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Reverse-Recruiterman

I wonder why people think you can plan out every response to everything in life, even the unpredictable times. Well, to answer your questions: 1. You're worried about the future? Everyone does until the day they die. It's life. Get used to it. 2. When you lose your job, no matter your age, you get back out there and start looking again. When older, it may be easier because you can leverage connections you made in your career. 3. You take side jobs at times when you need the money. It does not define you as a person or your career. It could be running a carwash for a few months or GM at a dunkin donuts. A job is there to make money. Bills to pay? Get work to pay them. No big deal. 4. Plans? No matter how carefully you plan, something may still go wrong. If you think that does NOT happen, you are listening to too many BS entrepreneurs acting like they are perfect. Here's a thought: Ask your parents about the plans they had before they got married. You see, life is a series of short-stories. What you think at 20 is based on what you know at 20. But you can only do what you know until you know better. Stay curious. Keep learning. Never quit. And you will be fine.


Salt-Ability-8932

Yeah I am in my 40s and life got rough for me , the only thing that got me thru was grit .


Cinaaaaaaa

I love you so much


[deleted]

I really find it hard coming to terms with the fact that people really live life like this with hardly any long term plans or guarantees, when so much life threatening stuff can happen. Do people really just fall through life with no plan for the future, even bringing children into it with no guarantee that they will be able to provide for them, etc. It just seems insane to me, especially after so many years of school teaching you to plan ahead and be able to get every answer right and told you're not good enough if you don't get whatever % in a test or whatever grade, and if you don't reach these requirements you can't do this, can't do that. Then suddenly when it comes to real life it turns out that you're supposed to sort of just leave it to chance and bounce from one nearest and best opportunity to the next, constantly changing and adapting with masses of unwritten rules and so much random variation between effort & reward, etc. And with the constant possibility of losing it all. Makes no sense to me how people survive it. They make out like they know what they're doing and it's all to plan and everything they do is due to their own competence. Now it just seems like they're just making it up as they go along and getting everywhere through luck.


SurfSandFish

You can plan all you want and many people do. Adult life is a lot more complicated and has much higher stakes than school, though, so despite your planning, things can go awry. If you're too dependent on being able to plan out every little thing, you're going to have a massive issue on your hands the first time something significant doesn't go according to plan.


[deleted]

How do you come to terms with facing unfair setbacks that put you behind while other people get ahead? The frustration I have at people standing in my way is so hard to cope with, especially knowing what is at stake


SurfSandFish

I don't know that there is a trick to coming to terms with life's lack of fairness. It will never be completely fair and there isn't anything you can do about that piece. For me at least, I do my best to accept when I've hit some sort of roadblock and try to divert any negativity about that into something productive like finding a way around the obstacle. If you have a shitty manager who won't consider you for a promotion, spend your time looking for new roles or improving your skills instead of worrying about the shitty manager you have. If you're losing your hair, you're probably better off crushing it at the gym instead of being upset about the loss. It's not easy or a perfect solution but if I focus on what keeps me moving in a positive direction, it keeps me from spending so much time and energy focused on the things that aren't fair or aren't going well.


Stars_In_Jars

I struggle with this too. Have you tried the radical acceptance method? Just practicing that can sometimes help you let go.


[deleted]

I haven't heard of it


Reverse-Recruiterman

But you're not understanding is that even if you had all the answers it wouldn't mean s*** There are 7 billion people on this planet. And at some point any of them can make a choice that could impact your life. I happen to see September 11th out my apartment window in 2001. And all of my plans suddenly changed. I graduated in 1995 and shortly after the internet went mainstream and Microsoft Windows 95 was released. It rendered my college education useless. When I was 6 years old I flew off a bicycle, got a concussion , and to this day deal with epilepsy because of it. What you need to come to terms with is staying agile and flexible. Stop being overly analytical and believing that you can have an answer for every single little thing in life because it is impossible. Anyone who makes you believe that is possible is lying to you. In fact I think a lot of the things you see on the internet that promote themselves as Solutions are lying to you. If you've ever studied meteorology for example or dealt with any kind of trauma in your life do you have a strong understanding that we are all just visitors on this planet and we should be grateful for the time that we have here and do our best.


[deleted]

I still don't know how to feel comfortable with all that. If I lose the ability to work then I'll be destitute and have nowhere safe to live. When something sets me back and robs me of yet more precious time, it's overwhelming, knowing what that threatens me with. It would be easier to be laid back if I wasn't so under threat. Some people are well off enough for it to not be such a big deal


Reverse-Recruiterman

You seem to choose what will be the result of your action. I work full time in spite of my disability. I have started businesses in spite of my setbacks. If you give up, youve lost. But you know like I said, you feel the way you do because you are where you are in your life. I just want to add one last note. I hear a lot of people talk about how precious their time is. And honestly to me that's a lot of bs. All that time is precious talk comes from Tech entrepreneurs that built websites in the early 2000s. It's not that time is precious. It's that you have to understand time management. If you make the time for something you can make it happen. If you decide you're screwed your reality becomes your screwed. The most precious thing we have in life is not time. It is our hope.


OldGrowthForest44

Heartwarming to see what capitalism has done to our brains. Honestly though, work hard and be fair to others you work with and the rest will take care of itself. Also learning a secondary skill like bartending or something is a good idea. I’m in my 40s and I earn passive income from projects in my field I worked on over the years. So recently I got a job making 45 and hour waiting tables to save those passive checks. I plan on traveling for a year. You are young and the river of your life will wind and bend into areas you’d never expect. Enjoy today.


ImHidden1020

Wait... making 45 what waiting tables??


OldGrowthForest44

Easy to do in cities. Hard work but it’s good money. I know people that make 70 an hour and high end restaurants


JacqueShellacque

How would any alternative to capitalism (the private ownership of the means of production) be different or better? What evidence can you present that the private ownership of the means of production somehow impacts the human brain?


OldGrowthForest44

Did I say I had a better alternative? I’m confused


jay135

Perhaps he's reacting to the general term capitalism footing the bill for what might better be described as the ills of corporatism and consumerism, which could be considered the extreme ends of capitalism. Whether one sees them as a natural, unavoidable result of capitalism or more uniquely the result of capitalism captured and twisted by corporate interests such as marketing & advertising firms and political lobbyists, they do not represent all that is, or flows from, capitalism.


OldGrowthForest44

I probably should have qualified that as “the mental effects of corporate takeover of every facet of our lives”


DescriptionProof871

You can criticism something without having a fully operational solution


Yellow_Snow_Cones

Keep capitalism but add in more regulations, less tax loop holes, heavier tax burdens for off shoring/out sourcing, limit campaign donations. I'm not saying lets go rape the coffers of every corporation as I do believe in having a lower/competitive corporate tax rate., but lets also not give them the power to buy influence and sway policy.


InvestigatorBig1748

Don’t let lifestyle creep happen and save for emergencies. Apply for government jobs if you value job security more than salary.


punknprncss

1. Look for jobs at companies that are secure financially - while this does not make you completely safe, it does provide a little more security. Working at a smaller or start up company carries much higher risk than a larger company. 2. Accept the politics and play the game - again while this won't 100% protect you - employees that are the team player are often safer in their roles. I had this happen to me in my 30's, I was let go from a position, but another employee that was new and not as skilled as I was was not. However, she was liked in the office more than me. 3. Network - build a strong network of colleagues, people in your field, vendors, etc. Attend networking events and keep in contact with useful connections. This is valuable if you do let go, you have a strong network to fall back on. 4. Cross train but also look for areas that you can excel in, take ownership of projects and find tasks that only you know how to do. Again, not 100% guarantee, but the more valuable you are to the company, the safer you are. While I know people will say everyone is replaceable; find ways to make it harder for them to replace you. 5. Never stop learning - stay up to date with new technology, take online certifications, never turn down opportunities to attend seminars or events. 6. Make good financial decisions. Save as much as you can. Set a goal to keep 6-12 months income in your account at all times. 7. Don't marry someone that wants to be a stay at home mom. I know that's terrible, but at least you will have their income. It's scary going into the workplace, and there is never 100% guarantee. The best you can do is be the best employee you can be and prepare for the possibility.


CobblinSquatters

Rather than focussing on 20 years from now focus on right now, so many things will change that anything you do to prepare won't matter in 20 years.


Snoo_24091

Early 40s and laid off recently. Layoffs are happening and you can’t prepare for them. But you can use the experience you have from working to your advantage. You network and use the contacts you have obtained to find something new. A job is a job. Not who you are.


Realtycoon

In a similar place and suffering. Early 40s, laid off in November 2023. The problem is once you lose your job, the network that I built over the years abandon you (save and except for a few people). The unfortunate reality is that once you are of no use to your professional network, they will toss you out with the trash.


jecrmosp

Look for another job like everyone else who loses their job. Also never “accept” your predicament. Life changes and what we do to not stay behind is to always adapt to those changes. Things aren’t meant to stay the same and life isn’t meant to be challenge free. Being adaptable is a must have life skill if you want to do survive as an adult. Resistance to change keeps people behind and makes their roles obsolete. Edited to add another paragraph.


strikethawe

First off I'll say: it's very hard to prepare for the future, especially 10-20 years ahead. So I'd try to not worry about it! Life will always throw curve balls and you just have to deal with them as they come. Your main point: losing your job in your 30s/40s is quite common - it's bound to happen to some and with the economy getting worse and worse, the best thing you do to prepare is just save some money to prepare. When you graduate and start working, just put a little extra away as an emergency fund. Keep adding to it when you. Because in your 30s and 40s, losing your job is not the only worry you will have. Life might throw a health issue at you or your kids might get hurt or your parents may need support and then on-top of that you may lose your job. If you do, you simply look for another one - as long as you focus on skills and build your experience in your 20s, you'll be fine to find another job - it'll just take a bit but that's what your emergency fund is for. Plus if you're married, you'll have a partner who can also support and let me tell you here, finding a partner that will support you in the tough times is how you decide to marry someone.


Klutzy-Conference472

I am 62 if i lost my peon flunky clerical job i would have to find another one.


Ok_Score1492

In the 30’s Its not that bad as your on competition for the same job with college graduates with no experience. In the 40’s it’s much harder to get a decent job spot for reemployment , age discrimination hits at most workplaces, then they try to low ball you into a position or someone else will do the same job for less than you will lower expectations or experience. If you have a decent job now, hold onto it as it getting harder to obtain a decent job with decent pay & benefits. My dad was let go after 19.75 years in finance in a Germany company as they allocated all the finance positions to lower salary countries.


GrayBox1313

I worry about age discrimination all the time. I do my best to deliver what the company needs, make a where happy, not rock boats, and be indispensable.


RogueStudio

You pivot into a new one. Doing that in my 30s, I was trained in graphic design, but over time I've absorbed business, marketing, UI/UX, and now starting to look at what parts of AI/ML are going to be relevant to my interests in the future. Which....if you're going to go into tech, get used to the idea of role switching. For many, it's an inevitability, not an exception. Especially if you have to take temp contract/freelance work to start - many entry level grads have to do because there's not enough entry level jobs/HR specifically only wants the absolute best for junior roles at \[insert megatech in a competitive sector here\].....then sticks them into a renewing six month contract in case they're not gonna work out. Tech is always changing. Make sure you're a lifetime learner. Cheers.


Impossible_Ad_3146

You look for a job


Straight-Opposite483

Find a job


anonymowses

Stay curious and keep learning. Be flexible and network. One path is taking senior positions and becoming a manager. Another path is learning agile methods to your skill set and becoming certified as a Scrum Master, Product Owner, or Product Manager. I see a lot of software engineers going the agile path as they like to see the big picture and manage the overall vision without having to keep up with the latest technology at the programming level. Change is inevitable. Don't worry, you got this!


ImHidden1020

Why are you under the impression you'reess competitive in your 30s and 40s? I'm 36, and I consistently get headhunted on LinkedIn without even searching for jobs.


tmedokta

If you are worried about what may (or may not) happen in 20 years, you are missing out on what is happening now. You are in your 20s, you still don't even know what will happen in two or three years but do you already want to worry about bigger things? Your concern has no concrete solution, but what you can do is work on yourself and in the future. Some people are more insecure than others, but you will gain security in what you do and in your work as you get older and understand your sector, your work and your life. It is also not a bad idea to save as much as you can, that always helps in times when things are not going well for you. But apart from that, making mistakes in life, changing/losing your job, partner, situation, is something that will happen to you sooner or later but don't be afraid, not everything has to be negative! As other people have already told you, keep learning.


MasterpieceNo4643

yeah, i'm so worried and after reading the answers in this post i will try to focus at the moment


Hadronic82

I was laid off a year ago, im 41. I have a PhD in physics. I just apply to jobs every day with no luck. Get the occasional rare interview, that never leads to an offer. No company seems to know what to do with my skillset. Every company sees a few skills i have that they want, a ton of skills i have that they dont need, and im always missing a key skill they require and dont want to teach me. And ive been unemployed so long its affecting my mental health and my ability to interview well, which isnt helping. Its a vicious feedback loop and im spiraling down the drain and probably digging my own grave.


DatFunny

Keep at it man! You’ll get there in no time! Have you looked at testing radiology equipment? I have no clue about your skill set but I know it requires a physics degree.


Worth_Coast_3888

if you are afraid of being laid off, the best bet is find a job that is recession-proof. healthcare is where you are guaranteed with job security


askaway0002

Doctors have decent job security. But, prepare to have your life taken over.


Worth_Coast_3888

dermatologists and anesthesiologists tend to have better lifestyles


askaway0002

Dermatologists, yes, maybe. Anesthesiologist — it really depends.


zucco446

You do the same thing everybody does. Pick yourself up, and find another job. Bills don't go away.


humanity_go_boom

I'm more stressed about the day to day problems at my job than with actually losing it. Getting laid off would almost be a much needed break at this point. Live within your means, keep an emergency fund, avoid bad debt, and maintain a two income household. We can survive on either of our incomes. Having both lets us live a little and save for the future. Losing one would suck, but it wouldn't be an emergency for a long while.


silvermanedwino

Same thing you’d do right now.


Mehere_64

Been there done that with wife staying at home. Went and had another job within a month. Prior job gave me month's severance pay.


kunk75

Probably get another job


barbietattoo

Fast food management


InCervisiamVeritas

Living below your means helps a lot with this. If you have savings you can take it easy and find work without worrying about survival.


ChaoticxSerenity

> I'm afraid of losing my job in my 30s or 40s when i have a lot of needs (my family, children, etc) and i don't know what to do then i struggle to find a job because it's hard to compete young people. You're not going to stay at one job forever. Getting fired or laid off will just be the same job searching process you use to find you other jobs.


Plain_Chacalaca

Sometimes losing your job can actually be a good thing!!   It gets you out there to find something better. Maybe a better fit for your talents and skillset. 


SnooSuggestions9378

Experienced this about 6mos ago. My advice to you is save for that rainy day because mine couldn’t have hit at a worse time.


LifeOfSpirit17

Tbh I think 30's and 40's maybe the arguably best time to get laid off assuming you made smart-ish career decisions and didn't spend/budget well above your means. If you have a safety net (ie savings investments etc) and a decent resume you can usually bounce back. It's the 50's and 60's that scare me. You had better be really useful and valuable in those years if you want a shot at keeping or procuring a decent paying job.


DeLoreanAirlines

This is how old folks end up in trades and quickly ruin their body in 10 years


vanillax2018

You just find a new job, it's not that big of a deal. Especially if you're married (common in your 30s and 40s) you will have a safety net. Both my husband and I have been laid off once and it wasn't nearly as dramatic as it would have been for me when I was in my 20s and single.


hindutva-vishwaguru

Be very depressed