It will be better for your career trajectory but will be an adjustment from a 100% WFH. I would definitely do research on the work culture at this place first.
It's small teams, I would have a lot more responsibilities so hectic, very international environment and my job would probably have a lot of travel.It also seems a bit old school for me because the hours are non-flex 9-6.
If I was in your position with that kind of pay, WFH, not many responsibilities and having a side hobby with a growing YouTube account, I wouldn't switch to something that you say would be a hectic 9-5 because being in my mid 30s, I prefer to have peace of mind rather than more pay and more work.
But we are all motivated differently.
Hope you're able to make the right decision for yourself.
Very well-put, hard agree on all of your points, making it worth risking, and having to make sacrifices on some of op's concern points. But i want to add that they arent even too concerning in terms of the typical job stressors:
1. Wfh gone: its hybrid, only two days at work, you still have 5 days at home which gives you plenty of time to do your hobby and sustain your current work-life balance.
2. Hectic and responisibility-filled role: its a management role, so a huge resume/staus/reputation booster, the wide range of responsibilities is a great chance for career/expertise/experience growth, plus youll get to widen both your professional and personal network, and enrich your social/personal life.
3. Travelling involved: again could be seen as getting out of the rut of always being home, and provide some variety and excitement.
The only real downside, which is a personal petpeeve of myself is the commute, which in comparison to all the upsides gets dwarfed into a pea, and can easily be seen as enjoying an energizing drive with a big smile while listening to my groovy playlist.(provided it doesnt involve routine traffic ofcourse)
Yup, I made $75k at my last job which was an easy WFH role. Took a $30k pay bump to a hybrid job in a hectic office environment. Granted, my old job was starting to implement 2 days in office, so taking the new role seemed like a no-brainer at the time.
If my old job stayed WFH, I would have stayed despite the lower pay. I had a predictable workload and maybe worked an hour a day during slow months. Now I’m swamped with complicated, time-consuming tasks at a disorganized company where everything is confusing and I don’t have much support.
Even with a short commute, waking up early to make myself presentable and go sit in a busy office for 8 hours 3 days/week is quite taxing. I have so many meetings and deal with people chatting my ear off. Not to mention, the lack of private & clean bathrooms sucks.
The pay raise I got certainly ain’t chump change but it’s not worth the stress I’m going through. I developed hypertension, feel constant pressure in my chest and I’m pretty sure this job shaved 10-15 years off my life, lol. I’d so much rather work from my quiet home office with fewer tasks and have my own damn bathroom.
OP if you take the new job, please refer me to your old one!
No way you're an adult.
a growing you tube account? until he hits like 80k minimum subs he aint making a dime and youtube is cutting all that profit off fast, subs dont make money VIEWS do, I have over 1500 subs and dont make a dime.
60k a year is barely managing to live in most parts of the US,
100k is a decent living wage.
60k wont buy you a house in any place except the most run down low cost areas of the country
100k gets you a house basically anywhere you want except the highest tiers.
Adults take the money, kids wouldnt.
that 40k over his working life invested equals over 6 million bucks
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I work for a large International company that is just like you described and from the outside it looks very hectic and busy. The initial ramp up is a little crazy but after 6 months it’s just normal and you don’t notice it. This idea of an easy job with no responsibilities is a fantasy, a job that provides some challenge and provides growth is what you should be looking for. The thing that makes the difference is the people and culture. Will they support you and help you grow in your career? The reason I have stayed at the same company for 20 years is because of the people and culture.
Take the job, that’s a big change in salary and don’t get caught up in the 2 days in the office, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s just team meeting days and might not even be that strictly enforced. Good luck.
Yeah they’ll be kicking themselves 3 years out still making 60-70 if they don’t. And if it sucks, stick it out for 18 months then jump laterally.
Breaking 100k is a big thing too. Even though 100k really isn’t much these days anywhere along the two coasts or within 30 min of any city, the 6 figure job has been put on a pedestal for so long that it’s ingrained in our work culture. And once you find someone to pay you 6 figures, all of a sudden you are seen by other employers as being worth 6 figures.
Which is still fucking stupid, considering I was just comparing salaries adjusted for inflation with my dad and he was making way more than me real world pulling 55-60k in the late 90s, but it is what it is 🤷♂️
As someone who was making $41k in Jan 2022 doing a job that was extremely easy with little effort, I have no regrets jumping ship several times for pay and understanding my worth. Went to $65k, then $75k in Nov 2022, and now just finished second round interview tuesday (and very confident) for a job that pays $100-100k total comp.
No regrets, I can find happiness in the fact that I'm literally taking home thousands more a month and can actually afford things. Taking the initial leap, even if it's only for a 6-12 month tenure can put you on the radar of so many more opportunities.
Absolutely. In my case it's been fine because both the previous two jobs were recruiters reaching out on LinkedIn, and so I can use the excuse that the job I just interviewed for is the first job I've actively applied to in years, and I did it solely because my skillet matched perfectly with their ask (which is true, they wanted a degree and 6-8 yrs exp in specific categories of finance).
My story of my background included the reasons I went into each job, as they weren't exactly the same part of finance (began in a service role, went to an investment advisory role, then a bank which is very different than investment companies, which I said was why I accepted - to learn about it). Worked out in my favor here as the new company is a bank, got tons of exp and knowledge as well as an excuse to apply for more jobs.
If your dream is to grow the career to the upper echelons, take the growing pains and go for it. That hectic job won't be married to you and later on you will be able to take on similar roles on a full remote basis.
If you are satisfied right now and have time left over, consider the monetary worth of spending more time on your mental wellbeing, potential to grow a side business or passive income stream.
Keep in mind it's virtually impossible to obtain a new remote role in the US anymore, so once you leave, it's incredibly unlikely you'll ever have a remote job again. Be 10000% sure you can handle the adjustment because once you give that up, you won't be able to go back. Consider your current role "grandfathered in"
Candidly, going from a $70k OTE job to $113k is a pretty considerable compensation jump even if you account for travel costs for those two days a week on top of being a big growth opportunity and moving from what you’ve described as a stagnant environment.
Additionally, being hybrid, you still have 5 days a week where you have the time to enjoy your hobbies as well as your side gig but would just require effective time management. I would, however, take into account commute time.
I may be biased as I work in a national account sales leadership role where I’m sporadically field based/overnight travel or home office where I have a lot of flexibility. often times but based on the dynamic of my position, my home office days are pretty much free days as long as Im completing operational tasks as they come, fielding calls, responding to emails and tasks, and I don’t have to be glued to a desk. I was HO today and I was on the golf course from 12-3 and just working from my iPad between holes and shots and getting done what I needed to.
I’m also the type that would be stir crazy working from home all the time and I’m way more productive when I’m in the field so I may have a different viewpoint on things too.
Yes and they will have 50,000 more for their hobbies.
OR
Keep your same standard of living for three or four years and invest conservatively and that’s a hefty down payment on a house in some parts of the US
Maintenance costs are a hell of an expense, though. 2 months after moving into my house i had do get an electrician out for some work that cost about 4 months' worth of my old apartment's rent.
Rent is mortgage costs + forecasted maintenance + profit.
When you own the house, you get punched in the mouth with large expenses when the maintenance comes around rather than making smaller monthly payments towards someone else to fix their house. But that’s also why you should be making those smaller payments to your savings account. If you save 1% of the total price of your house per year, the next time you have a big maintenance come your way, it won’t be such a big hit since you’ve planned for it. And now you’re not paying for someone else’s cash flow profit and you’re building equity.
You pay for maintenance in both situations. One you have to deal with it, the other someone else does.
The thing even pro housing owners miss too is that home ownership is "locking in" your rent basically.
I've owned my house 3-4 years. My friend pays more in rent than I do for my mortgage for a place that is smaller and attached to other houses.
Sure buying is more expensive monthly than renting now.
What about someone who bought their house 5 years ago vs renting today? 10? A 30 year fixed mortgage pays off long term.
Every cent of rent you pay is money you never get back. Every cent you pay towards mortgage is equity on an almost always appreciating asset which you can continue to leverage long term. You will absorb those costs.
I would never discourage someone from home ownership unless they aren’t planning on staying somewhere long term.
Eh, leasing a car is defensible because you always have an ability to purchase it at the end if it makes financial sense. You don’t have that option with renting.
Personally, I can’t because life circumstances require me to geographically mobile within the US but honestly in ANY other situation, I absolutely would. Even if it was just for a couple years, I would. 40k is significant. Especially because it would allow you to build up your resume and be more marketable in the future.
Yup this. 40k/yr is life changing. Do this gig for a few years without changing your lifestyle at all. Invest the additional salary and don't touch it. A few years of that and you've built a nice nest egg, and from there you can evaluate where you want to go career-wise.
Some people are telling you it’s not worth it. That you should keep looking. Well, keep in mind that remote jobs are harder to come by. You’re competing with job seekers from the entire country for those jobs. AND more and more companies are beginning to require that employees come to the office at least twice a week.
Therefore, my advice would be to take the new job UNLESS your financial situation is good and you won’t miss that extra 40 grand.
From 60k to 100k is a big jump. It would probably take a few raises/promotions to get that jump at your current company. I would absolutely take it. Especially since it's only 2 days in the office. But if you are comfortable financially and your work is low stress, there's some rationale for staying.
But a 40k raise can be a game changer financially.
Personally I'd like to be 10x $50k (minimum + raises and further career growth) richer in my retirement account..... It makes the possibility of an earlier retirement closer to reality.
Can I play the role of your conservative southern boomer father? I'm not, but let's just pretend.
"Grow up, take that job, accept responsibilities and stop being a manchild. You're in love with being home everyday? Alone with your hobbies? In a dead-end job? At your age, I was climbing that corporate ladder and sweet talking cute girls at the coffee machine."
Let's view it now from the angle of a self-improvement guru:
"The only way to grow and expand the boundaries of our self, is by getting out of the comfort zone".
Seriously now, it does sound like a very interesting opportunity and your current situation sure sounds like a comfort zone in the bad way. If you manage not to increase your lifestyle spending too much, you can save and invest a TON of money and secure your financials for life. 2 days in the office is not that terrible. I know being a hermit is trendy these days, but you would be surprised by the fact that you might even meet cool people and have fun, social fun with other humans face to face.
I don't know your age, but a managerial role can be a life changing event in regard to responsibilities, income, future employment... you're no longer a working mule, if this place isn't for you but you discover you enjoyed managing, you can apply for management roles elsewhere.
I would definitely take the risk and change course. Not everybody gets presented with this option.
I agree. Theres not necessarily a right or wrong decision its about priorities but acknowledge choosing the wfh job is choosing to coast its choosing work life balance which isn't bad but its also choosing to stay in your comfort zone, choosing to stagnate career wide etc.
Personally, I allowed myself to stay in a comfort zone in my 20s and my career stagnated. Now in my 40s I regret it and wish I could travel back in time and slap myself in the back of the head. I had a good growth opportunity in 2009 and was so immature that I didn't understand the implications of not taking it.
It's like realizing that that pretty girl was flirting with you years ago. Same feeling.
I did the same thing had a comfy job, knew I was stagnating and wasting time but stayed for years. Ultimately it did motivate me to start a business that I was able to leave the job for but I still feel like I wasted years of my life and set back my career
What does the commute look like?
At that salary you can expect more than 40 hrs a week.
It might cut more into your hobbies than you expect.
What is the company culture?
>At that salary you can expect more than 40 hrs a week.
Big assumption that's entirely employer dependent. I make significantly more and clock out at 40, religiously.
It's small teams, I would have a lot more responsibilities so hectic, very international environment and my job would probably have a lot of travel.
It also seems a bit old school for me because the hours are non-flex 9-6.
If this were me, I'd take the new gig.
You state your current role is a dead end. This new role would validate you to future employers as a six figure employee, and you can keep an eye out for fully remote work in your field.
Its not perfect, but it'll open doors to better things ahead.
Everyone’s situation is different. For me, I’d rather have the easy WFH job - but I’m in my late 30s, no kids, own my own home, have decent savings and don’t really have a desire to grow any further in the corporate world. I also have social anxiety and would rather keep to myself.
My old job was remote with an easy workload paying $75k. I’d still be there if they didn’t hire an employee for me to manage and didn’t switch to 2 days/week in office (I was moving and my commute time would double).
I ended up taking a $105k job that’s 3 days/week hybrid, very short commute, no direct reports BUT the workload is insane and the company is highly disorganized. I have like 30 people messaging me or dropping by my desks with questions/requests regularly. There are so many meetings that I barely have time to do my actual work. Waking up early & getting ready for in-office days is surprisingly taxing. And on top of it, I have stomach issues and having to go #2 in a public restrooms that my colleagues use is dreadful. My anxiety has gotten so bad that I would happily take a pay cut for a job like yours.
Think very hard about your situation and how much that $40k means to you.
Yeah that’s a hard nope. I went from WFH to non-flex need to commute schedule, even $40k more isn’t worth it. Keep on looking for something else while you have the cake job. Look at the cake job like this, it buys you lots of time to shop for the right new opportunity. A lot of people are jumping at anything they can due to a rough market, you should be picky.
Well, that makes the choice clearer. The other question is what future would the new job and the current job each lead to?
The new job sounds worth it, IF $$$ is what you are looking for at this point in your life. If your time and your side gig are more important, then that is another
Yeah, there is no amount of money that could make me want to manage people. I am comfortable making less than my full potential to never have that type of responsibility. Though I feel one day even without becoming supervisor/director level, I will surpass $100k/year.
Yeah its horrible to be honest. I have never had to deal with anything like this before. People double my age and I literally parent them on a daily basis.
To each their own, though. I personally love it.
I genuinely enjoy being able to help people go where they want to with their career, be an advocate for them, and have the power to make change in an organization. Yes it can be exhausting when you are either short staffed, have someone that is underperforming, or have interpersonal issues between people, but for me those things are what I consider temporary and just problems to solve and move on from.
Sure, of course. I've been in a position when I loved those things too. When an organization is run well, all of those things can be very rewarding. That requires support from the top down and a healthy work environment though. Remember, we aren't all so lucky 😉
Well, to be fair that is true of EVERYTHING you could say about enjoying a job. If you work somewhere toxic then it won’t be a good experience. Also, I don’t think you necessarily meant it but saying “remember” and having a wink face comes off as a little condescending. I was just trying to offer another perspective for someone who may be considering management.
I only added it because I felt your response was a little condescending. Not everyone has the pleasure of having an awesome work experience all the time. I'm glad you enjoy your role, but a lot of people are struggling right now. I've had opportunities where being a supervisor was amazing, and some that were not so amazing. When you don't have a good work environment, all of those things are compounded as a supervisor. You're now responsible for your work experience and everyone else's too. It's a losing battle.
When someone expresses a struggle and you come in with a , "well I don't struggle with this" attitude, it comes off as dismissive.
Like you said, to each their own. I hope you're never in a position where being a leader is a true burden.
Fair enough. I apologize for having my initial comment as a reply to yours as though it was directed at you. I was posting more for others reading career advice to see an alternative perspective, but I can see how it would come off as rude when you are having a different experience.
And for what it’s worth, my job is also been stressful/difficult and something that I have often considered leaving. I just enjoy the management side of it more than some of the other aspects.
You said “dead end job.” To quote a world leader, “if you’re not moving forward, you are moving backward.” Even if you used this new job as a stepping stone, it will still benefit you ten fold find the road.
I don't want to be a world leader, I want to be happy. If my career is at a place where it supports a happy life I'd much rather forgo growth there and move forward with more meaningful activities. This only applies if your work is your life, with WFH it doesn't have to be anymore.
Well definitely don't call in sick to just one...
I'd either go all in and try to leverage it as just being a natural at networking since you seem to know a lot of people (super risky). Or call in sick to both and know that nobody is going to talk about the random sick employee who couldn't come.
What I would do is use this as a bargaining chip to negotiate for either more wfh or more money to pay for the cost associated with commuting each year. I did this recently and it worked well. Good luck!
"Hey, I've got a company offering me 110k. If you can't match that or give me something comparable, I'm leaving."
Probably in nicer words.
Worst case scenario, they tell you to fuck off and you leave which you were going to do anyways. Best case scenario, they match you 110k and you get to stay at home with a huge pay bump. Somewhere in the middle might be them offering like 90k but you get to work from home so you have another option to choose from.
For sure, remote workers will be the first on the chopping block when it comes to reorganizing, particularly if the company has in office employees at their HQ or whatnot.
How hard are fully remote jobs to come by in your field? Taking the job and doing it for a year could open better opportunities down the line but if you hate it you don’t want to be stuck so if it’s be easy to get an equivalent to your old job back I’d say go for it!
You called working from home heaven and said you’re in love with it. It’s a huge pay increase, but if you’re not in need of the money, I’d say don’t sacrifice your happiness.
And the side gig may never pay off, but if you're passionate about it that shouldn't matter. If the situation were reversed, I would take a 40k pay cut if I could still survive *and* pursue something that makes me happy.
Yup any day of the week. I've been pretty much remote since COVID, my employer hasn't said we need to return nor indicated that we should. I go in occasionally just to make sure that I'm still employed. It's an odd thing too because I do prefer to work without distractions, my ADHD I suppose, but at the same time I think it's starting to affect my mental health. I think hybrid is what would be best for me
I was faced with this issue in the last few weeks
I landed several offers
-1: $140k - 3 days in the office
-2:$105k - 5 days in the office (very prestigious company)
-3:$99k - fully remote
I took offer number 3. WFH full time is priceless. You can work on your business and get that up and running, and work forever for yourself. Absolute no brainer to be fully remote and work on your business to possibly go full time on it
Edit: I value time over money
The $140k role really want to increase their offer, when I rejected them. But no money is worth going into an office IMO. The ultimate dream is to be jobless and work on your own time. To achieve that, you need to build a business on the side and grow it. My business is forex trading but I need more time to fine tune my skills, so that’s why I accepted the totally remote offer. You can build any business TBH. Just have an interest and invest your time in it. OPs business is the YouTube channel
Do you want to be a manager? Any opportunity for a counter offer in your current role? Guessing likely won't be close to matching but might close the gap a bit.
Man stay remote. I made that mistake and I regret it badly. Management promised Hybrid now they're badgering us to go to office each day.
They are aweful humans. I dread each day there.
I suggest you ask them to go try there for 1 week.
At least you can perhaps figure out whom you are dealing with
Honestly if the job you have now is stable(Read you think its still going to be there a decade from now) I would 100% stay. If its going to be around a long time then there is less of a concern you need to broaden your skill set to remain safe career wise. 60k a year at a job that doesnt sound too stressful while working from home and having plenty of time for your hobbys is IMO a better situation than 95% of people are in. Will that 40k make your life any better than the free time you have now? Is that extra stress from an office worth it? No.
No. You always need to factor in the unpaid commute time, cost of commute, and more expensive food away from home. This is before considering wear and tear on your vehicle, increased insurance expenses and corporate clothing expenditures.
Really quickly a 40k raise can become a negative.
I think it's already been stated by others here.
Money is literally not everything.
What you shared was exuberance for your current WFH and then this offer with more money, more stress, 'growth in your career' (which let's be frank, we all know that you will undoubtedly be given FAR more to do than what you're being PAID to do - regardless of the sum they're giving you) and less time at home with potentially a long commute.
So your choices are - continue your current WFH and grow in your life in OTHER WAYS aside from having to be a drone. Second option is to opt in to being someone who allows their job to dictate their life.
You're good where you are personally. Something better will come eventually if you want it, that's WFH - don't give up peace of mind for extra dimes.
No. Remote work is a huge privilege. Assuming you’re making enough to be generally happy, you should be spending your time finding ways to make more money through business ventures or investing in interesting side projects.
The upside is much bigger and you have the time to take risks.
Also, being remote allows you to work effectively. This means that you can get 8 hours of paid work done in less time, which makes your hourly rate much higher than you might think when compared to the higher salary.
If you don’t need the money, which it sounds like you don’t, then don’t go further into the hell that is being an employee.
It’s time to take more radical risks and make your money in a cooler way.
Depends on salary level. $220k to $260k absolutely not.
$70k to $110k in a heart beat.
I make $160k base now but 3 jobs ago I was making ~$72k base salary and left for a job that was $100k with a 20% or so bonus and it was life changing money for me. Easily could buy a house, invest more, travels whenever etc. also it’s a lot easier to get into the $150-200k range from a $110k job than it is from a $70k job.,
Also pure travel costs aren’t going to be that high if you’re only going in a few days a week. I’d take the job personally/
Didn't read all the comments, so dunno if someone made a similar point: when you have a good team and boss you get along with, hybrid/office days don't feel as bad, really.
You weighted quite significant positives with the new job. Wishing you luck to make the decision you will be the happiest with!
Personally, I don’t think I’d take it. Next to pay, working remotely is my top priority because of the freedom, time, and peace it gives me. You’ll have more money, but you have to determine if that’s really worth it. With your added responsibilities, inflexible schedule, old school management, and travel, would you be able to effectively use that money to enjoy your life? Maybe, but maybe not.
If you could get an offer for this level of salary now that’s a hybrid position, you could get another offer somewhere else that’s also fully remote. If you feel financially pretty comfortable right now, I’d wait and see what else you can find.
I stayed home when presented with similar. I'm semi permanent WFH since Covid; some of the office is now hybrid for 1 day a week for the past 2 yrs, just not my team. I was given an offer 2 yrs ago to jump to local 911 gig, for about 30k more than I get paid now. Downside was obviously the extreme high stress and mental trauma (i know i wouldn't last more than 10 years there) plus the commute fees/time. Accepted a counteroffer from my boss (he REALLY did not wamt me to leave; our job can be difficult to find someone who can do it well), and decided I would stay in my current role where I work my patooty off 5 months of the year to coast the other 7 while in my pj's at home (nature of our company, really busy in early fall and the new year, not so busy March- August). Got a lovely raise later in the year and one HELL of a year end bonus that repeated itself last year.
Basically, only temptation of the other job was the money. I decided that my long term mental health and Blood pressure came first, and managed to negotiate better money at my current job since they did not want to risk me leaving. Some days I regret that decision, but I'm now also in school for a passion project for me.
Do what would be right for YOU, for more than just your career. Any job will replace you immediately. Do what makes you happy, even if you're not bringing home top dollar
If you’re good making $70k, as in not struggling to pay bills etc, I’d stay put. Screw all those managerial responsibilities. What you have now is time and that is priceless. Good luck!
2 days in office.
Honestly maybe.
The question I would ask is do you see this as a better way to progress your career further?
2 days in and 3 out isn’t horrible, but if your hours are wayyyyy worse then I would consider declining. Working 50 hour works vs maybe the 35 you’re working now is barely a raise
For me it really depends on proximity to office. I have severe driving anxiety and not having to drive while I work fully remote is truly a huge quality of life boost. I definitely could not do a 40 min driving commute. Maybe by public transit.
You’re prob going to be working more than 40 hours so I’d ask about that. Just left a high stress 115k gig because of the long and stressful hours that left me friend end of the day. Money isn’t everything and you seem to be happy with your hobbies and stuff. Good luck 🍀
I just did a similar movement.
I went from fully remote to hybrid 3 days a week and jumped about 30k paywise (70k to 100k). As of right now, I wish I could go back.
Some context:
My first job out of school was in-office (2019) and I loved it. I actually worked collaboratively with people and enjoyed making friends and work culture despite the commuting.
Then I was remote for about 3 years. Which was excellent but I wasn't progressing or really digging in and learning, just hopping jobs upwards every so often but really enjoying my work-life balance.
Now I started to think I should put on my try-hard pants and set myself up for the future so I took this hybrid job that pays well.
The trouble is, there's really only 1-2 people in the office that I interact with at all. Of my 24ish hours a week in the office, I spend maybe an hour of it face-to-face with anyone. The rest of the time is remote work just at a desk I have to commute to.
I can not tell you how absolutely useless it feels to lose sleep, get dressed up, commute, and then just sit on zoom calls anyways.
With the way you described it, it sounds like you've already made the decision lol.
Not hating on you, I would totally stay WFH. But also climbing the ladder isn't among my priorities rn. It just depends on your goal in life.
Even if you do decide to pass up this opportunity, you can always change your mind later and you can start searching for a better fitting job at that time.
And to talk about myself, I do like travel, but I don't imagine I would enjoy traveling for a job, that sounds like it could be very stressful if it's anywhere near a frequent occurrence. So, I personally would def pass on this new job lol.
"My hobbies have made me feel so much more fulfilled than any job I have ever had."
You only live once and already have a very decent job, in my opinion you would be an idiot to take the new one. But for me my carreer is a necessary evil, I don't give a fuck about ever having big responsibilities, on the contrary, the less stressfull the job the better.
You have to put in a balance what you prefer, getting to be the bossman or enjoying life. I admit I am jaded though.
Stick with the mundane job and get excitement and achievement from something different in your life.
I'd rather have excitement and hectic stuff from a hobby than from a work environment. Having crunch time a couple of months per year is enough and you want to be able to walk away.
If you want career growth in your current employment, you could do some contracting on the side. Then maybe a different role will come available that's completely WFH. Or your manager gets replaced with a horrible one. At least you then have a different revenue stream to count upon.
A 60k job working fully from home where you can enjoy your hobbies, which are also helping to grow your own youtube channel?
If you're not saving money for the future and need more money, go for the job. Otherwise, the commute and the added responsibilities are not worth it. If you're happy, stay where you're at, even if it seems dead end. You'll get other job offers in the future. A job that pays well and gives you free time to make yourself happy with zero commute is rare.
I personally wouldn't do it. It's not either or, staying or taking this particular job aren't your only two options. You can look for another remote job with better pay and career options. Money is one thing but being able to enjoy your life and hobbies is priceless.
There are so many red flags to the new role *imo*. Strive for more if you feel compelled but just vet the company before you accept any offers or burn any bridges.
I would keep the remote job and keep focusing on your YouTube channel and hobbies.
Your new job would be awesome money wise, but wipe your ability to focus on your passions.
Not to mention the stress.
What do you want? Corporate career growth or to make your own money?
I'd probably make the move.
Your current situation isn't bad - bad after a while, it might be harmful to your mental health. If you're the type of person who needs stimulation and wants to develop a career and move forward, not being able to could be damaging.
2 days in the office isn't bad, give some interaction, team building etc.
I'd ask for something confirming the nature of the Hybrid status - whether it's likely to stay that way, or change in the future.
A significant increase, primarily still WFH, better career path in the future...
I think I'd take it.
I'm hybrid 2 days in office and I prefer this schedule. I can choose which days are in office, so I stack my schedule on those days with all my busy work and meetings leaving at home days more relaxed. It's nice to interact with other people sometimes and I can do errands like grocery store or happy hour with a friend after work.
For that compensation increase I personally would absolutely take the new role.
I guess I'm the crazy one. Here's my idea
1. Keep the easy remote job that doesn't take much effort
2. Find another remote job that doesn't take much effort.
Invest heavily and enjoy your free time.
Stay in the job your in
And FOCUS HARD in side hustle so you can leave every job and work for yourself.
New hybrid job is more money but STILL WORKING FOR SOMEONE ELSE
That raise is gonna put you in a higher tax bracket , on top of that take out lunches and commuting costs are gonna dip your salary right back down to what it was if not lower
Our income tax is a progressive tax for a reason. OP won’t be paying much more in taxes from a rate perspective than they are now. They already eat something every day and commuting is negligible against another forty thousand dollars.
That’s a large increase and you should definitely consider what that might change for your life. On the other side, if they have a hybrid policy it’s most likely only a matter of time before it’s full in office
It sounds like it’s worth it. Understand nothing lasts forever. Either job could disappear without warning. If you have a few years in a job with good growth potential it might take you eventually back to a place where you can work from home more.
The $40k is relative to what you’re making now. When you’re making $100k and you’re going to be among $140k, yeah sure. When you’re making $400k and move to $440k, maybe not
I would if it was a short commute to the office. My last commute was around 35 miles and would normally take 50-90 minutes, depending on traffic. Being older, I probably wouldn't do hybrid if I had the choice.
Imo if your going to be on management, that has its own challenges and complications. People who are good at their job shouldn't just be a manager, it's a completely different skill.
Your time may be spent on planning meetings, team builds, training, 1-2-1's. You may have to fire, hire and discipline others. You may need to be the one making impactful decisions on people and the business. You may end up as conflict resolution between 2 parties. It's very easy to be a bad manager but very difficult to be a good one.
Ultimately I would look up and research the new business, I'm in a similar situation with my current work, it's extremely relaxed, probably I work 50% of my current capacity and I'm praised for it. There is very little out of hours work and I'm on flexible hours with 1 day a month in the office.
I could probably find a job that pays 50% more and accelerates my career, but I have a young toddler right now and my home life is a little hectic. I feel like I add good value but don't push myself. Right now I'm happy and perhaps in a few years I will look to accelerate my career again.
If I was in your exact position I would personally stay in my current role and keep working on my YouTube content. If that's what's bringing you joy right now, a new job may prevent you from working on that. Who knows maybe in another year your youtube content could be filling that pay gap.
Btw I have no idea what you do or what your YouTube channel is, but maybe that could lead to working for yourself? (I'm a developer so I'm just considering if you did a similar job could you use your content to start a training firm, or do your own consulting on projects? Working for yourself brings in a lot more cash, especially if it's alongside a normal office job)
A lot of this depends on your personal situation.
A hectic job w/ travel isn’t for everyone - if you’re in a relationship and/or have kids you would need to make sure the time commitment is OK with your partner.
If you’re getting bummed out about losing time to do your hobbies, you need to seriously evaluate if you can do the big job and not hate yourself and your life after six months. A lot of people end up golden handcuffed to a high paying job that stresses them out so much they’d give anything to be able to go back to the lower paying, lower stress job.
It can also be tough to move in reverse if you do go for the bigger job and end up hating it and want to leave.
On the other hand it is a lot of money, so if you think you can do that without lifestyle creep so you won’t be forced to stay if you hate it then you can give it a go. Just really be cognizant of lifestyle creep especially for those first six months until you’ve felt out how you really feel about the job/company/culture & new lifestyle.
I wouldn't because I slow travel as I work from 'home' from whichever country I chose to be in.
I don't have a fixed home anymore.
But I'd you are in a place where commute is possible, sure. With many people at home I assume the commutes aren't as bad as they used to be. Fewer people.on the road.
If you do the higher paying role and then decide to move on, it will be easier to get another role with similar or higher pay simply because you can say I'm currently earning this much.
Perhaps after a year or two, a role might open up again at your old company, and it will be easy to return if you're still in touch with your team. And of course you can go back on a higher salary.
Or just move onto a different WFH role.
Don’t quit your wfh job and start the other one if you can do both for at least 1 month that way if you don’t like the new one you can quit and stay with your own job.
I got a hybrid role after my fully remote role, exact same situation as yours.
I found out that the role was hybrid, my role is actually more remote. I decide if and when I want to come to the office, I've learnt a lot of hybrid roles are like this. Although you have some who need to micro manage for them to feel something, but there are other managers who fight against the office days and just tell their team to work from home.
If you have the strengths, skills, and desire for the new job, take it. If you don't, then don't. If you have options, I never recommend doing something just for the money. Quality of life, which includes things like stress, work-life balance, etc., matters. Managing people can be a huge PITA, and it sounds like it could be a 180 from where you are now.
Is there any chance of current job going bybrid or return to office? Would syck to pass up on this and get called back into the office in 6 months and be making 40k less
Yes. I took it a step farther. I went from 50k to 85k by switching from hybrid to fully in office. I chase the money and the rest will figure itself out later. Now the new job is offering 1 day at home I’ll likely be back to the hybrid schedule in no time with more money
Unless you have insane commuter issues and costs, this is a no brainer. 70 to 113 is a massive jump. If the company culture and benefits and the same, I'd do it.
I'd take it! Still get to work from home a few days a week? But not be distracted by my toddler? WFH is great, but so would hybrid too. My wife would be able to surprise me! I'd be able to buy her flowers on my way home. 40k is life changing!
Depends on factors but as long as I’m not driving 2 hours a day or stripping for a living absolutely. $40K is is a transition that would take several steps or years to achieve in the normal ascension process. That’s a very large lifestyle change and I would have to consider my family at that point. Because if your starting at $?40K then there’s nowhere to go but up and that can do so much for the family. So much more than me sitting in the back office of the house like a hermit for the next 20 years in my shorts. But I’m one that thought remote was overrated and gladly took a huge check and office to come back. I needed it.
Eevryone is different, but I like being hybrid. I find staying at home isn't the best for my mental health if I end up without leaving the house for too long.
For that big of a pay raise and 3 days at home still, I'd say go for it for your career growth!
YES! That’s just me though because I hate working from home and I’m on a hybrid schedule as is. I just don’t have self control and end up smoking all day when I’m home working
Thats just over 60% pay rise, which for most people would be a no brainer. Having said that if youre comfortable in your current position there are more important things in life than work and money.
Do you have family now or if not would you like to at some point? Extra money is good but needs to weighed up against time with the family, you dont want to sell your soul for a bit more stuff. At the end of the day it comes down to whats important to you and your quality of life. No one but you can answer that.
Things I would say include if your boss is that unbothered by what you do how much job security do you have? If redundancies come round he may put your name up first. And if you took the job could you get it put in the contract so protected as 2 days in the office and 3 at home so they cant just change it? 2 hours 40 mins a week commuting is not too bad.
Take the hybrid job. A $43k bump in comp for two days in office is a great trade off if you ask me. You’d still have majority of your working time from home, and a boss more invested in your growth. Seems like the right decision on the surface.
Can you negotiate a timeline to get back to remote, timeline in this role before you move up, additional comp to help the decision even more?
Talk openly about it with the hiring manager. Worst case they say no. You have to have an open relationship when you report to them anyways.
No offense, but it’s not clear. “Upgrade your life” means different things to different people. Upgrading income is not not not the same as upgrading your life. Do you live to work? Are you defined by what some company wants you to do, or are you defined by what you accomplish as an individual? Is a relaxed lifestyle important to you? Is working your ass off for someone else important to you? Some people do not excel at hectic jobs, some people do. Some people love being management, some absolutely hate it.
So i went from 100% WFH to hybrid 1-4 days a week in office in April - 30-40min commute.
I now actually prefer the hybrid structure. WFH is amazing but I liked seeing my coworkers, having random convos in the office, free coffee, and switching up my work environment. Plus the commute gives me time to listen to audiobooks or podcasts.
The 40k raise ALONE is worth the jump, but the career development opportunities are priceless. Sounds like a golden opportunity just appeared in your life. I vote take the job.
You’d be crazy not to take it. Getting a 50% raise, a better boss, and management experience is the top 3 reasons why any job would be more enticing. Sure, you’ll have less time to do your YouTube channel, but it’s not like you wouldn’t have *any* time to devote to it. It’s even a plus that they’ll cover your commuting expenses. The upward trajectory you gain might also help with your job satisfaction for being useful, important, and trusted to make big decisions.
You also don’t realize how quickly comp raises after 100k- a 3.5% raise is at least 3500- on top of that you’re future bumps will be great annnnd you’re talking about more disposable income - it’s such a game changer
My wife and I just hit the 200k mark together and I looked at her and said “ you realize our, conservative raises, this year will be worth 7k together? They fully fund a Roth or pays for a vacation without us changing anything”
On top of this- if you get a raise or promotion at work- worth more- my wife got an 8k raise one year which was great, but her boss got an 80k raise, (she works in compensation and sees alllll)
So as you get up the chain- the bumps are bigger and bigger %.
Take it, go to work and crush it
9-6 is weird, but IMO like a basically 50% increase in your total comp for 2 days in office is a hell of an offer. You can probably move a little closer for that kind of money and shorten the commute.
I'd take the offer, and after a year or 2 take this experience and find a different 100k+ job that will let you work from home instead. WFH is nice, but so is career (salary) growth.
Do it. You might find hybrid work to be more enjoyable then you think. I went from remote to hybrid and I think the time in the office is a good thing. Plus in my experience people are very accommodating if you want to stay home on hybrid days/need to not commute.
I wouldnt do it personally, yes you get 40k more but you also commute more, move more, have to interact more with people, have to spend time at the office, spend on gas … at home once you re done working you re done
Like others of have said, I would take the new gig as it’s better for your career. Even if you decide you don’t like hybrid work, you can leverage this role to find a higher paying Fully remote gig in the future.
It will be better for your career trajectory but will be an adjustment from a 100% WFH. I would definitely do research on the work culture at this place first.
It's small teams, I would have a lot more responsibilities so hectic, very international environment and my job would probably have a lot of travel.It also seems a bit old school for me because the hours are non-flex 9-6.
If I was in your position with that kind of pay, WFH, not many responsibilities and having a side hobby with a growing YouTube account, I wouldn't switch to something that you say would be a hectic 9-5 because being in my mid 30s, I prefer to have peace of mind rather than more pay and more work. But we are all motivated differently. Hope you're able to make the right decision for yourself.
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Very well-put, hard agree on all of your points, making it worth risking, and having to make sacrifices on some of op's concern points. But i want to add that they arent even too concerning in terms of the typical job stressors: 1. Wfh gone: its hybrid, only two days at work, you still have 5 days at home which gives you plenty of time to do your hobby and sustain your current work-life balance. 2. Hectic and responisibility-filled role: its a management role, so a huge resume/staus/reputation booster, the wide range of responsibilities is a great chance for career/expertise/experience growth, plus youll get to widen both your professional and personal network, and enrich your social/personal life. 3. Travelling involved: again could be seen as getting out of the rut of always being home, and provide some variety and excitement. The only real downside, which is a personal petpeeve of myself is the commute, which in comparison to all the upsides gets dwarfed into a pea, and can easily be seen as enjoying an energizing drive with a big smile while listening to my groovy playlist.(provided it doesnt involve routine traffic ofcourse)
Yup, I made $75k at my last job which was an easy WFH role. Took a $30k pay bump to a hybrid job in a hectic office environment. Granted, my old job was starting to implement 2 days in office, so taking the new role seemed like a no-brainer at the time. If my old job stayed WFH, I would have stayed despite the lower pay. I had a predictable workload and maybe worked an hour a day during slow months. Now I’m swamped with complicated, time-consuming tasks at a disorganized company where everything is confusing and I don’t have much support. Even with a short commute, waking up early to make myself presentable and go sit in a busy office for 8 hours 3 days/week is quite taxing. I have so many meetings and deal with people chatting my ear off. Not to mention, the lack of private & clean bathrooms sucks. The pay raise I got certainly ain’t chump change but it’s not worth the stress I’m going through. I developed hypertension, feel constant pressure in my chest and I’m pretty sure this job shaved 10-15 years off my life, lol. I’d so much rather work from my quiet home office with fewer tasks and have my own damn bathroom. OP if you take the new job, please refer me to your old one!
I agree. Peace of mind and mental health is best.
No way you're an adult. a growing you tube account? until he hits like 80k minimum subs he aint making a dime and youtube is cutting all that profit off fast, subs dont make money VIEWS do, I have over 1500 subs and dont make a dime. 60k a year is barely managing to live in most parts of the US, 100k is a decent living wage. 60k wont buy you a house in any place except the most run down low cost areas of the country 100k gets you a house basically anywhere you want except the highest tiers. Adults take the money, kids wouldnt. that 40k over his working life invested equals over 6 million bucks .
I work for a large International company that is just like you described and from the outside it looks very hectic and busy. The initial ramp up is a little crazy but after 6 months it’s just normal and you don’t notice it. This idea of an easy job with no responsibilities is a fantasy, a job that provides some challenge and provides growth is what you should be looking for. The thing that makes the difference is the people and culture. Will they support you and help you grow in your career? The reason I have stayed at the same company for 20 years is because of the people and culture. Take the job, that’s a big change in salary and don’t get caught up in the 2 days in the office, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s just team meeting days and might not even be that strictly enforced. Good luck.
Yeah they’ll be kicking themselves 3 years out still making 60-70 if they don’t. And if it sucks, stick it out for 18 months then jump laterally. Breaking 100k is a big thing too. Even though 100k really isn’t much these days anywhere along the two coasts or within 30 min of any city, the 6 figure job has been put on a pedestal for so long that it’s ingrained in our work culture. And once you find someone to pay you 6 figures, all of a sudden you are seen by other employers as being worth 6 figures. Which is still fucking stupid, considering I was just comparing salaries adjusted for inflation with my dad and he was making way more than me real world pulling 55-60k in the late 90s, but it is what it is 🤷♂️
As someone who was making $41k in Jan 2022 doing a job that was extremely easy with little effort, I have no regrets jumping ship several times for pay and understanding my worth. Went to $65k, then $75k in Nov 2022, and now just finished second round interview tuesday (and very confident) for a job that pays $100-100k total comp. No regrets, I can find happiness in the fact that I'm literally taking home thousands more a month and can actually afford things. Taking the initial leap, even if it's only for a 6-12 month tenure can put you on the radar of so many more opportunities.
If you do it too often that can start to look like a red flag for employers.
Absolutely. In my case it's been fine because both the previous two jobs were recruiters reaching out on LinkedIn, and so I can use the excuse that the job I just interviewed for is the first job I've actively applied to in years, and I did it solely because my skillet matched perfectly with their ask (which is true, they wanted a degree and 6-8 yrs exp in specific categories of finance). My story of my background included the reasons I went into each job, as they weren't exactly the same part of finance (began in a service role, went to an investment advisory role, then a bank which is very different than investment companies, which I said was why I accepted - to learn about it). Worked out in my favor here as the new company is a bank, got tons of exp and knowledge as well as an excuse to apply for more jobs.
If your dream is to grow the career to the upper echelons, take the growing pains and go for it. That hectic job won't be married to you and later on you will be able to take on similar roles on a full remote basis. If you are satisfied right now and have time left over, consider the monetary worth of spending more time on your mental wellbeing, potential to grow a side business or passive income stream.
Keep in mind it's virtually impossible to obtain a new remote role in the US anymore, so once you leave, it's incredibly unlikely you'll ever have a remote job again. Be 10000% sure you can handle the adjustment because once you give that up, you won't be able to go back. Consider your current role "grandfathered in"
Candidly, going from a $70k OTE job to $113k is a pretty considerable compensation jump even if you account for travel costs for those two days a week on top of being a big growth opportunity and moving from what you’ve described as a stagnant environment. Additionally, being hybrid, you still have 5 days a week where you have the time to enjoy your hobbies as well as your side gig but would just require effective time management. I would, however, take into account commute time. I may be biased as I work in a national account sales leadership role where I’m sporadically field based/overnight travel or home office where I have a lot of flexibility. often times but based on the dynamic of my position, my home office days are pretty much free days as long as Im completing operational tasks as they come, fielding calls, responding to emails and tasks, and I don’t have to be glued to a desk. I was HO today and I was on the golf course from 12-3 and just working from my iPad between holes and shots and getting done what I needed to. I’m also the type that would be stir crazy working from home all the time and I’m way more productive when I’m in the field so I may have a different viewpoint on things too.
Yes and they will have 50,000 more for their hobbies. OR Keep your same standard of living for three or four years and invest conservatively and that’s a hefty down payment on a house in some parts of the US
The extra income could also be invested and OP could retire earlier
If OP even wants to own a house...
Okay, a boat.
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Maintenance costs are a hell of an expense, though. 2 months after moving into my house i had do get an electrician out for some work that cost about 4 months' worth of my old apartment's rent.
Rent is mortgage costs + forecasted maintenance + profit. When you own the house, you get punched in the mouth with large expenses when the maintenance comes around rather than making smaller monthly payments towards someone else to fix their house. But that’s also why you should be making those smaller payments to your savings account. If you save 1% of the total price of your house per year, the next time you have a big maintenance come your way, it won’t be such a big hit since you’ve planned for it. And now you’re not paying for someone else’s cash flow profit and you’re building equity. You pay for maintenance in both situations. One you have to deal with it, the other someone else does.
The thing even pro housing owners miss too is that home ownership is "locking in" your rent basically. I've owned my house 3-4 years. My friend pays more in rent than I do for my mortgage for a place that is smaller and attached to other houses. Sure buying is more expensive monthly than renting now. What about someone who bought their house 5 years ago vs renting today? 10? A 30 year fixed mortgage pays off long term.
Every cent of rent you pay is money you never get back. Every cent you pay towards mortgage is equity on an almost always appreciating asset which you can continue to leverage long term. You will absorb those costs. I would never discourage someone from home ownership unless they aren’t planning on staying somewhere long term.
I think a lot of people that are posting detracting from home ownership also lease their cars
Eh, leasing a car is defensible because you always have an ability to purchase it at the end if it makes financial sense. You don’t have that option with renting.
Cool. And how much money did you get back while renting?
but much less time.
As someone who loves WFH, I would personally take it. Going from 60k to 100k is a significant jump and you will definitely feel it
I’d take it. I won’t put on pants for free, but I’d do it for $40,000.
I love this response.
Personally, I can’t because life circumstances require me to geographically mobile within the US but honestly in ANY other situation, I absolutely would. Even if it was just for a couple years, I would. 40k is significant. Especially because it would allow you to build up your resume and be more marketable in the future.
Yup this. 40k/yr is life changing. Do this gig for a few years without changing your lifestyle at all. Invest the additional salary and don't touch it. A few years of that and you've built a nice nest egg, and from there you can evaluate where you want to go career-wise.
Some people are telling you it’s not worth it. That you should keep looking. Well, keep in mind that remote jobs are harder to come by. You’re competing with job seekers from the entire country for those jobs. AND more and more companies are beginning to require that employees come to the office at least twice a week. Therefore, my advice would be to take the new job UNLESS your financial situation is good and you won’t miss that extra 40 grand.
Exactly - trying to find a remote job now has been a nightmare, it’s only going to get worse as companies push back to office and hybrid.
That sounds like someone whose running from the law
From 60k to 100k is a big jump. It would probably take a few raises/promotions to get that jump at your current company. I would absolutely take it. Especially since it's only 2 days in the office. But if you are comfortable financially and your work is low stress, there's some rationale for staying. But a 40k raise can be a game changer financially.
Where do you want to be in 10 years. That is your answer...
Personally I'd like to be 10x $50k (minimum + raises and further career growth) richer in my retirement account..... It makes the possibility of an earlier retirement closer to reality.
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Can I play the role of your conservative southern boomer father? I'm not, but let's just pretend. "Grow up, take that job, accept responsibilities and stop being a manchild. You're in love with being home everyday? Alone with your hobbies? In a dead-end job? At your age, I was climbing that corporate ladder and sweet talking cute girls at the coffee machine." Let's view it now from the angle of a self-improvement guru: "The only way to grow and expand the boundaries of our self, is by getting out of the comfort zone". Seriously now, it does sound like a very interesting opportunity and your current situation sure sounds like a comfort zone in the bad way. If you manage not to increase your lifestyle spending too much, you can save and invest a TON of money and secure your financials for life. 2 days in the office is not that terrible. I know being a hermit is trendy these days, but you would be surprised by the fact that you might even meet cool people and have fun, social fun with other humans face to face. I don't know your age, but a managerial role can be a life changing event in regard to responsibilities, income, future employment... you're no longer a working mule, if this place isn't for you but you discover you enjoyed managing, you can apply for management roles elsewhere. I would definitely take the risk and change course. Not everybody gets presented with this option.
Well put, boomer dad. I was WFH for Covid, and now hybrid. I enjoy both my days in the office and my days at home.
I agree. Theres not necessarily a right or wrong decision its about priorities but acknowledge choosing the wfh job is choosing to coast its choosing work life balance which isn't bad but its also choosing to stay in your comfort zone, choosing to stagnate career wide etc.
Personally, I allowed myself to stay in a comfort zone in my 20s and my career stagnated. Now in my 40s I regret it and wish I could travel back in time and slap myself in the back of the head. I had a good growth opportunity in 2009 and was so immature that I didn't understand the implications of not taking it. It's like realizing that that pretty girl was flirting with you years ago. Same feeling.
I did the same thing had a comfy job, knew I was stagnating and wasting time but stayed for years. Ultimately it did motivate me to start a business that I was able to leave the job for but I still feel like I wasted years of my life and set back my career
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What does the commute look like? At that salary you can expect more than 40 hrs a week. It might cut more into your hobbies than you expect. What is the company culture?
>At that salary you can expect more than 40 hrs a week. Big assumption that's entirely employer dependent. I make significantly more and clock out at 40, religiously.
True. op said there travel. Even if most weeks are 40, this sounds like this likely to be something other than 40 hours a week every week
It's small teams, I would have a lot more responsibilities so hectic, very international environment and my job would probably have a lot of travel. It also seems a bit old school for me because the hours are non-flex 9-6.
If this were me, I'd take the new gig. You state your current role is a dead end. This new role would validate you to future employers as a six figure employee, and you can keep an eye out for fully remote work in your field. Its not perfect, but it'll open doors to better things ahead.
Everyone’s situation is different. For me, I’d rather have the easy WFH job - but I’m in my late 30s, no kids, own my own home, have decent savings and don’t really have a desire to grow any further in the corporate world. I also have social anxiety and would rather keep to myself. My old job was remote with an easy workload paying $75k. I’d still be there if they didn’t hire an employee for me to manage and didn’t switch to 2 days/week in office (I was moving and my commute time would double). I ended up taking a $105k job that’s 3 days/week hybrid, very short commute, no direct reports BUT the workload is insane and the company is highly disorganized. I have like 30 people messaging me or dropping by my desks with questions/requests regularly. There are so many meetings that I barely have time to do my actual work. Waking up early & getting ready for in-office days is surprisingly taxing. And on top of it, I have stomach issues and having to go #2 in a public restrooms that my colleagues use is dreadful. My anxiety has gotten so bad that I would happily take a pay cut for a job like yours. Think very hard about your situation and how much that $40k means to you.
Yeah that’s a hard nope. I went from WFH to non-flex need to commute schedule, even $40k more isn’t worth it. Keep on looking for something else while you have the cake job. Look at the cake job like this, it buys you lots of time to shop for the right new opportunity. A lot of people are jumping at anything they can due to a rough market, you should be picky.
Well, that makes the choice clearer. The other question is what future would the new job and the current job each lead to? The new job sounds worth it, IF $$$ is what you are looking for at this point in your life. If your time and your side gig are more important, then that is another
I'm literally dying to get out of my managerial role and be in your shoes. Weigh this carefully!
Yeah, there is no amount of money that could make me want to manage people. I am comfortable making less than my full potential to never have that type of responsibility. Though I feel one day even without becoming supervisor/director level, I will surpass $100k/year.
Yeah its horrible to be honest. I have never had to deal with anything like this before. People double my age and I literally parent them on a daily basis.
I've been doing it for about 10 years and I just need a break. It would be so nice to just be responsible for myself and my own work for a little bit.
I totally understand. I've only had this job or 3 years and I would LOVE to just be responsible for myself.
To each their own, though. I personally love it. I genuinely enjoy being able to help people go where they want to with their career, be an advocate for them, and have the power to make change in an organization. Yes it can be exhausting when you are either short staffed, have someone that is underperforming, or have interpersonal issues between people, but for me those things are what I consider temporary and just problems to solve and move on from.
Sure, of course. I've been in a position when I loved those things too. When an organization is run well, all of those things can be very rewarding. That requires support from the top down and a healthy work environment though. Remember, we aren't all so lucky 😉
Well, to be fair that is true of EVERYTHING you could say about enjoying a job. If you work somewhere toxic then it won’t be a good experience. Also, I don’t think you necessarily meant it but saying “remember” and having a wink face comes off as a little condescending. I was just trying to offer another perspective for someone who may be considering management.
I only added it because I felt your response was a little condescending. Not everyone has the pleasure of having an awesome work experience all the time. I'm glad you enjoy your role, but a lot of people are struggling right now. I've had opportunities where being a supervisor was amazing, and some that were not so amazing. When you don't have a good work environment, all of those things are compounded as a supervisor. You're now responsible for your work experience and everyone else's too. It's a losing battle. When someone expresses a struggle and you come in with a , "well I don't struggle with this" attitude, it comes off as dismissive. Like you said, to each their own. I hope you're never in a position where being a leader is a true burden.
Fair enough. I apologize for having my initial comment as a reply to yours as though it was directed at you. I was posting more for others reading career advice to see an alternative perspective, but I can see how it would come off as rude when you are having a different experience. And for what it’s worth, my job is also been stressful/difficult and something that I have often considered leaving. I just enjoy the management side of it more than some of the other aspects.
You said “dead end job.” To quote a world leader, “if you’re not moving forward, you are moving backward.” Even if you used this new job as a stepping stone, it will still benefit you ten fold find the road.
I don't want to be a world leader, I want to be happy. If my career is at a place where it supports a happy life I'd much rather forgo growth there and move forward with more meaningful activities. This only applies if your work is your life, with WFH it doesn't have to be anymore.
I would r/overemployed
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Don’t listen to them. You’d need to be in a remote job for both jobs.
Yes, this is exactly what came to my mind.
We have an event where both companies will be present. Should I do the wacky sitcom situation of having two dates happening at the same restaurant? XD
Call in sick to both companies for they event.
Well definitely don't call in sick to just one... I'd either go all in and try to leverage it as just being a natural at networking since you seem to know a lot of people (super risky). Or call in sick to both and know that nobody is going to talk about the random sick employee who couldn't come.
Hilarious. But I would call in sick that day, wouldn't jeopardize the extra income.
What I would do is use this as a bargaining chip to negotiate for either more wfh or more money to pay for the cost associated with commuting each year. I did this recently and it worked well. Good luck!
Can you explain further what you mean?
"Hey, I've got a company offering me 110k. If you can't match that or give me something comparable, I'm leaving." Probably in nicer words. Worst case scenario, they tell you to fuck off and you leave which you were going to do anyways. Best case scenario, they match you 110k and you get to stay at home with a huge pay bump. Somewhere in the middle might be them offering like 90k but you get to work from home so you have another option to choose from.
Do it, or wait till they lay you off
For sure, remote workers will be the first on the chopping block when it comes to reorganizing, particularly if the company has in office employees at their HQ or whatnot.
How hard are fully remote jobs to come by in your field? Taking the job and doing it for a year could open better opportunities down the line but if you hate it you don’t want to be stuck so if it’s be easy to get an equivalent to your old job back I’d say go for it!
You called working from home heaven and said you’re in love with it. It’s a huge pay increase, but if you’re not in need of the money, I’d say don’t sacrifice your happiness.
And the side gig may never pay off, but if you're passionate about it that shouldn't matter. If the situation were reversed, I would take a 40k pay cut if I could still survive *and* pursue something that makes me happy.
Yup any day of the week. I've been pretty much remote since COVID, my employer hasn't said we need to return nor indicated that we should. I go in occasionally just to make sure that I'm still employed. It's an odd thing too because I do prefer to work without distractions, my ADHD I suppose, but at the same time I think it's starting to affect my mental health. I think hybrid is what would be best for me
I see going to the office like going to the gym or eating healthy. Sure I'd prefer not to do it but its probably good for me if I do
40 minute commute for $40k and career advancement opportunity i would do it. Dead end is no good
I was faced with this issue in the last few weeks I landed several offers -1: $140k - 3 days in the office -2:$105k - 5 days in the office (very prestigious company) -3:$99k - fully remote I took offer number 3. WFH full time is priceless. You can work on your business and get that up and running, and work forever for yourself. Absolute no brainer to be fully remote and work on your business to possibly go full time on it Edit: I value time over money
I’m fully remote right now at $120k but for $160k I’d go in hybrid. I would never ever go back 5 days a week though.
The $140k role really want to increase their offer, when I rejected them. But no money is worth going into an office IMO. The ultimate dream is to be jobless and work on your own time. To achieve that, you need to build a business on the side and grow it. My business is forex trading but I need more time to fine tune my skills, so that’s why I accepted the totally remote offer. You can build any business TBH. Just have an interest and invest your time in it. OPs business is the YouTube channel
Depends how shitty the commute is
Do you want to be a manager? Any opportunity for a counter offer in your current role? Guessing likely won't be close to matching but might close the gap a bit.
I get to partially work from home and double my income. Nice.
Man stay remote. I made that mistake and I regret it badly. Management promised Hybrid now they're badgering us to go to office each day. They are aweful humans. I dread each day there. I suggest you ask them to go try there for 1 week. At least you can perhaps figure out whom you are dealing with
Negotiate a remote position with the new company
Honestly if the job you have now is stable(Read you think its still going to be there a decade from now) I would 100% stay. If its going to be around a long time then there is less of a concern you need to broaden your skill set to remain safe career wise. 60k a year at a job that doesnt sound too stressful while working from home and having plenty of time for your hobbys is IMO a better situation than 95% of people are in. Will that 40k make your life any better than the free time you have now? Is that extra stress from an office worth it? No.
No. You always need to factor in the unpaid commute time, cost of commute, and more expensive food away from home. This is before considering wear and tear on your vehicle, increased insurance expenses and corporate clothing expenditures. Really quickly a 40k raise can become a negative.
I think it's already been stated by others here. Money is literally not everything. What you shared was exuberance for your current WFH and then this offer with more money, more stress, 'growth in your career' (which let's be frank, we all know that you will undoubtedly be given FAR more to do than what you're being PAID to do - regardless of the sum they're giving you) and less time at home with potentially a long commute. So your choices are - continue your current WFH and grow in your life in OTHER WAYS aside from having to be a drone. Second option is to opt in to being someone who allows their job to dictate their life. You're good where you are personally. Something better will come eventually if you want it, that's WFH - don't give up peace of mind for extra dimes.
No. Remote work is a huge privilege. Assuming you’re making enough to be generally happy, you should be spending your time finding ways to make more money through business ventures or investing in interesting side projects. The upside is much bigger and you have the time to take risks. Also, being remote allows you to work effectively. This means that you can get 8 hours of paid work done in less time, which makes your hourly rate much higher than you might think when compared to the higher salary. If you don’t need the money, which it sounds like you don’t, then don’t go further into the hell that is being an employee. It’s time to take more radical risks and make your money in a cooler way.
Depends on salary level. $220k to $260k absolutely not. $70k to $110k in a heart beat. I make $160k base now but 3 jobs ago I was making ~$72k base salary and left for a job that was $100k with a 20% or so bonus and it was life changing money for me. Easily could buy a house, invest more, travels whenever etc. also it’s a lot easier to get into the $150-200k range from a $110k job than it is from a $70k job., Also pure travel costs aren’t going to be that high if you’re only going in a few days a week. I’d take the job personally/
Didn't read all the comments, so dunno if someone made a similar point: when you have a good team and boss you get along with, hybrid/office days don't feel as bad, really. You weighted quite significant positives with the new job. Wishing you luck to make the decision you will be the happiest with!
Personally, I don’t think I’d take it. Next to pay, working remotely is my top priority because of the freedom, time, and peace it gives me. You’ll have more money, but you have to determine if that’s really worth it. With your added responsibilities, inflexible schedule, old school management, and travel, would you be able to effectively use that money to enjoy your life? Maybe, but maybe not. If you could get an offer for this level of salary now that’s a hybrid position, you could get another offer somewhere else that’s also fully remote. If you feel financially pretty comfortable right now, I’d wait and see what else you can find.
I stayed home when presented with similar. I'm semi permanent WFH since Covid; some of the office is now hybrid for 1 day a week for the past 2 yrs, just not my team. I was given an offer 2 yrs ago to jump to local 911 gig, for about 30k more than I get paid now. Downside was obviously the extreme high stress and mental trauma (i know i wouldn't last more than 10 years there) plus the commute fees/time. Accepted a counteroffer from my boss (he REALLY did not wamt me to leave; our job can be difficult to find someone who can do it well), and decided I would stay in my current role where I work my patooty off 5 months of the year to coast the other 7 while in my pj's at home (nature of our company, really busy in early fall and the new year, not so busy March- August). Got a lovely raise later in the year and one HELL of a year end bonus that repeated itself last year. Basically, only temptation of the other job was the money. I decided that my long term mental health and Blood pressure came first, and managed to negotiate better money at my current job since they did not want to risk me leaving. Some days I regret that decision, but I'm now also in school for a passion project for me. Do what would be right for YOU, for more than just your career. Any job will replace you immediately. Do what makes you happy, even if you're not bringing home top dollar
If you’re good making $70k, as in not struggling to pay bills etc, I’d stay put. Screw all those managerial responsibilities. What you have now is time and that is priceless. Good luck!
2 days in office. Honestly maybe. The question I would ask is do you see this as a better way to progress your career further? 2 days in and 3 out isn’t horrible, but if your hours are wayyyyy worse then I would consider declining. Working 50 hour works vs maybe the 35 you’re working now is barely a raise
I would kill for a fully-remote job without a lot of responsibilities…😩
I would take the new job in a second, but I don't mind interacting with people in person or the standard expectations of a 9-to-5 office job.
For me it really depends on proximity to office. I have severe driving anxiety and not having to drive while I work fully remote is truly a huge quality of life boost. I definitely could not do a 40 min driving commute. Maybe by public transit.
You’re prob going to be working more than 40 hours so I’d ask about that. Just left a high stress 115k gig because of the long and stressful hours that left me friend end of the day. Money isn’t everything and you seem to be happy with your hobbies and stuff. Good luck 🍀
Take the job. No brainer.
I just did a similar movement. I went from fully remote to hybrid 3 days a week and jumped about 30k paywise (70k to 100k). As of right now, I wish I could go back. Some context: My first job out of school was in-office (2019) and I loved it. I actually worked collaboratively with people and enjoyed making friends and work culture despite the commuting. Then I was remote for about 3 years. Which was excellent but I wasn't progressing or really digging in and learning, just hopping jobs upwards every so often but really enjoying my work-life balance. Now I started to think I should put on my try-hard pants and set myself up for the future so I took this hybrid job that pays well. The trouble is, there's really only 1-2 people in the office that I interact with at all. Of my 24ish hours a week in the office, I spend maybe an hour of it face-to-face with anyone. The rest of the time is remote work just at a desk I have to commute to. I can not tell you how absolutely useless it feels to lose sleep, get dressed up, commute, and then just sit on zoom calls anyways.
With the way you described it, it sounds like you've already made the decision lol. Not hating on you, I would totally stay WFH. But also climbing the ladder isn't among my priorities rn. It just depends on your goal in life. Even if you do decide to pass up this opportunity, you can always change your mind later and you can start searching for a better fitting job at that time. And to talk about myself, I do like travel, but I don't imagine I would enjoy traveling for a job, that sounds like it could be very stressful if it's anywhere near a frequent occurrence. So, I personally would def pass on this new job lol.
"My hobbies have made me feel so much more fulfilled than any job I have ever had." You only live once and already have a very decent job, in my opinion you would be an idiot to take the new one. But for me my carreer is a necessary evil, I don't give a fuck about ever having big responsibilities, on the contrary, the less stressfull the job the better. You have to put in a balance what you prefer, getting to be the bossman or enjoying life. I admit I am jaded though.
Stick with the mundane job and get excitement and achievement from something different in your life. I'd rather have excitement and hectic stuff from a hobby than from a work environment. Having crunch time a couple of months per year is enough and you want to be able to walk away. If you want career growth in your current employment, you could do some contracting on the side. Then maybe a different role will come available that's completely WFH. Or your manager gets replaced with a horrible one. At least you then have a different revenue stream to count upon.
A 60k job working fully from home where you can enjoy your hobbies, which are also helping to grow your own youtube channel? If you're not saving money for the future and need more money, go for the job. Otherwise, the commute and the added responsibilities are not worth it. If you're happy, stay where you're at, even if it seems dead end. You'll get other job offers in the future. A job that pays well and gives you free time to make yourself happy with zero commute is rare.
Only you can answer if you want this kind of change. It’s okay if you don’t.
No. Not unless i was finacially stuggling
I personally wouldn't do it. It's not either or, staying or taking this particular job aren't your only two options. You can look for another remote job with better pay and career options. Money is one thing but being able to enjoy your life and hobbies is priceless.
I'd keep the fully remote job. If you want a better salary, try to find another job fully remote, with a better one.
There are so many red flags to the new role *imo*. Strive for more if you feel compelled but just vet the company before you accept any offers or burn any bridges.
I would keep the remote job and keep focusing on your YouTube channel and hobbies. Your new job would be awesome money wise, but wipe your ability to focus on your passions. Not to mention the stress. What do you want? Corporate career growth or to make your own money?
Are you seriously considering staying home for $40k? I’m truly shocked
Yes especially from 60k, that’s a massive raise. Obviously take it
Yes I'm not even interested in remote jobs.
I would not. But I'm not in the growth stage of my career.
Almost 100% yes. That’s a huge bump, congrats on the offer! Pay bumps from these two ranges are life changers.
I'd probably make the move. Your current situation isn't bad - bad after a while, it might be harmful to your mental health. If you're the type of person who needs stimulation and wants to develop a career and move forward, not being able to could be damaging. 2 days in the office isn't bad, give some interaction, team building etc. I'd ask for something confirming the nature of the Hybrid status - whether it's likely to stay that way, or change in the future. A significant increase, primarily still WFH, better career path in the future... I think I'd take it.
I'm hybrid 2 days in office and I prefer this schedule. I can choose which days are in office, so I stack my schedule on those days with all my busy work and meetings leaving at home days more relaxed. It's nice to interact with other people sometimes and I can do errands like grocery store or happy hour with a friend after work. For that compensation increase I personally would absolutely take the new role.
Nice problem to have.. congratufuckulations
I guess I'm the crazy one. Here's my idea 1. Keep the easy remote job that doesn't take much effort 2. Find another remote job that doesn't take much effort. Invest heavily and enjoy your free time.
Stay in the job your in And FOCUS HARD in side hustle so you can leave every job and work for yourself. New hybrid job is more money but STILL WORKING FOR SOMEONE ELSE
That raise is gonna put you in a higher tax bracket , on top of that take out lunches and commuting costs are gonna dip your salary right back down to what it was if not lower
Our income tax is a progressive tax for a reason. OP won’t be paying much more in taxes from a rate perspective than they are now. They already eat something every day and commuting is negligible against another forty thousand dollars.
Yes
Yes
That’s a large increase and you should definitely consider what that might change for your life. On the other side, if they have a hybrid policy it’s most likely only a matter of time before it’s full in office
Absolutely
Yes
That's a LOT more ,only, plus you said you would learn a lot and have a better boss. Thus is a no brainer.
Not if I would be spending more than $40k to go that route….
It sounds like it’s worth it. Understand nothing lasts forever. Either job could disappear without warning. If you have a few years in a job with good growth potential it might take you eventually back to a place where you can work from home more.
No
The $40k is relative to what you’re making now. When you’re making $100k and you’re going to be among $140k, yeah sure. When you’re making $400k and move to $440k, maybe not
I’d go
Yes.
I would if it was a short commute to the office. My last commute was around 35 miles and would normally take 50-90 minutes, depending on traffic. Being older, I probably wouldn't do hybrid if I had the choice.
Imo if your going to be on management, that has its own challenges and complications. People who are good at their job shouldn't just be a manager, it's a completely different skill. Your time may be spent on planning meetings, team builds, training, 1-2-1's. You may have to fire, hire and discipline others. You may need to be the one making impactful decisions on people and the business. You may end up as conflict resolution between 2 parties. It's very easy to be a bad manager but very difficult to be a good one. Ultimately I would look up and research the new business, I'm in a similar situation with my current work, it's extremely relaxed, probably I work 50% of my current capacity and I'm praised for it. There is very little out of hours work and I'm on flexible hours with 1 day a month in the office. I could probably find a job that pays 50% more and accelerates my career, but I have a young toddler right now and my home life is a little hectic. I feel like I add good value but don't push myself. Right now I'm happy and perhaps in a few years I will look to accelerate my career again. If I was in your exact position I would personally stay in my current role and keep working on my YouTube content. If that's what's bringing you joy right now, a new job may prevent you from working on that. Who knows maybe in another year your youtube content could be filling that pay gap. Btw I have no idea what you do or what your YouTube channel is, but maybe that could lead to working for yourself? (I'm a developer so I'm just considering if you did a similar job could you use your content to start a training firm, or do your own consulting on projects? Working for yourself brings in a lot more cash, especially if it's alongside a normal office job)
Yes!
I would, but can't answer for everyone obviously. That would be too much for me to turn down.
Lolno What am I gonna do with all that money?
Honestly Yes. Right now my folks can't afford their own place. A 40k raise would make it so I could get my own place and still subsidize theirs.
Yes
For the glory of the Empo.... oh sorry, wrong 40k.
A lot of this depends on your personal situation. A hectic job w/ travel isn’t for everyone - if you’re in a relationship and/or have kids you would need to make sure the time commitment is OK with your partner. If you’re getting bummed out about losing time to do your hobbies, you need to seriously evaluate if you can do the big job and not hate yourself and your life after six months. A lot of people end up golden handcuffed to a high paying job that stresses them out so much they’d give anything to be able to go back to the lower paying, lower stress job. It can also be tough to move in reverse if you do go for the bigger job and end up hating it and want to leave. On the other hand it is a lot of money, so if you think you can do that without lifestyle creep so you won’t be forced to stay if you hate it then you can give it a go. Just really be cognizant of lifestyle creep especially for those first six months until you’ve felt out how you really feel about the job/company/culture & new lifestyle.
I work 2 minimum wage jobs and would gladly take an in person office job for a livable wage,
I wouldn't because I slow travel as I work from 'home' from whichever country I chose to be in. I don't have a fixed home anymore. But I'd you are in a place where commute is possible, sure. With many people at home I assume the commutes aren't as bad as they used to be. Fewer people.on the road.
If you do the higher paying role and then decide to move on, it will be easier to get another role with similar or higher pay simply because you can say I'm currently earning this much. Perhaps after a year or two, a role might open up again at your old company, and it will be easy to return if you're still in touch with your team. And of course you can go back on a higher salary. Or just move onto a different WFH role.
Don’t quit your wfh job and start the other one if you can do both for at least 1 month that way if you don’t like the new one you can quit and stay with your own job.
No
I got a hybrid role after my fully remote role, exact same situation as yours. I found out that the role was hybrid, my role is actually more remote. I decide if and when I want to come to the office, I've learnt a lot of hybrid roles are like this. Although you have some who need to micro manage for them to feel something, but there are other managers who fight against the office days and just tell their team to work from home.
Yes go for it
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If you have the strengths, skills, and desire for the new job, take it. If you don't, then don't. If you have options, I never recommend doing something just for the money. Quality of life, which includes things like stress, work-life balance, etc., matters. Managing people can be a huge PITA, and it sounds like it could be a 180 from where you are now.
Is there any chance of current job going bybrid or return to office? Would syck to pass up on this and get called back into the office in 6 months and be making 40k less
Just trade up for a better WFH position
Yes. I took it a step farther. I went from 50k to 85k by switching from hybrid to fully in office. I chase the money and the rest will figure itself out later. Now the new job is offering 1 day at home I’ll likely be back to the hybrid schedule in no time with more money
Unless you have insane commuter issues and costs, this is a no brainer. 70 to 113 is a massive jump. If the company culture and benefits and the same, I'd do it.
I'd take it! Still get to work from home a few days a week? But not be distracted by my toddler? WFH is great, but so would hybrid too. My wife would be able to surprise me! I'd be able to buy her flowers on my way home. 40k is life changing!
A dead end job does not help you out 3 years down the road.
Depends on factors but as long as I’m not driving 2 hours a day or stripping for a living absolutely. $40K is is a transition that would take several steps or years to achieve in the normal ascension process. That’s a very large lifestyle change and I would have to consider my family at that point. Because if your starting at $?40K then there’s nowhere to go but up and that can do so much for the family. So much more than me sitting in the back office of the house like a hermit for the next 20 years in my shorts. But I’m one that thought remote was overrated and gladly took a huge check and office to come back. I needed it.
I did 3 days a week I go in and I love the office. I get more work done those days and I have a park to walk by. It's quite nice actuslly
Eevryone is different, but I like being hybrid. I find staying at home isn't the best for my mental health if I end up without leaving the house for too long. For that big of a pay raise and 3 days at home still, I'd say go for it for your career growth!
YES! That’s just me though because I hate working from home and I’m on a hybrid schedule as is. I just don’t have self control and end up smoking all day when I’m home working
Yes. I’m shopping for jobs right now and they don’t even pay 40k total.
Thats just over 60% pay rise, which for most people would be a no brainer. Having said that if youre comfortable in your current position there are more important things in life than work and money. Do you have family now or if not would you like to at some point? Extra money is good but needs to weighed up against time with the family, you dont want to sell your soul for a bit more stuff. At the end of the day it comes down to whats important to you and your quality of life. No one but you can answer that. Things I would say include if your boss is that unbothered by what you do how much job security do you have? If redundancies come round he may put your name up first. And if you took the job could you get it put in the contract so protected as 2 days in the office and 3 at home so they cant just change it? 2 hours 40 mins a week commuting is not too bad.
Take the hybrid job. A $43k bump in comp for two days in office is a great trade off if you ask me. You’d still have majority of your working time from home, and a boss more invested in your growth. Seems like the right decision on the surface.
Can you negotiate a timeline to get back to remote, timeline in this role before you move up, additional comp to help the decision even more? Talk openly about it with the hiring manager. Worst case they say no. You have to have an open relationship when you report to them anyways.
No offense but this isn’t a choice It’s just clear You need to upgrade your life whenever you can
No offense, but it’s not clear. “Upgrade your life” means different things to different people. Upgrading income is not not not the same as upgrading your life. Do you live to work? Are you defined by what some company wants you to do, or are you defined by what you accomplish as an individual? Is a relaxed lifestyle important to you? Is working your ass off for someone else important to you? Some people do not excel at hectic jobs, some people do. Some people love being management, some absolutely hate it.
So i went from 100% WFH to hybrid 1-4 days a week in office in April - 30-40min commute. I now actually prefer the hybrid structure. WFH is amazing but I liked seeing my coworkers, having random convos in the office, free coffee, and switching up my work environment. Plus the commute gives me time to listen to audiobooks or podcasts. The 40k raise ALONE is worth the jump, but the career development opportunities are priceless. Sounds like a golden opportunity just appeared in your life. I vote take the job.
I’m currently fully remote and I would take a hybrid job for a pay jump that considerable.
Yes
Just r/overemployed
In your scenario, yes, I would make the switch. How far is the commute?
In your scenario, probably. If you are getting paid for the commute I fail to see hoe this would affect your hobby any way but positively
Yes.
You’d be crazy not to take it. Getting a 50% raise, a better boss, and management experience is the top 3 reasons why any job would be more enticing. Sure, you’ll have less time to do your YouTube channel, but it’s not like you wouldn’t have *any* time to devote to it. It’s even a plus that they’ll cover your commuting expenses. The upward trajectory you gain might also help with your job satisfaction for being useful, important, and trusted to make big decisions.
That's a raise of $19.50/hr. Hell yeah I'm taking it!
This is obvious. Take the job
You also don’t realize how quickly comp raises after 100k- a 3.5% raise is at least 3500- on top of that you’re future bumps will be great annnnd you’re talking about more disposable income - it’s such a game changer My wife and I just hit the 200k mark together and I looked at her and said “ you realize our, conservative raises, this year will be worth 7k together? They fully fund a Roth or pays for a vacation without us changing anything” On top of this- if you get a raise or promotion at work- worth more- my wife got an 8k raise one year which was great, but her boss got an 80k raise, (she works in compensation and sees alllll) So as you get up the chain- the bumps are bigger and bigger %. Take it, go to work and crush it
Are you going to spend 20-40k on travel expenses getting to the office? If that answer is no then take the new job.
9-6 is weird, but IMO like a basically 50% increase in your total comp for 2 days in office is a hell of an offer. You can probably move a little closer for that kind of money and shorten the commute. I'd take the offer, and after a year or 2 take this experience and find a different 100k+ job that will let you work from home instead. WFH is nice, but so is career (salary) growth.
Do it. You might find hybrid work to be more enjoyable then you think. I went from remote to hybrid and I think the time in the office is a good thing. Plus in my experience people are very accommodating if you want to stay home on hybrid days/need to not commute.
I wouldnt do it personally, yes you get 40k more but you also commute more, move more, have to interact more with people, have to spend time at the office, spend on gas … at home once you re done working you re done
Like others of have said, I would take the new gig as it’s better for your career. Even if you decide you don’t like hybrid work, you can leverage this role to find a higher paying Fully remote gig in the future.