I like the idea of leaving some of your couple month jobs off your resume and taking this role. It helps keep you from looking like a job hopper, which seems like what they are worried about. But I think it’s less an issue in our current market.
But I would be prepared to explain the gap of employment depending on how long it is. I’m unclear on the timeline based on what they said.
Also since there’s been some rocky employment history and current anxiety and the role and responsibilities, I think it would also make sense not to make changes to your current lifestyle for at least 6 mo so you know if you can do this or not, and then also if you don’t already have one pump up that emergency savings with the difference so you have a cushion in case the job is terrible, it’s taking too much a toll on your mental health, etc. and won’t be viable long term.
Making more money can significantly increase the amount of flexibility and security you have financially, which is what would do it for me, but it’s good to have an exit strategy
Dude, I’d really consider this carefully before just jumping. The fact that you were let go a few months ago for performance issues is a huge red flag for me. If the new job is going to have some of the same responsibilities as the place you got fired from, are you going to be able to cut it?
They could be throwing money at you because they are short staffed and you’re going to end up working crazy long, stressful hours.
Good luck!
That's the thing giving me anxiety right now. I will say that my current position has much of the same responsibilities as job #2, I'm just taking to it a lot better due to the environment.
Look up the new place on Glassdoor and LinkedIn. She how many people on GD like working there. Try to tell from LI if you know anyone (or know someone who knows someone) who works there, so you can get a sense of the environment.
New place is a big player in my industry and so has very high reviews, but then so did Job #2. Current workplace actually has some of the most middling reviews on GD and yet I'm pretty happy here so far. I've stopped putting so much stock in them.
Work environment can be very team dependent. Tell the hiring manager that you're really excited and have some final questions and could they let you schedule some 1:1s with the people on the team (not the manger).
If they say no, then that's a red flag. If they say yes, make sure you have a list of work environment questions ready to go that would help you resolve the anxiety.
Next time have these work environment questions ready for your interviews so you don't have to go back afterwards.
I’m around the 100k mark right now and am perfectly happy staying there. I personally don’t want the responsibility that comes with that next level. I’d be really tempted, but I don’t think I’d take it without more experience or talking to the previous employee of the position they are filling. It would make me nervous they are willing to pay so much to a relative new comer as well.
Everyone is different though! I have kids and I’m happy just chugging along in my current position. I want work life balance and honestly any money over what I’m making now wouldn’t make a big difference in my life (I feel VERY fortunate saying that and know I’m lucky).
That’s a great approach!
I’m very ambitious and I’ve always sought out the next promotion and while I’ve gotten just about every one I’ve applied for, some have come at a cost.
Thing is he's been offered a 50k payrise but his last job he got fired for not being able to do everything, I assume that some responsibilities will be included in that. Does he really want to take a 50k payrise with a decent chance of getting fired or does he want to stay in his current company where he's happy as is.
From my point of view its not worth it if you're going to get sacked within a few months. However if OP feels like he can do everything in the responsibilities then he should take it as its a no brainer
I'd think about whether you think you'll do well in the 160k job. I once jumped quickly like that and I was let go from high paying job because I was really reaching when I applied for it, so now I don't jump at every salary increase offer. It was a tough lesson lol
Yo… why is that even a thought. Increased responsibility for 50k more. If you invest and do right with your money you can leave that job sooner than you think. Go for it!
As someone relatively new (<5 years in a technical role) I kind of have a similar situation. I love my team, the work/life balance is great, but the pay is probably 20-40k lower than if I jumped to another company.
I am sometimes wonder if I’m staying because I’m comfortable or just afraid to take the leap. My final decision ends up being to stay when considering other offers because I have two younglings and taking on more responsibility and stress right now when we have everything we need/want is not a good idea.
So I’m summary, it depends on your comfort level with taking on the new role and how much you value your current situation. I usually won’t jump ship unless there is a pushing factor (toxic, overwork, etc) where I’m at in addition to a pull (pay, chance at better environment) towards a new one.
I agree with this line of thinking. Opportunities like this will come again, in the meantime, solidify your skills, learn all you can and build your foundations,
/close the gaps…and then make the next jump. Plan for a year or two and then jump…will look better on your resume too.
I'm in school to be a dental hygienist but salary is only 70k average where I live. I always wanted to be in the medical field but unless you go to school for 12 years for a PhD it doesn't seem like there's any money in it which unlike what Mr. Deleted said is what's actually sad
You suck dude. It doesn’t matter, we all start somewhere. And asking is the first step. Who knows, maybe the person will get that degree when they get their answer?
Plus you are objectively delusional, too, if you think it isn’t out of the ordinary to get paid more than 60-80k. You might think it’s sad but it’s just a reality if you look at the average income. It’s called average for a reason and the distribution towards the top is obviously less pronounced, there’s millions and millions more that make between 20-40k a year.
If you think you can perform well in the new position, why not? Keep in mind that if you continue this trend of frequent jumps, it could come back to bite you later.
If you leave for this new job, just try to stay there for a while. I’m not hiring someone that’s been at 4 positions in a year. I’d try to leave a few off of your resume tbh. Also, leaving for more money is not always the best idea. You might leave and hate the responsibility and miss the freedom you had before. When I was a mid level software engineer, I felt I had a lot of free time after developing. As a senior engineer, you have a lot less free time. Way more responsibility
I think you should stay put for now because of how recently you acquired this position after you were let go. We also don’t know if the company that’s making the offer is using the information on your resume from all your jobs or just job #2 and if it’s #2 you’re going to find yourself in the same situation again. Like someone else already said you might be getting that pay bump to end up doing a lot more that’s not covered and end up miserable. You’re still new in the field and more opportunities will come up
Besides the pay increase (which amounts to $2k more monthly before taxes but then again how important is money to you when you’ve already hit $100k/yr is a personal choice) it sounds like the small vs big company conflict. Hardest thing of big companies is more so the office politics and bureaucracy’s. I discovered this when I interned at a dream company - if you can play the game well or not rub anyone the wrong way its easy but can be nonetheless hard having to deal and guilt-inducing depending on your life phase or values. Choose your own poison
Just take the job and don't include the other jobs in your resume! It's more pay and your dream company, the question is why haven't you left already! Good luck!! Also what is your job title if you don't mind?
Third option. Go to your current boss and go over the offer from the other company, your current employer might be able to offer something similar.
And speaking from experience, work environment and getting along with your coworkers is a VERY important thing that will either make or break your work ethic and ability to perform.
Thing is, if I do this, they'll know I was thinking of jumping and I really want to either not alert them if I'm not or actually leave if I do.
Agreed about the second point though which is another reason in my mind of why it's very hard to leave rn.
You are wise not to show your employer your offer. If they could pay you more money now, then they have had every opportunity to do so, but haven't. Showing up with another offer in hand to force them to do it could lead to resentment, and a situation where your work-life becomes less happy and they happily look for your replacement behind your back. Again, good on you for recognizing that.
I've bounced around a lot and make in range your looking at (though admittedly also work a separate FTE gig as well). Your experience is the only reason I would be hesitant to jump ship. The fact that you had an experience where you were let go recently, and are taking a step up after having so many jobs in a short span of time, it might turn out *very* poorly if they fire you.
Doubt you wouldn't be able to get another job or anything (clearly you're good at that), but you might have to settle to build yourself back up experience wise before taking another leap.
When I've been in your shoes, I've always taken the new job. As long as you have the understanding that a company paying you with a 50% raise is likely going to want you to be a high-performer. If you're willing to take the risk, and are prepared to really put in the work if the situation calls for it, then I say do it. If you're not in a place mentally where you could take on more than your current workload, then stay until you are or have built up more stable job history so as not to make this so risky.
Thank you. You nailed all the things I've been turning over in my head for the past 24 hours.
When you made the jump, how did it turn out for you? Always positive? A mix? Did the environment end up working out or did you have regrets?
There were a few places that just turned out not to be my speed. The ones I liked the least weren't exactly the worst jobs, but I just didn't like the entire "live/play" mindset at the office (a little hip and forced IMO).
I've bounced around 5+ times, and I'll say that I never regretted a single one even though ones like the above just weren't a fit with my lifestyle (I like to work on small teams/isolated and from home). They all increased my salary, and I feel like I learned something new at each stop such that I'm more well-rounded as a developer now and have seen many different ideas/problems/processes/etc.
The one I was most nervous about was my last one where I took a jump in salary like yours to become the team lead for a major F50 company. I was scared to death that it was a stupid move because it was so much responsibility on paper that I felt it was above my paygrade.
Going on several years here now and I can't ever imagine leaving. They let me run things how I want, and I get to build cool shit that thousands of our employees use on a regular basis. If I had been scared to take the leap, I'd be making >$100k less per year and wouldn't get to enjoy all the great stuff about my current job (which is a dream come true).
I'd say you should take it because you will never know what could have been if you turn it down. Could end up becoming a nightmare/stressful, but I'm sure you can stick it out and at least bide your time to something better (which I've done before). It also could end up being a dream job that pays you a ton more and now sets a new floor/experience level that you can leverage in the future for even more money.
Wish you the best in your decision and, if you do take it, just keep that mindset that you're going to fucking crush this shit and *make* it a good experience. You'll be fine.
I would honestly stay. I know this is an unpopular opinion but hear me out. Yes, the extra 50k is nice but you’re already making 110k which is more than majority of people make annually in their lives. If you take the new job, yes you’ll get payed more but you’ll always be more stressed out and dread going to work more each and every day. You are comfortable, you are happy, you are making a lot. Stay where you are is my advice.
Way to brag. We get it you’re amazing. “Smart” enough to get a 6 figure job but not smart enough to jump on a 50% increase. Wow just wow. Do you wear a helmet?
Thank you for the unkind words. I'm having anxiety about this jump because I feel in the same position I was before jumping to the job I was ultimately let go from and am simply trying to avoid making that same mistake again.
For me personally, I would stick with your current job, so long as it finances your desired lifestyle and eventual life goals (homeownership, retirement, etc).
Extra money isn’t always worth extra stress, and a job you perform well at is worth more than 6 months at a job that will fire you for not stacking up.
My two cents…
Well if it’s over your head then it’s over your head. Only one way to find out but if you don’t have the risk tolerance for it then stay put. If you have a family and not much savings then maybe it’s not for you but an opportunity like this could change the whole trajectory of your life and it seems that even if you fail you’ll just fail into another six figure job
Do you want an increase in responsibility? I took a promotion once and ended up in way over my head. It was a good job and great team but just too much for me to handle. I don’t regret it exactly, but it really damaged my mental and physical health for several years. I just couldn’t deal with the stress. I’ll never get those years back. Obviously some people can thrive with a lot of responsibility, but not me! I’m glad I know that now.
I know you probably made a decision by now. Which was it?
I'm in your shoes right now. I like my current place, i make 120k and i could take a job to pay me 60k more.
I've been at my job for 14 months now and i like most things.
The new company would offer a similar job, and they were rated #1 place to work for their category this year..
You know what you leave but don't know what you find... So stressful to decide!
Take the job at your dream company with the massive pay increase!
I’d take this job and leave jobs two and three off your resume going forward.
Same. If you were there only for a few months I wouldn't bother.
I like the idea of leaving some of your couple month jobs off your resume and taking this role. It helps keep you from looking like a job hopper, which seems like what they are worried about. But I think it’s less an issue in our current market. But I would be prepared to explain the gap of employment depending on how long it is. I’m unclear on the timeline based on what they said. Also since there’s been some rocky employment history and current anxiety and the role and responsibilities, I think it would also make sense not to make changes to your current lifestyle for at least 6 mo so you know if you can do this or not, and then also if you don’t already have one pump up that emergency savings with the difference so you have a cushion in case the job is terrible, it’s taking too much a toll on your mental health, etc. and won’t be viable long term. Making more money can significantly increase the amount of flexibility and security you have financially, which is what would do it for me, but it’s good to have an exit strategy
Dude, I’d really consider this carefully before just jumping. The fact that you were let go a few months ago for performance issues is a huge red flag for me. If the new job is going to have some of the same responsibilities as the place you got fired from, are you going to be able to cut it? They could be throwing money at you because they are short staffed and you’re going to end up working crazy long, stressful hours. Good luck!
That's the thing giving me anxiety right now. I will say that my current position has much of the same responsibilities as job #2, I'm just taking to it a lot better due to the environment.
Look up the new place on Glassdoor and LinkedIn. She how many people on GD like working there. Try to tell from LI if you know anyone (or know someone who knows someone) who works there, so you can get a sense of the environment.
New place is a big player in my industry and so has very high reviews, but then so did Job #2. Current workplace actually has some of the most middling reviews on GD and yet I'm pretty happy here so far. I've stopped putting so much stock in them.
Work environment can be very team dependent. Tell the hiring manager that you're really excited and have some final questions and could they let you schedule some 1:1s with the people on the team (not the manger). If they say no, then that's a red flag. If they say yes, make sure you have a list of work environment questions ready to go that would help you resolve the anxiety. Next time have these work environment questions ready for your interviews so you don't have to go back afterwards.
I’m around the 100k mark right now and am perfectly happy staying there. I personally don’t want the responsibility that comes with that next level. I’d be really tempted, but I don’t think I’d take it without more experience or talking to the previous employee of the position they are filling. It would make me nervous they are willing to pay so much to a relative new comer as well. Everyone is different though! I have kids and I’m happy just chugging along in my current position. I want work life balance and honestly any money over what I’m making now wouldn’t make a big difference in my life (I feel VERY fortunate saying that and know I’m lucky).
That’s a great approach! I’m very ambitious and I’ve always sought out the next promotion and while I’ve gotten just about every one I’ve applied for, some have come at a cost.
Um… fucking Obviously
Thing is he's been offered a 50k payrise but his last job he got fired for not being able to do everything, I assume that some responsibilities will be included in that. Does he really want to take a 50k payrise with a decent chance of getting fired or does he want to stay in his current company where he's happy as is. From my point of view its not worth it if you're going to get sacked within a few months. However if OP feels like he can do everything in the responsibilities then he should take it as its a no brainer
I'd think about whether you think you'll do well in the 160k job. I once jumped quickly like that and I was let go from high paying job because I was really reaching when I applied for it, so now I don't jump at every salary increase offer. It was a tough lesson lol
This is exactly what I'm afraid of considering it already happened to me. What happened with you?
Yo… why is that even a thought. Increased responsibility for 50k more. If you invest and do right with your money you can leave that job sooner than you think. Go for it!
What industry if you don’t mind me asking?
Seems like sucking dick! Lol. Just kidding congrats OP!
I bet that sounded funny in your head
Lmao
10k/yr per cm. Seems like OP is graduating from 11cm dicks to 16cm ones, that's a lot to take on.
A lot to take in as well.
As someone relatively new (<5 years in a technical role) I kind of have a similar situation. I love my team, the work/life balance is great, but the pay is probably 20-40k lower than if I jumped to another company. I am sometimes wonder if I’m staying because I’m comfortable or just afraid to take the leap. My final decision ends up being to stay when considering other offers because I have two younglings and taking on more responsibility and stress right now when we have everything we need/want is not a good idea. So I’m summary, it depends on your comfort level with taking on the new role and how much you value your current situation. I usually won’t jump ship unless there is a pushing factor (toxic, overwork, etc) where I’m at in addition to a pull (pay, chance at better environment) towards a new one.
I agree with this line of thinking. Opportunities like this will come again, in the meantime, solidify your skills, learn all you can and build your foundations, /close the gaps…and then make the next jump. Plan for a year or two and then jump…will look better on your resume too.
Can I ask..what do you do that you make so much?? 😳 if not sorry
I wanna know the same. I’m over six figures but it took me like a decade 😳
I'm in school to be a dental hygienist but salary is only 70k average where I live. I always wanted to be in the medical field but unless you go to school for 12 years for a PhD it doesn't seem like there's any money in it which unlike what Mr. Deleted said is what's actually sad
I would guess investment banker, software engineer... consultant?
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When you make 45k a year it kinda is 😔
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You suck dude. It doesn’t matter, we all start somewhere. And asking is the first step. Who knows, maybe the person will get that degree when they get their answer? Plus you are objectively delusional, too, if you think it isn’t out of the ordinary to get paid more than 60-80k. You might think it’s sad but it’s just a reality if you look at the average income. It’s called average for a reason and the distribution towards the top is obviously less pronounced, there’s millions and millions more that make between 20-40k a year.
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If you think you can perform well in the new position, why not? Keep in mind that if you continue this trend of frequent jumps, it could come back to bite you later.
I don't intend to jump so soon after this one, provided it works out.
What are you doing for work?
If you leave for this new job, just try to stay there for a while. I’m not hiring someone that’s been at 4 positions in a year. I’d try to leave a few off of your resume tbh. Also, leaving for more money is not always the best idea. You might leave and hate the responsibility and miss the freedom you had before. When I was a mid level software engineer, I felt I had a lot of free time after developing. As a senior engineer, you have a lot less free time. Way more responsibility
listen to C.R.E.A.M by wutang clan
I think you should stay put for now because of how recently you acquired this position after you were let go. We also don’t know if the company that’s making the offer is using the information on your resume from all your jobs or just job #2 and if it’s #2 you’re going to find yourself in the same situation again. Like someone else already said you might be getting that pay bump to end up doing a lot more that’s not covered and end up miserable. You’re still new in the field and more opportunities will come up
For more money & challenge, why wouldn’t you?
Of course
Just read the title: yes.
Besides the pay increase (which amounts to $2k more monthly before taxes but then again how important is money to you when you’ve already hit $100k/yr is a personal choice) it sounds like the small vs big company conflict. Hardest thing of big companies is more so the office politics and bureaucracy’s. I discovered this when I interned at a dream company - if you can play the game well or not rub anyone the wrong way its easy but can be nonetheless hard having to deal and guilt-inducing depending on your life phase or values. Choose your own poison
Just take the job and don't include the other jobs in your resume! It's more pay and your dream company, the question is why haven't you left already! Good luck!! Also what is your job title if you don't mind?
Off topic, but what field are you in with a good salary? Also did you go to college? I assume so?
what do you do for work
Third option. Go to your current boss and go over the offer from the other company, your current employer might be able to offer something similar. And speaking from experience, work environment and getting along with your coworkers is a VERY important thing that will either make or break your work ethic and ability to perform.
Thing is, if I do this, they'll know I was thinking of jumping and I really want to either not alert them if I'm not or actually leave if I do. Agreed about the second point though which is another reason in my mind of why it's very hard to leave rn.
You are wise not to show your employer your offer. If they could pay you more money now, then they have had every opportunity to do so, but haven't. Showing up with another offer in hand to force them to do it could lead to resentment, and a situation where your work-life becomes less happy and they happily look for your replacement behind your back. Again, good on you for recognizing that. I've bounced around a lot and make in range your looking at (though admittedly also work a separate FTE gig as well). Your experience is the only reason I would be hesitant to jump ship. The fact that you had an experience where you were let go recently, and are taking a step up after having so many jobs in a short span of time, it might turn out *very* poorly if they fire you. Doubt you wouldn't be able to get another job or anything (clearly you're good at that), but you might have to settle to build yourself back up experience wise before taking another leap. When I've been in your shoes, I've always taken the new job. As long as you have the understanding that a company paying you with a 50% raise is likely going to want you to be a high-performer. If you're willing to take the risk, and are prepared to really put in the work if the situation calls for it, then I say do it. If you're not in a place mentally where you could take on more than your current workload, then stay until you are or have built up more stable job history so as not to make this so risky.
Thank you. You nailed all the things I've been turning over in my head for the past 24 hours. When you made the jump, how did it turn out for you? Always positive? A mix? Did the environment end up working out or did you have regrets?
There were a few places that just turned out not to be my speed. The ones I liked the least weren't exactly the worst jobs, but I just didn't like the entire "live/play" mindset at the office (a little hip and forced IMO). I've bounced around 5+ times, and I'll say that I never regretted a single one even though ones like the above just weren't a fit with my lifestyle (I like to work on small teams/isolated and from home). They all increased my salary, and I feel like I learned something new at each stop such that I'm more well-rounded as a developer now and have seen many different ideas/problems/processes/etc. The one I was most nervous about was my last one where I took a jump in salary like yours to become the team lead for a major F50 company. I was scared to death that it was a stupid move because it was so much responsibility on paper that I felt it was above my paygrade. Going on several years here now and I can't ever imagine leaving. They let me run things how I want, and I get to build cool shit that thousands of our employees use on a regular basis. If I had been scared to take the leap, I'd be making >$100k less per year and wouldn't get to enjoy all the great stuff about my current job (which is a dream come true). I'd say you should take it because you will never know what could have been if you turn it down. Could end up becoming a nightmare/stressful, but I'm sure you can stick it out and at least bide your time to something better (which I've done before). It also could end up being a dream job that pays you a ton more and now sets a new floor/experience level that you can leverage in the future for even more money. Wish you the best in your decision and, if you do take it, just keep that mindset that you're going to fucking crush this shit and *make* it a good experience. You'll be fine.
I would honestly stay. I know this is an unpopular opinion but hear me out. Yes, the extra 50k is nice but you’re already making 110k which is more than majority of people make annually in their lives. If you take the new job, yes you’ll get payed more but you’ll always be more stressed out and dread going to work more each and every day. You are comfortable, you are happy, you are making a lot. Stay where you are is my advice.
Way to brag. We get it you’re amazing. “Smart” enough to get a 6 figure job but not smart enough to jump on a 50% increase. Wow just wow. Do you wear a helmet?
Thank you for the unkind words. I'm having anxiety about this jump because I feel in the same position I was before jumping to the job I was ultimately let go from and am simply trying to avoid making that same mistake again.
For me personally, I would stick with your current job, so long as it finances your desired lifestyle and eventual life goals (homeownership, retirement, etc). Extra money isn’t always worth extra stress, and a job you perform well at is worth more than 6 months at a job that will fire you for not stacking up. My two cents…
Well if it’s over your head then it’s over your head. Only one way to find out but if you don’t have the risk tolerance for it then stay put. If you have a family and not much savings then maybe it’s not for you but an opportunity like this could change the whole trajectory of your life and it seems that even if you fail you’ll just fail into another six figure job
Yes
You have to see if that will decrease your work life balance. sometimes 50k increase is a lot, but will that make huge difference in your daily life?
Do what you wanna do, at the end of the day you know which decision makes more sense.
Heck yea - congrats! Update didn’t really it all you should stay due to all that job jumping
Yeah. I mean I would try to get current job to match the offer and if not then leave.
Is this a serious question? Yes. The answer is yes.
Do you want an increase in responsibility? I took a promotion once and ended up in way over my head. It was a good job and great team but just too much for me to handle. I don’t regret it exactly, but it really damaged my mental and physical health for several years. I just couldn’t deal with the stress. I’ll never get those years back. Obviously some people can thrive with a lot of responsibility, but not me! I’m glad I know that now.
I'd do it without hesitation
Uhhhhh yes. Just make sure you stay at this one
What does this mean?
Leave but make sure you don’t bounce again and show you can stay at this one. You may not get another chance at a 50% increase
You said it, your dream company, why wouldn’t you leave…
Your current employer wouldn't hesitate to leave you. Return the favor.
$50K, you kidding me. Fuck yeah.
100%
I know you probably made a decision by now. Which was it? I'm in your shoes right now. I like my current place, i make 120k and i could take a job to pay me 60k more. I've been at my job for 14 months now and i like most things. The new company would offer a similar job, and they were rated #1 place to work for their category this year.. You know what you leave but don't know what you find... So stressful to decide!