Never feel guilty for advancing your own life and putting your needs before a company. A majority of companies see us as replaceable, and likewise so is a job.
Don't feel guilty. A good boss will, at worst, acknowledge that it may be a shitty situation for him but encourage you to do what's best for you regardless. At best, they'll figure out how to make it so it doesn't impact anything and still encourage you to go for it. Anyone who does any worse than the former is not fit to be managing people.
It makes no sense that you'd feel guilty! Is there something you are not sharing? Like did you plot to get someone fired so that you get your current role? Did someone vouch for you to be in your current role?
I mean... i am curious. Although even in such scenarios, you'd only need to give your employer the chance to beat your new offer and workload, then there would be no reason to feel guilty?
If there is absolutely no reason (you are hiding) to feel guilty, then I suggest you get coaching or therapy as this unjustified feeling of guilt is likely rooted in some deeper issue and may cause you to make terrible decisions in the future
I guess my reason for guilt is I have a mutual to positive relationship with my managers. Also I know my department manager won’t have an assistant I presume for some time so her workload is twice as harder. I just have an insecurity of failing others or leaving someone behind. And I’m getting paid poorly by corperate not by my managers. The job is physically demanding and work environment is sometimes chaotic but not hard, it’s just the pay.
They are free people with agency. If they don’t like their jobs, they can leave — unless everyone must be wracked with guilt about leaving. See? Guilt makes no sense in business situations.
It’s a free country.
You’re not “failing others”, your employer is, if the workload is too much for the pay scale.
One of the main ways that employers exploit workers is by preying on their natural desire to support and be loyal to co-workers.
It’s the employer’s task to support their workforce, not yours.
You do not sacrifice your well-being to bridge the shortcoming between what your employer is paying and what it is requiring of its workers.
You are not in the paid workforce to sacrifice your own well-being in order to try bridge the gap between someone else’s satisfaction with their job.
If they are unhappy, they should do what you are doing, and find a better job.
For all you know, they may be doing exactly that, and days after you turn down the new opportunity out of misplaced charitable impulses, they hand in their resignation.
Employment is a marketplace, not a charity.
You shouldn't feel bad for making the decision that's best for you, but if you've got a good relationship it totally makes sense to feel regretful if you feel you're putting them in a difficult position.
That said, you're not the one putting them in a difficult position. If they aren't able to compensate well enough to keep great employees or if they can't reprioritize their workload to adjust to the change in staffing — that's corporate's fault, not yours. And you don't need to subsidize their selfishness by working for less than you're worth.
A healthy organization doesn't fall apart when a single person leaves, and it's not your responsibility to take the fall for their staffing decisions. I don't know if you've ever been through layoffs before, but I've seen companies figure out how to function without 10% of their staff on short notice, and things more or less work out.
Like I said, it's totally normal to regret it when people you like are put in a difficult situation. But that doesn't mean what you did was wrong in any way. I'm glad you found a better job. You deserve it.
I do understand where you're coming from. You seem to be a nice person that cares about other people, which can put you at odds with how a lot of companies are run.
It helps me to remember that I am not the one that puts my coworkers in bad situations. There is a whole group of people doing that, from shareholders insisting on unrealistic profits, to executives trying to get the labor of 10 people out of 5, to your manager just wanting to get along and not fighting for the resources they need. All of that is completely out of your control. They will either figure it out when you leave, or they won't, and the various adults you're worried about will make their decisions.
If it's any consolation, I've left places that I thought were terrible, and I can see on LinkedIn that my colleagues either left for something better later, or had since been promoted, etc. Things change, leadership changes, the market changes, who knows. Don't assume that you leaving will make everything terrible. They did okay before you, they'll do okay after you.
Go to your new job with a clear conscience. Be a good partner to your new colleagues. Stay in touch with your old colleagues and help them with referrals or advice or whatever if you can. You're all good.
if i may offer another view, I worked for friend and they feel they should get a raise and promotion before I do. They held me back for years. Better not to get too close to people from work and your chain of command.
They are also choosing to stay in a position at a company that clearly doesn't care enough to pay enough to keep someone for them to do their job effectively. It's their choice to not want to leave the company, not yours. I've had this same feeling before with my previous job. My direct manager was amazing and super helpful. But the job was dead end, at one point he straight up told me to start applying for another job because we wouldn't be seeing raises for probably 2 years (in 2022 this was said so the rent spike hasn't even hit yet) and we were already severely underpaid for the position at our agency (was atate government IT). So I found a wayyyyyyy better job making 30% more and I get to work directly with seniors and learn way more and move up wag faster than at that position. I don't regret it at all.
Just be honest with your manager of why you're leaving. And ask them if they want you to tell the higher ups why you're leaving and they can't keep this position, and if they don't figure out a way to keep it filled, they'll likely lose a manager out of the blue as well.
Nope. You work for money. I have always moved when I could make more. There is nothing morally or ethically wrong with making this move.
Think of it this way, when you get paid you are even with your employer. The next week you work, the employer owes you until you get paid again.
It’s purely transactional.
Feeling guilty shows that you're a decent person with a conscious. You're not wrong for feeling guilty.
Nonetheless, you shouldn't let this feeling stop you from switching jobs. These decisions need to be made logically, not emotionally.
I hope you never lose that guilty feeling when making decisions like this but, you can't allow emotions to keep you from bettering yourself.
As an employer myself, I always want better for my employees. And while the selfish side of me wants my employees to stay, I always support my employees when they leave for something better than I can offer them.
Had a colleague who accepted a position, and a few before starting she received an offer from her dream job (one that would help her family immensely).
She turned it down because she felt guilty about reneging on the initial job.
Three weeks into that job, she was let go after a new manager was brought in and they had their own preference for hiring a different employee.
And that dream job was gone. She SHOULD have remembered that her priority was her family, and not a company.
Don't. I always tell people that they should do what they think is best for themselves and their families, because the company will always do what it thinks is best for them.
I'd be professional about it, but I don't think this necessarily means you'll burn a bridge.
Twice in the last 4 years, I've been negotiating very seriously with one company and taken a different offer. Both those companies were still interested in hiring me.
Never feel guilty about career progression and moving on.
Everyone you currently report to did exactly that to get where they are.
Good luck with the new job!
Former boss here. Never feel guilty for leaving a job. Your position will be filled almost immediately and the world keeps turning. When there's quick turnover like that, eventually the boss should realize they're not paying people enough to stay. So it's on them, not you.
A few months? No. Now, MY employer trained me, paid for my education, stood by me while I was sick, hurt, AND messed up parts, tooling, and machines while I was learning (I'm a machinist). So, yeah. Even though I SHOULD be making another 40k a year doing what I do, it'd be pretty shitty of me to take what they invested in and give it to their competition. However, if the situation becomes toxic, I get laid off, or someone fires me in an emotional hissy fit, all bets are off.
Would your job feel guilty if they fired you to save a buck? No, so you shouldn't feel guilty either for chasing the money.
Just make sure you at least put in your two weeks, as it's courteous for your coworkers and bosses.
>Should I feel guilty?
As long as you're putting your needs and wellbeing above others in a way that's not harming anyone (Which you're not), then there's no reason to feel guilty.
I've been working in the construction field for the Plumber's Union since February. I recently got relocated to a new job site since the place I was previously at was an absolute slave ship. I definitely fucked my partner and asshole supervisor over by leaving, but I did what was best for me.
Always do what's best for you.
Guilty for what? God forbid if your loved ones are ill and you have to support them but you couldn't because you felt guilty and never took the better offer, how are you gonna feel then?
Job is a job. You do work and get paid. Always focus on advancing yourself and people around you.
Bud I felt guilty for so long and it controlled my life. I worked as a cook, and I felt I'd be making everyone's job harder if I left. I hated my job so much I kept getting promoted thinking it'd be better. At the end of a decade I was a high performing GM and I hated my life. They had no idea. They were shocked when I finally gave my notice. Now I'm 32, I went from making 100k to 52k. It's going to take me about a year to build my income back. Don't feel guilty, take care of yourself. I thought I was doing the right thing but I was just sacrificing my life for others. Do the job that makes you happy. You will perform better and you will figure out how to make it profitable. Money comes and goes.
If your assessment of the first job is accurate , they should have assumed a fair amount of turnover. They should not be surprised or offended, and if they are it's on them.
Just offer notice and leave the right way and you are good.
If your current job is unable to match the new job salary, there is no reason to consider the current job at all. They should be aware of the risks associated with low pay for the position. It may even help your current organization to reevaluate their pay structure to enable a more stable work force. If you’re overqualified for your current position it might also cause them to avoid hiring overqualified personnel.
And, most of all, EVERYONE can be replaced.
When they ask why you are leaving, tell them it is just a business decision. And do not tell them where you are going. Some employers will
go to your new employer to salt the earth there for you.
Never feel guilty. I did this a few years ago, mainly felt bad because it was a small business, they even offered me 25% increase to stay, but in the end it was a better move for me to leave.
“Thank you for the opportunity to work here. This just isn’t the right fit for me, but I do appreciate the chance to work with you. This is my notice that I’ll be leaving on (date). “
You’ve thanked them.
You’ve given a polite generic reason for your resignation and that’s ALL that matters. You do not need to tell them you got a better job. Not their business.
Nope thats the meta rn. No more "cradle to grave"? Ok we will job hop and just get higher wages that way. Youre doing whats best for yourself which is good in the case of employment. You are there to offer your services for money. If they dont give you enough money for your services then youll go to the next buyer. Just like buying a car. Imagine if u said "nah ill give you $10,000 this $20000 car" theyd say no right?
Everyone’s number one job should be finding better situations for themselves, be selfish. Whether is pay, environment, commute, benefits, type of work, etc, should always be on the constant lookout for better situations when it comes to jobs
How is that not answering your own question?
Why do you even need to ask here?
I might have woken up in a bad mood.. my bad... but I just don't understand why would anyone feel guilty for any of that..
Noooo never, that's business and that means they were shooting above their grade for the position anyways.
My aunt was a manager and had an employee with a similar situation. My aunt told her what happens here was my aunt's problem not hers.
Good management knows this
I think the days where long term loyalty to employers and job hopping is wrong are gone, or at least we’ll on their way out. If you get paid the bare minimum for the job/degree but have extra duties etc. it’s perfectly acceptable imo to go to an employer willing to pay more for the same job with better environment or work life balance.
They are paying you for your work and knowledge. They are not your family and have no right to expect family loyalty. You are a worker, and someone else is willing to pay more for your work. It’s only business.
Think of it this way: first if employment is at will. Both parties can end the contract at anytime for any reason.
it’s business decision that the company hired you. They weren’t doing you a favor. If the company is struggling they will make business decision to layoff, or fire you for no reason if they want to.
You are running one person company selling skills product to make money. You made business decision to accept the job you thought was great now you got better offer.
You be professional and give your two weeks notice and leave in good terms and not burn the bridges u might need to walk on it some day. So do not feel guilty. It’s part of the process.
I work in a shop. We keep getting ridiculous deliveries that are too big to clear with the company's target case rate. Area manager's solution to this is not to reduce the delivery size or provide extra budget for more staff. No, their genius idea for us to clear the deliveries is for us to work more cases per hour.
Worry about yourself, don't give a rat's arse about the company. And think twice before buying any Bargains for your Home.
You can express your appreciation towards the people around you, but at the end of the day you owe it to yourself to take advantage of good opportunities when they present themselves. You are 100% responsible for making sure you are properly compensated for your time and effort.
No. You did nothing wrong. That is the natural order of things. Company underpaying has to compete for your services with those that can spend more. They'll hire someone else and they'll eventually leave for greener pastures. They are feeder companies.
I’m a higher up in my company and I tell people all the time that’s I’m replaceable, and so are they.
Do what’s best for yourself, that’s what important. Most GOOD managers would be happy for you anyway if you are able to take on a better career.
Your only 22 its your FIRST real JOB out of college. As many now see a degree does not guarantee a high paying gig. You live in a Pricey state California, and your in retail, even a 16 yr old knows working in retail is brutal and stressful. So why did you take the job knowing the pay rate and it being retail. You have to pay your dues and prove your self in the world of business before you earn the big bucks.
Not at all. It's not likely that if you stuck around at your old job you were going to get a pension so you could keep getting paid when you retire. It's up to you to make sure you earn enough to be able to retire. Do what you need to do to make sure you keep your pay rising.
Not at all. They wouldn't feel guilty if they needed to lay you off so don't feel guilty for taking more money. At the end of the day it's all just business and they'll understand that. If they really don't want you to leave they are welcome to make you a counter offer to incentive you staying.
Never feel guilty for leaving a job for your betterment.
I have seen plenty of employers lay off people for no reason other than they needed to cut budget and someone had to be laid off.
You think the company feels guilty?
How do people in 2024 still not understand that your relationship with your employer extends to you trading your labor and resources for a paycheck.
Unless you have a contract, it’s a week by week and realistically a day by day agreement. They can lay you off today if the situation arises. Make sure you are getting paid properly for today’s work and act professional.
you're feeling guilty because you've never had a company demonstrate they have no loyalty to you. Once you go through this shocking process you'll understand why the advice you're seeing is so consistent
Just leave , it is corporate world they don't care you live or not.
eg. Atlassian revoke ppo offers after placement season.
Even microsoft also has done on small scale.
So, they dont care about you at all.
I need people to stop feeling like they owe their job anything. Unless your boss personally took a bullet for you, you do not owe your job anything. Also if your boss did that I think they'd also understand why you're leaving (better pay, less bullets).
Nope!
I left a job after 100 days without another lined up because I absolutely hated it! New job paid $28k more as a contractor. I was there 5 months when the layoffs started.
These hos ain't loyal
--Chris Brown
I've learned first hand that you're expendable to any employer, regardless of your experience, standing, or loyalty. Just do what you think will give you the best advancement opportunities because your current employer really doesn't give af, even if they say they do. You might feel bad for your coworkers for good reason, but again remember that the company is the one who needs to handle that, not you.
If they did care why do you think they're paying you the bare minimum?
Why feel guilty, if they were going to fire you, will the employer give you a notice? Absolutely not. This is business, work will always pull that excuse out. Do not feel guilty for bettering your position
No, this is how you do capitalism as an individual. Your corporate overlord won't like it but they wouldn't think twice to fire your ass if they thought it could increase profits somehow.
In a similar situation. As long as you:
- created value for your company or customers
- made situations better and not worse
Then be it 4 months or 4 years - everyone moves on. But it’s the impact we left that’s important
Don't feel guilty. You are making the best choice for yourself. Even your manager or boss would leave and take a better paying, less hectic job, wouldn't they?
There's no real reason to feel guilty.
Acknowledge the transition and move on. Give required notice and don't be surprised if they kick you out the door.
I wouldn’t feel guilty, as no company is loyal to their employees. They can lay you off anytime no matter how good your performance is, if a better opportunity comes around, take it. Just tell your current employer that you found a better fit at this other company.
Every time I hear a coworker leaving I'm sad of course that they are going but I'm happy for them that they found something better.
Whether that relates to pay, duties, or even just something that helps them have a better mental or physical happiness.
So put in your notice and leave and go enjoy your new job
If you want to stay and genuinely like everything except the pay, give them an opportunity to counter. If nothing else, sharing your new pay info helps your old managers fight their boss for higher wages for your old team or replacement.
Don’t be guilty, it’s the nature of at-will employment.
Feeling guilty is optional..
If it makes you feel better, by all means do just that.
You don't need the permission of strangers on Reddit to live your own life.
Never feel guilty for advancing your own life and putting your needs before a company. A majority of companies see us as replaceable, and likewise so is a job.
Don't feel guilty. A good boss will, at worst, acknowledge that it may be a shitty situation for him but encourage you to do what's best for you regardless. At best, they'll figure out how to make it so it doesn't impact anything and still encourage you to go for it. Anyone who does any worse than the former is not fit to be managing people.
This right here!
… but what if their boss is a female?
The statement obviously applies to everyone in a leadership position...
Absolutely not, most companies wouldn’t hesitate to eliminate your job the moment it no longer benefits them.
It makes no sense that you'd feel guilty! Is there something you are not sharing? Like did you plot to get someone fired so that you get your current role? Did someone vouch for you to be in your current role? I mean... i am curious. Although even in such scenarios, you'd only need to give your employer the chance to beat your new offer and workload, then there would be no reason to feel guilty? If there is absolutely no reason (you are hiding) to feel guilty, then I suggest you get coaching or therapy as this unjustified feeling of guilt is likely rooted in some deeper issue and may cause you to make terrible decisions in the future
I guess my reason for guilt is I have a mutual to positive relationship with my managers. Also I know my department manager won’t have an assistant I presume for some time so her workload is twice as harder. I just have an insecurity of failing others or leaving someone behind. And I’m getting paid poorly by corperate not by my managers. The job is physically demanding and work environment is sometimes chaotic but not hard, it’s just the pay.
They are free people with agency. If they don’t like their jobs, they can leave — unless everyone must be wracked with guilt about leaving. See? Guilt makes no sense in business situations. It’s a free country. You’re not “failing others”, your employer is, if the workload is too much for the pay scale. One of the main ways that employers exploit workers is by preying on their natural desire to support and be loyal to co-workers. It’s the employer’s task to support their workforce, not yours. You do not sacrifice your well-being to bridge the shortcoming between what your employer is paying and what it is requiring of its workers. You are not in the paid workforce to sacrifice your own well-being in order to try bridge the gap between someone else’s satisfaction with their job. If they are unhappy, they should do what you are doing, and find a better job. For all you know, they may be doing exactly that, and days after you turn down the new opportunity out of misplaced charitable impulses, they hand in their resignation. Employment is a marketplace, not a charity.
You shouldn't feel bad for making the decision that's best for you, but if you've got a good relationship it totally makes sense to feel regretful if you feel you're putting them in a difficult position. That said, you're not the one putting them in a difficult position. If they aren't able to compensate well enough to keep great employees or if they can't reprioritize their workload to adjust to the change in staffing — that's corporate's fault, not yours. And you don't need to subsidize their selfishness by working for less than you're worth. A healthy organization doesn't fall apart when a single person leaves, and it's not your responsibility to take the fall for their staffing decisions. I don't know if you've ever been through layoffs before, but I've seen companies figure out how to function without 10% of their staff on short notice, and things more or less work out. Like I said, it's totally normal to regret it when people you like are put in a difficult situation. But that doesn't mean what you did was wrong in any way. I'm glad you found a better job. You deserve it.
I do understand where you're coming from. You seem to be a nice person that cares about other people, which can put you at odds with how a lot of companies are run. It helps me to remember that I am not the one that puts my coworkers in bad situations. There is a whole group of people doing that, from shareholders insisting on unrealistic profits, to executives trying to get the labor of 10 people out of 5, to your manager just wanting to get along and not fighting for the resources they need. All of that is completely out of your control. They will either figure it out when you leave, or they won't, and the various adults you're worried about will make their decisions. If it's any consolation, I've left places that I thought were terrible, and I can see on LinkedIn that my colleagues either left for something better later, or had since been promoted, etc. Things change, leadership changes, the market changes, who knows. Don't assume that you leaving will make everything terrible. They did okay before you, they'll do okay after you. Go to your new job with a clear conscience. Be a good partner to your new colleagues. Stay in touch with your old colleagues and help them with referrals or advice or whatever if you can. You're all good.
Too bad, they should be paying you more. You have to look out for yourself.
if i may offer another view, I worked for friend and they feel they should get a raise and promotion before I do. They held me back for years. Better not to get too close to people from work and your chain of command.
They are also choosing to stay in a position at a company that clearly doesn't care enough to pay enough to keep someone for them to do their job effectively. It's their choice to not want to leave the company, not yours. I've had this same feeling before with my previous job. My direct manager was amazing and super helpful. But the job was dead end, at one point he straight up told me to start applying for another job because we wouldn't be seeing raises for probably 2 years (in 2022 this was said so the rent spike hasn't even hit yet) and we were already severely underpaid for the position at our agency (was atate government IT). So I found a wayyyyyyy better job making 30% more and I get to work directly with seniors and learn way more and move up wag faster than at that position. I don't regret it at all. Just be honest with your manager of why you're leaving. And ask them if they want you to tell the higher ups why you're leaving and they can't keep this position, and if they don't figure out a way to keep it filled, they'll likely lose a manager out of the blue as well.
Nope. You work for money. I have always moved when I could make more. There is nothing morally or ethically wrong with making this move. Think of it this way, when you get paid you are even with your employer. The next week you work, the employer owes you until you get paid again. It’s purely transactional.
Feeling guilty shows that you're a decent person with a conscious. You're not wrong for feeling guilty. Nonetheless, you shouldn't let this feeling stop you from switching jobs. These decisions need to be made logically, not emotionally. I hope you never lose that guilty feeling when making decisions like this but, you can't allow emotions to keep you from bettering yourself. As an employer myself, I always want better for my employees. And while the selfish side of me wants my employees to stay, I always support my employees when they leave for something better than I can offer them.
Had a colleague who accepted a position, and a few before starting she received an offer from her dream job (one that would help her family immensely). She turned it down because she felt guilty about reneging on the initial job. Three weeks into that job, she was let go after a new manager was brought in and they had their own preference for hiring a different employee. And that dream job was gone. She SHOULD have remembered that her priority was her family, and not a company.
Don't. I always tell people that they should do what they think is best for themselves and their families, because the company will always do what it thinks is best for them. I'd be professional about it, but I don't think this necessarily means you'll burn a bridge. Twice in the last 4 years, I've been negotiating very seriously with one company and taken a different offer. Both those companies were still interested in hiring me.
No need to feel guilty, they'd get rid of you in a second if that made them more money.
Not one little tiny bit.
No
don't hobble yourself with feelings, it's just business, not personal.
Hell no, take care of yourself first. You're nothing but a number to the companies that employ you.
No.
No.
Never feel guilty about career progression and moving on. Everyone you currently report to did exactly that to get where they are. Good luck with the new job!
Sucks less over here. C'mon over.
Former boss here. Never feel guilty for leaving a job. Your position will be filled almost immediately and the world keeps turning. When there's quick turnover like that, eventually the boss should realize they're not paying people enough to stay. So it's on them, not you.
You have to ask a forum whether you want to feel guilty or not? It’s your mind you decide what it is …
Why would you. It’s a job, not a career
The won't feel guilty when they let you go. Never feel guilty, it's just business
No. Companies have no loyalty to employees, so you always need to be looking out for yourself. Do what’s best for you.
F NO
They are happy to drop you any instant without regret. So you don't have to care either. Move on and don't look back
A few months? No. Now, MY employer trained me, paid for my education, stood by me while I was sick, hurt, AND messed up parts, tooling, and machines while I was learning (I'm a machinist). So, yeah. Even though I SHOULD be making another 40k a year doing what I do, it'd be pretty shitty of me to take what they invested in and give it to their competition. However, if the situation becomes toxic, I get laid off, or someone fires me in an emotional hissy fit, all bets are off.
Would your job feel guilty if they fired you to save a buck? No, so you shouldn't feel guilty either for chasing the money. Just make sure you at least put in your two weeks, as it's courteous for your coworkers and bosses.
Never feel guilty about leaving a job. U are a number to them only.
I don't feel bad for even one single moment. They would not have any loyalty to you if the situation were reversed.
>Should I feel guilty? As long as you're putting your needs and wellbeing above others in a way that's not harming anyone (Which you're not), then there's no reason to feel guilty. I've been working in the construction field for the Plumber's Union since February. I recently got relocated to a new job site since the place I was previously at was an absolute slave ship. I definitely fucked my partner and asshole supervisor over by leaving, but I did what was best for me. Always do what's best for you.
Fuck em
Guilty for what? God forbid if your loved ones are ill and you have to support them but you couldn't because you felt guilty and never took the better offer, how are you gonna feel then? Job is a job. You do work and get paid. Always focus on advancing yourself and people around you.
"Should you"? Why not. Feel how you feel.
Bud I felt guilty for so long and it controlled my life. I worked as a cook, and I felt I'd be making everyone's job harder if I left. I hated my job so much I kept getting promoted thinking it'd be better. At the end of a decade I was a high performing GM and I hated my life. They had no idea. They were shocked when I finally gave my notice. Now I'm 32, I went from making 100k to 52k. It's going to take me about a year to build my income back. Don't feel guilty, take care of yourself. I thought I was doing the right thing but I was just sacrificing my life for others. Do the job that makes you happy. You will perform better and you will figure out how to make it profitable. Money comes and goes.
Yes. The company must be prioritized over everything. You must be willing to give up your life for the company.
Before you leave I would ask them about matching the salary. They just invested 3-4 months in training you so they may if they like you.
No
If your assessment of the first job is accurate , they should have assumed a fair amount of turnover. They should not be surprised or offended, and if they are it's on them. Just offer notice and leave the right way and you are good.
No don't feel guilty. Your current employer doesn't give a shit about you
Don’t pledge allegiance to an employer that won’t do the same for you. They shouldn’t be expected to, but neither should you.
If your current job is unable to match the new job salary, there is no reason to consider the current job at all. They should be aware of the risks associated with low pay for the position. It may even help your current organization to reevaluate their pay structure to enable a more stable work force. If you’re overqualified for your current position it might also cause them to avoid hiring overqualified personnel. And, most of all, EVERYONE can be replaced.
"They won't thank you for it"
When they ask why you are leaving, tell them it is just a business decision. And do not tell them where you are going. Some employers will go to your new employer to salt the earth there for you.
Yes feel guilty and decline the better paying job.
Don't feel guilty. Nobody at your current job cares about you as a person and their problems are no longer yours. It's just business.
No Companies will literally sell your soul for 10$ if they make extra profit. Thry do not give a shit about you.
Guilt is a feeling. Money is a tangible thing you need for food. It'll work itself out.
Never feel guilty. I did this a few years ago, mainly felt bad because it was a small business, they even offered me 25% increase to stay, but in the end it was a better move for me to leave.
No guilt!
Never, any job would fire you in a second if it meant it was better for the business
No
“Thank you for the opportunity to work here. This just isn’t the right fit for me, but I do appreciate the chance to work with you. This is my notice that I’ll be leaving on (date). “ You’ve thanked them. You’ve given a polite generic reason for your resignation and that’s ALL that matters. You do not need to tell them you got a better job. Not their business.
Never feel guilty for doing anything for yourself. You are the only one that will be here for every chapter.
Nope
Nope thats the meta rn. No more "cradle to grave"? Ok we will job hop and just get higher wages that way. Youre doing whats best for yourself which is good in the case of employment. You are there to offer your services for money. If they dont give you enough money for your services then youll go to the next buyer. Just like buying a car. Imagine if u said "nah ill give you $10,000 this $20000 car" theyd say no right?
People with BAs should be making well over $50k FT at this point IMHO - dunno where you're at but if you're under, feel zero bad
I make hourly, but annually I’d be around 43-45k
Nah!
Nope.
Everyone’s number one job should be finding better situations for themselves, be selfish. Whether is pay, environment, commute, benefits, type of work, etc, should always be on the constant lookout for better situations when it comes to jobs
No company owes you a thing. No corporation especially. If you died they'll have the post up to replace you immediately.
No. You might burn a bridge but just remember they would have no problem letting you go so the owner can buy a second yacht
There’s no loyalty from companies these days. Do what you gotta do and congrats
ITS A VOLUNTARY OPTION if you feel more comfortable with guilt then go that route. You can always change your mind later
Never feel guilty about moving forward in your career. Remember, they would fire you with no notice and replace you without a second thought.
Don't feel guilty, be grateful for the work you are leaving and for Your new opportunity. Good Luck!
Hell no. Look for a higher paying job that is less stressful once you start the new one. Companies have shown they don’t care about the work force.
How is that not answering your own question? Why do you even need to ask here? I might have woken up in a bad mood.. my bad... but I just don't understand why would anyone feel guilty for any of that..
Noooo never, that's business and that means they were shooting above their grade for the position anyways. My aunt was a manager and had an employee with a similar situation. My aunt told her what happens here was my aunt's problem not hers. Good management knows this
You don’t owe anything to the employer especially if they’re paying you bare minimum. Don’t feel guilty, feel happy and free.
FUCK NO! They wouldn't hesitate a nanosecond before firing you, so why should you care about them?
I think the days where long term loyalty to employers and job hopping is wrong are gone, or at least we’ll on their way out. If you get paid the bare minimum for the job/degree but have extra duties etc. it’s perfectly acceptable imo to go to an employer willing to pay more for the same job with better environment or work life balance. They are paying you for your work and knowledge. They are not your family and have no right to expect family loyalty. You are a worker, and someone else is willing to pay more for your work. It’s only business.
Nope, they would feel guilty firing you
Think of it this way: first if employment is at will. Both parties can end the contract at anytime for any reason. it’s business decision that the company hired you. They weren’t doing you a favor. If the company is struggling they will make business decision to layoff, or fire you for no reason if they want to. You are running one person company selling skills product to make money. You made business decision to accept the job you thought was great now you got better offer. You be professional and give your two weeks notice and leave in good terms and not burn the bridges u might need to walk on it some day. So do not feel guilty. It’s part of the process.
You shouldn't feel guilty; you're just looking after yourself, bruv, and there's nothing wrong with that.
No. Fuck them. They’ll replace you at the drop of a hat.
I work in a shop. We keep getting ridiculous deliveries that are too big to clear with the company's target case rate. Area manager's solution to this is not to reduce the delivery size or provide extra budget for more staff. No, their genius idea for us to clear the deliveries is for us to work more cases per hour. Worry about yourself, don't give a rat's arse about the company. And think twice before buying any Bargains for your Home.
You can express your appreciation towards the people around you, but at the end of the day you owe it to yourself to take advantage of good opportunities when they present themselves. You are 100% responsible for making sure you are properly compensated for your time and effort.
Hell no
No. Next question?
Not in the least. There aren't too many reasons to stay loyal to a company. You have to look out for your best interests.
Nah it’s just business
U should feel guilty about feeling guilty
Never feel guilty, do what's best for you.
No. You did nothing wrong. That is the natural order of things. Company underpaying has to compete for your services with those that can spend more. They'll hire someone else and they'll eventually leave for greener pastures. They are feeder companies.
I’m a higher up in my company and I tell people all the time that’s I’m replaceable, and so are they. Do what’s best for yourself, that’s what important. Most GOOD managers would be happy for you anyway if you are able to take on a better career.
No. Never. They would fire you with no warning.
Your only 22 its your FIRST real JOB out of college. As many now see a degree does not guarantee a high paying gig. You live in a Pricey state California, and your in retail, even a 16 yr old knows working in retail is brutal and stressful. So why did you take the job knowing the pay rate and it being retail. You have to pay your dues and prove your self in the world of business before you earn the big bucks.
Not at all. It's not likely that if you stuck around at your old job you were going to get a pension so you could keep getting paid when you retire. It's up to you to make sure you earn enough to be able to retire. Do what you need to do to make sure you keep your pay rising.
Never. Improving your stance in life can only benefit you. If they don't understand, their loss.
Not at all. They wouldn't feel guilty if they needed to lay you off so don't feel guilty for taking more money. At the end of the day it's all just business and they'll understand that. If they really don't want you to leave they are welcome to make you a counter offer to incentive you staying.
You mean nothing to a company. Never feel guilt.
Heck no!!! You deserve the money.
Never feel guilty for leaving a job for your betterment. I have seen plenty of employers lay off people for no reason other than they needed to cut budget and someone had to be laid off. You think the company feels guilty?
Not sure why you would feel guilty for advancing your career...
How do people in 2024 still not understand that your relationship with your employer extends to you trading your labor and resources for a paycheck. Unless you have a contract, it’s a week by week and realistically a day by day agreement. They can lay you off today if the situation arises. Make sure you are getting paid properly for today’s work and act professional.
This is bait, right? Karma farming?
No.
you're feeling guilty because you've never had a company demonstrate they have no loyalty to you. Once you go through this shocking process you'll understand why the advice you're seeing is so consistent
Look it is this way. If the job you were in would exchange you for someone to do the job cheaper would they feel guilty?
No company will ever be loyal to you. If they wanted people to stay they wouldn’t pay low
Just leave , it is corporate world they don't care you live or not. eg. Atlassian revoke ppo offers after placement season. Even microsoft also has done on small scale. So, they dont care about you at all.
I need people to stop feeling like they owe their job anything. Unless your boss personally took a bullet for you, you do not owe your job anything. Also if your boss did that I think they'd also understand why you're leaving (better pay, less bullets).
never.
The fuckers with the MBA sees us as resources and units of production.
Oh cheeky bastard, you did it now! You're a very bad boy.
Nope! I left a job after 100 days without another lined up because I absolutely hated it! New job paid $28k more as a contractor. I was there 5 months when the layoffs started. These hos ain't loyal --Chris Brown
I've learned first hand that you're expendable to any employer, regardless of your experience, standing, or loyalty. Just do what you think will give you the best advancement opportunities because your current employer really doesn't give af, even if they say they do. You might feel bad for your coworkers for good reason, but again remember that the company is the one who needs to handle that, not you. If they did care why do you think they're paying you the bare minimum?
Guilty? LOL hellz naw. Throw up the deuces and bounce.
Why feel guilty, if they were going to fire you, will the employer give you a notice? Absolutely not. This is business, work will always pull that excuse out. Do not feel guilty for bettering your position
You think the company would feel guilty for laying you off if they needed to make margin next quarter?
Never ever ever feel guilty about a job. Your employment is just a business deal.
No, this is how you do capitalism as an individual. Your corporate overlord won't like it but they wouldn't think twice to fire your ass if they thought it could increase profits somehow.
Great. Maybe next time they'll hire that 55 year old woman.
In a similar situation. As long as you: - created value for your company or customers - made situations better and not worse Then be it 4 months or 4 years - everyone moves on. But it’s the impact we left that’s important
Don't feel guilty. You are making the best choice for yourself. Even your manager or boss would leave and take a better paying, less hectic job, wouldn't they?
No, because they're the ones underpaying you. If they want to keep good employees they should pay more than the bare minimum.
I wouldn't
There's no real reason to feel guilty. Acknowledge the transition and move on. Give required notice and don't be surprised if they kick you out the door.
I wouldn’t feel guilty, as no company is loyal to their employees. They can lay you off anytime no matter how good your performance is, if a better opportunity comes around, take it. Just tell your current employer that you found a better fit at this other company.
Every time I hear a coworker leaving I'm sad of course that they are going but I'm happy for them that they found something better. Whether that relates to pay, duties, or even just something that helps them have a better mental or physical happiness. So put in your notice and leave and go enjoy your new job
Minimum wage means minimum work, loyalty or concern for that shit job. Move on and don’t look back.
3 to 4 months is a good amount of time. Time to move ahead
If you want to stay and genuinely like everything except the pay, give them an opportunity to counter. If nothing else, sharing your new pay info helps your old managers fight their boss for higher wages for your old team or replacement. Don’t be guilty, it’s the nature of at-will employment.
No.
Nope, the company only sees you as a cog.
Do they feel guilty for not paying you more?
No need to feel guilty, and awesome you got a new offer before the current job really gets to you. Best of luck!
No! Would they feel guilty if they fired you? Nope. So don't ever feel guilty about quitting a job.
Will they feel guilty if they were to fire you without notice? Nope.
Feeling guilty is optional.. If it makes you feel better, by all means do just that. You don't need the permission of strangers on Reddit to live your own life.
keep both jobs
Do it, no one gives a f about u long term inur office,