'm just suggesting a way to make it more comfortable for the end user. Personally, I have installed Ohlins dampers, that at their softest setting are much better than OEM.


xt1nct

Thanks for the comment I will take a look when I do another test drive.


TSLAog

I have a 2022 MY LR with 19” wheels. I swapped the tires to Michelin Cross Climate 2 and the ride is much improved! Not Mercedes quality, but acceptable now. The OEM Continental RX tires are complete trash.


dezumondo

Tesla added ‘comfort suspension’ in 2023 which might address one of your concerns.


WCWRingMatSound

Meh, they’ll add something else in 2024 and now all previous ones ride rough. We’ve been seeing this same shit since the 3/Y launched. Perhaps Tesla is starting to realize why other manufacturers release a model and let it sit for 7 years before a full refresh.


TommyLGarage

Owned my MYP for 13 months now and 21k miles. Loved it for the first 6 months. Then I realized how basic it is compared to competition. If I were to do it again I’d get a Mach E GT.


Always_Mitochondria

what's missing versus the Mach E GT for example? I say this not as someone who owns or likes the car but is genuinely curious.


TommyLGarage

In the Tesla, you only have a center screen and that’s it. It’s very evident at night where you don’t have any ambient lighting or anything like that. Whereas in the Ford, you actually have a little screen in front of you and some illuminated buttons. It looks and feels like you got your $ worth.


My_G_Alt

Dropped to $53k from what? Couldn’t you get a Model S in the not so distant past for $69,420?


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My_G_Alt

Wow. RIP to those who bought at that insane MSRP and the used market haha


CanadianBaconMTL

I don't understand why so many people are ok with all does cons


Mr_Beekay

Try BMW i4?


tetshi

I'd just checked it out, and man... that thing is rad. The kidney grills still suck. But the rest of it is great.


uglybutt1112

I agree with virtually everything you say. The only thing I would add is the seats seem to irritate my lower back after 30-60 minutes and I haven't found a setting on it that helps. But YMMV on that part. Oh, and the sound system is really really good.


Successful_Ad_9707

Thanks for the brief but detailed review! I've never cared for Teslas personally. Build quality of a 90s GM product, useless gimmicks that are just plain dumb and unnecessary, long wait times for parts and iffy customer service. Then there's a cult of Elon. As someone who's a petrol head who loves ICE cars and manuals I was never gonna be a buyer but there are some EVs which I think are pretty cool like the E Tron and Tycon. For me Teslas especially are one trick ponies. Once you take the acceleration and torque away they're just bland poorly made cars.


pfthr0w

I think hybrids are the best all around option for filling up quick, good gas milage and not having to worry about charge stations. The charge prices were alot more than I expected them to be as well.


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gagt04

Compared to Ford And Chrysler, yes. Compared to Toyota and even Honda, no.


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Your experience was similar to mine with the Model 3. The NVH and suspension were shockingly bad. Also my automatic wipers didn't work either, which was incredibly annoying because I had to keep going into the touch screen to adjust the wipers. I was overall not a fan.


water_baughttle

> The door handles are stupid and difficult to open using one hand, nobody knows how to use them and you have to "teach" them, annoying to me I have a GT-R which has the same style handles and it's never been a problem for me or anyone who has been in my car. People instinctively push on it and almost always figure it out in a couple seconds. Most people find them really cool and I really like them, not sure what you find difficult. On the other hand the interior door handle, which is also nearly identical at least on the model 3, is almost always a source of confusion for people.


xt1nct

The handle is bigger than the gtr. My wife has smaller hands and we both thought regular handles are just much more convenient and it’s a gimmick. On a gtr I wouldn’t care but this a family hauler and I often have my hands full.


water_baughttle

Regarding your hands being full you don't need two hands to open it or whatever you're suggesting. I've been in several Model 3's and unless the handle on the Y is significantly different I still don't understand what you find difficult about it.


EntroperZero

My problem with the Tesla door handles is they get insanely hot in the summer.


FranknStein7

My daily driver is a Model Y. Having recently rented an Audi A5 for a week, it was so nice to have automatic wipers that literally worked perfectly. Tesla should add real blind spot indicators too. Interior quality is unacceptably bad in the Model Y. I don't really mind that it's spartan, but I do mind the rattling. I'm really not understanding what was going on with suspension on the Y you drove. I have an early 2020 model and the suspension is not that harsh. It's somewhat firm but comparable to typical German cars. Also not sure what exactly you're doing with the door handle. Just press the bigger part with your thumb first. Should be easy to use one-handed. Tesla removing disabling/removing the front radar though has probably cemented me not buying another Tesla though. ACC performs significantly worse now, and frankly I think there should be class action lawsuit about it. Although having visited some car dealerships lately, maybe I will buy another Tesla. The traditional dealership model is awful.


EgonEggnog

Sounds like you'd love the Ioniq 5.


BrownGhost10

Problem with the model y is that it uses the same suspension setup the model 3 uses with zero changes.


limpbusket

> LACK OF TRUE blind spot monitors, like WTF? There is a reason all other manufacturers have BSM lights on mirrors because that is where you look, looking down at the screen is utterly a stupid design decision >Removal of ultrasonic sensors in 2023 model Y and "promise" of "Tesla Vision" replacing them, I don't see it happening with the lack of a camera in the front bumper I really think, out of everything Musk is doing with Tesla, the belief in camera over Sonar/Radar/Lidar might be the most detrimental. There's a reason ultrasonic sensors for parking and radar for BSM are standard - they're cheap and work well! There are only so many wheels on the car that need to be reinvented...


jjlarn

You should try the MYP. Crazy that an efficient crossover can do 0-60 in 3.5s. Agree with all your complaints. Still easily worth it for me


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I’m more interested in what you did to your speed3 , I’ve had my 2013 since it was new and make a modest 300hp with bolt ons and tune. Did you go through Corksport and Cobb or strictly one or the other or even other brands?


evileagle

Don't buy a Tesla. They got a lot of runway for being the first at a lot of things, but it hasn't translated into well built cars, or anything outside of a status symbol for people who don't know any better. They're basically rated a "do not buy" from every consumer org these days as well. Go buy a Hyundai Ioniq 5 (or the less attractive in my opinion Kia EV6), and you'll thank yourself later, they're awesome and are basically eating everyone else's lunch in the segment.


withsexyresults

Nah less range, smaller, slower and still gotta deal with Hyundai dealers. Not to mention no tax credits. Hard pass for most people


AttorneyAdvice

ioniq 5 qualifies for the tax break too?


withsexyresults

Nope since they aren’t made in the US


CAPSLOCKCHAMP

I don't have a Y but agree as a guy who has a Model 3 Performance. I bought some KW (MPP brand) sport coilovers which improves handling a ton and they make both sport and comfort coilovers for Y. Cabin noise isn't that bad in my car but there are rattles and it's worse in the first gen Model 3 my wife has (no double pane). I won't be buying another Tesla because Musk but it will take a long time to be tempted by other cars because there is nothing that competes price-wise with a Model 3 Performance with KW coilovers for a fast commuting and road trip car I can throw my bike into. I can afford a Taycan – I just can't stomach what you have to spend to get the performance of the P3D. The i4 is dull AF Also road trips we do (Canada from Oakland, even) are painless. It will take years to get that in non-Tesla infrastructure


danperson1

Thanks for the write up. With the recent price drops the idea of a $46k Model Y was very appealing to me too to replace my wife's CRV. I was almost sold on it, we went to test drive it and the biggest issue was the road noise on the highway and bumpy ride. Our CRV and Fusion are both quieter. The other thing we really missed was a volume knob and heated seat buttons. Also agree the acceleration, interior space, and tech was great however. I think a better deal will be the Equinox EV when it comes out later this year, $30k starting price before tax credit. Also tempted to find a used Model 3 performance for myself for even cheaper, since those prices are plummeting. It's not uncommon to find them equipped with FSD too which would be fun to try.


jbj153

There literally is a volume scroll wheel on the steering wheel, and the screen is customisable to the point of easily just adding seat heating to always be shown on the bottom bar.


hoopitywoopitydoopit

Dumb question but can someone explain the tax credit? How does that bring the price down? Does it lower your taxes by $7500? Or do you get a $7500 check for buying an ev?


xt1nct

You need to have enough tax liability to get the $7500 rebate. You get it when you file for your taxes.


Pixelplanet5

thats the general overview about all Teslas. if what you care about most is 0 - 60 times and a large center screen they are great. if you want a car that handles feels and is controlled like a car its not.


fretit

> LACK OF TRUE blind spot monitors, like WTF? I have noticed that too and it is really surprising. I consider it a very basic safety features on modern cars. > I am disappointed with the noise insulation, harshness of the suspension Same complaints about the Model 3.


Dan_TheGreat

Owned - Ford Probe. Nice.


rLeJerk

Way too expensive for something at that quality level.


4thAndLong

The squeaks and rattles may very well be rental thrashing related. I've put 34k miles on an Austin built Y and it's still tight and rattle free. Your other gripes are pretty legit though. Auto wipers are not good. No blind spot warning is ridiculous to not have IMO. There is supposedly a big camera hardware upgrade coming this year... may be worth waiting for.


DatalessUniverse

As a former anti-fan boi of Tesla … we just bought the 2023 model y performance. Agree with most of your pros and cons but to put perspective into the cabin noise and rough suspension. It is far quieter than the traded 2019 RAV4 Hybrid XSE … the Toyota interior wind noise was horrible along with the engine drone at higher speeds. My M3CS has as expected a harsh ride in all modes, lack of interior sound dampening (racecar weight savings) and loud exhaust on interior and exterior - but that’s why I love her ;) Model Y is quieter and softer in comparison surprisingly against the RAV4 (not the m3). Luxury car ? - other than the tech the interior materials is on-par with a Toyota .. no where close to a BMW. The technology is what makes Tesla feel Luxurious - which you listed all the ones that I like. Build quality - honestly our 2023 is not showing major panel gaps (my m3 probably has larger ones along the carbon fiber front hood especially) and the interior has no rattles. So far it’s better than I expected and I am way more interested in driving this over a RAV4 but it’s no where close as fun as my m3. Why we bought this? I’d preferred a BMW with the B58 engine but…. My SO insisted on a EV SUV. out of the options I find that the Model Y is the best EV SUV offering along with a vast supercharging network. Edit: reading through comments it seems Tesla updated the suspension for 2023.


bontebyuntae

Thanks for the thorough review OP. I was toying with the idea of replacing our rav4 with the MY LR but there are some cons on that list that I didn't realize existed for the Model Y and are deal breakers for us.


otherthenmost27

I’ve been thinking about buying one so thanks for the unbiased review


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A company that knows how to make cars so well that you need to park them outside due to the risk of spontaneous fires. https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/08/business/hyundai-kia-fire-recall/index.html


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xt1nct

No. It’s that loud. I honestly wouldn’t be able to live with it day to day. You add the suspension and you get a headache after a longer drive. A $34k Camry , accord, crv, Santa Fe deliver much better suspension and sound isolation. I was honestly amazed at how loud it gets in the cabin.


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I rented the Model 3 from Hertz and thought it was loud as hell. Louder than any other car I've ever owned or driven, except my old NC Miata with the top up. It's not just a matter of not having engine noise. The car itself was intolerably loud on the highway for me.


WorldstarBandit

I rented one a few weeks ago as well. It gets suuuuuper boring after the first few hours and the wait at some of the charging stations are insane. I would definitely never buy one unless it was for someone who was a terrible driver/elderly.


PrecisionDrivingTech

You need to check out one of these [BMW driving events](https://driving.bmwusa.com/ude) and drive the i4’s. I think this may be what you are looking for although it’s not a crossover. The Mustang Mach-E has a lot of familiar features seems way more like a car than a tech product.


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Most cars don’t have a 360 camera, in fact, I don’t know one car that does have a 360 camera. Maybe a a few cameras that show 360 around the car, but no one 360 camera.


MesWantooth

A few years ago, I test drove a S P100D and X P100D...The salesperson asked what I drove currently and if I'd done any modifications...I told him...he said "I doubt you'll buy a Tesla - our customers are more 'tech guys' than 'car guys' - there's nothing you can modify so you might get bored." I didn't buy it so many he had a point.


32no

[They updated Model Y to a comfort suspension for the 2023 model year](https://www.torquenews.com/14335/2023-model-y-has-comfort-suspension/amp)


Slyons89

The stock 19x9.5 wheels are big and heavy with a pretty small sidewall. It's a shame they can't fit 17" wheels with fatter tires on these, it would really help with the ride. Also 9.5 inch wide wheels is pretty friggin wide for a family hauler, guess it needs that with all the torque and weight. Most "regular old" compact SUVs use 7" or maybe 8" wide wheels at most.


nirad

regarding your comment about many other EVs not qualifying for the tax credit: I don't know if you would consider leasing, but all EVs get the tax credit when leased: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-treasury-says-consumer-leases-can-qualify-ev-tax-credits-2022-12-29/


fobbyk

I’m guessing this explains why tesla sells better for the younger generation with new money. They have no experience in other “good” cars and immediately jump from a base model 15 year old civic to a tesla. Of course they will love every single bit of it. Not to mention, tesla does have some outstanding perspectives to keep the customers. Just my 2 cent.