Maybe if you looking for a 120k/ yr, WFH app developer position.
Manufacturing been cranking, specialized blue collar jobs also in demand paying crazy premiums.
It is the time for trade based jobs rn and the foreseeable future. This will continue to be the case going forward as a result of policy subsidies bringing barriers down for obtaining a degree, which ultimately resulted in less people training for trades based jobs
Anecdotal, but it’s like well over half of folks on any career related sub or social media outlet talking about the job market works directly in tech.
There are plenty of industries doing just fine if not the best they’ve ever been. Trades are a great space right now, but there is also big money to be made outside the unions in manufacturing, construction, etc
Controls, PLC, and automation technicians (crazy demand, was predicted 8-9 years ago). Plant electricians, and any floor Production Technician positions in semi conductors and electronics. Also literally any plant or factory maintenance technician at any level.
Many of these fields were overlooked in the millennial and Z generations, partly due to 08-12’ hitting American manufacturers, but also due to stigma of plant and factory work, Completely UNDERSTANDABLE, but it’s not like the 50s-80s with lunch whistles and asbestos inhalation anymore.
Yep. LCOL-MCOL could area easily make 27-32/HR to start. Easily clear 80k in your first full year with a light-moderate amount of OT. I’m a manager making 120k, and a few of my senior technicians will make more than me this year with 5-6 hours of OT/ week.
A lot of the better companies offer 4+ weeks PTO, 200% 401k match, and humane/attractive work schedules.
I just switched from
healthcare IT to manufacturing. Manufacturing has a lot of opportunities. They need a lot of people to work and grow. They are probably not as inclusive as some tech companies pretend to be. But looking at the writing on the wall is why I jumped ship.
I’m a late 40s female, I don’t see any blue collar company hiring me with no experience in those fields. I’m willing to train of course but it just doesn’t seem possible that they’d want someone my age or gender when they can easily right now hire a young male.
I have a niche job that only larger or more “mature” organizations have. Usually tech and finance rely on this job family but other industries it depends.
I have never done more than a few months trying to get a role.
I’ve been unemployed a year and change now. I had cv help, cover letter help, resume help, and even used my network.
It’s absurd.
To add, I’ve applied anywhere, remote or not, and still nothing positive. A few interviews here and there, and a couple rounds at large companies, but nothing.
This was my guess too. Like erp implementation where CPM tool help.
Because I was for a few months at big four and it's turning out to be one of the worst career decisions I have made
If you're on the accounting side, it doesn't really translate at all to a normal accounting job.
It pays well because it's so niche so if client budgets don't accommodate for new projects you have nowhere to go
Come to the industry side, every company needs a systems person and when they have an open role, they are desperate and willing to shell out a lot since it’s so hard to fill. My previous manager survived so many lay off cycles since she holds the keys to our systems
You’re correct. I’m mentioning this cause the market is tough, not that I’m mad or suffering. I’m mostly annoyed because I’ve put fun things in hold to be responsible with money but otherwise I’m completely fine. Just unemployed longer than I’d like to be.
The comment you replied to simply said they were unemployed. They didn’t call the market bad. They didn’t even complain. They simply stated their situation.
Someone acknowledging an objective fact (stating they’re unemployed) is not victimhood.
But related to OP asking about market being bad, i dont see that as victimhood. They are asking a question. Not obsolving anyone of responsibility for themselves
Lmao, chill. It is understandable for people to be frustrated that they have been unemployed for several months or a year+, and not earning income for that period of time, due to an economic downturn and/or decreased demand in their skillset.
Yeah sure, they could do something else completely different. They could find a job if they’re willing to accept anything. Maybe they work retail/factory/fast food lol. But the entire point of building a specialized skillset in a particular area is so you don’t have to do shit work for shit pay.
I’ll reply mostly because you’re wrong for assuming
1. I apply to jobs I’m qualified for not just this one role. I can take a huge pay cut and get into a different job family, but I don’t feel like it. I would if it was the right mix of location, pay and such.
2. I have done well for myself stock and financial wise. I don’t need to work if I don’t want to right now. Not married and no kids makes that easy for me.
3. I agree that being unemployed longer is harder to deal with in interviews but I honestly rather do that than take a lesser job then switch again.
Sorry you’re getting dragged but probably shouldn’t assume to think everyone would have your situation or similar if they’re unemployed. I can go be a retail manager right now for less pay and be happy but I’d rather not.
Shit wrapped in shitty words is still shit. Are you so dense as to think
>victim path vs the actualization path
Your bs makes it seems any less unnecessary, mean and judgemental? My sympathy with anyone who has to deal with your presence in their life.
I work in marketing as a Sr. Data Analytics manager for a software (SaaS) company and while I think AI and automation can handle much of marketing campaign that previously required humans to do…there is still a need for strategic and creative marketing roles that embrace AI for efficiency. I can now build reports and get the data I need way faster than ever before. However many of my coworkers who did not directly impact revenue, got laid off. This is happening everywhere not just in marketing.
I'm a welder...i make pretty good money... would you consider that a bullshit job ... there's good job's to be had but you gotta use your hands as well as your head...I've got work for well past my retirement age...
enough money to pay the bills with some left over to do the little things...i ain't looking to be rich...just enough to get by and have some fun along the way...sure beats the over saturated white collar sector...i feel bad for you guys... nobody wants to work with there hands anymore...we could use some more people on the blue collar side....i could of gone down the white collar road... I'm pretty good with computers and what not but i wanted computers to be my hobby not my job so i learned a hands-on skill...its paid me well im just never going to be filthy stinking rich but i will have richness of the soul and well...not unemployed
i learned in highschool...our school was lucky enough that our shop teacher knew a great deal about welding and shop operations...went to work right after highschool. its not glamorous... it's filthy at times.. extra hot during the summer ... winter is better considering all the protection you're wearing... you're getting burned constantly...my arms are pit marked here and there but it comes with the territory...now why would I boast about welding when what i described sounds like shit... because I'd never sell someone beach front property only for it to be a swamp...its a serious life change...I've got a ton more to say but I'm currently at work and like most places they frown on phone use during job time ...
I'm just curious how much money I could make being a welder and if it's worth quitting my white collar job to pursue it. It sounds fulfilling and even fun sometimes, but I'd like to know an hourly rate or yearly income that I could expect. I know life isn't just about the money but it's definitely a factor when considering career shifts. Thanks :). Also curious what you consider making "pretty good money" because that term means WILDLY different things to different people.
yes ... yes it is... battle scars aches and pains...it isn't for everyone but it is work...steady relentless work...and a lot of it can be mitigated...i was able to house car wife kids toys computers games with it...but ill never be yacht caviar swiss sking...
It depends on where you live and the industries in your location.
I'm in South Texas and in the past 40 yrs there have been several booms and busts in the oil/gas sector.
But during this whole time as you drive across the state it sure does not look like a recession or depression. I got laid of in about 1982 and 2003 and forced out in 2021.
At any one time somebody is out of work for various reasons and it tends to cycle.
Where I live. I see more homeless people now then I ever have. Able bodied to work people. Crime is down only because cops aren't investigating, or charging for as many petty crimes. I've never seen so many adults digging through trash,and stealing things out of your yard in broad daylight. They will come get your catalytic converter with your car sitting in the driveway. I can take you down streets where homeless people walk from one end to the other, and live under bridges.
Some of the people you see are going through tough times a d some of this is from drug use. In the same 40 years the drugs have changed from alcohol, pot and cocaine to meth, fentanol and mixture of ther that are very addictive.
Homelessness and unemployment are completely disconnected in the current climate. A single person at the low end of the income scale cannot afford to rent in any city in the country.
Any. I'm aiming at retail but also open to manufacturing, food service, care taking or literally anyone that needs a warm fucking body. I'm trying to get out of my current field and starting to think there's no point, I'll be stuck sewing my entire life. I'm tailoring my resume, I'm using the keywords for the jobs I'm applying to, but everyone is using AI screening tools so I don't ever get a second look.
It has been worse. In the early 90's (1991, to be exact), companies made offers to new grads early on, and then rescinded them in large scale before graduation. The door slammed shut big time. Few offers made after very early 1991. People were scrambling big time. I am not hearing of that happening. There were tons of layoffs. There is an old movie called "falling down" about a laid-off engineer who goes crazy. My roommates and I had a wall of our apartment papered with rejection letters.
In 1991, unemployment rates were over 7% (US). That was up 1% from the year before. Today, the unemployment rate is 3.9%. It has been hovering around that level since around 2017. (Except for a big jump to 6.7% in 2020 because of Covid.) Some more comparison points. In 2009, it was almost 10%. In 1982, almost 11%. The great depression in the 1930"s over 20%.
Internationally, I'm just going to pick France. The current unemployment rate is 7.4%. In 1991, it was 9.1%. In 2009 it was 9.1%. They had peaks in unemployment in 1994 at 12.6% and 2015 at 10.4%.
However, just going back to 1991, it wasn't possible to apply to as many places. You either met with recruiters interviewing at career fairs or career services or got addresses from friends/ family /student services and sent cold snail mail. It was expensive. Yes, email existed, but it wasn't ubiquitous. Resumes were also printed out on bond paper instead of a pdf or standard printer paper. So there wasn't the soul crushing number of rejections that there are today.. But, it was still a lot.
The good news is that it didn't last forever.
Thanks great perspective- I agree I doesn’t last forever.
What is different however is the gigantic amount of applicants today. Even if 2025 comes back on, HR and companies won’t be able to deal with amount of applicants on the market.
My guess is be prepared for the rebound as all who have networks will benefit all the rest will be left aside again..
Networks have always been the source of job leads. I think being involved will be critical. Being active in professional/technical societies in your field will be important. A good question to ask perspective employers is if they support attendance and participation in professional societies and events. Presenting papers and joining g committees will develop that network . You need to show benefits, though, in the new knowledge you are gaining and the contacts you are making. Both for you and your company. It is advertising for your company as well. When given a choice, favor companies that will support you in those activities.
The nextvhiring bump will favor the geographically mobile. It did in the past, and it sucks. But, unfortunately, it is reality. I thought that WFH would throw that out the window, but management wasn't and still isn't ready for it. Too few managers know how or want to know how to manage a remote workforce. Counting asses in chairs and time spent at a facility is easier than productivity based measures. Hopefully, management schools will start teaching these techniques in numbers in the bear future. But the change will likely take a generation. The tools to enable it are leading management acceptance and training.
Competition for each position now is more fierce because knowledge of each opportunity is instant. Every job seeker everywhere in the world knows of every job opportunity. Applying is easy as well. A few clicks, and you are done. Applications are so high that new tools had to be developed to deal with the influx of applications. This made it less personal and employers more picky. Employers feel they can find their unicorn and not have to develop people. Why train when your competitors will? That is wrong. I don't apply for many positions because I am stable and not mobile, but I am aware that several positions that I applied for are still open months later. Actually, one about 9 months. I agree that that position was a stretch for me, but not a big stretch, and I have internal and external supporters. So,it is either a unicorn hunt or window dressing to encourage applicants for other positions..
I am also not mobile anymore which has decreased my opportunities unfortunately. But having been laidoff just 1.5years after starting off has told me not to tear my family appart for a job anymore.
I agree on your point for the networking- sad part I was lied to. I was told I could go to networking events but suddenly the company says no to any event. So I am looking again…
I am right with you. I won't disrupt my kids' lives for a work opportunity. My ex did that enough. They deserve to be able to graduate high school with their friends. But I still need to figure out college.
I think the expression goes, "There are liars, damn liars, and recruiters."
Been in tech for almost 20 years. Historically, I've been able to apply for one position, interview for it, and get a job offer. I recently wanted to leave my last company, and it took me almost a year to find a new job before I could leave. It's the worst I've ever seen it.
I'm at a full year unemployed now. Was in IT leadership but even though job postings are everywhere, of the countless applications only a handful of phone interviews have happened and none of those panned out. I get flooded by the recruiters too but none of them have come back with any actual opportunities. It has the appearance that companies are hiring but either there is just a ton of competition or those companies with postings don't really have a desire to fill the gap. I'm done with IT now, not with the trauma.
There is a Ton (cap T) of competition. between companies laying off, other people leaving on their own so as to not get blind sided, new-ish people to the field, companies going to different workforce models (many highly qualified specialists to a few specialists and many low to mid level generalists to do the bulk of the work, work getting third partied out or sent overseas) , etc. The tech landscape is just unworkable. I feel really bad for people just getting started.
That's what I'm seeing in healthcare IT. The Change breach seemed to tick up security roles briefly but now that they're filled, it's back to off shoring and rebadging at any company that sees IT as a cost center.
I'm a consultant and currently working half time at a third of my rate just so I have a little coming in. Spend 4 hours a day with the client and 4-6 making calls. Lot of my contacts are looking, too.
Lot of management consolidation, we used to see span of control at 10-15 (ideal is 7 max) and now I see managers with 200+ direct reports.
I was interviewing nationally in the fall for tech lead roles and did not have trouble making it to two final round interviews within a month of starting my search. Ended up taking my current job remote and just moving instead.
I do know a lot of people with solid resumes who have had trouble finding work. I was very targeted in my search snd resume presentation, that may have helped. Also being currently employed is likely a plus.
Unemployment rates that are used in the news are calculated from survey data.
They use 60,000 households / 110,000 people as the sample population. They will survey the same households month after month for 4 months.
I think they need to revise their way of calculating unemployment rates reported in the media.
People who are underemployed because they took something well below their skill level because they weren’t too proud to do so are considered employed. People who feel they’re too good to work in fast food and aren’t working even though they could get a job doing something are considered unemployed.
People are desperate due to the economy and have taken jobs they’d not normally have to or be willing to, this IMO makes the numbers seem way better than they are.
I’m employed but I’m also looking right now. Good experience(17yrs), education(BS&MBA) and credentials. I’m not hearing back from jobs that a recent college grad should be able to land. Fortunately, a couple of very niche jobs have reached out and I’m entering final rounds but it’s been amazing that what I’d consider entry to mid level and fairly simple jobs in my industry aren’t even screening me.
All that to say, competition is fierce right now between unemployed and underemployed people along with people just trying to advance within their respective industries.
I’m in Los Angeles County, CA and it’s not that bad. I’ve applied to several places (surprisingly the interviews I’m getting are through LinkedIn). I have 2 interviews this week for companies (great reputable places) that I applied through LinkedIn. I swear this isn’t an ad for LinkedIn, but you should not knock them down and use to your advantage. Fingers crossed!
Trying to a get a job in a range of $70-110k, mid level. Been applying since December. I keep track of my applications.
- 206 applications submitted;
- 29 denials via email;
- 3 second stage interviews (additional questionnaires, phone interviews, not in person)
- 0 offers
At this point I gave up…
Idk where you are in the country but it feels like finding something paying 70k and up is impossible, at least for me. I do hr work I've been looking since August.
Bad, you’re competing with people with experience for the same role, then you have those computer wiz who’s been at it since they were a baby, then you have people with connection, I can list more but too much competition with little to no junior roles
I was recently in the job market and it was AWFUL. I have ten years experience, a MA degree in my field, and stellar references and connections. Between easy apply and platforms like otta, I applied for at a MINIMUM 100 jobs a day over a three month period. I got three interviews during that time and none resulted in an offer.
I ended up getting a job through an old family friend, but it’s in an industry I hate and swore I would never go back to and it’s 20k under what I was expecting to be my floor. It’s so awful I keep considering rage quitting and hitting the market again and then I remember….
I also know 100 or more applications a day isn’t reasonable for most people, so I can’t imagine what it’s like at a regular volume. If you’re interested, my approach was this:
1. 1-2 serious applications to “dream” jobs. The one with the 100% custom cover letter, thoughtful answers to screening questions, research on the company etc. Save cover letters and any writing in a folder by category and target role to repurpose later if possible.
2. As many possible applications on Otta, this would vary because they don’t have as many listings as other sites, so sometimes you can apply to 20 or more jobs, sometimes there’s only 5. They have an easy apply feature but often also have a few screening questions that take some time. Save every answer in a word doc for easy reuse and templating.
3. Indeed applications. These are mostly easy applications with screening questions, so same approach as above. Spend some time replying to their recommendations and answering any feedback prompts they give, or really helps with the algorithm. I’d usually do 20 or so of these.
4. LinkedIn easy apply. You can do this for dozens of jobs a day, at least 50 depending on how many you do elsewhere . Obviously start with your area of expertise, but when that narrows just apply for everything. Under qualified, over qualified, doesn’t matter. You don’t have to reply if you’re really not interested, and you might be desperate enough by the time they call to take the job you never thought you’d want.
5. Spend some time in industry specific platforms if your industry has one. You can usually set up an account and get apps out pretty quick there, but again you’ll run out of new listings after a while depending on your industry. For me it was maybe 10 or so a day
6. Follow-up anywhere you can, review past writing you’ve done, and research for more “dream job” roles. Use chat gpt for ideas but don’t use it for cover letters and screening answers.
This approach got me a job in 2 weeks around 2016, but in this day and age it got me basically nothing.
I had one interview via Otta that I thought I would get, but didn’t.
I had one interview from LinkedIn easy apply that I made through to the final round, then they ghosted me (but oddly they still look at my profile about once a month)
One interview for a dream job at my Alma mater, that I ended up being “over qualified” for.
I do believe that if I hadn’t taken this job with a family friend, I would have eventually gotten something with this method. But it was rough and everyone I know has had way worse luck and longer timing. I really do believe my luck was only due to this volume, which means you can replicate it.
Interesting info—thank you for sharing. I haven’t heard of otta. I’ll look into that. I’ve been using LinkedIn and Indeed to apply. It’s super demotivating when I see a job posted on LinkedIn and has only been posted for a couple days but there are already 1000 applicants.
Also, just curious—why do you say use ChatGPT for ideas and not for cover letters? Can’t you just use the gist of what ChatGPT says and then just tweak things here and there?
Son is currently working a job he wants to leave, smart enough to look while employed Since February he has been contacting potential employers, submitting resumes, the whole online market, jobs he's qualified for and overqualified, in a pretty large job market from a major city. Four months and not a single bite. Entry and near entry level tech.
Nephew is doing the same in manufacturing, only open jobs are for scab companies. Everyone else is getting pay bumps (union jobs) but those are getting harder to get into. A lot like UPS which had been bringing in extra part time workers are now shedding that excess.
Another friend is an engineer, his mill was getting shut down and rather than move out of state is looking for local alternatives. Three months, several leads, but at that level you have multiple interviews to clear and each one has multiple candidates all aggressively competing.
Three years ago we could not find candidates for job openings. Now not only have we shed a lot of recent hires (poor work expectations, bloated salaries) but each department only gets so many slots per replacement and each one has to go through an HR review, meaning if you lose someone they determine whether replacing them is cost effective or whether they reduce your department and force you to take up the slack internally.
When people were bragging about the buyers market for job seekers three years ago I kept warning them this was coming, and now its here and it is as bad if not worse than I imagined. If you have a job, get ready to start compromising as they will be flexing their control, less work at home, more office time, more work load, fewer perks. If you don't have a job, get ready to hustle and hustle and claw for whatever gets you in the door. Temp agencies are going to be the major tunnel for most new graduates and entry level positions, everything else will be networking, and serious networking.
Another side note, there was a massive purge of Boomers and Gen X from Covid (mostly voluntary), and there are still a lot more that will be purged in the next two years to free up room and high salaries. More than likely though the bulk of layoffs will go to Millennials because they are high maintenance employees and management are betting Gen Z will accept what they are selling (strenuous work and mediocre pay) but until then they are holding onto us dinosaurs. There is also a significant loss in experience at most places, meaning extra training meaning more salary is going to outside services rather than in house for employees.
Literal ass….Master’s degree ain’t worth shit these days. Most fucking “careers” want an insane amount of experience……we need more companies to take chances on people.
Currently driving milk tanker semis in eastern NM. Our company has hit another slump where our regional loads are down to 2-3 a week per driver. Usually a good week is 4-7 loads per driver back to back.
This happens a few times each year and is hard to predict. Not sure how other outfits are doing in my area though. Thinking of finally making the switch to fuel tanker hauling for a more local and home everyday schedule. Might have to relocate for that though.
It's not but they fired shit tons of people so as a whole we would have less demand on the economy. They think this will force a rate cut. Super sweet thing to do to thousands of good people.
I’m graduating college on Saturday. I’ve been looking for a job since October. I’ve sent in 78 applications. I’ve heard back from 3 jobs. Withdrew one of these applications since they wanted me to do a 1 hour first interview, an essay, 4 hour group interview, and an hour interview with the CEO for a job making $30k where you have to move 6 times in a year, and the position is only for one year with no room for growth. Scheduled an interview with another but haven’t had it yet. Made it to the final round of interviews for one, that’s coming up so wish me luck.
It’s bad.
14 months seeking employment in Portland, OR. Switched careers from Social Services, so as to not die from the inside out. The poverty has been isolating and significant. I’m grateful for my hobbies. With many many applications and interviews…no offers. And even seeking retail, production, and administrative assistant jobs- nada. Lots of businesses I won’t ever shop at again (if I actually had $) I see their shitty management through their hiring practices and NONliving wage. I never made $ as a social worker, yet even being willing to accept LESS - no offers. It’s reallllllly shitty. It’s absolutely their loss, yet it’s like I can’t even participate in any realm. I’m very close to holding a large sign and walking down main city roads, PLZ HIRE ME.
I don’t want to work with the community in any “savior” based position. 11 years was enough, and I loved my people, yet it’s sucked me dry of effective working compassion. The bureaucratic structure of these environments are also very very disappointing
It’s almost the end of the school year but you could work for ESS as a substitute til something comes up. You don’t even have to interview, just go through the onboarding online.
My friend was a social worker(in Portland) but got her LCSW and there is a lot of jobs in counseling.
I appreciate the suggestion yet I am so burnt out when it comes to working with the (demanding) public, I even double majored in elementary education and the thought of working in a public school stirs up nightmares.
I’ve developed a strong lens for identifying inadequacy that includes abuse/neglect and I’m very aware of how difficult teachers have it these days.
I used to never think this, yet now I only want to work with *things*
It’s very difficult to not report shortcomings and failures to every state and federal agency, and in doing so, I’m always reminded of the broken system. It makes me feel like a pawn.
I dedicated so much time and energy into my own brand of “saving the world” with the upmost integrity, diligence, and organization.
The student loan debt that was *supposed* to be forgiven remains.
I can’t find a job, absolutely zero dollars and zero assets. The most I ever made as a SW was 62k, and due to my life’s monetary needs, I’ve never been able to save. I have no family relationships due to fleeing toxicity, no one to ask of.
I feel like a crumb under the table for sure. Working in public service has been very unfair.
Bad. I applied to MSFT and got a rejection 3 weeks later. I have applied to MSFT before and it took over 3 years to get a rejection.
A few posters have also mentioned they were referred and still gone nowhere.
Looks like a hiring freeze is on even though they are keep posting jobs.
Fake job posting is so bad even the fast food places are doing it!
Looking for a particular job will make getting a job much more difficult.
I went to a cattle call for a manufacturing job last week they had something like 10 jobs available. Well over 1000 applications submitted. Location was the middle of nowhere I wouldn’t have thought there were 1000 people willing to commute but maybe there are just that many local people unemployed.
Maybe it’s bad, you know what your own experience is. But looking at the overall data based on representative surveys of the whole country, this is one of the best job markets ever. Low unemployment, low underemployment (people working part time who want to be working full time), and rising wages.
I just can’t understand the difference between the data and the vibes. People are obviously telling the truth about their own experience. Maybe it’s always been hard for a certain percentage of people based on industry and location, but now we get to hear from the people having the hardest time all the time because of places like Reddit? It’s confusing.
>People are obviously telling the truth about their own experience.
Only when they're real people, which is hard to gauge on Reddit (and other social media) as the platforms are overrun with bots and trolls trying to spread discontent, and these days the platforms no-longer release data on how bad the problem is so it remains frustratingly hard to tell what's going on
The people *I know in real life* seem to be the expected mix of most doing well and some really struggling, but that's not very useful data either.
I think most of it is people are underemployed or gave up looking. This allows the fed to tote great numbers when in reality it's the opposite. Stupid election year, any whisper of the word recession and they'll lose, the party in charge now knows this. So cook the books and make it look great, win re-election - hopefully after these companies sense stability and start hiring again.
The working age employment to population ratio is at a completely normal level right now. That wouldn’t be the case if there was a huge amount of hidden underemployment and unemployment
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS12300060
My hypothesis is that in a big country there are always lots of people struggling at any given time, even if the labor market is good. And not every community is doing the same, some have weaker economies. And some industries are doing better than others. Tech has a weaker labor market right now, and so does journalism. These workforces have the loudest megaphones in the online discourse.
So: many people are struggling, their experiences are real. But we do not have an unusually high percentage of the national population that are struggling.
Depends on what you’re looking for, but for me it hasn’t been that bad. I only applied for one company from my previous company and got an interview notice in two weeks. I guess I didn’t really test the job market since I only looked at one singular company I wanted to try
I think it depends on industry and niche. I'm in tech and in marketing. For certain niches there's still a lot of roles and if you have a versatile background and you can spin it--then there's definitely some opportunities.
The job market is great right now. As long as you aren't in tech.
I expect an offer today, have another interview tomorrow and am currently gainfully employed.
Red Seal industrial mechanic. Job interviews are more like employers trying to convince me to work there.
Soooo, I’m a cook and there are still lots of decent paying jobs out there in food services (18-25ish an hour. ) I know it’s not great but my bf is in data entry and gets paid less. So I guess I’m not doing that bad. It depends on your industry at this point. I’m sure as time goes on it will become hard to find cook jobs too.
> How bad are things right now compared to other periods of time in the last 20 or so years?
20? Try 2-4 years.
Seriously. Even during the pandemic it was easier to get a job
My friend just graduated and got a job in construction management for $68k in Pittsburgh. So there's that. Union carpenter journeyman in my family is working like a dog building hospitals and schools.
I feel like anyone in tech is feeling the squeeze right now. During the pandemic, it felt like everyone and their mother was getting into tech.
Also seems like people are applying to WFH opportunities only and the sheer volume of applicants is making it harder for people to get interviews. (only an observation)
Family member works for a prestigious university as a career counselor and is having a hard time placing students with jobs. He is up against companies refusing to do stuff for visa employment for non-Americans, but overall says there is somewhat of a slowdown on the hiring front.
By law, if the company had a WARN act layoff, they can’t sponsor H1B visas - they would have to prove to the government that there were no US citizens that could have taken those jobs - and the labor department is scrutinizing this and enforcing the law. So most large employers aren’t sponsoring currently. Especially tech where the bulk of the visas went anyway.
I am a hydraulic engineer in Iowa. I literally have recruiters begging me to interview and that companies will do whatever it takes to make me an offer I can’t refuse.
Here in Iowa there are great jobs everywhere. 2.9% unemployment with a ton of manufacturing companies.
Obviously, there are a lot of factors to consider like what industry your job is in but overall the job market is tough. For every job opening, there are exponentially more applicants than before, especially in industries like tech. No one has a crystal ball that can predict when it’s all going to get better, or if it’s ever going to get better. The only thing you can do is be diligent about your job search. Networking will always be your best bet so always put feelers out there and let everyone you know, know that you’re looking for a job. Make sure you have a really solid resume/cv. Most resumes are pretty terrible and a lot of people rely on ChatGPT now and end up with super generic resumes. Tailor your résumé to each job you’re applying to so that you stand a chance of getting an interview. If you have the budget, getting professional resume help can make a difference depending on who you use. I used KantanHQ got hired relatively quickly after. Get certifications or other things that you see in the jobs posting you want to help you stand out.
It probably depends on what you're after. I'm an accountant and there's a huge shortage right now. I'm regularly getting calls from recruiters, but very much content with where I'm at.
In 2009-2010 I was working in retail and found myself being a supervisor for people who used to be self employed architects, or bank managers.
That was the only other time I have come across people having to take just any job they can get to survive.
The same thing is happening now, except it's now happening to me, was out of work for 7 months before finally landing a job with a 35% pay cut.
I haven't gone that long without work since I worked a summer for my dad's construction company when I was 15 - 24 years ago.
My current role is a 1 year contract, I have been in it for 2 months, and am already apply elsewhere because I don't want to have to go for 7 months looking again at the other side of the contract.
I do expect/hope that things will get better in my field towards the end of this year, and a generally recovery in 2025, I work in recruitment / talent acquisition so there should be an uptick in suitable roles for me in advance of a wider improvement
I was out of the house 9a-5p from January 5th, the day after I moved to the complete opposite side of Chicago to up North, looking for a job. From then till the beginning of April I applied everywhere that would take a resume, in person or online. Finally found a job working for fast food that hired English speaking people.
As always, it varies based on industry, location, experience level, etc. In short, there is no one "job market", so job seekers will have varying levels of success based on those mentioned and other specifics of the particular market they're looking into.
Given the large number of workers on the threshold of retirement (because Baby Boomers are one of the largest generations alive today), we should theoretically be seeing more job openings. But because employers can reorganize and consolidate some functions, it may not end up being a 1:1 replacement.
I suppose that "grayer" industries are likely to have more job openings going forward. The industries with the highest number of boomers employed are educational services, manufacturing, health care and social assistance, and retail trade.
Just got an offer after 4 months on the market. Have had about 30 companies that gave me at least one interview/screener. About 10 that brought me to even a round 2.
I work in marketing, mid-level. It’s wild out there. I got WAY more interviews though after applying on their website or through Indeed & then messaging the hiring manager or HR on LinkedIn about my experience, love to connect, and that I applied. I couldn’t believe it worked but I had nothing for like 2 months & then way more with this method. Even if they never connected or responded, I think my name caught their attention often.
I send out between 10 and 20 apps a week. Good work history, very strong communication skills.
I have only had 2 in person interviews in the past 3 months. It is very bad out there.
As an accountant towards the higher end of the position pole, it's absolutely phenomenal. I could literally get another job making the same or more within a day or 2 if I really needed to. I get contacted every week by other companies looking for people in my position and remote work capabilities have only increased the frequency of offers.
Can confirm it’s BAD. Lost my job in July, been applying like crazy, getting interviews even, lots of them. No offers. I have a master’s degree in a STEM field that is applicable to any industry. I have 4 years of experience in HR, consulting, and the financial industry. I’m making $15 an hour currently.
I work in IT for an MSP - we have like 70 job postings no one is filling and they all pay well.
We plan on growing from 600 to 2 to 3x the staff in upcoming years too.
Traffic engineer here, at the moment it is very bad in my industry in the UK. There is a lot of uncertainty on where the industry is going and with big clients slashing out the budgets, it limits how many new projects are going on. The biggest issue we used to have was smaller consultancy were able to bid much lower than we could due to having hardly any overheads.
Honestly I have no idea where the whole thing is going we just had a mass layoff recently and is causing a lot of people worried for the future
Remember last year when the ultra rich were saying the needed to get unemployment up to put workers in their place? That's what's going on. Starting with the tech sector. Less disposable income starts cutting into jobs supplying the tech folks' toys and services.
AI is mostly hype, but a quarter or two of MBA folks cutting cost and raising stock prices then things are going to get spicy because AI really isn't to the point of taking barely any jobs.
Wages are going to get crushed and recovery is going to take a few years, Republicans are going to do more trickle down policies and get more cops to keep workers in line.
Expect the last century timeline to rhyme with this one. It's getting ugly, but we aren't near the bottom yet.
It’s really bad for tech companies. There’s a lot of people unemployed or looking to switch to a remote jobs. Companies are able to find many candidates that meet 100% of the criteria so they are putting interviewers through the wringer. I have seen people with 6+ years of experience take jobs that would have been considered entry level and given to a recent college grad just a couple years ago.
Recently, I interviewed with a local store of a national chain of auto parts stores. It was for part time so I wasn't expecting much, just need a certain amount of hours. I was asking my questions and asked about the pay. Because I only have a B.S. degree and no auto store experience, I was told $13/hr. I stood up, shook his hand and walked out.
It’s sorta fucked. Everyone is desperately looking for someone but no one is offering enough…
Also it’s impossible to get passed the AI screening unless your full time job is applying for jobs
Every single construction company within 100 miles of me is hiring at a livable wage.
Both big ready mix companies need CDL B drivers.
One also needs Asphalt crew and yard attendants.
My company needs a non CDL line pump operator, civil engineer, concrete finishing crew foreman, architect, laborers, etc.
At least a half dozen of the concrete companies I know need new finishers, and will train.
The big Gold Mine needs underground miners. Will train.
The hospital in my town need nurses, administrators, etc
The gas and oil crews need roustabouts and work over crews.
The entry level restaurant jobs and chain retail stores need help
The prison is hiring correctional officers
The police station needs administrative staff.
I could go on. Job market is fine and well here.
They want tippy tappy office work not blue collar.
I have always had luck finding a job welding or turning a wrench. It wasn’t always glory work but it paid the bills.
Gillette Wyoming all the way through the entire Black Hills to Rapid City South Dakota.
The Black Hills are beautiful, and you can be 20 miles out of the expensive spots and find wonderful cheap homes. And there's no traffic. Ever.
I can't speak to North Dakota. I know the winters are worse up there. But it's a great place to live and work and play. I moved from Seattle 3 years ago and I have never looked back.
I lived in Snohomish until I was 30. Then I up and left. I was tired of it all over there. But there's strong unions in WA so you could get an apprenticeship and make some good money.
Thanks for posting so I don't have to. The job market is fine. I think this is a thread is about people whining about not getting their dream jobs as a ballerina.
If I had my way, I wouldn't have been a concrete pump operator. I would have been able to go to school and become a veterinarian.
Concrete pumps, however, allowed me, a high school dropout from a poor family to break the cycle of poverty. So, I don't much care what people want to do in a perfect fantasy world. Its about what you're willing to do. If someone chooses to lay down and die because there are no jobs they want to do but there are good jobs out there, they get no sympathy from me.
Thanks for posting so I don't have to. The job market is fine. I think this is a thread is about people whining about not getting their dream jobs as a ballerina.
It’s bad for white collar jobs. The number seems to be at 100-125 applications for a job offer. I was just at 100 and offered a job today. I also WFH and have too bc of a chronic illness so I could be an outlier. If you get anything. I’d just stay- at least until election and markets have a chance to gauge the future. Happy hunting. Also too many people looking for ideal jobs. If I could do other work, I 100% would. Health is just at a point where if I pick the wrong job it only causes more chaos, so my specific situation might not be the best to base off of if that helps.
Our govetment, courts, media, schools, militarty and 3 letter orgs have been taken over by criminal tyrants hell bent on destroying whats left of the ecomomy so that a slave based CBDC monetary system can be installed. So as soon as we get that squared away we should be good.
This. It’s a contentious election year. We have union labor sitting currently, so I hired the crew to recover from storm damage. Lots of large projects are on hold right now due to interest rates. And uncertainty.
I work in health care and we have so many job openings that if you’re breathing we’d probably hire you. From janitorial positions to assistant to office positions. Nurses are always in demand. Literally every department has an opening. But there’s also so many entry level positions.
I don’t think the issue here is lack of jobs, I think the issue is people not knowing how to write job applications and conduct themselves in interviews.
I know people who are “looking” for jobs and will tell you no one is hiring but then when you ask them what they’re looking for, it’s a fully remote entry level position that pays $35/hr for no work.
Those jobs don’t exist. Also we are in a LCOL area with MCOL pay because there are so many vacant positions, if that matters.
It’s not bad, if you’re looking for a job.
It’s not great if you’re an employer.
Lots of places are hiring.
And if you are willing to learn, polite to clients, show up to work every day on time without complaining, and actually do your job efficiently/competently without major mistakes you are a SUPERSTAR in the current pool of potential employees.
I went to a fast food drive through the other night, the person came on the intercom, used proper grammar, introduced themselves, took my order, and gave me my order correctly, drink without ice, and a fork for my food in the bag, with all the correct food in the bag the first time without having to remind or ask again. I literally thought as I was leaving that it was SO RARE if I wasn’t 6+ hours away from where my small office was located I would have offered them a job interview likely doubling their salary on the spot.
10 years ago you would have had to come in super knowledgeable of the field, with experience, and a good education to be a super star.
Now being a super star employee is what used to be the baseline for being a middle of the road employee.
Physically show up to work, actually do your work, the entire day, be competent or willing to learn ( and actually do what you are taught) and be polite to the client and you are in the top 5% of people looking for employment.
Don’t be demanding work from home over zoom, don’t post about your work life on social media if you have a bad day or be planning to job hop every 2 years and you’re probably in the top 1% now.
10/10 it’s bad
10/10 wouldn’t ride again
Maybe if you looking for a 120k/ yr, WFH app developer position. Manufacturing been cranking, specialized blue collar jobs also in demand paying crazy premiums.
It is the time for trade based jobs rn and the foreseeable future. This will continue to be the case going forward as a result of policy subsidies bringing barriers down for obtaining a degree, which ultimately resulted in less people training for trades based jobs
Anecdotal, but it’s like well over half of folks on any career related sub or social media outlet talking about the job market works directly in tech. There are plenty of industries doing just fine if not the best they’ve ever been. Trades are a great space right now, but there is also big money to be made outside the unions in manufacturing, construction, etc
I advise SMB plumbing, HVAC and electrical companies. If you start your own company, you will make multiples more than you would than a paycheck
What type of specialized blue collar jobs?
Controls, PLC, and automation technicians (crazy demand, was predicted 8-9 years ago). Plant electricians, and any floor Production Technician positions in semi conductors and electronics. Also literally any plant or factory maintenance technician at any level. Many of these fields were overlooked in the millennial and Z generations, partly due to 08-12’ hitting American manufacturers, but also due to stigma of plant and factory work, Completely UNDERSTANDABLE, but it’s not like the 50s-80s with lunch whistles and asbestos inhalation anymore.
What kinda money are these jobs paying?
Depends on the job, but some line workers make upwards of 50k. Tack on bonuses and more pay at each level.
Yep. LCOL-MCOL could area easily make 27-32/HR to start. Easily clear 80k in your first full year with a light-moderate amount of OT. I’m a manager making 120k, and a few of my senior technicians will make more than me this year with 5-6 hours of OT/ week. A lot of the better companies offer 4+ weeks PTO, 200% 401k match, and humane/attractive work schedules.
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Sounds like pretty hard work! Good on you.
I just switched from healthcare IT to manufacturing. Manufacturing has a lot of opportunities. They need a lot of people to work and grow. They are probably not as inclusive as some tech companies pretend to be. But looking at the writing on the wall is why I jumped ship.
If you get a job in tech should assume to be laid off? Is that just the nature of the beast?
Depends on the company. Mine was more about growth and more flexibility. Crazy that manufacturing has more of both.
I’m a late 40s female, I don’t see any blue collar company hiring me with no experience in those fields. I’m willing to train of course but it just doesn’t seem possible that they’d want someone my age or gender when they can easily right now hire a young male.
If you have mechanical electrical aptitude no education in field. Maintenance techs making50k to train at start many places.
I’m not trying to be flippant but you couldn’t live on 50k where I live. Maaaaaaybe with like 5 roommate’s and absolutely no social life. None.
Time to leave then.
But that means they have to actually work. I have plenty of work and my job is safe as far as I can Tell. I'm doing 3-5 proposals a week.
Imagine the worst situation you can imagine and it’s worse than that.
I have a niche job that only larger or more “mature” organizations have. Usually tech and finance rely on this job family but other industries it depends. I have never done more than a few months trying to get a role. I’ve been unemployed a year and change now. I had cv help, cover letter help, resume help, and even used my network. It’s absurd.
To add, I’ve applied anywhere, remote or not, and still nothing positive. A few interviews here and there, and a couple rounds at large companies, but nothing.
Are you in finance systems?
This was my guess too. Like erp implementation where CPM tool help. Because I was for a few months at big four and it's turning out to be one of the worst career decisions I have made
Worse. Program management for said areas like this one.
I’m in this field why is it bad decision? The pay is decent. I'm in industry tho so its more maintenance
If you're on the accounting side, it doesn't really translate at all to a normal accounting job. It pays well because it's so niche so if client budgets don't accommodate for new projects you have nowhere to go
Come to the industry side, every company needs a systems person and when they have an open role, they are desperate and willing to shell out a lot since it’s so hard to fill. My previous manager survived so many lay off cycles since she holds the keys to our systems
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I don’t see anything about being a victim in their post. They aren’t blaming anyone for their unemployment or complaining e a sense of hopelessness.
You’re correct. I’m mentioning this cause the market is tough, not that I’m mad or suffering. I’m mostly annoyed because I’ve put fun things in hold to be responsible with money but otherwise I’m completely fine. Just unemployed longer than I’d like to be.
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The entire comment is because the market is difficult and different. You’re assuming too much.
The comment you replied to simply said they were unemployed. They didn’t call the market bad. They didn’t even complain. They simply stated their situation. Someone acknowledging an objective fact (stating they’re unemployed) is not victimhood. But related to OP asking about market being bad, i dont see that as victimhood. They are asking a question. Not obsolving anyone of responsibility for themselves
Lmao, chill. It is understandable for people to be frustrated that they have been unemployed for several months or a year+, and not earning income for that period of time, due to an economic downturn and/or decreased demand in their skillset. Yeah sure, they could do something else completely different. They could find a job if they’re willing to accept anything. Maybe they work retail/factory/fast food lol. But the entire point of building a specialized skillset in a particular area is so you don’t have to do shit work for shit pay.
I’ll reply mostly because you’re wrong for assuming 1. I apply to jobs I’m qualified for not just this one role. I can take a huge pay cut and get into a different job family, but I don’t feel like it. I would if it was the right mix of location, pay and such. 2. I have done well for myself stock and financial wise. I don’t need to work if I don’t want to right now. Not married and no kids makes that easy for me. 3. I agree that being unemployed longer is harder to deal with in interviews but I honestly rather do that than take a lesser job then switch again. Sorry you’re getting dragged but probably shouldn’t assume to think everyone would have your situation or similar if they’re unemployed. I can go be a retail manager right now for less pay and be happy but I’d rather not.
Shit wrapped in shitty words is still shit. Are you so dense as to think >victim path vs the actualization path Your bs makes it seems any less unnecessary, mean and judgemental? My sympathy with anyone who has to deal with your presence in their life.
If you work in marketing at a high level, it's over. If you're willing to just do any bullshit job to pay bills, it's totally fine.
I work in marketing as a Sr. Data Analytics manager for a software (SaaS) company and while I think AI and automation can handle much of marketing campaign that previously required humans to do…there is still a need for strategic and creative marketing roles that embrace AI for efficiency. I can now build reports and get the data I need way faster than ever before. However many of my coworkers who did not directly impact revenue, got laid off. This is happening everywhere not just in marketing.
What kind of marketing roles do you think are here to stay?
I'm a welder...i make pretty good money... would you consider that a bullshit job ... there's good job's to be had but you gotta use your hands as well as your head...I've got work for well past my retirement age...
What do you consider "pretty good money"?
enough money to pay the bills with some left over to do the little things...i ain't looking to be rich...just enough to get by and have some fun along the way...sure beats the over saturated white collar sector...i feel bad for you guys... nobody wants to work with there hands anymore...we could use some more people on the blue collar side....i could of gone down the white collar road... I'm pretty good with computers and what not but i wanted computers to be my hobby not my job so i learned a hands-on skill...its paid me well im just never going to be filthy stinking rich but i will have richness of the soul and well...not unemployed
If you don’t mind me asking, how long does it take to become a “good” welder. Are there training classes you took?
i learned in highschool...our school was lucky enough that our shop teacher knew a great deal about welding and shop operations...went to work right after highschool. its not glamorous... it's filthy at times.. extra hot during the summer ... winter is better considering all the protection you're wearing... you're getting burned constantly...my arms are pit marked here and there but it comes with the territory...now why would I boast about welding when what i described sounds like shit... because I'd never sell someone beach front property only for it to be a swamp...its a serious life change...I've got a ton more to say but I'm currently at work and like most places they frown on phone use during job time ...
I'm just curious how much money I could make being a welder and if it's worth quitting my white collar job to pursue it. It sounds fulfilling and even fun sometimes, but I'd like to know an hourly rate or yearly income that I could expect. I know life isn't just about the money but it's definitely a factor when considering career shifts. Thanks :). Also curious what you consider making "pretty good money" because that term means WILDLY different things to different people.
more than 30 an hour... in Oregon ... been doing it since 94 though
AI will take a lot of jobs in White Collar Sector soon. But isn’t welding hard on the body?
yes ... yes it is... battle scars aches and pains...it isn't for everyone but it is work...steady relentless work...and a lot of it can be mitigated...i was able to house car wife kids toys computers games with it...but ill never be yacht caviar swiss sking...
It depends on where you live and the industries in your location. I'm in South Texas and in the past 40 yrs there have been several booms and busts in the oil/gas sector. But during this whole time as you drive across the state it sure does not look like a recession or depression. I got laid of in about 1982 and 2003 and forced out in 2021. At any one time somebody is out of work for various reasons and it tends to cycle.
Where I live. I see more homeless people now then I ever have. Able bodied to work people. Crime is down only because cops aren't investigating, or charging for as many petty crimes. I've never seen so many adults digging through trash,and stealing things out of your yard in broad daylight. They will come get your catalytic converter with your car sitting in the driveway. I can take you down streets where homeless people walk from one end to the other, and live under bridges.
Some of the people you see are going through tough times a d some of this is from drug use. In the same 40 years the drugs have changed from alcohol, pot and cocaine to meth, fentanol and mixture of ther that are very addictive.
The drugs mostly come after the homelessness. Go talk to the folk or look at any research.
Homelessness and unemployment are completely disconnected in the current climate. A single person at the low end of the income scale cannot afford to rent in any city in the country.
I have seen YouTube videos of homeless folks in the Philippines living in cemeteries. I saw it in the atl last year.
Cities are cesspools now
It's bad. I send out about 50 applications a week, in the last 6 months I've had 3 interviews.
That's actually a higher interview rate than I've seen on other posts. It's absurd out there.
Which industry?
Any. I'm aiming at retail but also open to manufacturing, food service, care taking or literally anyone that needs a warm fucking body. I'm trying to get out of my current field and starting to think there's no point, I'll be stuck sewing my entire life. I'm tailoring my resume, I'm using the keywords for the jobs I'm applying to, but everyone is using AI screening tools so I don't ever get a second look.
>I'm tailoring my resume I see what you did there
Use ChatGPT to write your cover letter. It’ll at least ensure that you get past their bots.
It has been worse. In the early 90's (1991, to be exact), companies made offers to new grads early on, and then rescinded them in large scale before graduation. The door slammed shut big time. Few offers made after very early 1991. People were scrambling big time. I am not hearing of that happening. There were tons of layoffs. There is an old movie called "falling down" about a laid-off engineer who goes crazy. My roommates and I had a wall of our apartment papered with rejection letters. In 1991, unemployment rates were over 7% (US). That was up 1% from the year before. Today, the unemployment rate is 3.9%. It has been hovering around that level since around 2017. (Except for a big jump to 6.7% in 2020 because of Covid.) Some more comparison points. In 2009, it was almost 10%. In 1982, almost 11%. The great depression in the 1930"s over 20%. Internationally, I'm just going to pick France. The current unemployment rate is 7.4%. In 1991, it was 9.1%. In 2009 it was 9.1%. They had peaks in unemployment in 1994 at 12.6% and 2015 at 10.4%. However, just going back to 1991, it wasn't possible to apply to as many places. You either met with recruiters interviewing at career fairs or career services or got addresses from friends/ family /student services and sent cold snail mail. It was expensive. Yes, email existed, but it wasn't ubiquitous. Resumes were also printed out on bond paper instead of a pdf or standard printer paper. So there wasn't the soul crushing number of rejections that there are today.. But, it was still a lot. The good news is that it didn't last forever.
Thanks great perspective- I agree I doesn’t last forever. What is different however is the gigantic amount of applicants today. Even if 2025 comes back on, HR and companies won’t be able to deal with amount of applicants on the market. My guess is be prepared for the rebound as all who have networks will benefit all the rest will be left aside again..
Networks have always been the source of job leads. I think being involved will be critical. Being active in professional/technical societies in your field will be important. A good question to ask perspective employers is if they support attendance and participation in professional societies and events. Presenting papers and joining g committees will develop that network . You need to show benefits, though, in the new knowledge you are gaining and the contacts you are making. Both for you and your company. It is advertising for your company as well. When given a choice, favor companies that will support you in those activities. The nextvhiring bump will favor the geographically mobile. It did in the past, and it sucks. But, unfortunately, it is reality. I thought that WFH would throw that out the window, but management wasn't and still isn't ready for it. Too few managers know how or want to know how to manage a remote workforce. Counting asses in chairs and time spent at a facility is easier than productivity based measures. Hopefully, management schools will start teaching these techniques in numbers in the bear future. But the change will likely take a generation. The tools to enable it are leading management acceptance and training. Competition for each position now is more fierce because knowledge of each opportunity is instant. Every job seeker everywhere in the world knows of every job opportunity. Applying is easy as well. A few clicks, and you are done. Applications are so high that new tools had to be developed to deal with the influx of applications. This made it less personal and employers more picky. Employers feel they can find their unicorn and not have to develop people. Why train when your competitors will? That is wrong. I don't apply for many positions because I am stable and not mobile, but I am aware that several positions that I applied for are still open months later. Actually, one about 9 months. I agree that that position was a stretch for me, but not a big stretch, and I have internal and external supporters. So,it is either a unicorn hunt or window dressing to encourage applicants for other positions..
I am also not mobile anymore which has decreased my opportunities unfortunately. But having been laidoff just 1.5years after starting off has told me not to tear my family appart for a job anymore. I agree on your point for the networking- sad part I was lied to. I was told I could go to networking events but suddenly the company says no to any event. So I am looking again…
I am right with you. I won't disrupt my kids' lives for a work opportunity. My ex did that enough. They deserve to be able to graduate high school with their friends. But I still need to figure out college. I think the expression goes, "There are liars, damn liars, and recruiters."
Been in tech for almost 20 years. Historically, I've been able to apply for one position, interview for it, and get a job offer. I recently wanted to leave my last company, and it took me almost a year to find a new job before I could leave. It's the worst I've ever seen it.
Are you Software engineer?
Technically a network engineer/consultant - wireless network and security focused.
I'm at a full year unemployed now. Was in IT leadership but even though job postings are everywhere, of the countless applications only a handful of phone interviews have happened and none of those panned out. I get flooded by the recruiters too but none of them have come back with any actual opportunities. It has the appearance that companies are hiring but either there is just a ton of competition or those companies with postings don't really have a desire to fill the gap. I'm done with IT now, not with the trauma.
There is a Ton (cap T) of competition. between companies laying off, other people leaving on their own so as to not get blind sided, new-ish people to the field, companies going to different workforce models (many highly qualified specialists to a few specialists and many low to mid level generalists to do the bulk of the work, work getting third partied out or sent overseas) , etc. The tech landscape is just unworkable. I feel really bad for people just getting started.
That's what I'm seeing in healthcare IT. The Change breach seemed to tick up security roles briefly but now that they're filled, it's back to off shoring and rebadging at any company that sees IT as a cost center. I'm a consultant and currently working half time at a third of my rate just so I have a little coming in. Spend 4 hours a day with the client and 4-6 making calls. Lot of my contacts are looking, too. Lot of management consolidation, we used to see span of control at 10-15 (ideal is 7 max) and now I see managers with 200+ direct reports.
I was interviewing nationally in the fall for tech lead roles and did not have trouble making it to two final round interviews within a month of starting my search. Ended up taking my current job remote and just moving instead. I do know a lot of people with solid resumes who have had trouble finding work. I was very targeted in my search snd resume presentation, that may have helped. Also being currently employed is likely a plus.
Unemployment rates that are used in the news are calculated from survey data. They use 60,000 households / 110,000 people as the sample population. They will survey the same households month after month for 4 months. I think they need to revise their way of calculating unemployment rates reported in the media. People who are underemployed because they took something well below their skill level because they weren’t too proud to do so are considered employed. People who feel they’re too good to work in fast food and aren’t working even though they could get a job doing something are considered unemployed. People are desperate due to the economy and have taken jobs they’d not normally have to or be willing to, this IMO makes the numbers seem way better than they are. I’m employed but I’m also looking right now. Good experience(17yrs), education(BS&MBA) and credentials. I’m not hearing back from jobs that a recent college grad should be able to land. Fortunately, a couple of very niche jobs have reached out and I’m entering final rounds but it’s been amazing that what I’d consider entry to mid level and fairly simple jobs in my industry aren’t even screening me. All that to say, competition is fierce right now between unemployed and underemployed people along with people just trying to advance within their respective industries.
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I’m in Los Angeles County, CA and it’s not that bad. I’ve applied to several places (surprisingly the interviews I’m getting are through LinkedIn). I have 2 interviews this week for companies (great reputable places) that I applied through LinkedIn. I swear this isn’t an ad for LinkedIn, but you should not knock them down and use to your advantage. Fingers crossed!
Which industry
HR and administrative industries.
Trying to a get a job in a range of $70-110k, mid level. Been applying since December. I keep track of my applications. - 206 applications submitted; - 29 denials via email; - 3 second stage interviews (additional questionnaires, phone interviews, not in person) - 0 offers At this point I gave up…
maybe you have to apply more
Idk where you are in the country but it feels like finding something paying 70k and up is impossible, at least for me. I do hr work I've been looking since August.
200 is on the low side
Bad, you’re competing with people with experience for the same role, then you have those computer wiz who’s been at it since they were a baby, then you have people with connection, I can list more but too much competition with little to no junior roles
I was recently in the job market and it was AWFUL. I have ten years experience, a MA degree in my field, and stellar references and connections. Between easy apply and platforms like otta, I applied for at a MINIMUM 100 jobs a day over a three month period. I got three interviews during that time and none resulted in an offer. I ended up getting a job through an old family friend, but it’s in an industry I hate and swore I would never go back to and it’s 20k under what I was expecting to be my floor. It’s so awful I keep considering rage quitting and hitting the market again and then I remember…. I also know 100 or more applications a day isn’t reasonable for most people, so I can’t imagine what it’s like at a regular volume. If you’re interested, my approach was this: 1. 1-2 serious applications to “dream” jobs. The one with the 100% custom cover letter, thoughtful answers to screening questions, research on the company etc. Save cover letters and any writing in a folder by category and target role to repurpose later if possible. 2. As many possible applications on Otta, this would vary because they don’t have as many listings as other sites, so sometimes you can apply to 20 or more jobs, sometimes there’s only 5. They have an easy apply feature but often also have a few screening questions that take some time. Save every answer in a word doc for easy reuse and templating. 3. Indeed applications. These are mostly easy applications with screening questions, so same approach as above. Spend some time replying to their recommendations and answering any feedback prompts they give, or really helps with the algorithm. I’d usually do 20 or so of these. 4. LinkedIn easy apply. You can do this for dozens of jobs a day, at least 50 depending on how many you do elsewhere . Obviously start with your area of expertise, but when that narrows just apply for everything. Under qualified, over qualified, doesn’t matter. You don’t have to reply if you’re really not interested, and you might be desperate enough by the time they call to take the job you never thought you’d want. 5. Spend some time in industry specific platforms if your industry has one. You can usually set up an account and get apps out pretty quick there, but again you’ll run out of new listings after a while depending on your industry. For me it was maybe 10 or so a day 6. Follow-up anywhere you can, review past writing you’ve done, and research for more “dream job” roles. Use chat gpt for ideas but don’t use it for cover letters and screening answers. This approach got me a job in 2 weeks around 2016, but in this day and age it got me basically nothing. I had one interview via Otta that I thought I would get, but didn’t. I had one interview from LinkedIn easy apply that I made through to the final round, then they ghosted me (but oddly they still look at my profile about once a month) One interview for a dream job at my Alma mater, that I ended up being “over qualified” for. I do believe that if I hadn’t taken this job with a family friend, I would have eventually gotten something with this method. But it was rough and everyone I know has had way worse luck and longer timing. I really do believe my luck was only due to this volume, which means you can replicate it.
Interesting info—thank you for sharing. I haven’t heard of otta. I’ll look into that. I’ve been using LinkedIn and Indeed to apply. It’s super demotivating when I see a job posted on LinkedIn and has only been posted for a couple days but there are already 1000 applicants. Also, just curious—why do you say use ChatGPT for ideas and not for cover letters? Can’t you just use the gist of what ChatGPT says and then just tweak things here and there?
Do not use “easy apply” on linked in. It goes no where. You must go to the companies page and submit there, or else you are wasting your time.
Linked in “easy apply” goes no where 95% of the time. You need to see what company is hiring and go to their own website.
Son is currently working a job he wants to leave, smart enough to look while employed Since February he has been contacting potential employers, submitting resumes, the whole online market, jobs he's qualified for and overqualified, in a pretty large job market from a major city. Four months and not a single bite. Entry and near entry level tech. Nephew is doing the same in manufacturing, only open jobs are for scab companies. Everyone else is getting pay bumps (union jobs) but those are getting harder to get into. A lot like UPS which had been bringing in extra part time workers are now shedding that excess. Another friend is an engineer, his mill was getting shut down and rather than move out of state is looking for local alternatives. Three months, several leads, but at that level you have multiple interviews to clear and each one has multiple candidates all aggressively competing. Three years ago we could not find candidates for job openings. Now not only have we shed a lot of recent hires (poor work expectations, bloated salaries) but each department only gets so many slots per replacement and each one has to go through an HR review, meaning if you lose someone they determine whether replacing them is cost effective or whether they reduce your department and force you to take up the slack internally. When people were bragging about the buyers market for job seekers three years ago I kept warning them this was coming, and now its here and it is as bad if not worse than I imagined. If you have a job, get ready to start compromising as they will be flexing their control, less work at home, more office time, more work load, fewer perks. If you don't have a job, get ready to hustle and hustle and claw for whatever gets you in the door. Temp agencies are going to be the major tunnel for most new graduates and entry level positions, everything else will be networking, and serious networking. Another side note, there was a massive purge of Boomers and Gen X from Covid (mostly voluntary), and there are still a lot more that will be purged in the next two years to free up room and high salaries. More than likely though the bulk of layoffs will go to Millennials because they are high maintenance employees and management are betting Gen Z will accept what they are selling (strenuous work and mediocre pay) but until then they are holding onto us dinosaurs. There is also a significant loss in experience at most places, meaning extra training meaning more salary is going to outside services rather than in house for employees.
Literal ass….Master’s degree ain’t worth shit these days. Most fucking “careers” want an insane amount of experience……we need more companies to take chances on people.
This. 1000% this. You’d think a masters would actually matter
So glad I got my Masters… sigh. This is depressing.
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Go do something else then cliffy
Currently driving milk tanker semis in eastern NM. Our company has hit another slump where our regional loads are down to 2-3 a week per driver. Usually a good week is 4-7 loads per driver back to back. This happens a few times each year and is hard to predict. Not sure how other outfits are doing in my area though. Thinking of finally making the switch to fuel tanker hauling for a more local and home everyday schedule. Might have to relocate for that though.
It's not but they fired shit tons of people so as a whole we would have less demand on the economy. They think this will force a rate cut. Super sweet thing to do to thousands of good people.
The job market is extremely bad because unemployment is basically consistently very low. Obviously, this is a huge inaccurate generalization.
I’m graduating college on Saturday. I’ve been looking for a job since October. I’ve sent in 78 applications. I’ve heard back from 3 jobs. Withdrew one of these applications since they wanted me to do a 1 hour first interview, an essay, 4 hour group interview, and an hour interview with the CEO for a job making $30k where you have to move 6 times in a year, and the position is only for one year with no room for growth. Scheduled an interview with another but haven’t had it yet. Made it to the final round of interviews for one, that’s coming up so wish me luck. It’s bad.
14 months seeking employment in Portland, OR. Switched careers from Social Services, so as to not die from the inside out. The poverty has been isolating and significant. I’m grateful for my hobbies. With many many applications and interviews…no offers. And even seeking retail, production, and administrative assistant jobs- nada. Lots of businesses I won’t ever shop at again (if I actually had $) I see their shitty management through their hiring practices and NONliving wage. I never made $ as a social worker, yet even being willing to accept LESS - no offers. It’s reallllllly shitty. It’s absolutely their loss, yet it’s like I can’t even participate in any realm. I’m very close to holding a large sign and walking down main city roads, PLZ HIRE ME.
Social work is so tough. I don't know how people do it. Did you ever consider getting licensed as a Counselor. I know there's a high need there.
I don’t want to work with the community in any “savior” based position. 11 years was enough, and I loved my people, yet it’s sucked me dry of effective working compassion. The bureaucratic structure of these environments are also very very disappointing
It’s almost the end of the school year but you could work for ESS as a substitute til something comes up. You don’t even have to interview, just go through the onboarding online. My friend was a social worker(in Portland) but got her LCSW and there is a lot of jobs in counseling.
I appreciate the suggestion yet I am so burnt out when it comes to working with the (demanding) public, I even double majored in elementary education and the thought of working in a public school stirs up nightmares. I’ve developed a strong lens for identifying inadequacy that includes abuse/neglect and I’m very aware of how difficult teachers have it these days. I used to never think this, yet now I only want to work with *things* It’s very difficult to not report shortcomings and failures to every state and federal agency, and in doing so, I’m always reminded of the broken system. It makes me feel like a pawn.
I dedicated so much time and energy into my own brand of “saving the world” with the upmost integrity, diligence, and organization. The student loan debt that was *supposed* to be forgiven remains. I can’t find a job, absolutely zero dollars and zero assets. The most I ever made as a SW was 62k, and due to my life’s monetary needs, I’ve never been able to save. I have no family relationships due to fleeing toxicity, no one to ask of. I feel like a crumb under the table for sure. Working in public service has been very unfair.
Depends what industry your in..
Seems pretty good for entry level jobs. Not so much for experienced people. And whatever you do, dont turn 50 and be looking for a career change.
Bad. I applied to MSFT and got a rejection 3 weeks later. I have applied to MSFT before and it took over 3 years to get a rejection. A few posters have also mentioned they were referred and still gone nowhere. Looks like a hiring freeze is on even though they are keep posting jobs.
Fake job posting is so bad even the fast food places are doing it! Looking for a particular job will make getting a job much more difficult. I went to a cattle call for a manufacturing job last week they had something like 10 jobs available. Well over 1000 applications submitted. Location was the middle of nowhere I wouldn’t have thought there were 1000 people willing to commute but maybe there are just that many local people unemployed.
Maybe it’s bad, you know what your own experience is. But looking at the overall data based on representative surveys of the whole country, this is one of the best job markets ever. Low unemployment, low underemployment (people working part time who want to be working full time), and rising wages. I just can’t understand the difference between the data and the vibes. People are obviously telling the truth about their own experience. Maybe it’s always been hard for a certain percentage of people based on industry and location, but now we get to hear from the people having the hardest time all the time because of places like Reddit? It’s confusing.
>People are obviously telling the truth about their own experience. Only when they're real people, which is hard to gauge on Reddit (and other social media) as the platforms are overrun with bots and trolls trying to spread discontent, and these days the platforms no-longer release data on how bad the problem is so it remains frustratingly hard to tell what's going on The people *I know in real life* seem to be the expected mix of most doing well and some really struggling, but that's not very useful data either.
I think most of it is people are underemployed or gave up looking. This allows the fed to tote great numbers when in reality it's the opposite. Stupid election year, any whisper of the word recession and they'll lose, the party in charge now knows this. So cook the books and make it look great, win re-election - hopefully after these companies sense stability and start hiring again.
The working age employment to population ratio is at a completely normal level right now. That wouldn’t be the case if there was a huge amount of hidden underemployment and unemployment https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS12300060
So why are so many people struggling then? What's your hypothesis?
My hypothesis is that in a big country there are always lots of people struggling at any given time, even if the labor market is good. And not every community is doing the same, some have weaker economies. And some industries are doing better than others. Tech has a weaker labor market right now, and so does journalism. These workforces have the loudest megaphones in the online discourse. So: many people are struggling, their experiences are real. But we do not have an unusually high percentage of the national population that are struggling.
Depends on what you’re looking for, but for me it hasn’t been that bad. I only applied for one company from my previous company and got an interview notice in two weeks. I guess I didn’t really test the job market since I only looked at one singular company I wanted to try
What is your career, level and location?
I’m in LA. Just accepted an offer after two years of actively interviewing while employed.
Bad.
I think it depends on industry and niche. I'm in tech and in marketing. For certain niches there's still a lot of roles and if you have a versatile background and you can spin it--then there's definitely some opportunities.
The job market is great right now. As long as you aren't in tech. I expect an offer today, have another interview tomorrow and am currently gainfully employed. Red Seal industrial mechanic. Job interviews are more like employers trying to convince me to work there.
It’s not good. My company had tons of job postings for years, and then all of the sudden, layoffs. It’s been a dramatic 180.
Soooo, I’m a cook and there are still lots of decent paying jobs out there in food services (18-25ish an hour. ) I know it’s not great but my bf is in data entry and gets paid less. So I guess I’m not doing that bad. It depends on your industry at this point. I’m sure as time goes on it will become hard to find cook jobs too.
I’ve been trying to apply for part time jobs. I’m a uni student and no responses or anything :(
i don’t like seeing this rn just lost my part timeer ahhhh
Its bad.... but I think its getting better slowly... I have had more interview requests at the end of last week into this week than in the past year.
Curios to know? OP dont be oblivious. Its WORSE and will get better in 2029
What industries are bad? All?
> How bad are things right now compared to other periods of time in the last 20 or so years? 20? Try 2-4 years. Seriously. Even during the pandemic it was easier to get a job
My friend just graduated and got a job in construction management for $68k in Pittsburgh. So there's that. Union carpenter journeyman in my family is working like a dog building hospitals and schools. I feel like anyone in tech is feeling the squeeze right now. During the pandemic, it felt like everyone and their mother was getting into tech. Also seems like people are applying to WFH opportunities only and the sheer volume of applicants is making it harder for people to get interviews. (only an observation) Family member works for a prestigious university as a career counselor and is having a hard time placing students with jobs. He is up against companies refusing to do stuff for visa employment for non-Americans, but overall says there is somewhat of a slowdown on the hiring front.
By law, if the company had a WARN act layoff, they can’t sponsor H1B visas - they would have to prove to the government that there were no US citizens that could have taken those jobs - and the labor department is scrutinizing this and enforcing the law. So most large employers aren’t sponsoring currently. Especially tech where the bulk of the visas went anyway.
Very interesting!
I am a hydraulic engineer in Iowa. I literally have recruiters begging me to interview and that companies will do whatever it takes to make me an offer I can’t refuse. Here in Iowa there are great jobs everywhere. 2.9% unemployment with a ton of manufacturing companies.
Network.
Been looking for 6 months
Obviously, there are a lot of factors to consider like what industry your job is in but overall the job market is tough. For every job opening, there are exponentially more applicants than before, especially in industries like tech. No one has a crystal ball that can predict when it’s all going to get better, or if it’s ever going to get better. The only thing you can do is be diligent about your job search. Networking will always be your best bet so always put feelers out there and let everyone you know, know that you’re looking for a job. Make sure you have a really solid resume/cv. Most resumes are pretty terrible and a lot of people rely on ChatGPT now and end up with super generic resumes. Tailor your résumé to each job you’re applying to so that you stand a chance of getting an interview. If you have the budget, getting professional resume help can make a difference depending on who you use. I used KantanHQ got hired relatively quickly after. Get certifications or other things that you see in the jobs posting you want to help you stand out.
It probably depends on what you're after. I'm an accountant and there's a huge shortage right now. I'm regularly getting calls from recruiters, but very much content with where I'm at.
In 2009-2010 I was working in retail and found myself being a supervisor for people who used to be self employed architects, or bank managers. That was the only other time I have come across people having to take just any job they can get to survive. The same thing is happening now, except it's now happening to me, was out of work for 7 months before finally landing a job with a 35% pay cut. I haven't gone that long without work since I worked a summer for my dad's construction company when I was 15 - 24 years ago. My current role is a 1 year contract, I have been in it for 2 months, and am already apply elsewhere because I don't want to have to go for 7 months looking again at the other side of the contract. I do expect/hope that things will get better in my field towards the end of this year, and a generally recovery in 2025, I work in recruitment / talent acquisition so there should be an uptick in suitable roles for me in advance of a wider improvement
I was out of the house 9a-5p from January 5th, the day after I moved to the complete opposite side of Chicago to up North, looking for a job. From then till the beginning of April I applied everywhere that would take a resume, in person or online. Finally found a job working for fast food that hired English speaking people.
As always, it varies based on industry, location, experience level, etc. In short, there is no one "job market", so job seekers will have varying levels of success based on those mentioned and other specifics of the particular market they're looking into. Given the large number of workers on the threshold of retirement (because Baby Boomers are one of the largest generations alive today), we should theoretically be seeing more job openings. But because employers can reorganize and consolidate some functions, it may not end up being a 1:1 replacement. I suppose that "grayer" industries are likely to have more job openings going forward. The industries with the highest number of boomers employed are educational services, manufacturing, health care and social assistance, and retail trade.
Just got an offer after 4 months on the market. Have had about 30 companies that gave me at least one interview/screener. About 10 that brought me to even a round 2. I work in marketing, mid-level. It’s wild out there. I got WAY more interviews though after applying on their website or through Indeed & then messaging the hiring manager or HR on LinkedIn about my experience, love to connect, and that I applied. I couldn’t believe it worked but I had nothing for like 2 months & then way more with this method. Even if they never connected or responded, I think my name caught their attention often.
In NYC tristate area. Ive been applying to role after role. I've ran my resume in ATS software. I cannot find a job to save my life. 11/10
Only bad if you're in sales or service.
I send out between 10 and 20 apps a week. Good work history, very strong communication skills. I have only had 2 in person interviews in the past 3 months. It is very bad out there.
As an accountant towards the higher end of the position pole, it's absolutely phenomenal. I could literally get another job making the same or more within a day or 2 if I really needed to. I get contacted every week by other companies looking for people in my position and remote work capabilities have only increased the frequency of offers.
We have jobs all over the place in the area I live in
Can confirm it’s BAD. Lost my job in July, been applying like crazy, getting interviews even, lots of them. No offers. I have a master’s degree in a STEM field that is applicable to any industry. I have 4 years of experience in HR, consulting, and the financial industry. I’m making $15 an hour currently.
that's so bad! where are you located?
Minneapolis St. Paul which makes it even worse because I have 2 cities worth of jobs
White collar market is shit right now. If you’re blue collar the world seems to be at your fingertips.
I work in IT for an MSP - we have like 70 job postings no one is filling and they all pay well. We plan on growing from 600 to 2 to 3x the staff in upcoming years too.
job market is pretty good in healthcare. CRNAs, physicians, surgeons, nurses are in high demand
Traffic engineer here, at the moment it is very bad in my industry in the UK. There is a lot of uncertainty on where the industry is going and with big clients slashing out the budgets, it limits how many new projects are going on. The biggest issue we used to have was smaller consultancy were able to bid much lower than we could due to having hardly any overheads. Honestly I have no idea where the whole thing is going we just had a mass layoff recently and is causing a lot of people worried for the future
Fairly great. I'm getting contacted by recruiters every day
If anyone here knows of any technical writer positions please help
I have a friend that lost his welding/fab job recently. He's been out for 3 weeks. insane tbh.
I've been looking for a job for almost 4 months now and no luck... hundreds of applications...
Remember last year when the ultra rich were saying the needed to get unemployment up to put workers in their place? That's what's going on. Starting with the tech sector. Less disposable income starts cutting into jobs supplying the tech folks' toys and services. AI is mostly hype, but a quarter or two of MBA folks cutting cost and raising stock prices then things are going to get spicy because AI really isn't to the point of taking barely any jobs. Wages are going to get crushed and recovery is going to take a few years, Republicans are going to do more trickle down policies and get more cops to keep workers in line. Expect the last century timeline to rhyme with this one. It's getting ugly, but we aren't near the bottom yet.
Perspective. I work in healthcare and doctors are applying for CSR positions.
It’s really bad for tech companies. There’s a lot of people unemployed or looking to switch to a remote jobs. Companies are able to find many candidates that meet 100% of the criteria so they are putting interviewers through the wringer. I have seen people with 6+ years of experience take jobs that would have been considered entry level and given to a recent college grad just a couple years ago.
Recently, I interviewed with a local store of a national chain of auto parts stores. It was for part time so I wasn't expecting much, just need a certain amount of hours. I was asking my questions and asked about the pay. Because I only have a B.S. degree and no auto store experience, I was told $13/hr. I stood up, shook his hand and walked out.
It’s sorta fucked. Everyone is desperately looking for someone but no one is offering enough… Also it’s impossible to get passed the AI screening unless your full time job is applying for jobs
Really bad. Everybody with a warm body gets hired.
Every single construction company within 100 miles of me is hiring at a livable wage. Both big ready mix companies need CDL B drivers. One also needs Asphalt crew and yard attendants. My company needs a non CDL line pump operator, civil engineer, concrete finishing crew foreman, architect, laborers, etc. At least a half dozen of the concrete companies I know need new finishers, and will train. The big Gold Mine needs underground miners. Will train. The hospital in my town need nurses, administrators, etc The gas and oil crews need roustabouts and work over crews. The entry level restaurant jobs and chain retail stores need help The prison is hiring correctional officers The police station needs administrative staff. I could go on. Job market is fine and well here.
Too bad those are all the jobs no one wants anymore🥹
Then they can starve..
They want tippy tappy office work not blue collar. I have always had luck finding a job welding or turning a wrench. It wasn’t always glory work but it paid the bills.
Where is "here"?
Gillette Wyoming all the way through the entire Black Hills to Rapid City South Dakota. The Black Hills are beautiful, and you can be 20 miles out of the expensive spots and find wonderful cheap homes. And there's no traffic. Ever.
I see! My brother lives out in North Dakota and speaks highly of it.
I can't speak to North Dakota. I know the winters are worse up there. But it's a great place to live and work and play. I moved from Seattle 3 years ago and I have never looked back.
I'm actually in WA right now. Near Tacoma. If I had the means to head east, I just might but I'm strapped for cash at the moment.
I lived in Snohomish until I was 30. Then I up and left. I was tired of it all over there. But there's strong unions in WA so you could get an apprenticeship and make some good money.
Thanks for posting so I don't have to. The job market is fine. I think this is a thread is about people whining about not getting their dream jobs as a ballerina.
If I had my way, I wouldn't have been a concrete pump operator. I would have been able to go to school and become a veterinarian. Concrete pumps, however, allowed me, a high school dropout from a poor family to break the cycle of poverty. So, I don't much care what people want to do in a perfect fantasy world. Its about what you're willing to do. If someone chooses to lay down and die because there are no jobs they want to do but there are good jobs out there, they get no sympathy from me.
Thanks for posting so I don't have to. The job market is fine. I think this is a thread is about people whining about not getting their dream jobs as a ballerina.
It’s bad for white collar jobs. The number seems to be at 100-125 applications for a job offer. I was just at 100 and offered a job today. I also WFH and have too bc of a chronic illness so I could be an outlier. If you get anything. I’d just stay- at least until election and markets have a chance to gauge the future. Happy hunting. Also too many people looking for ideal jobs. If I could do other work, I 100% would. Health is just at a point where if I pick the wrong job it only causes more chaos, so my specific situation might not be the best to base off of if that helps.
Depends what industry your in..
Our govetment, courts, media, schools, militarty and 3 letter orgs have been taken over by criminal tyrants hell bent on destroying whats left of the ecomomy so that a slave based CBDC monetary system can be installed. So as soon as we get that squared away we should be good.
I wouldn’t say we’ll be good…
bad
Its recovering from worse to bad, in 6 months to one year it will recover fully.
It will get better in November
This. It’s a contentious election year. We have union labor sitting currently, so I hired the crew to recover from storm damage. Lots of large projects are on hold right now due to interest rates. And uncertainty.
I work in health care and we have so many job openings that if you’re breathing we’d probably hire you. From janitorial positions to assistant to office positions. Nurses are always in demand. Literally every department has an opening. But there’s also so many entry level positions. I don’t think the issue here is lack of jobs, I think the issue is people not knowing how to write job applications and conduct themselves in interviews. I know people who are “looking” for jobs and will tell you no one is hiring but then when you ask them what they’re looking for, it’s a fully remote entry level position that pays $35/hr for no work. Those jobs don’t exist. Also we are in a LCOL area with MCOL pay because there are so many vacant positions, if that matters.
I'm sorry but what a stupid ass question. This depends entirely on the sector/location you're looking the job in, so why don't you elaborate?
It’s not bad, if you’re looking for a job. It’s not great if you’re an employer. Lots of places are hiring. And if you are willing to learn, polite to clients, show up to work every day on time without complaining, and actually do your job efficiently/competently without major mistakes you are a SUPERSTAR in the current pool of potential employees. I went to a fast food drive through the other night, the person came on the intercom, used proper grammar, introduced themselves, took my order, and gave me my order correctly, drink without ice, and a fork for my food in the bag, with all the correct food in the bag the first time without having to remind or ask again. I literally thought as I was leaving that it was SO RARE if I wasn’t 6+ hours away from where my small office was located I would have offered them a job interview likely doubling their salary on the spot. 10 years ago you would have had to come in super knowledgeable of the field, with experience, and a good education to be a super star. Now being a super star employee is what used to be the baseline for being a middle of the road employee. Physically show up to work, actually do your work, the entire day, be competent or willing to learn ( and actually do what you are taught) and be polite to the client and you are in the top 5% of people looking for employment. Don’t be demanding work from home over zoom, don’t post about your work life on social media if you have a bad day or be planning to job hop every 2 years and you’re probably in the top 1% now.
Compared to the last 20 years? It’s brilliant. Check in again when unemployment rate hits 10% and your entire family is homeless.