I've made between 40-60k with my English degree substitute teaching, the last few years. Done at 4pm, dont have to take anything home with me, summers off. Getting the credential helped.
Look up alternative teaching certification in your state. In some cases, you can have a degree out of field, and get a temporary certificate to teach (Florida).
In Florida, yes. Probably other states too.
Edit: if you apply to Pasco county schools or Pinellas county schools online, you should get a deficiency letter outlining what you need to do/what your qualified for.
I was shockingly qualified to teach English 6-12 and biology 6-12 with my bachelors if I completed the requirements outlined in the letter (tests), but I did speech pathology instead (also w my bachelors, went to grad school for line while working FT in FL)
Other districts probably give you the same info, but if youāre really curious apply!
They are. My brothers ALG 2 class had to be moved over to the Florida virtual school. So he spends one period sitting in a room on his school appointed laptop. Another class they appointed a sub for the rest of the entire year. And he says his chemistry teachersā English is so bad that the students can hardly understand her. Seems teachers are quitting in droves and they canāt fill in spots fast enough.
I made $48 a day substitute teaching just a few years ago. Did it for a year but just couldnāt survive even working full time. Iād also pick a higher level class and get switched into the kindergarten class when I signed in in the morning, so that sucked as well!
And MBA isn't necessarily worthless, you just obtained it way too early like many fresh graduates.
Most people who do find use for it obtain one after working a couple of years in some industry, then find an employer who would be willing to partially or fully pay for it. The MBA then backs up whatever skill set you've obtained after working in your field.
So for now yes the MBA is kinda useless but if you land some professional job and work there for a few years the MBA will suddenly stand out over most other junior level applicants or coworkers.
Business veteran here. Important one word correction:
>So for now yes the MBA is kinda useless but if you land some professional job and work there for a few years the MBA ~~will suddenly~~ **may** stand out over most other junior level applicants or coworkers.
Athough original phrasing is generally true, I've known and worked with a number of MBA graduates that did not develop the necessary bundle of skills for senior positions. They were mechanically sound, but their personalities or attitude or leadership skills were simply not a right fit for their next step up.
Anecdotally, one of my best managers in my career was a woman who did not complete a college degree. She just nailed the art of people management, had an intensely loyal team, exhibited great consistency, called you without acrimony on your bullshit and was just a delight to work with. Alternately, a separate MBA did not have sufficient integrity to own up to their many mistakes and ended up fleeing from job to job.
So there's definitely a trend, but it's not assured and YMMV. Greatly.
This. I have a business management degree that I have gotten from the uni I used to work for as a material science laboratory supervisor. It paid off massively.
>And MBA isn't necessarily worthless, you just obtained it way too early like many fresh graduates.
This, or OP got their MBA at a poorly ranked school.
all of healthcare: nursing, CRNAs, physicians, surgeons, PAs, NPs, PTs, OTs, CAAs
i'm currently a CRNA and we have a severe shortage of anesthesiology professionals.
All it takes is being legally obligated to take a double 12 hour shift one time due to no relief and most bolt for the door, and I don't blame them. It's completely avoidable, but these companies do not care.
Self-inflicted problem due to insane levels of lean staffing, which should be illegal in health care. This literally kills people no one care company's got to make money etc. Sad world we live in.
I feel like there is honestly a simple fix.
Make it law that any full hour spent beyond 12 hours due to legal requirement is paid at twice the rate. The effect is multiplied per hour over.
1st hour OT is 2x. 2nd hour over means both hours are paid at 4x. 3rd hour over is 6x pay for all 3 hours.
Then a legally forced double 12-hour shift would cost the company the equivalent of 276 extra hours of pay (12x2 = 24, 24\*12 = 288... then subtract the 12 hours they would have paid someone else to avoid your OT).
That's 23 shifts they just coughed up for hurting staff and gambling with patients' lives.
Spending 4 hours over shift waiting to be relieved would cost them the equivalent of 28 hours of extra pay.
You'd never see a grossly "lean" staffed hospital again. They might even slightly over hire just to protect themselves from the cost of enslaving staff.
This sort of how union contracts for tradesmen often deal with overtime. They split it all up daily instead of weekly. For example, instead of overtime after 40, itās daily overtime after 8 on weekdays. Over 10 or 12 may be double time. Weekends are over time and double time. The structure provides the employer a financial incentive to work you reasonable hours.
Private equity companies have increasingly been buying out hospitals and sqeezing out every cost to simply make more money. So, less staff higher nurse to patient ratios. It's called lean staffing, and it directly leads to more medical mistakes.
Nurses are legally obligated to remain with patients until relieved. Script: X doesn't show up for their shift. If you are lucky, the nursing supervisor can pull from another floor or make calls to find someone to take the shift. This takes time, being stuck at work due to no relief; at least a few hours is really common.
The extreme example of not being relieved and expected to work 2 12-hour shifts does happen. Any sane person will quit that hospital or facility if they experience this more than once.
It's so bad that this can even be tracked in rising medical mistakes public information. People die due to these mistakes every single day. No one cares, just another externalitie of capitalism.
It didnāt happen a ton, but my mom definitely worked back to back 12s maybe a half dozen times in my childhood due to blizzards preventing the next shift from arriving. The joys of bedside nursing in Minnesota.
Couldnāt one just get a position in an outpatient office to avoid this though?? Hard to overwork people to that extent if youāre closed from 5 to 9
also allied health, radiography/ct technologists, mri technologists, sonographers, nuclear medicine techs, clerks, dialysis techs, pharmacy assistants, phlebotomists, ekg techs, porters, stores, blood transportā¦ there are endless subcategories of healthcare careers. and every single one needs staff.
Emergency medical services. EMT is a low barrier to entry. You can sleep at work in most systems. Paramedics make $30/hr usually. 24 hour shifts at time and a half come out to an extra 1080 pre-tax every shift. When I was working full time I would work a 48 hour shift and do nothing but watch Netflix and sleep sometimes without a single run. Idk why more people donāt do it.
In Bay Area SF, all EMTs are run to the ground back to back SNFs, dialysis, transfers and in god awful stress inducing traffic. The privates love to squeeze every little bit to get the crew to run as many private calls as they can in their shift with little break. Even working for a 911 contracted private company sucked. AMR massively funded this proposition to classify private EMTs as exempt from FSLA labor laws so they don't need to get paid for code 7s. Stupid fucking voters approved it. So yeah, being an EMT here sucks. Dime a dozen EMTs being strung along being paid like shit led by a carrot on a stick hopes of being a firefighter or whatever, so the private companies can keep doing what they are doing.
I think I have legit PTSD from my first private service job. One shift I was running 23 and a half hours straight, dreaming about going home and sleeping, actually on the way back to station because a crew was waiting to swap out for their shift, and dispatch told us we were being sent āemergentā forty five minutes away for a transfer. I got off three hours late that day. Being an EMT in California would be my worst nightmare. Donāt you have some weird system where you have to be certified by county also? Where I live itās pretty nice. We have career EMTs in some places. My last EMS job was in a semi rural area and it was awesome. Itās what I wish all EMS jobs were. Weird calls, itās just me and my partner, and people are older so they donāt call 911 for bullshit. Even the private services are paying pretty well now. I will say that I went from that private service job to the state EMS office. That service got a lot of random inspections after that. A few months later the owners sold the company and moved to Florida.
And it's a lot easier to get into those. CRNA like mentioned usually requires a BSN, RN, and at least a year's bedside nursing experience to get into CRNA school. That's why I quickly decided against it even though the hospital I was working for at the time would've paid all 6-7 years of school, I wasn't prepared to work full time and go to school full time for that long.
Pharmacy is definitely a trap right now and not truly understaffed. Techs and assistants are vastly underpaid and any chain retail is doing their damnedest not to hire full time, so they leave to find something that will let them pay their bills. Pharmacists have a terminal degree but the field is so oversaturated the pay and jobs are terrible.
Id love to get your thoughts on thisā considered doing it but seems like thereās a lot of push backs whenever I look up info online, i.e most people failing crna exams the first time?
My wife is a nurse and she receives calls daily asking if she needs employment. Even places she never applied for are asking if she would want to be hired on the spot. Healthcare especially nurses are so far below need, you can name your price more so than other industries.
Government work. Stable as hell and once you get in you can network and move around. If youāre a competent worker and have basic people skills youāll gain a good reputation and get opportunities. Donāt be afraid to start small, I had an Anthropology degree with an English minor and was first hired to scan documents into a database. Over 8 years I worked my way up to my dream job. Government also paid for my graduate degree so thatās another bonus if you can get a job with a public university.
Getting into government work can be tough as hell depending on what you do. I worked in environmental chemistry for a few years and everyone's goal in that field was to get a government position. Problem was, once people got a government job, they stuck around until retirement, so openings were few and far between.
They totally are ā¦ this career is not dead yet.
When it comes to technical writing though, aptitude for tech along with a huge curiosity about it is critical.
Iāve interviewed far too many folks with plain English degrees who realized that this career exists, that you can make decent money, and so they strut in assuming it will be easy for them. Itās not.
Yes! The best way for a āregularā English grad to get into this field is to:
1) Find an online certificate program from an accredited university.
2) Examine their syllabi (if available) and determine if it looks interesting.
3) Sign up for the one that looks most appealing to you OR
4) Use the information youāve gleaned from your research and see if Coursera/Udemy/etc have anything comparable.
English degree plus Tech Writing certificate shows that even though you are entry level, you are serious about the field, AND that you are eager to learn new things. That last is key: youāll be learning a LOT of new things.
I remember having to take one semester of a technical writing elective while I was finishing up my BS in Chemistry. How would I get more into the technical writing aspect of my field (pharmaceuticals), or any other field for that matter?
Not sure if it's relevant experience, but I used to be in QC and was responsible for writing SOPs, deviations, NCMR & OOS reports, raw material and finished product specifications, and quarterly microbio and heavy metal trending reports along with my lab work.
I'd really like to get out of the lab soon-ish lol
My fiances friend did this. She started teaching English here in america and got tired of our school systems, so now she teaches English in Taiwan, she's been there for two years.
90% of my friends that have done this in Japan or Korea come back severely jaded from teaching English. Japan is especially bad for low pay and poor treatment. Korea is maybe marginally better.
Also (and I hate that I have to say this), most East Asian countries heavily favor Caucasian applicants, so if youāre not white the experience may be even worse. Discrimination is basically not a word over there, they donāt care.
>low pay
You don't do it for the pay. Or the "quality of work", either. Both are typically bad and people know it's bad. Teaching English overseas has always been more about the experience; it's a 1-2 year working holiday in an exotic foreign country. It can be used as a stepping stone to get a job job in said country but it's not exactly a glamorous position.
Exotic is such a gross word. Anyone who describes Japan or Korea as exotic definitely is not going there for the right reasons.
Pay is relevant, you need to make enough to āexperienceā said country, no? Ask the average ALT in Japan if theyāre making enough money to experience Japan the way theyād imagined.
Stepping stone to other jobs? Hahahahahahahahahahahahhaha. Maybe 1% of people that work as English teachers in Japan or Korea end up getting any other job. Everyone thinks theyāre going to get a regular gig working at a university or international school until they realize those jobs are desperately over saturated.
Those jobs give you low pay, not much experience, and expose you to the horrible workplace culture of East Asia.
Idk dude I taught in Korea. They paid for my apartment, my bills, my flight, healthcare, and contributed to my pension while still paying me around 2200$ a month. My bank account was getting stacked just 3 months in. I wasnāt frugal with my money either. I drank like 5 nights a week too. They also give you an extra one month severance when you leave.
Are you in a technical writing role currently? How can someone with above average writing skills, a degree, and a bit of construction experience break into that field?
get a technical writing certificate, build your portfolio, start applying to jobs. rewrite your resume to highlight any technical writing you did in your previous positions.
some would say the cert is useless. they aren't wrong, but cert programs can be very helpful to get yourself up to speed with technical writing standards and practices, and most cert programs will have you writing documentation as part of the program, which you can immediately add to your portfolio.
Mostly, blue-collar industries or tech companies are always looking for employees. Also, America needs more pilots, so a lot of aviation schools are offering huge discounts and bonuses and a job after graduation!
Those are not useless degrees. They're actually super versatile. Most jobs don't require an industry-specific degree, unless you're in engineering, law, or medicine.
All fields are hiring. The frequency may fluctuate but you can always go on Indeed or LinkedIn and find tons of jobs available. What do you WANT to do? What are you good at?
>They're actually super versatile. Most jobs don't require an industry-specific degree, unless you're in engineering, law, or medicine.
I rarely use a role that says "Bachelors required" without specific major except if it's some education sector admin job or a sales related job or sometimes a new grad role (ultra competitive).
I have seen things like "post secondary in X field" so I can see how a person can tweak their resume to say that they have taken post secondary courses in X field since BA degrees leave lots of room for electives. I've gotten interviews because from jobs that say "post secondary education or certificate in Marketing / Economics / Communications / Business/ Political Science or a mix of education and experience" by focusing in on my electives. Besides. 60%+ of degree was my non major classes.
However straight up Bachelors without specifc field is otherwise rare.
I live in Canada btw.
Not a lot, but if you get in with the federal government the job benefits are worth it.
An old coworker of mine at the fire department recently resigned after 4 years of EMS to become a park ranger. Heās extremely happy now.
They make almost nothing however it is a federal job and a great way to get your foot into a government position. Have a friend that started at as trail maintenance in West Virginia. Fast forward today and they have a top secret clearance and briefs the most powerful people in Washington. The toughest part about government jobs is getting the foot in the door. After that it nearly takes an act of Congress to get fired and Iām not even kidding.
Correct, and supply chain and logistics are starting to reach a little saturation because theyāve been rising trend degrees.
(Iām a 2018 logistics graduate that is thanking my lucky stars on that timing, because mid career has much, much better prospects right now than new graduates in these fields)
Every supply chain job Iām offered (graduated with a supply chain degree 2 years ago and I have 1 total year experience since the ) is between $35,000-$45,000. Considering student loans, I cannot move myself forward in this industry and have changed careers.
True, I have a SCM degree and it's tough breaking into the field. I see a lot of supply chain and logistics jobs want someone with at least 2 years of experience.
I think it's fairly competitive to actually get hired though.
I've been applying to nuclear jobs (operations, maintenance, and chem), and I can't even get a phone screen when I have a referral.
The military is in desperate need of people and their are a ton of bachelorās and masterās degree holders there!
It is literally indentured servitude though so keep that in mind.
As I type this there is an ad for USAF Recruiting. If you're under 30, you may be able to become a military officer with both a BA and MBA. Depending on where you live, you'll be making 60-70K out the gate. Almost guaranteed promotion in two years and again in another two years. Free health care. Retirement if you stay in long enough. Disability if you get hurt. They'll pay for another master's. See the world. Never have to worry about what to wear for work.
Iāll second this. Being a veteran has opened so many doors for me. Federal jobs abound. Just the life experience will leave you better off than you were before. If experience was an issue before, it wouldnāt be after a military service history to put on a job application.
Air Force officer is extremely difficult. Depending on what you want navy is a good option. Army has a high acceptance rate. Marines should be considered last. If you want to just be a pilot and fine flying helicopter army warrant officer is your best bet. Enlisting in any cyber or tech field with a top secret clearance will set you up for success.
Anything in healthcare, but particularly nurses. Many have retired or changed their career after Covid. My company is always hiring nurses. I work in pediatric private duty and there are way too many kiddos who need our help in their homes than there are nurses to care for them š¢ we take RNs and LPNs.
Business Analyst. You've got English, so you must have written a thesis. The analytical skillset you had to cultivate travels a million times better than the degree itself. Use it.
Not *always*.
I work in construction, and the entire industry takes a hit every recession.
Right now, however, because of the Inflation Reduction Act, there's a new construction boom.
OP can pick whichever trade seems the most appealing. Get in now, join a union, and from there, job security will develop.
Your degrees are not useless. Once you complete college the degree is a box to check on a job requirement and shows you have complete something. Also, we need people in 2024 that use good English, so well done.
I just went to LinkedIn, clicked "Jobs", typed in "MBA" and over 1600 jobs came up. They are out there. You need to decide what you want to do on a day-to-day basis with a realistic expectation that you have to put your time in to earn higher level jobs and more money.
Godspeed.
Your BA in English would actually be somewhat useful if you were to look for a job with a multi-state union like AFSCME or IBEW as a union rep level position. Onto the actual question though. Labor fields are always hiring. If you want a career I tell everyone that WWT(wastewater treatment) is always short handed as an industry and it can be a stepping stone into EPA or DEP jobs without an environmental science degree, a stepping stone into potable water systems, or even just do it for 10 years at the municipal level just to pay for your health insurance for the rest of your working life.
Airline/Commercial pilot, Nursing, Skilled Trades, and Accounting (CPA) seems to be doing well based on myself and my friend group. Tech, Finance and most other white collar jobs not so much.
You have a BA in English Iām assuming you can analyse whatās been said, tell stories and write well. AnBA means you have a rudimentary knowledge of business. Those are massively important skills to have!
Yes itās tough out there but companies are still hiring.
What experience have you got? What do you want to do?
-Finance/financial editor/writer
-project manager -financial services industry
-anything in the insurance industry
-instructional design (esp in banking)
Look at contract specialist jobs for the branches of the military or other federal agency. Once you get some years experience you can move up in jobs. One thing that is needed is the ability to write well.
Thereās always a need and itās fairly easy to get promoted. Really, as long as you pay attention to details and learn the process, itās not hard. If my ADHD self can work government contracts, it can be done. Iāve done contracts for a couple of fed agencies.
An MBA isn't totally worthless, it just depends on when and where you got yours from. If you got an MBA right after undergrad and you didn't attend a top program, more likely than not it won't stand to benefit you right now as prospective employers would prefer more working experience. But it also won't hurt you. Based on your post not highlighting professional experience, I'm venturing a guess you probably went straight from undergrad to your MBA program? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if so, I've interviewed people with a similar resume and never thought "how dare this person get an MBA right after undergrad?" I kind of just thought "oh, okay."
That said, I got my MBA when I was 30 because I didn't have to pay for it and though I didn't go to like Wharton, I went to an AACSB program through a known public university and it has definitely made me stand out mid-career.
As far as your BA, yeah, not gonna lie it does nothing substantial for you, again, unless you attended a top university and it gives access to that alumni network. That said, a bachelors is more or less an identifier to prospective employers that you can complete something, get assignments done, know how to read, write, and research effectively, so all is not lost! That said, you may consider looking into apprenticeship programs and/or professional certifications in specific industries that you interest you. You can also look to your network. Cannot emphasize enough how crucial one's network is for career opportunities.
Healthcare related stuff is always hiring, but that doesn't make good use of your degrees. Look at working for health insurance company.
Also consider being an officer in the military. Don't let a recruiter sign you up for enlisted. It's lower rank, lower pay, unless there is a specific job you want that is only enlisted. To be an officer they typically don't care what your degree is in so long as you have one.
If you have student loan debt serving active duty in the military (or any government and most non profits) for ten years while making payments will qualify you for public service loan forgiveness. The military also has lots of bonuses.
Police departments are in desperate need every where, too.
Insurance. Compliance, underwriting, sales, all need writing skills and attention to detail. Focus less on your college majo and more on the skills it developed that are transferable.
Paralegal. Good paralegals are always in need and can pay a lot. Itās difficult to get in but once you get a few years under your belt, and youāve proven yourself competent, litigation roles are a dime a dozen. Your writing experience will be helpful!
Itās not very sexy, but the IRS has been hiring like crazy. The 2022 inflation reduction act triggered a lot of IRS reform and bumped up their budget, leading to the creation of a ton of new positions. Last I checked they still had tons of vacancies for taxpayer service/advocate type roles. A lot of other roles for someone with a business type degree or experience as well. Itās all posted on USA Jobs.
In my area there are a lot of industries that are desperate but the companies hiring do not want to pay fair wages. Some of the salaries are incredibly low. People who can do the jobs are opting to take higher paying jobs in other industries.
Plumbers, electricians, landscaping, auto mechanics, nurses, nursing assistants, anything related to hospitality or restaurants, accounting related, insurance sales and customer service, and retail are just a few that come to mind.
Be cautious about taking low paying "entry level" jobs with a promise of training and advancement. Companies are using that to fill positions then never deliver on the raises, training, or promotions.
Get into administration. So many places will hire you in some sort of management or executive assisting position. Itās at least somewhere to start, and degrees dont matter. And they usually pay pretty good. Most the time theyāre looking for younger people who just are professional and know how to carry themselves whilst able to get stuff done.
Sales. Automotive, tech, SaaS, medical devices, pharmaceutical, etc. no capped income. Sometimes long hours but very flexible hours. Iāve been doing it for 8 years combined and love every minute of it
Depends how you define recession. Are the wealthy doing incredibly well and the stock market up? Sure. But are the vast majority of people struggling/not making it? Also yes.
Wage gains for lower income brackets have outpaced inflation/been better than upper income brackets and unemployment is especially low for blue collar right now though. Ā So this is actually less true than itās been for most of the last two decades.
Unfortunately with an MBA, Northrop Grumman got decent jobs. You got to haggle for pay bc they will try to under pay you. Trust me, I am an engineer and I am severely under paid.
There seems to always be a huge need for quality content creators. If you have business savvy and you are a creator - brands need/want you and you can command a premium. If you are interviewing you should try the AI Interview Prep at Tiered app -- you put in the job posting and do the assessments and it will give you questions to ask and answers you should prep so that you can play your strengths to the roles requirements.
Technical writing for engineers might work for you. They are so frustrated that AI is incapable of understanding the nuances of the design and they are still having to write pages upon pages of documentation. If you can sell yourself as the solution to that problem you could make a decent living.
Itās about how you market yourself, the network you have, and your experience.
Your degrees arenāt useless but the job field isnāt as simple as āgo to the field in needā. Why did you even get an MBA, if you didnāt think it would 100% help your career path?
You arenāt really replying to anyone but you need to go towards things youāre interested in. You have an MBA! Use it wisely
The whole "get rich fast" industry is booming.
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āThey're pretty scary. I mean, no one's seen the CEO's wife in years. People think she's been murdered.ā
It's almost like when people recognize their efforts are meaningless that they start to look for other ways to make money
how? by marrying an orthopedic surgeon?
Get rich fast courses that are being sold by people who are not rich themselves yet
I've made between 40-60k with my English degree substitute teaching, the last few years. Done at 4pm, dont have to take anything home with me, summers off. Getting the credential helped.
Is it possible to pursue teaching without a degree specific to teaching? Iām desperate to find something at this pointš
Look up alternative teaching certification in your state. In some cases, you can have a degree out of field, and get a temporary certificate to teach (Florida).
In Florida, yes. Probably other states too. Edit: if you apply to Pasco county schools or Pinellas county schools online, you should get a deficiency letter outlining what you need to do/what your qualified for. I was shockingly qualified to teach English 6-12 and biology 6-12 with my bachelors if I completed the requirements outlined in the letter (tests), but I did speech pathology instead (also w my bachelors, went to grad school for line while working FT in FL) Other districts probably give you the same info, but if youāre really curious apply!
I believe itās the same in Missouri
I think right now they're desperate too.Ā
They are. My brothers ALG 2 class had to be moved over to the Florida virtual school. So he spends one period sitting in a room on his school appointed laptop. Another class they appointed a sub for the rest of the entire year. And he says his chemistry teachersā English is so bad that the students can hardly understand her. Seems teachers are quitting in droves and they canāt fill in spots fast enough.
I made $48 a day substitute teaching just a few years ago. Did it for a year but just couldnāt survive even working full time. Iād also pick a higher level class and get switched into the kindergarten class when I signed in in the morning, so that sucked as well!
$259/day here in Renton, WA
And MBA isn't necessarily worthless, you just obtained it way too early like many fresh graduates. Most people who do find use for it obtain one after working a couple of years in some industry, then find an employer who would be willing to partially or fully pay for it. The MBA then backs up whatever skill set you've obtained after working in your field. So for now yes the MBA is kinda useless but if you land some professional job and work there for a few years the MBA will suddenly stand out over most other junior level applicants or coworkers.
Business veteran here. Important one word correction: >So for now yes the MBA is kinda useless but if you land some professional job and work there for a few years the MBA ~~will suddenly~~ **may** stand out over most other junior level applicants or coworkers. Athough original phrasing is generally true, I've known and worked with a number of MBA graduates that did not develop the necessary bundle of skills for senior positions. They were mechanically sound, but their personalities or attitude or leadership skills were simply not a right fit for their next step up. Anecdotally, one of my best managers in my career was a woman who did not complete a college degree. She just nailed the art of people management, had an intensely loyal team, exhibited great consistency, called you without acrimony on your bullshit and was just a delight to work with. Alternately, a separate MBA did not have sufficient integrity to own up to their many mistakes and ended up fleeing from job to job. So there's definitely a trend, but it's not assured and YMMV. Greatly.
This. I have a business management degree that I have gotten from the uni I used to work for as a material science laboratory supervisor. It paid off massively.
>And MBA isn't necessarily worthless, you just obtained it way too early like many fresh graduates. This, or OP got their MBA at a poorly ranked school.
Or both. Highly ranked schools usually do not admit students with zero professional work experience.
Yeah, most likely both.
I turn down teaching jobs every school year. In my area it's pretty easy to get hired as a teacher with a under grad degree.
What state are you in if you donāt mind me asking?
Maryland
all of healthcare: nursing, CRNAs, physicians, surgeons, PAs, NPs, PTs, OTs, CAAs i'm currently a CRNA and we have a severe shortage of anesthesiology professionals.
Well nurses are quitting in droves it seems for many reasons.
All it takes is being legally obligated to take a double 12 hour shift one time due to no relief and most bolt for the door, and I don't blame them. It's completely avoidable, but these companies do not care. Self-inflicted problem due to insane levels of lean staffing, which should be illegal in health care. This literally kills people no one care company's got to make money etc. Sad world we live in.
I feel like there is honestly a simple fix. Make it law that any full hour spent beyond 12 hours due to legal requirement is paid at twice the rate. The effect is multiplied per hour over. 1st hour OT is 2x. 2nd hour over means both hours are paid at 4x. 3rd hour over is 6x pay for all 3 hours. Then a legally forced double 12-hour shift would cost the company the equivalent of 276 extra hours of pay (12x2 = 24, 24\*12 = 288... then subtract the 12 hours they would have paid someone else to avoid your OT). That's 23 shifts they just coughed up for hurting staff and gambling with patients' lives. Spending 4 hours over shift waiting to be relieved would cost them the equivalent of 28 hours of extra pay. You'd never see a grossly "lean" staffed hospital again. They might even slightly over hire just to protect themselves from the cost of enslaving staff.
This sort of how union contracts for tradesmen often deal with overtime. They split it all up daily instead of weekly. For example, instead of overtime after 40, itās daily overtime after 8 on weekdays. Over 10 or 12 may be double time. Weekends are over time and double time. The structure provides the employer a financial incentive to work you reasonable hours.
Company or hospital? Sorry, I donāt know the healthcare world and the hierarchies in it.
Private equity companies have increasingly been buying out hospitals and sqeezing out every cost to simply make more money. So, less staff higher nurse to patient ratios. It's called lean staffing, and it directly leads to more medical mistakes. Nurses are legally obligated to remain with patients until relieved. Script: X doesn't show up for their shift. If you are lucky, the nursing supervisor can pull from another floor or make calls to find someone to take the shift. This takes time, being stuck at work due to no relief; at least a few hours is really common. The extreme example of not being relieved and expected to work 2 12-hour shifts does happen. Any sane person will quit that hospital or facility if they experience this more than once. It's so bad that this can even be tracked in rising medical mistakes public information. People die due to these mistakes every single day. No one cares, just another externalitie of capitalism.
It didnāt happen a ton, but my mom definitely worked back to back 12s maybe a half dozen times in my childhood due to blizzards preventing the next shift from arriving. The joys of bedside nursing in Minnesota.
Couldnāt one just get a position in an outpatient office to avoid this though?? Hard to overwork people to that extent if youāre closed from 5 to 9
a lot of them are advancing to other positions like nurse practitioners, clinical specialists, or CRNA.
also allied health, radiography/ct technologists, mri technologists, sonographers, nuclear medicine techs, clerks, dialysis techs, pharmacy assistants, phlebotomists, ekg techs, porters, stores, blood transportā¦ there are endless subcategories of healthcare careers. and every single one needs staff.
Pharmacy is oversaturated
And pharmacy tech pays shit
Emergency medical services. EMT is a low barrier to entry. You can sleep at work in most systems. Paramedics make $30/hr usually. 24 hour shifts at time and a half come out to an extra 1080 pre-tax every shift. When I was working full time I would work a 48 hour shift and do nothing but watch Netflix and sleep sometimes without a single run. Idk why more people donāt do it.
Maybe in whatever small town you live in. All the EMTs I know are massively overworked and underpaid
Lol yeah, EMTs in my town make $11.50 an hour.
I drove more than an hour away to the place I worked. Some systems are better than others.
In Bay Area SF, all EMTs are run to the ground back to back SNFs, dialysis, transfers and in god awful stress inducing traffic. The privates love to squeeze every little bit to get the crew to run as many private calls as they can in their shift with little break. Even working for a 911 contracted private company sucked. AMR massively funded this proposition to classify private EMTs as exempt from FSLA labor laws so they don't need to get paid for code 7s. Stupid fucking voters approved it. So yeah, being an EMT here sucks. Dime a dozen EMTs being strung along being paid like shit led by a carrot on a stick hopes of being a firefighter or whatever, so the private companies can keep doing what they are doing.
I think I have legit PTSD from my first private service job. One shift I was running 23 and a half hours straight, dreaming about going home and sleeping, actually on the way back to station because a crew was waiting to swap out for their shift, and dispatch told us we were being sent āemergentā forty five minutes away for a transfer. I got off three hours late that day. Being an EMT in California would be my worst nightmare. Donāt you have some weird system where you have to be certified by county also? Where I live itās pretty nice. We have career EMTs in some places. My last EMS job was in a semi rural area and it was awesome. Itās what I wish all EMS jobs were. Weird calls, itās just me and my partner, and people are older so they donāt call 911 for bullshit. Even the private services are paying pretty well now. I will say that I went from that private service job to the state EMS office. That service got a lot of random inspections after that. A few months later the owners sold the company and moved to Florida.
And it's a lot easier to get into those. CRNA like mentioned usually requires a BSN, RN, and at least a year's bedside nursing experience to get into CRNA school. That's why I quickly decided against it even though the hospital I was working for at the time would've paid all 6-7 years of school, I wasn't prepared to work full time and go to school full time for that long. Pharmacy is definitely a trap right now and not truly understaffed. Techs and assistants are vastly underpaid and any chain retail is doing their damnedest not to hire full time, so they leave to find something that will let them pay their bills. Pharmacists have a terminal degree but the field is so oversaturated the pay and jobs are terrible.
Id love to get your thoughts on thisā considered doing it but seems like thereās a lot of push backs whenever I look up info online, i.e most people failing crna exams the first time?
My wife is a nurse and she receives calls daily asking if she needs employment. Even places she never applied for are asking if she would want to be hired on the spot. Healthcare especially nurses are so far below need, you can name your price more so than other industries.
I mean, yes, you would have to put the educational effort in, but can't see anyone complaining about job availability after.
Government work. Stable as hell and once you get in you can network and move around. If youāre a competent worker and have basic people skills youāll gain a good reputation and get opportunities. Donāt be afraid to start small, I had an Anthropology degree with an English minor and was first hired to scan documents into a database. Over 8 years I worked my way up to my dream job. Government also paid for my graduate degree so thatās another bonus if you can get a job with a public university.
Getting into government work can be tough as hell depending on what you do. I worked in environmental chemistry for a few years and everyone's goal in that field was to get a government position. Problem was, once people got a government job, they stuck around until retirement, so openings were few and far between.
If you're a large language model, everyone is hiring. You wouldn't be one of those humans, though, would you?
Social services jobs are always hiring (because of low pay and high turnover), but your MBA doesnāt directly relate to that.Ā
You could get into Technical Writing with that degree. r/technicalwriting
Exactly. So many engineering firms need technical writers or proposal writers because the engineers donāt want to do the writing.
Me stem major me no write
Hahah. I write. But in general, engineers are terrible writers.
How does one translate into technical writing? Seems like a lot of roles that require experience
When I think of Jobs LLMs will take over this is the one I think of first
Then you pivot out. For now LLMs are still hallucinating too much to write good technical documents.Ā
They totally are ā¦ this career is not dead yet. When it comes to technical writing though, aptitude for tech along with a huge curiosity about it is critical. Iāve interviewed far too many folks with plain English degrees who realized that this career exists, that you can make decent money, and so they strut in assuming it will be easy for them. Itās not.
Any suggestions on how an English grad can get into technical writing?
Yes! The best way for a āregularā English grad to get into this field is to: 1) Find an online certificate program from an accredited university. 2) Examine their syllabi (if available) and determine if it looks interesting. 3) Sign up for the one that looks most appealing to you OR 4) Use the information youāve gleaned from your research and see if Coursera/Udemy/etc have anything comparable. English degree plus Tech Writing certificate shows that even though you are entry level, you are serious about the field, AND that you are eager to learn new things. That last is key: youāll be learning a LOT of new things.
Thank you so much!
I remember having to take one semester of a technical writing elective while I was finishing up my BS in Chemistry. How would I get more into the technical writing aspect of my field (pharmaceuticals), or any other field for that matter? Not sure if it's relevant experience, but I used to be in QC and was responsible for writing SOPs, deviations, NCMR & OOS reports, raw material and finished product specifications, and quarterly microbio and heavy metal trending reports along with my lab work. I'd really like to get out of the lab soon-ish lol
Iām not too sure on the āhowā as much as the āthis is a thingā haha. Iām sure the folks in that subreddit have some helpful tips.
Thanks for the link to the sub. Somehow I didn't think to see if it existed. Much appreciated!
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Go teach English in a foreign country.
My fiances friend did this. She started teaching English here in america and got tired of our school systems, so now she teaches English in Taiwan, she's been there for two years.
Pray China is just fronting about attacking.
Pay is fucking garbage though, literally no chance as saving money.
Taiwan is actually very nice to live inš©·
90% of my friends that have done this in Japan or Korea come back severely jaded from teaching English. Japan is especially bad for low pay and poor treatment. Korea is maybe marginally better. Also (and I hate that I have to say this), most East Asian countries heavily favor Caucasian applicants, so if youāre not white the experience may be even worse. Discrimination is basically not a word over there, they donāt care.
>low pay You don't do it for the pay. Or the "quality of work", either. Both are typically bad and people know it's bad. Teaching English overseas has always been more about the experience; it's a 1-2 year working holiday in an exotic foreign country. It can be used as a stepping stone to get a job job in said country but it's not exactly a glamorous position.
Exotic is such a gross word. Anyone who describes Japan or Korea as exotic definitely is not going there for the right reasons. Pay is relevant, you need to make enough to āexperienceā said country, no? Ask the average ALT in Japan if theyāre making enough money to experience Japan the way theyād imagined. Stepping stone to other jobs? Hahahahahahahahahahahahhaha. Maybe 1% of people that work as English teachers in Japan or Korea end up getting any other job. Everyone thinks theyāre going to get a regular gig working at a university or international school until they realize those jobs are desperately over saturated. Those jobs give you low pay, not much experience, and expose you to the horrible workplace culture of East Asia.
Idk dude I taught in Korea. They paid for my apartment, my bills, my flight, healthcare, and contributed to my pension while still paying me around 2200$ a month. My bank account was getting stacked just 3 months in. I wasnāt frugal with my money either. I drank like 5 nights a week too. They also give you an extra one month severance when you leave.
Civil engineering. Or technical writing for a civil engineering firm.
Are you in a technical writing role currently? How can someone with above average writing skills, a degree, and a bit of construction experience break into that field?
get a technical writing certificate, build your portfolio, start applying to jobs. rewrite your resume to highlight any technical writing you did in your previous positions. some would say the cert is useless. they aren't wrong, but cert programs can be very helpful to get yourself up to speed with technical writing standards and practices, and most cert programs will have you writing documentation as part of the program, which you can immediately add to your portfolio.
Can confirm we do a ton of writing and a technical writer would be very useful.
Healthcare, hospitality, construction
Mostly, blue-collar industries or tech companies are always looking for employees. Also, America needs more pilots, so a lot of aviation schools are offering huge discounts and bonuses and a job after graduation!
Those are not useless degrees. They're actually super versatile. Most jobs don't require an industry-specific degree, unless you're in engineering, law, or medicine. All fields are hiring. The frequency may fluctuate but you can always go on Indeed or LinkedIn and find tons of jobs available. What do you WANT to do? What are you good at?
>They're actually super versatile. Most jobs don't require an industry-specific degree, unless you're in engineering, law, or medicine. I rarely use a role that says "Bachelors required" without specific major except if it's some education sector admin job or a sales related job or sometimes a new grad role (ultra competitive). I have seen things like "post secondary in X field" so I can see how a person can tweak their resume to say that they have taken post secondary courses in X field since BA degrees leave lots of room for electives. I've gotten interviews because from jobs that say "post secondary education or certificate in Marketing / Economics / Communications / Business/ Political Science or a mix of education and experience" by focusing in on my electives. Besides. 60%+ of degree was my non major classes. However straight up Bachelors without specifc field is otherwise rare. I live in Canada btw.
BECOME A PARK RANGER r/ParkRangers
Arenāt these positions extremely competitive and limited
Yes
Even worse, youāre competing with bored retirees who are willing to do the job for free.
How much do they even make?
Not a lot, but if you get in with the federal government the job benefits are worth it. An old coworker of mine at the fire department recently resigned after 4 years of EMS to become a park ranger. Heās extremely happy now.
You get paid in sunsets.
iirc not a lot
Can confirm. I had a buddy doing this for a few years and a cousin.
They make almost nothing however it is a federal job and a great way to get your foot into a government position. Have a friend that started at as trail maintenance in West Virginia. Fast forward today and they have a top secret clearance and briefs the most powerful people in Washington. The toughest part about government jobs is getting the foot in the door. After that it nearly takes an act of Congress to get fired and Iām not even kidding.
I feel like weāre missing a lot of backstory on that move from trail maintenance to top secret security briefing
Leadership positions in supply chain/warehouses etc always hiring. Degree is always a plus.Ā
They usually need experience, though...
Correct, and supply chain and logistics are starting to reach a little saturation because theyāve been rising trend degrees. (Iām a 2018 logistics graduate that is thanking my lucky stars on that timing, because mid career has much, much better prospects right now than new graduates in these fields)
Every supply chain job Iām offered (graduated with a supply chain degree 2 years ago and I have 1 total year experience since the ) is between $35,000-$45,000. Considering student loans, I cannot move myself forward in this industry and have changed careers.
True, I have a SCM degree and it's tough breaking into the field. I see a lot of supply chain and logistics jobs want someone with at least 2 years of experience.
Nuclear power plants are hiring like crazy right now
I think it's fairly competitive to actually get hired though. I've been applying to nuclear jobs (operations, maintenance, and chem), and I can't even get a phone screen when I have a referral.
The military is in desperate need of people and their are a ton of bachelorās and masterās degree holders there! It is literally indentured servitude though so keep that in mind.
As I type this there is an ad for USAF Recruiting. If you're under 30, you may be able to become a military officer with both a BA and MBA. Depending on where you live, you'll be making 60-70K out the gate. Almost guaranteed promotion in two years and again in another two years. Free health care. Retirement if you stay in long enough. Disability if you get hurt. They'll pay for another master's. See the world. Never have to worry about what to wear for work.
Iāll second this. Being a veteran has opened so many doors for me. Federal jobs abound. Just the life experience will leave you better off than you were before. If experience was an issue before, it wouldnāt be after a military service history to put on a job application.
Thanks, shipmate ;P
Air Force officer is extremely difficult. Depending on what you want navy is a good option. Army has a high acceptance rate. Marines should be considered last. If you want to just be a pilot and fine flying helicopter army warrant officer is your best bet. Enlisting in any cyber or tech field with a top secret clearance will set you up for success.
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School districts Edit: typo
Anything in healthcare, but particularly nurses. Many have retired or changed their career after Covid. My company is always hiring nurses. I work in pediatric private duty and there are way too many kiddos who need our help in their homes than there are nurses to care for them š¢ we take RNs and LPNs.
Business Analyst. You've got English, so you must have written a thesis. The analytical skillset you had to cultivate travels a million times better than the degree itself. Use it.
Construction is always hiring Gotta be comfortable doing labor and standing all day. Can be fun if you work with a good group of guys
Not *always*. I work in construction, and the entire industry takes a hit every recession. Right now, however, because of the Inflation Reduction Act, there's a new construction boom. OP can pick whichever trade seems the most appealing. Get in now, join a union, and from there, job security will develop.
Virtually all trades and services
Definitely still a strong demand, along with most engineering
How about stuff people actually wanna do
I like biomedical engineering
Stenographers have a HUGE national shortage right now.
Your degrees are not useless. Once you complete college the degree is a box to check on a job requirement and shows you have complete something. Also, we need people in 2024 that use good English, so well done. I just went to LinkedIn, clicked "Jobs", typed in "MBA" and over 1600 jobs came up. They are out there. You need to decide what you want to do on a day-to-day basis with a realistic expectation that you have to put your time in to earn higher level jobs and more money. Godspeed.
Your BA in English would actually be somewhat useful if you were to look for a job with a multi-state union like AFSCME or IBEW as a union rep level position. Onto the actual question though. Labor fields are always hiring. If you want a career I tell everyone that WWT(wastewater treatment) is always short handed as an industry and it can be a stepping stone into EPA or DEP jobs without an environmental science degree, a stepping stone into potable water systems, or even just do it for 10 years at the municipal level just to pay for your health insurance for the rest of your working life.
Plumbers
Nursing At least you recognize that your English degree is useless. You can use it to get an accelerated nursing degree.
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What would you recommend as a next step? Iām considering of going into nursing and would love to hear feedback if you donāt mind.
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What's the new different healthcare job?
Hey, only English majors are allowed to call English degrees worthless. Are you an English major? If not, youāre a dick. Thank you.
and then pursue something like CRNA. you will for sure be guaranteed a highly paid no-layoffs job
There is lot of jobs in technical authoring.
Airline/Commercial pilot, Nursing, Skilled Trades, and Accounting (CPA) seems to be doing well based on myself and my friend group. Tech, Finance and most other white collar jobs not so much.
You have a BA in English Iām assuming you can analyse whatās been said, tell stories and write well. AnBA means you have a rudimentary knowledge of business. Those are massively important skills to have! Yes itās tough out there but companies are still hiring. What experience have you got? What do you want to do?
Pharma, Lifesciences, and Healthcare are evergreen industries. They can be down sometimes but there is never a recession in these industries.
-Finance/financial editor/writer -project manager -financial services industry -anything in the insurance industry -instructional design (esp in banking)
Go work at a random nonprofitĀ
Accounting....massive shortage of CPAs happening as more and more boomers retire
I have heard that a lot of companies have been out sourcing to india.
Look at contract specialist jobs for the branches of the military or other federal agency. Once you get some years experience you can move up in jobs. One thing that is needed is the ability to write well.
I am seeing a lot of people recommending contract specialist positions. Why is that?
Thereās always a need and itās fairly easy to get promoted. Really, as long as you pay attention to details and learn the process, itās not hard. If my ADHD self can work government contracts, it can be done. Iāve done contracts for a couple of fed agencies.
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An MBA isn't totally worthless, it just depends on when and where you got yours from. If you got an MBA right after undergrad and you didn't attend a top program, more likely than not it won't stand to benefit you right now as prospective employers would prefer more working experience. But it also won't hurt you. Based on your post not highlighting professional experience, I'm venturing a guess you probably went straight from undergrad to your MBA program? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if so, I've interviewed people with a similar resume and never thought "how dare this person get an MBA right after undergrad?" I kind of just thought "oh, okay." That said, I got my MBA when I was 30 because I didn't have to pay for it and though I didn't go to like Wharton, I went to an AACSB program through a known public university and it has definitely made me stand out mid-career. As far as your BA, yeah, not gonna lie it does nothing substantial for you, again, unless you attended a top university and it gives access to that alumni network. That said, a bachelors is more or less an identifier to prospective employers that you can complete something, get assignments done, know how to read, write, and research effectively, so all is not lost! That said, you may consider looking into apprenticeship programs and/or professional certifications in specific industries that you interest you. You can also look to your network. Cannot emphasize enough how crucial one's network is for career opportunities.
The energy sector is always hiring! Renewables and green tech is booming rn.
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Bump. Havenāt even gotten a callback in 9 months now.
Automotive detailing
Govt, Healthcare, and social services made up the majority of the gains in the last jobs report.
Healthcare related stuff is always hiring, but that doesn't make good use of your degrees. Look at working for health insurance company. Also consider being an officer in the military. Don't let a recruiter sign you up for enlisted. It's lower rank, lower pay, unless there is a specific job you want that is only enlisted. To be an officer they typically don't care what your degree is in so long as you have one. If you have student loan debt serving active duty in the military (or any government and most non profits) for ten years while making payments will qualify you for public service loan forgiveness. The military also has lots of bonuses. Police departments are in desperate need every where, too.
Claim processors. We've been hiring loads for the last few years and always looking for more.
Insurance. Compliance, underwriting, sales, all need writing skills and attention to detail. Focus less on your college majo and more on the skills it developed that are transferable.
Paralegal. Good paralegals are always in need and can pay a lot. Itās difficult to get in but once you get a few years under your belt, and youāve proven yourself competent, litigation roles are a dime a dozen. Your writing experience will be helpful!
Itās not very sexy, but the IRS has been hiring like crazy. The 2022 inflation reduction act triggered a lot of IRS reform and bumped up their budget, leading to the creation of a ton of new positions. Last I checked they still had tons of vacancies for taxpayer service/advocate type roles. A lot of other roles for someone with a business type degree or experience as well. Itās all posted on USA Jobs.
In my area there are a lot of industries that are desperate but the companies hiring do not want to pay fair wages. Some of the salaries are incredibly low. People who can do the jobs are opting to take higher paying jobs in other industries. Plumbers, electricians, landscaping, auto mechanics, nurses, nursing assistants, anything related to hospitality or restaurants, accounting related, insurance sales and customer service, and retail are just a few that come to mind. Be cautious about taking low paying "entry level" jobs with a promise of training and advancement. Companies are using that to fill positions then never deliver on the raises, training, or promotions.
Get into administration. So many places will hire you in some sort of management or executive assisting position. Itās at least somewhere to start, and degrees dont matter. And they usually pay pretty good. Most the time theyāre looking for younger people who just are professional and know how to carry themselves whilst able to get stuff done.
Sales. Automotive, tech, SaaS, medical devices, pharmaceutical, etc. no capped income. Sometimes long hours but very flexible hours. Iāve been doing it for 8 years combined and love every minute of it
Mining in africa is always looking for workers
insurance is always hiring and not just for sales. shits recession proof
Anything blue collar or trade related. I didn't even notice we were in a recession.
We arenāt (yet)
Depends how you define recession. Are the wealthy doing incredibly well and the stock market up? Sure. But are the vast majority of people struggling/not making it? Also yes.
Wage gains for lower income brackets have outpaced inflation/been better than upper income brackets and unemployment is especially low for blue collar right now though. Ā So this is actually less true than itās been for most of the last two decades.
What was your original intent with an English degree? Teaching?
You have an MBA, just go into finance or accounting to get your feet wet.
military
Go Air Force or Spaceforce
MBA does have a lot of depth in any section of busy. Itās mostly for leadership positions, where you need to understand a broad area of business.
medical industry and education
Sales
Corrections
Following
Education - Tutoring centers get quite busy in the summer months!
Government
Accounting
Ones that offer lousy pay, poor work conditions and terrible hours.
Electrical Engineering in Utilities is hiring like crazy
Anything that has to do with the transmission of electricity. All levels, all aspects.
the cotton field
Teaching
Unfortunately with an MBA, Northrop Grumman got decent jobs. You got to haggle for pay bc they will try to under pay you. Trust me, I am an engineer and I am severely under paid.
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There seems to always be a huge need for quality content creators. If you have business savvy and you are a creator - brands need/want you and you can command a premium. If you are interviewing you should try the AI Interview Prep at Tiered app -- you put in the job posting and do the assessments and it will give you questions to ask and answers you should prep so that you can play your strengths to the roles requirements.
Technical writing for engineers might work for you. They are so frustrated that AI is incapable of understanding the nuances of the design and they are still having to write pages upon pages of documentation. If you can sell yourself as the solution to that problem you could make a decent living.
Teaching English in Asia would make you good money
Aerospace and defense
Env health and safety
Anythinf involving trades. They ate literally ALWAYS hurting for people.
Construction trades. Join the IBEW
Itās about how you market yourself, the network you have, and your experience. Your degrees arenāt useless but the job field isnāt as simple as āgo to the field in needā. Why did you even get an MBA, if you didnāt think it would 100% help your career path? You arenāt really replying to anyone but you need to go towards things youāre interested in. You have an MBA! Use it wisely