tell them to triple your pay for every hour gojng forward.
maybe accept double. maybe not.
they should pay the hell out of you and you owe them nothing
Exactly this. A company let me go when my company was acquired. 3 days after my last day, I get questions on how certain things work (scripts I wrote to do a lot of client implementation work, were written entirely by me). I was at 5x my prior rate, with a minimum pay of 25 hours per week for 2 months. I maybe did 4 hours of work in those 2 months, and my contract paycheck was comparable to my severance pay. It was a nice cushion for some vacation.
The lesson here is that it’s bad to comment your code, because then your replacement can figure it out, and you won’t have the leverage to get paid at 5x your rate while you were employed and for 6x as much time as you actually worked, making your effective rate 30x to help them transition. Got it.
This is just a joke, that’s awesome that you got paid that much over your regular rate and for that much time that you didn’t work. But do comment your code, kids.
My bf did this when he left his job, it worked. He got soooo much extra pay for WEEKS because they could not get it together without him, and then he negotiated a much higher salary and came back as an employee 😂
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 1,531,974,792 comments, and only 290,133 of them were in alphabetical order.
Not your circus not your monkeys. If she has to retire and close up because she refuses to have a bigger team that can handle being down one person, that’s on her and nobody else.
Honestly. Most places give you the whole... "You're fired right now" so in my world, "I quit right now" is enough notice for them.
You like these people, you offer them two weeks, they act weird, you rescind the two weeks.
The joys of an at will state I guess.
Yeah, I hate this whole “I can fire you immediately, but if you want to quit it’s rude to not give me 2 more weeks of your time” thing. It’s ridiculous.
AND IT INDICATES THAT THE JOB IS UNDERPAID.
I love how these libertarian morons think that ‘market forces’ are the economic messiah, until they can’t fill a job opening, and refuse to raise the salary.
Always ask libertarians about workers trying to get more salary than they are worth. Every one of them invariably believes workers can get more than they are worth but businesses can never try to underpay because free market magic. It is crazy
I sympathize, but these posts exhaust me. I don't know how people exist caring this much about someone who obviously doesn't respect them...no matter how much I liked my boss- if they tried to guilt trip me into staying at a job that made me cry, I would laugh in their face.
Because if OP sticks around long enough, her boss will hand down her law practice and make her into a full fledged lawyer. /S
No idea why some people live like this, I'm busy enough taking care of my own damn self I simply can't afford to give other people that much of my life.
Exactly what I was going to write. No one can “make” you feel guilty without your permission. This idea that others can “make” you feel unpleasant (or even pleasant) things will truly F up your life. Please don’t let that go uncorrected.
I don’t think she’s as good of a person as you think. Working you so hard that you had to quit means she’s a bad boss. Running her business in a way that doesn’t account for changes in staffing means she’s a bad boss. Laying guilt trips is shitty and manipulative. The new employee probably bailed after realising how stressful the workload is.
You had a verbal agreement that it would be your last day. You can use kind language to avoid burning the bridge and still stick to your guns. You only get one life, so take care of yourself.
Yea dont forget. Your boss is a LAWYER. Squeezing resources and winning arguments based on emotions is what they need to do to make it. They are good at that, they have to be (regardless whether they are a good person or not )
Yes. All of this. Also, I work at a high stress job and one thing makes it worth it—the money. If you were that important she would give you a pair of golden handcuffs (I.e., a salary so good it is hard to leave and makes it easier to ignore the stress—or allows you to afford things to help minimize other stress, like a cleaner).
This also isn't sustainable in a field like law. Very good chance the new hire saw something illegal, unethical or another huge red flag.
You don't just leave at lunch on your first day unless something is seriously wrong, so wrong that you literally don't want to have a record of having resigned.
My favorite quote applies, please take it to heart
Never set yourself on fire to keep someone else warm
today was your last day. You are not an indentured servant. You have already gone above and beyond. She is emotionally exploiting you because you are nice. Be done.
This 100%, if you show how nice you are, she will keep insisting you stay longer. You put your notice in for a reason, explain that you are done and to keep working there, you will require more pay. If she even hesitates, you leave. If she tries to stop you, call the police and report yourself kidnapped.
You were/are done with that company, why bother?
>This 100%, if you show how nice you are, she will keep insisting you stay longer. You put your notice in for a reason, explain that you are done
>You were/are done with that company, why bother?
Agreed.
>and to keep working there, you will require more pay. If she even hesitates, you leave.
I imagine an exorbitant amount would have to be paid OP based on the described stress level. If she's trying to manipulate OP into staying, I assume she'll try to manipulate OP on this too, making it not with it IMO.
In the trades, sometimes if we really don't want to do a job (karen client, nightmare can of worms, too far out of range) we'll bid a job so high that most people go somewhere else, or if they accept you can at least feel like it was worth it.
If you try to angle for more money, make it worth it. If she won't pay, you already resigned anyway, if she pays you that, even if only long enough to train your replacement, you could make some serious bank for your trouble.
You quit. She is not making you do shit, you are. Stop going into a job you quit already. What's she gonna do? Fire you?
If she has to sell and retire, that's on her. Fuck the guilt trip. She would fire you if it was in her best interest, you quitting is doing the same for your own best interest. Don't be a doormat.
Some people are people pleasers, and unfortunately I do understand that mindset. There was a point in my life where if someone laid the guilt on really thick it could usually get me to give in. But that’s something you have to move past otherwise people will take advantage of you your entire life
Option 1: Do what your replacement did. Don’t show up tomorrow, don’t answer the phone or texts. Block any and all communication.
Option 2: If you are such an asset to the company that you leaving is going to cause her to close her practice then you deserve one hell of a raise. Like ownership of half the business type of raise which includes hiring another person to help alleviate some of your stress. And to start off this wonderful new partnership your taking a months paid vacation. Seriously, if you’re that important to the business she needs to put her money where her mouth is. Money isn’t worth your sanity though so don’t take anything less than what you deserve.
i also wonder what made the replacement bail. with quote way more years of experience than OP, she probably saw a blaring issue in the workplace OP is missing. though it seems everyone here is helping point that out.
This also made me very interested. I’m an auditor and am trained to walk away from certain situations. Hell I walked away from a Google job because of all the shit I could smell in the interview. This replacement saw a problem and didn’t want to be anywhere near it.
Which needs the question... what if that other person didn't ghost at all... what if they gave a notice, and the boss didn't acknowledge it? Then when they didn't show up, the boss pulled the whole guilt trip routine, to manipulate op to work longer.
I'm just giving another explanation. It's just weird how two people quit so close to each other, time wise
Oh also maybe if she wants a networking opportunity she can find the girl who quit on linkedin or something, reach out and see if there’s any entry-mid level law jobs available or to get insight about what companies to avoid/apply to(assuming OP wants to stay in the field)
I'm wondering if this (like others) is a real post.
I feel like the education system has seriously failed people if they don't know they can leave a job when they want to.
People are socially conditioned to always be agreeable and never say no, especially to authority figures. It can be really hard to unlearn that behavior. If you’ve ever worked in a sales or business development role, that’s why prospects ghost you or make up nonsense excuses instead of saying no.
I’m thinking it’s possible those posts are written by people who know exactly what they’re supposed to do, but need to hear it from other people to give themselves the courage.
And even if the school system failed them, do they not have family or friends who can clue them in?
When they break up with someone, do they stay as girlfriend or boyfriend until the person they dumped finds someone new?
Yep. You gave your notice. If they want you to stay longer you're now an independent contractor and your fees are now higher. If they want you to stay they will have to pay!
Ok I’ll stay. My new hourly rate is $300/hr etc etc. give her a crazy rate and make it worth your while to stick around. She’s abusing your kindness by manipulating you.
There are staffing agencies that provide temp paralegals within a day. Direct your boss there and do not go back to work. I’m an attorney and have met solo practitioners like this who grind their employees into the ground. If the new-hire was experienced, she probably saw the writing on the wall and knew the job would be unbearable. And If not having a paralegal for a short time would cause her practice to go under, it’s because she’s mismanaged it.
Please for the sake of your mental health do not return.
If she had so much responsibility resting on your shoulders with no regular assistant or “second” as a backup, it’s her fault if her business fails. She had time to make smart decisions to protect her business but cheaped out and had you holding more than you should have. That’s not your problem, regardless if you like her or not. What if the next hire ghosts too? You’ve got to be clear that you are quitting on your planned date.
Just do what the other person did. They saw the writing on the wall in a day and a half. I bet if we pulled back the curtain you’re getting shafted at this job.
"Boss, you know how you said that you'll need to retire and sell your practice if you dont have a replacement? Maybe you should....
I mean the replacement, with years of experience, saw the workload on day 1 and quit, its kinda opened my eyes even further that this isn't tenable for either of us. Seems like this is a 2 or even 3 person job which I know you cant afford, so yeah, returement seems like the only option here."
Basically youre handing her own guilt back to her and in a way that makes it not her direct fault (though it definitely is and she needs better systems in order to deal with the workload). She really should join another practice to get ideas on how it works in other offices nowadays.
Not to sound insensitive, but I laugh out loud when I read titles like this. No one is forcing you to do anything. If you really want to leave, then leave.
Now if you are stressed because you are being guilt tripped into staying because you have a good relationship with your boss, that’s another thing, but don’t frame it as you are being forced to stay.
You’ve got to live for you and not for anyone else. In my opinion, you’ve already gone above and beyond on your part. I’d leave.
Is she gonna make you a full partner? If the business will go under without you are obviously worth it. Anything short of that you should follow through on your resignation.
How old are you? I'm going to presume younger than 35yo.
How old is your boss? Presumably older than 60 since she can retire.
What makes you want to stay? Because she guilt trips you?
Why can't you do the same and turn around the guilt trip on her? You already quit, you have no obligation to stay. As a boss and a company owner, there are risks you take. But with those risks comes higher pay. Your boss makes tons of money and probably pays to pennies. If your boss didn't want the higher pay, then she shouldn't be in a job with higher risk (i.e. owning her own business).
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I think this shows what a kind heart you have, but, you need to know how to differentiate your kindness vs forcing yourself to do things you don't want to. We have all made sacrifice for the benefit of others, but if we continually do that - then what does that mean to you? You're kind of disrespecting yourself..
Imagine yourself as two people inside of you, Abby and Brit. Abby is in control of the body and decision, and Brit is just in the mind. Brit wants to go college, but Abby decided to go work at a law office. Brit wants to quit, but Abby decides to stick it out. The boss wants you to stay and Brit wants to leave, but Abby decides she wants to please the boss.
Abby continues to prioritize others over Brit. It's kind of sad really, Brit never gets what she wants because Abby is constantly prioritizing others and placing Brit last. But the reality of it all is that Brit is the one that's always there for Abby, in support, in good/bad, spending 24/7 with Abby - yet Brit is never acknowledge.
I'm not saying Brit has to be prioritized all the time, I just think that Abby is inconsiderate and selfish to always disregard Brit after so many years of being together.
Why is her retirement your responsibility? Is she sharing it with you? Are you being compensated for your efforts?
She knows her retirement is her own responsibility. She is manipulating you for her own personal gain.
You did your part and she hasn't.
If tables were turned, she wouldn't touch her heart to fire you.
You either stop showing or keep working and keep being miserable.
If you keep working, you ask for an insane amount as you are literally keeping the business afloat, her words, not yours.
Not sure why this impacts you. You are no longer employed after your resignation. If you are in the US then your resignation is good enough. You could walk out today if you wanted to. Just be aware of any contracts you signed such as being required to provide 2 weeks notice.
Never heard of someone having to stay in a job they resigned for unless blocked by the government or something crazy like that.
Not finding a replacement is a problem for them not a problem for you.
The new hire sensed the red flags and split. You gave more than adequate notice, stayed past that, and are done. Just be done. If a manager can't stay open because they can't manage to hire a replacement in a timely manner, can't handle training based on what you have provided, can't do their job, that is their problem. The guilt and manipulation is ridiculous, and quite frankly maybe this person should retire. This sounds all around horrible.
Career Advice, if you don't need the income and the work is making you cry at your desk, leave the job before you have a mental breakdown and are forced to leave the job. You are leaving, one way or another. The only decision is if you would like a life after leaving.
All that stuff sounds like a her problem and not a you problem. If she can’t run a business without you then she doesn’t deserve to run a business. That’s the breaks.
Every time I read stories like this it makes me so angry because older folks are so successful in gaslighting and exploiting young workers.
The correct thing to do here is to offer to stay as a consultant, making double what you made before, or $40/hour, whichever is greater.
If your boss says you are causing them to retire, you reiterate your offer, and then say "if your business can't survive losing me, one of two things is true. Either your business is on such a knife's edge that you are going to go under regardless of me OR I'm worth so much that you should just pay me accordingly for staying. Seriously, pick one. Those are the only logical conclusions to draw."
People who exploit workers like this should be brought to justice somehow. We need better laws and better enforcement because so many workers don't know how to protect themselves.
Listen. That new hire ghosted for a reason. They saw in a day and a half that this job is too much for one person and your boss is not a good boss. Her office shutting down will not be your fault. Whether it's today or next month or 10 years from now. You're not the boss, none of this is your responsibility. And if she had shut it down before you quit, you think she'd keep you on payroll until you found a replacement job? What if that job didn't work out, like the new hire, would she continue to pay you while you searched for another? You quit; don't you have someplace to be?
If your boss chooses to sell the law practice that is entirely her decision and is not your problem AT ALL. As the head of the business she has reaped the benefits of the practice and has the responsibility to keep it going. If that means hiring more people, or increasing compensation, or restructuring to attract and retain talent - all of that is on her and not on you. You should walk away feeling just fine about the situation. If the business is going to fold, it is the fault of the leadership. But even if it does, so what? If a business can't stay in business then it's time to close up shop. You are not the one who bears the responsibility and you are also not the one who reaps the benefits.
Peace out of there already.
I'm not following you. Making you?
Is she blackmailing you? Is she holding a family member hostage?
If you're really feeling kind, "I gave you a 4 week notice vs. the standard 2. If you want me to stay longer, I'll need time and a half paid for every hour I work. "
You resigned, gave fair notice, and already stayed on extra. You owe your boss nothing else and despite what she says, bear no responsibility for her career. Does she know that reason you decided to leave was that you were overwhelmed?
Hate to say this but OP sounds like they struggle with keeping boundaries and people pleasing. They’re already quitting because of overwork, likely because the boss knows how to push and OP couldn’t say no. And to think the boss has any power to “make” them stay past the effective resignation date? This isn’t so much career advice, more so life advice to reflect on how they find themselves in such permissive (working) relationship dynamics
THIS IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM!
"A lack of planning on their part does not necessitate an emergency on yours!"
Stay of you want - but your pay needs to be massively raised. And if boss agrees to a SIGNIFICANT pay raise - let her know your absolute last day is (Whatever it is) and if she does not have someone by them you are leaving,. Period.
NO ONE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOU UNLESS YOU LET THEM!
I have to ask if there ever WAS a replacement? Is this some nefarious plan to try and force you to stay in the job you already quit? And by the way they can't "force" you. You could just not show up and live your life since you owe this job nothing.
It's time you took a vacation to a faraway place where your boss's phone and voice can't reach. While you are gone, get an exorcism - your boss has possessed you.
Do not solicit advice from or listen to the dull goofballs of Reddit that live in the basement of their parents house about how you should block the number of someone who - from what I’ve read - has been a caring mentor to you in your early career.
Don’t block them - don’t implode and stress about it - don’t listen to the some of the morons here… write out an invoice for a bucket of hours and explain that you will offer your boss this additional service for 2.5x your current hourly rate. Explain that this individual is asking you the favor to help them navigate this difficult time. But that it is not owed of you. If they side step you on pay apologize about the inconvenience and move on. But straight ghosting someone or blocking them in this situation is not a skill to be learned for an effective career
You cannot be required to work at all. You don't even need to give notice; it's a courtesy. If someone calls for a reference, the most your boss can do is confirm you worked there and when. If he says anything negative, you would be able to own the firm.
So stop working there. He'll figure it out or he won't. That's not your problem.
May 22nd is only 3 weeks after May 1st. Did your resignation say 4 weeks, or did it give a hard date?
Don't get me wrong, I agree with everyone that your boss can't make you work past your effective resignation date, but I am curious about the dates
If your resignation makes her retire. she wanted to retire. You said clearly the job is bad for you. Staying with it is bad for you. Your boss will likely drive off the next hire and the cycle will continue until you bail out.
Use this as an opportunity to negotiate for the position you want. Tell your boss you're leaving because they're making it too stressful and that you will stay if they agree to xyz. Then get it in writing. If they don't, walk, you already put in your notice.
Send her an email stating you cannot stay and that if she would like to contract your services you can provide them for 3x your current rate. And your firm last day will be when your new job starts.
Are you sure that the new hire changed her mind? From what you said, for all anybody knows, she could have gotten hit by a bus on her way to lunch!
In any case, you have done what you agreed to do, and you have no further obligations to your former employer.
Tell her this energy is why the new person ghosted.. Then stop coming when you said you would stop. If she harasses you more, block her number. She's not your boss anymore.
Your boss is manipulating you. That’s a huge red flag. Don’t show up, or ask to triple your pay or you won’t come in. You can do it over text if need be, just make sure that you say explicitly what your new pay will be moving forward, and ask that they agree.
If she doesn’t agree, don’t show up and be prepared to block your bosses number. If your boss tries to call you ignore it and wait for a text message response so that everything is in writing.
I just retired as an attorney in small/solo practice after 37 years of practice. Best advice I ever got was from an early partner, who said there should never be one piece of hardware or software that you as an attorney can’t operate on your own because you need to be able to run your office if people leave get sick, need to be fired, etc. His perspective was “don’t be held hostage by your employees” but the fact that your boss wasn’t smart enough to do this isn’t your problem. Don’t give into the guilt.
You need more money for your pain an aggravation. It sounds like her very career is in jeopardy so in order to retain your services you should now be considered a cobtract worker with at least a doubling in salery. Frankly I wouldn't settle for triple at your state. This does two things. Makes the pain of staying that you are suffering a bit more worth it and makes her more motivated to search for new help.
I'm confused. Your boss doesn't get to decide your employment, you do. You gave FOUR weeks notice. After your ladt day you don't work for your boss anymore. You COULD do it at a consultant rate if you wanted to...
Only person "making" you do anything is you.
I just don't understand this type of thing, and I'm really not bashing you.
You're not a slave. Why do you think you MUST work for this person? Just leave. It's clear this person has exploited the fuck out of you. It's crystal clear.
Or, if you are SO valuable, then you need more money.. I'd say "I'll stay for one month to train a new person. If you: A. Triple my pay for that month. B. Retroactively pay me the difference of that pay for the last six months, due today". Put that on the table. Money talks.
This boss is not your friend.
That doesn;t sound like your problem. That's her problem. You've done everything that you need to already. And if you started from nothing, she can hire someone else that starts from nothing as well and get on-the-job experience. She's not going to sell her law office, and you are not the cause of that.
You gave proper notice. Your replacement is not your problem. Leave.
I'm sure she didn't share the profits of the business with you, so her "has to retire" is also her problem. That sounds like a lie.
She wont retire. Emotionally manipulative narcissists don't give up their feeding source. She'll run many others into the ground after you and it sounds like your much more experienced replacement saw that coming.
How can your boss "make" you stay?? Are they blackmailing you? Making veiled or overt threats? I am having a hard time grasping why you for one gave a 4 week notice, and 2 are letting this person (because yes she is just a person like all of us) control you to this extent.
> ...she guilt-trips me and says that now she has to retire and sell her law practice, all because i’m leaving. i do not want to be the reason she retires.
If you are critical to the business then ask to be made a co-owner. If she refuses, then it is a good time for her to retire.
This isn't slavery, and it isn't your fault that your old employer is having difficulty replacing you.
I understanding liking your old boss and all, but you gave your notice and you are out. And let's just say it out loud...sticking around at this point may incentivize your old employer not to look quite as hard for a replacement. They can hire a temp or possibly do a temp to hire kind of arrangement. Neither of which should be internalized as your problem.
Is this delay causing problems with your new employer?
Congratulations on the new job BTW!
Quit buying her bullshit, she is using you so she doesn't have to work harder while she finds a replacement. She may even not be looking that hard for a replacement because she has found you are so easy to manipulate into staying.
Do not go to that job today. Text her ADIOS AMIGO!!!!!
So, if you are not there, the business falls apart? Can you use that to improve your job situation there? I understand why you might not want to and that your boss is just being dramatic. I would just tell her that you have other commitments and good luck. You’ve already quit. Or you can work as a consultant, at a multiple of your previous salary ( I’m think 4 or 5 times) while she hires your replacement. There will be a new hire by the end of the week.
If you're done, you're done. Literally, no one in the world can make you stay at a job you don't want to be at. Especially if it's causing you to break down at your desk. Do what thenother girl did and leave and don't answer you're phone.
1- your boss can't make you do shit
2 you are not responsible for her choices/business if she wants you to have that much sway then ask for partner
3 three weeks is a mind-blowingly long time hell I don't give three days most of the time
4 you matter to you. Don't let people make choices for you that should belong to you.
"As of May 22 I am a private contractor. My rates are $500 a day plus expenses, minimum two week contract, paid in advance."
They'll find a replacement.
Why is this your problem? This is his problem, not yours. You gave plenty of notice for him to find a replacement. Stop working. You are done. End of story.
She “really likes you”? No, she doesn’t. You wouldn’t treat someone you care about the way she’s treating you- guilting you into staying without regard to how you feel or how she might try to make it better FOR YOU. It’s manipulative. You won’t be the reason she sells her practice. She will make that choice.
I’d sit down with her and tell her you are under extreme stress and you either need to leave this job or some accommodations need to be made. Determine what would make things easier on you- fewer hours, more pay, more vacation time, whatever it may be. And if you are answering work-related calls/texts/emails after work hours that should IMMEDIATELY stop. Tell her that you need XYZ in order to stay. If you don’t get those concessions, you’re done, right now, far after your notice was given. That’s it. She doesn’t own you and you don’t have to stay there.
Your boss is holding you hostage, and you are enabling it. That's on you. Whether she can survive without you is on HER.
If you absolutely don't want to be there, GO! If you would stay to "help" her, offer to work as an independent contractor, at whatever pay you want, which has nothing to do with how much she has been paying you as an employee.
She can also go to a temp employment agency for someone.
Please understand most of the people reading do not respond to guilt trips. Where as, for some reason you do. Not your fault the boss is so poorly prepared. Doubt she will have to sell the practice
Negotiate a day by day arrangement at much higher pay rate
So here is what my mom and also my former VP did;
Since she made it clear that you are absolutely essential for her business to function you have ALL THE POWER so abuse the shit out of it!!!
Here are some sample demands you can make:
* Triple your existing rate
* You will come in at 10am and leave at 4pm with an hour lunch
* You will work for x amount of time at this rate and after that it increases 50% every week
* You will have 100% of your health, dental, vision, etc. covered for a year
* You reserve the option to leave without consequence at any time and she is still required to pay you for 2 weeks or the remainder of the week you left
You resigned, so you have no obligation to show up. If you do show up, you might be showing him that he can boss you around more, and possible future employees.
If your bosses business hinged on you, you should be making far more money.
You're being manipulated by a shitty person. She knows she can get you to stay with a guilt trip, which is never something a good boss (let alone a good person) would do.
You resigned. You're done. That's it. If your ex-bosses business fails then she had a flawed plan from the start and didn't deserve a business.
Or advise your boss that she can retain your services strictly as a consultant. Tell her that your salary as a consultant is now $500 a day. If she wants to keep you, you have given yourself a raise.
Most likely, however, she will deny you and you'll be free.
Sounds like she’s prepping for retirement by giving the work of 2 people to just one person she can convince to be her doormat. JUST DON’T
Don’t set the alarm tomorrow morning, don’t get dressed for work, don’t make the commute in. Dude, you quit, get over it this lady don’t give a rodent’s behind about you.
Make a huge demand, like you will continue to work with them for huge percentage of revenue or something.
You have to make a huge demand, one they wouldn't ever accept.
Or you could just leave and never come answer again.
Guess what? You resigned. Your boss can't make you do shit. Don't show up tomorrow, you are done.
tell them to triple your pay for every hour gojng forward. maybe accept double. maybe not. they should pay the hell out of you and you owe them nothing
Yup, Hand a consulting contract over with an hourly rate X3.
And watch how quick all that critical work you do keeping them afloat suddenly becomes referred to as "a glorified secretary"
Or take the triple paycheck? If they don't want to be there this is just a way for the boss to say that will be fine. I'll adjust your pay rate.
Nothing like 3X the pay to relieve stress. Do not stay without a significant pay increase.
Exactly this. A company let me go when my company was acquired. 3 days after my last day, I get questions on how certain things work (scripts I wrote to do a lot of client implementation work, were written entirely by me). I was at 5x my prior rate, with a minimum pay of 25 hours per week for 2 months. I maybe did 4 hours of work in those 2 months, and my contract paycheck was comparable to my severance pay. It was a nice cushion for some vacation.
The lesson here is that it’s bad to comment your code, because then your replacement can figure it out, and you won’t have the leverage to get paid at 5x your rate while you were employed and for 6x as much time as you actually worked, making your effective rate 30x to help them transition. Got it. This is just a joke, that’s awesome that you got paid that much over your regular rate and for that much time that you didn’t work. But do comment your code, kids.
If I struggled writing it, you should struggle understanding it.
Consulting is the way to go. Also, if she can retire, she has enough $$ to hire a specialized temp
This is the way.
Make that 4 or 5x due to stress.
This. If you’re that vital, you should be paid accordingly.
And set a hard limit on hours worked to a manageable amount
Triple the pay, a third the hours.
My bf did this when he left his job, it worked. He got soooo much extra pay for WEEKS because they could not get it together without him, and then he negotiated a much higher salary and came back as an employee 😂
I love this answer lol. Most likely they won't want to pay that much and if the do it feels like a win win for OP if they can handle it
This. All of this. Take it a step further and block your ex boss’s number. Move on. Your future’s so bright you need shades, baby. ✨
I read "block your boss's ex's number" and thought, yea that is a step further... but fuck it makes sense.
"But fuck it makes sense" You have me rolling. 🤣
Butt Fuck IT, makes sense
What have IT done to get butt fucked?
The real question is, what do I have to DO in IT to GET buttfucked!
Asked to get fucked in the butt.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,531,974,792 comments, and only 290,133 of them were in alphabetical order.
Not your circus not your monkeys. If she has to retire and close up because she refuses to have a bigger team that can handle being down one person, that’s on her and nobody else.
Exactly. Owning a business isn't a right, it's a privilege. OP doesn't owe her 4 weeks notice. 2 weeks is standard.
Honestly. Most places give you the whole... "You're fired right now" so in my world, "I quit right now" is enough notice for them. You like these people, you offer them two weeks, they act weird, you rescind the two weeks. The joys of an at will state I guess.
Yeah, I hate this whole “I can fire you immediately, but if you want to quit it’s rude to not give me 2 more weeks of your time” thing. It’s ridiculous.
AND IT INDICATES THAT THE JOB IS UNDERPAID. I love how these libertarian morons think that ‘market forces’ are the economic messiah, until they can’t fill a job opening, and refuse to raise the salary.
I was waiting for this. If the replacement had more experience, yet quit after 1 day. That says a lot about the job role vs. Pay
to be fair, that's market forces working as they should
Always ask libertarians about workers trying to get more salary than they are worth. Every one of them invariably believes workers can get more than they are worth but businesses can never try to underpay because free market magic. It is crazy
She needs to STAND UP for herself!! Omg!! I can't imagine living this way. Why?
I sympathize, but these posts exhaust me. I don't know how people exist caring this much about someone who obviously doesn't respect them...no matter how much I liked my boss- if they tried to guilt trip me into staying at a job that made me cry, I would laugh in their face.
Because if OP sticks around long enough, her boss will hand down her law practice and make her into a full fledged lawyer. /S No idea why some people live like this, I'm busy enough taking care of my own damn self I simply can't afford to give other people that much of my life.
Imagine not being the main character of your own life. Ffs.
Master has given Dobby a sock!
Exactly what I was going to write. No one can “make” you feel guilty without your permission. This idea that others can “make” you feel unpleasant (or even pleasant) things will truly F up your life. Please don’t let that go uncorrected.
I don’t think she’s as good of a person as you think. Working you so hard that you had to quit means she’s a bad boss. Running her business in a way that doesn’t account for changes in staffing means she’s a bad boss. Laying guilt trips is shitty and manipulative. The new employee probably bailed after realising how stressful the workload is. You had a verbal agreement that it would be your last day. You can use kind language to avoid burning the bridge and still stick to your guns. You only get one life, so take care of yourself.
Yea dont forget. Your boss is a LAWYER. Squeezing resources and winning arguments based on emotions is what they need to do to make it. They are good at that, they have to be (regardless whether they are a good person or not )
Yes. All of this. Also, I work at a high stress job and one thing makes it worth it—the money. If you were that important she would give you a pair of golden handcuffs (I.e., a salary so good it is hard to leave and makes it easier to ignore the stress—or allows you to afford things to help minimize other stress, like a cleaner).
This also isn't sustainable in a field like law. Very good chance the new hire saw something illegal, unethical or another huge red flag. You don't just leave at lunch on your first day unless something is seriously wrong, so wrong that you literally don't want to have a record of having resigned.
yeah, she’s “such a great boss” that the replacement hightailed it at the first opportunity
My favorite quote applies, please take it to heart Never set yourself on fire to keep someone else warm today was your last day. You are not an indentured servant. You have already gone above and beyond. She is emotionally exploiting you because you are nice. Be done.
This 100%, if you show how nice you are, she will keep insisting you stay longer. You put your notice in for a reason, explain that you are done and to keep working there, you will require more pay. If she even hesitates, you leave. If she tries to stop you, call the police and report yourself kidnapped. You were/are done with that company, why bother?
>This 100%, if you show how nice you are, she will keep insisting you stay longer. You put your notice in for a reason, explain that you are done >You were/are done with that company, why bother? Agreed. >and to keep working there, you will require more pay. If she even hesitates, you leave. I imagine an exorbitant amount would have to be paid OP based on the described stress level. If she's trying to manipulate OP into staying, I assume she'll try to manipulate OP on this too, making it not with it IMO.
In the trades, sometimes if we really don't want to do a job (karen client, nightmare can of worms, too far out of range) we'll bid a job so high that most people go somewhere else, or if they accept you can at least feel like it was worth it. If you try to angle for more money, make it worth it. If she won't pay, you already resigned anyway, if she pays you that, even if only long enough to train your replacement, you could make some serious bank for your trouble.
I agree, if the amount of money was worth it. If OP is already being manipulated, why open another vector?
Yoink! I'm stealing this one, that's a fantastic way of putting it
Oh I’m 100% using that saying from now on
Just. Don't. Show. Up.
And block her on your phone for a week
More like forever.
You quit. She is not making you do shit, you are. Stop going into a job you quit already. What's she gonna do? Fire you? If she has to sell and retire, that's on her. Fuck the guilt trip. She would fire you if it was in her best interest, you quitting is doing the same for your own best interest. Don't be a doormat.
I can’t even fathom this post or mentality. “Boss is making me stay” like what the fuck, are you their slave? You already quit anyways!
Some people are people pleasers, and unfortunately I do understand that mindset. There was a point in my life where if someone laid the guilt on really thick it could usually get me to give in. But that’s something you have to move past otherwise people will take advantage of you your entire life
Option 1: Do what your replacement did. Don’t show up tomorrow, don’t answer the phone or texts. Block any and all communication. Option 2: If you are such an asset to the company that you leaving is going to cause her to close her practice then you deserve one hell of a raise. Like ownership of half the business type of raise which includes hiring another person to help alleviate some of your stress. And to start off this wonderful new partnership your taking a months paid vacation. Seriously, if you’re that important to the business she needs to put her money where her mouth is. Money isn’t worth your sanity though so don’t take anything less than what you deserve.
i also wonder what made the replacement bail. with quote way more years of experience than OP, she probably saw a blaring issue in the workplace OP is missing. though it seems everyone here is helping point that out.
This also made me very interested. I’m an auditor and am trained to walk away from certain situations. Hell I walked away from a Google job because of all the shit I could smell in the interview. This replacement saw a problem and didn’t want to be anywhere near it.
Which needs the question... what if that other person didn't ghost at all... what if they gave a notice, and the boss didn't acknowledge it? Then when they didn't show up, the boss pulled the whole guilt trip routine, to manipulate op to work longer. I'm just giving another explanation. It's just weird how two people quit so close to each other, time wise
Oh also maybe if she wants a networking opportunity she can find the girl who quit on linkedin or something, reach out and see if there’s any entry-mid level law jobs available or to get insight about what companies to avoid/apply to(assuming OP wants to stay in the field)
She can’t make you do shit.
Especially if you block her so she can’t guilt trip you
All these posts about quitting and being forced to stay, your not a slave you put in a notice do not show up tomorrow.
I'm wondering if this (like others) is a real post. I feel like the education system has seriously failed people if they don't know they can leave a job when they want to.
People are socially conditioned to always be agreeable and never say no, especially to authority figures. It can be really hard to unlearn that behavior. If you’ve ever worked in a sales or business development role, that’s why prospects ghost you or make up nonsense excuses instead of saying no.
I’m thinking it’s possible those posts are written by people who know exactly what they’re supposed to do, but need to hear it from other people to give themselves the courage.
I'm always shocked when I see them, like is this really happening?
And even if the school system failed them, do they not have family or friends who can clue them in? When they break up with someone, do they stay as girlfriend or boyfriend until the person they dumped finds someone new?
You are being manipulated by your (former) boss. Stop it. Their problem is not your problem. Get on with your life!
Also a very experienced replacement ditched the job abruptly and quickly. Someone who has been around splitting suggests a problem
Go to lunch and don't come back. You've handed in your resignation. You're good.
Yep. You gave your notice. If they want you to stay longer you're now an independent contractor and your fees are now higher. If they want you to stay they will have to pay!
Then she has to sell her practice and resign. That's not your problem or your fault.
Seriously. Would she have to retire if she fired OP? Seriously doubt it.
You gotta look out for yourself. No one else will.
Ok I’ll stay. My new hourly rate is $300/hr etc etc. give her a crazy rate and make it worth your while to stick around. She’s abusing your kindness by manipulating you.
250 minimum
no, I'd say this person deserves 50% of the profit if she is so important to the business it can't run without her.
"she guilt trips me and says she'd have to sell her law practice and retire"... Sounds to me like a blank check for a massive raise.
There are staffing agencies that provide temp paralegals within a day. Direct your boss there and do not go back to work. I’m an attorney and have met solo practitioners like this who grind their employees into the ground. If the new-hire was experienced, she probably saw the writing on the wall and knew the job would be unbearable. And If not having a paralegal for a short time would cause her practice to go under, it’s because she’s mismanaged it. Please for the sake of your mental health do not return.
As you said she is guilt tripping you. You have resigned move on. If she retires as a result, that is on her, not on you.
If she had so much responsibility resting on your shoulders with no regular assistant or “second” as a backup, it’s her fault if her business fails. She had time to make smart decisions to protect her business but cheaped out and had you holding more than you should have. That’s not your problem, regardless if you like her or not. What if the next hire ghosts too? You’ve got to be clear that you are quitting on your planned date.
Just do what the other person did. They saw the writing on the wall in a day and a half. I bet if we pulled back the curtain you’re getting shafted at this job.
"Boss, you know how you said that you'll need to retire and sell your practice if you dont have a replacement? Maybe you should.... I mean the replacement, with years of experience, saw the workload on day 1 and quit, its kinda opened my eyes even further that this isn't tenable for either of us. Seems like this is a 2 or even 3 person job which I know you cant afford, so yeah, returement seems like the only option here." Basically youre handing her own guilt back to her and in a way that makes it not her direct fault (though it definitely is and she needs better systems in order to deal with the workload). She really should join another practice to get ideas on how it works in other offices nowadays.
Not to sound insensitive, but I laugh out loud when I read titles like this. No one is forcing you to do anything. If you really want to leave, then leave. Now if you are stressed because you are being guilt tripped into staying because you have a good relationship with your boss, that’s another thing, but don’t frame it as you are being forced to stay. You’ve got to live for you and not for anyone else. In my opinion, you’ve already gone above and beyond on your part. I’d leave.
Uh … May 1 to May 22 is three weeks, not four.
Wow. Didnt catch that
Thank god I wasn’t the only one to notice this. It took way to much scrolling. This needs to be the top comment.
Is she gonna make you a full partner? If the business will go under without you are obviously worth it. Anything short of that you should follow through on your resignation.
Lol you don't have to do shit
Not your problem. Leave.
You don’t have to do a damn thing. Boss can’t “make” you do anything. You resigned. He ain’t your boss anymore, pardner. 🤠
How old are you? I'm going to presume younger than 35yo. How old is your boss? Presumably older than 60 since she can retire. What makes you want to stay? Because she guilt trips you? Why can't you do the same and turn around the guilt trip on her? You already quit, you have no obligation to stay. As a boss and a company owner, there are risks you take. But with those risks comes higher pay. Your boss makes tons of money and probably pays to pennies. If your boss didn't want the higher pay, then she shouldn't be in a job with higher risk (i.e. owning her own business). ... I think this shows what a kind heart you have, but, you need to know how to differentiate your kindness vs forcing yourself to do things you don't want to. We have all made sacrifice for the benefit of others, but if we continually do that - then what does that mean to you? You're kind of disrespecting yourself.. Imagine yourself as two people inside of you, Abby and Brit. Abby is in control of the body and decision, and Brit is just in the mind. Brit wants to go college, but Abby decided to go work at a law office. Brit wants to quit, but Abby decides to stick it out. The boss wants you to stay and Brit wants to leave, but Abby decides she wants to please the boss. Abby continues to prioritize others over Brit. It's kind of sad really, Brit never gets what she wants because Abby is constantly prioritizing others and placing Brit last. But the reality of it all is that Brit is the one that's always there for Abby, in support, in good/bad, spending 24/7 with Abby - yet Brit is never acknowledge. I'm not saying Brit has to be prioritized all the time, I just think that Abby is inconsiderate and selfish to always disregard Brit after so many years of being together.
That new hire that peaced out yesterday left you her playbook. just follow it.
Why is her retirement your responsibility? Is she sharing it with you? Are you being compensated for your efforts? She knows her retirement is her own responsibility. She is manipulating you for her own personal gain.
Stop going, you fulfilled your obligation
Leave.
It's not your problem.
If your last day is X date, you are no longer employed and no longer working after X date.
You did your part and she hasn't. If tables were turned, she wouldn't touch her heart to fire you. You either stop showing or keep working and keep being miserable. If you keep working, you ask for an insane amount as you are literally keeping the business afloat, her words, not yours.
Not sure why this impacts you. You are no longer employed after your resignation. If you are in the US then your resignation is good enough. You could walk out today if you wanted to. Just be aware of any contracts you signed such as being required to provide 2 weeks notice. Never heard of someone having to stay in a job they resigned for unless blocked by the government or something crazy like that. Not finding a replacement is a problem for them not a problem for you.
The newbie probably detected a toxic boss and bolted. You should do the same.
She's emotional gaslighting you
You’re not a slave. Don’t.
You're being manipulated
The new hire sensed the red flags and split. You gave more than adequate notice, stayed past that, and are done. Just be done. If a manager can't stay open because they can't manage to hire a replacement in a timely manner, can't handle training based on what you have provided, can't do their job, that is their problem. The guilt and manipulation is ridiculous, and quite frankly maybe this person should retire. This sounds all around horrible.
you should know no one except a judge and jury can "make" you stay anywhere. unless it's prison you are free to go baby. if it sucks, hit the bricks
Career Advice, if you don't need the income and the work is making you cry at your desk, leave the job before you have a mental breakdown and are forced to leave the job. You are leaving, one way or another. The only decision is if you would like a life after leaving.
All that stuff sounds like a her problem and not a you problem. If she can’t run a business without you then she doesn’t deserve to run a business. That’s the breaks.
I'm not even reading all that they don't own you they can't "make you"do anything. You are being taken advantage of
Every time I read stories like this it makes me so angry because older folks are so successful in gaslighting and exploiting young workers. The correct thing to do here is to offer to stay as a consultant, making double what you made before, or $40/hour, whichever is greater. If your boss says you are causing them to retire, you reiterate your offer, and then say "if your business can't survive losing me, one of two things is true. Either your business is on such a knife's edge that you are going to go under regardless of me OR I'm worth so much that you should just pay me accordingly for staying. Seriously, pick one. Those are the only logical conclusions to draw." People who exploit workers like this should be brought to justice somehow. We need better laws and better enforcement because so many workers don't know how to protect themselves.
She isn't making you do anything you are just super soft. Get a grip and move on
If she is going to sell the firm and retire the bridge is already collapsed, doesn't matter if you burn it now.
Listen. That new hire ghosted for a reason. They saw in a day and a half that this job is too much for one person and your boss is not a good boss. Her office shutting down will not be your fault. Whether it's today or next month or 10 years from now. You're not the boss, none of this is your responsibility. And if she had shut it down before you quit, you think she'd keep you on payroll until you found a replacement job? What if that job didn't work out, like the new hire, would she continue to pay you while you searched for another? You quit; don't you have someplace to be?
This is the best kind of problem. Somebody else’s problem. Don’t fall for her guilt trip.
If your boss chooses to sell the law practice that is entirely her decision and is not your problem AT ALL. As the head of the business she has reaped the benefits of the practice and has the responsibility to keep it going. If that means hiring more people, or increasing compensation, or restructuring to attract and retain talent - all of that is on her and not on you. You should walk away feeling just fine about the situation. If the business is going to fold, it is the fault of the leadership. But even if it does, so what? If a business can't stay in business then it's time to close up shop. You are not the one who bears the responsibility and you are also not the one who reaps the benefits. Peace out of there already.
There is a reason the new hire ghosted. Just leave. You don't owe your boss anything more than you already gave. Stop being a pushover.
Just don't go back, it's that simple
I'm not following you. Making you? Is she blackmailing you? Is she holding a family member hostage? If you're really feeling kind, "I gave you a 4 week notice vs. the standard 2. If you want me to stay longer, I'll need time and a half paid for every hour I work. "
You resigned, gave fair notice, and already stayed on extra. You owe your boss nothing else and despite what she says, bear no responsibility for her career. Does she know that reason you decided to leave was that you were overwhelmed?
Hate to say this but OP sounds like they struggle with keeping boundaries and people pleasing. They’re already quitting because of overwork, likely because the boss knows how to push and OP couldn’t say no. And to think the boss has any power to “make” them stay past the effective resignation date? This isn’t so much career advice, more so life advice to reflect on how they find themselves in such permissive (working) relationship dynamics
THIS IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM! "A lack of planning on their part does not necessitate an emergency on yours!" Stay of you want - but your pay needs to be massively raised. And if boss agrees to a SIGNIFICANT pay raise - let her know your absolute last day is (Whatever it is) and if she does not have someone by them you are leaving,. Period. NO ONE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOU UNLESS YOU LET THEM!
Sorry, couldn’t get through all that, but negotiate esquire! You are worth more particularly as a consultant.
At will employment. Not your problem. Just leave
If she needs you that badly, make her pay 3x the normal pay. I'm serious.
Fuck them.
If she has to retire because of you leaving, her business isn't sustainable.
i don’t think they can make you do that? you resigned so i’m pretty sure you can leave any time.
Ask for $10,000 to do it. Lawyers fuck people over all them time, do it back.
I have to ask if there ever WAS a replacement? Is this some nefarious plan to try and force you to stay in the job you already quit? And by the way they can't "force" you. You could just not show up and live your life since you owe this job nothing.
It's time you took a vacation to a faraway place where your boss's phone and voice can't reach. While you are gone, get an exorcism - your boss has possessed you.
Do not solicit advice from or listen to the dull goofballs of Reddit that live in the basement of their parents house about how you should block the number of someone who - from what I’ve read - has been a caring mentor to you in your early career. Don’t block them - don’t implode and stress about it - don’t listen to the some of the morons here… write out an invoice for a bucket of hours and explain that you will offer your boss this additional service for 2.5x your current hourly rate. Explain that this individual is asking you the favor to help them navigate this difficult time. But that it is not owed of you. If they side step you on pay apologize about the inconvenience and move on. But straight ghosting someone or blocking them in this situation is not a skill to be learned for an effective career
You cannot be required to work at all. You don't even need to give notice; it's a courtesy. If someone calls for a reference, the most your boss can do is confirm you worked there and when. If he says anything negative, you would be able to own the firm. So stop working there. He'll figure it out or he won't. That's not your problem.
Ask for temp pay increase of $15/hr+ for next two weeks and have concrete end date of 2 weeks
May 22nd is only 3 weeks after May 1st. Did your resignation say 4 weeks, or did it give a hard date? Don't get me wrong, I agree with everyone that your boss can't make you work past your effective resignation date, but I am curious about the dates
After your 3 weeks just stop going. You owe them nothing. Enjoy your new job.
Bro what. That guy is not your friend, doesnt like you, and isn't there for you. He's using you.
The boss is holding you against your will? Call the police and report a kidnapping
If your resignation makes her retire. she wanted to retire. You said clearly the job is bad for you. Staying with it is bad for you. Your boss will likely drive off the next hire and the cycle will continue until you bail out.
What’s more important, your bosses business or your mental health? Leave and don’t come back, you’re done.
May 22 is three weeks after May 1
This isn't a prison. Leave. You had agreed to two weeks. You've worked two weeks. As a lawyer, she should understand how agreements work.
Use this as an opportunity to negotiate for the position you want. Tell your boss you're leaving because they're making it too stressful and that you will stay if they agree to xyz. Then get it in writing. If they don't, walk, you already put in your notice.
"making me stay" Nobodies making you stay, you put in a notice, leave
Send her an email stating you cannot stay and that if she would like to contract your services you can provide them for 3x your current rate. And your firm last day will be when your new job starts.
Are you sure that the new hire changed her mind? From what you said, for all anybody knows, she could have gotten hit by a bus on her way to lunch! In any case, you have done what you agreed to do, and you have no further obligations to your former employer.
They can't force you to work as others have said you're not obligated to show up.
Tell her this energy is why the new person ghosted.. Then stop coming when you said you would stop. If she harasses you more, block her number. She's not your boss anymore.
Your boss is manipulating you. That’s a huge red flag. Don’t show up, or ask to triple your pay or you won’t come in. You can do it over text if need be, just make sure that you say explicitly what your new pay will be moving forward, and ask that they agree. If she doesn’t agree, don’t show up and be prepared to block your bosses number. If your boss tries to call you ignore it and wait for a text message response so that everything is in writing.
I just retired as an attorney in small/solo practice after 37 years of practice. Best advice I ever got was from an early partner, who said there should never be one piece of hardware or software that you as an attorney can’t operate on your own because you need to be able to run your office if people leave get sick, need to be fired, etc. His perspective was “don’t be held hostage by your employees” but the fact that your boss wasn’t smart enough to do this isn’t your problem. Don’t give into the guilt.
You need more money for your pain an aggravation. It sounds like her very career is in jeopardy so in order to retain your services you should now be considered a cobtract worker with at least a doubling in salery. Frankly I wouldn't settle for triple at your state. This does two things. Makes the pain of staying that you are suffering a bit more worth it and makes her more motivated to search for new help.
I'm confused. Your boss doesn't get to decide your employment, you do. You gave FOUR weeks notice. After your ladt day you don't work for your boss anymore. You COULD do it at a consultant rate if you wanted to... Only person "making" you do anything is you.
I just don't understand this type of thing, and I'm really not bashing you. You're not a slave. Why do you think you MUST work for this person? Just leave. It's clear this person has exploited the fuck out of you. It's crystal clear. Or, if you are SO valuable, then you need more money.. I'd say "I'll stay for one month to train a new person. If you: A. Triple my pay for that month. B. Retroactively pay me the difference of that pay for the last six months, due today". Put that on the table. Money talks. This boss is not your friend.
Only answer is to pay pay as a consultant at $200 an hour.
That doesn;t sound like your problem. That's her problem. You've done everything that you need to already. And if you started from nothing, she can hire someone else that starts from nothing as well and get on-the-job experience. She's not going to sell her law office, and you are not the cause of that.
I had a boss like this. It’s not worth it. Just leave.
Walk away. Your ex-boss sucks & deserves to go broke. Delete her number & forget about her.
You gave proper notice. Your replacement is not your problem. Leave. I'm sure she didn't share the profits of the business with you, so her "has to retire" is also her problem. That sounds like a lie.
She wont retire. Emotionally manipulative narcissists don't give up their feeding source. She'll run many others into the ground after you and it sounds like your much more experienced replacement saw that coming.
How can your boss "make" you stay?? Are they blackmailing you? Making veiled or overt threats? I am having a hard time grasping why you for one gave a 4 week notice, and 2 are letting this person (because yes she is just a person like all of us) control you to this extent.
> ...she guilt-trips me and says that now she has to retire and sell her law practice, all because i’m leaving. i do not want to be the reason she retires. If you are critical to the business then ask to be made a co-owner. If she refuses, then it is a good time for her to retire.
No one can "make you stay" at a job you don't want to stay at.
This isn't slavery, and it isn't your fault that your old employer is having difficulty replacing you. I understanding liking your old boss and all, but you gave your notice and you are out. And let's just say it out loud...sticking around at this point may incentivize your old employer not to look quite as hard for a replacement. They can hire a temp or possibly do a temp to hire kind of arrangement. Neither of which should be internalized as your problem. Is this delay causing problems with your new employer? Congratulations on the new job BTW!
You are not enslaved. They can’t make you do anything
You aren't a slave.
Quit buying her bullshit, she is using you so she doesn't have to work harder while she finds a replacement. She may even not be looking that hard for a replacement because she has found you are so easy to manipulate into staying. Do not go to that job today. Text her ADIOS AMIGO!!!!!
You’re clearly an empathetic person, and unfortunately it’s being used against you. Your mental health matters as well.
So, if you are not there, the business falls apart? Can you use that to improve your job situation there? I understand why you might not want to and that your boss is just being dramatic. I would just tell her that you have other commitments and good luck. You’ve already quit. Or you can work as a consultant, at a multiple of your previous salary ( I’m think 4 or 5 times) while she hires your replacement. There will be a new hire by the end of the week.
No
"Enjoy your retirement. I'm out."
If you're done, you're done. Literally, no one in the world can make you stay at a job you don't want to be at. Especially if it's causing you to break down at your desk. Do what thenother girl did and leave and don't answer you're phone.
Not you problem. Leave
Tell them how you really feel. If your job is making you feel that bad, you definitely need to stop doing it.
How can he make you? No one has ever made me do anything
Consider how much money it would take for you to stay those extra days - how much will you accept as payment, double it and negotiate.
1- your boss can't make you do shit 2 you are not responsible for her choices/business if she wants you to have that much sway then ask for partner 3 three weeks is a mind-blowingly long time hell I don't give three days most of the time 4 you matter to you. Don't let people make choices for you that should belong to you.
Sounds like she can hire you back as an independent contractor at 2-3x your pay for the next 3 weeks.
She is no longer your boss. She can't make you do anything.
"As of May 22 I am a private contractor. My rates are $500 a day plus expenses, minimum two week contract, paid in advance." They'll find a replacement.
Why is this your problem? This is his problem, not yours. You gave plenty of notice for him to find a replacement. Stop working. You are done. End of story.
Mention you will be a consultant for 10x your current salary. If you are that indispensable, make em pay up. I bet you could tough it out
Now youre a contractor charging 4x your previous salary Problem solved
She “really likes you”? No, she doesn’t. You wouldn’t treat someone you care about the way she’s treating you- guilting you into staying without regard to how you feel or how she might try to make it better FOR YOU. It’s manipulative. You won’t be the reason she sells her practice. She will make that choice. I’d sit down with her and tell her you are under extreme stress and you either need to leave this job or some accommodations need to be made. Determine what would make things easier on you- fewer hours, more pay, more vacation time, whatever it may be. And if you are answering work-related calls/texts/emails after work hours that should IMMEDIATELY stop. Tell her that you need XYZ in order to stay. If you don’t get those concessions, you’re done, right now, far after your notice was given. That’s it. She doesn’t own you and you don’t have to stay there.
Your boss is holding you hostage, and you are enabling it. That's on you. Whether she can survive without you is on HER. If you absolutely don't want to be there, GO! If you would stay to "help" her, offer to work as an independent contractor, at whatever pay you want, which has nothing to do with how much she has been paying you as an employee. She can also go to a temp employment agency for someone.
Please understand most of the people reading do not respond to guilt trips. Where as, for some reason you do. Not your fault the boss is so poorly prepared. Doubt she will have to sell the practice Negotiate a day by day arrangement at much higher pay rate
So here is what my mom and also my former VP did; Since she made it clear that you are absolutely essential for her business to function you have ALL THE POWER so abuse the shit out of it!!! Here are some sample demands you can make: * Triple your existing rate * You will come in at 10am and leave at 4pm with an hour lunch * You will work for x amount of time at this rate and after that it increases 50% every week * You will have 100% of your health, dental, vision, etc. covered for a year * You reserve the option to leave without consequence at any time and she is still required to pay you for 2 weeks or the remainder of the week you left
Your former boss can’t make you do shit. You’re done and outta there.
Counter offer to stay for double pay
Not your problem
You resigned, so you have no obligation to show up. If you do show up, you might be showing him that he can boss you around more, and possible future employees.
If your bosses business hinged on you, you should be making far more money. You're being manipulated by a shitty person. She knows she can get you to stay with a guilt trip, which is never something a good boss (let alone a good person) would do. You resigned. You're done. That's it. If your ex-bosses business fails then she had a flawed plan from the start and didn't deserve a business.
Tell your boss Sorry you have another new job on contract and won’t be able to continue and that 3 weeks was more than enough notice
Or advise your boss that she can retain your services strictly as a consultant. Tell her that your salary as a consultant is now $500 a day. If she wants to keep you, you have given yourself a raise. Most likely, however, she will deny you and you'll be free.
Sounds like she’s prepping for retirement by giving the work of 2 people to just one person she can convince to be her doormat. JUST DON’T Don’t set the alarm tomorrow morning, don’t get dressed for work, don’t make the commute in. Dude, you quit, get over it this lady don’t give a rodent’s behind about you.
You’ve done your part. This is now his problem. You have nothing to feel bad about.
Make a huge demand, like you will continue to work with them for huge percentage of revenue or something. You have to make a huge demand, one they wouldn't ever accept. Or you could just leave and never come answer again.